Homer Fake or Fortune?


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-..500,000, 19 million...

-The art world -

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glamour, wealth, intrigue.

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95? Selling at 95 million.

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Beneath the surface there's a darker place - a world of high stakes and gambles.

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International art dealer Philip Mould knows the risks.

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He hunts down sleepers - paintings that hide secrets.

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-In the past, we looked

-at

-pictures, now, almost, you can look through them.

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Paint almost acts like blood at a crime scene.

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I'm Fiona Bruce, with over 20 years' experience as a journalist.

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Every picture tells its own story, and it's up to us to try and uncover it.

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We're teaming up to investigate human dramas and mysterious tales locked in paint.

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This story began with a magical discovery at an Antiques Roadshow.

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You've got a picture worth up to £30,000.

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Bingo!

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A rubbish-tip find took Tony and his daughter, Selina, halfway around the world.

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Bidding here now at 120,000. I have 130,000.

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But no-one could have predicted how it would end.

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-That's the first time I've seen it in nearly 15 years.

-Really?

-In the business. This last-minute, yes. Yes.

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And I'm selling at 300,000.

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Sold.

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Right, here we are.

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We're at Cobh - or COVE, I think it's pronounced.

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-Are you good at sort of shouting out as we go along?

-I'm very good at shouting.

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-Whether I'm good at map reading and shouting, I don't know.

-So you can be like a talking sat nav.

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"When the ferry docks, turn left."

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That's what I reckon.

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You've got one of those sort of

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"you must obey" but also seductive voices.

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In fact, you'd actually make a rather good sat nav.

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Philip and I found ourselves in an unusual spot for an art investigation.

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We were brought to this quiet corner on the southwest coast of Ireland

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by a chance encounter at an Antiques Roadshow.

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So you went on a fishing trip but you came back with more than just fish, you came back with these.

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Yeah, it's my local spot I fish

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cos it's only half a mile walking distance to where I fish,

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and so I just gathered them up and took them home.

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Most interesting. Have you actually reflected on what's written in the bottom right-hand corner?

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"Winslow Homer." Winslow Homer is about the most important water colourist

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-at work in America in the 19th century.

-Yeah?

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He's one of the great artists who define American art heritage.

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You netted something else that day. You've got a picture worth up to £30,000.

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THEY LAUGH AND GASP

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Bingo! You don't have to cry, my love. It's yours.

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It took a couple of days for it to sink in, quite what had happened.

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The name Winslow Homer is hugely important.

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I mean, he's not known to all people in this country, but in America he's got almost mythical status.

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The combination of a great name like that and a painting that had been found on a rubbish dump

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was the stuff of fairy-tales.

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-HE SIGHS

-I can't wait to get to this place.

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I've got this bleary image

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of rubbish dumps and treasures and all this sort of business.

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Also, once we see it, we'll get a clearer idea of how on earth it could have got there

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and who might have put it there.

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Tony Varney was the lucky fisherman who found that bundle of pictures

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20 years ago, next to a rubbish tip in Youghal, County Cork.

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He was living there at the time.

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We're hoping that by coming back here we can establish

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how they got to the dump and just who the children in this painting might be.

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It all started just here.

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-What? Just here?

-Just here.

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-Just this patch of dirt? That's where you found it?

-Yes.

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I pulled up the vehicle here and there were the pictures, simple as that.

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Take us back 20 years ago - what was here then?

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Just a dirt bank up here,

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where you could pull in a vehicle, and a hole in the fence where you could go fishing.

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And there was a tip here then, wasn't there?

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There was a tip here then which has now, as you can see, it's been turned into a recycling centre.

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The thing that intrigues me is who owns this picture?

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If you pick something up on a tip, there's the issue...

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-OUTSIDE the tip.

-Outside the tip. That's an important differentiation.

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The legality of whoever brought it here, should they have owned it, had they half-inched it,

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then is it finders keepers? If you find it, does it automatically belong to you?

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-I don't know. We need to find out.

-I don't know.

-Looking around me here, looking back to Youghal,

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looking out to those mountains, I feel there must be someone out there,

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-within the vicinity, who had a connection with these pictures.

-So a local person?

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-It stands to reason, doesn't it? Otherwise why dump it here?

-I think it's absolutely fascinating,

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and I feel that if we can crack that, we can crack a lot of what these pictures are all about.

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I get the impression with Tony, cos he's so laid back,

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-that if he hadn't gone by car that day...

-Quite!

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-If those paintings had been there and he'd been on foot, he would have just left them.

-I know.

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-It's amazing!

-He's obviously a passionate hoarder-type collector, isn't he?

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He's one of those people that will pick up anything, and he's picked up a Winslow Homer.

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-As long as it is a Winslow Homer.

-That's a good point!

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-If it's not a Winslow Homer, of course, everything goes flat.

-Yeah.

-But I'm convinced it is.

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I hope that Philip's right, because when I met Tony and his daughter, Selina, at the Roadshow,

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I got the feeling there's a lot riding on this for them.

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We haven't had time to think,

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and all I can say is that we can't believe our luck.

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We don't like the picture. It will be restored and sold,

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-and the daughter and my grandchildren will benefit from it.

-Very nice, too.

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Tony had given the painting to his daughter before the Roadshow.

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If my valuation is right, she could now benefit to the tune of £30,000 when this picture sells.

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With Tony and Selina keen to sell the picture, we need to get to work,

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because there are many unanswered questions.

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We're regrouping at our base in the heart of London's art world,

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where Philip's head of research, Dr Bendor Grosvenor, has been preparing the ground.

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The thing is, I don't want to sound like a total pleb here,

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but I'm just not that impressed by this Winslow Homer painting.

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I mean, it just doesn't look that great to me, to be honest.

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You really have to get your head around how big a name Winslow Homer is.

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I mean, in the 19th century, in America, frankly, this man has got no equals.

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Have a look at some of these.

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This was once the most expensive American painting ever sold.

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It now belongs to Bill Gates, and he bought it for a reported 30 million.

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-30 million?!

-It's entitled Lost On The Grand Banks.

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There's almost a sort of cinematic feeling that the artist is there,

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hanging over the event with a camera.

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This is entitled Life Line, and it's exactly that - someone being saved out to sea.

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I mean, I agree. Those are dramatic, they're gripping, I mean, they're wonderful.

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But the little watercolour that Selina and Tony got, it doesn't look anything like these.

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That's the key thing about Selina's picture - the fact that it's a watercolour,

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because Winslow Homer is the pre-eminent American watercolourist,

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-and the auction record for one of his watercolours is nearly 5 million.

-Five million?!

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And so what we're doing is showing you the type of stuff

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that by association will make those three children highly desirable.

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The power of that association is about to be tested.

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Selina and Tony have taken the picture to Sotheby's in London,

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who bounced it to their art team in New York,

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where the leading American experts in Winslow Homer are keen to verify it before putting it up for sale.

