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If, like me, you love New York, then how could you not love Woody Allen? | 0:00:10 | 0:00:15 | |
And if, like me, you happen to be Jewish, | 0:00:15 | 0:00:17 | |
you love movies AND you love New York, then you're in for a treat. | 0:00:17 | 0:00:21 | |
No-one quite represents a city like Woody represents New York. | 0:00:21 | 0:00:26 | |
It plays a leading role in most of his films, alongside Woody himself, | 0:00:26 | 0:00:30 | |
of course, with his dark-rimmed glasses and his trademark neuroses. | 0:00:30 | 0:00:34 | |
It took the filmmaker Robert Weide | 0:00:34 | 0:00:37 | |
over 20 years to persuade the director of Manhattan, | 0:00:37 | 0:00:40 | |
Hannah and Her Sisters and Annie Hall to open up about everything, | 0:00:40 | 0:00:44 | |
from growing up in Brooklyn, to his life as a stand-up comic, | 0:00:44 | 0:00:47 | |
to his obsessive-compulsive career as a filmmaker | 0:00:47 | 0:00:51 | |
who, still in his mid-70s, insists on making at least one film a year. | 0:00:51 | 0:00:56 | |
And you know what? It's well worth waiting for. | 0:00:56 | 0:00:59 | |
He's funny, frank and forthcoming. | 0:00:59 | 0:01:01 | |
And tonight, in the first of two films, | 0:01:01 | 0:01:04 | |
Imagine tells the compelling story | 0:01:04 | 0:01:06 | |
of how Brooklyn-born Allan Konigsberg transformed himself | 0:01:06 | 0:01:10 | |
from full-time nerd into movie legend. | 0:01:10 | 0:01:14 | |
BRASS BAND PLAYS | 0:01:14 | 0:01:17 | |
Writing is the great life. | 0:01:51 | 0:01:55 | |
Cos you wake up in the morning, | 0:01:55 | 0:01:56 | |
you write in your room. | 0:01:56 | 0:01:58 | |
You know, in the room, | 0:02:04 | 0:02:05 | |
everything is great, you know, | 0:02:05 | 0:02:07 | |
cos you don't have to deliver. | 0:02:07 | 0:02:08 | |
So you write it, and you imagine | 0:02:08 | 0:02:10 | |
it's Citizen Kane or, you know, | 0:02:10 | 0:02:13 | |
everything you write is great. | 0:02:13 | 0:02:15 | |
But when you have to then take it out and do it, | 0:02:19 | 0:02:23 | |
then reality sets in. | 0:02:23 | 0:02:27 | |
Then all your schemes about making a masterpiece | 0:02:27 | 0:02:33 | |
are reduced to | 0:02:33 | 0:02:37 | |
"I'll prostitute myself any way I have to, | 0:02:37 | 0:02:41 | |
"to survive this catastrophe". | 0:02:41 | 0:02:44 | |
MUSIC: "Sing, Sing, Sing" by Benny Goodman | 0:02:44 | 0:02:46 | |
I don't think there is anybody like Woody. | 0:02:51 | 0:02:53 | |
I've never met anybody like Woody. | 0:02:53 | 0:02:55 | |
You can't compare anybody to Woody Allen. | 0:02:55 | 0:02:58 | |
His range is amazing. | 0:02:58 | 0:03:00 | |
You have only to look at Bananas and Match Point. | 0:03:00 | 0:03:04 | |
If you'd asked me what directors I wanted to work with, | 0:03:04 | 0:03:07 | |
Woody Allen would've been at the top of my list. | 0:03:07 | 0:03:10 | |
He is, without question, | 0:03:10 | 0:03:13 | |
the best actor's director I've ever worked with. | 0:03:13 | 0:03:15 | |
Not everybody has the staying power, | 0:03:15 | 0:03:17 | |
not everybody has the tenacity, | 0:03:17 | 0:03:19 | |
and not everybody has so much to say. | 0:03:19 | 0:03:22 | |
The day that he finishes editing a film | 0:03:22 | 0:03:26 | |
is the day he starts typing the script of the next. | 0:03:26 | 0:03:28 | |
He never takes any time off. | 0:03:28 | 0:03:30 | |
Fourteen screenplay nominations. Fourteen. | 0:03:30 | 0:03:33 | |
Who the hell is good for 20 years? | 0:03:33 | 0:03:36 | |
This guy has been good for 40 years. | 0:03:36 | 0:03:38 | |
He's kind of peerless. | 0:03:38 | 0:03:39 | |
It's not just that we're still interested in Woody Allen. | 0:03:39 | 0:03:43 | |
He's still interested in telling stories. | 0:03:43 | 0:03:45 | |
On the one hand, he'd be brilliant, | 0:03:45 | 0:03:47 | |
and his insights were amazing, | 0:03:47 | 0:03:48 | |
but on the other hand, he'd be an idiot. | 0:03:48 | 0:03:50 | |
He's also not normal. | 0:03:50 | 0:03:53 | |
You know, he's not of the normal stock. | 0:03:53 | 0:03:55 | |
Neurosis, fears, phobias... | 0:03:55 | 0:03:57 | |
A bit adolescent, to tell you the truth. | 0:03:57 | 0:03:59 | |
He is a little bit of a hypochondriac. | 0:03:59 | 0:04:03 | |
He's cripplingly shy. | 0:04:03 | 0:04:04 | |
Oh, he's definitely a little nutty. | 0:04:04 | 0:04:06 | |
He really wears his heart on his sleeve. | 0:04:06 | 0:04:09 | |
He's a big hugger. | 0:04:09 | 0:04:10 | |
LAUGHS | 0:04:10 | 0:04:12 | |
No. | 0:04:12 | 0:04:13 | |
I remember when Woody was the Antichrist. | 0:04:13 | 0:04:15 | |
And by the way, the one thing that I didn't mention | 0:04:15 | 0:04:17 | |
is that he's also very funny. | 0:04:17 | 0:04:20 | |
So much of what's filtered out | 0:04:20 | 0:04:23 | |
about me over the years has been completely mythological. | 0:04:23 | 0:04:28 | |
I mean, completely, you know, exaggerated | 0:04:28 | 0:04:31 | |
or downright untrue. | 0:04:31 | 0:04:34 | |
Some of it's been true, of course. | 0:04:34 | 0:04:36 | |
Would you enter, mystery challenger, and sign in, please? | 0:04:43 | 0:04:46 | |
CHEERS AND APPLAUSE | 0:04:46 | 0:04:49 | |
Speak of making a documentary about Woody Allen. | 0:04:51 | 0:04:55 | |
Which Woody Allen? | 0:04:55 | 0:04:56 | |
There are actually so many. | 0:04:56 | 0:04:58 | |
You know, you have the stand-up comic, | 0:04:58 | 0:05:00 | |
the author of casual pieces for the New Yorker | 0:05:00 | 0:05:02 | |
in the tradition of SJ Perelman. | 0:05:02 | 0:05:04 | |
Are you in the entertainment field? | 0:05:04 | 0:05:06 | |
HIGH-PITCHED VOICE: Yes. | 0:05:06 | 0:05:07 | |
You have the clarinettist. | 0:05:07 | 0:05:09 | |
Are you a nightclub entertainer? | 0:05:09 | 0:05:11 | |
Mm, yes. | 0:05:11 | 0:05:13 | |
You have the playwright. | 0:05:13 | 0:05:16 | |
Are you primarily known for your work in the films? | 0:05:16 | 0:05:21 | |
No. | 0:05:21 | 0:05:22 | |
He was many things before he became a filmmaker. | 0:05:22 | 0:05:25 | |
Are you female? | 0:05:25 | 0:05:27 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:05:27 | 0:05:28 | |
No. | 0:05:28 | 0:05:29 | |
I think film became inevitable because he could bring together | 0:05:29 | 0:05:32 | |
all the things that he excelled at. | 0:05:32 | 0:05:33 | |
To really contextualise Woody Allen | 0:05:33 | 0:05:37 | |
in the history of American cinema, | 0:05:37 | 0:05:39 | |
one does have to go back to Charlie Chaplin, | 0:05:39 | 0:05:41 | |
the idea of an actor who becomes the writer, | 0:05:41 | 0:05:47 | |
the director, the true auteur, who places himself | 0:05:47 | 0:05:51 | |
at the centre of that cinematic universe | 0:05:51 | 0:05:53 | |
consistently through a number of films, | 0:05:53 | 0:05:56 | |
so that ultimately, the persona does enter the culture. | 0:05:56 | 0:06:00 | |
I mean, the reality is, | 0:06:00 | 0:06:01 | |
Woody Allen has managed to do that in our own time. | 0:06:01 | 0:06:04 | |
I used to think that Woody was | 0:06:04 | 0:06:08 | |
essentially a writerly sensibility. | 0:06:08 | 0:06:09 | |
On the other hand, I've seen, you know, | 0:06:09 | 0:06:12 | |
just a steady, steady growth | 0:06:12 | 0:06:14 | |
in his skills as a filmmaker, | 0:06:14 | 0:06:18 | |
complementing his skills as a writer. | 0:06:18 | 0:06:21 | |
I think, you know, he's almost as good as we get. | 0:06:21 | 0:06:26 | |
My parents were not pro Woody going into show business. | 0:06:26 | 0:06:31 | |
CHUCKLES | 0:06:31 | 0:06:33 | |
They wanted him to be a pharmacist. | 0:06:33 | 0:06:37 | |
He was the wrong person born to those parents. | 0:06:37 | 0:06:42 | |
That's all I can say. | 0:06:42 | 0:06:43 | |
SWING MUSIC PLAYING | 0:06:43 | 0:06:46 | |
ALLEN: My mother always used to say | 0:06:53 | 0:06:56 | |
I was a very sweet, happy kid right from the start, | 0:06:56 | 0:07:01 | |
and then somewhere around five or so, | 0:07:01 | 0:07:07 | |
I turned grumpier or sour. | 0:07:07 | 0:07:10 | |
I can only think, when I became aware of my mortality, | 0:07:10 | 0:07:17 | |
I didn't like that idea. | 0:07:17 | 0:07:20 | |
What do you mean, this ends? | 0:07:20 | 0:07:23 | |
This, you know, this is - | 0:07:23 | 0:07:24 | |
