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Think about it. What would you do if you had a bad run of luck? | 0:00:02 | 0:00:05 | |
The chances are that you'd end up turning to government agencies for a bit of help. | 0:00:05 | 0:00:11 | |
I think the social welfare system is a real blessing. | 0:00:11 | 0:00:14 | |
It shouldn't be taken for granted, it shouldn't be abused. | 0:00:14 | 0:00:16 | |
My husband is disabled. Without the benefits system, we would've found things very difficult. | 0:00:16 | 0:00:21 | |
Here in the UK, millions of us need to ask for help every year | 0:00:21 | 0:00:26 | |
in the form of benefits, legal aid and healthcare. | 0:00:26 | 0:00:29 | |
But there are some people who are out there to cheat the system out of as much as they can. | 0:00:29 | 0:00:34 | |
They're cheating the people who pay into the system, the general public. | 0:00:34 | 0:00:39 | |
How are these people managing to get away with this? | 0:00:39 | 0:00:42 | |
But those people who are trying to get rich from the public purse | 0:00:42 | 0:00:45 | |
are now being sniffed out by investigators | 0:00:45 | 0:00:48 | |
who want to make sure that as much money as possible | 0:00:48 | 0:00:51 | |
is available to those who need it. | 0:00:51 | 0:00:53 | |
This is the world of Saints And Scroungers. | 0:00:53 | 0:00:57 | |
'Coming up, the scroungers who constantly try to fiddle the system. | 0:01:00 | 0:01:04 | |
'One elusive document stands in the way of proving | 0:01:04 | 0:01:06 | |
'that a widow claiming benefits is in fact married.' | 0:01:06 | 0:01:10 | |
What we really needed to prove the marriage had taken place was a copy of the marriage certificate. | 0:01:10 | 0:01:14 | |
'And an ex-footballer claiming he could barely walk | 0:01:14 | 0:01:18 | |
'turns out to have twinkle toes.' | 0:01:18 | 0:01:21 | |
Mr Lawson was regularly seen getting out and in cars, | 0:01:21 | 0:01:25 | |
carrying step ladders and loading paint tins out and in the boot of the car. | 0:01:25 | 0:01:30 | |
'Then there are those people who deserve the public's help. | 0:01:30 | 0:01:32 | |
'We meet the qualified college-leaver | 0:01:32 | 0:01:35 | |
'who struggles to find work in the economic downturn.' | 0:01:35 | 0:01:38 | |
I felt like I was never going to be able to get a job | 0:01:38 | 0:01:40 | |
and I was going to be unemployed for a long time, which was very upsetting. | 0:01:40 | 0:01:44 | |
Losing a partner after years of marriage can be incredibly tough | 0:01:50 | 0:01:54 | |
and almost the last thing you want to think about when you're grieving is paying the bills, | 0:01:54 | 0:01:59 | |
but it still has to be done. That's where benefits can help out, | 0:01:59 | 0:02:02 | |
to get you through the tough times till you're back on your feet again. | 0:02:02 | 0:02:06 | |
But one widow may have grieved a little bit too long. | 0:02:06 | 0:02:10 | |
'Meet Theresa Aldous, a loving grandmother sharing a council house | 0:02:10 | 0:02:15 | |
'with her daughter and grandchild. In 1997, | 0:02:15 | 0:02:19 | |
'her late husband, Mr Aldous, passed away, | 0:02:19 | 0:02:22 | |
'and in 2002, she started claiming benefits from the government and local council. | 0:02:22 | 0:02:27 | |
'Based in the borough of Croydon, London's second most populated borough | 0:02:27 | 0:02:31 | |
'with approximately 324,000 people, | 0:02:31 | 0:02:35 | |
'Theresa Aldous was one of many claiming a little bit of extra help. | 0:02:35 | 0:02:39 | |
'I've come to meet investigations manager David Hogan | 0:02:39 | 0:02:43 | |
'at Croydon Council's fraud department | 0:02:43 | 0:02:45 | |
'to see if there's more to it than meets the eye.' | 0:02:45 | 0:02:48 | |
-Tell me about Theresa Aldous. -When we examined our records | 0:02:48 | 0:02:51 | |
and looked at this claim, Theresa Aldous was somebody who was | 0:02:51 | 0:02:55 | |
looking to us to help her to cover her rent costs | 0:02:55 | 0:02:59 | |
with housing benefit and her council tax costs. She was also in receipt of widows' pension, | 0:02:59 | 0:03:03 | |
which she was receiving from the Department for Work and Pensions. | 0:03:03 | 0:03:06 | |
This all sounds perfectly reasonable, but I take it it's not. | 0:03:06 | 0:03:10 | |
An anonymous tip-off said she hadn't lived at the property for nearly five years | 0:03:10 | 0:03:14 | |
and that she had, in fact, remarried a Mr Martin and was living with him in his house. | 0:03:14 | 0:03:19 | |
'If the tip-off was true, | 0:03:20 | 0:03:22 | |
'it meant Aldous was committing two separate offences. | 0:03:22 | 0:03:26 | |
'Firstly, if she'd been living in Richard Martin's home since 2002, | 0:03:26 | 0:03:30 | |
'she'd been receiving housing benefit for the Aldous family home | 0:03:30 | 0:03:34 | |
'that she was not entitled to. | 0:03:34 | 0:03:36 | |
'Secondly, if four years earlier she allegedly married Richard Martin, | 0:03:36 | 0:03:41 | |
'who was in full-time employment, she would not have been entitled | 0:03:41 | 0:03:44 | |
'to the widows' pension she applied for in June 2002. | 0:03:44 | 0:03:48 | |
'If true, these were massive offences. | 0:03:49 | 0:03:52 | |
'So on 13th June 2006, | 0:03:52 | 0:03:55 | |
'David sent some colleagues to pay Aldous a visit.' | 0:03:55 | 0:03:59 | |
She told the investigators that she wasn't married to Mr Martin, | 0:03:59 | 0:04:02 | |
that they were just friends. She went on to say that | 0:04:02 | 0:04:05 | |
she does occasionally stay at his house, but that's to look after his daughter, | 0:04:05 | 0:04:09 | |
because Mr Martin wasn't very well. | 0:04:09 | 0:04:11 | |
'Theresa Aldous had been deaf since childhood, | 0:04:11 | 0:04:14 | |
'so the investigators made sure she understood everything being alleged, | 0:04:14 | 0:04:18 | |
'but Aldous was adamant that the fraud team had been given the wrong information.' | 0:04:18 | 0:04:23 | |
We decided to close the case because there wasn't sufficient evidence to support the tip-off, | 0:04:23 | 0:04:28 | |
but also, Aldous had made a written statement to us | 0:04:28 | 0:04:31 | |
that everything that she had told us at that point was true. | 0:04:31 | 0:04:34 | |
'Satisfied with the results, the team focused on other cases. | 0:04:35 | 0:04:39 | |
'But just over a year later, they received a second anonymous tip-off. | 0:04:39 | 0:04:43 | |
'The information was handed to anti-fraud officer Gail Campbell, | 0:04:44 | 0:04:48 | |
'who reopened the case.' | 0:04:48 | 0:04:50 | |
When we received a second tip-off, there was the same allegation, | 0:04:50 | 0:04:54 | |
that the marriage had taken place, but there was more information | 0:04:54 | 0:04:57 | |
that the partner had died outside the UK | 0:04:57 | 0:05:02 | |
and it gave us the details of the undertaker that was to deal with the funeral arrangements. | 0:05:02 | 0:05:07 | |
'The second tip-off alleged that Theresa Aldous and Richard Martin | 0:05:07 | 0:05:11 | |
'married on the Greek island of Crete in June 2002. | 0:05:11 | 0:05:15 | |
'But now it appeared that, sadly, Mr Martin had also died on the island | 0:05:15 | 0:05:20 | |
'in August 2006. | 0:05:20 | 0:05:23 | |
'Lots of allegations but not a lot of evidence. | 0:05:23 | 0:05:25 | |