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The picture has jet-setted a long way from the dusty loft in Selina's home in the West Midlands.

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Well, this is basically where the painting's spent half of its life in my loft.

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As you can see, it's full of bits and bobs,

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lots of it being my father's, as you see here -

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some more of his bits he's brought over. Old things that he's had over the years.

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Magazines that he just hasn't thrown.

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He keeps them. And these are like 1960s.

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Some are even older than that. And here's some cards.

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It's just full of bits. This is a painting he gave me.

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I haven't thrown it. I just put it in the loft, as I treated the other one.

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What lay in Selina's loft all those years was the work of one of America's most influential artists,

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but my research shows that Winslow Homer was deeply influenced by a period

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surprisingly spent in Britain, in 1881.

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His love of marine pictures drew him to Cullercoats

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on the northeast coast, just a few miles from Newcastle.

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I want to show Fiona where Homer honed his skills.

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Was there some kind of artistic community here, or did he just happen upon Cullercoats?

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By the time he arrived, there were a few artists here.

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It's possible he had a conversation on the ship over and someone recommended it.

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There's another reason, though - he loved fishing. Fishing populates his pictures.

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It's quite possible he just came here because of his enthusiasm.

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One critic said that after Cullercoats things completely changed, and they did.

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His artistic style completely changed?

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Before he came to England, in the early part of his career, in the 1860s,

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he was an illustrator of the Civil War, so he always thought like someone who needs to tell a story.

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What is it about his paintings and his techniques?

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It's the sketchiness, the freedom, the fluency of them.

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He would just stand out here on the beach, on the breakwater, and just dash the painting off?

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You can't sit down and put up an easel when there's a storm out at sea.

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I think what he did was he used sketches. He would have done quick sketches,

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but he also used photography, and there are photographs by Winslow Homer.

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And I think it was a combination of those things and a great memory.

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Artists, great artists, often have that really powerful, visual memory.

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I mean, the word "impressionist" is overused,

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but I think you can use that word about Winslow Homer.

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He was, perhaps, the first American impressionist.

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I mean, one of the techniques he used to great effect was to profile his figures.

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And in order to heighten the drama, he loved to silhouette his figures against

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a big sky or a high sea,

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so the sea acts almost like a sort of wall, but a wall for different characters.

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This is an example of his love of real, live drama.

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Do you recognise where that is?

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-That's that building just back there, isn't it?

-Yeah.

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It was the lifeboat lookout house, wasn't it?

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Yeah. Just look at the quality of the colouring in that.

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It's almost like he's a journalistic photographer on the scene.

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Yes, it's like it's a snapshot - a moment in time.

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I mean, they're very different from the picture that turned up that day at the Antiques Roadshow.

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How was it so obvious to you? I know it was signed, but it could have been a fake.

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How could you tell that it had the stamp of authenticity, that it really was a Winslow Homer?

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Well, have a look at this one. That again is very close to here.

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Two or three things. One, there's a crispness and a confidence, and the use of the washes.

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And if you look at the colours,

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there's a sort of taste for exoticism which we see in that watercolour.

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This one, I can begin to see,

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has echoes of the painting we saw at the Antiques Roadshow, and the way the faces are done, actually.

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The shadow - look, there - on the eye and the eye socket.

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You're absolutely right. There's a similar look to our kids.

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There were five other pictures found by Tony on the tip.

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Perhaps they're the clues we need to unpick the mystery of how they got there.

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My head of research, Bendor, has called us back to base

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to bring us up to date with some important information about the other pictures.

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The most interesting one was this watercolour on the bottom left here.

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It's actually a scene of a beach in the Bahamas.

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And there's an inscription at the bottom which identifies

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that it was painted by someone described as "Her Excellency, Mrs Blake".

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Now, Mrs Blake was the wife of the governor of the Bahama Islands,

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so that's presumably why she's painting a beach in the Bahamas.

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Amongst the other stuff found on the tip was this invitation here, to an exhibition in Jamaica.

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And this, it turns out, is a likeness of the Blakes themselves.

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-I don't believe it.

-So that's Lady Blake there?

-That's Lady Blake.

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-How can you be sure?

-We found other pictures of them and other likenesses, and it all matches up.

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-And that's her?

-And this here is the governor himself.

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-The governor!

-I can't believe it! We've been looking at them all the time.

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-So that was with the painting?

-Yeah.

-And there they are.

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We've got a connection here.

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The really intriguing thing is the fact that the Blakes were in the Bahamas in the mid-1880s.

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We also know that Winslow Homer was in the Bahamas in the mid-1880s.

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So, it's possible, given that the Homer was found amongst

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this Blake stuff, that there's a connection here that we need to check out.

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So, they could have been there at the same time?

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-They could have.

-They could have met?

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They could possibly have met. Or it's possible that the picture was painted in the Bahamas,

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-and that's why there's this beach scene together with it.

-How are we going to take it further?

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I've taken this as far as I can go here in the libraries and on the internet.

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If we're going to prove this connection between Winslow Homer and the Blakes,

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one of us needs to go and have a rummage around in the archives in the Bahamas.

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Well, that's straightforward. I'm off to New York this week and I'll go via the Bahamas.

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Hang on a minute! You're going to the Bahamas, and I get to go to Coventry?

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What's wrong with that?

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As well as working as a part-time carer, single mum Selina has four kids.

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I can't believe you've got four kids!

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You must a been a child-bride! So, talk me through the kids, then.

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How old are they?

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Eleanor's 17.

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Anthony's 15.

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Ricky's 12,

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and Rose is ten.

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They are lovely kids.

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They've stuck by me. They are very, very good, loyal, loving children.

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They are what I get up each day for. They are good.

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So, how do you feel at the moment?

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Are you kind of excited, a bit anxious?

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I'm excited, but I'm also nervous

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cos at the moment, the painting's at Sotheby's,

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waiting to find out if it is an original, because they could ring

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or write any time now and say, "It's just a copy." So, that's it...

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If it does go for what Philip thinks it might, 30 grand or so, that's a lot of money.

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-What difference would it make to you to have that kind of money?

-Gosh, loads.

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I've never had anything like that. £30, let alone 30 grand!

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I just know that the four children will have a secure little nest-egg

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for them, between the four of them.

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It'll give them a good start, so, yeah.

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I'm following in Winslow Homer's footsteps to Nassau in the Bahamas.

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I want to know why he painted our picture and who the subjects are.

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From Homer's letters, we know he landed here in December 1884

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and that he stayed at the Royal Victoria Hotel.

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I'm hoping they have a record of his visit.

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This is looking a bit strange.

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There's no obvious hotel here.

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And over there, there looks...

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like a slightly grand-looking building.

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And then there's something over there in that corner, but...

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..this is the place where the hotel should be.