this doesn't go on like this? | 0:07:24 | 0:07:26 | |
No, it ends. | 0:07:26 | 0:07:28 | |
You know, you - you vanish for ever. | 0:07:28 | 0:07:33 | |
Once I realised that, I thought, "Hey," you know, "deal me out. | 0:07:33 | 0:07:38 | |
"I don't want to play in this game." | 0:07:38 | 0:07:41 | |
And I never was the same after that. | 0:07:41 | 0:07:43 | |
He's been depressed. | 0:07:43 | 0:07:44 | |
All of a sudden, he can't do anything. | 0:07:44 | 0:07:46 | |
Why are you depressed, Alvy? | 0:07:46 | 0:07:48 | |
Tell Dr Flicker. | 0:07:48 | 0:07:50 | |
It's something he read. | 0:07:50 | 0:07:52 | |
Something you read, huh? | 0:07:52 | 0:07:54 | |
The universe is expanding. | 0:07:54 | 0:07:56 | |
The universe is expanding? | 0:07:56 | 0:07:58 | |
Well, the universe is everything, | 0:07:58 | 0:08:00 | |
and if it's expanding, someday it will break apart, | 0:08:00 | 0:08:03 | |
and that will be the end of everything. | 0:08:03 | 0:08:05 | |
What is that your business?! | 0:08:05 | 0:08:07 | |
He's stopped doing his homework! | 0:08:07 | 0:08:09 | |
What's the point? | 0:08:09 | 0:08:11 | |
And that thought over the years | 0:08:11 | 0:08:14 | |
took different forms as I later got older | 0:08:14 | 0:08:18 | |
and always used my concentration camp example | 0:08:18 | 0:08:22 | |
of people around me having fun, enjoying themselves. | 0:08:22 | 0:08:27 | |
And I wanted to say, "But don't you realise | 0:08:27 | 0:08:30 | |
"you're going to go up in a smokestack, | 0:08:30 | 0:08:32 | |
"you know, in a short while? | 0:08:32 | 0:08:33 | |
"So why are you so happy? | 0:08:33 | 0:08:35 | |
"I mean, doesn't that thought sort of put a damper on things?" | 0:08:35 | 0:08:38 | |
I'm not saying my grim appraisal is right. | 0:08:38 | 0:08:40 | |
Of course, I think it is, | 0:08:40 | 0:08:42 | |
but this is only my particular take on everything - | 0:08:42 | 0:08:46 | |
that we all know the same truth, | 0:08:46 | 0:08:48 | |
and our lives consist of how we choose to distort it. | 0:08:48 | 0:08:52 | |
TRAIN CHUGS | 0:08:56 | 0:08:58 | |
MUSIC: "Moonlight Serenade" by The Glenn Miller Orchestra | 0:08:58 | 0:09:03 | |
When I grew up, Brooklyn was a great place to live. | 0:09:03 | 0:09:06 | |
There was very little traffic. | 0:09:06 | 0:09:08 | |
You could stay out all day long playing ball on the street. | 0:09:08 | 0:09:12 | |
And you couldn't walk two blocks without coming to a movie house. | 0:09:12 | 0:09:17 | |
A 15-minute trolley ride to Coney Island and the beach. | 0:09:17 | 0:09:23 | |
Kids were safe. I'd leave the house at eight o'clock in the morning | 0:09:23 | 0:09:26 | |
and come back at seven at night. | 0:09:26 | 0:09:28 | |
And when I think back on all those wonderful stores, | 0:09:28 | 0:09:32 | |
you know, bakery stores and delicatessens | 0:09:32 | 0:09:34 | |
and Chinese restaurants | 0:09:34 | 0:09:35 | |
and movie houses and candy stores... | 0:09:35 | 0:09:39 | |
But if you could cut back | 0:09:39 | 0:09:41 | |
to when I was a boy in the early '40s, | 0:09:41 | 0:09:43 | |
you know, it was sensational. | 0:09:43 | 0:09:45 | |
We always lived with relatives. | 0:09:47 | 0:09:49 | |
I lived with cousins and aunts and uncles, | 0:09:49 | 0:09:52 | |
and we almost never lived alone. | 0:09:52 | 0:09:54 | |
You know, this was a carry-over from the Depression, | 0:09:54 | 0:09:58 | |
when families were getting together. | 0:09:58 | 0:10:00 | |
So it was always very lively, | 0:10:00 | 0:10:03 | |
people doing things and yelling at each other, | 0:10:03 | 0:10:06 | |
and activity. | 0:10:06 | 0:10:08 | |
It was a madhouse all the time. | 0:10:08 | 0:10:11 | |
Woody's original name, birth name, | 0:10:16 | 0:10:19 | |
was Allan Stewart Konigsberg. | 0:10:19 | 0:10:22 | |
Now, my parents always called him Allan. | 0:10:22 | 0:10:25 | |
They never stopped calling him Allan. | 0:10:25 | 0:10:27 | |
What was the most miserable thing about your childhood? | 0:10:27 | 0:10:30 | |
Probably the fact that I was young. | 0:10:30 | 0:10:34 | |
-LAUGHTER -Oh, really? | 0:10:34 | 0:10:36 | |
Yeah. | 0:10:36 | 0:10:37 | |
It was. | 0:10:37 | 0:10:39 | |
If - if I could have been older at the time, | 0:10:39 | 0:10:41 | |
I think I could've carried it off more. | 0:10:41 | 0:10:44 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:10:44 | 0:10:46 | |
My mother used to leave me with these maids all the time | 0:10:53 | 0:10:56 | |
because she was working. | 0:10:56 | 0:10:58 | |
And I remember one of them when I was a kid, | 0:10:58 | 0:11:02 | |
and I was in my crib at the time, | 0:11:02 | 0:11:05 | |
explaining to me that if she wanted to, she could kill me, | 0:11:05 | 0:11:11 | |
that she could smother me, and she demonstrated it. | 0:11:11 | 0:11:15 | |
She could wrap me in a blanket, | 0:11:15 | 0:11:16 | |
completely cutting off all my air, | 0:11:16 | 0:11:18 | |
and smother me and then just dump me in the garbage outside. | 0:11:18 | 0:11:23 | |
It was just - but she did do it. | 0:11:23 | 0:11:26 | |
I couldn't breathe for a few seconds, | 0:11:26 | 0:11:28 | |
and then she let me out, | 0:11:28 | 0:11:30 | |
and, you know, one wonders how close I came. | 0:11:30 | 0:11:34 | |
So if that nanny were just like 10% crazier, | 0:11:34 | 0:11:37 | |
that could have been... | 0:11:37 | 0:11:39 | |
Sure. Sure. | 0:11:39 | 0:11:40 | |
That would have been, you know, the world would be poorer | 0:11:40 | 0:11:44 | |
a number of great one-liners. | 0:11:44 | 0:11:46 | |
My grandfather, on his deathbed, | 0:11:50 | 0:11:53 | |
sold me this watch. | 0:11:53 | 0:11:54 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:11:54 | 0:11:56 | |
His father was the sweetest man you could meet. | 0:11:56 | 0:12:02 | |
He was just so sweet and he'd call us every day. | 0:12:02 | 0:12:06 | |
He'd say, "It's going to rain. | 0:12:06 | 0:12:08 | |
"Do you have enough canned goods in the house?" | 0:12:08 | 0:12:10 | |
You know, we knew my father as Martin Konigsberg. | 0:12:10 | 0:12:13 | |
But actually, when - one year | 0:12:13 | 0:12:16 | |
when they had to get birth certificates, | 0:12:16 | 0:12:18 | |
my father's name was actually Max. | 0:12:18 | 0:12:20 | |
But we always knew him as Martin. | 0:12:20 | 0:12:22 | |
He was born in 1900 and lived to 100 years old. | 0:12:22 | 0:12:27 | |
My mother was Nettie Cherry. | 0:12:27 | 0:12:30 | |
She was born in 1906. | 0:12:30 | 0:12:32 | |
And she lived till 96. | 0:12:32 | 0:12:35 | |
FOLK MUSIC PLAYING | 0:12:35 | 0:12:39 | |
Our father's parents came to the United States | 0:12:39 | 0:12:42 | |
from Russia by way of England. | 0:12:42 | 0:12:45 | |
Our mother's family came from Austria. | 0:12:45 | 0:12:48 | |
But our mother and father were born here. | 0:12:48 | 0:12:52 | |
His father was quite wealthy | 0:12:52 | 0:12:54 | |
and at one time owned the movie theatre in Brooklyn, | 0:12:54 | 0:12:57 | |
Midwood Movie Theater, and then lost a lot of money. | 0:12:57 | 0:13:01 | |
And he was, like, egg candling or something like that, | 0:13:01 | 0:13:05 | |
and my mother was working for him. | 0:13:05 | 0:13:07 | |
He thought that she was, you know, responsible | 0:13:07 | 0:13:11 | |
and my father was not. | 0:13:11 | 0:13:13 | |
Anyway, he introduced my father to my mother, | 0:13:13 | 0:13:15 | |
and they got married. | 0:13:15 | 0:13:18 | |
They never got along. | 0:13:18 | 0:13:21 | |
There was a period of years when they never even spoke | 0:13:21 | 0:13:24 | |
when I was growing up. | 0:13:24 | 0:13:27 | |
It got better once they were much older. | 0:13:27 | 0:13:30 | |
They were married for ever and ever and ever, | 0:13:30 | 0:13:34 | |
but for my entire childhood that I remember, | 0:13:34 | 0:13:36 | |
they argued or didn't speak. | 0:13:36 | 0:13:39 | |
My little adorable father worked for the same firm for 14 years. | 0:13:39 | 0:13:43 | |
They fired him. They replaced him with a gadget this big. | 0:13:43 | 0:13:46 | |
Does everything that my father does, | 0:13:46 | 0:13:49 | |
only it does it much better, you know. | 0:13:49 | 0:13:50 | |
And the depressing thing is, | 0:13:50 | 0:13:52 | |