'So Gail got in touch with the UK-based undertaker | 0:05:25 | 0:05:28 | |
'to see if there was any paperwork that might reveal Richard Martin's next of kin.' | 0:05:28 | 0:05:33 | |
The file contained a copy of the Greek death certificate, | 0:05:33 | 0:05:37 | |
the date of death was confirmed, | 0:05:37 | 0:05:39 | |
and with that death certificate, there were other documents | 0:05:39 | 0:05:42 | |
that were necessary for the body to be returned to the UK. | 0:05:42 | 0:05:46 | |
'When Gail inspected the documents more closely, | 0:05:46 | 0:05:50 | |
'she noticed that they'd been signed by a Theresa Martin, | 0:05:50 | 0:05:53 | |
'who also used Richard Martin's address as her own. | 0:05:53 | 0:05:56 | |
'Suspicious. But it still didn't prove that it was Aldous | 0:05:56 | 0:06:00 | |
'until Gail recognised a similarity to her council claims.' | 0:06:00 | 0:06:05 | |
The handwriting on the forms at the undertaker's | 0:06:05 | 0:06:08 | |
was compared to the handwriting that we saw on the benefit forms, | 0:06:08 | 0:06:12 | |
and in my opinion, it was the same handwriting. | 0:06:12 | 0:06:15 | |
The signatures were very similar, even though the names were different. | 0:06:15 | 0:06:18 | |
'So, we have Theresa Aldous, whose husband, Mr Aldous, | 0:06:18 | 0:06:22 | |
'passed away in 1997. | 0:06:22 | 0:06:24 | |
'She's claiming widows' pension as well as housing and council tax benefits | 0:06:24 | 0:06:29 | |
'to help her pay for the Aldous family home. | 0:06:29 | 0:06:31 | |
'But now we also have Theresa Martin | 0:06:31 | 0:06:34 | |
'who'd allegedly been married to and lived with Richard Martin | 0:06:34 | 0:06:38 | |
'since June 2002 | 0:06:38 | 0:06:40 | |
'and recently returned his body to the UK | 0:06:40 | 0:06:43 | |
'after he passed away in Crete in August 2006. | 0:06:43 | 0:06:46 | |
'If Aldous and Martin were the same woman, | 0:06:46 | 0:06:50 | |
'then she'd lost two husbands in nine years, | 0:06:50 | 0:06:52 | |
'but this doesn't explain why she'd been claiming nearly £15,000 of widows' pension | 0:06:52 | 0:06:58 | |
'from the Department for Work and Pensions | 0:06:58 | 0:07:01 | |
'or nearly £15,000 worth of housing benefits | 0:07:01 | 0:07:03 | |
'from Croydon since 2002. | 0:07:03 | 0:07:06 | |
'So now the authorities thought Mrs Aldous was married to Richard Martin, | 0:07:06 | 0:07:11 | |
'Gail needed hard evidence to confirm they were, in fact, the same person.' | 0:07:11 | 0:07:16 | |
What we really needed to prove the marriage had taken place | 0:07:16 | 0:07:18 | |
was a copy of the marriage certificate, and that would be absolute proof | 0:07:18 | 0:07:22 | |
that the marriage had taken place and then we could progress the investigation. | 0:07:22 | 0:07:26 | |
'So, the quest was on to find a key piece of evidence in a foreign country. | 0:07:26 | 0:07:31 | |
'Gail had her work cut out.' | 0:07:31 | 0:07:34 | |
I contacted the Passport and Documents Service Group | 0:07:35 | 0:07:39 | |
at the Foreign and Commonwealth Office | 0:07:39 | 0:07:42 | |
and asked their advice as to how we can get a copy of the certificate. | 0:07:42 | 0:07:45 | |
They wrote back to me and suggested I tried another agency. | 0:07:45 | 0:07:48 | |
I then wrote to the other agency and they told me that they could help | 0:07:48 | 0:07:52 | |
but they needed to know exactly where the marriage took place on Crete, | 0:07:52 | 0:07:56 | |
and once I can get that information, they should be able to get me a copy of the certificate. | 0:07:56 | 0:08:00 | |
'Trying to find the crucial marriage certificate was no easy matter.' | 0:08:00 | 0:08:06 | |
I was a bit concerned that we would never find proof | 0:08:07 | 0:08:10 | |
that the marriage had taken place. I made further enquiries | 0:08:10 | 0:08:13 | |
with people that knew the couple, | 0:08:13 | 0:08:17 | |
erm, anybody that I thought might have the information, | 0:08:17 | 0:08:21 | |
and eventually the information came to light | 0:08:21 | 0:08:25 | |
and we were able then to make the enquiry to the Foreign Office. | 0:08:25 | 0:08:29 | |
'Now Gail had the location in Crete, | 0:08:30 | 0:08:32 | |
'she was one step closer to getting the important marriage certificate. | 0:08:32 | 0:08:36 | |
'But at the same time, she was also stepping into a bureaucratic process | 0:08:36 | 0:08:40 | |
'that would cross borders.' | 0:08:40 | 0:08:43 | |
They told me what I needed to do. | 0:08:43 | 0:08:45 | |
It involved filling in a lengthy form | 0:08:45 | 0:08:47 | |
and they asked me for a fee of £145. | 0:08:47 | 0:08:51 | |
Once I submitted that, there was no guarantee | 0:08:51 | 0:08:54 | |
that they'd be able to track the marriage certificate | 0:08:54 | 0:08:57 | |
and they said I'd need to wait until they got back in touch with me. | 0:08:57 | 0:09:00 | |
'And that was all they could do, wait.' | 0:09:02 | 0:09:05 | |
So, how crucial a piece of evidence was the marriage certificate for you? | 0:09:06 | 0:09:11 | |
Well, this was the one thing that was critical in proving that Theresa Aldous and Theresa Martin | 0:09:11 | 0:09:16 | |
were in fact the same person. | 0:09:16 | 0:09:18 | |
It would've been hard going in court without that. | 0:09:18 | 0:09:21 | |
OK. And as a team, you're sitting here | 0:09:21 | 0:09:23 | |
knowing that there's one piece of evidence that you need that you won't necessarily get. | 0:09:23 | 0:09:28 | |
Yeah, a lot of work had gone into this investigation | 0:09:28 | 0:09:30 | |
and it is a very tense wait at times like this | 0:09:30 | 0:09:32 | |
where you're waiting for the one critical piece of evidence to come in. | 0:09:32 | 0:09:36 | |
'Without the marriage certificate, the team just didn't have a strong enough case. | 0:09:36 | 0:09:41 | |
'And as we may see later, getting their hands on it wasn't going to be easy.' | 0:09:41 | 0:09:47 | |
There was no evidence anywhere that this marriage had taken place. | 0:09:47 | 0:09:51 | |
'For now, though, it's time to say goodbye to the scroungers | 0:09:55 | 0:09:58 | |
'that are trying to steal from the state's safety net | 0:09:58 | 0:10:01 | |
'and say hello to those we call our saints, people who do everything they can | 0:10:01 | 0:10:05 | |
'to make sure others in need of help and struggling to get their lives on track | 0:10:05 | 0:10:09 | |
'get all the support they need.' | 0:10:09 | 0:10:12 | |
For young people, it's supposed to be so straightforward. | 0:10:15 | 0:10:17 | |
All you do is this. You study hard, you get your qualifications | 0:10:17 | 0:10:21 | |
and then, as they say, the world is your oyster. | 0:10:21 | 0:10:24 | |
Unfortunately, for some people, it doesn't work out like that | 0:10:24 | 0:10:28 | |
and no matter how hard they graft and how determined they are, | 0:10:28 | 0:10:32 | |
it can seem like the whole world is against them. | 0:10:32 | 0:10:34 | |
'When 20-year-old Jamie-Leigh Emmonds left secondary school, | 0:10:34 | 0:10:38 | |
'she applied for and was accepted onto a two-year NVQ college course in ladies' hairdressing. | 0:10:38 | 0:10:45 | |
'But it turned out, once she started to look for work, | 0:10:45 | 0:10:48 | |
'that her chances were drastically reduced | 0:10:48 | 0:10:51 | |
