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Think about it, what would you do if you had a bad run of luck? | 0:00:02 | 0:00:04 | |
The chances are that you'd end up turning to government agencies | 0:00:04 | 0:00:08 | |
for a bit of help. | 0:00:08 | 0:00:10 | |
I think we're very lucky to have a welfare state | 0:00:10 | 0:00:12 | |
and I think a lot of people don't appreciate it. | 0:00:12 | 0:00:15 | |
My husband is disabled. Without the benefits system | 0:00:15 | 0:00:18 | |
we would have found things very difficult. | 0:00:18 | 0:00:20 | |
Here in the UK millions of us need to ask for help every year | 0:00:20 | 0:00:24 | |
in the form of benefits, Legal Aid and health care. | 0:00:24 | 0:00:28 | |
But there are some people who are out there to cheat the system | 0:00:28 | 0:00:31 | |
out of as much as they can. | 0:00:31 | 0:00:34 | |
Benefit cheats are criminals and they should be treated accordingly. | 0:00:34 | 0:00:39 | |
How are these people managing to get away with this? | 0:00:39 | 0:00:42 | |
But those people who are trying to get rich from the public purse | 0:00:42 | 0:00:45 | |
are now being sniffed out by investigators, who want to make | 0:00:45 | 0:00:49 | |
sure that as much money as possible is available to those who need it. | 0:00:49 | 0:00:53 | |
This is the world of Saints and Scroungers. | 0:00:53 | 0:00:57 | |
Coming up, the scroungers who are out to beat the system. | 0:01:00 | 0:01:04 | |
A woman who claimed thousands of pounds of benefits over | 0:01:04 | 0:01:08 | |
nine years, claiming she was a single parent who needed help. | 0:01:08 | 0:01:11 | |
The police and benefit officers attended this address. | 0:01:11 | 0:01:14 | |
The door was answered by the alleged partner in his pyjamas. | 0:01:14 | 0:01:18 | |
A scrounger whose council property was making her a mint, | 0:01:18 | 0:01:21 | |
but who ended up paying the price. | 0:01:21 | 0:01:24 | |
We received an anonymous call by the council's fraud hotline alleging | 0:01:24 | 0:01:28 | |
that Miss Goatley wasn't actually living at her council property. | 0:01:28 | 0:01:32 | |
And those who rightly deserve a helping hand. | 0:01:32 | 0:01:35 | |
A man struck down | 0:01:35 | 0:01:36 | |
with a debilitating and inexplicable illness | 0:01:36 | 0:01:39 | |
discovers his life is about to change for ever. | 0:01:39 | 0:01:42 | |
As I walked in he looked really startled, | 0:01:42 | 0:01:45 | |
as though a stranger had just walked into the house. | 0:01:45 | 0:01:48 | |
That really was quite a scary moment. | 0:01:48 | 0:01:51 | |
Being a parent can be tough, even when there's two of you. | 0:01:54 | 0:01:59 | |
But if one partner walks out | 0:01:59 | 0:02:01 | |
and there's still a mortgage to pay, well, then it can be too much. | 0:02:01 | 0:02:05 | |
Meet mother of three, Jacqueline Fox. | 0:02:08 | 0:02:12 | |
In 2003 her partner left her. | 0:02:12 | 0:02:15 | |
She began claiming benefits to keep a roof over her | 0:02:15 | 0:02:17 | |
and her family's head. | 0:02:17 | 0:02:19 | |
It was much-needed help, especially as she had a mortgage to pay. | 0:02:19 | 0:02:22 | |
Jacqueline lived in Worthing, a large seaside town | 0:02:22 | 0:02:26 | |
on the south coast. Popular with families and the retired, | 0:02:26 | 0:02:30 | |
this six-mile-square corner of the country is home | 0:02:30 | 0:02:33 | |
to around 100,000 people, 10,000 of whom are claiming housing benefit. | 0:02:33 | 0:02:38 | |
Terry Cutler is a finance manager at Worthing Borough Council. | 0:02:38 | 0:02:43 | |
Certainly 95% of claims are genuine. | 0:02:43 | 0:02:48 | |
We never have a problem with them. | 0:02:48 | 0:02:49 | |
People are honest. Benefits are aimed at the people who are deserving. | 0:02:49 | 0:02:53 | |
They are for people who have fallen on hard times | 0:02:53 | 0:02:56 | |
for one reason or another and genuinely need the help. | 0:02:56 | 0:03:00 | |
There's about £250,000 worth of overpayments every year due to fraud. | 0:03:00 | 0:03:07 | |
However, we do recover that money. | 0:03:07 | 0:03:10 | |
So when you say there is a cost, there isn't one, | 0:03:10 | 0:03:14 | |
because we get the money back. | 0:03:14 | 0:03:15 | |
Jacqueline appeared to be a deserving case for support, | 0:03:15 | 0:03:19 | |
but information in 2010 suggested that her relationship | 0:03:19 | 0:03:24 | |
with her partner wasn't quite as rocky as she'd made out. | 0:03:24 | 0:03:28 | |
Her case landed on the desk of fraud investigator Dave Barrow. | 0:03:28 | 0:03:31 | |
Jacqueline Fox, as a single mother, | 0:03:34 | 0:03:37 | |
is entitled on paper to income support, council tax benefit | 0:03:37 | 0:03:42 | |
as a homeowner and also for the DWP to pay her mortgage interest. | 0:03:42 | 0:03:48 | |
She could be made homeless | 0:03:48 | 0:03:50 | |
if her mortgage interest repayments weren't kept up and therefore, | 0:03:50 | 0:03:53 | |
as an income support claimant, she's entitled to help. | 0:03:53 | 0:03:56 | |
Homeowners whose circumstances change, | 0:03:56 | 0:03:59 | |
putting their properties at risk, are able to apply to | 0:03:59 | 0:04:03 | |
the Department Of Work And Pensions safety net for help. | 0:04:03 | 0:04:06 | |
But information passed to Worthing Council in 2010 cast doubt | 0:04:06 | 0:04:10 | |
over Jacqueline Fox's claims. | 0:04:10 | 0:04:13 | |
The investigation started as a result of an anonymous tip-off | 0:04:15 | 0:04:19 | |
that her partner had returned to live at her address. | 0:04:19 | 0:04:21 | |
That's an issue because obviously as a single mother, she is | 0:04:21 | 0:04:25 | |
claiming benefits, not declaring a partner who is possibly working. | 0:04:25 | 0:04:32 | |
If the tip-off held any weight it was unlikely Jacqueline would | 0:04:32 | 0:04:36 | |
have been eligible to claim benefits from Worthing Council | 0:04:36 | 0:04:39 | |
or the Department For Work And Pensions. | 0:04:39 | 0:04:42 | |
Dave immediately dug out her file | 0:04:42 | 0:04:44 | |
and went back over her claims forms dating back to 2003. | 0:04:44 | 0:04:49 | |
She is accepting that she is giving the full, | 0:04:49 | 0:04:51 | |
true and complete information on the form and she's also agreeing to | 0:04:51 | 0:04:54 | |
notify any change of circumstance, such as a partner moving in. | 0:04:54 | 0:04:59 | |
On page five she's declared the three children... | 0:04:59 | 0:05:02 | |
On page six, which is her opportunity to declare any other | 0:05:04 | 0:05:07 | |
adult living in the house, she's ticked no and left the page blank. | 0:05:07 | 0:05:11 | |
If all the statements she made were correct, then she'd be entitled to | 0:05:12 | 0:05:16 | |
all her benefits, to help her along a bit until she found her feet. | 0:05:16 | 0:05:19 | |