my mother ran out and bought one. | 0:13:52 | 0:13:54 | |
CHEERS AND APPLAUSE | 0:13:54 | 0:13:58 | |
What did your father do for a living? | 0:14:01 | 0:14:03 | |
That's a very good question. | 0:14:03 | 0:14:05 | |
He did everything over the years... | 0:14:05 | 0:14:08 | |
Jewellery engraving... | 0:14:08 | 0:14:09 | |
He was a bookmaker for a while. | 0:14:09 | 0:14:11 | |
A waiter at Sammy's Bowery Follies. | 0:14:11 | 0:14:14 | |
Then he was - he ran a pool room. | 0:14:14 | 0:14:17 | |
He was a taxi driver. | 0:14:17 | 0:14:19 | |
He was a bartender. He was a waiter. He was a jeweller. | 0:14:19 | 0:14:23 | |
You know, he was unskilled labour. | 0:14:23 | 0:14:25 | |
You know, he did all kinds of things, | 0:14:25 | 0:14:28 | |
small jobs over the years. | 0:14:28 | 0:14:30 | |
What DO you do, Dad? | 0:14:30 | 0:14:32 | |
It's none of your business. | 0:14:32 | 0:14:33 | |
All my friends know what their dads do for a living. | 0:14:33 | 0:14:35 | |
Don't you have any homework? | 0:14:35 | 0:14:36 | |
Hey, can I have 15 cents for the new Masked Avenger ring? | 0:14:36 | 0:14:38 | |
What am I, made of money? | 0:14:38 | 0:14:40 | |
Pay more attention to your schoolwork | 0:14:40 | 0:14:42 | |
-and less to the radio. -YOU always listen to the radio. | 0:14:42 | 0:14:45 | |
It's different. Our lives are ruined already. | 0:14:45 | 0:14:47 | |
You still have a chance to grow up and be somebody. | 0:14:47 | 0:14:50 | |
You think I want you working at the job I do? | 0:14:50 | 0:14:52 | |
I don't even know what your job is. | 0:14:52 | 0:14:54 | |
My father was not the one saying, "You have to study, you have to go to school, | 0:14:54 | 0:14:56 | |
"you have to do this, you have to do that." | 0:14:56 | 0:14:58 | |
It was my mother. It was my mother who - | 0:14:58 | 0:15:00 | |
who really had to push, | 0:15:00 | 0:15:02 | |
you know, to get anything accomplished. | 0:15:02 | 0:15:05 | |
You were a very bright child. | 0:15:05 | 0:15:07 | |
You spoke young, you were - you were very young when you spoke. | 0:15:07 | 0:15:11 | |
You were always running, | 0:15:11 | 0:15:13 | |
whether it was the street or the house or your room. | 0:15:13 | 0:15:16 | |
You never stayed put for five minutes. | 0:15:16 | 0:15:17 | |
I didn't know how to handle that type of a child. | 0:15:17 | 0:15:21 | |
You were too - too active and too much of a child for me. | 0:15:21 | 0:15:26 | |
I wasn't that good to you, | 0:15:26 | 0:15:27 | |
because I was very strict with you, | 0:15:27 | 0:15:29 | |
which I regret, because I think if I hadn't been that strict, | 0:15:29 | 0:15:33 | |
you might have been a more - not so impatient. | 0:15:33 | 0:15:38 | |
You might have been, what should I say? | 0:15:38 | 0:15:42 | |
Not "better" - | 0:15:42 | 0:15:44 | |
you're a good person - but maybe softer, maybe warmer. | 0:15:44 | 0:15:49 | |
And did you take up boxing really to escape from poverty | 0:15:49 | 0:15:52 | |
or just because you enjoyed it? | 0:15:52 | 0:15:54 | |
No, I took up boxing so I could deal with my mother. | 0:15:54 | 0:15:56 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:15:56 | 0:15:58 | |
Yes, there were a great many subjects | 0:15:58 | 0:16:00 | |
we disagreed on, and frequently the only way to settle matters | 0:16:00 | 0:16:04 | |
was to put on the gloves and get into the ring. | 0:16:04 | 0:16:06 | |
And I used to knock her teeth out all the time. | 0:16:06 | 0:16:08 | |
-Really? -Yeah, and she's an old woman, you know. | 0:16:08 | 0:16:10 | |
-Yeah, so, that's why. -LAUGHTER | 0:16:10 | 0:16:12 | |
I'll just grab my lid. | 0:16:20 | 0:16:22 | |
Give me a little protection. | 0:16:22 | 0:16:24 | |
CHUCKLES | 0:16:25 | 0:16:28 | |
-Can I get out on this side? -Oh, no, wait up. | 0:16:29 | 0:16:32 | |
This is the house that I was born in. | 0:16:41 | 0:16:44 | |
And we were on the top floor. | 0:16:44 | 0:16:49 | |
The landlord lived on the bottom floor. | 0:16:49 | 0:16:52 | |
I remember as a little boy | 0:16:52 | 0:16:54 | |
infuriating the landlord because - | 0:16:54 | 0:16:59 | |
you see, the pot there | 0:16:59 | 0:17:01 | |
used to have big red geraniums in them, | 0:17:01 | 0:17:03 | |
and I just ripped them all out so I could hide my soldiers. | 0:17:03 | 0:17:07 | |
I used to sit on this stoop all the time, | 0:17:07 | 0:17:09 | |
and this was where - where we rooted against the Nazis, | 0:17:09 | 0:17:15 | |
you know, and I had all my - | 0:17:15 | 0:17:17 | |
you know, this is where I first went to school, | 0:17:17 | 0:17:19 | |
to kindergarten and then from here. | 0:17:19 | 0:17:21 | |
It doesn't look like much, but it wasn't. | 0:17:21 | 0:17:25 | |
I'll take you around the corner | 0:17:25 | 0:17:27 | |
and show you where the Midwood Theater, | 0:17:27 | 0:17:30 | |
the movie house, was. | 0:17:30 | 0:17:32 | |
Now, God, when you think of it, you know, | 0:17:35 | 0:17:38 | |
the amount of movies that I saw right here, | 0:17:38 | 0:17:43 | |
I mean, it was just astonishing. | 0:17:43 | 0:17:45 | |
This was a very glamorous place at the time, you know, | 0:17:45 | 0:17:48 | |
a very pretty theatre with plush carpets and sconces | 0:17:48 | 0:17:52 | |
and beautiful glass fixtures, | 0:17:52 | 0:17:55 | |
lines of middle-class people, you know, attractive girls | 0:17:55 | 0:17:59 | |
and nice-looking young guys, | 0:17:59 | 0:18:02 | |
and all going to see, you know, what now we consider | 0:18:02 | 0:18:07 | |
our classic movie heritage. | 0:18:07 | 0:18:09 | |
It was all - it was all here. | 0:18:09 | 0:18:11 | |
Now, when you look at it, it's not as nice. | 0:18:11 | 0:18:15 | |
I started on the clarinet at about 15. | 0:18:25 | 0:18:29 | |
Actually, I started on the soprano saxophone, | 0:18:29 | 0:18:32 | |
because I wanted to play like Sidney Bechet, | 0:18:32 | 0:18:36 | |
and then I realised in the first two or three minutes | 0:18:36 | 0:18:40 | |
that it wasn't going to happen. | 0:18:40 | 0:18:42 | |
And then I started playing the clarinet. | 0:18:42 | 0:18:45 | |
I like to play. It's just a hobby, you know. | 0:18:45 | 0:18:48 | |
I always liked jazz. | 0:18:48 | 0:18:49 | |
I liked to listen when I was younger. | 0:18:49 | 0:18:52 | |
I still like to listen, of course. | 0:18:52 | 0:18:53 | |
But the clarinet I mostly played by myself. | 0:18:53 | 0:18:58 | |
I called up a jazz musician, quite a well-known jazz musician | 0:18:58 | 0:19:02 | |
named Gene Sedrick, and asked him | 0:19:02 | 0:19:04 | |
if he would give me some lessons, | 0:19:04 | 0:19:06 | |
and he used to come to my house, | 0:19:06 | 0:19:08 | |
and he would just sit in my living room with me | 0:19:08 | 0:19:10 | |
and play something and say, "You do it now." | 0:19:10 | 0:19:14 | |
And gradually, I learned how to play. | 0:19:14 | 0:19:18 | |
You know, when we're on location doing a film, | 0:19:18 | 0:19:21 | |
there are times he brings his instrument with him | 0:19:21 | 0:19:24 | |
and practises in the car on a break. | 0:19:24 | 0:19:28 | |
But he practises all the time. | 0:19:28 | 0:19:30 | |
It's a pleasurable thing to play. | 0:19:30 | 0:19:33 | |
If you play an instrument, it's fun to play it, | 0:19:33 | 0:19:36 | |
and it's fun to play it with other people. | 0:19:36 | 0:19:39 | |
And as it turns out, | 0:19:39 | 0:19:41 | |
people come and listen to us. | 0:19:41 | 0:19:45 | |
He loves going to the Carlyle | 0:19:45 | 0:19:46 | |
every week and playing music there. | 0:19:46 | 0:19:48 | |
He doesn't see it as, "Oh, I have to go, it's Monday night." | 0:19:48 | 0:19:51 | |
He loves doing it. | 0:19:51 | 0:19:52 | |
And he'll never do anything that he doesn't feel he can do well, | 0:19:52 | 0:19:57 | |
and so the practice is necessary, and that's it. | 0:19:57 | 0:19:59 | |
It's, you know, it's a foregone conclusion that he'll do it. | 0:19:59 | 0:20:03 | |
He said to me that if he could do anything in the world, | 0:20:03 | 0:20:06 | |
he would have loved to have been a clarinet player | 0:20:06 | 0:20:08 | |
more than a filmmaker. | 0:20:08 | 0:20:10 | |
PLAYING JAZZ | 0:20:10 | 0:20:14 | |
His sensitivity to music | 0:20:23 | 0:20:24 | |
