27/02/2017 Crimewatch


27/02/2017

Jeremy Vine and Tina Daheley return with a special episode of Crimewatch dedicated to tackling child sex abuse.


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This programme contains scenes which some viewers

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Tonight Crimewatch is back with a special programme devoted to

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hundreds of thousands of child sexual abuse cases that continue to

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shock the nation. It's not just yesterday, it's today, it never

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leaves you. Exclusive access to the detectives tracking abusers down we

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will see justice served at first hand. It doesn't matter how long ago

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these offences were committed, they can go to the police and it will be

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investigated. Will hear from the survivors at the heart of it. It

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might have been 40 years to get there but we got him in the end. And

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will be live the specialist confidential call centre where

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survivors can call in and tell their stories. It is time to fight back.

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Live for the next hour, this is Catching The Abusers, a Crimewatch

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special. Good evening and welcome to a new

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series of Crimewatch. Tonight we have a special episode dedicated to

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tackling child sex abuse. You can't have missed recent revelations about

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abuse in football. Of course the problem goes much further than

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sport. And although many of the crimes we are looking at tonight

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happened decades ago, we believe there are people at home watching

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right now who have never spoken out about their experiences. Yes,

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tonight we are coming to you live from Shropshire. We have brought our

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mobile incident unit to this national centre of sporting

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excellence where today's leading sportsmen and sportswomen train to

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be the champions of tomorrow. It has been the home of sports the decades,

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the 1966 World Cup winning England squad trained here and many of our

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Olympic and Paralympic athletes have honed their skills using these

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world-class facilities. Today in places like this and in

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organisations across the UK the attitudes and safeguards around

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protecting children are very different from when much of the

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abuse to place. There's also more co-operation with the charities who

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as well as organising and advising on how to keep children safe also

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offer a point of contact for people who have been abused. Tonight we are

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working closely with the NSPCC who put in place a specialist call

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centre operation in Salford. John Kay is there. John? Yes, as well as

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detectives standing by for your calls on the normal Crimewatch

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number tonight there's another number you can ring if you've been

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affected by these issues or if you are a survivor of child sex abuse.

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If that is you, there are 35 specially trained counsellors from

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the NSPCC in this room, waiting for your call this evening. They will

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listen to you in complete confidence, they can offer you

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support, guidance, advice, they can talk to you about how you might want

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to pass on your case to the police for further investigation. The

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number is on your screen now. 0808 800 5000. From 24 hours a day, seven

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days a week it is open, free to call from landlines and mobiles right

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across the UK. Thank you. Also tonight a round-up of other

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important appeals and the latest wanted faces and some shocking CCTV,

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including these masked women robbing a pensioner for his sandwiches. And

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this idiotic firestarter torched and industrial place. So what is the

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scale of child abuse we're talking about tonight? Operation Hydrant,

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the national operation coordinating on recent child abuse investigations

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across the UK has provided Crimewatch with the latest figures.

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They show that since the high-profile football abuse story

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broke in November a total of 1016 case referrals have been received by

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the team. So far 184 potential suspects have been identified and

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248 football clubs affected, meaning there are now 21 police forces

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across the UK actively investigating allegations of abuse in football. Of

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course we are not just talking about football. Currently schools,

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children's homes, religious institutions, sports venues, medical

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establishments and scud type groups or account for hundreds more

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allegations. In all, this means every single police force in the UK

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now has at least one live investigation into non-recent child

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sex abuse. The numbers are stark but behind all of these statistics are

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the survivors themselves, here are just a few of their stories. I never

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wanted my mum to have that image of what happened to me. The loneliest

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place in the world. If I said anything no one would believe me. It

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destroyed me. I tried to hide it. I do feel the truth has set me free.

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You haven't got to hide in a dark corner any more. It was never your

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fault. Oh, my God, it wasn't just me, I'm not on my own! Justice had

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been done, I was believed. Good evening ladies and gentlemen 's

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Mac, welcome to top of the Pops! -- good evening, ladies and gentlemen,

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welcome to top of the Pops. I thought, and just going to die,

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that's how violent it was, that's how rough it was. I had done really

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well in my exams, and my mum said she'd take me away so we ended up

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going to Jersey. Jimmy Savile came into the bar. It was quite exciting,

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this guy from TV. It was the next morning after breakfast that this

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other girl and I were going down to the beach and he was at the door of

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his van and called us over to take some photos. As soon as he grabbed

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me it did not feel right at all. He was sort of thrusting his leg

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between my legs and was very, very physical and took his first off and

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got me to stand behind him, and he said, did we want to see inside the

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van? He followed us in. And shut the door and locked the door. I never

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wanted my mum to have that image of what happened to me. I could not

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have gone to her and explained what had happened. I'm pretty glad that

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she never knew. People have misconceptions of children getting

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abused. They don't get the real violence of it. The real... Fear

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that someone gets left with. Decades later, when it was in the press, a

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couple of the women being interviewed, and I get a real sense

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that they were not just being believed -- I got a sense. I

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e-mailed ITN and said that I had been sexually assaulted by Savile

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and I had photographs. And then it really snowballed. I remember

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getting e-mails saying there are now 30 women and within a week it was

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100. It was massive, Seung-Yul Noh. Seeing that I was not the only one.

