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-..500,000, 19 million... -The art world - | 0:00:02 | 0:00:04 | |
glamour, wealth, intrigue. | 0:00:04 | 0:00:08 | |
95? Selling at 95 million. | 0:00:09 | 0:00:11 | |
Beneath the surface there's a darker place - a world of high stakes and gambles. | 0:00:13 | 0:00:18 | |
International art dealer Philip Mould knows the risks. | 0:00:21 | 0:00:24 | |
He hunts down sleepers - paintings that hide secrets. | 0:00:24 | 0:00:28 | |
-In the past, we looked -at -pictures, now, almost, you can look through them. | 0:00:29 | 0:00:33 | |
Paint almost acts like blood at a crime scene. | 0:00:33 | 0:00:37 | |
I'm Fiona Bruce, with over 20 years' experience as a journalist. | 0:00:39 | 0:00:42 | |
Every picture tells its own story, and it's up to us to try and uncover it. | 0:00:43 | 0:00:48 | |
We're teaming up to investigate human dramas and mysterious tales locked in paint. | 0:00:48 | 0:00:54 | |
This story began with a magical discovery at an Antiques Roadshow. | 0:00:58 | 0:01:02 | |
You've got a picture worth up to £30,000. | 0:01:02 | 0:01:05 | |
Bingo! | 0:01:05 | 0:01:07 | |
A rubbish-tip find took Tony and his daughter, Selina, halfway around the world. | 0:01:07 | 0:01:13 | |
Bidding here now at 120,000. I have 130,000. | 0:01:15 | 0:01:19 | |
But no-one could have predicted how it would end. | 0:01:19 | 0:01:22 | |
-That's the first time I've seen it in nearly 15 years. -Really? -In the business. This last-minute, yes. Yes. | 0:01:22 | 0:01:28 | |
And I'm selling at 300,000. | 0:01:28 | 0:01:32 | |
Sold. | 0:01:32 | 0:01:33 | |
Right, here we are. | 0:01:47 | 0:01:48 | |
We're at Cobh - or COVE, I think it's pronounced. | 0:01:48 | 0:01:51 | |
-Are you good at sort of shouting out as we go along? -I'm very good at shouting. | 0:01:51 | 0:01:56 | |
-Whether I'm good at map reading and shouting, I don't know. -So you can be like a talking sat nav. | 0:01:56 | 0:02:01 | |
"When the ferry docks, turn left." | 0:02:01 | 0:02:04 | |
That's what I reckon. | 0:02:04 | 0:02:06 | |
You've got one of those sort of | 0:02:06 | 0:02:08 | |
"you must obey" but also seductive voices. | 0:02:08 | 0:02:11 | |
In fact, you'd actually make a rather good sat nav. | 0:02:11 | 0:02:14 | |
Philip and I found ourselves in an unusual spot for an art investigation. | 0:02:16 | 0:02:21 | |
We were brought to this quiet corner on the southwest coast of Ireland | 0:02:21 | 0:02:25 | |
by a chance encounter at an Antiques Roadshow. | 0:02:25 | 0:02:28 | |
So you went on a fishing trip but you came back with more than just fish, you came back with these. | 0:02:30 | 0:02:36 | |
Yeah, it's my local spot I fish | 0:02:36 | 0:02:40 | |
cos it's only half a mile walking distance to where I fish, | 0:02:40 | 0:02:44 | |
and so I just gathered them up and took them home. | 0:02:44 | 0:02:47 | |
Most interesting. Have you actually reflected on what's written in the bottom right-hand corner? | 0:02:47 | 0:02:52 | |
"Winslow Homer." Winslow Homer is about the most important water colourist | 0:02:52 | 0:02:57 | |
-at work in America in the 19th century. -Yeah? | 0:02:57 | 0:02:59 | |
He's one of the great artists who define American art heritage. | 0:02:59 | 0:03:04 | |
You netted something else that day. You've got a picture worth up to £30,000. | 0:03:04 | 0:03:09 | |
THEY LAUGH AND GASP | 0:03:11 | 0:03:14 | |
Bingo! You don't have to cry, my love. It's yours. | 0:03:17 | 0:03:22 | |
It took a couple of days for it to sink in, quite what had happened. | 0:03:22 | 0:03:27 | |
The name Winslow Homer is hugely important. | 0:03:27 | 0:03:31 | |
I mean, he's not known to all people in this country, but in America he's got almost mythical status. | 0:03:31 | 0:03:37 | |
The combination of a great name like that and a painting that had been found on a rubbish dump | 0:03:37 | 0:03:44 | |
was the stuff of fairy-tales. | 0:03:44 | 0:03:46 | |
-HE SIGHS -I can't wait to get to this place. | 0:03:48 | 0:03:51 | |
I've got this bleary image | 0:03:51 | 0:03:53 | |
of rubbish dumps and treasures and all this sort of business. | 0:03:53 | 0:03:58 | |
Also, once we see it, we'll get a clearer idea of how on earth it could have got there | 0:03:58 | 0:04:02 | |
and who might have put it there. | 0:04:02 | 0:04:05 | |
Tony Varney was the lucky fisherman who found that bundle of pictures | 0:04:05 | 0:04:10 | |
20 years ago, next to a rubbish tip in Youghal, County Cork. | 0:04:10 | 0:04:14 | |
He was living there at the time. | 0:04:14 | 0:04:17 | |
We're hoping that by coming back here we can establish | 0:04:17 | 0:04:20 | |
how they got to the dump and just who the children in this painting might be. | 0:04:20 | 0:04:25 | |
It all started just here. | 0:04:25 | 0:04:28 | |
-What? Just here? -Just here. | 0:04:28 | 0:04:31 | |
-Just this patch of dirt? That's where you found it? -Yes. | 0:04:31 | 0:04:34 | |
I pulled up the vehicle here and there were the pictures, simple as that. | 0:04:34 | 0:04:38 | |
Take us back 20 years ago - what was here then? | 0:04:38 | 0:04:40 | |
Just a dirt bank up here, | 0:04:40 | 0:04:44 | |
where you could pull in a vehicle, and a hole in the fence where you could go fishing. | 0:04:44 | 0:04:49 | |
And there was a tip here then, wasn't there? | 0:04:49 | 0:04:52 | |
There was a tip here then which has now, as you can see, it's been turned into a recycling centre. | 0:04:52 | 0:04:57 | |
The thing that intrigues me is who owns this picture? | 0:04:57 | 0:05:00 | |
If you pick something up on a tip, there's the issue... | 0:05:00 | 0:05:03 | |
-OUTSIDE the tip. -Outside the tip. That's an important differentiation. | 0:05:03 | 0:05:07 | |
The legality of whoever brought it here, should they have owned it, had they half-inched it, | 0:05:07 | 0:05:12 | |
then is it finders keepers? If you find it, does it automatically belong to you? | 0:05:12 | 0:05:16 | |
-I don't know. We need to find out. -I don't know. -Looking around me here, looking back to Youghal, | 0:05:16 | 0:05:22 | |
looking out to those mountains, I feel there must be someone out there, | 0:05:22 | 0:05:26 | |
-within the vicinity, who had a connection with these pictures. -So a local person? | 0:05:26 | 0:05:31 | |
-It stands to reason, doesn't it? Otherwise why dump it here? -I think it's absolutely fascinating, | 0:05:31 | 0:05:36 | |
and I feel that if we can crack that, we can crack a lot of what these pictures are all about. | 0:05:36 | 0:05:41 | |
I get the impression with Tony, cos he's so laid back, | 0:05:43 | 0:05:47 | |
-that if he hadn't gone by car that day... -Quite! | 0:05:47 | 0:05:49 | |
-If those paintings had been there and he'd been on foot, he would have just left them. -I know. | 0:05:49 | 0:05:54 | |
-It's amazing! -He's obviously a passionate hoarder-type collector, isn't he? | 0:05:54 | 0:05:58 | |
He's one of those people that will pick up anything, and he's picked up a Winslow Homer. | 0:05:58 | 0:06:02 | |
-As long as it is a Winslow Homer. -That's a good point! | 0:06:02 | 0:06:05 | |
-If it's not a Winslow Homer, of course, everything goes flat. -Yeah. -But I'm convinced it is. | 0:06:05 | 0:06:11 | |
I hope that Philip's right, because when I met Tony and his daughter, Selina, at the Roadshow, | 0:06:16 | 0:06:21 | |
I got the feeling there's a lot riding on this for them. | 0:06:21 | 0:06:24 | |
We haven't had time to think, | 0:06:24 | 0:06:26 | |
and all I can say is that we can't believe our luck. | 0:06:26 | 0:06:30 | |
We don't like the picture. It will be restored and sold, | 0:06:30 | 0:06:35 | |
-and the daughter and my grandchildren will benefit from it. -Very nice, too. | 0:06:35 | 0:06:40 | |
Tony had given the painting to his daughter before the Roadshow. | 0:06:40 | 0:06:43 | |
If my valuation is right, she could now benefit to the tune of £30,000 when this picture sells. | 0:06:43 | 0:06:50 | |
With Tony and Selina keen to sell the picture, we need to get to work, | 0:06:57 | 0:07:01 | |
because there are many unanswered questions. | 0:07:01 | 0:07:04 | |
We're regrouping at our base in the heart of London's art world, | 0:07:04 | 0:07:07 | |
where Philip's head of research, Dr Bendor Grosvenor, has been preparing the ground. | 0:07:07 | 0:07:12 | |
The thing is, I don't want to sound like a total pleb here, | 0:07:12 | 0:07:15 | |
but I'm just not that impressed by this Winslow Homer painting. | 0:07:15 | 0:07:18 | |