is key to his success as a filmmaker, | 0:20:24 | 0:20:27 | |
because very early on, right from the very first films, | 0:20:27 | 0:20:30 | |
he's got a sense of rhythm, a sense of timing. | 0:20:30 | 0:20:34 | |
Rhythm and timing are key to success in comedy. | 0:20:34 | 0:20:37 | |
But because he has this other, sort of melodic sensitivity, | 0:20:37 | 0:20:40 | |
I think it really makes it possible for him | 0:20:40 | 0:20:43 | |
to not only do excellent comedy, | 0:20:43 | 0:20:45 | |
but it makes it possible for him to be emotional as well. | 0:20:45 | 0:20:48 | |
It's more direct expression of everything, | 0:20:52 | 0:20:57 | |
don't you think, music? | 0:20:57 | 0:20:58 | |
You know, he always would talk about Sidney Bechet, | 0:20:58 | 0:21:02 | |
and he has that sweet, winsome sound. | 0:21:02 | 0:21:07 | |
Woody has that sound. | 0:21:07 | 0:21:10 | |
It's in his persona, his public persona, | 0:21:10 | 0:21:13 | |
but it's also in him. | 0:21:13 | 0:21:16 | |
It's just in him. | 0:21:16 | 0:21:18 | |
CHEERS AND APPLAUSE | 0:21:24 | 0:21:29 | |
ALLEN: Our last years of high school in Midwood, | 0:21:33 | 0:21:35 | |
you know, all my friends were | 0:21:35 | 0:21:37 | |
deciding what they were going to do with their lives. | 0:21:37 | 0:21:39 | |
They were going to become doctors and lawyers. | 0:21:39 | 0:21:41 | |
And someone suggested that I try writing gags. | 0:21:41 | 0:21:46 | |
And I did try it after school. | 0:21:46 | 0:21:50 | |
So he starts sending jokes in to the newspaper, | 0:21:50 | 0:21:52 | |
and they started printing them. | 0:21:52 | 0:21:54 | |
I was shocked. | 0:21:57 | 0:21:59 | |
My name would suddenly appear in Walter Winchell's column | 0:21:59 | 0:22:01 | |
and Earl Wilson, and there were many columnists at the time, | 0:22:01 | 0:22:05 | |
Frank Farrell, Hy Gardner, Leonard Lyons. | 0:22:05 | 0:22:08 | |
I did not want to appear in Broadway columns | 0:22:08 | 0:22:12 | |
and in the newspapers with my own name, | 0:22:12 | 0:22:16 | |
because I didn't want to go to school the next day | 0:22:16 | 0:22:18 | |
and sit in my math class or my history class | 0:22:18 | 0:22:21 | |
and have some guy or girl turn to me and say, | 0:22:21 | 0:22:23 | |
"Hey, I saw your name in Walter Winchell's column." | 0:22:23 | 0:22:27 | |
And, you know, I was shy. | 0:22:27 | 0:22:29 | |
I wanted to keep my first name, Allan, | 0:22:29 | 0:22:32 | |
and I just threw on the first thing that came to mind with it. | 0:22:32 | 0:22:35 | |
"Woody Allen" kind of had a nice comedic ring to it, | 0:22:35 | 0:22:38 | |
and it seemed that that would be | 0:22:38 | 0:22:40 | |
a better guy to be signing gag lines than Allan Konigsberg. | 0:22:40 | 0:22:42 | |
There was a press agent, | 0:22:42 | 0:22:44 | |
a public relations man named David Alber. | 0:22:44 | 0:22:46 | |
And his job was to come up with funny lines | 0:22:46 | 0:22:48 | |
to put in the mouths of his clients. | 0:22:48 | 0:22:51 | |
And he called up and said, "Who is this guy, Woody Allen, | 0:22:51 | 0:22:54 | |
"whose name I read all the time in the columns?" | 0:22:54 | 0:22:57 | |
And I think it was Earl Wilson | 0:22:57 | 0:22:59 | |
at the Post at that time that said, | 0:22:59 | 0:23:01 | |
"He's some kid in Brooklyn | 0:23:01 | 0:23:02 | |
"who sends me these jokes after school." | 0:23:02 | 0:23:05 | |
And he hired Woody to come in at 25 a week after school | 0:23:05 | 0:23:08 | |
to write jokes. | 0:23:08 | 0:23:09 | |
And I was doing about 50 jokes a day for a long time. | 0:23:09 | 0:23:13 | |
It was not hard. | 0:23:13 | 0:23:14 | |
Well, he thought he was in the heart of show business. | 0:23:14 | 0:23:16 | |
And one of the people he was working with | 0:23:16 | 0:23:17 | |
was a guy named Mike Merrick, who was in his early 20s. | 0:23:17 | 0:23:20 | |
And Merrick had these round, black glasses. | 0:23:20 | 0:23:23 | |
And I thought, "Hey, I would look good in those." | 0:23:23 | 0:23:26 | |
So I bought these black-rimmed glasses | 0:23:26 | 0:23:29 | |
and put them on and wore them, and never gave my glasses | 0:23:29 | 0:23:34 | |
a second thought for the rest of my life. | 0:23:34 | 0:23:36 | |
From there, I was asked in to write some jokes | 0:23:36 | 0:23:41 | |
for the Arthur Godfrey programme, | 0:23:41 | 0:23:44 | |
for Peter Lind Hayes and Mary Healy - | 0:23:44 | 0:23:47 | |
they did a radio programme. | 0:23:47 | 0:23:48 | |
And that eventually got to Herb Shriner, | 0:23:48 | 0:23:52 | |
who was a wonderful comedian, and I wrote for him. | 0:23:52 | 0:23:56 | |
And I never really stopped. | 0:23:56 | 0:23:57 | |
I was never out of work. | 0:23:57 | 0:23:59 | |
By the time he was 16 or 17, | 0:23:59 | 0:24:01 | |
he was making more than his parents, | 0:24:01 | 0:24:03 | |
and has been regularly employed every day of his life since. | 0:24:03 | 0:24:07 | |
CLARINET PLAYING JAZZ | 0:24:07 | 0:24:10 | |
This is where I work. | 0:24:10 | 0:24:12 | |
My house is always full of clarinet reeds everyplace. | 0:24:14 | 0:24:18 | |
I bought this when I was 16. | 0:24:18 | 0:24:20 | |
It still works like a tank. | 0:24:20 | 0:24:23 | |
And it's a German typewriter, and it's an Olympia portable. | 0:24:23 | 0:24:28 | |
I've had it my whole life. | 0:24:28 | 0:24:30 | |
It cost me 40, I think. | 0:24:30 | 0:24:33 | |
The guy told me it would be around long after my death. | 0:24:33 | 0:24:37 | |
And I've typed everything that I've ever written - | 0:24:37 | 0:24:42 | |
every script, every New Yorker piece, | 0:24:42 | 0:24:44 | |
everything I've ever done, on this typewriter. | 0:24:44 | 0:24:47 | |
It used to have a metal piece on top, covering this, | 0:24:47 | 0:24:49 | |
which I lost 30 years ago. | 0:24:49 | 0:24:53 | |
One advantage, obviously, to a word processor is, | 0:24:53 | 0:24:56 | |
you can electronically cut and paste. | 0:24:56 | 0:24:58 | |
What do you do when you have to cut and paste? | 0:24:58 | 0:24:59 | |
If I'm typing something, I have my scissors here, | 0:24:59 | 0:25:04 | |
and I have a lot of these things, | 0:25:04 | 0:25:07 | |
these little stapling machines. | 0:25:07 | 0:25:09 | |
So if I'm typing something, | 0:25:09 | 0:25:13 | |
I type the part that looks like this. | 0:25:13 | 0:25:16 | |
You know, nobody can really type my stuff. | 0:25:16 | 0:25:20 | |
It looks terrible on the page, | 0:25:20 | 0:25:23 | |
so I have to type it, because I have arrows | 0:25:23 | 0:25:25 | |
and all kinds of things. But when I come to a nice part, | 0:25:25 | 0:25:28 | |
then I cut that part off | 0:25:28 | 0:25:31 | |
and staple it onto something else with this. | 0:25:31 | 0:25:35 | |
It's very primitive, I know. | 0:25:35 | 0:25:37 | |
But it works very well for me, and I can type. | 0:25:37 | 0:25:41 | |
You know, I mean, I can touch-type. | 0:25:41 | 0:25:43 | |
So there's no problem. | 0:25:43 | 0:25:46 | |
Woody dated a lot, | 0:25:48 | 0:25:50 | |
but didn't really bring, that I recall, | 0:25:50 | 0:25:53 | |
didn't really bring girls home until he was dating Harlene, | 0:25:53 | 0:25:58 | |
whom he eventually married. | 0:25:58 | 0:26:00 | |
And he was very young. | 0:26:00 | 0:26:02 | |
He was, I think, about 17, | 0:26:02 | 0:26:04 | |
and then 18 when he married her. | 0:26:04 | 0:26:05 | |
It's funny - when you're really young, | 0:26:05 | 0:26:07 | |
you know, you go out and you go to the movies and you go bowling | 0:26:07 | 0:26:12 | |
and you go to the drive-ins, | 0:26:12 | 0:26:14 | |
and then there's nowhere to go but to get married. | 0:26:14 | 0:26:18 | |
You don't know what else to do. We've done everything. | 0:26:18 | 0:26:20 | |
We've eaten at all the restaurants, | 0:26:20 | 0:26:21 | |
and we've, you know, we've seen the movies | 0:26:21 | 0:26:24 | |
and been to the theatre, the ball games, | 0:26:24 | 0:26:27 | |
so what else is there to do? | 0:26:27 | 0:26:30 | |
It's eight o'clock, let's get married. | 0:26:30 | 0:26:33 | |
So we got, you know, we got married. | 0:26:33 | 0:26:36 | |
And we were both kids. | 0:26:36 | 0:26:38 | |
And it served a very good function for both of us. | 0:26:38 | 0:26:41 | |
It got us out of our parents' homes. | 0:26:41 | 0:26:44 | |