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Is not historical, it's yesterday, its two days ago. It never, ever

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leaves you. I had respect for him. The utmost respect, I wish I had

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not, then it wouldn't have hurt so bad. It was the statue of Jesus

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watching down on me. I thought I was going to go to hell for the rest of

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my life. You dare not tell because you know you will not be believed.

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If you do tell, you will be outcast. And it does ruin your life. I

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couldn't even see my children get their nappies changed, for gods sake

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because I felt disgusted, knowing inside what happened to me, I used

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to leave the room. Not nice, is it? I wanted to tell my daughter how

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much I loved her, kissed her, hold her, saying I love you so much. I

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couldn't. I urge anyone to come forward. Anyone. If I can save one

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person from the life I've had to lead I've done my job.

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You can't trust anybody. That has been the philosophy of my life. I

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started being abused by a family member from the edge of 223 onwards.

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I was told that if I said anything I would be taken away because nobody

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would believe me and I would never ever see any of my family again,

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which to a child, to tell them that is horrific. This person was

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supposed to look after me. He didn't.

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We had a teacher called Mr Kilgower. We were asked to come and read to

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him and you would go up and with his right hand he would creep up your

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leg, into my pants, the dread, you are there, and you are thinking

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please don't shout my name please don't shout my name. The headmaster

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told my dad I was making it all up. He just reiterated what my family

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member had said. Nobody will believe you. That unbeknown to me I was not

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the only victim. -- but unbeknown to me, I was not the only victim.

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When I was wrongly told that he'd got a guilty verdict I cried because

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it was relief at last. It might have been 40 years to get him fair but

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they got him in the end. He had blackmailed me, he had

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threatened me, he had got into my mind. I had aspirations to be a

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professional footballer from a very young age. I joined the boys club

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when I was sort of about 11 years old. The coach was very kind at

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first. I had no inclination of what was about to happen, he would take

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me into a room alone, he would pretend to be the physio but had no

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qualifications whatsoever. And then it started off by just touching. I

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was scared. He would say, I'll drive you home. Then on the way home, stop

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at car parks and perform sexual acts. He would say that if I didn't

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perform the acts then he would tell the scouts that I was no good, that

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my training was poor, which tore my heart.

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My saving grace was when I played football, I was out of his way. That

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white line was my saviour but I knew he could not get to me then.

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The scar it leaves his quite massive although you appear to be very

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outgoing or what ever but in, I was just dying. I couldn't find a way of

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speaking out and that is the reason why I am coming out and speaking

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now, to tell people, don't be ashamed, to live in silence like I

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did. The story is out there, people know about him. It is like a weight

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has been lifted. You can come out now and tell everyone now, don't be

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ashamed of it. It's not your fault, it was never your fault. You may

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blame yourself that it was never your fault. I am pleased that I

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spoke out. We've got a long way to go. But I do think the more things

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are spoken about, the more understanding, information is

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educational and without knowing, then how does anything change?

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Incredible stories, just heartbreaking there and we are here

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tonight coming live from Lilleshall, the national sports centre in shops.

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We have moved in and we are joined by a group of guests all of whom

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have strong connections to the subject matter is so let's start

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with Paul Stewart, a former Tottenham and England footballer.

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There is no suggestion that Lilleshall is connected to the

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cases, but what made you take part in the revelations in November. To

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encourage others to come forward. I knew that there was a lot of people

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that suffered the same abuse as I suffered when I was a child. I know

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how it impacts on your life and how it's not just the abuse as it is

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happening, but how it impacts the rest of your life and your family. I

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really wanted to speak out and tell my story because I wanted others to

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feel that they could come forward, seek help and not suffer like I

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suffered for many years. You found them that your abuser had died?

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That's correct. In truth, it probably had more of an effect on my

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family than it did on me, because my reasons for coming forward did not

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change, it was purely and simply to help others, so that they could deal

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with the abuse and know that there is help out there. And ultimately,

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go and seek help if that is what they needed. Ian is a campaigner and

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survivor of the use by teachers when you were at boarding school. It is

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people in authority we are talking about. Absolutely. It is abuse of

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power, not only sexual abuse, it is abuse of power and people in

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authority who had charge of children. As a survivor of abuse,

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because those who we are entrusted to abuse us, we really against

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authorities. We fight against it at every stage in our lives, which

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create huge issues for us growing up and turning into adults. Doctor

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Hansen is a clinical psychologist who specialises in abuse and trauma

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and works for the NSPCC. There was an appeal for people to come forward

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but for some it might not be that simple. I think it is fantastic that

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so many people are coming forward now and I'm sure they will continue

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to do so and in parallel with that, we have to recognise that it will

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not be the right decision for everyone to speak to the police. For

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some people, the fears will be too great and the costs will be too high

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and for those who do talk to the police, they will be needing to take

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it step-by-step and the police will have to be earning the trust of that

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survivor and show that they are taking it seriously and they are

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proactively investigating. Jane Molineaux, you are a sport England's

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strategic lead on young people, can we be sure that the sporting

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institutions have changed and people are safer? We cannot afford to be

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complacent and there are always things we can do to improve the

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system. Sport take safeguard very seriously now and they work hard

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with clubs on the ground and they have policies and procedures, there

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are welfare officers if anyone is not sure about something, they can

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talk to people who will listen to them, trusted people, we have also

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helped to set up with the NSPCC the child protection and support unit,