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The Royal Victoria Hotel was the only hotel on the island when Homer came here to paint.

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It was a glamorous retreat for the social elite.

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The only thing that remains is the silk cotton tree, a feature of the hotel for almost a century.

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Bendor's research says it was from this perch a calypso band played for guests like Homer.

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That's disappointing. These great gateposts that promised a story

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and sort of delivered nothing, really.

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But it's not all bad, because I know that there is the National Records Office in town, open tomorrow,

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and with any luck, it'll throw up something.

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Back in London, I'm eager to get some legal advice, because what worries me

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is whether Tony and Selina really own the picture.

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What exactly does the saying "finders keepers" mean?

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And what checks need to be done?

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Dick Ellis set up the Art and Antiques Squad at Scotland Yard in 1989.

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He now works as an investigator, recovering stolen works of art.

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Sotheby's say they are doing what's called "due diligence". What does that involve?

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It's looking through the background, the provenance of an object.

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Is the person who's offering it for sale a genuine owner?

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Everything that the major auction houses sell is checked against

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the stolen art databases to ensure that these things aren't recorded somewhere as stolen.

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So, due diligence now is a very, very important part of buying and selling works of art.

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The thing that struck me is that Tony found this painting with a few other paintings just outside a dump.

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-Does that mean it's his? It doesn't belong to the council?

-No, it doesn't entirely.

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As this was in Ireland, you have to look at the Irish law, but it's very similar to the English law.

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And what the common law, going way back,

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said was that property which you find, if you take it at appropriation,

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if you do that with no dishonesty, in other words, you think, "This has been abandoned, it's dumped."

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In law, you actually have a title to that property, as you found it.

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Is that a posh way of saying "finders keepers"?

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Yes, that's exactly what they say.

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The only person who has a superior claim of title to that object is, if you like, the real owner.

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-The person who...

-This is important, then. Even if I'd thrown something away,

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-knowingly thrown it away, I could change my mind and then have a claim on getting it back?

-Yes.

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So not entirely straightforward for Tony and Selina.

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The painting's owners could come forward and claim it.

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But we still don't know how the picture ended up in Ireland.

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And with Philip investigating in the Bahamas,

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Bendor has been digging deeper, too.

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Homer was commissioned by Century Magazine in 1884 to go out to the Bahamas,

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to illustrate an article which was designed to get wealthy Americans to go to the islands in the winter.

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These are some of the illustrations that he used, but what I really want to find out is whether there's proof

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of any link between Homer's trip to the Bahamas and the Blakes' time as governor of the Bahamas.

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And I think the evidence is quite encouraging so far.

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First of all, we've got Mrs Blake herself, who was a talented amateur painter,

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so she probably would have taken some interest in this famous American coming to the islands.

0:21:200:21:25

And then we've got Governor Blake.

0:21:250:21:28

He was quite an enlightened colonial governor,

0:21:280:21:30

and he wanted to get new people to his island, and more importantly, new money to his island.

0:21:300:21:36

So he probably also would have taken an interest in Winslow Homer's work

0:21:360:21:39

in trying to get all these rich Americans to the Bahamas.

0:21:390:21:42

I just really hope that Philip can find some direct evidence that the Blakes met Homer when he was there.

0:21:420:21:48

The local newspaper could be the place to find evidence that Homer met the Blakes.

0:22:000:22:04

From Homer's letters, we know he landed in Nassau in December of 1884 and spent most of the winter here.

0:22:040:22:11

So at least I know which year to pinpoint.

0:22:110:22:16

It seems that the first newspaper that's published in December is the Nassau Guardian,

0:22:160:22:23

and even the front page is just full of government notices all starting, "His Excellency, the Governor".

0:22:230:22:29

Blake must have looked like a powerful man in his time.

0:22:290:22:33

What I'm looking for is some sort of social occasion

0:22:330:22:36

or some major ceremonial event in which the artist was involved,

0:22:360:22:41

because there's probably a fairly small pool

0:22:410:22:43

of international famous figures that come and go here.

0:22:430:22:46

You'd have thought there may have been some brushing up with the governor.

0:22:460:22:50

So this is now January the 3rd. Now, things are livening up in town. There's a party

0:22:500:22:57

for adults, and for children, given by the governor.

0:22:570:23:01

Not exactly listed prominently, but in a bunch of other attendees, look what I've just found.

0:23:010:23:07

"Mr Homer". So Mr Homer's at the big ball.

0:23:070:23:11

It also lists what everyone wore.

0:23:110:23:13

It seems that the theme of the ball was Arabian, so you can imagine all the sort of colour,

0:23:130:23:18

an excuse for really going over the top.

0:23:180:23:20

How extraordinary. They've identified what the children are wearing.

0:23:200:23:24

"Miss Blake, Princess Parizade."

0:23:240:23:29

Cripes!

0:23:290:23:31

"Master A Blake, Prince Bahman.

0:23:330:23:36

"M Blake, Prince Perviz."

0:23:360:23:39

Winslow Homer could have been doing a portrait

0:23:440:23:47

of the children dressed up for the ball.

0:23:470:23:50

This now explains it.

0:23:520:23:54

Winslow Homer was portraying the children of the governor and Lady Blake.

0:23:540:23:58

Isn't it astonishing how you have a hunch

0:24:000:24:04

and you roll up your sleeves and go deep into the times and the preoccupations

0:24:040:24:11

of the times, and in the trivia, the sort of celebrity trivia,

0:24:110:24:14

just like the sort of stuff we get in "Hello!" magazine-type stuff today,

0:24:140:24:19

there lies a reference which gives us the key into determining what this picture is about.

0:24:190:24:27

So Homer and the Blakes met each other.

0:24:290:24:31

To find such provenance for a picture like this is a great step forward.

0:24:310:24:36

My next stop is New York.

0:24:410:24:43

Sotheby's has met the deadline to complete their due diligence checks on the picture.

0:24:430:24:48

It's been given the go-ahead to make the sale in a week's time.

0:24:480:24:52

But the picture must still be authenticated for sale by American Winslow Homer experts.

0:24:520:24:58

They've just returned their verdict and I'm anxious to hear it.

0:24:580:25:02

Liz Beaman from Sotheby's has their report and our freshly-restored watercolour.

0:25:020:25:09

Liz, this looks amazing. The colours are so much fresher.

0:25:090:25:11

The whole thing looks crisper. It's almost as if it's got a complete new set of clothing.

0:25:110:25:15

Now, put me out of my misery. I committed myself on national television.

0:25:150:25:19

I valued this at £30,000.

0:25:190:25:22

I now need to find out what your authority has said.

0:25:220:25:25

Is it or is it not a work by Winslow Homer?

0:25:250:25:28

Well, it was a lengthy process. We sent it to Abigail Booth Gerdts, who's the director of a project

0:25:280:25:35

on Homer, trying to compile all known works that the artist has ever done.