'cos she'd had no training in cutting men's hair.' | 0:10:51 | 0:10:54 | |
Well, I thought that was the end for the hairdressing career. | 0:10:54 | 0:10:58 | |
I didn't think I was going to be able to get a job in a salon at all | 0:10:58 | 0:11:03 | |
because I had no clue how to do men's hairdressing. | 0:11:03 | 0:11:06 | |
So it was a bit upsetting. | 0:11:06 | 0:11:09 | |
'Yes, a disappointment for a young woman who'd known for many years | 0:11:09 | 0:11:13 | |
'that all she wanted to be was a stylist, | 0:11:13 | 0:11:15 | |
'as her mum Zoe knew too well.' | 0:11:15 | 0:11:18 | |
Jamie-Leigh has always wanted to be a hairdresser | 0:11:18 | 0:11:20 | |
since she was a little girl and used to do her sister's hair, | 0:11:20 | 0:11:24 | |
straightening my hair, doing plaits, | 0:11:24 | 0:11:27 | |
trying new hairstyles out, backcombing, | 0:11:27 | 0:11:31 | |
just basically messing about with hair all the time when she was growing up. | 0:11:31 | 0:11:35 | |
'Like many college leavers, | 0:11:35 | 0:11:37 | |
'Jamie-Leigh's motivation for starting her career | 0:11:37 | 0:11:40 | |
'was mainly to do with gaining her independence.' | 0:11:40 | 0:11:43 | |
I really wanted to go and earn my own money because I wanted to do things for myself, | 0:11:43 | 0:11:48 | |
like go away on my own, get my own house eventually, get my own shop eventually, | 0:11:48 | 0:11:53 | |
do everything on my own, instead of falling back on my parents. | 0:11:53 | 0:11:56 | |
'And after really buckling down at college and getting her qualifications, | 0:11:56 | 0:12:01 | |
'the situation she found herself in now, well, it was a bit of a fix.' | 0:12:01 | 0:12:06 | |
Jamie-Leigh was very frustrated when she couldn't get work. | 0:12:06 | 0:12:09 | |
She's always been a busy person | 0:12:09 | 0:12:12 | |
and she became quite mardy and withdrawn in herself. | 0:12:12 | 0:12:16 | |
And obviously, when there was no work for her, she just used to sit at home | 0:12:16 | 0:12:20 | |
and watch TV and do nothing with herself. | 0:12:20 | 0:12:23 | |
'Jamie-Leigh went to her local job centre | 0:12:24 | 0:12:27 | |
'and was advised to train in barbering. But at the time, there were no government-funded schemes | 0:12:27 | 0:12:31 | |
'and she couldn't afford the expensive independent courses. | 0:12:31 | 0:12:35 | |
'Like many young people who leave college with qualifications, | 0:12:35 | 0:12:38 | |
'Jamie-Leigh found herself unemployable in the field she'd trained in. | 0:12:38 | 0:12:43 | |
'And it's a scenario that employment skills manager Marc Malloy | 0:12:43 | 0:12:47 | |
'has seen too often in recent years.' | 0:12:47 | 0:12:50 | |
It's tough out there at the moment for young people. | 0:12:50 | 0:12:52 | |
There's high expectations of the type of role they want to go into | 0:12:52 | 0:12:55 | |
and the salary they want to earn and there just aren't those jobs for them, | 0:12:55 | 0:12:58 | |
which leads them to be demotivated and to be depressed. | 0:12:58 | 0:13:02 | |
When young people are at college or in an educational institution, | 0:13:02 | 0:13:05 | |
they need to be given the basic score, what it means to apply for a job, | 0:13:05 | 0:13:09 | |
and they need to have realistic expectations of what is out there for them. | 0:13:09 | 0:13:13 | |
'And Jamie-Leigh's not alone. | 0:13:13 | 0:13:15 | |
'At the beginning of 2013, nearly a million young people were unemployed. | 0:13:15 | 0:13:19 | |
'So what are you supposed to do?' | 0:13:19 | 0:13:22 | |
I think the first place any young person should go to for advice | 0:13:22 | 0:13:25 | |
is their education provider or even their local job centre, | 0:13:25 | 0:13:29 | |
and failing that, to go online, there are a variety of sources out there | 0:13:29 | 0:13:32 | |
that are all geared to helping people make the next step | 0:13:32 | 0:13:35 | |
towards either education or employment. | 0:13:35 | 0:13:38 | |
'With her goal of becoming a hairdresser now seemingly unachievable, | 0:13:38 | 0:13:42 | |
'Jamie-Leigh decided to take any old job she could.' | 0:13:42 | 0:13:46 | |
I first started working in a shop and I was doing till work, | 0:13:46 | 0:13:50 | |
stacking shelves, cleaning, | 0:13:50 | 0:13:53 | |
and then I got another job in a bar, | 0:13:53 | 0:13:56 | |
still cleaning, collecting glasses. | 0:13:56 | 0:13:59 | |
While I was still doing these two jobs, | 0:13:59 | 0:14:01 | |
I was still going to the job centre | 0:14:01 | 0:14:03 | |
to ask them about barber courses that were available, | 0:14:03 | 0:14:06 | |
but they didn't really help me much. | 0:14:06 | 0:14:09 | |
There wasn't any barbering courses going in Doncaster. | 0:14:09 | 0:14:11 | |
So I carried on with these two jobs | 0:14:11 | 0:14:14 | |
until something else came available. | 0:14:14 | 0:14:16 | |
'But she wasn't about to give up on her career, | 0:14:16 | 0:14:20 | |
'so Jamie-Leigh contacted local salons | 0:14:20 | 0:14:22 | |
'in the hope of getting practice in cutting men's hair.' | 0:14:22 | 0:14:26 | |
I found one shop what let me go there two days a week | 0:14:26 | 0:14:31 | |
to do men's barbering and to gain more experience on men's barbering. | 0:14:31 | 0:14:36 | |
I offered them that I would go voluntary, | 0:14:36 | 0:14:40 | |
so they didn't have to pay me for anything I did, | 0:14:40 | 0:14:42 | |
it was just to gain work experience. | 0:14:42 | 0:14:45 | |
'However, the shop was lacking one crucial element. | 0:14:45 | 0:14:49 | |
'Lots of male customers.' | 0:14:49 | 0:14:51 | |
In that shop, there wasn't many men what came in for their hair doing, | 0:14:51 | 0:14:57 | |
or women, it wasn't a very busy salon, | 0:14:57 | 0:15:00 | |
so I thought I wanted something more busier to get my work experience done. | 0:15:00 | 0:15:05 | |
'After three weeks and hardly any training, | 0:15:05 | 0:15:08 | |
'Jamie-Leigh cut her losses and returned to the job centre. | 0:15:08 | 0:15:11 | |
'She was looking for any old job again, | 0:15:11 | 0:15:14 | |
'but in the meantime, like nearly 400,000 other young people in the UK, | 0:15:14 | 0:15:18 | |
'she claimed the benefit she was entitled to.' | 0:15:18 | 0:15:22 | |
I did actually feel I was going to be on the Jobseeker's forever. | 0:15:22 | 0:15:25 | |
I didn't feel like I was going to be able to get a job anywhere else. | 0:15:25 | 0:15:28 | |
All I did want to do was hairdressing. I tried my hardest to get a job in a salon. | 0:15:28 | 0:15:33 | |
'Despite her efforts and determination, | 0:15:33 | 0:15:36 | |
'there just wasn't a job out there. | 0:15:36 | 0:15:39 | |
'With 21 percent of 16 to 24-year-olds struggling to find work, | 0:15:39 | 0:15:42 | |
'Jamie-Leigh's career goals were drifting further and further away.' | 0:15:42 | 0:15:47 | |
We meet young people all the time, applying away, | 0:15:47 | 0:15:50 | |
getting interviews, keep getting those knockbacks, | 0:15:50 | 0:15:53 | |
not through their fault, just through the sheer volume of people that are applying. | 0:15:53 | 0:15:57 | |
We know it's easy for us to sit here and say, "Keep battling away, a door's going to open" | 0:15:57 | 0:16:01 | |
but everybody's only human and confidence is going to get knocked. It is a tough labour market. | 0:16:01 | 0:16:06 | |