It's vital that people report any change of circumstance to us. | 0:05:19 | 0:05:23 | |
If their circumstances had got worse or they had got better | 0:05:23 | 0:05:27 | |
and they are getting more income, then they could be accruing | 0:05:27 | 0:05:32 | |
a large overpayment which they might have difficulty paying back. | 0:05:32 | 0:05:35 | |
Her claim for benefit is based on the fact that she's declaring | 0:05:35 | 0:05:39 | |
she is a lone mother with three children and with a very low income. | 0:05:39 | 0:05:44 | |
And obviously if the evidence proved that there is a working partner | 0:05:44 | 0:05:48 | |
living there, then obviously her benefit claim | 0:05:48 | 0:05:52 | |
alters in its ingredients completely. | 0:05:52 | 0:05:55 | |
Since her claims began, she'd received over £60,000 | 0:05:57 | 0:06:01 | |
in income support and around £7,000 in council tax benefit. | 0:06:01 | 0:06:06 | |
But Jacqueline Fox's benefit claims were at complete odds | 0:06:06 | 0:06:10 | |
with the information gathered from the anonymous tip-off. | 0:06:10 | 0:06:13 | |
It's at times like this that investigators need to | 0:06:15 | 0:06:18 | |
get to the heart of the matter. | 0:06:18 | 0:06:20 | |
One of the tools they can use is of course surveillance, | 0:06:20 | 0:06:24 | |
but it's time-consuming. | 0:06:24 | 0:06:26 | |
Sometimes it's quicker and easier to take a journey | 0:06:26 | 0:06:29 | |
through someone's finances and credit history. | 0:06:29 | 0:06:32 | |
And with close to £67,000 at stake, | 0:06:32 | 0:06:36 | |
Worthing Council got straight on to the case. | 0:06:36 | 0:06:39 | |
The first thing we did to start the investigation was to conduct | 0:06:39 | 0:06:42 | |
a credit search, which revealed that Mrs Fox had taken out a loan | 0:06:42 | 0:06:47 | |
and had an undeclared bank account. | 0:06:47 | 0:06:49 | |
Now, Jacqueline could just be saving a small amount of money for a | 0:06:49 | 0:06:52 | |
rainy day and the loan could also potentially be explained, but the | 0:06:52 | 0:06:56 | |
fact that she hadn't declared them rang alarm bells with the council. | 0:06:56 | 0:07:00 | |
Dave was like a dog with a bone | 0:07:00 | 0:07:02 | |
and dug deeper into Jacqueline's finances. | 0:07:02 | 0:07:05 | |
Closer examination of the bank account showed that there were | 0:07:05 | 0:07:08 | |
a series of credits over a period of time for three separate employments. | 0:07:08 | 0:07:13 | |
So there was now the possibility that this supposedly single, | 0:07:14 | 0:07:18 | |
unemployed mother of three was working. | 0:07:18 | 0:07:21 | |
If true, it was yet another thing she'd neglected to tell the council. | 0:07:21 | 0:07:25 | |
The credits that were coming into her account were not | 0:07:25 | 0:07:28 | |
small change either. | 0:07:28 | 0:07:30 | |
She was bringing in a very healthy £600 a week. | 0:07:30 | 0:07:33 | |
The team needed to find out who was paying Jacqueline. | 0:07:33 | 0:07:37 | |
We contacted the company that was paying the current credit, | 0:07:37 | 0:07:41 | |
which is a roofing company, who were able to confirm that Mrs Fox | 0:07:41 | 0:07:45 | |
was not their employee, but their employee was the alleged partner. | 0:07:45 | 0:07:50 | |
So, Ms Fox and her partner's relationship is over, | 0:07:53 | 0:07:57 | |
it's history. | 0:07:57 | 0:07:59 | |
He's moved out and left her and the kids to fend for themselves. | 0:07:59 | 0:08:04 | |
And yet he's still paying his wages into her bank account. | 0:08:04 | 0:08:08 | |
It sounds like a very amicable break-up! | 0:08:08 | 0:08:11 | |
Either her so-called partner was extremely generous | 0:08:12 | 0:08:15 | |
or the tip-off was beginning to ring true. | 0:08:15 | 0:08:17 | |
Next on the fraud team's list was to find out more about the loan | 0:08:17 | 0:08:20 | |
that Jacqueline Fox had taken out. | 0:08:20 | 0:08:23 | |
They were hoping it would shed more light into her finances | 0:08:23 | 0:08:26 | |
and, even better, link her alleged partner to her address. | 0:08:26 | 0:08:30 | |
The loan was for a small works-type vehicle | 0:08:33 | 0:08:37 | |
which had been registered in her partner's name at her address. | 0:08:37 | 0:08:43 | |
It links the partner to her address, and the fact that she had | 0:08:43 | 0:08:47 | |
taken out the loan in her name, but it's his vehicle. | 0:08:47 | 0:08:51 | |
DVLA records are just one of the many databases | 0:08:52 | 0:08:55 | |
fraud investigators can access, so now Dave had established that | 0:08:55 | 0:09:00 | |
Jacqueline's alleged partner has a car registered at her address. | 0:09:00 | 0:09:03 | |
A car that she bought. | 0:09:03 | 0:09:06 | |
This was either the most harmonious break-up of all time | 0:09:06 | 0:09:09 | |
or there was some serious deception going on. | 0:09:09 | 0:09:11 | |
We'll find out later if the council had enough to prove that she | 0:09:11 | 0:09:15 | |
was living with her so-called ex. | 0:09:15 | 0:09:18 | |
If the tip-off was proved to be correct, | 0:09:18 | 0:09:20 | |
then Mrs Fox could face prosecution. | 0:09:20 | 0:09:23 | |
For now, though, it's farewell to the scroungers trying to fleece | 0:09:28 | 0:09:32 | |
the system and let's say hello to those we call our saints, | 0:09:32 | 0:09:35 | |
people who do everything to make sure that those in need | 0:09:35 | 0:09:38 | |
of help who are too proud or simply don't know how to help themselves, | 0:09:38 | 0:09:42 | |
get what they deserve. | 0:09:42 | 0:09:44 | |
Living with a disability can present many challenges, | 0:09:49 | 0:09:53 | |
but you would hope that once it's clear what you're dealing with, | 0:09:53 | 0:09:57 | |
people should recognise that and give you a break. | 0:09:57 | 0:10:00 | |
Some conditions, however, | 0:10:00 | 0:10:01 | |
don't conform to people's idea of what a disability is | 0:10:01 | 0:10:06 | |
or how it should behave, and that can make life very tough. | 0:10:06 | 0:10:10 | |
In 2008, father of two Paul Kay realised that the headaches | 0:10:11 | 0:10:16 | |
he has always suffered from were taking a much more sinister turn. | 0:10:16 | 0:10:21 | |
My migraines are something I've dealt with since I was a teenage lad. | 0:10:21 | 0:10:26 | |
I've always been able to self-medicate it | 0:10:26 | 0:10:29 | |
and bring it down to a level where I could work. | 0:10:29 | 0:10:33 | |
I felt such immense pain on the opposite side | 0:10:33 | 0:10:37 | |
of my head that the migraines are, and... | 0:10:37 | 0:10:42 | |
I started forgetting things. | 0:10:42 | 0:10:44 | |
Before he started losing his memory, Paul had been self-employed | 0:10:44 | 0:10:48 | |
for many years as a traffic safety control officer, and was | 0:10:48 | 0:10:52 | |