It got us up on our feet. | 0:26:44 | 0:26:46 | |
And I suddenly found that I was 20 years old. | 0:26:46 | 0:26:49 | |
I was married and had responsibilities, | 0:26:49 | 0:26:51 | |
but we just, you know, | 0:26:51 | 0:26:54 | |
were too young to have a lifetime together. | 0:26:54 | 0:26:56 | |
I married a very immature woman, and it didn't work out. | 0:26:56 | 0:27:03 | |
See if this is not immature to you. | 0:27:03 | 0:27:05 | |
I would be home, in the bathroom, taking a bath, | 0:27:05 | 0:27:09 | |
and my wife would walk right in whenever she felt like, | 0:27:09 | 0:27:13 | |
and sink my boats. | 0:27:13 | 0:27:15 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:27:15 | 0:27:19 | |
In 1956, after writing for a number of comics, | 0:27:19 | 0:27:22 | |
Woody gets an opportunity to go to Tamiment. | 0:27:22 | 0:27:25 | |
It's a resort in the Poconos that specialises in theatre. | 0:27:25 | 0:27:29 | |
People would flood up there Friday nights | 0:27:29 | 0:27:32 | |
and stay for the weekends. | 0:27:32 | 0:27:34 | |
And they had a staff of writers, | 0:27:34 | 0:27:38 | |
dancers, directors, choreographers, | 0:27:38 | 0:27:41 | |
who would put on an original live revue show | 0:27:41 | 0:27:45 | |
every single week. | 0:27:45 | 0:27:47 | |
I was advised to go there, | 0:27:47 | 0:27:49 | |
because you really get experience | 0:27:49 | 0:27:52 | |
writing for a live audience, | 0:27:52 | 0:27:54 | |
how to write not just individual jokes but, you know, | 0:27:54 | 0:27:57 | |
five-minute sketches, three-minute sketches, eight-minute sketches. | 0:27:57 | 0:28:01 | |
So, I went and I did three summers there. | 0:28:01 | 0:28:04 | |
The first summer, I wrote sketches. | 0:28:04 | 0:28:07 | |
The second summer, I wrote sketches and directed them. | 0:28:07 | 0:28:09 | |
And the third summer, I wrote sketches and directed them. | 0:28:09 | 0:28:12 | |
You know, you couldn't sit in a room | 0:28:12 | 0:28:14 | |
waiting for your muse to come and tickle you. | 0:28:14 | 0:28:18 | |
Monday morning came, there was a dress rehearsal Thursday. | 0:28:18 | 0:28:22 | |
You had to get that thing written. | 0:28:22 | 0:28:26 | |
And it was gruelling, but you learned to write. | 0:28:26 | 0:28:29 | |
And from there, I managed to go | 0:28:29 | 0:28:33 | |
directly to The Sid Caesar Show. | 0:28:33 | 0:28:36 | |
Sid was an acknowledged comic genius, | 0:28:36 | 0:28:40 | |
and everybody wanted to write for him. | 0:28:40 | 0:28:44 | |
And suddenly, I got hired, and I was just, you know, | 0:28:44 | 0:28:49 | |
20, 21 years old. | 0:28:49 | 0:28:50 | |
And I found myself writing with Mel Brooks | 0:28:50 | 0:28:54 | |
and writing with Larry Gelbart and Mel Tolkin. | 0:28:54 | 0:28:57 | |
Why don't you try to go upstairs | 0:28:57 | 0:28:59 | |
and get some rest, huh? | 0:28:59 | 0:29:00 | |
I said, "My God, I'm writing for Sid Caesar." | 0:29:00 | 0:29:02 | |
And it was a great experience in my life. | 0:29:02 | 0:29:05 | |
Best not to take any of the rooms upstairs, | 0:29:05 | 0:29:08 | |
because they all have memories of Cecily. | 0:29:08 | 0:29:11 | |
John, please, we have to talk about this. | 0:29:11 | 0:29:13 | |
-You can't live in a mansion... -Don't sit in that chair! | 0:29:13 | 0:29:15 | |
Cecily used to sit in that chair. | 0:29:15 | 0:29:17 | |
It's like sitting on a memory. | 0:29:17 | 0:29:19 | |
John, please, this is... | 0:29:19 | 0:29:20 | |
Don't sit on that chair! | 0:29:20 | 0:29:23 | |
She used to put her feet on that chair | 0:29:23 | 0:29:24 | |
when she sat in that chair. | 0:29:24 | 0:29:26 | |
She was a very long girl. | 0:29:26 | 0:29:29 | |
JAZZ PLAYING | 0:29:29 | 0:29:32 | |
At that time, Jack Rollins and Charles Joffe | 0:29:34 | 0:29:39 | |
had a management business, | 0:29:39 | 0:29:40 | |
and they were the Rolls-Royce of management. | 0:29:40 | 0:29:44 | |
They were the ones that everybody wanted to go with. | 0:29:44 | 0:29:46 | |
And Woody said, would Charlie and I | 0:29:46 | 0:29:51 | |
be interested in him as a writer? | 0:29:51 | 0:29:53 | |
And I explained to him | 0:29:53 | 0:29:55 | |
that we had never handled writers as such. | 0:29:55 | 0:29:59 | |
We handled actors and personalities. | 0:29:59 | 0:30:02 | |
Well, we asked him to read something that he did. | 0:30:02 | 0:30:06 | |
And Jack and I thought he was hilarious. | 0:30:06 | 0:30:10 | |
He had never performed in his life. | 0:30:10 | 0:30:12 | |
And both of us just jumped and said, | 0:30:12 | 0:30:17 | |
"Don't let this guy out of the office." | 0:30:17 | 0:30:19 | |
The writing was fine, but he wanted me to be a comic. | 0:30:19 | 0:30:22 | |
He just felt I could be a comic. | 0:30:22 | 0:30:24 | |
Woody never dreamed of being a comic. | 0:30:24 | 0:30:28 | |
He was a writer. | 0:30:28 | 0:30:30 | |
And it was not easy. | 0:30:30 | 0:30:33 | |
And he said to me, and I remember this so clearly, | 0:30:33 | 0:30:35 | |
he said, "Do me a favour, just trust me. | 0:30:35 | 0:30:39 | |
"You just work and don't think about it, | 0:30:39 | 0:30:44 | |
"and let me think about it. | 0:30:44 | 0:30:46 | |
"Do what I tell you. | 0:30:46 | 0:30:48 | |
"And let's look up in a year and see where you are." | 0:30:48 | 0:30:52 | |
If you take my advice, I think you're going to become | 0:30:52 | 0:30:55 | |
one of the great balloon-folding acts of all time, | 0:30:55 | 0:30:57 | |
really, cos I don't see you | 0:30:57 | 0:30:59 | |
just folding these balloons in joints. | 0:30:59 | 0:31:00 | |
You know, you're going to - you listen to me, | 0:31:00 | 0:31:02 | |
you're going to fold these balloons | 0:31:02 | 0:31:03 | |
at universities and colleges. | 0:31:03 | 0:31:05 | |
You're going to - you're going to make | 0:31:05 | 0:31:06 | |
your snail and your elephant on Broadway. | 0:31:06 | 0:31:09 | |
You know what I mean? But the thing to remember is | 0:31:09 | 0:31:11 | |
before you go out on stage, | 0:31:11 | 0:31:12 | |
you got to look in the mirror, | 0:31:12 | 0:31:14 | |
you got to say your three S's - | 0:31:14 | 0:31:15 | |
star, smile, strong. | 0:31:15 | 0:31:18 | |
Star, smile, strong. | 0:31:18 | 0:31:21 | |
When you looked at the popular comedians of the time, | 0:31:21 | 0:31:23 | |
Mort Sahl was completely influential for Woody. | 0:31:23 | 0:31:26 | |
He was just amazing. | 0:31:26 | 0:31:30 | |
Everything about him was different, | 0:31:30 | 0:31:33 | |
the way he dressed, the way he spoke, his vocabulary, | 0:31:33 | 0:31:39 | |
and the references were all the things | 0:31:39 | 0:31:42 | |
that everybody was truly interested in - | 0:31:42 | 0:31:45 | |
artistic things and politics | 0:31:45 | 0:31:48 | |
and the flourishing of psychotherapy at the time, | 0:31:48 | 0:31:51 | |
and everything was so fresh and brilliant. | 0:31:51 | 0:31:54 | |
Oh, Richard Nixon's trip to Russia. | 0:31:54 | 0:31:57 | |
He's going to Russia, and he said | 0:31:57 | 0:31:59 | |
he hopes he gets along with them, and so... | 0:31:59 | 0:32:02 | |
Actually, you know, if he doesn't get along with them, | 0:32:02 | 0:32:04 | |
he'll kind of be in trouble, because, you know, you can't - | 0:32:04 | 0:32:06 | |
he can't call anybody a Communist | 0:32:06 | 0:32:07 | |
and hurt their career over there, you know. | 0:32:07 | 0:32:09 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:32:09 | 0:32:11 | |
CHEERS AND APPLAUSE | 0:32:11 | 0:32:14 | |
Sahl was the light that goes off with an idea for Woody. | 0:32:14 | 0:32:16 | |
He'd say, "Oh, you know, gee. | 0:32:16 | 0:32:18 | |
"This might be something that I can do. | 0:32:18 | 0:32:20 | |
"I can't be Mort Sahl, but I can do what Mort Sahl does. | 0:32:20 | 0:32:23 | |
"I can engage the audience in a different way than I've - | 0:32:23 | 0:32:25 | |
"than I've seen it before." | 0:32:25 | 0:32:26 | |
The first night I ever worked as a comic | 0:32:26 | 0:32:29 | |
was at the Blue Angel. | 0:32:29 | 0:32:31 | |
One day somebody said, "There's a kid appearing - | 0:32:31 | 0:32:35 | |
"there's a lot of talk about him, | 0:32:35 | 0:32:36 | |
"at the Blue Angel in New York" - | 0:32:36 | 0:32:38 | |