I mean, it just doesn't look that great to me, to be honest. | 0:07:18 | 0:07:22 | |
You really have to get your head around how big a name Winslow Homer is. | 0:07:22 | 0:07:26 | |
I mean, in the 19th century, in America, frankly, this man has got no equals. | 0:07:26 | 0:07:30 | |
Have a look at some of these. | 0:07:30 | 0:07:32 | |
This was once the most expensive American painting ever sold. | 0:07:32 | 0:07:37 | |
It now belongs to Bill Gates, and he bought it for a reported 30 million. | 0:07:37 | 0:07:40 | |
-30 million?! -It's entitled Lost On The Grand Banks. | 0:07:40 | 0:07:45 | |
There's almost a sort of cinematic feeling that the artist is there, | 0:07:45 | 0:07:49 | |
hanging over the event with a camera. | 0:07:49 | 0:07:51 | |
This is entitled Life Line, and it's exactly that - someone being saved out to sea. | 0:07:51 | 0:07:56 | |
I mean, I agree. Those are dramatic, they're gripping, I mean, they're wonderful. | 0:07:56 | 0:08:01 | |
But the little watercolour that Selina and Tony got, it doesn't look anything like these. | 0:08:01 | 0:08:08 | |
That's the key thing about Selina's picture - the fact that it's a watercolour, | 0:08:08 | 0:08:12 | |
because Winslow Homer is the pre-eminent American watercolourist, | 0:08:12 | 0:08:15 | |
-and the auction record for one of his watercolours is nearly 5 million. -Five million?! | 0:08:15 | 0:08:20 | |
And so what we're doing is showing you the type of stuff | 0:08:20 | 0:08:24 | |
that by association will make those three children highly desirable. | 0:08:24 | 0:08:29 | |
The power of that association is about to be tested. | 0:08:32 | 0:08:35 | |
Selina and Tony have taken the picture to Sotheby's in London, | 0:08:35 | 0:08:38 | |
who bounced it to their art team in New York, | 0:08:38 | 0:08:41 | |
where the leading American experts in Winslow Homer are keen to verify it before putting it up for sale. | 0:08:41 | 0:08:46 | |
The picture has jet-setted a long way from the dusty loft in Selina's home in the West Midlands. | 0:08:54 | 0:09:00 | |
Well, this is basically where the painting's spent half of its life in my loft. | 0:09:00 | 0:09:06 | |
As you can see, it's full of bits and bobs, | 0:09:06 | 0:09:11 | |
lots of it being my father's, as you see here - | 0:09:11 | 0:09:15 | |
some more of his bits he's brought over. Old things that he's had over the years. | 0:09:15 | 0:09:20 | |
Magazines that he just hasn't thrown. | 0:09:20 | 0:09:23 | |
He keeps them. And these are like 1960s. | 0:09:23 | 0:09:28 | |
Some are even older than that. And here's some cards. | 0:09:28 | 0:09:32 | |
It's just full of bits. This is a painting he gave me. | 0:09:32 | 0:09:36 | |
I haven't thrown it. I just put it in the loft, as I treated the other one. | 0:09:36 | 0:09:43 | |
What lay in Selina's loft all those years was the work of one of America's most influential artists, | 0:09:45 | 0:09:51 | |
but my research shows that Winslow Homer was deeply influenced by a period | 0:09:51 | 0:09:55 | |
surprisingly spent in Britain, in 1881. | 0:09:55 | 0:09:59 | |
His love of marine pictures drew him to Cullercoats | 0:09:59 | 0:10:02 | |
on the northeast coast, just a few miles from Newcastle. | 0:10:02 | 0:10:07 | |
I want to show Fiona where Homer honed his skills. | 0:10:07 | 0:10:11 | |
Was there some kind of artistic community here, or did he just happen upon Cullercoats? | 0:10:15 | 0:10:20 | |
By the time he arrived, there were a few artists here. | 0:10:20 | 0:10:23 | |
It's possible he had a conversation on the ship over and someone recommended it. | 0:10:23 | 0:10:27 | |
There's another reason, though - he loved fishing. Fishing populates his pictures. | 0:10:27 | 0:10:31 | |
It's quite possible he just came here because of his enthusiasm. | 0:10:31 | 0:10:35 | |
One critic said that after Cullercoats things completely changed, and they did. | 0:10:35 | 0:10:40 | |
His artistic style completely changed? | 0:10:40 | 0:10:43 | |
Before he came to England, in the early part of his career, in the 1860s, | 0:10:43 | 0:10:47 | |
he was an illustrator of the Civil War, so he always thought like someone who needs to tell a story. | 0:10:47 | 0:10:54 | |
What is it about his paintings and his techniques? | 0:10:54 | 0:10:57 | |
It's the sketchiness, the freedom, the fluency of them. | 0:10:57 | 0:11:01 | |
He would just stand out here on the beach, on the breakwater, and just dash the painting off? | 0:11:01 | 0:11:05 | |
You can't sit down and put up an easel when there's a storm out at sea. | 0:11:05 | 0:11:10 | |
I think what he did was he used sketches. He would have done quick sketches, | 0:11:10 | 0:11:15 | |
but he also used photography, and there are photographs by Winslow Homer. | 0:11:15 | 0:11:19 | |
And I think it was a combination of those things and a great memory. | 0:11:19 | 0:11:23 | |
Artists, great artists, often have that really powerful, visual memory. | 0:11:23 | 0:11:28 | |
I mean, the word "impressionist" is overused, | 0:11:28 | 0:11:32 | |
but I think you can use that word about Winslow Homer. | 0:11:32 | 0:11:35 | |
He was, perhaps, the first American impressionist. | 0:11:35 | 0:11:38 | |
I mean, one of the techniques he used to great effect was to profile his figures. | 0:11:40 | 0:11:45 | |
And in order to heighten the drama, he loved to silhouette his figures against | 0:11:45 | 0:11:51 | |
a big sky or a high sea, | 0:11:51 | 0:11:53 | |
so the sea acts almost like a sort of wall, but a wall for different characters. | 0:11:53 | 0:12:01 | |
This is an example of his love of real, live drama. | 0:12:01 | 0:12:05 | |
Do you recognise where that is? | 0:12:05 | 0:12:08 | |
-That's that building just back there, isn't it? -Yeah. | 0:12:08 | 0:12:11 | |
It was the lifeboat lookout house, wasn't it? | 0:12:11 | 0:12:14 | |
Yeah. Just look at the quality of the colouring in that. | 0:12:14 | 0:12:18 | |
It's almost like he's a journalistic photographer on the scene. | 0:12:18 | 0:12:21 | |
Yes, it's like it's a snapshot - a moment in time. | 0:12:21 | 0:12:24 | |
I mean, they're very different from the picture that turned up that day at the Antiques Roadshow. | 0:12:26 | 0:12:31 | |
How was it so obvious to you? I know it was signed, but it could have been a fake. | 0:12:31 | 0:12:35 | |
How could you tell that it had the stamp of authenticity, that it really was a Winslow Homer? | 0:12:35 | 0:12:40 | |
Well, have a look at this one. That again is very close to here. | 0:12:40 | 0:12:45 | |
Two or three things. One, there's a crispness and a confidence, and the use of the washes. | 0:12:45 | 0:12:52 | |
And if you look at the colours, | 0:12:52 | 0:12:54 | |
there's a sort of taste for exoticism which we see in that watercolour. | 0:12:54 | 0:12:58 | |
This one, I can begin to see, | 0:12:58 | 0:13:00 | |
has echoes of the painting we saw at the Antiques Roadshow, and the way the faces are done, actually. | 0:13:00 | 0:13:05 | |
The shadow - look, there - on the eye and the eye socket. | 0:13:05 | 0:13:08 | |
You're absolutely right. There's a similar look to our kids. | 0:13:08 | 0:13:13 | |
There were five other pictures found by Tony on the tip. | 0:13:17 | 0:13:20 | |
Perhaps they're the clues we need to unpick the mystery of how they got there. | 0:13:20 | 0:13:26 | |
My head of research, Bendor, has called us back to base | 0:13:26 | 0:13:29 | |
to bring us up to date with some important information about the other pictures. | 0:13:29 | 0:13:33 | |
The most interesting one was this watercolour on the bottom left here. | 0:13:33 | 0:13:39 | |
It's actually a scene of a beach in the Bahamas. | 0:13:39 | 0:13:43 | |
And there's an inscription at the bottom which identifies | 0:13:43 | 0:13:46 | |
that it was painted by someone described as "Her Excellency, Mrs Blake". | 0:13:46 | 0:13:49 | |
Now, Mrs Blake was the wife of the governor of the Bahama Islands, | 0:13:49 | 0:13:54 | |
so that's presumably why she's painting a beach in the Bahamas. | 0:13:54 | 0:13:58 | |
Amongst the other stuff found on the tip was this invitation here, to an exhibition in Jamaica. | 0:13:58 | 0:14:04 | |
And this, it turns out, is a likeness of the Blakes themselves. | 0:14:04 | 0:14:09 | |
-I don't believe it. -So that's Lady Blake there? -That's Lady Blake. | 0:14:09 | 0:14:13 | |
-How can you be sure? -We found other pictures of them and other likenesses, and it all matches up. | 0:14:13 | 0:14:18 | |