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the only unit of its kind in the world. As survivors, do you believe

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that that is working? Personally, no. Part of me, my direction has

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changed now. I am working with a group of survivors, former

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footballers with the FA who have assured us that they will listen to

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us, take on board what we are trying to do to make sure that safeguarding

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is paramount. So that it never happens to children again. What do

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you think, Ian? I think that all institutions that are involved in

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child protection are learning hard and fast lessons. It encourages me

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if people are being proactive, because it has been swept away and

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covered up for decades and it is endemic in our country. All I can

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say is we have to offer people opportunities to

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implement change for children. This is not about people like Paul and I,

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the damage is done to us, it is about future protection of future

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generations to come. You mentioned the damage, Ellie, you have worked

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with damage people and we should come back to the fact, what they

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suffer goes with them throughout their lives, very often. The way I

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would see it, if you are going through that incredibly traumatic

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and difficult experience, as a child, when you do not have a

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framework to understand it, you haven't got the coping skills of an

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adult, you find a way to survive it, you adapt and actually, that enables

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you to get through it but unfortunately, those adaptations can

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leave people with problems further down the line. I would see it as

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survival skills rather than damage as it were. Any advice to parents,

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Jane, how do they know where they are putting their child is safe?

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They need to ask some questions. If you take your child along to a

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sports club or activity, there are some simple questions to ask. Do you

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know anything about the person who is leading or supporting the

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session? Do they have the right qualifications? Either any

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procedures in place? And if the child has any concerns, who do they

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need to go to who will listen to them and give them advice and take

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it seriously? I would say you would never take a child and leave them in

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a field and walk away and yet you take them to a sports club or

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activity without knowing anything about the person leading them, so

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just ask some simple questions? Thank you very much indeed for

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joining us. Let's cross to John Kay who is in the specialist call centre

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in Salford. It is only a few minutes as they gave out the number of this

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special helpline for survivors of child sexual abuse and almost as

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soon as we gave out the number, the phones started ringing and I think

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every one of the 35 specially trained counsellors here are now on

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calls, talking to people, some of them speaking for the very first

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time about something that has happened to them. If that issue and

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you want to know what happens when you ring this NSPCC number, Sandra,

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talk us through it. You can talk to us, it is the first stage, it you do

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not have to give us your name, it is a conversation about what happened

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to you and what you would like to do next. We would like to know if other

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children are at risk and is there something we can do about that now.

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If the person who has abuse due has also abused other children or has

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been in a position of trust and responsibility, we need to make sure

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that the abuse stops. Although we have focused on

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historical child sexual abuse, you're keen to hear from people who

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might know what is going on now. We want to make sure that no child is

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abused. The helpline is here for anyone with a concern about a child

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or once some advice. Thank you very much. It is busy in here. This is

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the helpline number. Thank you. Still to come... An exclusive into

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how detectives brought a child abuser operating at one of Britain's

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most prestigious schools to justice. One of the complainants in this

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case, they have carried this around for 30 years and it has had a

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massive impact. Pat was a very popular teacher although he was a

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geography teacher, he also taught rowing and he spent a lot of times

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with boys. He was a classic groomer with children.

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We have got wanted faces a first starting with Myron Parker Lee.

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Detectives in the West Midlands would like to speak to him after a

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man was stabbed in October. The 19-year-old has a large scar on his

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forehead and he also has a tattoo of the word mum on his right wrist and

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he is known to have friends across the West Midlands and possibly in

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London. This is Neil Daniel Brennan and detectives stay he is very

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dangerous. He was jailed for attempted murder after stabbing a

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man multiple times at a party. He also calls himself Tom Ford and was

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released from prison on temporary licence but has gone on the run. He

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is a master of disguise. This picture on the left shows him last

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year and the CCTV image of him as well. He is known to stay in

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Cheshire, Bury and the Blakley area of Manchester. Faced number three is

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this man. The taxi driver was arrested over an allegation of rape

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and released on police bail but has not returned for further

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questioning. He is originally from Pakistan and has links to

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Manchester, Slough and across Surrey. Finally for now is

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31-year-old Michael Peter Martin. Police think he might have

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information about a plan to blow up a cash machine and they would like

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to speak to him. He has a scar above his left ear and links to Salford

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and across Lancashire. If you know where any of these people are,

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please get in touch. Calls are free from landlines and mobiles and we

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will go through the rest of the line up a little later.

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Outside a like -- nightclubber Manchester City centre and these men

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have been refused entry. A scuffle breaks out with the doormen. Watch

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the man with the distinctive top closely. He take something out of

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his waistband. And walks over to the doormen who is facing the other way.

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He then starts in the top his leg. The security man later needed five

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stitches to the stab wound. Who is this man in the bright jacket?

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Police need a name tonight. A woman is returning home late on a Friday

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night, completely unaware she is being followed. As she parks on her

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driveway, a group of men suddenly Ross towards her, terrified, she

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sounds horn for help. Her husband runs out from the house and tries to

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fight off the robbers but he is easily outnumbered. They struggle

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with his wife and eventually grabbed her handbag before fleeing. These

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lowlife thugs took around ?3000 in cash and the woman's bank cards but

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they also left badly shaken. Police want to speak to this man, who they

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believe was caught on camera using the stolen car at the next day. Who

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are they? Doncaster in South Yorkshire. A quad bike drives past,

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a car on the opposite side suddenly stops and you can just see its

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headlights as it does a 3-point turn in the road. It is waiting for

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another quad bike and as soon as he comes past, the car chases, trying

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to force it off the road and seconds later, they smash into a parked car.