it's one of the great chic old nightclubs of New York fame - | 0:32:38 | 0:32:41 | |
"And why don't you go check him out?" | 0:32:41 | 0:32:43 | |
I didn't know what to expect, and I went to the Blue Angel, | 0:32:43 | 0:32:45 | |
and this somewhat gnomish man came out, and he began to talk. | 0:32:45 | 0:32:49 | |
And I realised, as line after line after line went by, | 0:32:49 | 0:32:54 | |
each of these is better | 0:32:54 | 0:32:55 | |
than any line any comic in the business has. | 0:32:55 | 0:32:58 | |
And the audience began to talk among themselves. | 0:32:58 | 0:33:03 | |
That's how it was, and there was a comedian on stage. | 0:33:03 | 0:33:06 | |
I wanted to kill them. | 0:33:06 | 0:33:07 | |
He was so shy. | 0:33:07 | 0:33:09 | |
He was so unused to being in front of an audience | 0:33:09 | 0:33:13 | |
that he would tie the mic cord around his neck. | 0:33:13 | 0:33:16 | |
He would frighten people. | 0:33:16 | 0:33:17 | |
They thought he would choke himself. | 0:33:17 | 0:33:20 | |
He was a non-performer. | 0:33:20 | 0:33:22 | |
He could hardly talk to people, | 0:33:22 | 0:33:25 | |
never mind perform for them. | 0:33:25 | 0:33:27 | |
And some nights he was god-awful, | 0:33:27 | 0:33:30 | |
but other nights he was absolutely brilliant. | 0:33:30 | 0:33:33 | |
I must pause for one fast second | 0:33:33 | 0:33:35 | |
and say a fast word about oral contraception. | 0:33:35 | 0:33:37 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:33:37 | 0:33:40 | |
I was involved in an extremely good example | 0:33:40 | 0:33:44 | |
of oral contraception two weeks ago. | 0:33:44 | 0:33:47 | |
I asked a girl to go to bed with me and she said, "No." | 0:33:47 | 0:33:50 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:33:50 | 0:33:55 | |
If you're a joke maker, it's hard not to make jokes. | 0:34:00 | 0:34:04 | |
Do you know what I mean? | 0:34:04 | 0:34:06 | |
Like, I'm always amazed when I see somebody | 0:34:06 | 0:34:08 | |
that can draw a horse. | 0:34:08 | 0:34:10 | |
I can't figure out how they can possibly do it, | 0:34:10 | 0:34:13 | |
because, you know, they actually reproduce the horse | 0:34:13 | 0:34:15 | |
with a pencil and paper, and it's terrific. | 0:34:15 | 0:34:17 | |
Now, I can't draw a horse or anything else, | 0:34:17 | 0:34:20 | |
but I can write jokes, | 0:34:20 | 0:34:23 | |
and it's hard not to write them. | 0:34:23 | 0:34:25 | |
I mean, if I walk down the street, it's almost - | 0:34:25 | 0:34:27 | |
it's like my normal conversation. | 0:34:27 | 0:34:29 | |
You know, it just comes out that way. | 0:34:29 | 0:34:32 | |
Do you know what I mean? | 0:34:32 | 0:34:34 | |
I played the Blue Angel and played some places, | 0:34:34 | 0:34:37 | |
and then someone told me about this place | 0:34:37 | 0:34:40 | |
called the Bitter End on Bleecker Street. | 0:34:40 | 0:34:42 | |
I opened the Bitter End in 1961. | 0:34:42 | 0:34:45 | |
It was located on Bleecker Street | 0:34:45 | 0:34:48 | |
near West Broadway. | 0:34:48 | 0:34:50 | |
The uptown clubs were completely different. | 0:34:50 | 0:34:52 | |
In the Village, there was just coffee shop kinds of places, | 0:34:52 | 0:34:55 | |
and the acts that were starting to happen were the folk acts. | 0:34:55 | 0:34:58 | |
Peter, Paul and Mary, of course, broke it wide open. | 0:34:58 | 0:35:00 | |
The Village in the '60s was the time | 0:35:00 | 0:35:03 | |
when sort of everything was happening. | 0:35:03 | 0:35:05 | |
It was a time when the Beats were very popular. | 0:35:05 | 0:35:09 | |
The pill came along. | 0:35:09 | 0:35:12 | |
The mixing of the races was starting there, | 0:35:12 | 0:35:14 | |
and Kennedy was elected. | 0:35:14 | 0:35:16 | |
And the Village was sparked like it hadn't been since the 1920s. | 0:35:16 | 0:35:21 | |
And some nights they'd play my club | 0:35:21 | 0:35:23 | |
and run down over to another club. | 0:35:23 | 0:35:26 | |
There were four or five different ones. | 0:35:26 | 0:35:28 | |
You didn't get paid, but you had a place to work. | 0:35:28 | 0:35:32 | |
And I would go down there every night with Jack and do my act. | 0:35:32 | 0:35:36 | |
Jack says, "Wait till you see him," | 0:35:36 | 0:35:38 | |
and he went on, and he didn't make it at all. | 0:35:38 | 0:35:43 | |
Nobody understood. They didn't get it. | 0:35:43 | 0:35:46 | |
And then Jack came over, and he said, | 0:35:46 | 0:35:48 | |
"See? He's an industry!" | 0:35:48 | 0:35:49 | |
That was the first three words Jack said | 0:35:49 | 0:35:52 | |
when he came off the stage. | 0:35:52 | 0:35:54 | |
"He's an industry." | 0:35:54 | 0:35:56 | |
Pretty soon, it became apparent | 0:35:56 | 0:35:58 | |
that he was a completely unique | 0:35:58 | 0:36:01 | |
new face and a voice on the scene. | 0:36:01 | 0:36:06 | |
For the first year of marriage, I had what you would call | 0:36:06 | 0:36:10 | |
a bad basic attitude toward my wife. | 0:36:10 | 0:36:12 | |
I tended to place my wife underneath a pedestal | 0:36:12 | 0:36:15 | |
all the time. | 0:36:15 | 0:36:17 | |
And we used to argue and fight, | 0:36:17 | 0:36:20 | |
and we finally decided that we would either | 0:36:20 | 0:36:22 | |
take a vacation in Bermuda or get a divorce, | 0:36:22 | 0:36:25 | |
one of the two things. | 0:36:25 | 0:36:26 | |
And we discussed it very maturely, | 0:36:26 | 0:36:28 | |
and we decided finally on the divorce, | 0:36:28 | 0:36:30 | |
cos we felt that we had a limited amount of money | 0:36:30 | 0:36:33 | |
to spend on something, and that a vacation in Bermuda | 0:36:33 | 0:36:37 | |
is over in two weeks, you know, | 0:36:37 | 0:36:39 | |
but a divorce is something that you always have, you know, so... | 0:36:39 | 0:36:43 | |
But it turns out, in New York State, | 0:36:43 | 0:36:45 | |
they have a very funny law | 0:36:45 | 0:36:47 | |
that says you can't get a divorce | 0:36:47 | 0:36:49 | |
unless you can prove adultery. | 0:36:49 | 0:36:52 | |
And that's very strange, because the Ten Commandments say, | 0:36:52 | 0:36:54 | |
"Thou shalt not commit adultery." | 0:36:54 | 0:36:57 | |
But New York State says you have to. | 0:36:57 | 0:37:00 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:37:00 | 0:37:03 | |
CHEERS AND APPLAUSE | 0:37:03 | 0:37:06 | |
I said, "Is it hard for you?" | 0:37:08 | 0:37:10 | |
He said he was suffering doing this act. | 0:37:10 | 0:37:13 | |
He was not a performer, really. | 0:37:13 | 0:37:15 | |
He vomited a few times, he said, | 0:37:15 | 0:37:18 | |
without any trace of humour in delivering that line, | 0:37:18 | 0:37:21 | |
that it really was hard. | 0:37:21 | 0:37:23 | |
Charlie and I would have to literally | 0:37:23 | 0:37:28 | |
shove him onto the stage | 0:37:28 | 0:37:30 | |
to do his little act. | 0:37:30 | 0:37:33 | |
I kept saying, "I'm not funny. I'm not a comic." | 0:37:33 | 0:37:36 | |
You know, "I can't do this. | 0:37:36 | 0:37:38 | |
"I hate it. I don't like the hours. | 0:37:38 | 0:37:40 | |
"I'm shy, and, you know, I don't like standing in front of an audience." | 0:37:40 | 0:37:44 | |
I mean, there was nothing about it I liked. | 0:37:44 | 0:37:45 | |
I mean, I kept saying, "I want to quit. I want to quit." | 0:37:45 | 0:37:48 | |
And Jack said, "Give it a little time, a little time." | 0:37:48 | 0:37:51 | |
I think his common sense told him that if he breaks through | 0:37:51 | 0:37:56 | |
on the level of the performer, | 0:37:56 | 0:37:59 | |
it will be a useful thing for him. | 0:37:59 | 0:38:03 | |
And then one night, he just bounded up on the stage, | 0:38:03 | 0:38:07 | |
and it was Woody. | 0:38:07 | 0:38:09 | |
He told the same jokes, and they worked. | 0:38:09 | 0:38:12 | |
And the audience really liked it. | 0:38:12 | 0:38:15 | |
The telephone company has this service | 0:38:15 | 0:38:17 | |
for emotionally disturbed types called Dial-a-Prayer. | 0:38:17 | 0:38:20 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:38:20 | 0:38:22 | |
They have a number that you dial if you are an atheist, | 0:38:22 | 0:38:24 | |
and you don't hear anything on the other end of the phone. | 0:38:24 | 0:38:27 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:38:27 | 0:38:30 | |