-And that's her? -And this here is the governor himself. | 0:14:18 | 0:14:22 | |
-The governor! -I can't believe it! We've been looking at them all the time. | 0:14:22 | 0:14:26 | |
-So that was with the painting? -Yeah. -And there they are. | 0:14:26 | 0:14:29 | |
We've got a connection here. | 0:14:29 | 0:14:31 | |
The really intriguing thing is the fact that the Blakes were in the Bahamas in the mid-1880s. | 0:14:31 | 0:14:38 | |
We also know that Winslow Homer was in the Bahamas in the mid-1880s. | 0:14:38 | 0:14:43 | |
So, it's possible, given that the Homer was found amongst | 0:14:43 | 0:14:47 | |
this Blake stuff, that there's a connection here that we need to check out. | 0:14:47 | 0:14:51 | |
So, they could have been there at the same time? | 0:14:51 | 0:14:54 | |
-They could have. -They could have met? | 0:14:54 | 0:14:56 | |
They could possibly have met. Or it's possible that the picture was painted in the Bahamas, | 0:14:56 | 0:15:01 | |
-and that's why there's this beach scene together with it. -How are we going to take it further? | 0:15:01 | 0:15:05 | |
I've taken this as far as I can go here in the libraries and on the internet. | 0:15:05 | 0:15:10 | |
If we're going to prove this connection between Winslow Homer and the Blakes, | 0:15:10 | 0:15:14 | |
one of us needs to go and have a rummage around in the archives in the Bahamas. | 0:15:14 | 0:15:18 | |
Well, that's straightforward. I'm off to New York this week and I'll go via the Bahamas. | 0:15:18 | 0:15:23 | |
Hang on a minute! You're going to the Bahamas, and I get to go to Coventry? | 0:15:23 | 0:15:27 | |
What's wrong with that? | 0:15:27 | 0:15:28 | |
As well as working as a part-time carer, single mum Selina has four kids. | 0:15:35 | 0:15:41 | |
I can't believe you've got four kids! | 0:15:41 | 0:15:43 | |
You must a been a child-bride! So, talk me through the kids, then. | 0:15:43 | 0:15:46 | |
How old are they? | 0:15:46 | 0:15:48 | |
Eleanor's 17. | 0:15:48 | 0:15:51 | |
Anthony's 15. | 0:15:51 | 0:15:53 | |
Ricky's 12, | 0:15:53 | 0:15:56 | |
and Rose is ten. | 0:15:56 | 0:15:58 | |
They are lovely kids. | 0:16:00 | 0:16:01 | |
They've stuck by me. They are very, very good, loyal, loving children. | 0:16:01 | 0:16:06 | |
They are what I get up each day for. They are good. | 0:16:06 | 0:16:09 | |
So, how do you feel at the moment? | 0:16:09 | 0:16:11 | |
Are you kind of excited, a bit anxious? | 0:16:11 | 0:16:15 | |
I'm excited, but I'm also nervous | 0:16:15 | 0:16:19 | |
cos at the moment, the painting's at Sotheby's, | 0:16:19 | 0:16:23 | |
waiting to find out if it is an original, because they could ring | 0:16:23 | 0:16:27 | |
or write any time now and say, "It's just a copy." So, that's it... | 0:16:27 | 0:16:32 | |
If it does go for what Philip thinks it might, 30 grand or so, that's a lot of money. | 0:16:32 | 0:16:38 | |
-What difference would it make to you to have that kind of money? -Gosh, loads. | 0:16:38 | 0:16:42 | |
I've never had anything like that. £30, let alone 30 grand! | 0:16:42 | 0:16:45 | |
I just know that the four children will have a secure little nest-egg | 0:16:45 | 0:16:50 | |
for them, between the four of them. | 0:16:50 | 0:16:52 | |
It'll give them a good start, so, yeah. | 0:16:52 | 0:16:55 | |
I'm following in Winslow Homer's footsteps to Nassau in the Bahamas. | 0:17:00 | 0:17:05 | |
I want to know why he painted our picture and who the subjects are. | 0:17:06 | 0:17:11 | |
From Homer's letters, we know he landed here in December 1884 | 0:17:11 | 0:17:16 | |
and that he stayed at the Royal Victoria Hotel. | 0:17:16 | 0:17:20 | |
I'm hoping they have a record of his visit. | 0:17:20 | 0:17:23 | |
This is looking a bit strange. | 0:17:26 | 0:17:29 | |
There's no obvious hotel here. | 0:17:29 | 0:17:32 | |
And over there, there looks... | 0:17:33 | 0:17:37 | |
like a slightly grand-looking building. | 0:17:37 | 0:17:40 | |
And then there's something over there in that corner, but... | 0:17:40 | 0:17:44 | |
..this is the place where the hotel should be. | 0:17:45 | 0:17:48 | |
The Royal Victoria Hotel was the only hotel on the island when Homer came here to paint. | 0:17:50 | 0:17:55 | |
It was a glamorous retreat for the social elite. | 0:17:55 | 0:17:59 | |
The only thing that remains is the silk cotton tree, a feature of the hotel for almost a century. | 0:17:59 | 0:18:05 | |
Bendor's research says it was from this perch a calypso band played for guests like Homer. | 0:18:05 | 0:18:11 | |
That's disappointing. These great gateposts that promised a story | 0:18:12 | 0:18:16 | |
and sort of delivered nothing, really. | 0:18:16 | 0:18:18 | |
But it's not all bad, because I know that there is the National Records Office in town, open tomorrow, | 0:18:18 | 0:18:24 | |
and with any luck, it'll throw up something. | 0:18:24 | 0:18:27 | |
Back in London, I'm eager to get some legal advice, because what worries me | 0:18:32 | 0:18:36 | |
is whether Tony and Selina really own the picture. | 0:18:36 | 0:18:40 | |
What exactly does the saying "finders keepers" mean? | 0:18:40 | 0:18:43 | |
And what checks need to be done? | 0:18:43 | 0:18:46 | |
Dick Ellis set up the Art and Antiques Squad at Scotland Yard in 1989. | 0:18:48 | 0:18:53 | |
He now works as an investigator, recovering stolen works of art. | 0:18:53 | 0:18:58 | |
Sotheby's say they are doing what's called "due diligence". What does that involve? | 0:18:59 | 0:19:05 | |
It's looking through the background, the provenance of an object. | 0:19:05 | 0:19:08 | |
Is the person who's offering it for sale a genuine owner? | 0:19:08 | 0:19:12 | |
Everything that the major auction houses sell is checked against | 0:19:12 | 0:19:15 | |
the stolen art databases to ensure that these things aren't recorded somewhere as stolen. | 0:19:15 | 0:19:20 | |
So, due diligence now is a very, very important part of buying and selling works of art. | 0:19:20 | 0:19:28 | |
The thing that struck me is that Tony found this painting with a few other paintings just outside a dump. | 0:19:28 | 0:19:35 | |
-Does that mean it's his? It doesn't belong to the council? -No, it doesn't entirely. | 0:19:35 | 0:19:40 | |
As this was in Ireland, you have to look at the Irish law, but it's very similar to the English law. | 0:19:40 | 0:19:45 | |
And what the common law, going way back, | 0:19:45 | 0:19:50 | |
said was that property which you find, if you take it at appropriation, | 0:19:50 | 0:19:56 | |
if you do that with no dishonesty, in other words, you think, "This has been abandoned, it's dumped." | 0:19:56 | 0:20:02 | |
In law, you actually have a title to that property, as you found it. | 0:20:02 | 0:20:09 | |
Is that a posh way of saying "finders keepers"? | 0:20:09 | 0:20:12 | |
Yes, that's exactly what they say. | 0:20:12 | 0:20:14 | |
The only person who has a superior claim of title to that object is, if you like, the real owner. | 0:20:14 | 0:20:21 | |
-The person who... -This is important, then. Even if I'd thrown something away, | 0:20:21 | 0:20:25 | |
-knowingly thrown it away, I could change my mind and then have a claim on getting it back? -Yes. | 0:20:25 | 0:20:33 | |
So not entirely straightforward for Tony and Selina. | 0:20:34 | 0:20:38 | |
The painting's owners could come forward and claim it. | 0:20:38 | 0:20:41 | |
But we still don't know how the picture ended up in Ireland. | 0:20:41 | 0:20:44 | |
And with Philip investigating in the Bahamas, | 0:20:44 | 0:20:47 | |
Bendor has been digging deeper, too. | 0:20:47 | 0:20:49 | |
Homer was commissioned by Century Magazine in 1884 to go out to the Bahamas, | 0:20:49 | 0:20:54 | |
to illustrate an article which was designed to get wealthy Americans to go to the islands in the winter. | 0:20:54 | 0:21:00 | |
These are some of the illustrations that he used, but what I really want to find out is whether there's proof | 0:21:00 | 0:21:06 | |
of any link between Homer's trip to the Bahamas and the Blakes' time as governor of the Bahamas. | 0:21:06 | 0:21:13 | |
And I think the evidence is quite encouraging so far. | 0:21:13 | 0:21:16 | |
First of all, we've got Mrs Blake herself, who was a talented amateur painter, | 0:21:16 | 0:21:20 | |
so she probably would have taken some interest in this famous American coming to the islands. | 0:21:20 | 0:21:25 | |
And then we've got Governor Blake. | 0:21:25 | 0:21:28 | |
He was quite an enlightened colonial governor, | 0:21:28 | 0:21:30 | |