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The quad bike rider suffered severe brain injuries and is still in

:29:05.:29:10.

hospital. Detectives would like to speak to the occupants of this car,

:29:11.:29:13.

seen at a petrol station earlier that evening as they may have vital

:29:14.:29:18.

information. Call now if you know anything about the crash which has

:29:19.:29:22.

left a family man with life-changing injuries. This pensioner is getting

:29:23.:29:33.

ready to open auroral petrol station in Norfolk but these two are lying

:29:34.:29:39.

in wait. As the 78-year-old goals to lift the shutters, they strike,

:29:40.:29:43.

punching the pensioner and dragging him to the floor. Police believe

:29:44.:29:48.

these thugs were women. They take his rucksack and one puts the boot

:29:49.:29:53.

in again. They beat up the work for his bike which had no cash, just his

:29:54.:30:00.

hat and his sandwich box in. Despicable, who are they?

:30:01.:30:08.

Look closely in the bottom left-hand corner, this bird's eye view shows a

:30:09.:30:14.

man smashing into an industrial unit in Buckinghamshire. As he spins into

:30:15.:30:19.

the warehouse we get a good look at his face. Do you recognise him? He

:30:20.:30:26.

sprays liquid from the bottle he's carrying all over the newspapers and

:30:27.:30:32.

magazines and then lights it. But he has not finished yet. On his way out

:30:33.:30:37.

he sets the loading area ablaze as well. The warehouse quickly goes up

:30:38.:30:41.

in flames, totally getting the building. Thankfully on this

:30:42.:30:48.

occasion no one was hurt but around ?30,000 worth of stock was

:30:49.:30:52.

destroyed. This dangerous firestarter needs to be caught. Name

:30:53.:31:05.

him. Call on the usual Crimewatch number, 0808 five 600 600 if you can

:31:06.:31:09.

name any one we have just shown or you can text us. Texts will be

:31:10.:31:16.

charged at your standard message rate. You can follow all of the

:31:17.:31:21.

developments during the programme on our live update web page. More cases

:31:22.:31:30.

the police are asking for your help with now. Starting with an urgent

:31:31.:31:37.

appeal to find this man, convicted murderer Sean Colin Walmsley. He

:31:38.:31:41.

escaped from three prison officers who were taking him to a hospital

:31:42.:31:45.

appointment in Liverpool on Tuesday last week. Two men believed to have

:31:46.:31:49.

a knife and gun threat and the officers and demanded his release.

:31:50.:31:53.

The murderer and his accomplices then escaped in this gold coloured

:31:54.:32:01.

Volvo. Detectives believe the car, with this registration, had been

:32:02.:32:05.

parked near Aintree Hospital earlier that day. Did you see that car or do

:32:06.:32:13.

you know anything about the escape? Detectives say Walmsley is dangerous

:32:14.:32:16.

having been convicted of a savage murder. If you see him don't

:32:17.:32:23.

approach, just call 999. Next some shocking images of eight-year-old

:32:24.:32:29.

Tommy Ward, brutally attacked at his home in Rotherham overnight on

:32:30.:32:33.

September 30 2015. He suffered horrific injuries and died five

:32:34.:32:37.

months later. Whoever attacked him that might still this cash box from

:32:38.:32:42.

his house. It was found dumped that his life savings of ?30,000 are

:32:43.:32:54.

still missing. They have stolen his life, stolen a grandfather from my

:32:55.:33:02.

kids and stolen my dad. We are just in a long dark tunnel and we don't

:33:03.:33:05.

see any light at the end of it at the moment. Tonight detectives

:33:06.:33:11.

hunting for Tommy's killer or killers want your help to identify

:33:12.:33:15.

the occupants of this car seen it near his home on the night of the

:33:16.:33:22.

attack. They believe it is a Saab 93. Do you know anything about who

:33:23.:33:26.

was in the car that night or that vehicle? Please call if you can

:33:27.:33:32.

help. Next a significant new development in the disappearance of

:33:33.:33:35.

a two-year-old who was shopping with the mum near the military base where

:33:36.:33:42.

the family lived in Germany on November 28 1981. It was her second

:33:43.:33:48.

birthday. Despite extensive police searches she has never been found.

:33:49.:33:53.

Today I could be a grandmother and I know nothing about that. I have

:33:54.:33:57.

missed my daughter growing up, Mr teenage years. On Mother's Day and

:33:58.:34:06.

always one card short. No detectives from the Royal Military Police need

:34:07.:34:10.

your help to identify this man. An eyewitness saw him carrying a small

:34:11.:34:14.

child into a greener saloon vehicle at the time of Katrice's

:34:15.:34:18.

disappearance. Do you recognise him know anyone similar who may have

:34:19.:34:23.

been in the area in 1981? If so, do get in touch. On Saturday, December

:34:24.:34:34.

12 2015, 56-year-old woman was found murdered at her home in

:34:35.:34:38.