'A frustrated Jamie-Leigh wanted to get off Jobseeker's Allowance | 0:16:07 | 0:16:11 | |
'and start making a living in the hair industry. | 0:16:11 | 0:16:14 | |
'It's difficult times like this when you really need a mate.' | 0:16:14 | 0:16:17 | |
I phoned my friend up, cos I was gutted about not getting a job, | 0:16:19 | 0:16:23 | |
and she actually told me there was jobs in York available doing hairdressing. | 0:16:23 | 0:16:28 | |
'So now there was the potential to try and get work hair-styling, | 0:16:28 | 0:16:33 | |
'but it would mean moving to York, away from her family | 0:16:33 | 0:16:35 | |
'and the home she'd lived in all her life.' | 0:16:35 | 0:16:39 | |
It was a big decision for me to make. | 0:16:39 | 0:16:41 | |
I had to sit down with my mum and dad and say, | 0:16:41 | 0:16:44 | |
"This is the only way I'm going to get a job." | 0:16:44 | 0:16:46 | |
I was absolutely devastated, my little girl going off to pastures new. | 0:16:46 | 0:16:50 | |
I really didn't want her to go and I was very scared | 0:16:50 | 0:16:53 | |
cos she was only 18 years old, | 0:16:53 | 0:16:55 | |
but I knew there was nothing in Doncaster for her. | 0:16:55 | 0:16:58 | |
It was the most upsetting thing I've had to do is leave my mum and dad. | 0:16:58 | 0:17:02 | |
I did not have a choice because there wasn't any jobs going where my mum and dad live. | 0:17:02 | 0:17:07 | |
So if I wanted a job then I had to do something about it. | 0:17:08 | 0:17:12 | |
'Despite the emotional wrench of leaving her family and friends in Doncaster, | 0:17:13 | 0:17:17 | |
'Jamie-Leigh left for York. | 0:17:17 | 0:17:20 | |
'She moved in with a friend and her family | 0:17:20 | 0:17:22 | |
'and hoped to get a hairdressing job quickly so she could contribute to the household bills.' | 0:17:22 | 0:17:28 | |
When I moved up here, I did think I was going to get a job straight away, | 0:17:28 | 0:17:32 | |
but I didn't. It was horrible having to go to the job centre to find a job. It wasn't nice. | 0:17:32 | 0:17:38 | |
Within any town or city, you always think, you know, there is no work for them to do, | 0:17:38 | 0:17:44 | |
and I'd rather her be at home not working than be in a strange city. | 0:17:44 | 0:17:49 | |
Talk about frustrating. All you want to do is earn a wage | 0:17:49 | 0:17:53 | |
and pay your own way. On top of that, you've gained a qualification | 0:17:53 | 0:17:57 | |
and moved away from the town where you've lived your whole life | 0:17:57 | 0:18:01 | |
to try and find work. | 0:18:01 | 0:18:03 | |
But even though you've moved all that distance, | 0:18:03 | 0:18:05 | |
you still can't seem to find a job. | 0:18:05 | 0:18:08 | |
'Before too long, Jamie-Leigh's hopes of becoming a hairdresser | 0:18:08 | 0:18:12 | |
'had turned into a five-to-ten-hour-a-week | 0:18:12 | 0:18:14 | |
'part-time nightmare in another high-street retailer. | 0:18:14 | 0:18:17 | |
'In fact, the hours were so few, she had to claim Jobseeker's Allowance again.' | 0:18:17 | 0:18:22 | |
I felt like I was never going to be able to get a job | 0:18:22 | 0:18:25 | |
and I was going to be unemployed for a long time, which was very upsetting. | 0:18:25 | 0:18:29 | |
'But Jamie-Leigh had faced a lot of challenges and she wasn't about to give up yet. | 0:18:29 | 0:18:34 | |
'She decided to stick it out in York.' | 0:18:34 | 0:18:36 | |
She had some low moods, but she's a determined person so I knew she wouldn't give up. | 0:18:37 | 0:18:42 | |
'Unlike a lot of people, Jamie-Leigh had decided what she wanted to be in life from a very early age. | 0:18:42 | 0:18:47 | |
'She'd gone to college and got the qualification | 0:18:47 | 0:18:50 | |
'she thought she needed to achieve that. | 0:18:50 | 0:18:53 | |
'But when she went into the market, she found she was unemployable. | 0:18:53 | 0:18:56 | |
'Jamie-Leigh had even moved away from home to achieve her goals. | 0:18:56 | 0:18:59 | |
'But now, after a further six months of claiming Jobseeker's, | 0:18:59 | 0:19:03 | |
'she was referred to Bruce Murray, who was quickly becoming her last chance of help.' | 0:19:03 | 0:19:07 | |
I'm a personal advisor. I deal with customers under 25 | 0:19:07 | 0:19:11 | |
that have become eligible for the new Job Centre Plus Wage Incentive. | 0:19:11 | 0:19:14 | |
'As we'll find out later, | 0:19:14 | 0:19:16 | |
'Bruce had a very different approach | 0:19:16 | 0:19:18 | |
'to getting Jamie-Leigh the training she needed. | 0:19:18 | 0:19:21 | |
'Now, from those people who really need the help of the state | 0:19:27 | 0:19:30 | |
'to people who set out to abuse the system.' | 0:19:30 | 0:19:33 | |
Here in the UK, the Department for Work and Pensions | 0:19:34 | 0:19:37 | |
has a safety net in place to help those | 0:19:37 | 0:19:40 | |
who are genuinely diagnosed with an illness or disability. | 0:19:40 | 0:19:43 | |
You could end up with a blue badge to help you get around, | 0:19:43 | 0:19:46 | |
a much-needed cash injection or even home help, and that's only fair. | 0:19:46 | 0:19:51 | |
But what isn't fair is when some people | 0:19:51 | 0:19:55 | |
try to use that safety net to systematically scam | 0:19:55 | 0:19:58 | |
you and I, the taxpayer. | 0:19:58 | 0:20:00 | |
'One man claiming these benefits was 52-year-old Norman Lawson. | 0:20:01 | 0:20:06 | |
'He was injured badly during a football match in 1992, | 0:20:06 | 0:20:09 | |
'and as a result, surgeons had to remove part of his lower leg. | 0:20:09 | 0:20:14 | |
'Dr Javid Abdelmoneim is an independent medical expert | 0:20:14 | 0:20:18 | |
'with experience of treating injuries like Lawson's.' | 0:20:18 | 0:20:21 | |
The worst-case scenario for a lower leg in jury in football | 0:20:21 | 0:20:25 | |
could be an open fracture of the limb | 0:20:25 | 0:20:28 | |
which is where the bones actually break and rip through the skin | 0:20:28 | 0:20:31 | |
and are exposed to the environment. That requires complicated reconstructive surgery | 0:20:31 | 0:20:36 | |
to avoid infection and skin-grafting. | 0:20:36 | 0:20:38 | |
Rehabilitation after a leg injury that required surgery, | 0:20:38 | 0:20:41 | |
you could expect to spend about six to eight weeks perhaps in plaster | 0:20:41 | 0:20:44 | |
and need an extended period of physiotherapy thereafter. | 0:20:44 | 0:20:47 | |
'The injury left Lawson barely able to walk | 0:20:47 | 0:20:50 | |
'and he began claiming Incapacity Benefit | 0:20:50 | 0:20:53 | |
'and Disability Living Allowance at the higher rate, | 0:20:53 | 0:20:56 | |
'worth £14,000 over the years.' | 0:20:56 | 0:21:00 | |
Disability benefits are provided based on two facets, | 0:21:00 | 0:21:03 | |
your care needs and your mobility needs. | 0:21:03 | 0:21:05 | |
'Lawson was claiming a higher rate of mobility | 0:21:05 | 0:21:08 | |
'because he said he couldn't walk without the use of a stick | 0:21:08 | 0:21:11 | |
'and would become very breathless when he tried.' | 0:21:11 | 0:21:14 | |
Disability benefits are vital in allowing a person to perform | 0:21:14 | 0:21:17 | |
normal, functional tasks of daily living, walking and care. | 0:21:17 | 0:21:22 | |
If they were not available, that person would be left in a situation | 0:21:22 | 0:21:25 | |