responsible for implementing safety measures for over 150 road workers. | 0:10:52 | 0:10:57 | |
His steady income meant that he could afford to take his long-term | 0:10:57 | 0:11:01 | |
partner Denise and their two children on holiday | 0:11:01 | 0:11:04 | |
several times a year, something they all enjoyed. | 0:11:04 | 0:11:07 | |
But as his migraines and memory loss developed, | 0:11:07 | 0:11:10 | |
he was finding it harder and harder to continue working. | 0:11:10 | 0:11:14 | |
When my illness started with me... | 0:11:14 | 0:11:17 | |
I couldn't keep MYSELF safe. | 0:11:17 | 0:11:20 | |
That is one of the fundamental parts of safety, | 0:11:22 | 0:11:26 | |
who are you responsible for, safety-wise? | 0:11:26 | 0:11:29 | |
You're responsible for yourself first and foremost. | 0:11:30 | 0:11:35 | |
If I can't make sure I'M safe, | 0:11:35 | 0:11:38 | |
how do I make sure everybody else is safe? | 0:11:38 | 0:11:43 | |
When the severe pain and memory loss started, | 0:11:43 | 0:11:46 | |
he was in the middle of a contract working on the M1 motorway. | 0:11:46 | 0:11:50 | |
His bouts of memory loss | 0:11:50 | 0:11:52 | |
and debilitating migraines were having a direct impact on his job. | 0:11:52 | 0:11:56 | |
These developments came as a complete shock | 0:11:56 | 0:12:00 | |
both to Paul and to Denise. | 0:12:00 | 0:12:01 | |
When Paul was in that kind of situation, because he just... | 0:12:01 | 0:12:05 | |
"I can't drive today." And Paul will always drive. | 0:12:05 | 0:12:10 | |
Over the following months, Paul continued to work, | 0:12:10 | 0:12:13 | |
but things were about to get much worse. | 0:12:13 | 0:12:17 | |
I'd been at work all day and I came home | 0:12:17 | 0:12:21 | |
and Paul was sat on the settee and he just kind of... | 0:12:21 | 0:12:26 | |
As I walked in, he looked really startled, | 0:12:26 | 0:12:29 | |
as though a stranger had just walked into the house. | 0:12:29 | 0:12:32 | |
It was all very quick, but there was just that moment | 0:12:32 | 0:12:36 | |
where he really didn't know who I was walking into our own home. | 0:12:36 | 0:12:40 | |
So that...that was really quite a scary moment. | 0:12:40 | 0:12:43 | |
It was a very upsetting moment | 0:12:43 | 0:12:45 | |
because it was when I kind of realised | 0:12:45 | 0:12:48 | |
how bad things were for him. | 0:12:48 | 0:12:50 | |
I started asking myself... "What's wrong?" | 0:12:52 | 0:12:57 | |
The mystery illness had pulled the rug from under Paul's feet. | 0:12:57 | 0:13:02 | |
I've come to Chesterfield to hear more about the impact it was | 0:13:02 | 0:13:05 | |
having on his day-to-day life. | 0:13:05 | 0:13:08 | |
So you were feeling huge frustration. | 0:13:08 | 0:13:10 | |
My migraines would... would basically... | 0:13:10 | 0:13:14 | |
I could manage it and I could still work. | 0:13:14 | 0:13:17 | |
The pains in my right...on my left side actually put me laid down. | 0:13:17 | 0:13:24 | |
I couldn't physically...get up to go to work. I literally couldn't move. | 0:13:24 | 0:13:30 | |
The pain was so immense. | 0:13:30 | 0:13:33 | |
But it wasn't just the pain and the memory loss they had to cope with. | 0:13:33 | 0:13:38 | |
The boys were noticing a difference in Paul. | 0:13:38 | 0:13:41 | |
They were noticing that he was far...less with it, you know. | 0:13:41 | 0:13:47 | |
Sometimes when they were asking him things Paul was quite vacant | 0:13:47 | 0:13:51 | |
and vague in his answering of their questions. | 0:13:51 | 0:13:56 | |
And things soon went from bad to worse. | 0:13:56 | 0:13:59 | |
There was more kind of aggression, as well, you know. | 0:13:59 | 0:14:04 | |
Not towards us, but out of frustration. | 0:14:04 | 0:14:08 | |
It was quite scary for Paul, I'm sure. | 0:14:08 | 0:14:11 | |
But it was also quite scary for us | 0:14:11 | 0:14:13 | |
because we didn't know what was going on at all. | 0:14:13 | 0:14:16 | |
Paul struggled to get to the end of the M1 contract | 0:14:16 | 0:14:20 | |
and it was clear both to him | 0:14:20 | 0:14:21 | |
and Denise that taking the next job was out of the question. | 0:14:21 | 0:14:25 | |
It was high time they got to the bottom of what was wrong with Paul. | 0:14:25 | 0:14:29 | |
When we first went to the doctor's, he ordered an MRI scan and a CT scan. | 0:14:29 | 0:14:37 | |
When them scans come back, it showed nothing. | 0:14:37 | 0:14:42 | |
I said to him, "Do you know what's wrong with my head?" | 0:14:42 | 0:14:48 | |
"No. We may never know. We can only...sort the pain." | 0:14:48 | 0:14:53 | |
Paul continued to suffer excruciating physical pain | 0:14:53 | 0:14:57 | |
and bouts of complete memory loss. | 0:14:57 | 0:15:00 | |
He couldn't work and was becoming increasingly withdrawn. | 0:15:00 | 0:15:04 | |
During that time... I...I felt very, very ashamed. | 0:15:04 | 0:15:11 | |
I felt embarrassed because I couldn't explain to people what it was. | 0:15:11 | 0:15:16 | |
I felt...I felt a failure because I couldn't work. | 0:15:18 | 0:15:22 | |
Denise was working as a part-time hypnotherapist. | 0:15:22 | 0:15:26 | |
With just her salary coming in, the financial situation | 0:15:26 | 0:15:29 | |
was becoming a major worry. | 0:15:29 | 0:15:31 | |
How were things looking financially? | 0:15:31 | 0:15:33 | |
Very, very...bleak. | 0:15:34 | 0:15:37 | |
And we were basically fighting to keep our heads above water | 0:15:37 | 0:15:42 | |
and trying to get our way through, | 0:15:42 | 0:15:45 | |
hoping that I'm going to be at a point where I can go back to work. | 0:15:45 | 0:15:49 | |
I class myself as an old-style gentleman. I provide for my family. | 0:15:50 | 0:15:54 | |
I try to give my children better than what I got. | 0:15:54 | 0:15:58 | |
Work isn't realistic for you now. | 0:15:58 | 0:16:02 | |
-Certainly not doing the kind of work you were doing before. -No. | 0:16:02 | 0:16:05 | |
I was always looking backwards. How do I get back to work? | 0:16:05 | 0:16:08 | |
How do I get BACK to normal? | 0:16:08 | 0:16:10 | |
How do I get BACK to providing for my wife and kids? | 0:16:10 | 0:16:15 | |
How do you... How do you move forward when you're looking back? | 0:16:15 | 0:16:19 | |
What was your attitude to benefits before this happened to you? | 0:16:19 | 0:16:22 | |
It's... It is only my opinion and nobody else's, I always felt that... | 0:16:23 | 0:16:29 | |
if you had to claim something back you were a bit of a failure. | 0:16:29 | 0:16:35 | |
Did you ever consider people that were in situations | 0:16:35 | 0:16:38 | |
that were outside their control? | 0:16:38 | 0:16:41 | |
Honestly, no. I didn't put it in that perspective as such. | 0:16:41 | 0:16:47 | |
I realised that I'd got no option other than going down that road, | 0:16:47 | 0:16:53 | |