0:25:350:25:39

And after a careful inspection, she is able to confirm its authenticity as a Homer.

0:25:390:25:44

Praise the Lord!

0:25:440:25:46

OK, so now what impact is that going to have on value?

0:25:460:25:49

I put 30 grand on it, as you know. Can we improve on that?

0:25:490:25:52

We think it's actually worth significantly more.

0:25:520:25:55

-We've placed a value of 150 to 250,000.

-Wow!

0:25:550:25:59

-I mean, that's £100,000-plus for us?

-Yes.

0:25:590:26:03

-Do you really think it'll make that?

-I have to think that at that enticing estimate

0:26:030:26:07

and with this exciting story

0:26:070:26:09

of the discovery, it should do quite well.

0:26:090:26:12

That amazing news has reached back home.

0:26:140:26:16

In Coventry, Selina has received an important delivery.

0:26:160:26:19

Here I have my catalogue that Sotheby's New York

0:26:190:26:24

have sent over to me, with, hopefully, a print of the picture in there.

0:26:240:26:30

I am so excited.

0:26:300:26:33

This is it. I know it's all happening now.

0:26:330:26:36

Sotheby's contacted me to say that they'd had great news, that it was an original,

0:26:360:26:40

and then they actually told me that the value was wrong.

0:26:400:26:47

And so instantly, I thought, "Oh, you know, nowhere near as much,

0:26:470:26:52

"but I'm grateful of everything and anything."

0:26:520:26:55

And she said, "No, the actual value is 150 to 250."

0:26:550:27:01

And I said, "pounds"?

0:27:010:27:03

She says, "No, thousands."

0:27:030:27:05

And I didn't take it very well.

0:27:050:27:09

She rings me up at work and she told me what they had valued it at, sort of anywhere from 150,000.

0:27:090:27:17

I said, "You do realise that's a quarter of a million?"

0:27:170:27:20

And with that, off she went to be sick again!

0:27:200:27:23

Oh, my God! There it is.

0:27:230:27:25

"Winslow Homer, 1836-1910, Children Under A Palm."

0:27:280:27:34

SHE LAUGHS 150,000 to 250,000.

0:27:340:27:39

So, as you can see, I'm very...

0:27:410:27:44

Very chuffed.

0:27:440:27:47

I'm so pleased for her, and, erm,

0:27:530:27:55

just happy. I'm stuck for words, actually, so...

0:27:550:27:59

Oh. Oh, I see.

0:28:060:28:09

"150,000 to 250,000."

0:28:100:28:15

-All that for that.

-I know.

-I can't believe it until it's sold.

0:28:150:28:20

That's all I can say.

0:28:200:28:22

Then I you'll see me excited.

0:28:220:28:25

And probably bloody legless!

0:28:250:28:28

So, good health to Winslot Homer.

0:28:280:28:31

-"Winslow," Dad.

-I... What's his name? I don't even know his name yet!

0:28:340:28:38

-Winslow!

-W-W-Winslow?

-Winslow.

-My teeth...

0:28:380:28:43

Four days before the sale, and Selina is ready to fly to New York.

0:28:460:28:51

-Selina, what have you got in these bags?

-I'll slide it. I don't know.

0:28:510:28:54

-I'm sure someone's put bricks in them.

-How long are you going for? Two months(?)

0:28:540:28:58

-So this is it?

-Yeah.

-The big off. How are you feeling?

0:28:580:29:03

Very, very nervous. Very nervous.

0:29:030:29:06

Yeah. Very tearful.

0:29:060:29:08

Are you? Why are you tearful?

0:29:080:29:11

-I am just... I don't want to leave the kids.

-Mum, can I have a hug?

0:29:110:29:15

-Yeah, we're ready.

-Come on, then.

-Well, we are, I don't know about you, Dad.

0:29:180:29:21

How many cases have you got?! 'Selina's dad, Tony, and her partner, Bob

0:29:210:29:25

'are travelling to the sale with her. It's their first visit to America.'

0:29:250:29:29

See ya!

0:29:290:29:31

-Bye! Goodbye!

-Good luck!

0:29:310:29:34

It just means so much to Selina and to her family.

0:29:340:29:38

I desperately hope that it all works out for her as she wants it to,

0:29:400:29:43

and that the painting sells, that it makes money for her and her gorgeous, gorgeous kids.

0:29:430:29:48

# New York

0:29:480:29:52

# Concrete jungle where dreams are made up

0:29:520:29:56

# There's nothing you can't do

0:29:560:29:59

# Now you're in New York... #

0:29:590:30:01

Oh, wow, look at that big cluster of buildings.

0:30:010:30:04

What is that?

0:30:040:30:06

# ..There's nothing you can't do

0:30:060:30:09

# Now you're in New York

0:30:090:30:13

# These streets will make you feel brand new

0:30:140:30:18

# Big lights will inspire you

0:30:180:30:20

# Let's hear it for New York

0:30:200:30:23

# New York, New York... #

0:30:230:30:26

I can't believe that we are over here from a painting.

0:30:260:30:30

It was just a piece of junk,

0:30:300:30:33

a piece of trash, as they call it here!

0:30:330:30:36

Just a bit of rubbish, you know, that somebody had discarded and...

0:30:360:30:40

Gosh, and the journey it's now brought us on - exciting one,

0:30:400:30:45

thrilling one.

0:30:450:30:46

# Big lights will inspire you

0:30:470:30:50

# Let's hear it for New York

0:30:500:30:53

# New York, New York... #

0:30:530:30:56

Coming to America gives Selina the chance to learn more about Winslow Homer.

0:30:570:31:02

Two days before the sale, she's travelled to see one of the best collections of the artist

0:31:020:31:07

on the east coast and to meet Mark Simpson, the collection's curator.

0:31:070:31:11

I love the ones of the sea, because they're the ones...

0:31:110:31:14

-He's done a lot of them, hasn't he?

-He has.

-A lot of sea paintings.

0:31:140:31:18

-The picture that you have, I mean, it's 1885, is that right?

-Yes.

0:31:180:31:23

It is in '84, '85 and '86 that he makes the biggest statements about the human figure, so it's great that

0:31:230:31:31

your watercolour concentrates on those three little kids and gives them so much space in the picture.

0:31:310:31:36

The only other times when that really happens in his oil paintings

0:31:360:31:40

is in the '80s in a painting like this, called Undertow,

0:31:400:31:44

which is one of those great dramatic scenes.

0:31:440:31:47

Now, to see this, though, we need to walk back, we need to see it from afar,

0:31:470:31:51

because Homer anticipated that his pictures would be seen from a distance.

0:31:510:31:56

-Gosh. That's a big painting!

-THEY LAUGH

0:31:560:31:59

It is bigger... It is big, it is, and it is, in fact,

0:31:590:32:03

the one of the biggest that he did, that's his kind of grand scale.