where they could not cope, couldn't look after themselves on the most basic level, | 0:21:25 | 0:21:29 | |
being unable to prepare a meal, go to the toilet and walk. | 0:21:29 | 0:21:32 | |
That safety net is very important. | 0:21:32 | 0:21:35 | |
'Fair enough. So why, in 2012, | 0:21:35 | 0:21:38 | |
'did fraud investigator Jennifer Petrie | 0:21:38 | 0:21:40 | |
'become suspicious of Norman Lawson?' | 0:21:40 | 0:21:43 | |
We first came across Mr Lawson | 0:21:43 | 0:21:46 | |
when investigating another allegation | 0:21:46 | 0:21:49 | |
and identified that Mr Lawson was working | 0:21:49 | 0:21:52 | |
as a painter and decorator | 0:21:52 | 0:21:55 | |
through a company in Forfar. | 0:21:55 | 0:21:57 | |
Subsequent checks of the department records | 0:21:57 | 0:21:59 | |
reveal that there was only one person of that name and age | 0:21:59 | 0:22:03 | |
called Norman Lawson in the Dundee area. | 0:22:03 | 0:22:06 | |
'So, the fraud team had pinpointed their man, | 0:22:06 | 0:22:10 | |
'but they had to prove that he was in fact mobile and able to work.' | 0:22:10 | 0:22:14 | |
We decided that the only way to prove whether or not | 0:22:14 | 0:22:18 | |
Mr Lawson's disability was as severe as he was stating | 0:22:18 | 0:22:22 | |
was to carry out some surveillance. | 0:22:22 | 0:22:24 | |
'The team started working undercover | 0:22:24 | 0:22:27 | |
'and unbeknown to Lawson, were tracking his movements | 0:22:27 | 0:22:30 | |
'over a one-month period.' | 0:22:30 | 0:22:32 | |
Mr Lawson was regularly seen getting out and in cars, | 0:22:32 | 0:22:36 | |
carrying step ladders and loading paint tins | 0:22:36 | 0:22:39 | |
out and in the boot of the car. He was also seen | 0:22:39 | 0:22:43 | |
getting out and in of painters' white overalls quite easily. | 0:22:43 | 0:22:47 | |
'Our independent doctor is used to treating injuries like Mr Lawson's | 0:22:47 | 0:22:52 | |
'and we've asked him to comment on the secret surveillance footage.' | 0:22:52 | 0:22:56 | |
He's moving both his legs with normal power, normal coordination and speed. | 0:22:56 | 0:23:01 | |
There doesn't seem to be any restriction to his movement at all. | 0:23:01 | 0:23:04 | |
The exercise that he's going to undertake | 0:23:04 | 0:23:07 | |
in that he's doing painting and decorating | 0:23:07 | 0:23:11 | |
could be considered to be moderately strenuous | 0:23:11 | 0:23:15 | |
for someone with a debilitating leg injury. | 0:23:15 | 0:23:17 | |
'Unbelievable. He's a fully-functioning tradesman | 0:23:17 | 0:23:21 | |
'but he's been claiming that he can barely walk. | 0:23:21 | 0:23:24 | |
'It's now time for the fraud investigators | 0:23:24 | 0:23:26 | |
'to gather all of their evidence.' | 0:23:26 | 0:23:29 | |
Following the surveillance, we then gathered further witness statements | 0:23:29 | 0:23:32 | |
and witness testimony from some of the houses | 0:23:32 | 0:23:35 | |
that Mr Lawson had visited to carry out the painting and decorating. | 0:23:35 | 0:23:39 | |
This then provided us with sufficient evidence | 0:23:39 | 0:23:42 | |
to submit the case to the decision maker for a decision on the benefit | 0:23:42 | 0:23:47 | |
and calculation of the over-payments. | 0:23:47 | 0:23:50 | |
'Lawson had started painting and decorating in 2004 | 0:23:50 | 0:23:54 | |
'and the authorities decided that he'd claimed over £14,000 | 0:23:54 | 0:23:58 | |
'that he was not entitled to. | 0:23:58 | 0:24:01 | |
'Jennifer decided it was time for a face-to-face meeting.' | 0:24:01 | 0:24:05 | |
On receipt of the over-payment calculation, | 0:24:05 | 0:24:07 | |
we then invited Mr Lawson in for an interview under caution. | 0:24:07 | 0:24:11 | |
At the interview under caution, Mr Lawson admitted that he knew | 0:24:11 | 0:24:15 | |
that he should report changes of circumstances, | 0:24:15 | 0:24:17 | |
including any work that he had carried out. | 0:24:17 | 0:24:20 | |
He denied that he had carried out any work at all. | 0:24:20 | 0:24:23 | |
'But the team weren't about to be swindled | 0:24:23 | 0:24:26 | |
'and had the surveillance footage up their sleeve. | 0:24:26 | 0:24:29 | |
'Lawson couldn't argue with that and he had to change his plea.' | 0:24:29 | 0:24:32 | |
He did admit that he had carried out this work | 0:24:34 | 0:24:37 | |
and that his health condition had improved and he had failed to report this. | 0:24:37 | 0:24:42 | |
'It was exactly the result Jennifer was hoping for | 0:24:42 | 0:24:45 | |
'and it meant the fraud team could prepare for court. | 0:24:45 | 0:24:48 | |
'The date was set for April 2013. | 0:24:48 | 0:24:51 | |
'But what would be the outcome of the trial?' | 0:24:51 | 0:24:54 | |
At the final court appearance, Mr Lawson pleaded guilty. | 0:24:54 | 0:24:58 | |
He was then sentenced to a six-month custodial sentence. | 0:24:59 | 0:25:03 | |
Prior to the final court appearance, | 0:25:03 | 0:25:06 | |
Mr Lawson had started to repay his overpayment of benefit. | 0:25:06 | 0:25:10 | |
'But the game was up for Lawson. | 0:25:11 | 0:25:13 | |
'This lot don't mess around, you know?' | 0:25:13 | 0:25:15 | |
All benefit fraud is stealing from the taxpayer. | 0:25:16 | 0:25:19 | |
And people who commit benefit fraud will be caught. | 0:25:19 | 0:25:22 | |
'If you're thinking about faking disability and defrauding the authorities, | 0:25:22 | 0:25:28 | |
'it's worth thinking twice because there could be a prison sentence at the end of it. | 0:25:28 | 0:25:32 | |
'It's time to say goodbye to the fiddling fraudsters | 0:25:36 | 0:25:39 | |
'and welcome back those people who need the public's help the most. | 0:25:39 | 0:25:43 | |
'After getting a qualification at college in ladies' hairdressing, | 0:25:43 | 0:25:47 | |
'Jamie-Leigh struggled to find work in her hometown of Doncaster | 0:25:47 | 0:25:50 | |
'cos she had no experience of cutting men's hair. | 0:25:50 | 0:25:53 | |
'In the hope of getting a job, she moved to York, | 0:25:53 | 0:25:57 | |
'but instead of finding hairdressing work, she spent the next six months needing income support.' | 0:25:57 | 0:26:02 | |
I came to York to obviously get a job in a salon | 0:26:02 | 0:26:06 | |
but couldn't get one, so I got a job in a shop doing ten hours a week. | 0:26:06 | 0:26:09 | |
Life was a bit difficult at that point. | 0:26:09 | 0:26:12 | |
'Because Jamie-Leigh had been on benefits in York for over six months | 0:26:13 | 0:26:17 | |
'she became eligible to apply for a new scheme, | 0:26:17 | 0:26:19 | |
'aimed at getting young people into work. | 0:26:19 | 0:26:22 | |
'And her job centre advisor, Bruce Murray, was determined to make it happen.' | 0:26:22 | 0:26:26 | |
Bruce is a nice, funny guy. I get along with him really well. | 0:26:27 | 0:26:31 | |
But he pushed me so hard to find a job that I liked going to see him to find work. | 0:26:31 | 0:26:36 | |
When I first met Jamie, it's fair to say, like many of our customers, | 0:26:36 | 0:26:39 | |
she was in that vicious circle of really wanting to work, | 0:26:39 | 0:26:42 | |
was trying really hard, but the lack of experience was counting against her, really. | 0:26:42 | 0:26:46 | |
There's no doubt, her confidence was getting knocked. She was getting increasingly fed up, really. | 0:26:46 | 0:26:51 | |