because I was...I'd got the doctors giving me a sick note. | 0:16:53 | 0:16:59 | |
We must have gone about four months of nothing, me trying to get | 0:16:59 | 0:17:03 | |
back to it, that... | 0:17:03 | 0:17:06 | |
I was admitting failure by having to go there. | 0:17:06 | 0:17:10 | |
After eight long months, Paul had to forget about his pride | 0:17:10 | 0:17:13 | |
and admit he needed help. | 0:17:13 | 0:17:15 | |
He started to claim what he was rightfully entitled to - | 0:17:15 | 0:17:18 | |
employment and support allowance. | 0:17:18 | 0:17:20 | |
I think that was one of the things that really kind of brought him | 0:17:20 | 0:17:24 | |
down even more, because he has always been proud | 0:17:24 | 0:17:29 | |
of the fact that he worked and he's not claimed. | 0:17:29 | 0:17:34 | |
He's never sort of given in at all to any illness. | 0:17:34 | 0:17:38 | |
He's just gone through it before. | 0:17:38 | 0:17:40 | |
And this was something completely new to him. | 0:17:40 | 0:17:44 | |
Even though the benefits were helping with the immediate | 0:17:44 | 0:17:47 | |
financial need, it never seemed enough. | 0:17:47 | 0:17:50 | |
The household finances were looking bleak and, | 0:17:50 | 0:17:52 | |
over the next two years, Paul started to show signs of depression. | 0:17:52 | 0:17:56 | |
We'll see later how a new member of the family changed everything. | 0:17:58 | 0:18:03 | |
His mood lifted. It lifted no end. | 0:18:04 | 0:18:07 | |
You could see it in his face, definitely, | 0:18:07 | 0:18:09 | |
he was a happier person to be around, completely. | 0:18:09 | 0:18:13 | |
Now, from those in need of help to those who abuse the very same | 0:18:17 | 0:18:21 | |
system to take money they are not entitled to. | 0:18:21 | 0:18:24 | |
We all want to see fraudsters get their comeuppance, but while | 0:18:24 | 0:18:28 | |
a prison sentence sends a very strong message, | 0:18:28 | 0:18:31 | |
if they've made money from what they've done, | 0:18:31 | 0:18:33 | |
well, it doesn't seem fair that they should keep it. | 0:18:33 | 0:18:37 | |
That's when the Proceeds Of Crime Act comes into play. | 0:18:37 | 0:18:41 | |
The Proceeds Of Crime Act 2002 was brought into play particularly | 0:18:41 | 0:18:46 | |
to deprive criminals of the assets that they have | 0:18:46 | 0:18:49 | |
gained as a result of their offending behaviour - | 0:18:49 | 0:18:51 | |
such as houses, property, land, vehicles, jewellery, money - | 0:18:51 | 0:18:56 | |
away from people who have committed offences. | 0:18:56 | 0:18:59 | |
We're going to take a look at how the fraud investigators | 0:18:59 | 0:19:02 | |
have been working hard to take back the money these criminals | 0:19:02 | 0:19:05 | |
have stolen from you and me, the taxpayer. | 0:19:05 | 0:19:07 | |
Meet Kelly Goatley. | 0:19:09 | 0:19:11 | |
She first approached the council back in 2000, | 0:19:11 | 0:19:14 | |
stating she was pregnant, homeless and in need of a council property. | 0:19:14 | 0:19:19 | |
The council considered her application and because of her age - | 0:19:19 | 0:19:22 | |
she was only 18 at the time - and the pregnancy, | 0:19:22 | 0:19:26 | |
she was considered to be in high priority need to be housed. | 0:19:26 | 0:19:29 | |
The council granted her social housing, a one-bed | 0:19:29 | 0:19:33 | |
Georgian terrace in a rather desirable part of west London, | 0:19:33 | 0:19:36 | |
at a rent of just £440 per month. | 0:19:36 | 0:19:39 | |
But 11 years later, some worrying information came to light. | 0:19:39 | 0:19:43 | |
John Noble, of Westminster Council, was on her tail. | 0:19:43 | 0:19:47 | |
At the end of January 2011, | 0:19:47 | 0:19:49 | |
we received an anonymous call via the council's fraud hotline, | 0:19:49 | 0:19:53 | |
alleging that Miss Goatley | 0:19:53 | 0:19:55 | |
wasn't actually living at her council property. | 0:19:55 | 0:19:58 | |
On the basis of the allegation, I carried out some background checks. | 0:19:58 | 0:20:02 | |
To all intents and purposes it looked as though Kelly was still there. | 0:20:02 | 0:20:06 | |
There was no information that she'd moved elsewhere. | 0:20:06 | 0:20:09 | |
Nothing to say that she'd told the council she'd moved out. | 0:20:09 | 0:20:12 | |
Nothing to say that she'd sought permission to have lodgers | 0:20:12 | 0:20:16 | |
or subtenants in the property. | 0:20:16 | 0:20:17 | |
But John needed to find out if this anonymous tip-off held any weight, | 0:20:19 | 0:20:23 | |
so he paid Miss Goatley a visit. | 0:20:23 | 0:20:27 | |
In early February 2011, | 0:20:27 | 0:20:28 | |
myself and a colleague actually visited | 0:20:28 | 0:20:30 | |
the property in Gloucester Terrace, knocked on the door | 0:20:30 | 0:20:33 | |
and we were admitted into the property by a young Spanish couple. | 0:20:33 | 0:20:36 | |
They told us that they were | 0:20:36 | 0:20:38 | |
renting the property from a landlady named Kelly Goatley, | 0:20:38 | 0:20:40 | |
and they actually showed us a copy of a tenancy agreement. | 0:20:40 | 0:20:44 | |
As far as they were concerned, they were paying the full market rate | 0:20:44 | 0:20:47 | |
for the property, and they were renting from a genuine landlord. | 0:20:47 | 0:20:50 | |
They were doing nothing wrong. They were just innocent victims here. | 0:20:50 | 0:20:54 | |
It turned out that Kelly had been letting out the property | 0:20:54 | 0:20:57 | |
over the years for between £1,200 and £1,400 a month. | 0:20:57 | 0:21:01 | |
John and his team got straight into action. | 0:21:02 | 0:21:05 | |
We instructed the estate office to commence civil recovery action | 0:21:05 | 0:21:10 | |
to get the property back, to formally evict Miss Goatley so that | 0:21:10 | 0:21:14 | |
the property could be reallocated to someone in genuine need. | 0:21:14 | 0:21:17 | |
It was time for Kelly to do some explaining, | 0:21:17 | 0:21:20 | |
so John got her in for an interview under caution. | 0:21:20 | 0:21:24 | |
Miss Goatley denied that she had sublet the property | 0:21:24 | 0:21:26 | |
purely for profit or personal gain. | 0:21:26 | 0:21:29 | |
She denied that she'd been living at an alternative address | 0:21:29 | 0:21:32 | |
throughout the entire period. | 0:21:32 | 0:21:34 | |
Following the interview with Miss Goatley, a review of the further | 0:21:34 | 0:21:37 | |
evidence that she had provided to support her claim, it was decided | 0:21:37 | 0:21:41 | |
that we had enough evidence to take the matter forward to prosecute. | 0:21:41 | 0:21:45 | |
So I put together a prosecution file. | 0:21:45 | 0:21:48 | |
Despite her protestations of innocence, | 0:21:48 | 0:21:51 | |
John and his team had enough hard evidence to take Goatley to court. | 0:21:51 | 0:21:55 | |
And by the time the date came round, she had decided to come clean. | 0:21:55 | 0:21:59 | |