Leicestershire. A vicious and seemingly motiveless attack on a

:34:39.:34:41.

devoted wife, mother and grandmother. Tonight police need

:34:42.:34:46.

your help to identify these four people seen on CCTV in home-field

:34:47.:34:51.

Avenue on the night of the murder. They are keen to stress that they

:34:52.:34:54.

are witnesses who might have information that will top the

:34:55.:34:58.

inquiry, not suspects. There's a Crimestoppers reward for information

:34:59.:35:03.

that leads to the arrest and conviction of those responsible for

:35:04.:35:13.

the murder. So, still to come tonight, an exclusive look at how

:35:14.:35:18.

detectives catch the child abusers who think they have got away with

:35:19.:35:25.

it. What we are really looking for our trophies, items they have kept

:35:26.:35:30.

that help them relive some of the offending. We went through every

:35:31.:35:35.

real, the fans and film of him with children carrying out exactly the

:35:36.:35:40.

acts that were described by the people who came forward. -- we found

:35:41.:35:48.

some film. More wanted faces starting with Lee Jason Stewart.

:35:49.:35:54.

Merseyside Police believe he may have vital information about the

:35:55.:35:58.

assault of a woman last year, he is a registered sex offender and has

:35:59.:36:00.

breached and auditor told police where he is living. He is 40 with a

:36:01.:36:05.

Liverpudlian accent and has links across the Wirral area. David Paul

:36:06.:36:12.

Garner, you may know him as David Harris or David Bray or David

:36:13.:36:16.

Martin. He was charged with a number of theft and fraud offences and

:36:17.:36:20.

failed to appear at Warwick Crown Court and is on the run. He is 36

:36:21.:36:25.

and you may have seen him across Sussex, Leicestershire or

:36:26.:36:28.

Warwickshire. Do you recognise this man? 33-year-old Omar Omar. This is

:36:29.:36:38.

an old photograph. He also uses many names. He was due to be sentenced at

:36:39.:36:42.

Bristol Crown Court on a drug dealing charge but did not turn up.

:36:43.:36:48.

Originally from Somalia he now has contacts in the Netherlands,

:36:49.:36:50.

Bristol, London and Leicester. And finally tonight we have this

:36:51.:37:01.

20-year-old, Radu Ion. Due to appear in court on a firearms offence, he

:37:02.:37:05.

didn't turn up, he has a Romanian accent and links to Essex, Leeds and

:37:06.:37:10.

London. He has a tattoo of a dragon emerging from an egg on his right

:37:11.:37:14.

arm. If you know where any of these faces are, get in touch me using the

:37:15.:37:19.

numbers on screen you can find all the details on our website along

:37:20.:37:23.

more people at the police need your help to locate. OK, we are just over

:37:24.:37:32.

halfway through our special programme. Let's see how things are

:37:33.:37:35.

going in the Salford call centre. John? Jeremy, tonight, as well as

:37:36.:37:41.

the normal Crimewatch appeal number we have a special helpline number

:37:42.:37:46.

for people who have been all are currently numbers of child sexual

:37:47.:37:49.

abuse. The number is on your screen now. 0808 800 5000. It's been busy

:37:50.:37:59.

tonight, more than 1000 calls tonight, some from people who have

:38:00.:38:04.

never spoken out before. Sandra is running the helpline, sorry to

:38:05.:38:09.

interrupt, what calls have you had? Allsorts, some from older people who

:38:10.:38:14.

haven't talked about abuse before, it's their first opportunity, they

:38:15.:38:17.

don't always want action taken they do want their stories heard and we

:38:18.:38:20.

are getting calls from people worried about children now or people

:38:21.:38:24.

abused in institutional settings. Thank you. That special number on

:38:25.:38:30.

your screen now, it goes on and on to the end of the programme, it goes

:38:31.:38:35.

on for 24 hours, seven days a week. As well as speaking to trained

:38:36.:38:40.

counsellors, callers to the NSPCC hotlines can ask for their case to

:38:41.:38:45.

be referred to police. Once detectives receive information about

:38:46.:38:52.

police, sometimes decades down the line, how do they investigated and

:38:53.:38:55.

bring the perpetrators to justice? For the first time ever the

:38:56.:38:59.

Operation Hydrant teams have allowed our cameras in to find out how they

:39:00.:39:01.

do it. From call to conviction. It makes you wonder, after 40 years,

:39:02.:39:35.

why you didn't say anything before. Harrowing to think that one person

:39:36.:39:44.

has ruined half your life. The most difficult thing with investigating

:39:45.:39:47.

these types of crimes is actually gaining the trust of the victim. A

:39:48.:39:54.

modern crime, we've got friends a the team that is, we've got CCTV but

:39:55.:40:03.

with this, that has all gone. Trying to remember something from 20 or 30

:40:04.:40:07.

years ago is a complex thing for somebody. Giving evidence is

:40:08.:40:13.

incredibly difficult. It does not matter who you are, when you are

:40:14.:40:16.

standing in that box you must feel incredibly alone. I was extremely

:40:17.:40:23.

anxious about being cross-examined. It was grim. It was really, really

:40:24.:40:25.

hard. A lot of people can't understand why

:40:26.:40:41.

the police spend so much time and money investigating historical

:40:42.:40:47.

allegations. For the complainants in this case they have carried this

:40:48.:40:51.

around for 30 years and it has had a massive impact. For the past two

:40:52.:40:59.

years, DC Kimmit Prosser has been working on the investigation into

:41:00.:41:03.