and he wanted to get new people to his island, and more importantly, new money to his island. | 0:21:30 | 0:21:36 | |
So he probably also would have taken an interest in Winslow Homer's work | 0:21:36 | 0:21:39 | |
in trying to get all these rich Americans to the Bahamas. | 0:21:39 | 0:21:42 | |
I just really hope that Philip can find some direct evidence that the Blakes met Homer when he was there. | 0:21:42 | 0:21:48 | |
The local newspaper could be the place to find evidence that Homer met the Blakes. | 0:22:00 | 0:22:04 | |
From Homer's letters, we know he landed in Nassau in December of 1884 and spent most of the winter here. | 0:22:04 | 0:22:11 | |
So at least I know which year to pinpoint. | 0:22:11 | 0:22:16 | |
It seems that the first newspaper that's published in December is the Nassau Guardian, | 0:22:16 | 0:22:23 | |
and even the front page is just full of government notices all starting, "His Excellency, the Governor". | 0:22:23 | 0:22:29 | |
Blake must have looked like a powerful man in his time. | 0:22:29 | 0:22:33 | |
What I'm looking for is some sort of social occasion | 0:22:33 | 0:22:36 | |
or some major ceremonial event in which the artist was involved, | 0:22:36 | 0:22:41 | |
because there's probably a fairly small pool | 0:22:41 | 0:22:43 | |
of international famous figures that come and go here. | 0:22:43 | 0:22:46 | |
You'd have thought there may have been some brushing up with the governor. | 0:22:46 | 0:22:50 | |
So this is now January the 3rd. Now, things are livening up in town. There's a party | 0:22:50 | 0:22:57 | |
for adults, and for children, given by the governor. | 0:22:57 | 0:23:01 | |
Not exactly listed prominently, but in a bunch of other attendees, look what I've just found. | 0:23:01 | 0:23:07 | |
"Mr Homer". So Mr Homer's at the big ball. | 0:23:07 | 0:23:11 | |
It also lists what everyone wore. | 0:23:11 | 0:23:13 | |
It seems that the theme of the ball was Arabian, so you can imagine all the sort of colour, | 0:23:13 | 0:23:18 | |
an excuse for really going over the top. | 0:23:18 | 0:23:20 | |
How extraordinary. They've identified what the children are wearing. | 0:23:20 | 0:23:24 | |
"Miss Blake, Princess Parizade." | 0:23:24 | 0:23:29 | |
Cripes! | 0:23:29 | 0:23:31 | |
"Master A Blake, Prince Bahman. | 0:23:33 | 0:23:36 | |
"M Blake, Prince Perviz." | 0:23:36 | 0:23:39 | |
Winslow Homer could have been doing a portrait | 0:23:44 | 0:23:47 | |
of the children dressed up for the ball. | 0:23:47 | 0:23:50 | |
This now explains it. | 0:23:52 | 0:23:54 | |
Winslow Homer was portraying the children of the governor and Lady Blake. | 0:23:54 | 0:23:58 | |
Isn't it astonishing how you have a hunch | 0:24:00 | 0:24:04 | |
and you roll up your sleeves and go deep into the times and the preoccupations | 0:24:04 | 0:24:11 | |
of the times, and in the trivia, the sort of celebrity trivia, | 0:24:11 | 0:24:14 | |
just like the sort of stuff we get in "Hello!" magazine-type stuff today, | 0:24:14 | 0:24:19 | |
there lies a reference which gives us the key into determining what this picture is about. | 0:24:19 | 0:24:27 | |
So Homer and the Blakes met each other. | 0:24:29 | 0:24:31 | |
To find such provenance for a picture like this is a great step forward. | 0:24:31 | 0:24:36 | |
My next stop is New York. | 0:24:41 | 0:24:43 | |
Sotheby's has met the deadline to complete their due diligence checks on the picture. | 0:24:43 | 0:24:48 | |
It's been given the go-ahead to make the sale in a week's time. | 0:24:48 | 0:24:52 | |
But the picture must still be authenticated for sale by American Winslow Homer experts. | 0:24:52 | 0:24:58 | |
They've just returned their verdict and I'm anxious to hear it. | 0:24:58 | 0:25:02 | |
Liz Beaman from Sotheby's has their report and our freshly-restored watercolour. | 0:25:02 | 0:25:09 | |
Liz, this looks amazing. The colours are so much fresher. | 0:25:09 | 0:25:11 | |
The whole thing looks crisper. It's almost as if it's got a complete new set of clothing. | 0:25:11 | 0:25:15 | |
Now, put me out of my misery. I committed myself on national television. | 0:25:15 | 0:25:19 | |
I valued this at £30,000. | 0:25:19 | 0:25:22 | |
I now need to find out what your authority has said. | 0:25:22 | 0:25:25 | |
Is it or is it not a work by Winslow Homer? | 0:25:25 | 0:25:28 | |
Well, it was a lengthy process. We sent it to Abigail Booth Gerdts, who's the director of a project | 0:25:28 | 0:25:35 | |
on Homer, trying to compile all known works that the artist has ever done. | 0:25:35 | 0:25:39 | |
And after a careful inspection, she is able to confirm its authenticity as a Homer. | 0:25:39 | 0:25:44 | |
Praise the Lord! | 0:25:44 | 0:25:46 | |
OK, so now what impact is that going to have on value? | 0:25:46 | 0:25:49 | |
I put 30 grand on it, as you know. Can we improve on that? | 0:25:49 | 0:25:52 | |
We think it's actually worth significantly more. | 0:25:52 | 0:25:55 | |
-We've placed a value of 150 to 250,000. -Wow! | 0:25:55 | 0:25:59 | |
-I mean, that's £100,000-plus for us? -Yes. | 0:25:59 | 0:26:03 | |
-Do you really think it'll make that? -I have to think that at that enticing estimate | 0:26:03 | 0:26:07 | |
and with this exciting story | 0:26:07 | 0:26:09 | |
of the discovery, it should do quite well. | 0:26:09 | 0:26:12 | |
That amazing news has reached back home. | 0:26:14 | 0:26:16 | |
In Coventry, Selina has received an important delivery. | 0:26:16 | 0:26:19 | |
Here I have my catalogue that Sotheby's New York | 0:26:19 | 0:26:24 | |
have sent over to me, with, hopefully, a print of the picture in there. | 0:26:24 | 0:26:30 | |
I am so excited. | 0:26:30 | 0:26:33 | |
This is it. I know it's all happening now. | 0:26:33 | 0:26:36 | |
Sotheby's contacted me to say that they'd had great news, that it was an original, | 0:26:36 | 0:26:40 | |
and then they actually told me that the value was wrong. | 0:26:40 | 0:26:47 | |
And so instantly, I thought, "Oh, you know, nowhere near as much, | 0:26:47 | 0:26:52 | |
"but I'm grateful of everything and anything." | 0:26:52 | 0:26:55 | |
And she said, "No, the actual value is 150 to 250." | 0:26:55 | 0:27:01 | |
And I said, "pounds"? | 0:27:01 | 0:27:03 | |
She says, "No, thousands." | 0:27:03 | 0:27:05 | |
And I didn't take it very well. | 0:27:05 | 0:27:09 | |
She rings me up at work and she told me what they had valued it at, sort of anywhere from 150,000. | 0:27:09 | 0:27:17 | |
I said, "You do realise that's a quarter of a million?" | 0:27:17 | 0:27:20 | |
And with that, off she went to be sick again! | 0:27:20 | 0:27:23 | |
Oh, my God! There it is. | 0:27:23 | 0:27:25 | |
"Winslow Homer, 1836-1910, Children Under A Palm." | 0:27:28 | 0:27:34 | |
SHE LAUGHS 150,000 to 250,000. | 0:27:34 | 0:27:39 | |
So, as you can see, I'm very... | 0:27:41 | 0:27:44 | |
Very chuffed. | 0:27:44 | 0:27:47 | |
I'm so pleased for her, and, erm, | 0:27:53 | 0:27:55 | |
just happy. I'm stuck for words, actually, so... | 0:27:55 | 0:27:59 | |
Oh. Oh, I see. | 0:28:06 | 0:28:09 | |
"150,000 to 250,000." | 0:28:10 | 0:28:15 | |
-All that for that. -I know. -I can't believe it until it's sold. | 0:28:15 | 0:28:20 | |
That's all I can say. | 0:28:20 | 0:28:22 | |
Then I you'll see me excited. | 0:28:22 | 0:28:25 | |
And probably bloody legless! | 0:28:25 | 0:28:28 | |
So, good health to Winslot Homer. | 0:28:28 | 0:28:31 | |
-"Winslow," Dad. -I... What's his name? I don't even know his name yet! | 0:28:34 | 0:28:38 | |
-Winslow! -W-W-Winslow? -Winslow. -My teeth... | 0:28:38 | 0:28:43 | |
Four days before the sale, and Selina is ready to fly to New York. | 0:28:46 | 0:28:51 | |
-Selina, what have you got in these bags? -I'll slide it. I don't know. | 0:28:51 | 0:28:54 | |
-I'm sure someone's put bricks in them. -How long are you going for? Two months(?) | 0:28:54 | 0:28:58 | |
-So this is it? -Yeah. -The big off. How are you feeling? | 0:28:58 | 0:29:03 | |
Very, very nervous. Very nervous. | 0:29:03 | 0:29:06 | |
Yeah. Very tearful. | 0:29:06 | 0:29:08 | |
Are you? Why are you tearful? | 0:29:08 | 0:29:11 | |
-I am just... I don't want to leave the kids. -Mum, can I have a hug? | 0:29:11 | 0:29:15 | |
-Yeah, we're ready. -Come on, then. -Well, we are, I don't know about you, Dad. | 0:29:18 | 0:29:21 | |
How many cases have you got?! 'Selina's dad, Tony, and her partner, Bob | 0:29:21 | 0:29:25 | |
'are travelling to the sale with her. It's their first visit to America.' | 0:29:25 | 0:29:29 | |