Miss Goatley was summonsed to court | 0:21:59 | 0:22:01 | |
and entered guilty pleas for both offences. | 0:22:01 | 0:22:03 | |
In July 2012, she was sentenced to nine months in prison | 0:22:03 | 0:22:07 | |
for each offence, suspended for two years. | 0:22:07 | 0:22:09 | |
She was also ordered to carry out 140 hours of unpaid community work | 0:22:09 | 0:22:13 | |
as well as being handed a curfew between 10pm and 7am for two months. | 0:22:13 | 0:22:20 | |
She was also ordered to pay £2,000 towards prosecution costs. | 0:22:20 | 0:22:24 | |
It was a great result for Westminster Council, | 0:22:26 | 0:22:29 | |
but the investigations team weren't about to stop there. | 0:22:29 | 0:22:32 | |
What about the profit she'd made over the last 11 years? | 0:22:32 | 0:22:36 | |
She had paid the council £440 a month for the flat, | 0:22:36 | 0:22:40 | |
but she'd rented it out for up to £1,400. | 0:22:40 | 0:22:43 | |
That was a cool profit of £960 a month. | 0:22:43 | 0:22:47 | |
The Proceeds Of Crime Act provides that fraud investigators | 0:22:50 | 0:22:54 | |
can seek to recover all profits from criminal activity, | 0:22:54 | 0:22:56 | |
and the team at Westminster wanted what was rightfully theirs. | 0:22:56 | 0:23:00 | |
On the same day as the sentencing, the council applied for | 0:23:02 | 0:23:05 | |
a confiscation order to seek to recover as much as possible of the money that | 0:23:05 | 0:23:09 | |
Miss Goatley had fraudulently obtained through subletting her property. | 0:23:09 | 0:23:13 | |
Kelly was ordered to declare all of her assets, | 0:23:13 | 0:23:16 | |
and it was up to John to work out just how much she'd swindled. | 0:23:16 | 0:23:19 | |
Where possible, we'd always seek to recover the value of the fraud, | 0:23:19 | 0:23:26 | |
so we'd try to identify any assets, | 0:23:26 | 0:23:28 | |
whether that's undeclared savings, undeclared bank accounts, | 0:23:28 | 0:23:32 | |
other assets that could be sold to pay the council back the loss. | 0:23:32 | 0:23:37 | |
The team started digging around in her bank accounts, | 0:23:38 | 0:23:41 | |
trying to find evidence of any assets, but getting Kelly | 0:23:41 | 0:23:45 | |
to declare everything and cough up wasn't going to be easy. | 0:23:45 | 0:23:48 | |
During the course of the investigation, | 0:23:50 | 0:23:52 | |
I had become aware that Miss Goatley had a bank account that she | 0:23:52 | 0:23:55 | |
hadn't declared, so I focused my attention on trying to determine | 0:23:55 | 0:23:58 | |
whether there was money in that account that we could seize. | 0:23:58 | 0:24:01 | |
Just days before Miss Goatley's first court appearance, | 0:24:01 | 0:24:04 | |
approximately £11,000 had been withdrawn from that account. | 0:24:04 | 0:24:08 | |
Clearly this indicated that Miss Goatley may well have been | 0:24:08 | 0:24:11 | |
attempting to hide proceeds of her criminal activity. | 0:24:11 | 0:24:15 | |
Not only had Kelly illegally made huge profits over the years, she was | 0:24:17 | 0:24:21 | |
now trying to hide her cash to avoid paying back a single penny of it. | 0:24:21 | 0:24:25 | |
And she wasn't doing herself any favours with the fraud team. | 0:24:25 | 0:24:29 | |
With a lack of any assets or proof of cash anywhere, | 0:24:29 | 0:24:32 | |
John had to claim for the cash he knew had been | 0:24:32 | 0:24:36 | |
in her undeclared bank account just days before sentencing. | 0:24:36 | 0:24:39 | |
The judge ordered that Miss Goatley should repay the council | 0:24:39 | 0:24:43 | |
under a compensation order a total of £10,774. | 0:24:43 | 0:24:46 | |
Currently, Miss Goatley hasn't paid a penny | 0:24:48 | 0:24:50 | |
towards this confiscation order. | 0:24:50 | 0:24:53 | |
If she fails to do so, and fails to pay it in full by 30 September 2013, | 0:24:53 | 0:24:58 | |
she will face six months in prison | 0:24:58 | 0:25:01 | |
and still be liable to pay the full amount of the confiscation order. | 0:25:01 | 0:25:05 | |
At the end of the day, Westminster will not tolerate the illegal | 0:25:07 | 0:25:10 | |
subletting of council properties, | 0:25:10 | 0:25:12 | |
particularly by those individuals looking to make a quick profit | 0:25:12 | 0:25:15 | |
at the expense of those in genuine need of social housing. | 0:25:15 | 0:25:18 | |
So, Miss Goatley faces some stark choices. | 0:25:18 | 0:25:21 | |
Maybe she'll do the right thing and pay up. | 0:25:21 | 0:25:24 | |
It's time to leave the deceitful world of fakes and frauds, | 0:25:36 | 0:25:40 | |
and turn our attention to people that need the welfare state. | 0:25:40 | 0:25:43 | |
Paul Kay lost his job and his confidence | 0:25:45 | 0:25:48 | |
when he suddenly developed severe headaches and memory loss. | 0:25:48 | 0:25:51 | |
His condition remained undiagnosed, | 0:25:51 | 0:25:53 | |
and his prospect of finding work again was looking slim. | 0:25:53 | 0:25:56 | |
I'm very, very frustrated, because I want to know what's wrong with me. | 0:25:58 | 0:26:03 | |
I want to know what's been hurting me for three and a half years. | 0:26:03 | 0:26:07 | |
Paul had been forced to leave work, and reluctantly claim | 0:26:08 | 0:26:11 | |
employment and support allowance to help pay the bills. | 0:26:11 | 0:26:15 | |
Paul was starting to show signs of depression, | 0:26:15 | 0:26:17 | |
and his long-term partner Denise was desperate for ideas that might | 0:26:17 | 0:26:21 | |
improve a very difficult situation. | 0:26:21 | 0:26:23 | |
With Paul being so poorly, | 0:26:25 | 0:26:28 | |
I just suggested that we think about getting a puppy. | 0:26:28 | 0:26:32 | |
We had always said we would like a dog at some stage, | 0:26:32 | 0:26:36 | |
but when Paul was working, we felt that it wasn't fair to have | 0:26:36 | 0:26:43 | |
a dog if it was going to be left alone a lot. | 0:26:43 | 0:26:46 | |
Paul's lifelong love of dogs had triggered the idea to get | 0:26:48 | 0:26:51 | |
an addition to the household, a springer spaniel pup. | 0:26:51 | 0:26:55 | |
So, Denise, out of the blue into your lives drops Woody. | 0:26:55 | 0:27:00 | |
And what effect does that springer spaniel have on Paul? | 0:27:00 | 0:27:05 | |
It brought this interest back. | 0:27:05 | 0:27:07 | |
It brought a bit of spark back to his personality. | 0:27:07 | 0:27:10 | |
He went from being very down in the dumps to having a purpose again. | 0:27:10 | 0:27:15 | |
He was teaching his dog, our dog, how to be an obedient | 0:27:15 | 0:27:19 | |
and loving family pet. | 0:27:19 | 0:27:23 | |
And he really did kind of work out a kind of programme, if you like, of | 0:27:23 | 0:27:27 | |
how he was going to train Woody, and that was quite impressive, as well. | 0:27:27 | 0:27:32 | |
I love training dogs. I've had dogs all my life. | 0:27:32 | 0:27:34 | |