Patrick Marshall, a former teacher at the prestigious Saint Pauls

:41:04.:41:08.

School, London. Pat was a popular teacher, he was a geography teacher

:41:09.:41:12.

but also taught growing so he spent a lot of time with boys inside the

:41:13.:41:18.

school and also outside the school. A classic groomer of children. One

:41:19.:41:23.

of several former Saint Pauls teachers accused of abusing children

:41:24.:41:27.

between the 60s and the 90s. Two have already been found guilty.

:41:28.:41:37.

Investigations like this are overseen in the UK by Operation

:41:38.:41:44.

Hydrant. Its role as of again that it assesses forces nationally to

:41:45.:41:49.

coordinate investigations. Their priority is making sure children

:41:50.:41:53.

today are not at risk from named abuses. Take it on 20 years and are

:41:54.:41:58.

they still have access to children, grandchildren, new families, new

:41:59.:42:02.

clubs they are involved in? Then it is over to the detectives to

:42:03.:42:07.

investigate. You looking for co-operation. The consistency. And

:42:08.:42:12.

with historical cases finding that co-operation is one of the real

:42:13.:42:17.

challenges. A good example of work or a bridge of evidence has been

:42:18.:42:21.

very powerful in prosecution is where the victim mentioned that the

:42:22.:42:25.

offender had written telephone numbers on the wall. Years later,

:42:26.:42:32.

the same premises were visited, the wallpaper was removed, and those

:42:33.:42:36.

telephone numbers were still there. It's things like that that can be

:42:37.:42:43.

very, very powerful in proving that the offence took place. But the

:42:44.:42:51.

drive to gather that proof has not always been the police's top

:42:52.:42:56.

priority. Historically police forces may have looked at an account of

:42:57.:43:01.

non-recent sexual abuse and just thought, it is too hard to

:43:02.:43:04.

investigate this so we are not going to. I have pushed and pushed and

:43:05.:43:09.

pushed so that people would investigate. I kind of thought that

:43:10.:43:17.

it would have been an easy process. Between the ages of nine and 13, Ian

:43:18.:43:22.

McFadyen suffered systematic abuse and even rape at the hands of a

:43:23.:43:26.

number of his teachers at Caldicot School, Buckinghamshire. You can

:43:27.:43:32.

feel your heart beating through your clothes. You can feel every breath

:43:33.:43:38.

you are taking. Just the terror, but I didn't know what was going on. I

:43:39.:43:42.

used heroin for the first time when I was 12, and my life from 13 until

:43:43.:43:52.

probably 30 has been a maelstrom of drug and alcohol abuse. If a

:43:53.:43:59.

survivor had the drugs and alcohol problem, they were emotionally numb

:44:00.:44:03.

about what had happened or if they had a chaotic lifestyle all of these

:44:04.:44:08.

things were seen to be kind of black marks against that victim rather

:44:09.:44:13.

than being understood as very normal consequences of the abuse

:44:14.:44:18.

experienced. I think it is fair to say that police have dramatically

:44:19.:44:23.

improved their approach to the investigation of sexual abuse.

:44:24.:44:30.

Police are becoming better informed. They are better educated about

:44:31.:44:34.

people such as myself in the way I behave. When the police take a

:44:35.:44:38.

survivor centred approach it is a win - win situation, best for the

:44:39.:44:42.

survivor and also helps police gather their best evidence and

:44:43.:44:43.

increase the chance of conviction. At the net it is the day before

:44:44.:44:54.

Patrick Marshall's trial is due to start. I will bring the last few

:44:55.:45:02.

bits down the stairs. A lot of the work is done behind-the-scenes. I

:45:03.:45:04.

think in this case, we must've come up with about 800 documents and each

:45:05.:45:12.

one of them has to be read. Many of these were sourced from the St

:45:13.:45:17.

Paul's School archive. We have to help the police in every way we can

:45:18.:45:22.

to ensure that justice is done. What we thought they'd might lead -- need

:45:23.:45:28.

for personnel files but in fact it was much of the detail of the

:45:29.:45:32.

activities that were going on in the school in the 1970s and 1980s that

:45:33.:45:37.

enabled the police to authenticate and verify the testimony that they

:45:38.:45:41.

were receiving. We were lucky enough to be able to draw on pupils Leavers

:45:42.:45:48.

cards which would hold a whole host of information and one of those

:45:49.:45:55.

cards was invaluable in our trial. The message is really clear, it is

:45:56.:46:00.

not for you to bring the evidence to the police. Our job is to look for

:46:01.:46:04.

things that may corroborate it and to seek the truth. DIA Paul Brown

:46:05.:46:16.

led the investigation into Barry Warren, a scoutmaster in King's Lynn

:46:17.:46:21.

during the 1970s and 1980s. Mr Warren had a boat on the Broads and

:46:22.:46:25.

he would invite children from the Scout group to have a weekend away

:46:26.:46:30.

on the boat. You would not ever think there was a dark side to him

:46:31.:46:36.

at all. In fact, Warren was systematically grooming the children

:46:37.:46:41.

in his care. He would embark upon games with the children. He had a

:46:42.:46:46.

particular day game were tears would start moving into a very sexual

:46:47.:46:53.

area. By the time police came to investigate, it was more than 20

:46:54.:46:57.

years later but there were striking similarities between his accusers

:46:58.:47:02.

accounts. They were all giving those accounts independently and some

:47:03.:47:06.

years later and we started to draw some key similar factors out of that

:47:07.:47:11.

and one of those was this orange jumper. Warren's victim said he wore

:47:12.:47:16.

the jumper while he abused them. Barry was really clear and he

:47:17.:47:20.

described them as fanciful allegations made up by some children

:47:21.:47:26.

with very vivid imaginations. But then detectives searched his home.