See ya! | 0:29:29 | 0:29:31 | |
-Bye! Goodbye! -Good luck! | 0:29:31 | 0:29:34 | |
It just means so much to Selina and to her family. | 0:29:34 | 0:29:38 | |
I desperately hope that it all works out for her as she wants it to, | 0:29:40 | 0:29:43 | |
and that the painting sells, that it makes money for her and her gorgeous, gorgeous kids. | 0:29:43 | 0:29:48 | |
# New York | 0:29:48 | 0:29:52 | |
# Concrete jungle where dreams are made up | 0:29:52 | 0:29:56 | |
# There's nothing you can't do | 0:29:56 | 0:29:59 | |
# Now you're in New York... # | 0:29:59 | 0:30:01 | |
Oh, wow, look at that big cluster of buildings. | 0:30:01 | 0:30:04 | |
What is that? | 0:30:04 | 0:30:06 | |
# ..There's nothing you can't do | 0:30:06 | 0:30:09 | |
# Now you're in New York | 0:30:09 | 0:30:13 | |
# These streets will make you feel brand new | 0:30:14 | 0:30:18 | |
# Big lights will inspire you | 0:30:18 | 0:30:20 | |
# Let's hear it for New York | 0:30:20 | 0:30:23 | |
# New York, New York... # | 0:30:23 | 0:30:26 | |
I can't believe that we are over here from a painting. | 0:30:26 | 0:30:30 | |
It was just a piece of junk, | 0:30:30 | 0:30:33 | |
a piece of trash, as they call it here! | 0:30:33 | 0:30:36 | |
Just a bit of rubbish, you know, that somebody had discarded and... | 0:30:36 | 0:30:40 | |
Gosh, and the journey it's now brought us on - exciting one, | 0:30:40 | 0:30:45 | |
thrilling one. | 0:30:45 | 0:30:46 | |
# Big lights will inspire you | 0:30:47 | 0:30:50 | |
# Let's hear it for New York | 0:30:50 | 0:30:53 | |
# New York, New York... # | 0:30:53 | 0:30:56 | |
Coming to America gives Selina the chance to learn more about Winslow Homer. | 0:30:57 | 0:31:02 | |
Two days before the sale, she's travelled to see one of the best collections of the artist | 0:31:02 | 0:31:07 | |
on the east coast and to meet Mark Simpson, the collection's curator. | 0:31:07 | 0:31:11 | |
I love the ones of the sea, because they're the ones... | 0:31:11 | 0:31:14 | |
-He's done a lot of them, hasn't he? -He has. -A lot of sea paintings. | 0:31:14 | 0:31:18 | |
-The picture that you have, I mean, it's 1885, is that right? -Yes. | 0:31:18 | 0:31:23 | |
It is in '84, '85 and '86 that he makes the biggest statements about the human figure, so it's great that | 0:31:23 | 0:31:31 | |
your watercolour concentrates on those three little kids and gives them so much space in the picture. | 0:31:31 | 0:31:36 | |
The only other times when that really happens in his oil paintings | 0:31:36 | 0:31:40 | |
is in the '80s in a painting like this, called Undertow, | 0:31:40 | 0:31:44 | |
which is one of those great dramatic scenes. | 0:31:44 | 0:31:47 | |
Now, to see this, though, we need to walk back, we need to see it from afar, | 0:31:47 | 0:31:51 | |
because Homer anticipated that his pictures would be seen from a distance. | 0:31:51 | 0:31:56 | |
-Gosh. That's a big painting! -THEY LAUGH | 0:31:56 | 0:31:59 | |
It is bigger... It is big, it is, and it is, in fact, | 0:31:59 | 0:32:03 | |
the one of the biggest that he did, that's his kind of grand scale. | 0:32:03 | 0:32:06 | |
-That's an original of his, that is an original. -Yes. | 0:32:06 | 0:32:09 | |
What are you thinking about when you see it for the first time? | 0:32:09 | 0:32:12 | |
I'm just actually amazed. | 0:32:12 | 0:32:14 | |
Just the detail, everything. | 0:32:14 | 0:32:17 | |
Don't you get the feeling of the sea and the water and the cold? | 0:32:17 | 0:32:21 | |
What's the story? What do you think's going on? | 0:32:21 | 0:32:24 | |
It's just... I don't know really, it's bit of a mix there, really. | 0:32:24 | 0:32:28 | |
You know, you've got one going off that way, one helping the other, | 0:32:28 | 0:32:32 | |
and I just... I don't know, I just don't understand art, | 0:32:32 | 0:32:36 | |
-if you understand me! -HE LAUGHS | 0:32:36 | 0:32:38 | |
But I'll bet you do, because what you said just then is absolutely right. | 0:32:38 | 0:32:43 | |
It is about helping one another. Something else is going on, | 0:32:43 | 0:32:48 | |
something maybe about the idea of how it is that... | 0:32:48 | 0:32:51 | |
we can all empathise with | 0:32:51 | 0:32:54 | |
the struggles that take place in the world, | 0:32:54 | 0:32:58 | |
we're all part of it, we all work against forces that weigh us down, | 0:32:58 | 0:33:02 | |
or push against us in ways we don't want to go. | 0:33:02 | 0:33:05 | |
You could put... Certain ones you could put yourself in that picture. | 0:33:05 | 0:33:09 | |
-Yeah. -Yeah, yes... And like you said about her struggling. | 0:33:09 | 0:33:14 | |
A lot of emotional struggles I've had, | 0:33:15 | 0:33:18 | |
so I suppose that would probably be one, you know, | 0:33:18 | 0:33:22 | |
I say I could put myself in. | 0:33:22 | 0:33:24 | |
And you start to express the feelings, don't you? | 0:33:24 | 0:33:28 | |
Feel what they're feeling and actually look into it, | 0:33:28 | 0:33:31 | |
wonder what's going on, rather than just looking at it and walking past. | 0:33:31 | 0:33:35 | |
It's a very powerful painting, isn't it? | 0:33:43 | 0:33:45 | |
Back in London, I'm trying to dig up more information about how the | 0:33:54 | 0:33:58 | |
picture could have ended up by a tip in a remote corner of Ireland. | 0:33:58 | 0:34:01 | |
I've been doing some digging for the lives of Sir Henry and Lady Blake, and I'm beginning to get a picture | 0:34:04 | 0:34:09 | |
of how these two paintings came to Ireland. | 0:34:09 | 0:34:12 | |
Now, the Blakes had a pretty amazing life - they travelled the world. | 0:34:12 | 0:34:16 | |
After Sir Henry finished as Governor of the Bahamas, he and Lady Blake, | 0:34:16 | 0:34:19 | |
they went on to similar postings in Jamaica, then they went to Hong Kong until he retired. | 0:34:19 | 0:34:25 | |
And then in the early days of the 20th century, they returned to the place of their birth, | 0:34:25 | 0:34:29 | |
to Ireland and to a house called Myrtle Grove, which is a pretty | 0:34:29 | 0:34:33 | |
important house in Irish history, because Sir Walter Raleigh lived there, as it turns out. | 0:34:33 | 0:34:37 | |
Now, the thing is Myrtle Grove | 0:34:37 | 0:34:40 | |
in Youghal | 0:34:40 | 0:34:42 | |
is just three miles from the dump where Tony found the pictures, | 0:34:42 | 0:34:46 | |
so the question is... how did they get there? | 0:34:46 | 0:34:49 | |
In New York, 24 hours before the sale, a major problem emerges. | 0:34:52 | 0:34:57 | |
Philip, on business in another part of America, gets a call from Selina, desperate for advice. | 0:34:57 | 0:35:03 | |
Hi, Selina, how are you? | 0:35:03 | 0:35:05 | |
-Hi, Philip. I've been better. -SHE LAUGHS | 0:35:05 | 0:35:08 | |
-A lot better. -Oh, dear, what's the problem? | 0:35:08 | 0:35:11 | |
I was out in New York today and had a phone call from Sotheby's, | 0:35:11 | 0:35:16 | |
asking me to come in any time and just have a discussion | 0:35:16 | 0:35:21 | |
in regards to a phone conversation they've had with the Blakes. | 0:35:21 | 0:35:24 | |
-So I said, "No, I'll come straight in." -Sorry, say that again. -Had a... | 0:35:24 | 0:35:28 | |
-They've had a conversation with the Blakes? -The Blakes, yeah. | 0:35:28 | 0:35:32 | |
-Some descendants of the Blakes. -Yeah. -Right. | 0:35:32 | 0:35:34 | |
So, basically been told that they've put a claim onto the painting. | 0:35:34 | 0:35:39 | |
I've got three options, really - either withdraw it from sale and Sotheby's keep ownership of it | 0:35:40 | 0:35:45 | |
till I get a lawyer and prove that it's mine, | 0:35:45 | 0:35:49 | |
sell the painting and give them a percentage, | 0:35:49 | 0:35:53 | |
which they've come back with they want 75% of the sale price. | 0:35:53 | 0:35:56 | |
-Right. -Or sell the painting | 0:35:56 | 0:35:59 | |
and the money stays ownership of Sotheby's in their bank | 0:35:59 | 0:36:04 | |
until ownership of the painting | 0:36:04 | 0:36:06 | |
has been proven again, so... | 0:36:06 | 0:36:09 | |
So have you considered those three options? | 0:36:09 | 0:36:14 | |
I have considered them, | 0:36:14 | 0:36:16 | |
but it's like out here I've got... | 0:36:16 | 0:36:18 | |
It's the afternoon here, England's all shut up, it's late now, | 0:36:19 | 0:36:23 | |
I've got no legal advice, nothing, so I really don't know what to do, what to do for the best. | 0:36:23 | 0:36:29 | |
It's come as a mass, mass blow, this has, this was not what I expected. | 0:36:29 | 0:36:34 | |