We had to sort of build up her confidence, and the Wage Incentive helps us do that. | 0:26:51 | 0:26:55 | |
'With the Wage Incentive Scheme at his disposal, | 0:26:55 | 0:26:59 | |
'Bruce could come up with a plan for Jamie-Leigh | 0:26:59 | 0:27:02 | |
'that would hopefully make her more employable.' | 0:27:02 | 0:27:05 | |
Bruce's idea was simple. | 0:27:05 | 0:27:07 | |
He'd get her a spot as an apprentice at a male hairdressers. | 0:27:07 | 0:27:13 | |
They would benefit from the Wage Incentive Scheme | 0:27:13 | 0:27:16 | |
and she would pick up the experience she so desperately needed. | 0:27:16 | 0:27:20 | |
'The Wage Incentive was introduced in April 2012, | 0:27:20 | 0:27:25 | |
'and is an initiative designed to help young people get off benefits and into full-time work. | 0:27:25 | 0:27:29 | |
'The job centre pays £2,275 | 0:27:29 | 0:27:33 | |
'to employers who take on unemployed workers | 0:27:33 | 0:27:36 | |
'who've been looking for work for over six months | 0:27:36 | 0:27:38 | |
'and are between the ages of 18 to 24. | 0:27:38 | 0:27:41 | |
'They also have to work 30 hours or more a week for a six-month period. | 0:27:41 | 0:27:46 | |
'The incentive helps small businesses pay wages | 0:27:46 | 0:27:49 | |
'and helps young workers get the experience they need.' | 0:27:49 | 0:27:53 | |
When I first met Jamie, it became apparent that it'd be really nice | 0:27:53 | 0:27:56 | |
if we could use the qualification she gained to try and get her a job in a barbers or a hairdressers. | 0:27:56 | 0:28:00 | |
So we looked at her CV, made sure that was up to date. | 0:28:00 | 0:28:04 | |
And then we went through all the information we had on available vacancies. | 0:28:04 | 0:28:08 | |
As luck would have it, there was a job in a barbers shop nearby. | 0:28:08 | 0:28:12 | |
'It was a great opportunity for Jamie-Leigh.' | 0:28:12 | 0:28:16 | |
Getting a job in the barbers would mean that I had the training behind me forever, | 0:28:16 | 0:28:20 | |
and then eventually I could go back into doing ladies, as well. | 0:28:20 | 0:28:24 | |
Barbering is the next best thing to actually being a hairdresser. | 0:28:24 | 0:28:28 | |
So when she told me that she'd got this opportunity, | 0:28:28 | 0:28:31 | |
I told her to grab it with both hands. | 0:28:31 | 0:28:34 | |
'With so much competition for jobs among college leavers, | 0:28:34 | 0:28:38 | |
'Jamie-Leigh knew she had to act quickly.' | 0:28:38 | 0:28:41 | |
Jamie came to the job centre, suited and booted, CV modified, | 0:28:41 | 0:28:45 | |
and we decided we were going to go together to the barbers shop. | 0:28:45 | 0:28:48 | |
When I first went to the barbers, | 0:28:48 | 0:28:51 | |
Bruce introduced himself from the job centre | 0:28:51 | 0:28:53 | |
and introduced me as a candidate for the Wage Incentive Scheme. | 0:28:53 | 0:28:56 | |
He told the man who ran the barbers and the guy who was working there | 0:28:56 | 0:29:00 | |
all about the Wage Incentive. We gave our details | 0:29:00 | 0:29:05 | |
and the boss said he would have a chat with his work colleagues | 0:29:05 | 0:29:08 | |
and see if I was capable for the job | 0:29:08 | 0:29:11 | |
and that he'd give me a ring back the same day. When I left, I was very nervous, | 0:29:11 | 0:29:15 | |
if I was going to get a phone call back saying "Yes," or a phone call back saying "No." | 0:29:15 | 0:29:18 | |
'The assistant manager at the barbers was Chris Panayiotou.' | 0:29:19 | 0:29:23 | |
Jamie-Leigh gave a very good first impression. | 0:29:24 | 0:29:27 | |
Her enthusiasm, you could tell in the way she presented herself | 0:29:27 | 0:29:31 | |
that she really wanted to be a barber, that it wasn't just another day out looking for a job, | 0:29:31 | 0:29:36 | |
that she came in here with that kind of enthusiasm | 0:29:36 | 0:29:39 | |
that says, "You should take me on, I'm ready, I'm willing to work." | 0:29:39 | 0:29:43 | |
'A very nervous Jamie-Leigh got a phone call later that day. | 0:29:43 | 0:29:47 | |
'And it was good news.' | 0:29:47 | 0:29:49 | |
That was like a big weight had been lifted off my shoulders. | 0:29:49 | 0:29:52 | |
Because I'd actually found a job I really wanted to do and I felt so happy. | 0:29:52 | 0:29:56 | |
I phoned my mum up and my mum was screaming down the phone saying, "Well done". | 0:29:56 | 0:30:00 | |
Oh, I was over the moon and Jamie-Leigh was also over the moon | 0:30:00 | 0:30:03 | |
that she'd finally got a job in something that she really had a passion for. | 0:30:03 | 0:30:08 | |
'She now had an opportunity to learn how to cut men's hair, | 0:30:08 | 0:30:12 | |
'the problem that had held her back from getting a job in the first place. | 0:30:12 | 0:30:16 | |
'But in order to get the training she needed, | 0:30:16 | 0:30:18 | |
'Jamie-Leigh would have to start at the bottom and work her way up.' | 0:30:18 | 0:30:23 | |
An apprentice's job in the barber shop is to do first of all the most basic jobs. | 0:30:23 | 0:30:28 | |
Sweeping up, mopping up, | 0:30:28 | 0:30:30 | |
making teas and coffees and making sure the customers are happy and attended to, | 0:30:30 | 0:30:35 | |
and even while they're waiting, she can make them feel comfortable and welcome. | 0:30:35 | 0:30:38 | |
And then to learn to cut hair, the first step is just to watch, | 0:30:38 | 0:30:42 | |
and to concentrate from the start of the haircut, the middle of the cut, to the end of the cut, | 0:30:42 | 0:30:46 | |
and after that, it's to start practising. | 0:30:46 | 0:30:48 | |
As the time goes on, I've been standing and watching, | 0:30:48 | 0:30:52 | |
they've been talking me through step-by-step how to do a haircut. | 0:30:52 | 0:30:55 | |
And now I'm practising myself on different clients. | 0:30:55 | 0:30:59 | |
'And for Chris, employee Jamie-Leigh | 0:30:59 | 0:31:02 | |
'was helping his business to grow.' | 0:31:02 | 0:31:05 | |
In the economic climate that we live in, it can be difficult | 0:31:05 | 0:31:08 | |
to find staff and to find the right staff. | 0:31:08 | 0:31:11 | |
So the Wage Incentive Scheme is a massive help, really. | 0:31:11 | 0:31:15 | |
They pay for the apprentice to be here. It's a very big help for any business. | 0:31:15 | 0:31:21 | |
It's a win-win situation. Jamie-Leigh gets to learn a trade, we financially get help | 0:31:21 | 0:31:26 | |
from the Wage Incentive Scheme to have her here, and so everybody's a winner. | 0:31:26 | 0:31:30 | |
'The new job meant Jamie-Leigh was now earning a wage at the barbers | 0:31:30 | 0:31:35 | |
'and no longer needed to claim Jobseeker's Allowance.' | 0:31:35 | 0:31:39 | |
People like Jamie-Leigh make our job worthwhile, really. | 0:31:39 | 0:31:41 | |
It's lovely when you see somebody who really wants a job, who's trying really hard. | 0:31:41 | 0:31:46 | |
To be in that position and to be able to put the pieces into place | 0:31:46 | 0:31:49 | |
to help her out and get a successful outcome, | 0:31:49 | 0:31:51 | |
it's quite a privileged position, really, and sometimes we maybe forget that. | 0:31:51 | 0:31:55 | |
'But Jamie-Leigh hasn't forgotten just who gave her the opportunity to follow her dreams.' | 0:31:55 | 0:32:01 | |
Thank you very much, Bruce, for all the hard work you've done in getting me my job. | 0:32:01 | 0:32:05 | |