Each day gave me a new challenge to deal with Woody. | 0:27:34 | 0:27:41 | |
And I thoroughly threw myself into them challenges. | 0:27:43 | 0:27:47 | |
Woody, look at me. | 0:27:47 | 0:27:50 | |
Paul was still frustrated he was not able to work | 0:27:52 | 0:27:55 | |
and was forced to claim benefits, but Woody was suddenly bringing | 0:27:55 | 0:27:58 | |
an overwhelming degree of structure and positivity into his life. | 0:27:58 | 0:28:02 | |
He'd always had a passion for dogs, | 0:28:02 | 0:28:05 | |
and his father had taught him how to train them when he was younger. | 0:28:05 | 0:28:08 | |
This gave Denise an idea. | 0:28:08 | 0:28:09 | |
So when did this start turning into an idea for a new direction, | 0:28:11 | 0:28:16 | |
a new career for Paul? | 0:28:16 | 0:28:18 | |
Sometimes I would take Woody to the local park, and often if we were out | 0:28:18 | 0:28:25 | |
in the park, people would comment to me on how well-behaved he was. | 0:28:25 | 0:28:31 | |
Because he was still quite a young pup. | 0:28:31 | 0:28:33 | |
People would say, "Oh, he's so good." | 0:28:33 | 0:28:36 | |
And I would say, "I can't take credit for it. | 0:28:36 | 0:28:39 | |
"It's not me, it's Paul." And then it sort of began to take over | 0:28:39 | 0:28:44 | |
a little bit in my head about the fact that, | 0:28:44 | 0:28:47 | |
if he can do so well with our dog, perhaps that's | 0:28:47 | 0:28:50 | |
something that he could get into and earn a bit of money from. | 0:28:50 | 0:28:54 | |
On their next routine trip to the job centre, | 0:28:56 | 0:28:58 | |
Paul and Denise mentioned it to the adviser, | 0:28:58 | 0:29:01 | |
who thought it sounded like a great idea. | 0:29:01 | 0:29:03 | |
The couple were put in touch with an organisation called | 0:29:05 | 0:29:08 | |
Disability Dynamics, who specialise in offering support for disabled | 0:29:08 | 0:29:13 | |
and disadvantaged people through business start-up programmes. | 0:29:13 | 0:29:17 | |
Paul was assigned business adviser Nicky Tomlinson-Murphy. | 0:29:17 | 0:29:21 | |
When I first met Paul, he was really low, really down. | 0:29:21 | 0:29:25 | |
A guy who'd always worked, always had a really good job, | 0:29:25 | 0:29:29 | |
and now he was in a situation where he was at home and not being | 0:29:29 | 0:29:32 | |
able to support that family, which is a huge thing, absolutely huge. | 0:29:32 | 0:29:36 | |
And it was just, you know, let's have a look at what we can do and | 0:29:36 | 0:29:39 | |
start and build his confidence again, because he thought he was worthless. | 0:29:39 | 0:29:45 | |
I'm sure he thought, "I don't want to be like this, but what can I do?" | 0:29:45 | 0:29:51 | |
Nicky specialises in helping disadvantaged people | 0:29:51 | 0:29:54 | |
set up their own businesses. | 0:29:54 | 0:29:56 | |
And with her knowledge and support, there was | 0:29:56 | 0:29:58 | |
a real possibility that Paul's business plan | 0:29:58 | 0:30:01 | |
could become a reality. | 0:30:01 | 0:30:03 | |
I thought Paul would be successful with his business idea | 0:30:03 | 0:30:06 | |
because of his passion that he had, um, for the dog training. | 0:30:06 | 0:30:10 | |
Um, and as... You know, | 0:30:10 | 0:30:12 | |
it is something that he's already been involved in, | 0:30:12 | 0:30:15 | |
from being a young boy. | 0:30:15 | 0:30:17 | |
At the end of the day, he had all the knowledge | 0:30:17 | 0:30:19 | |
and he just needed that support and someone to give him the confidence | 0:30:19 | 0:30:24 | |
to help him move it forward. | 0:30:24 | 0:30:26 | |
Helping Paul was made easier for me, from the perspective that we share | 0:30:26 | 0:30:31 | |
'a passion for animals.' | 0:30:31 | 0:30:33 | |
Sit down then. Sit down. Great. | 0:30:33 | 0:30:34 | |
Sit down. Sit. | 0:30:34 | 0:30:36 | |
Mine are not as well-behaved as Paul's. | 0:30:38 | 0:30:41 | |
Hey, good fella. | 0:30:41 | 0:30:43 | |
Because I'd been out of self-employment | 0:30:43 | 0:30:46 | |
for 3½ years, | 0:30:46 | 0:30:49 | |
Nicky explained to me the other things that I needed to do. | 0:30:49 | 0:30:53 | |
And one of the first things she tackled was getting | 0:30:53 | 0:30:55 | |
Paul off employment and support allowance, | 0:30:55 | 0:30:58 | |
something HE was determined not to claim. | 0:30:58 | 0:31:01 | |
In Paul's situation, we were able to help him | 0:31:01 | 0:31:04 | |
compile his business plan for the forthcoming year, | 0:31:04 | 0:31:07 | |
which enabled him to apply for | 0:31:07 | 0:31:09 | |
a return to work credit with the Jobcentre. | 0:31:09 | 0:31:12 | |
Not only that, Nicky secured him a £2,000 grant, | 0:31:12 | 0:31:17 | |
a much-needed cash injection that Paul could spend on | 0:31:17 | 0:31:20 | |
equipment he needed to start up his new dog-training enterprise. | 0:31:20 | 0:31:24 | |
In conjunction to the return to work credit, | 0:31:24 | 0:31:29 | |
I was also able to put him in touch with a local organisation that, | 0:31:29 | 0:31:33 | |
at that time, was providing grant money to help start-up businesses. | 0:31:33 | 0:31:37 | |
And that helped him get some equipment | 0:31:37 | 0:31:40 | |
and get his marketing materials printed up. | 0:31:40 | 0:31:43 | |
Did you start to see a change in him? | 0:31:43 | 0:31:46 | |
Once he started to focus on | 0:31:46 | 0:31:48 | |
the possibility of getting his own business going - | 0:31:48 | 0:31:51 | |
dog training - his mood lifted. It lifted no end. | 0:31:51 | 0:31:54 | |
He was much more pleasant to be around again. | 0:31:54 | 0:31:58 | |
In June 2012, | 0:32:00 | 0:32:01 | |
with some help from Nicky, Paul was able to follow his dream. | 0:32:01 | 0:32:05 | |
Four years after he'd been forced to stop work, | 0:32:05 | 0:32:08 | |
he opened up his own business - Chesterfield Dog Training. | 0:32:08 | 0:32:11 | |
From the first time that I saw Paul - | 0:32:13 | 0:32:15 | |
as I mentioned, he was head in his hands - | 0:32:15 | 0:32:19 | |
always used to meet me... | 0:32:19 | 0:32:21 | |
when I went to see him, it was always Paul and Denise. | 0:32:21 | 0:32:23 | |
Um, but now, | 0:32:23 | 0:32:25 | |
you know, I'll ring up and say, | 0:32:25 | 0:32:27 | |
"Right, Paul, we need to have a catch-up." | 0:32:27 | 0:32:29 | |
"Yeah, when are you coming, Nicky? | 0:32:29 | 0:32:30 | |
"I'll get the kettle on. Me and Woody'll be here." | 0:32:30 | 0:32:32 | |
Um, and it's just Paul now, you know? | 0:32:32 | 0:32:35 | |
So, right from the beginning, it was always Paul and Denise, | 0:32:35 | 0:32:39 | |
whereas now, he's got his confidence | 0:32:39 | 0:32:41 | |
and it's just the two of us now in a meeting. | 0:32:41 | 0:32:44 | |
And just to see him... Oh, he's such a changed person. | 0:32:44 | 0:32:47 | |