'No, I feel for you, and I can understand how that must put you in | 0:36:35 | 0:36:40 | |
'a real quandary at this late date, this late time of day.' | 0:36:40 | 0:36:44 | |
Now, whatever I have to say must be predicated with the fact | 0:36:44 | 0:36:48 | |
that this is your decision and I can't influence it at all, but what would concern me, and | 0:36:48 | 0:36:53 | |
I'm now just speaking purely from a professional point of view, what would concern me is a picture that | 0:36:53 | 0:36:58 | |
people are razzed up to consider and possibly commit funds to which | 0:36:58 | 0:37:02 | |
is then withdrawn can sometimes damage the picture's commercial prospects in the short term. | 0:37:02 | 0:37:08 | |
It might be rather difficult to re-present it with the same energy | 0:37:08 | 0:37:13 | |
in a sale in four or five months' time. | 0:37:13 | 0:37:15 | |
I can't believe this, I really can't believe it! | 0:37:21 | 0:37:24 | |
Dad's going to be wondering what the hell's happened. | 0:37:24 | 0:37:27 | |
It turns out that Sotheby's legal checks had already established a link with the Blake family. | 0:37:31 | 0:37:37 | |
'Back home, their European general counsel, Tom Christopherson, explains.' So who did you talk to? | 0:37:39 | 0:37:45 | |
We spoke to Iona Murray, who lives at Myrtle Grove, | 0:37:45 | 0:37:49 | |
which is the Blake house, | 0:37:49 | 0:37:52 | |
and she is the granddaughter of Lady Blake. | 0:37:52 | 0:37:55 | |
And what did she tell you? | 0:37:56 | 0:37:58 | |
We explained to her that we'd received a very valuable Homer | 0:37:58 | 0:38:02 | |
which had been found 20 years ago on a disused tip nearby. | 0:38:02 | 0:38:06 | |
We said we wanted to know whether she had any records or recollection of this painting or having owned it, | 0:38:06 | 0:38:11 | |
or whether in fact she'd had any burglaries as well that could explain its appearance. | 0:38:11 | 0:38:17 | |
She called us back few weeks later to confirm that she'd | 0:38:17 | 0:38:20 | |
discussed this with members of the family and that they had no record of owning the painting | 0:38:20 | 0:38:25 | |
and hadn't registered any burglaries at Myrtle Grove with the police. | 0:38:25 | 0:38:29 | |
When you were doing your due diligence, did you show a photo | 0:38:29 | 0:38:33 | |
of the painting to the Blake family? | 0:38:33 | 0:38:36 | |
No, we didn't. When we went to see them at the beginning, | 0:38:36 | 0:38:39 | |
we described that we'd found a valuable painting by Homer, in fact had a long conversation about Homer, | 0:38:39 | 0:38:45 | |
and Iona Murray told us about a family story that they thought | 0:38:45 | 0:38:49 | |
Homer had once painted with Lady Blake, so she knew exactly who he was. | 0:38:49 | 0:38:53 | |
-Why didn't you show them a photo? It would have been easily done. -I'm not sure we had one then. | 0:38:53 | 0:38:57 | |
We did show her one later. | 0:38:57 | 0:38:59 | |
We didn't at that point, we just described the painting and asked her to see if they owned any. | 0:38:59 | 0:39:04 | |
Bit of a mistake in hindsight, do you think? | 0:39:04 | 0:39:06 | |
I don't think so. If they'd asked for it, we'd have sent it. | 0:39:06 | 0:39:09 | |
And we sent them a sale catalogue several weeks before the sale, and it was in there. | 0:39:09 | 0:39:14 | |
-And did they respond to that? -No. | 0:39:14 | 0:39:17 | |
Well, what this whole episode has shown me is that no matter how much due diligence you do, | 0:39:23 | 0:39:28 | |
at the last minute, someone somewhere can come out of nowhere | 0:39:28 | 0:39:33 | |
and say, "This painting is mine," and there's nothing you can do to prevent that happening. | 0:39:33 | 0:39:38 | |
Late night in New York, | 0:39:42 | 0:39:45 | |
and the Blake descendants contesting ownership | 0:39:45 | 0:39:47 | |
have told Sotheby's they think the picture should be sold and have suggested that Selina | 0:39:47 | 0:39:52 | |
should be entitled to a quarter share of the proceeds. | 0:39:52 | 0:39:56 | |
We've now heard she's rejected the offer and is asking for them to provide proof of ownership. | 0:39:56 | 0:40:02 | |
Both parties have, however, agreed to let the sale go ahead and sort out the proceeds later. | 0:40:02 | 0:40:08 | |
Selina wants to see the picture one last time. | 0:40:08 | 0:40:12 | |
There it is. | 0:40:16 | 0:40:18 | |
I just cannot believe | 0:40:18 | 0:40:21 | |
that it's the same one. | 0:40:21 | 0:40:23 | |
Oh, God. | 0:40:23 | 0:40:24 | |
I don't think I want to get rid of it now, it looks really nice. | 0:40:26 | 0:40:30 | |
God, you... Of course, | 0:40:34 | 0:40:36 | |
-you have... -SHE LAUGHS | 0:40:36 | 0:40:38 | |
God, that is absolutely wonderful. | 0:40:39 | 0:40:41 | |
Even though I've moaned about it, to be honest, if I would be honest, | 0:40:43 | 0:40:47 | |
I won't let Dad hear me say this, though, | 0:40:47 | 0:40:50 | |
but I am actually... honoured to have had, | 0:40:50 | 0:40:54 | |
for the nine years that I've had it, | 0:40:54 | 0:40:58 | |
to be actually to say I've had a piece of art by him. | 0:40:58 | 0:41:02 | |
Tony and Selina have decided to join me in the auction room to watch the painting being sold. | 0:41:19 | 0:41:25 | |
I have 120,000, bidding here now at 120,000. | 0:41:25 | 0:41:29 | |
I have 130,000. 140,000. 150,000. | 0:41:29 | 0:41:33 | |
160,000. | 0:41:33 | 0:41:35 | |
At 160,000, still on my left now at 160... | 0:41:35 | 0:41:39 | |
The room is filling up with eager art buyers. | 0:41:39 | 0:41:41 | |
Our picture is lot 16, so we won't have long to wait. | 0:41:41 | 0:41:44 | |
Just seeing if Philip's bidding on anything. | 0:41:48 | 0:41:51 | |
Down in the centre now, lady's bid. At 115,000, then, in the centre. | 0:41:51 | 0:41:55 | |
Then in a dramatic development, ten minutes before the painting | 0:41:56 | 0:42:00 | |
is due to sell, Selina is summoned by Sotheby's staff. | 0:42:00 | 0:42:04 | |
I've just been called into a side room and basically been informed | 0:42:04 | 0:42:08 | |
that I either take 25% sale price | 0:42:08 | 0:42:12 | |
or...the opposition, whatever you want to call them, | 0:42:12 | 0:42:16 | |
are stopping me selling the painting. | 0:42:16 | 0:42:19 | |
And I have asked, being as the painting as in my name, | 0:42:19 | 0:42:23 | |
it's legally mine to sell, as far as I was concerned, and they've | 0:42:23 | 0:42:27 | |
said it's not, they've took legal advice and can stop the sale. | 0:42:27 | 0:42:31 | |
We must try and find the legal department | 0:42:31 | 0:42:33 | |
and find out what's going on, because you're not being given enough information on this. | 0:42:33 | 0:42:37 | |
I mean, if there is an injunction or a legal process has taken place, | 0:42:37 | 0:42:40 | |
I think you at least need to know about it, you know. | 0:42:40 | 0:42:44 | |
-Let's go and find somebody, shall we? -Come on, then, let's go. | 0:42:44 | 0:42:47 | |
I don't know where the hell anybody is. | 0:42:47 | 0:42:49 | |
But it seems that this is not a negotiation at this point, this is an ultimatum. | 0:42:58 | 0:43:02 | |
Why are they doing this now? | 0:43:08 | 0:43:11 | |
How have they got the legal right to do this to me now? | 0:43:11 | 0:43:14 | |
What have they got? | 0:43:14 | 0:43:15 | |
Did you not know any of this yesterday? | 0:43:15 | 0:43:18 | |
I mean, that they'd got the legal right to stop the auction. | 0:43:18 | 0:43:22 | |
I thought the three options I was given yesterday were my options. | 0:43:27 | 0:43:30 | |
I didn't know they'd changed. | 0:43:30 | 0:43:33 | |
Do they have any legal basis for that. Is there an injunction? | 0:43:34 | 0:43:37 | |
So why are you responding as you are, then? | 0:43:39 | 0:43:42 | |
Even though it could damage the commercial prospect for the picture by withdrawing it at this stage? | 0:44:05 | 0:44:10 | |
No. No, OK. | 0:44:14 | 0:44:16 | |
Can we withdraw it? | 0:44:20 | 0:44:21 | |
No, withdraw it, then. That's it, no other option, have we? | 0:44:21 | 0:44:24 | |
-The decision is yours. -Well, no. No. | 0:44:24 | 0:44:27 | |
Yeah, just let them know that they've damaged the painting. | 0:44:33 | 0:44:36 | |
But I think Selina's message is clear. | 0:44:38 | 0:44:40 | |
OK, thank you. I understand your position. | 0:44:52 | 0:44:54 | |
Selina must now break the news to Tony. | 0:44:58 | 0:45:01 | |
Are you all right, Dad? | 0:45:02 | 0:45:04 | |
Right. | 0:45:04 | 0:45:06 | |
Did you hear? | 0:45:07 | 0:45:09 | |
Did you hear? | 0:45:09 | 0:45:11 | |