:47:27.:47:39.

What we were really looking for work trophies, items that they have kept

:47:40.:47:43.

that help them relive some of the offending is. They found a

:47:44.:47:45.

photograph of Warren wearing the orange jumper and the hair gave his

:47:46.:47:48.

victims described. They also seized dozens of reels of silly films. We

:47:49.:47:52.

went through every real and we found some film of Barry with some

:47:53.:47:56.

children carrying out the exactly the same acts described by witnesses

:47:57.:48:03.

who came forward. Sadly, the victims caught on film have never been

:48:04.:48:08.

identified. Just some of the many survivors of abuse who have not yet

:48:09.:48:09.

come forward. It makes you wonder, after 40 years,

:48:10.:48:29.

why you didn't say anything before and it is harrowing to think that

:48:30.:48:37.

one person has ruined sort of half your life. Warren was not the only

:48:38.:48:42.

offender to leave evidence of his crimes. Diaries, notes and even

:48:43.:48:48.

hospital blueprints have all been used to link child abusers to the

:48:49.:48:51.

crimes they thought were consigned to the past. Let you if anything

:48:52.:49:04.

happens. See you later. Goodbye. The jury is out in the trial of Patrick

:49:05.:49:10.

Marshall, a former teacher at St Paul's School, London. I'm not

:49:11.:49:13.

anxious for myself but I have got 12 people who are incredibly anxious

:49:14.:49:18.

about the result and I think you just take an the anxiousness for

:49:19.:49:27.

them. This trial in particular really took over my life for

:49:28.:49:33.

probably a period of about eight months and I just think it was so

:49:34.:49:37.

important that we did everything right. Two days later, the verdict

:49:38.:49:43.

is in. Patrick Marshall was found guilty on all 25 charges.

:49:44.:49:53.

I am absolutely thrilled. Today is definitely the right result, it was

:49:54.:50:06.

the right verdict. The nature of the case just reinforced that sense of

:50:07.:50:11.

shock and what an appalling act that was. Hearing them in quick

:50:12.:50:19.

succession, guilty, guilty, guilty, there was an almost instantaneous

:50:20.:50:22.

response I felt for weight being lifted. When someone has gone

:50:23.:50:26.

through their life fearing they will not be relieved, to finally find

:50:27.:50:31.

that you are and that people cared that it happened to you and are

:50:32.:50:37.

outraged that it happened to you, back and have a profound impact. I

:50:38.:50:40.

encourage you to step forward and speak out. It is my silence that

:50:41.:50:51.

maintained my abuser's safety. We are now at a moment where we are

:50:52.:50:58.

facing sexual abuse in a way we not done and over riding our desire to

:50:59.:51:01.

turn away is the desire to acknowledge, to make amends to do

:51:02.:51:06.

something different, to actually tackle this problem. Even though

:51:07.:51:09.

these offences happened such a long time ago, just to know that if they

:51:10.:51:16.

come to the police, it will be taken seriously and they will be listened

:51:17.:51:24.

to. Well, Chief Constable Simon Bailey who is in charge of Operation

:51:25.:51:30.

Hydrant is with me now along with Professor Mark Bailey, no relation,

:51:31.:51:33.

who is the current high master of St Paul's School that was featured in

:51:34.:51:38.

that film. What would you say to a school that finds itself in the

:51:39.:51:43.

position that you did? First of all, support the police and help them as

:51:44.:51:48.

much as possible to ensure that justice is done. Secondly, when it

:51:49.:51:53.

is appropriate to reach out to survivors and to apologise and to

:51:54.:51:58.

learn from them and thirdly, just make sure that the safeguarding that

:51:59.:52:01.

you have in your school, at the present time is as safe as it can

:52:02.:52:08.

possibly be. Our children safe in schools now than they were 30 years

:52:09.:52:13.

ago? Yes, there is a national framework of safeguarding that

:52:14.:52:17.

compels all schools to train staff, to educate children and to ensure

:52:18.:52:23.

the safer recruitment, so the systems are so much stronger than

:52:24.:52:27.

they were 30 years ago and the key thing is to create a culture in

:52:28.:52:31.

which children feel able to talk, that staff are alert and aware to

:52:32.:52:38.

signs of abuse and it reduces the risk and increases the deterrent of

:52:39.:52:43.

paedophiles operating in schools. We have heard about school is changing

:52:44.:52:46.

and football clubs and the police have had to change as well. There

:52:47.:52:50.

has been a fundamental change since 2012, after Jimmy Savile, there is

:52:51.:52:52.

no doubt that we have put in place has

:52:53.:53:15.

improved the all in all comprehension and I am delighted and

:53:16.:53:18.

credit must go to all those officers who are dealing with cases like the

:53:19.:53:20.

ones you have heard this evening. The cases that will inevitably come

:53:21.:53:24.

on as a result of the programme, they have to deal with it on a daily

:53:25.:53:28.

basis. When you get a conviction it is not necessarily be end of the

:53:29.:53:32.

story. Nope. It is quite often the case that further victims will have

:53:33.:53:38.

the confidence and courage to come forward and report the abuse of the

:53:39.:53:42.

person who has been convicted and we have to deal with that. Things are

:53:43.:53:46.

changing. Yes. There can be no guarantees but as long as there is

:53:47.:53:51.

greater awareness and alertness, then the chance of early

:53:52.:53:54.

intervention are much higher. Thank you both very much. With that in

:53:55.:53:59.

mind, please take a look at these images. This is 70-year-old Mark

:54:00.:54:05.