0:32:030:32:06

-That's an original of his, that is an original.

-Yes.

0:32:060:32:09

What are you thinking about when you see it for the first time?

0:32:090:32:12

I'm just actually amazed.

0:32:120:32:14

Just the detail, everything.

0:32:140:32:17

Don't you get the feeling of the sea and the water and the cold?

0:32:170:32:21

What's the story? What do you think's going on?

0:32:210:32:24

It's just... I don't know really, it's bit of a mix there, really.

0:32:240:32:28

You know, you've got one going off that way, one helping the other,

0:32:280:32:32

and I just... I don't know, I just don't understand art,

0:32:320:32:36

-if you understand me!

-HE LAUGHS

0:32:360:32:38

But I'll bet you do, because what you said just then is absolutely right.

0:32:380:32:43

It is about helping one another. Something else is going on,

0:32:430:32:48

something maybe about the idea of how it is that...

0:32:480:32:51

we can all empathise with

0:32:510:32:54

the struggles that take place in the world,

0:32:540:32:58

we're all part of it, we all work against forces that weigh us down,

0:32:580:33:02

or push against us in ways we don't want to go.

0:33:020:33:05

You could put... Certain ones you could put yourself in that picture.

0:33:050:33:09

-Yeah.

-Yeah, yes... And like you said about her struggling.

0:33:090:33:14

A lot of emotional struggles I've had,

0:33:150:33:18

so I suppose that would probably be one, you know,

0:33:180:33:22

I say I could put myself in.

0:33:220:33:24

And you start to express the feelings, don't you?

0:33:240:33:28

Feel what they're feeling and actually look into it,

0:33:280:33:31

wonder what's going on, rather than just looking at it and walking past.

0:33:310:33:35

It's a very powerful painting, isn't it?

0:33:430:33:45

Back in London, I'm trying to dig up more information about how the

0:33:540:33:58

picture could have ended up by a tip in a remote corner of Ireland.

0:33:580:34:01

I've been doing some digging for the lives of Sir Henry and Lady Blake, and I'm beginning to get a picture

0:34:040:34:09

of how these two paintings came to Ireland.

0:34:090:34:12

Now, the Blakes had a pretty amazing life - they travelled the world.

0:34:120:34:16

After Sir Henry finished as Governor of the Bahamas, he and Lady Blake,

0:34:160:34:19

they went on to similar postings in Jamaica, then they went to Hong Kong until he retired.

0:34:190:34:25

And then in the early days of the 20th century, they returned to the place of their birth,

0:34:250:34:29

to Ireland and to a house called Myrtle Grove, which is a pretty

0:34:290:34:33

important house in Irish history, because Sir Walter Raleigh lived there, as it turns out.

0:34:330:34:37

Now, the thing is Myrtle Grove

0:34:370:34:40

in Youghal

0:34:400:34:42

is just three miles from the dump where Tony found the pictures,

0:34:420:34:46

so the question is... how did they get there?

0:34:460:34:49

In New York, 24 hours before the sale, a major problem emerges.

0:34:520:34:57

Philip, on business in another part of America, gets a call from Selina, desperate for advice.

0:34:570:35:03

Hi, Selina, how are you?

0:35:030:35:05

-Hi, Philip. I've been better.

-SHE LAUGHS

0:35:050:35:08

-A lot better.

-Oh, dear, what's the problem?

0:35:080:35:11

I was out in New York today and had a phone call from Sotheby's,

0:35:110:35:16

asking me to come in any time and just have a discussion

0:35:160:35:21

in regards to a phone conversation they've had with the Blakes.

0:35:210:35:24

-So I said, "No, I'll come straight in."

-Sorry, say that again.

-Had a...

0:35:240:35:28

-They've had a conversation with the Blakes?

-The Blakes, yeah.

0:35:280:35:32

-Some descendants of the Blakes.

-Yeah.

-Right.

0:35:320:35:34

So, basically been told that they've put a claim onto the painting.

0:35:340:35:39

I've got three options, really - either withdraw it from sale and Sotheby's keep ownership of it

0:35:400:35:45

till I get a lawyer and prove that it's mine,

0:35:450:35:49

sell the painting and give them a percentage,

0:35:490:35:53

which they've come back with they want 75% of the sale price.

0:35:530:35:56

-Right.

-Or sell the painting

0:35:560:35:59

and the money stays ownership of Sotheby's in their bank

0:35:590:36:04

until ownership of the painting

0:36:040:36:06

has been proven again, so...

0:36:060:36:09

So have you considered those three options?

0:36:090:36:14

I have considered them,

0:36:140:36:16

but it's like out here I've got...

0:36:160:36:18

It's the afternoon here, England's all shut up, it's late now,

0:36:190:36:23

I've got no legal advice, nothing, so I really don't know what to do, what to do for the best.

0:36:230:36:29

It's come as a mass, mass blow, this has, this was not what I expected.

0:36:290:36:34

'No, I feel for you, and I can understand how that must put you in

0:36:350:36:40

'a real quandary at this late date, this late time of day.'

0:36:400:36:44

Now, whatever I have to say must be predicated with the fact

0:36:440:36:48

that this is your decision and I can't influence it at all, but what would concern me, and

0:36:480:36:53

I'm now just speaking purely from a professional point of view, what would concern me is a picture that

0:36:530:36:58

people are razzed up to consider and possibly commit funds to which

0:36:580:37:02

is then withdrawn can sometimes damage the picture's commercial prospects in the short term.

0:37:020:37:08

It might be rather difficult to re-present it with the same energy

0:37:080:37:13

in a sale in four or five months' time.

0:37:130:37:15

I can't believe this, I really can't believe it!

0:37:210:37:24

Dad's going to be wondering what the hell's happened.

0:37:240:37:27

It turns out that Sotheby's legal checks had already established a link with the Blake family.

0:37:310:37:37

'Back home, their European general counsel, Tom Christopherson, explains.' So who did you talk to?

0:37:390:37:45

We spoke to Iona Murray, who lives at Myrtle Grove,

0:37:450:37:49

which is the Blake house,

0:37:490:37:52

and she is the granddaughter of Lady Blake.

0:37:520:37:55

And what did she tell you?

0:37:560:37:58

We explained to her that we'd received a very valuable Homer

0:37:580:38:02

which had been found 20 years ago on a disused tip nearby.

0:38:020:38:06

We said we wanted to know whether she had any records or recollection of this painting or having owned it,

0:38:060:38:11

or whether in fact she'd had any burglaries as well that could explain its appearance.

0:38:110:38:17

She called us back few weeks later to confirm that she'd

0:38:170:38:20

discussed this with members of the family and that they had no record of owning the painting

0:38:200:38:25

and hadn't registered any burglaries at Myrtle Grove with the police.