Did you hear? Lots 16 and something else has been withdrawn. | 0:45:11 | 0:45:15 | |
No? Lot 16. | 0:45:19 | 0:45:20 | |
Yeah, what about it? | 0:45:20 | 0:45:22 | |
-That one. It's been withdrawn. -Has it been withdrawn? | 0:45:24 | 0:45:27 | |
-Yeah. -Why? | 0:45:27 | 0:45:29 | |
Because...the others... | 0:45:29 | 0:45:32 | |
have stopped it without any legal documents, stopped the sale. | 0:45:32 | 0:45:37 | |
They wanted to give me 25% of the sale and they have 75, | 0:45:37 | 0:45:42 | |
and I weren't willing to do it. | 0:45:42 | 0:45:45 | |
So the grand finale's gone, then? | 0:45:45 | 0:45:47 | |
That's it. | 0:45:47 | 0:45:49 | |
It's real meltdown. I've known some dramatic moments at auction, but not quite like this. | 0:45:54 | 0:45:59 | |
Referring back to the catalogue, particular attention to article one.... | 0:45:59 | 0:46:02 | |
Can you believe it? I just got a tap on the shoulder. | 0:46:02 | 0:46:05 | |
It's from the descendant of the Blakes, he's over here in America, and he wants to claim his picture! | 0:46:05 | 0:46:09 | |
He also wants to talk to me. | 0:46:09 | 0:46:11 | |
Simon Murray is the brother of Iona Murray, | 0:46:15 | 0:46:18 | |
who was Sotheby's original contact at Myrtle Grove in Ireland. | 0:46:18 | 0:46:22 | |
He's agreed to speak to us on camera. | 0:46:22 | 0:46:25 | |
Am I right in thinking that you are | 0:46:25 | 0:46:28 | |
a descendant of the Blakes and you are the other party in all of this? | 0:46:28 | 0:46:32 | |
That's correct, yeah. Sir Henry Blake is my great-great-grandfather. | 0:46:32 | 0:46:37 | |
How did you get to hear about the picture coming up at auction? | 0:46:37 | 0:46:39 | |
Really, we were on holiday in New York, | 0:46:39 | 0:46:43 | |
and my mother rang up in a bit of a state on Tuesday morning and said, "I see in the Daily Telegraph today, | 0:46:43 | 0:46:48 | |
"and I only bought it because I wanted to get the news | 0:46:49 | 0:46:52 | |
"about the Chelsea Flower Show, I see that they're selling the picture in Sotheby's New York." | 0:46:52 | 0:46:59 | |
And she asked me to see what I could do. | 0:46:59 | 0:47:01 | |
But am I right in thinking though that Sotheby's contacted your mother | 0:47:01 | 0:47:06 | |
and asked her whether there'd been any thefts? | 0:47:06 | 0:47:09 | |
No, not directly. | 0:47:09 | 0:47:11 | |
What happened was the Irish contact for Sotheby's | 0:47:11 | 0:47:15 | |
made contact with my mother's house, Myrtle Grove, | 0:47:15 | 0:47:19 | |
and left some telephone numbers asking them to communicate, | 0:47:19 | 0:47:23 | |
and unfortunately, | 0:47:23 | 0:47:25 | |
there was something wrong with the numbers, they didn't work. | 0:47:25 | 0:47:29 | |
And my mother was in fact out of Ireland at the time, | 0:47:29 | 0:47:32 | |
so for one reason and another, those calls were never chased up by Sotheby's. | 0:47:32 | 0:47:38 | |
-They never sent her a photograph of the painting. -But didn't she have the catalogue, though? | 0:47:38 | 0:47:43 | |
No. They never sent the catalogue. | 0:47:43 | 0:47:45 | |
Was not a catalogue, then, in the receipt of some part of the family? | 0:47:45 | 0:47:48 | |
No, no, she's not had the catalogue. | 0:47:48 | 0:47:51 | |
She's wasn't told that it was in the sale, and the first thing she knew about it | 0:47:51 | 0:47:54 | |
was when it appeared in the Telegraph. | 0:47:54 | 0:47:56 | |
Are you confident, looking back on this, that enough due diligence was done? | 0:47:56 | 0:48:00 | |
I'm confident about the due diligence. That was done here, | 0:48:00 | 0:48:03 | |
and we established a link at the beginning or a potential link, | 0:48:03 | 0:48:07 | |
and we followed the link up. | 0:48:07 | 0:48:09 | |
We checked with the local police, the local press, | 0:48:09 | 0:48:12 | |
we checked with Art Loss Register, and then we checked with the family. | 0:48:12 | 0:48:15 | |
Because you've got Simon Murray, who is claiming that | 0:48:15 | 0:48:18 | |
if he'd known about it or that if his mother had known about it, they would never have | 0:48:18 | 0:48:23 | |
let the sale go ahead, and the first they knew about was they saw an article in a newspaper. | 0:48:23 | 0:48:27 | |
-I'm quite surprised about that. -That's what he's claiming. -I'm still surprised. | 0:48:27 | 0:48:32 | |
We spoke to his sister, who confirmed she'd spoken to his mother. | 0:48:32 | 0:48:35 | |
I'm mindful of the fact that you have also, in order to allow | 0:48:37 | 0:48:40 | |
this sale to proceed, offered the family a proportion of the proceeds. | 0:48:40 | 0:48:45 | |
Why have you done that if it's your property? | 0:48:45 | 0:48:49 | |
Well, I view it really as... | 0:48:49 | 0:48:52 | |
Miss Rendall must have had an emotional roller-coaster, I can see that, and I sympathise | 0:48:52 | 0:48:57 | |
with her greatly, it must have been horrifying for her, | 0:48:57 | 0:49:01 | |
and I wanted to avoid years of litigation. | 0:49:01 | 0:49:04 | |
And also it was, if you like, a kind of finder's fee. | 0:49:04 | 0:49:08 | |
-What is it that you do for a living, as a matter of interest? -I'm a... I'm a... | 0:49:08 | 0:49:14 | |
I was formerly a criminal barrister... | 0:49:14 | 0:49:17 | |
..and now I do civil...civil law. | 0:49:18 | 0:49:21 | |
So you're pretty well equipped to handle this yourself, then? | 0:49:21 | 0:49:24 | |
I really hope it doesn't get down to that. | 0:49:24 | 0:49:27 | |
As I say, I empathise sincerely with | 0:49:27 | 0:49:30 | |
Miss Rendall's position. | 0:49:30 | 0:49:32 | |
It must be horrible, she thought she'd won the jackpot. | 0:49:32 | 0:49:35 | |
They picked up some rubbish off a tip, they discovered it was worth £100,000, and she's probably already | 0:49:35 | 0:49:41 | |
in her mind spending it on swimming pools and cars and so forth, | 0:49:41 | 0:49:45 | |
but the reality is this is a family picture. | 0:49:45 | 0:49:49 | |
If this is a family portrait, why don't you want the portrait? | 0:49:49 | 0:49:52 | |
You know, why don't you want the memory of the three ancestors, rather than the money? | 0:49:52 | 0:49:58 | |
Myrtle Grove, like all these old houses, | 0:49:58 | 0:50:00 | |
needs a lot of money to maintain it, | 0:50:00 | 0:50:04 | |
and unfortunately, it seems that this is a valuable picture. | 0:50:04 | 0:50:08 | |
We haven't got any other valuable pictures. | 0:50:08 | 0:50:10 | |
We've got a lot of pictures of members of the family, | 0:50:10 | 0:50:13 | |
but none of this quality. | 0:50:13 | 0:50:15 | |
And so it seems unfortunately that the best way to raise funds to repair the house would be to sell it. | 0:50:15 | 0:50:20 | |
This is our painting that was stolen from us. | 0:50:20 | 0:50:23 | |
Well, you don't know that for sure, though, do you? I mean, there's... | 0:50:23 | 0:50:27 | |
The circumstantial evidence, Philip, is overwhelming. | 0:50:27 | 0:50:31 | |
I mean, it really is. | 0:50:31 | 0:50:32 | |
-It couldn't have been given away? -It seems... | 0:50:32 | 0:50:35 | |
That is... | 0:50:35 | 0:50:37 | |
very highly unlikely. | 0:50:37 | 0:50:39 | |
How customary is it that something like this can happen at the last minute like this? | 0:50:39 | 0:50:45 | |
It's the first time I've seen it in nearly 15 years in the business. | 0:50:45 | 0:50:49 | |
-Really? -This last minute? Yes, yes. | 0:50:49 | 0:50:53 | |
It's rare. | 0:50:53 | 0:50:54 | |
Three weeks later, and the painting is locked in the vaults of Sotheby's New York. | 0:50:56 | 0:51:00 | |
I decided to see how Selina was doing back home. | 0:51:00 | 0:51:03 | |
At the moment, we're just waiting for him to come forward with some evidence. | 0:51:05 | 0:51:10 | |
-What? Evidence that... -They had the painting. | 0:51:10 | 0:51:14 | |
That the painting WAS in the possession of the Blake family. | 0:51:14 | 0:51:16 | |
Yeah, or in their home, because they're saying it was stolen 20 years ago. | 0:51:16 | 0:51:20 | |
But they never knew they had it, they never reported a break-in. | 0:51:20 | 0:51:25 | |
That's what I'm saying, I can't get my head round it, I really can't. | 0:51:25 | 0:51:28 | |
I just don't know how somebody can say, "That's ours, although we never knew we had it." | 0:51:28 | 0:51:34 | |
-What did you say to the kids when you came home? I did think about that. -Oh, actually, not a lot. | 0:51:34 | 0:51:40 | |
The kids met at the airport, which was lovely, erm... | 0:51:40 | 0:51:42 | |
I was just really upset. | 0:51:42 | 0:51:44 | |