He really is a changed person and he's full of enthusiasm. | 0:32:47 | 0:32:51 | |
And that's great to see. It's fantastic to see. | 0:32:51 | 0:32:54 | |
Makes my job just so worthwhile. | 0:32:54 | 0:32:57 | |
'I've popped along to see him in action | 0:32:57 | 0:32:59 | |
'with one of his regular clients, Christina.' | 0:32:59 | 0:33:02 | |
-So this is the business? -It certainly is. | 0:33:02 | 0:33:05 | |
This beats the motorway for sure. | 0:33:05 | 0:33:06 | |
There you go, Christina. | 0:33:08 | 0:33:09 | |
If we do it like we said. Walk out... | 0:33:09 | 0:33:11 | |
'Paul specialises in training gun dogs. | 0:33:11 | 0:33:14 | |
'He focuses on training the owners as well as the dogs | 0:33:14 | 0:33:17 | |
'and he already has dozens of clients.' | 0:33:17 | 0:33:20 | |
The only question is, how you've not ended up doing this from the start? | 0:33:21 | 0:33:27 | |
I mean, this is your natural environment, isn't it, Paul? | 0:33:27 | 0:33:29 | |
It's my love. It's my passion. | 0:33:29 | 0:33:32 | |
Never ever did I dream that one day I would be stood in | 0:33:32 | 0:33:37 | |
this environment, laughing and smiling about work! | 0:33:37 | 0:33:41 | |
You know, | 0:33:41 | 0:33:42 | |
I don't know whether you believe in destiny, or things like that, | 0:33:42 | 0:33:46 | |
but to be stood here on this hillside, | 0:33:46 | 0:33:48 | |
you know, with that dog of yours, it almost makes you feel like | 0:33:48 | 0:33:51 | |
something was meant to change at some point to allow you to do this. | 0:33:51 | 0:33:55 | |
All I'm pleased about is that now, | 0:33:55 | 0:33:57 | |
through help from Disability Dynamics, | 0:33:57 | 0:34:00 | |
my health's getting better, my pain is still there at times, | 0:34:00 | 0:34:04 | |
but who can't feel nice when they're up here? | 0:34:04 | 0:34:08 | |
'The person that made all of this possible has also come along | 0:34:09 | 0:34:12 | |
'to see Paul in action.' | 0:34:12 | 0:34:14 | |
-Hi, Matt, nice to meet you. All right? -Is it warm enough for you? | 0:34:15 | 0:34:18 | |
It's a little bit warm today, isn't it? | 0:34:18 | 0:34:20 | |
-What do you think of that, what he's doing over there? -Oh, fantastic. | 0:34:20 | 0:34:23 | |
Absolutely fantastic. | 0:34:23 | 0:34:25 | |
For you, I mean, it's as much your dream and your career | 0:34:25 | 0:34:29 | |
that's tied up in this as it is Paul being able to do what he can. | 0:34:29 | 0:34:34 | |
From initially meeting Paul to seeing what he's doing now, | 0:34:34 | 0:34:37 | |
it's just amazing. | 0:34:37 | 0:34:38 | |
As you can see, off he goes, tail wagging. | 0:34:38 | 0:34:42 | |
CHRISTINA WHISTLES | 0:34:43 | 0:34:44 | |
And...come running back. | 0:34:44 | 0:34:47 | |
And presenting it nicely. Lovely. | 0:34:48 | 0:34:51 | |
-DENISE: -'I think Paul is much happier in life now.' | 0:34:51 | 0:34:55 | |
He certainly seems it. | 0:34:55 | 0:34:57 | |
He... | 0:34:57 | 0:34:59 | |
He just really seems to be a different person again. | 0:34:59 | 0:35:05 | |
I've seen him working | 0:35:05 | 0:35:06 | |
and you can tell he absolutely throws himself into it. He loves it. | 0:35:06 | 0:35:11 | |
'I'm so privileged' | 0:35:11 | 0:35:13 | |
to be at the position now where I enjoy my family. | 0:35:13 | 0:35:17 | |
I enjoy my friends again. | 0:35:17 | 0:35:20 | |
I had to go through | 0:35:20 | 0:35:21 | |
to be able to get to this stage of my life where I am now. | 0:35:21 | 0:35:25 | |
Paul had a job that he thought defined him. | 0:35:32 | 0:35:34 | |
He was good at it and he enjoyed it. | 0:35:34 | 0:35:37 | |
But then, along came the diagnosis | 0:35:37 | 0:35:39 | |
which meant he wasn't going to be doing that job any more. | 0:35:39 | 0:35:43 | |
It almost broke him. But now, with a lot of help, | 0:35:43 | 0:35:47 | |
he's in a much better place. | 0:35:47 | 0:35:48 | |
Time now to return to the deceitful world of our greedy scroungers. | 0:35:53 | 0:35:57 | |
Worthing Council fraud investigators | 0:35:59 | 0:36:02 | |
are looking into the case of Jacqueline Fox. | 0:36:02 | 0:36:05 | |
On her claim forms, she purported to be a single mother | 0:36:06 | 0:36:09 | |
raising three kids, needing support from the council and the DWP. | 0:36:09 | 0:36:13 | |
But the investigators received a tip-off alleging that | 0:36:13 | 0:36:17 | |
her partner, who'd left the house in 2003, had moved back in. | 0:36:17 | 0:36:22 | |
We don't consider this to be a mistake because she's signed | 0:36:22 | 0:36:25 | |
a declaration saying she's given the true and complete facts. | 0:36:25 | 0:36:29 | |
Over a period of seven years, she'd claimed | 0:36:29 | 0:36:31 | |
around £67,000 in benefits from the Department for Work and Pensions | 0:36:31 | 0:36:35 | |
and Worthing Council. | 0:36:35 | 0:36:38 | |
but the team had already discovered two things. | 0:36:38 | 0:36:40 | |
Firstly, that her | 0:36:40 | 0:36:41 | |
supposedly ex-partner's wages were going into her bank account | 0:36:41 | 0:36:45 | |
and that she'd bought him a car, | 0:36:45 | 0:36:48 | |
which was registered at her address. | 0:36:48 | 0:36:50 | |
Now they needed to find proof that the tip-off held weight | 0:36:50 | 0:36:53 | |
and that her partner had moved back in with Jacqueline. | 0:36:53 | 0:36:57 | |
Dave and his team had enough evidence to justify a raid. | 0:36:57 | 0:37:00 | |
So they immediately drafted in the police. | 0:37:00 | 0:37:02 | |
We tend to get the police involved when we have a potentially | 0:37:02 | 0:37:04 | |
serious benefit fraud which involves a large amount of public funds. | 0:37:04 | 0:37:09 | |
And the police have, obviously, a power of arrest | 0:37:09 | 0:37:12 | |
and a power of search which assists us greatly. | 0:37:12 | 0:37:16 | |
In June 2011, police and Worthing Council | 0:37:18 | 0:37:21 | |
conducted an early morning raid at Ms Fox's house. | 0:37:21 | 0:37:25 | |
We were hoping that we would find | 0:37:25 | 0:37:27 | |
further documentational evidence within the house. | 0:37:27 | 0:37:29 | |
The raid was the only chance the team had | 0:37:29 | 0:37:32 | |
of getting hold of hard evidence | 0:37:32 | 0:37:34 | |
that Jacqueline's partner lived with her | 0:37:34 | 0:37:36 | |
and brought an income into the household. | 0:37:36 | 0:37:38 | |
Police and benefit officers attended this address, knocked on the door | 0:37:38 | 0:37:45 | |
the door was answered by the alleged partner in his pyjamas, | 0:37:45 | 0:37:50 | |
who to the officer said, "I'm only visiting." | 0:37:50 | 0:37:53 | |
So, Ms Fox's partner denied living there, | 0:37:53 | 0:37:56 | |
despite being in his pyjamas. | 0:37:56 | 0:38:00 | |
Police immediately found what they were looking for. | 0:38:00 | 0:38:03 | |