0:38:250:38:29

When you were doing your due diligence, did you show a photo

0:38:290:38:33

of the painting to the Blake family?

0:38:330:38:36

No, we didn't. When we went to see them at the beginning,

0:38:360:38:39

we described that we'd found a valuable painting by Homer, in fact had a long conversation about Homer,

0:38:390:38:45

and Iona Murray told us about a family story that they thought

0:38:450:38:49

Homer had once painted with Lady Blake, so she knew exactly who he was.

0:38:490:38:53

-Why didn't you show them a photo? It would have been easily done.

-I'm not sure we had one then.

0:38:530:38:57

We did show her one later.

0:38:570:38:59

We didn't at that point, we just described the painting and asked her to see if they owned any.

0:38:590:39:04

Bit of a mistake in hindsight, do you think?

0:39:040:39:06

I don't think so. If they'd asked for it, we'd have sent it.

0:39:060:39:09

And we sent them a sale catalogue several weeks before the sale, and it was in there.

0:39:090:39:14

-And did they respond to that?

-No.

0:39:140:39:17

Well, what this whole episode has shown me is that no matter how much due diligence you do,

0:39:230:39:28

at the last minute, someone somewhere can come out of nowhere

0:39:280:39:33

and say, "This painting is mine," and there's nothing you can do to prevent that happening.

0:39:330:39:38

Late night in New York,

0:39:420:39:45

and the Blake descendants contesting ownership

0:39:450:39:47

have told Sotheby's they think the picture should be sold and have suggested that Selina

0:39:470:39:52

should be entitled to a quarter share of the proceeds.

0:39:520:39:56

We've now heard she's rejected the offer and is asking for them to provide proof of ownership.

0:39:560:40:02

Both parties have, however, agreed to let the sale go ahead and sort out the proceeds later.

0:40:020:40:08

Selina wants to see the picture one last time.

0:40:080:40:12

There it is.

0:40:160:40:18

I just cannot believe

0:40:180:40:21

that it's the same one.

0:40:210:40:23

Oh, God.

0:40:230:40:24

I don't think I want to get rid of it now, it looks really nice.

0:40:260:40:30

God, you... Of course,

0:40:340:40:36

-you have...

-SHE LAUGHS

0:40:360:40:38

God, that is absolutely wonderful.

0:40:390:40:41

Even though I've moaned about it, to be honest, if I would be honest,

0:40:430:40:47

I won't let Dad hear me say this, though,

0:40:470:40:50

but I am actually... honoured to have had,

0:40:500:40:54

for the nine years that I've had it,

0:40:540:40:58

to be actually to say I've had a piece of art by him.

0:40:580:41:02

Tony and Selina have decided to join me in the auction room to watch the painting being sold.

0:41:190:41:25

I have 120,000, bidding here now at 120,000.

0:41:250:41:29

I have 130,000. 140,000. 150,000.

0:41:290:41:33

160,000.

0:41:330:41:35

At 160,000, still on my left now at 160...

0:41:350:41:39

The room is filling up with eager art buyers.

0:41:390:41:41

Our picture is lot 16, so we won't have long to wait.

0:41:410:41:44

Just seeing if Philip's bidding on anything.

0:41:480:41:51

Down in the centre now, lady's bid. At 115,000, then, in the centre.

0:41:510:41:55

Then in a dramatic development, ten minutes before the painting

0:41:560:42:00

is due to sell, Selina is summoned by Sotheby's staff.

0:42:000:42:04

I've just been called into a side room and basically been informed

0:42:040:42:08

that I either take 25% sale price

0:42:080:42:12

or...the opposition, whatever you want to call them,

0:42:120:42:16

are stopping me selling the painting.

0:42:160:42:19

And I have asked, being as the painting as in my name,

0:42:190:42:23

it's legally mine to sell, as far as I was concerned, and they've

0:42:230:42:27

said it's not, they've took legal advice and can stop the sale.

0:42:270:42:31

We must try and find the legal department

0:42:310:42:33

and find out what's going on, because you're not being given enough information on this.

0:42:330:42:37

I mean, if there is an injunction or a legal process has taken place,

0:42:370:42:40

I think you at least need to know about it, you know.

0:42:400:42:44

-Let's go and find somebody, shall we?

-Come on, then, let's go.

0:42:440:42:47

I don't know where the hell anybody is.

0:42:470:42:49

But it seems that this is not a negotiation at this point, this is an ultimatum.

0:42:580:43:02

Why are they doing this now?

0:43:080:43:11

How have they got the legal right to do this to me now?

0:43:110:43:14

What have they got?

0:43:140:43:15

Did you not know any of this yesterday?

0:43:150:43:18

I mean, that they'd got the legal right to stop the auction.

0:43:180:43:22

I thought the three options I was given yesterday were my options.

0:43:270:43:30

I didn't know they'd changed.

0:43:300:43:33

Do they have any legal basis for that. Is there an injunction?

0:43:340:43:37

So why are you responding as you are, then?

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Even though it could damage the commercial prospect for the picture by withdrawing it at this stage?

0:44:050:44:10

No. No, OK.

0:44:140:44:16

Can we withdraw it?

0:44:200:44:21

No, withdraw it, then. That's it, no other option, have we?

0:44:210:44:24

-The decision is yours.

-Well, no. No.

0:44:240:44:27

Yeah, just let them know that they've damaged the painting.

0:44:330:44:36

But I think Selina's message is clear.

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OK, thank you. I understand your position.

0:44:520:44:54

Selina must now break the news to Tony.

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Are you all right, Dad?

0:45:020:45:04

Right.

0:45:040:45:06

Did you hear?

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Did you hear?

0:45:090:45:11

Did you hear? Lots 16 and something else has been withdrawn.

0:45:110:45:15

No? Lot 16.

0:45:190:45:20

Yeah, what about it?

0:45:200:45:22

-That one. It's been withdrawn.

-Has it been withdrawn?

0:45:240:45:27

-Yeah.

-Why?

0:45:270:45:29

Because...the others...

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have stopped it without any legal documents, stopped the sale.

0:45:320:45:37

They wanted to give me 25% of the sale and they have 75,

0:45:370:45:42

and I weren't willing to do it.

0:45:420:45:45

So the grand finale's gone, then?

0:45:450:45:47

That's it.

0:45:470:45:49

It's real meltdown. I've known some dramatic moments at auction, but not quite like this.

0:45:540:45:59

Referring back to the catalogue, particular attention to article one....

0:45:590:46:02

Can you believe it? I just got a tap on the shoulder.

0:46:020:46:05

It's from the descendant of the Blakes, he's over here in America, and he wants to claim his picture!

0:46:050:46:09

He also wants to talk to me.

0:46:090:46:11

Simon Murray is the brother of Iona Murray,

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who was Sotheby's original contact at Myrtle Grove in Ireland.