'So Jamie-Leigh's building on her work experience, | 0:32:05 | 0:32:08 | |
'adding to her skills and making herself more employable.' | 0:32:08 | 0:32:13 | |
Jamie-Leigh's doing really well. She was part of the team straight away. | 0:32:14 | 0:32:17 | |
She can have a bit of banter, she can laugh and joke with us, | 0:32:17 | 0:32:20 | |
and in the more serious moments when we're explaining to her how to cut hair, | 0:32:20 | 0:32:25 | |
she's on the ball, and it comes almost second nature to her, | 0:32:25 | 0:32:29 | |
obviously, because she's got a history in hairdressing. | 0:32:29 | 0:32:32 | |
'Jamie-Leigh's family have witnessed her struggle first-hand | 0:32:35 | 0:32:38 | |
'and they are impressed.' | 0:32:38 | 0:32:41 | |
I'm very proud of her. She's done extremely well. | 0:32:41 | 0:32:43 | |
She's one in a million. | 0:32:43 | 0:32:45 | |
'Despite all the ups and downs, | 0:32:45 | 0:32:48 | |
'Jamie-Leigh is still an ambitious young girl with big dreams. | 0:32:48 | 0:32:52 | |
'And she's got a long way to go.' | 0:32:52 | 0:32:54 | |
When I finish this barber course, I want to work in a hairdressers. | 0:32:54 | 0:32:58 | |
Obviously, then I can build my clients up. | 0:32:58 | 0:33:01 | |
But then I really do want to have my own business in the future. | 0:33:01 | 0:33:04 | |
It would make me really happy. It's very important to work hard. | 0:33:04 | 0:33:07 | |
You have to work hard to get far in life. | 0:33:07 | 0:33:10 | |
And if you don't work hard, you have nothing. | 0:33:10 | 0:33:12 | |
For Jamie-Leigh, it was the classic catch-22 situation. | 0:33:12 | 0:33:17 | |
She needed the experience to get the job, | 0:33:17 | 0:33:20 | |
but without the job, she couldn't get the experience. | 0:33:20 | 0:33:23 | |
Thanks to the Wage Incentive Scheme, she ended up picking up those skills | 0:33:23 | 0:33:28 | |
which hopefully will give her a successful career as a hairdresser. | 0:33:28 | 0:33:32 | |
Who knows, one day she might even have her own salon. | 0:33:32 | 0:33:35 | |
'Right, from feel good to real greed. | 0:33:39 | 0:33:43 | |
'Time to revisit the scroungers who are ripping off the taxpayer. | 0:33:43 | 0:33:47 | |
'In Croydon, Surrey, the fraud investigation team are on the case of Theresa Aldous, a widow, | 0:33:48 | 0:33:54 | |
'who, since 2002, had received nearly £15,000 worth of widows' pension from the government | 0:33:54 | 0:34:00 | |
'and nearly £15,000 of housing benefits from Croydon Council. | 0:34:00 | 0:34:06 | |
'But after two anonymous tip-offs, | 0:34:06 | 0:34:09 | |
'the team began to suspect that Mrs Aldous was, in fact, Mrs Martin, | 0:34:09 | 0:34:13 | |
'as allegations suggested she'd married for a second time in 2002 | 0:34:13 | 0:34:18 | |
'but then lost her new husband, Richard Martin, | 0:34:18 | 0:34:21 | |
'when he passed away in Crete four years later. | 0:34:21 | 0:34:24 | |
'To make the case watertight, | 0:34:25 | 0:34:27 | |
'fraud investigator Gail Campbell needed to get hold of a Greek marriage certificate | 0:34:27 | 0:34:33 | |
'that would prove that five years after her previous husband died, | 0:34:33 | 0:34:36 | |
'Aldous remarried Richard Martin and moved into his home | 0:34:36 | 0:34:40 | |
'but continued to claim a widows' pension and benefits | 0:34:40 | 0:34:44 | |
'to pay for a house that her daughter lived in.' | 0:34:44 | 0:34:47 | |
When we try to get information from a foreign authority, it's very hit and miss. | 0:34:47 | 0:34:51 | |
Sometimes you write to them and they don't even respond at all. | 0:34:51 | 0:34:55 | |
You don't know if you've written to the correct person, | 0:34:55 | 0:34:58 | |
the correct agency, or they've read it and thought, "I'm not interested." | 0:34:58 | 0:35:02 | |
You're constantly chasing them. | 0:35:02 | 0:35:05 | |
'But having contacted the correct agencies and completed the relevant paperwork, | 0:35:05 | 0:35:09 | |
'Gail was prepared to play a waiting game for a crucial piece of evidence. | 0:35:09 | 0:35:14 | |
'And two months later, her patience paid off.' | 0:35:14 | 0:35:17 | |
When the letter came, it had inside it the marriage certificate. | 0:35:18 | 0:35:23 | |
But the certificate was in Greek. | 0:35:24 | 0:35:27 | |
So none of us in the office were able to speak Greek, | 0:35:27 | 0:35:30 | |
and for a moment, it was a bit, "Mm, is this what we're looking for?" | 0:35:30 | 0:35:35 | |
With the certificate was a letter from the Foreign and Commonwealth Office | 0:35:35 | 0:35:41 | |
to confirm that they had found the certificate of marriage | 0:35:41 | 0:35:44 | |
and that that was a true copy of the certificate. | 0:35:44 | 0:35:47 | |
So we didn't need to then get anybody to look at it and confirm that for us. | 0:35:47 | 0:35:52 | |
'It was a great result for the team who'd been holding out for this key piece of evidence. | 0:35:53 | 0:35:58 | |
'It proved that Aldous had failed to change her circumstances | 0:35:58 | 0:36:01 | |
'with both the Department for Work and Pensions, who provided her widows' pension, | 0:36:01 | 0:36:05 | |
'and Croydon Council, who subsidised her housing. | 0:36:05 | 0:36:08 | |
'On 6th November 2007, | 0:36:09 | 0:36:12 | |
'Gail brought Aldous in for an interview under caution. | 0:36:12 | 0:36:16 | |
'It wasn't exactly smooth sailing.' | 0:36:16 | 0:36:18 | |
The first interview didn't really result in us getting very much information from Theresa, | 0:36:18 | 0:36:23 | |
although she was fully aware by that time of why we needed to talk to her. | 0:36:23 | 0:36:28 | |
She came with a solicitor and her sister. | 0:36:28 | 0:36:31 | |
The interview with Theresa was slightly different | 0:36:31 | 0:36:33 | |
to any of the interviews I've ever done before with anybody else | 0:36:33 | 0:36:36 | |
because Theresa is deaf. | 0:36:36 | 0:36:39 | |
'The interview took longer than most because Gail had to make sure | 0:36:39 | 0:36:43 | |
'that Aldous understood everything the investigators were telling her. | 0:36:43 | 0:36:47 | |
'They'd also agreed to share all their evidence | 0:36:47 | 0:36:49 | |
'with Aldous's legal representative before they started questioning. | 0:36:49 | 0:36:53 | |
'This included new information that Aldous had hired a solicitor | 0:36:53 | 0:36:56 | |
'to activate probate for the estate of Richard Martin, | 0:36:56 | 0:37:00 | |
'declaring herself his widow.' | 0:37:00 | 0:37:03 | |
Halfway through the interview, Theresa then became upset | 0:37:04 | 0:37:08 | |
and it was suggested that the interview should be terminated and then rescheduled. | 0:37:08 | 0:37:13 | |
'Gail tried to reschedule a second interview with Aldous's solicitor | 0:37:13 | 0:37:17 | |
'who said she'd better be quick because their client was jetting off on holiday to Crete that weekend. | 0:37:17 | 0:37:23 | |
'Yeah, it's all right for some. | 0:37:23 | 0:37:25 | |
'Gail made sure she squeezed Aldous into her busy schedule | 0:37:25 | 0:37:28 | |
'and grilled her about why she hadn't told the authorities that she'd remarried.' | 0:37:28 | 0:37:32 | |
She said her husband told her he would tell all the departments | 0:37:32 | 0:37:38 | |
that needed to know about the marriage and that included | 0:37:38 | 0:37:41 | |