Frost a retired English teacher. He used to go by the name of Andrew

:54:06.:54:09.

Tracy. Last month he was jailed for life after admitting 45 sex offences

:54:10.:54:14.

against young boys in England and Thailand but the National Crime

:54:15.:54:17.

Agency are convinced that there are still more victims out there, many

:54:18.:54:21.

of whom may never have spoken about what happened to them. They have set

:54:22.:54:26.

up a dedicated helpline and are now encouraging any other victims to get

:54:27.:54:29.

in touch, to get the support and help they need. The freephone number

:54:30.:54:41.

to call is on screen now. There is more information on the website

:54:42.:54:44.

about other organisations that can offer help and advice. Any victims

:54:45.:54:48.

of crime can speak to the victim support. Let's have a final check on

:54:49.:54:56.

the latest from the call centre in Salford. They say they have been

:54:57.:55:01.

overwhelmed by the number of calls they have had in here over the last

:55:02.:55:05.

hour. Hundreds of calls already talking about abuse that has

:55:06.:55:10.

happened to people in care homes, in schools, throughout education, even

:55:11.:55:14.

within families. Some of those cases go back a long way and some people

:55:15.:55:17.

saying that they want those cases to go onto the police for further

:55:18.:55:22.

investigation. Remember, if you're waiting to get through, this is a

:55:23.:55:26.

24-hour helpline. You can call tomorrow if you like. The number is

:55:27.:55:29.

on screen now. They say they are ready to take your

:55:30.:55:41.

call when you are ready to talk. Thank you we just have time for a

:55:42.:55:46.

quick update on the other cases. Earlier we saw truly shocking images

:55:47.:55:53.

of this attack. You any closer to finding Tommy's killers? A number of

:55:54.:55:59.

people have called in. If you are sitting on yourself and you have

:56:00.:56:03.

that information, knowing what has happened to Tommy, then please bring

:56:04.:56:10.

us. In regards to the CCTV, I need to know who owned that Saab car and

:56:11.:56:16.

who was in that vehicle. I am urging the public to contact us. There is a

:56:17.:56:21.

?10,000 reward leading to the arrest and conviction of the offenders for

:56:22.:56:25.

this nasty attack on this innocent and vulnerable man. Thank you very

:56:26.:56:32.

much. This woman was murdered in her own home, a seemingly motiveless

:56:33.:56:37.

attack, have you had any information? I would appeal to

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people who had further information to give us a call. We are keen to

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identify their four males seen walking up the road. Keep those

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calls coming in. That is just about all we have for you on what has been

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really quite a remarkable night. We have heard about some of the worst

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crimes imaginable but it has been incredible. We will see how many

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people have called in for the first time. It will help bring more

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offenders to justice. Details of organisations helping -- offering

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help with child sexual abuse are available online. You can call free

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at any time to hear recorded information as well. Remember, you

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can head over right now to the Crimewatch website where we will be

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streaming live that all the latest developments on tonight's appeals.

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Next week we are investigating the madness on our roads, why is it that

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when so many of us get behind the wheel, we lose the plot? Normally

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mild mannered people are prepared to be aggressive behind the wheel. They

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have got so cross that they feel they have to do something.

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Unfortunately what they are doing is using two tonnes of metal to express

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their frustration. That is coming next week, Monday, live at nine

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o'clock on BBC One. For now, thank you so much for all of your calls,

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they really do make a difference. From everyone here in Lilleshall and

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the team in Salford, goodbye.

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Jeremy Vine and Tina Daheley return with a special episode of Crimewatch dedicated to tackling child sex abuse. In light of revelations about the scale of non-recent abuse in football, Crimewatch has been granted unprecedented access to Operation Hydrant, the UK's national police operation tasked with bringing abusers to justice. Specialist detectives reveal how they are investigating these cases, sometimes decades after they took place. The programme also hears from the survivors about the suffering they have experienced and, for some, their sense of resolution when they see their abusers jailed. Jeremy and Tina are also joined by BBC Breakfast's Jon Kay, who broadcasts live from a call centre operating throughout the programme. Offering confidential help and support to victims of abuse, it is hoped this special episode will allow more victims to feel emboldened to come forward and tell their stories, helping to turn the tide against the abusers who have operated behind a wall of silence for so many years. The programme also asks for viewers' help with other major appeals and to identify criminals caught on CCTV. There is also the usual round-up of wanted faces. Viewers can now follow the latest developments on the cases before, during and after the live programme via the new Crimewatch live pages, available via the Crimewatch website on the day of transmission and in the weeks between each episode.


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