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He's agreed to speak to us on camera.

0:46:220:46:25

Am I right in thinking that you are

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a descendant of the Blakes and you are the other party in all of this?

0:46:280:46:32

That's correct, yeah. Sir Henry Blake is my great-great-grandfather.

0:46:320:46:37

How did you get to hear about the picture coming up at auction?

0:46:370:46:39

Really, we were on holiday in New York,

0:46:390:46:43

and my mother rang up in a bit of a state on Tuesday morning and said, "I see in the Daily Telegraph today,

0:46:430:46:48

"and I only bought it because I wanted to get the news

0:46:490:46:52

"about the Chelsea Flower Show, I see that they're selling the picture in Sotheby's New York."

0:46:520:46:59

And she asked me to see what I could do.

0:46:590:47:01

But am I right in thinking though that Sotheby's contacted your mother

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and asked her whether there'd been any thefts?

0:47:060:47:09

No, not directly.

0:47:090:47:11

What happened was the Irish contact for Sotheby's

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made contact with my mother's house, Myrtle Grove,

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and left some telephone numbers asking them to communicate,

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and unfortunately,

0:47:230:47:25

there was something wrong with the numbers, they didn't work.

0:47:250:47:29

And my mother was in fact out of Ireland at the time,

0:47:290:47:32

so for one reason and another, those calls were never chased up by Sotheby's.

0:47:320:47:38

-They never sent her a photograph of the painting.

-But didn't she have the catalogue, though?

0:47:380:47:43

No. They never sent the catalogue.

0:47:430:47:45

Was not a catalogue, then, in the receipt of some part of the family?

0:47:450:47:48

No, no, she's not had the catalogue.

0:47:480:47:51

She's wasn't told that it was in the sale, and the first thing she knew about it

0:47:510:47:54

was when it appeared in the Telegraph.

0:47:540:47:56

Are you confident, looking back on this, that enough due diligence was done?

0:47:560:48:00

I'm confident about the due diligence. That was done here,

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and we established a link at the beginning or a potential link,

0:48:030:48:07

and we followed the link up.

0:48:070:48:09

We checked with the local police, the local press,

0:48:090:48:12

we checked with Art Loss Register, and then we checked with the family.

0:48:120:48:15

Because you've got Simon Murray, who is claiming that

0:48:150:48:18

if he'd known about it or that if his mother had known about it, they would never have

0:48:180:48:23

let the sale go ahead, and the first they knew about was they saw an article in a newspaper.

0:48:230:48:27

-I'm quite surprised about that.

-That's what he's claiming.

-I'm still surprised.

0:48:270:48:32

We spoke to his sister, who confirmed she'd spoken to his mother.

0:48:320:48:35

I'm mindful of the fact that you have also, in order to allow

0:48:370:48:40

this sale to proceed, offered the family a proportion of the proceeds.

0:48:400:48:45

Why have you done that if it's your property?

0:48:450:48:49

Well, I view it really as...

0:48:490:48:52

Miss Rendall must have had an emotional roller-coaster, I can see that, and I sympathise

0:48:520:48:57

with her greatly, it must have been horrifying for her,

0:48:570:49:01

and I wanted to avoid years of litigation.

0:49:010:49:04

And also it was, if you like, a kind of finder's fee.

0:49:040:49:08

-What is it that you do for a living, as a matter of interest?

-I'm a... I'm a...

0:49:080:49:14

I was formerly a criminal barrister...

0:49:140:49:17

..and now I do civil...civil law.

0:49:180:49:21

So you're pretty well equipped to handle this yourself, then?

0:49:210:49:24

I really hope it doesn't get down to that.

0:49:240:49:27

As I say, I empathise sincerely with

0:49:270:49:30

Miss Rendall's position.

0:49:300:49:32

It must be horrible, she thought she'd won the jackpot.

0:49:320:49:35

They picked up some rubbish off a tip, they discovered it was worth £100,000, and she's probably already

0:49:350:49:41

in her mind spending it on swimming pools and cars and so forth,

0:49:410:49:45

but the reality is this is a family picture.

0:49:450:49:49

If this is a family portrait, why don't you want the portrait?

0:49:490:49:52

You know, why don't you want the memory of the three ancestors, rather than the money?

0:49:520:49:58

Myrtle Grove, like all these old houses,

0:49:580:50:00

needs a lot of money to maintain it,

0:50:000:50:04

and unfortunately, it seems that this is a valuable picture.

0:50:040:50:08

We haven't got any other valuable pictures.

0:50:080:50:10

We've got a lot of pictures of members of the family,

0:50:100:50:13

but none of this quality.

0:50:130:50:15

And so it seems unfortunately that the best way to raise funds to repair the house would be to sell it.

0:50:150:50:20

This is our painting that was stolen from us.

0:50:200:50:23

Well, you don't know that for sure, though, do you? I mean, there's...

0:50:230:50:27

The circumstantial evidence, Philip, is overwhelming.

0:50:270:50:31

I mean, it really is.

0:50:310:50:32

-It couldn't have been given away?

-It seems...

0:50:320:50:35

That is...

0:50:350:50:37

very highly unlikely.

0:50:370:50:39

How customary is it that something like this can happen at the last minute like this?

0:50:390:50:45

It's the first time I've seen it in nearly 15 years in the business.

0:50:450:50:49

-Really?

-This last minute? Yes, yes.

0:50:490:50:53

It's rare.

0:50:530:50:54

Three weeks later, and the painting is locked in the vaults of Sotheby's New York.

0:50:560:51:00

I decided to see how Selina was doing back home.

0:51:000:51:03

At the moment, we're just waiting for him to come forward with some evidence.

0:51:050:51:10

-What? Evidence that...

-They had the painting.

0:51:100:51:14

That the painting WAS in the possession of the Blake family.

0:51:140:51:16

Yeah, or in their home, because they're saying it was stolen 20 years ago.

0:51:160:51:20

But they never knew they had it, they never reported a break-in.

0:51:200:51:25

That's what I'm saying, I can't get my head round it, I really can't.

0:51:250:51:28

I just don't know how somebody can say, "That's ours, although we never knew we had it."

0:51:280:51:34

-What did you say to the kids when you came home? I did think about that.

-Oh, actually, not a lot.

0:51:340:51:40

The kids met at the airport, which was lovely, erm...

0:51:400:51:42

I was just really upset.

0:51:420:51:44

All I wish is that they'd have come forward when they were first contacted.

0:51:440:51:49

It would have saved a lot of heartache, a lot of grief, an awful lot of money.

0:51:490:51:53

This painting has cost me so much money that I never ever had in the first place.

0:51:530:51:57

It's now three years since the painting was taken to the Roadshow,

0:52:010:52:05

and since the auction it's been locked in a safe.

0:52:050:52:07

Incredibly, there's still no resolution.