Department for Work and Pensions and the council. | 0:37:41 | 0:37:44 | |
Apparently he was going to tell these departments because she's deaf. | 0:37:44 | 0:37:48 | |
Throughout the lengthy interview, she didn't really admit to very much | 0:37:48 | 0:37:52 | |
but she did admit that a ceremony had taken place in Crete. | 0:37:52 | 0:37:56 | |
She did say it was a form of wedding | 0:37:56 | 0:37:59 | |
but it wasn't something that was recognised in the UK. | 0:37:59 | 0:38:01 | |
We had the evidence that it was a legitimate wedding. | 0:38:01 | 0:38:05 | |
We had the certificate and it was authenticated by the authorities, | 0:38:05 | 0:38:09 | |
so that was enough evidence for us | 0:38:09 | 0:38:12 | |
to have her benefit cancelled back to the date of marriage. | 0:38:12 | 0:38:16 | |
'Aldous also admitted she'd failed to declare a private pension that belonged to Richard Martin | 0:38:17 | 0:38:22 | |
'and paid her £146 a month in 2010, | 0:38:22 | 0:38:26 | |
'as well as the bank account it was paid into. | 0:38:26 | 0:38:30 | |
'This would've meant she was not entitled to the benefit she was claiming. | 0:38:30 | 0:38:33 | |
'Richard Martin was never implicated in any of these scams, | 0:38:33 | 0:38:37 | |
'but the Croydon fraud team had all they needed for a prosecution of Theresa Aldous. | 0:38:37 | 0:38:43 | |
'Since 2002, she'd fraudulently claimed | 0:38:43 | 0:38:46 | |
'over £25,000 in housing benefit, | 0:38:46 | 0:38:49 | |
'almost £3,000 of council tax benefit | 0:38:49 | 0:38:53 | |
'and nearly £15,000 worth of widows' pension. | 0:38:53 | 0:38:58 | |
'That's almost a massive £43,000. | 0:38:58 | 0:39:02 | |
'On 25th April 2012 at Croydon Crown Court, | 0:39:02 | 0:39:05 | |
'Theresa Aldous pleaded not guilty to the following four charges. | 0:39:05 | 0:39:09 | |
'She was found guilty of all four charges | 0:39:19 | 0:39:22 | |
'and sent down for a six-month prison sentence.' | 0:39:22 | 0:39:26 | |
So Croydon has its conviction, but I'm sensing there's more for you to do. | 0:39:26 | 0:39:30 | |
Well, it was interesting. During the course of the investigation, | 0:39:30 | 0:39:33 | |
Gail had heard some rumours | 0:39:33 | 0:39:35 | |
that Aldous had inherited some money. | 0:39:35 | 0:39:38 | |
OK. So if it's true that there was something she hadn't declared, | 0:39:38 | 0:39:42 | |
how do you go about chasing that down? | 0:39:42 | 0:39:45 | |
What I decided to do was get our financial investigator | 0:39:45 | 0:39:47 | |
to look at it and see if there was any truth in this. | 0:39:47 | 0:39:50 | |
'Step forward Zoe Neale, a Croydon financial investigator | 0:39:50 | 0:39:54 | |
'who continued to delve into Aldous's finances | 0:39:54 | 0:39:57 | |
'while she was serving her prison sentence.' | 0:39:57 | 0:40:00 | |
In a case like Theresa Aldous, | 0:40:00 | 0:40:03 | |
Gail and I would work together, but she's looking purely at the benefit offences | 0:40:03 | 0:40:07 | |
and I'm looking not just at the benefit, but also at the money. | 0:40:07 | 0:40:10 | |
I'm looking at where does the money come from? Where does the money go to? | 0:40:10 | 0:40:14 | |
I'm looking for any unexplained cash deposits, | 0:40:14 | 0:40:17 | |
any unexplained cash withdrawals. | 0:40:17 | 0:40:19 | |
I'm looking for, does she have mortgages, foreign transactions, | 0:40:19 | 0:40:23 | |
is she using a money service bureau to move money about? | 0:40:23 | 0:40:26 | |
I'm looking for what has she gained? Has she got a house? Has she got a car? | 0:40:26 | 0:40:30 | |
Has she been buying jewellery? | 0:40:30 | 0:40:32 | |
Anything which would lead me to think she's been disposing either of her assets | 0:40:32 | 0:40:36 | |
or trying to trace what has she gained as a result of her offending? | 0:40:36 | 0:40:39 | |
'Zoe discovered that Aldous had received two instalments of inheritance from Richard Martin | 0:40:39 | 0:40:45 | |
'which totalled £43,000. | 0:40:45 | 0:40:48 | |
'By 2012, six years after his death, | 0:40:48 | 0:40:50 | |
'Aldous only had £19,000 left, although she admitted in court | 0:40:50 | 0:40:56 | |
'to spending £15,000 on her Crete wedding. | 0:40:56 | 0:40:59 | |
'After Aldous's sentencing, Croydon Council issued a confiscation order | 0:41:00 | 0:41:05 | |
'under the Proceeds of Crime Act for £19,000, | 0:41:05 | 0:41:08 | |
'the amount of inheritance Aldous had left. | 0:41:08 | 0:41:12 | |
'She was given six months to pay or she faced going back to prison.' | 0:41:12 | 0:41:16 | |
At the confiscation hearing, the judge specifically said to her | 0:41:16 | 0:41:20 | |
and to her barrister, "How can she repay the money?" | 0:41:20 | 0:41:23 | |
And they specifically said the family would repay the money. | 0:41:23 | 0:41:26 | |
'However, three months after the deadline, in June 2013, | 0:41:27 | 0:41:32 | |
'the Croydon investigators were back at court.' | 0:41:32 | 0:41:34 | |
Today we're at Westminster Magistrates Court. | 0:41:35 | 0:41:38 | |
We're here for an enforcement hearing about Theresa Martin, also known as Theresa Aldous. | 0:41:38 | 0:41:43 | |
In September last year, she was due to pay a confiscation order of £19,000. | 0:41:43 | 0:41:49 | |
However, we've been informed she hasn't repaid the money. | 0:41:49 | 0:41:52 | |
So we're here today for an enforcement hearing | 0:41:52 | 0:41:54 | |
for her to explain to the court why this has not been paid. | 0:41:54 | 0:41:57 | |
The best outcome would be if they pay the money today. | 0:41:57 | 0:42:00 | |
The worst case scenario is she doesn't turn up, | 0:42:00 | 0:42:03 | |
we then have to speak to somebody about trying to trace her. | 0:42:03 | 0:42:07 | |
'Theresa Aldous did turn up to the hearing. | 0:42:07 | 0:42:11 | |
'But the Croydon investigators didn't get the outcome they were hoping for.' | 0:42:11 | 0:42:14 | |
The court asked why she's not made any effort to repay the £19,000 she owes. | 0:42:15 | 0:42:21 | |
Erm, and the defence lawyer said that's because she doesn't have the money. | 0:42:21 | 0:42:26 | |
'A disappointing result for the team, | 0:42:26 | 0:42:29 | |
'but they remain confident that one way or another | 0:42:29 | 0:42:32 | |
'justice will be served.' | 0:42:32 | 0:42:35 | |
At the next hearing, if she has still not paid anything | 0:42:35 | 0:42:38 | |
or has made very limited efforts to repay, | 0:42:38 | 0:42:40 | |
the most viable alternative is for her to serve her default sentence, | 0:42:40 | 0:42:44 | |
which is nine months in prison. | 0:42:44 | 0:42:46 | |
And while she's in prison, the debt still keeps accruing, | 0:42:46 | 0:42:49 | |
and interest accrues, so when she comes out of prison, | 0:42:49 | 0:42:52 | |
she'll still owe us the money, plus the interest on top. | 0:42:52 | 0:42:55 | |
She's done the crime and now, unless she pays the money back, | 0:42:55 | 0:42:59 | |
she could end up doing even more time. | 0:42:59 | 0:43:02 | |
As to the investigators at Croydon Council, well, they're like a dog with a bone, | 0:43:02 | 0:43:06 | |
trying to claw back every single penny that Theresa Aldous owes | 0:43:06 | 0:43:10 | |
so it can go back where it belongs, in the public pot. | 0:43:10 | 0:43:14 | |
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