The raid was very successful. | 0:38:03 | 0:38:04 | |
Photographs were taken of the evidence. | 0:38:04 | 0:38:06 | |
Certain documents were seized | 0:38:06 | 0:38:07 | |
and there were photographs within the house, | 0:38:07 | 0:38:09 | |
men's clothing in the wardrobe - | 0:38:09 | 0:38:12 | |
plenty of instances of male occupation in the house. | 0:38:12 | 0:38:16 | |
Well, we were very happy with... It was a multi-agency raid. | 0:38:16 | 0:38:21 | |
The police, the Department for Work and Pensions | 0:38:21 | 0:38:23 | |
and ourselves raided the property | 0:38:23 | 0:38:25 | |
and found exactly what we expected to find, | 0:38:25 | 0:38:28 | |
which is two people living together and breaking the benefit rules. | 0:38:28 | 0:38:32 | |
If it wasn't enough proof that her partner answered the door, | 0:38:32 | 0:38:36 | |
they also found Jacqueline's partner's passport | 0:38:36 | 0:38:39 | |
and other documentation, | 0:38:39 | 0:38:40 | |
which proved he'd been living there permanently. | 0:38:40 | 0:38:43 | |
With overwhelming evidence, | 0:38:43 | 0:38:45 | |
Jacqueline Fox and her partner were arrested. | 0:38:45 | 0:38:47 | |
It was about time that Jacqueline explained herself | 0:38:47 | 0:38:50 | |
and Dave got her straight in for an interview under caution. | 0:38:50 | 0:38:54 | |
At the police station, both parties where interviewed by benefit offices. | 0:38:54 | 0:38:58 | |
Mrs Fox basically denied the allegation | 0:38:58 | 0:39:01 | |
and made a prepared statement | 0:39:01 | 0:39:03 | |
to the effect that her partner | 0:39:03 | 0:39:06 | |
had moved out in 2003, | 0:39:06 | 0:39:09 | |
which is why she claimed the benefits. But that thereafter, | 0:39:09 | 0:39:12 | |
he had come and stayed at periods of time, | 0:39:12 | 0:39:15 | |
but she was unable to give exact dates | 0:39:15 | 0:39:17 | |
or for how long these periods of time were. | 0:39:17 | 0:39:20 | |
This explanation would have been all right | 0:39:20 | 0:39:22 | |
if there wasn't evidence already obtained, that he was living at | 0:39:22 | 0:39:25 | |
the premises permanently, and all the time. | 0:39:25 | 0:39:27 | |
So they'd proved that Jacqueline was living with her partner | 0:39:27 | 0:39:31 | |
and they knew he was working. But the team didn't stop there, | 0:39:31 | 0:39:34 | |
they'd also gathered evidence that proved | 0:39:34 | 0:39:37 | |
her financial profile just didn't add up. | 0:39:37 | 0:39:40 | |
We conducted a financial assessment of her bank accounts, | 0:39:40 | 0:39:44 | |
which showed that her expenditure | 0:39:44 | 0:39:46 | |
greatly exceeded her benefit income. | 0:39:46 | 0:39:49 | |
That suggested that she had undeclared income, | 0:39:49 | 0:39:52 | |
which she had not told us about. | 0:39:52 | 0:39:55 | |
Dave could prove she'd lied to gain benefits. | 0:39:55 | 0:39:58 | |
He had an undeclared bank account | 0:39:58 | 0:40:00 | |
with her partner's wages going into it every week, | 0:40:00 | 0:40:02 | |
a vehicle she'd bought for him, | 0:40:02 | 0:40:05 | |
registered at her address, and evidence that he lived there. | 0:40:05 | 0:40:08 | |
Now her partner was in no way involved with the actual fraud, | 0:40:08 | 0:40:12 | |
but after nine years of playing the system, | 0:40:12 | 0:40:14 | |
it was time for Jacqueline's day in court. | 0:40:14 | 0:40:17 | |
Not only did we find the evidence, | 0:40:19 | 0:40:22 | |
not only did we have a successful raid, | 0:40:22 | 0:40:25 | |
but we convinced Mrs Fox that she should plead guilty in court | 0:40:25 | 0:40:31 | |
and therefore save a great deal of money in the prosecution. | 0:40:31 | 0:40:35 | |
She was convinced that we had the evidence against her. | 0:40:35 | 0:40:40 | |
In May 2012, Jacqueline Fox pleaded guilty to | 0:40:40 | 0:40:43 | |
seven counts of benefit fraud. | 0:40:43 | 0:40:46 | |
The judge sentenced Mrs Fox to 52 weeks in prison | 0:40:48 | 0:40:52 | |
but suspended it for two years on condition that she | 0:40:52 | 0:40:55 | |
completed 120 hours' community work. | 0:40:55 | 0:40:58 | |
But what about all the money that she'd fraudulently claimed? | 0:40:58 | 0:41:02 | |
Nine years of cheating the system meant that Jacqueline Fox | 0:41:02 | 0:41:05 | |
ended up being ordered to pay back a whopping £65,000 | 0:41:05 | 0:41:09 | |
to the Department for Work and Pensions and Worthing Council. | 0:41:09 | 0:41:13 | |
And they didn't stop there. | 0:41:14 | 0:41:16 | |
She was also forced to pay £9,000 for court costs. | 0:41:16 | 0:41:19 | |
It was a great result. | 0:41:19 | 0:41:22 | |
Fox had been caught out. There was only one way | 0:41:22 | 0:41:25 | |
she could pay up. She had to sell her house. | 0:41:25 | 0:41:28 | |
The fraud team at Worthing once again sprung into action. | 0:41:28 | 0:41:32 | |
The council were going to apply for a confiscation order | 0:41:32 | 0:41:35 | |
so that Mrs Fox could not sell her house without the monies | 0:41:35 | 0:41:39 | |
being repaid to the necessary authorities. | 0:41:39 | 0:41:40 | |
However it was established that she already had the house on the market, | 0:41:40 | 0:41:44 | |
so rather than do a confiscation order, | 0:41:44 | 0:41:47 | |
a block was put on the Land Registry, | 0:41:47 | 0:41:49 | |
which means that she could not sell the house without first paying | 0:41:49 | 0:41:54 | |
the Department of Work and Pensions and the council back the monies | 0:41:54 | 0:41:58 | |
from the proceeds. | 0:41:58 | 0:42:00 | |
It can take up to ten years to get the money back in some cases | 0:42:00 | 0:42:03 | |
because the people we're trying to | 0:42:03 | 0:42:05 | |
get it back from haven't got that much. | 0:42:05 | 0:42:09 | |
She repaid the Department for Work and Pensions | 0:42:09 | 0:42:11 | |
over £59,000 and the council in excess of £7,000. | 0:42:11 | 0:42:15 | |
So having ensured Ms Fox couldn't run off with | 0:42:15 | 0:42:18 | |
the proceeds of her house sale, | 0:42:18 | 0:42:19 | |
Worthing's fraud team and the Department for Work and Pensions | 0:42:19 | 0:42:22 | |
got back every single penny that she'd fraudulently claimed. | 0:42:22 | 0:42:27 | |
'I would say it's a very dangerous game to play. | 0:42:27 | 0:42:31 | |
'We have huge amounts of information coming in to us | 0:42:31 | 0:42:36 | |
'and I don't think many people get away with it.' | 0:42:36 | 0:42:39 | |
You will pay a heavy price for trying to cheat the Government. | 0:42:39 | 0:42:43 | |
So, the "fantastic" Mrs Fox wasn't cunning enough to escape | 0:42:44 | 0:42:49 | |
the fraud investigators. | 0:42:49 | 0:42:50 | |
They tracked her down and forced her to repay every penny | 0:42:50 | 0:42:55 | |
she owed back into the public purse. | 0:42:55 | 0:42:57 | |
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