0:52:070:52:11

Selina and the Murrays are at loggerheads, and lawyers are involved on both sides.

0:52:110:52:16

Can you believe it is a year since that auction?

0:52:240:52:27

-And we're no further forward.

-I have to say, you know,

0:52:270:52:31

for all the hopes she had for this picture have not materialised.

0:52:310:52:35

The Murray family have been in touch with the Art Loss Register.

0:52:350:52:38

Selina has had a visit from the police, warning her she may have handled stolen goods.

0:52:380:52:43

It's got really messy.

0:52:430:52:45

I really feel for Selina, my heart bleeds for her,

0:52:450:52:49

but we've got to try and see it from the other point of view.

0:52:490:52:51

Simon Murray is claiming that this is their family portrait.

0:52:510:52:55

I mean, we're in real stalemate.

0:52:550:52:57

In the meantime, Simon Murray says he's found

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definitive evidence regarding the provenance of the painting and its connection with his family.

0:53:010:53:07

Well, let's start off, then. Who are these people?

0:53:070:53:10

Well, in the middle you've got Olive, she's my great-grandmother,

0:53:100:53:13

and her two little brothers, Arthur on the left and Morris on the right.

0:53:130:53:17

Edith Blake, Olive's mother, was a very keen correspondent

0:53:170:53:21

with her sister, writing long letters, and they were

0:53:210:53:25

full of gossip and chat, and they're a wonderful record.

0:53:250:53:28

Entertaining at Government House was clearly one of the key parts of colonial social life.

0:53:280:53:33

She writes as follows, "The children's fancy ball last night was such a pretty sight.

0:53:330:53:37

"If only you could have seen it, our children looked very well.

0:53:370:53:41

"Olive, as Princess Parizade, wore a bodice and upper skirt

0:53:410:53:46

"of gold colour with Nassau pearls and beads and fringed with sequins.

0:53:460:53:52

"It was the same dress that I had worn years ago, of course cut down to fit Olive."

0:53:520:53:57

-Oh, how wonderful.

-How incredible is that!

0:53:570:54:00

"With gold stars and crescents, an underskirt of crimson

0:54:000:54:03

-"with oriental embroidery."

-Here it is.

-There it is.

0:54:030:54:07

"On her head she had a veil of crimson gauze."

0:54:070:54:11

"I hope to have a sketch of the three children in their fancy dresses done

0:54:110:54:15

"by Mr Homer, an American artist who is spending the winter here.

0:54:150:54:20

"He lunched here one day and brought some of his very clever sketches for me to see.

0:54:200:54:23

"It was a great treat seeing anything in the shape of a drawing once more."

0:54:230:54:27

And then, on the 21st of January, she writes another letter to her sister.

0:54:270:54:33

"This morning, Mr Homer finished his sketch of the three children in their fancy dresses.

0:54:330:54:37

"It is, I think, exceedingly clever.

0:54:370:54:40

"It is merely a sketch, not any attempt at finish, but the colour is very good,

0:54:400:54:43

"and it makes an interesting little souvenir of the ball."

0:54:430:54:47

That is as good a documentation of a work of art's existence and happening you could ever get.

0:54:470:54:54

And she writes of the room in Government House where the ball was held, and she writes as follows,

0:54:540:55:01

"At one end of the room stood a huge earthenware jar that we picked up in the backyard of a cottage here."

0:55:010:55:07

And that jar then appeared in the painting...

0:55:070:55:11

and that jar is still in the possession of the family.

0:55:110:55:16

-So that's at Myrtle Grove?

-Yeah.

-Isn't that staggering?

0:55:160:55:20

-Wow.

-The more you know about something and its history -

0:55:200:55:23

and this is just absolutely bristling now with history - the more fascinating it becomes.

0:55:230:55:28

When you first found out about the picture, you were thinking you'd sell it.

0:55:280:55:31

-Now that you've found out so much about it, do you still feel like that?

-I think we'd rather keep it,

0:55:310:55:38

because it is such a special picture,

0:55:380:55:40

and as my great-great-grandmother said, the colours are wonderful, the composition is very pleasing,

0:55:400:55:47

and it's a very significant part, I think, of my family's history,

0:55:470:55:50

and we'd love to... Well, we really want it back.

0:55:500:55:53

I like it. I actually enjoy looking at it.

0:55:570:55:59

I learnt to appreciate it, I suppose.

0:56:000:56:03

It's coming up to two years since we last visited Selina at home,

0:56:030:56:07

where she's hung a copy of the painting on her wall.

0:56:070:56:10

12 months ago, you know, I would have willingly sat and sorted this out with him, but obviously I never

0:56:100:56:16

had the opportunity to, because by the time I'd got home he'd got other people involved.

0:56:160:56:20

So if he was to contact me and asked to sort it out, I would

0:56:200:56:24

just ask him to go through my lawyer at the moment.

0:56:240:56:26

I just don't know how long this is going to go on.

0:56:290:56:32

I'm just answering questions that they're throwing at us

0:56:320:56:36

as honestly as we can with...with...

0:56:360:56:39

That's it, erm...

0:56:390:56:41

I don't know whether they're intending on striking a deal,

0:56:410:56:45

I have no idea. At the moment, it's just going round and round and round.

0:56:450:56:49

This small painting has had a huge emotional impact

0:56:520:56:56

and pulled everyone involved with it in different and unpredictable directions.

0:56:560:57:01

It's really not that unusual for a painting, particularly an old

0:57:020:57:06

painting like this, to get mired in this type of controversy.

0:57:060:57:10

Having met Simon Murray now, I have a much greater understanding

0:57:100:57:13

of why this painting means to much to him, to his family,

0:57:130:57:16

but one of the questions we set out to answer at the beginning was how did that picture get to the dump?

0:57:160:57:22

And we still don't know. And what about the value of the painting?

0:57:220:57:26

I mean, how is that affected now?

0:57:260:57:27

Ironically, the value's probably gone up, because now have provenance

0:57:270:57:31

as to when it was painted, why it was painted, for whom, who it represents.

0:57:310:57:36

I mean, provenance, a story like that, is so rare in our world.

0:57:360:57:41

And also just think! This started out life as a piece of paper found on a rubbish dump.

0:57:410:57:46

We've managed to transform it into a massively documented and significant work of art.

0:57:460:57:51

The money isn't the big issue here, it's the morals, and the way

0:57:540:57:59

we've been dealt with is the bit I think upsets me more.

0:57:590:58:03

If Dad hadn't picked it up, the painting would've been ruined,

0:58:030:58:06

you know, and then that piece of history would have been lost.

0:58:060:58:11

You can only be honest.

0:58:110:58:12

Whether our honesty loses us the painting, so be it.

0:58:120:58:16

I've had a great journey. It was never ever intended,

0:58:160:58:19

never expected, and it's been a really wonderful experience.

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