All I wish is that they'd have come forward when they were first contacted. | 0:51:44 | 0:51:49 | |
It would have saved a lot of heartache, a lot of grief, an awful lot of money. | 0:51:49 | 0:51:53 | |
This painting has cost me so much money that I never ever had in the first place. | 0:51:53 | 0:51:57 | |
It's now three years since the painting was taken to the Roadshow, | 0:52:01 | 0:52:05 | |
and since the auction it's been locked in a safe. | 0:52:05 | 0:52:07 | |
Incredibly, there's still no resolution. | 0:52:07 | 0:52:11 | |
Selina and the Murrays are at loggerheads, and lawyers are involved on both sides. | 0:52:11 | 0:52:16 | |
Can you believe it is a year since that auction? | 0:52:24 | 0:52:27 | |
-And we're no further forward. -I have to say, you know, | 0:52:27 | 0:52:31 | |
for all the hopes she had for this picture have not materialised. | 0:52:31 | 0:52:35 | |
The Murray family have been in touch with the Art Loss Register. | 0:52:35 | 0:52:38 | |
Selina has had a visit from the police, warning her she may have handled stolen goods. | 0:52:38 | 0:52:43 | |
It's got really messy. | 0:52:43 | 0:52:45 | |
I really feel for Selina, my heart bleeds for her, | 0:52:45 | 0:52:49 | |
but we've got to try and see it from the other point of view. | 0:52:49 | 0:52:51 | |
Simon Murray is claiming that this is their family portrait. | 0:52:51 | 0:52:55 | |
I mean, we're in real stalemate. | 0:52:55 | 0:52:57 | |
In the meantime, Simon Murray says he's found | 0:52:59 | 0:53:01 | |
definitive evidence regarding the provenance of the painting and its connection with his family. | 0:53:01 | 0:53:07 | |
Well, let's start off, then. Who are these people? | 0:53:07 | 0:53:10 | |
Well, in the middle you've got Olive, she's my great-grandmother, | 0:53:10 | 0:53:13 | |
and her two little brothers, Arthur on the left and Morris on the right. | 0:53:13 | 0:53:17 | |
Edith Blake, Olive's mother, was a very keen correspondent | 0:53:17 | 0:53:21 | |
with her sister, writing long letters, and they were | 0:53:21 | 0:53:25 | |
full of gossip and chat, and they're a wonderful record. | 0:53:25 | 0:53:28 | |
Entertaining at Government House was clearly one of the key parts of colonial social life. | 0:53:28 | 0:53:33 | |
She writes as follows, "The children's fancy ball last night was such a pretty sight. | 0:53:33 | 0:53:37 | |
"If only you could have seen it, our children looked very well. | 0:53:37 | 0:53:41 | |
"Olive, as Princess Parizade, wore a bodice and upper skirt | 0:53:41 | 0:53:46 | |
"of gold colour with Nassau pearls and beads and fringed with sequins. | 0:53:46 | 0:53:52 | |
"It was the same dress that I had worn years ago, of course cut down to fit Olive." | 0:53:52 | 0:53:57 | |
-Oh, how wonderful. -How incredible is that! | 0:53:57 | 0:54:00 | |
"With gold stars and crescents, an underskirt of crimson | 0:54:00 | 0:54:03 | |
-"with oriental embroidery." -Here it is. -There it is. | 0:54:03 | 0:54:07 | |
"On her head she had a veil of crimson gauze." | 0:54:07 | 0:54:11 | |
"I hope to have a sketch of the three children in their fancy dresses done | 0:54:11 | 0:54:15 | |
"by Mr Homer, an American artist who is spending the winter here. | 0:54:15 | 0:54:20 | |
"He lunched here one day and brought some of his very clever sketches for me to see. | 0:54:20 | 0:54:23 | |
"It was a great treat seeing anything in the shape of a drawing once more." | 0:54:23 | 0:54:27 | |
And then, on the 21st of January, she writes another letter to her sister. | 0:54:27 | 0:54:33 | |
"This morning, Mr Homer finished his sketch of the three children in their fancy dresses. | 0:54:33 | 0:54:37 | |
"It is, I think, exceedingly clever. | 0:54:37 | 0:54:40 | |
"It is merely a sketch, not any attempt at finish, but the colour is very good, | 0:54:40 | 0:54:43 | |
"and it makes an interesting little souvenir of the ball." | 0:54:43 | 0:54:47 | |
That is as good a documentation of a work of art's existence and happening you could ever get. | 0:54:47 | 0:54:54 | |
And she writes of the room in Government House where the ball was held, and she writes as follows, | 0:54:54 | 0:55:01 | |
"At one end of the room stood a huge earthenware jar that we picked up in the backyard of a cottage here." | 0:55:01 | 0:55:07 | |
And that jar then appeared in the painting... | 0:55:07 | 0:55:11 | |
and that jar is still in the possession of the family. | 0:55:11 | 0:55:16 | |
-So that's at Myrtle Grove? -Yeah. -Isn't that staggering? | 0:55:16 | 0:55:20 | |
-Wow. -The more you know about something and its history - | 0:55:20 | 0:55:23 | |
and this is just absolutely bristling now with history - the more fascinating it becomes. | 0:55:23 | 0:55:28 | |
When you first found out about the picture, you were thinking you'd sell it. | 0:55:28 | 0:55:31 | |
-Now that you've found out so much about it, do you still feel like that? -I think we'd rather keep it, | 0:55:31 | 0:55:38 | |
because it is such a special picture, | 0:55:38 | 0:55:40 | |
and as my great-great-grandmother said, the colours are wonderful, the composition is very pleasing, | 0:55:40 | 0:55:47 | |
and it's a very significant part, I think, of my family's history, | 0:55:47 | 0:55:50 | |
and we'd love to... Well, we really want it back. | 0:55:50 | 0:55:53 | |
I like it. I actually enjoy looking at it. | 0:55:57 | 0:55:59 | |
I learnt to appreciate it, I suppose. | 0:56:00 | 0:56:03 | |
It's coming up to two years since we last visited Selina at home, | 0:56:03 | 0:56:07 | |
where she's hung a copy of the painting on her wall. | 0:56:07 | 0:56:10 | |
12 months ago, you know, I would have willingly sat and sorted this out with him, but obviously I never | 0:56:10 | 0:56:16 | |
had the opportunity to, because by the time I'd got home he'd got other people involved. | 0:56:16 | 0:56:20 | |
So if he was to contact me and asked to sort it out, I would | 0:56:20 | 0:56:24 | |
just ask him to go through my lawyer at the moment. | 0:56:24 | 0:56:26 | |
I just don't know how long this is going to go on. | 0:56:29 | 0:56:32 | |
I'm just answering questions that they're throwing at us | 0:56:32 | 0:56:36 | |
as honestly as we can with...with... | 0:56:36 | 0:56:39 | |
That's it, erm... | 0:56:39 | 0:56:41 | |
I don't know whether they're intending on striking a deal, | 0:56:41 | 0:56:45 | |
I have no idea. At the moment, it's just going round and round and round. | 0:56:45 | 0:56:49 | |
This small painting has had a huge emotional impact | 0:56:52 | 0:56:56 | |
and pulled everyone involved with it in different and unpredictable directions. | 0:56:56 | 0:57:01 | |
It's really not that unusual for a painting, particularly an old | 0:57:02 | 0:57:06 | |
painting like this, to get mired in this type of controversy. | 0:57:06 | 0:57:10 | |
Having met Simon Murray now, I have a much greater understanding | 0:57:10 | 0:57:13 | |
of why this painting means to much to him, to his family, | 0:57:13 | 0:57:16 | |
but one of the questions we set out to answer at the beginning was how did that picture get to the dump? | 0:57:16 | 0:57:22 | |
And we still don't know. And what about the value of the painting? | 0:57:22 | 0:57:26 | |
I mean, how is that affected now? | 0:57:26 | 0:57:27 | |
Ironically, the value's probably gone up, because now have provenance | 0:57:27 | 0:57:31 | |
as to when it was painted, why it was painted, for whom, who it represents. | 0:57:31 | 0:57:36 | |
I mean, provenance, a story like that, is so rare in our world. | 0:57:36 | 0:57:41 | |
And also just think! This started out life as a piece of paper found on a rubbish dump. | 0:57:41 | 0:57:46 | |
We've managed to transform it into a massively documented and significant work of art. | 0:57:46 | 0:57:51 | |
The money isn't the big issue here, it's the morals, and the way | 0:57:54 | 0:57:59 | |
we've been dealt with is the bit I think upsets me more. | 0:57:59 | 0:58:03 | |
If Dad hadn't picked it up, the painting would've been ruined, | 0:58:03 | 0:58:06 | |
you know, and then that piece of history would have been lost. | 0:58:06 | 0:58:11 | |
You can only be honest. | 0:58:11 | 0:58:12 | |
Whether our honesty loses us the painting, so be it. | 0:58:12 | 0:58:16 | |
I've had a great journey. It was never ever intended, | 0:58:16 | 0:58:19 | |
never expected, and it's been a really wonderful experience. | 0:58:19 | 0:58:23 | |
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