When Woody was there about four or six weeks, | 0:38:33 | 0:38:35 | |
there was an article in the Times saying, | 0:38:35 | 0:38:39 | |
"You gotta come down to the Bitter End. | 0:38:39 | 0:38:41 | |
"You gotta see this new performer. He's great." | 0:38:41 | 0:38:44 | |
And he raved about him. | 0:38:44 | 0:38:46 | |
It was the first great review | 0:38:46 | 0:38:48 | |
that Woody got from the New York Times. | 0:38:48 | 0:38:50 | |
I was real excited about it. | 0:38:50 | 0:38:52 | |
There were lines outside the block | 0:38:52 | 0:38:54 | |
that went all the way down to McDougal Street. | 0:38:54 | 0:38:56 | |
Newspapers started to become interested in me | 0:38:56 | 0:38:59 | |
and send reporters down to do stories, | 0:38:59 | 0:39:02 | |
and other nightclub owners would come and watch | 0:39:02 | 0:39:05 | |
and book me for places, | 0:39:05 | 0:39:08 | |
and television people would come down and book me on the TV shows. | 0:39:08 | 0:39:11 | |
I was kidnapped once. | 0:39:11 | 0:39:13 | |
Listen to this story. | 0:39:13 | 0:39:15 | |
I was standing by my schoolyard, | 0:39:15 | 0:39:18 | |
and a black sedan pulled up, and two guys got out, | 0:39:18 | 0:39:22 | |
and they asked me if I wanted to go away with them | 0:39:22 | 0:39:24 | |
to a land where everybody was fairies and elves and... | 0:39:24 | 0:39:27 | |
I could have all the comic books I wanted | 0:39:27 | 0:39:29 | |
and Tootsie Rolls and chocolate buttons | 0:39:29 | 0:39:32 | |
and wax lips, you know, and... | 0:39:32 | 0:39:35 | |
I said yes. | 0:39:35 | 0:39:38 | |
I got into their car with them, | 0:39:38 | 0:39:39 | |
you know, because - I figured, "What the heck?" | 0:39:39 | 0:39:41 | |
You know, I was home that weekend from college anyhow. | 0:39:41 | 0:39:43 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:39:43 | 0:39:46 | |
CHEERS AND APPLAUSE | 0:39:46 | 0:39:48 | |
He had a heavy television exposure, | 0:39:48 | 0:39:52 | |
and that, of course, is what builds national figures. | 0:39:52 | 0:39:56 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:39:56 | 0:39:59 | |
In terms of those jobs, nothing was beneath me. | 0:40:02 | 0:40:06 | |
I boxed a kangaroo. | 0:40:06 | 0:40:09 | |
I sang Little Sir Echo with a talking dog. | 0:40:11 | 0:40:15 | |
# Little Sir Echo, how do you do? | 0:40:15 | 0:40:19 | |
# Hello | 0:40:19 | 0:40:20 | |
WHINES # Hell-hello | 0:40:20 | 0:40:23 | |
WHINES | 0:40:23 | 0:40:25 | |
He sang in rehearsal. | 0:40:25 | 0:40:27 | |
'This was part of Jack Rollins' game plan, | 0:40:27 | 0:40:29 | |
'cos Jack's theory was' | 0:40:29 | 0:40:32 | |
to saturate the country with me as much as he could, | 0:40:32 | 0:40:35 | |
so I would be a household name. | 0:40:35 | 0:40:37 | |
Once he was on a prime-time show starring Perry Como, | 0:40:37 | 0:40:41 | |
and it was a big production number, | 0:40:41 | 0:40:44 | |
and as the scene opened, "Woody" was spelled in 15-foot letters | 0:40:44 | 0:40:50 | |
in the background, backlighted, | 0:40:50 | 0:40:52 | |
and he came on in tails and twirling a cane and top hat. | 0:40:52 | 0:40:56 | |
And I remember his saying, | 0:40:56 | 0:40:58 | |
"I thought I would have a heart attack backstage | 0:40:58 | 0:41:01 | |
"before going on." | 0:41:01 | 0:41:03 | |
# Now here you certainly are | 0:41:03 | 0:41:06 | |
# Yes, now when I dash along the boulevard... # | 0:41:06 | 0:41:09 | |
'And I remember the columnist Jack O'Brian, | 0:41:09 | 0:41:13 | |
'who was a huge, huge supporter of mine,' | 0:41:13 | 0:41:16 | |
he said, "You know, we always use superlatives | 0:41:16 | 0:41:20 | |
"when we write about Woody. | 0:41:20 | 0:41:21 | |
"And I've got to say he is the worst singer | 0:41:21 | 0:41:24 | |
"that I've ever heard in my life." | 0:41:24 | 0:41:26 | |
And I'm sure I was, because - but it didn't matter. | 0:41:26 | 0:41:32 | |
This was all part of what Jack wanted. | 0:41:32 | 0:41:37 | |
He wanted me to seep into the pores of the multitude. | 0:41:37 | 0:41:43 | |
And he did that for a few years | 0:41:43 | 0:41:45 | |
and was making good success at it, | 0:41:45 | 0:41:47 | |
and he became very popular on The Tonight Show. | 0:41:47 | 0:41:49 | |
Johnny Carson loved him. | 0:41:49 | 0:41:50 | |
He performed on there many times, | 0:41:50 | 0:41:52 | |
was the guest host on a number of occasions, | 0:41:52 | 0:41:54 | |
and then also began appearing with Dick Cavett on his show on ABC. | 0:41:54 | 0:41:58 | |
And what's wonderful about those shows was | 0:41:58 | 0:42:01 | |
you could see that the two of them knew and liked each other | 0:42:01 | 0:42:04 | |
and really enjoyed playing off the other. | 0:42:04 | 0:42:06 | |
I would always grin | 0:42:06 | 0:42:08 | |
when I could look and see him in the wings | 0:42:08 | 0:42:10 | |
about to come out, cos I knew we were going to have fun. | 0:42:10 | 0:42:12 | |
And he did seem to enjoy doing the show. | 0:42:12 | 0:42:15 | |
LAUGHTER AND APPLAUSE | 0:42:15 | 0:42:19 | |
All right. | 0:42:25 | 0:42:26 | |
Woody's improv skill deserves to be legendary. | 0:42:26 | 0:42:30 | |
And on the air, I would throw something at Woody | 0:42:30 | 0:42:34 | |
and dare him to give examples of something, | 0:42:34 | 0:42:37 | |
and he would instantly go into something that ranked | 0:42:37 | 0:42:40 | |
with the very best of Second City's vaunted improvisers. | 0:42:40 | 0:42:43 | |
The British in India invented the game called poona. | 0:42:43 | 0:42:47 | |
Ah, I've played it. | 0:42:47 | 0:42:49 | |
Well, then good, because the question is, | 0:42:49 | 0:42:51 | |
is the game still played? And if so, how? | 0:42:51 | 0:42:54 | |
Um, it requires two consenting adults to play the game. | 0:42:54 | 0:42:58 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:42:58 | 0:42:59 | |
And one is the pooner, and one is the poonee. | 0:42:59 | 0:43:03 | |
APPLAUSE | 0:43:03 | 0:43:06 | |
I don't know if we need to go on with this or not. | 0:43:09 | 0:43:11 | |
You spin a dial, | 0:43:11 | 0:43:13 | |
and you can advance two squares if you like, | 0:43:13 | 0:43:16 | |
and you have to yell out, "Poonee! Poonee!" | 0:43:16 | 0:43:19 | |
And then they give you paper money, | 0:43:19 | 0:43:21 | |
or "scrip", as it's called. | 0:43:21 | 0:43:23 | |
And then you smear butter on the person you're playing with | 0:43:23 | 0:43:26 | |
and recite the word "nutmeg" seven times. | 0:43:26 | 0:43:29 | |
-CAVETT LAUGHS -That's uncanny. | 0:43:29 | 0:43:31 | |
Yes. First one to reach the - the poonatorium is the winner. | 0:43:31 | 0:43:36 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:43:36 | 0:43:38 | |
It was just brilliant, and he could do that anywhere, any time. | 0:43:38 | 0:43:43 | |
Who was the first movie star that you met? | 0:43:43 | 0:43:46 | |
Can you remember? | 0:43:46 | 0:43:47 | |
Uh, yes. | 0:43:47 | 0:43:49 | |
I met Trigger, | 0:43:49 | 0:43:51 | |
who was Roy Rogers' horse, at a party. | 0:43:51 | 0:43:55 | |
Actually, I picked him up at a party, | 0:43:55 | 0:43:57 | |
and we had an ongoing relationship | 0:43:57 | 0:43:59 | |
for two years after that, which I'm very proud of. | 0:43:59 | 0:44:03 | |
Did you ever meet Roy Rogers at that time? | 0:44:03 | 0:44:05 | |
No, I had no interest in meeting Roy Rogers. | 0:44:05 | 0:44:07 | |
But I loved living with his horse. | 0:44:07 | 0:44:11 | |
But what about the smell? | 0:44:13 | 0:44:15 | |
He didn't mind that so much. | 0:44:15 | 0:44:17 | |
There was one time | 0:44:19 | 0:44:20 | |
I had a show that was mostly Woody, | 0:44:20 | 0:44:22 | |
and then the great Ruth Gordon came out, in her 70s. | 0:44:22 | 0:44:26 | |
And as a surprise, Gina Lollobrigida appeared, | 0:44:26 | 0:44:30 | |
looking glamorous. | 0:44:30 | 0:44:31 | |
-Do you know Mr Allen? -He's very funny. | 0:44:31 | 0:44:34 | |
Thank you. I was just figuring out... LAUGHTER | 0:44:34 | 0:44:37 | |
I was just sitting here trying to figure which - | 0:44:37 | 0:44:39 | |
how are we going to split 'em up, you know - who gets which one? | 0:44:39 | 0:44:41 | |
CHEERS AND APPLAUSE | 0:44:41 | 0:44:45 | |
How Woody got into the movies was, when he was playing | 0:44:45 | 0:44:49 | |
the Blue Angel, we had a lot of stars come in to see him. | 0:44:49 | 0:44:54 | |
Shirley Maclaine brought in a friend of hers, | 0:44:54 | 0:44:59 | |
Charles K Feldman, | 0:44:59 | 0:45:00 | |
who was one of the all-time | 0:45:00 | 0:45:03 | |
Hollywood motion picture producers. | 0:45:03 | 0:45:05 | |
So the great Charles K Feldman | 0:45:05 | 0:45:07 | |
was very taken with Woody's work, | 0:45:07 | 0:45:10 | |
you know, wisely. | 0:45:10 | 0:45:12 | |
And the next thing I knew, Monday morning, | 0:45:12 | 0:45:15 | |
they offered me 20,000 to write | 0:45:15 | 0:45:20 | |
the script of "What's New Pussycat?" | 0:45:20 | 0:45:24 | |
I wrote it and wrote a small part for myself in it. | 0:45:24 | 0:45:27 | |
That was his first entrance into motion picture world. | 0:45:27 | 0:45:32 | |
Yeah. | 0:45:34 | 0:45:36 | |
-Absinthe. -Coffee. | 0:45:36 | 0:45:38 | |
Mineral water. | 0:45:38 | 0:45:40 | |
Did you find a job? | 0:45:40 | 0:45:42 | |
Yeah, I got something at the striptease. | 0:45:42 | 0:45:44 | |
I help the girls dress and undress. | 0:45:44 | 0:45:46 | |
Nice job. | 0:45:46 | 0:45:47 | |
20 francs a week. | 0:45:47 | 0:45:48 | |
Not very much. | 0:45:48 | 0:45:50 | |
It's all I can afford. | 0:45:50 | 0:45:51 | |
They hired a very lovely director, Clive Donner, | 0:45:53 | 0:45:58 | |
a very nice man and good director, to do it, | 0:45:58 | 0:46:01 | |
but the studio would not leave him alone. | 0:46:01 | 0:46:04 | |
They had their hand in every pie, | 0:46:04 | 0:46:07 | |
and so they were taking my script and mangling it. | 0:46:07 | 0:46:13 | |
There are places where Woody shines through, | 0:46:13 | 0:46:15 | |
but his work, which had always been successful, | 0:46:15 | 0:46:18 | |
was suddenly in the hands of someone else. | 0:46:18 | 0:46:20 | |
He had no leverage whatsoever in what went on. | 0:46:20 | 0:46:25 | |
And he found that the script that he had presented | 0:46:25 | 0:46:28 | |
had turned into this antic farce that was just really | 0:46:28 | 0:46:32 | |
the antithesis of Woody's comedy. | 0:46:32 | 0:46:34 | |
I have often said that if I could've directed that, | 0:46:34 | 0:46:39 | |
you know, it would've been | 0:46:39 | 0:46:41 | |
a much, much, much funnier picture | 0:46:41 | 0:46:44 | |
but made much less money. | 0:46:44 | 0:46:46 | |
The film was so financially successful | 0:46:46 | 0:46:49 | |
that I think it was the greatest, | 0:46:49 | 0:46:51 | |
biggest-grossing comedy to that date. | 0:46:51 | 0:46:53 | |
It was a boring picture, as I recall. | 0:46:53 | 0:46:55 | |
I rather enjoyed it. | 0:46:55 | 0:46:56 | |
Yes, but you're mistaken. | 0:46:56 | 0:46:58 | |
Charlie Joffe kept saying, | 0:46:58 | 0:46:59 | |
"You know, settle down, settle down. | 0:46:59 | 0:47:01 | |
"You're acting in a movie, | 0:47:01 | 0:47:02 | |
"you're getting your credit on this, | 0:47:02 | 0:47:03 | |
"you're going to be able to go forward from this." | 0:47:03 | 0:47:05 | |
I knew Woody was going to continue | 0:47:05 | 0:47:07 | |
to make films after that experience. | 0:47:07 | 0:47:10 | |
And I knew it was not going to be for Charles Feldman. | 0:47:10 | 0:47:13 | |
I mean, I didn't even go see it. | 0:47:13 | 0:47:15 | |
I just was so angry at the whole thing, | 0:47:15 | 0:47:18 | |
vowed never to work in movies again | 0:47:18 | 0:47:21 | |
unless I could be the director | 0:47:21 | 0:47:22 | |
and have control, not just the director. | 0:47:22 | 0:47:24 | |
And the great lesson that came out of that | 0:47:24 | 0:47:27 | |
was the sense of, nobody was ever | 0:47:27 | 0:47:29 | |
going to mess with his stuff again. | 0:47:29 | 0:47:30 | |
The next thing I did was, | 0:47:30 | 0:47:32 | |
I wrote a script with my school friend Mickey Rose | 0:47:32 | 0:47:36 | |
for Take The Money And Run. | 0:47:36 | 0:47:37 | |
The only way I wanted to get it on was me directing that. | 0:47:37 | 0:47:42 | |
At that time, I knew nothing about producing, | 0:47:42 | 0:47:45 | |
so I wanted to learn to do it so we could control it, | 0:47:45 | 0:47:49 | |
keep the control as close to us as we could. | 0:47:49 | 0:47:53 | |
And Jack was instrumental in making a deal for him | 0:47:53 | 0:47:57 | |
after that, where he didn't spend a lot of money | 0:47:57 | 0:48:00 | |
but he had control of the film. | 0:48:00 | 0:48:02 | |
We sold 'em the idea that if you want Woody, | 0:48:02 | 0:48:05 | |
you must understand how to work with him, | 0:48:05 | 0:48:09 | |
which is, leave him alone. | 0:48:09 | 0:48:12 | |
He's doing the movie and he's doing it his way, | 0:48:12 | 0:48:15 | |
and nobody is going to ask questions, | 0:48:15 | 0:48:18 | |
and nobody is going to interfere with him | 0:48:18 | 0:48:20 | |
and get him tripped up in any way. | 0:48:20 | 0:48:23 | |
He wants no contact with anybody. | 0:48:23 | 0:48:25 | |
That's what we got in our contract. | 0:48:25 | 0:48:29 | |
LAUGHING | 0:48:31 | 0:48:34 | |
He was going the next day to direct his very first thing, | 0:48:34 | 0:48:39 | |
and he was nervous about it. | 0:48:39 | 0:48:40 | |
And I walk into the bedroom, and he's sitting on the bed, | 0:48:40 | 0:48:43 | |
you know, with legs up, how you sit on the bed and read? | 0:48:43 | 0:48:46 | |
And on the front of the book it says, "How To Direct." | 0:48:46 | 0:48:51 | |
I didn't know the first thing about filmmaking or - | 0:48:51 | 0:48:54 | |
not the first thing. I knew this, though, | 0:48:54 | 0:48:56 | |
that it was going to be a pseudo-documentary in style. | 0:48:56 | 0:48:59 | |
So I had a structure to hang on to right from the start. | 0:48:59 | 0:49:03 | |
-NARRATOR: -Virgil steals to pay for cello lessons. | 0:49:03 | 0:49:05 | |
And although he does not achieve greatness on the instrument, | 0:49:05 | 0:49:08 | |
he is soon good enough to play in a local band. | 0:49:08 | 0:49:11 | |
Take The Money And Run | 0:49:23 | 0:49:24 | |
I saw when I was in the army. | 0:49:24 | 0:49:27 | |
It was playing on the base. | 0:49:27 | 0:49:28 | |
And, of course, I had just been through like the worst hell | 0:49:28 | 0:49:32 | |
I'd ever been through in my life. | 0:49:32 | 0:49:33 | |
Like six, I can't even - | 0:49:33 | 0:49:35 | |
like, they were firing bullets over my head, | 0:49:35 | 0:49:37 | |
I was crawling on the ground, I was in basic training. | 0:49:37 | 0:49:38 | |
So, all of a sudden, we get this break | 0:49:38 | 0:49:41 | |
that we can go to the movies. | 0:49:41 | 0:49:43 | |
You know, after being in the army | 0:49:43 | 0:49:46 | |
and going to see that movie, | 0:49:46 | 0:49:47 | |
it was the most exhilarating, | 0:49:47 | 0:49:50 | |
amazing experience to just be able | 0:49:50 | 0:49:52 | |
to sit there and laugh like that | 0:49:52 | 0:49:54 | |
after the hell that I'd been through. | 0:49:54 | 0:49:55 | |
And I always thought that, "Oh, boy." | 0:49:55 | 0:49:58 | |
And I thought, "Boy, I got a connection to this guy." | 0:49:58 | 0:50:01 | |
What does this say? | 0:50:07 | 0:50:10 | |
Ahem! Can't you read that? | 0:50:10 | 0:50:12 | |
I can't read this. What's this? "Act natural"? | 0:50:12 | 0:50:16 | |
No, it says, | 0:50:16 | 0:50:19 | |
"Please put 50,000 into this bag and act natural." | 0:50:19 | 0:50:21 | |
It does say "act natural." | 0:50:21 | 0:50:25 | |
"I am pointing a gun at you." | 0:50:25 | 0:50:28 | |
That looks like "gub." | 0:50:28 | 0:50:30 | |
That doesn't look like "gun." | 0:50:30 | 0:50:32 | |
No, it's "gun." | 0:50:32 | 0:50:33 | |
No, that's "gub." That's a "b." | 0:50:33 | 0:50:36 | |
No. See, that's an "n." It's g-u-n. | 0:50:36 | 0:50:38 | |
It's "gun." | 0:50:38 | 0:50:40 | |
George, would you | 0:50:40 | 0:50:42 | |
step over here a moment, please? | 0:50:42 | 0:50:43 | |
What does this say? | 0:50:43 | 0:50:47 | |
"Please put 50,000 | 0:50:47 | 0:50:50 | |
"into this bag and abt natural." | 0:50:50 | 0:50:53 | |
-What's "abt"? -It's "act." | 0:50:53 | 0:50:55 | |
Does this - does this look like "gub" or "gun"? | 0:50:55 | 0:50:58 | |
"Gun." | 0:50:58 | 0:51:00 | |
-See? -But what's "abt" mean? | 0:51:00 | 0:51:02 | |
It's "act," a-c-t. "Act natural." | 0:51:02 | 0:51:04 | |
Please put 50,000 into this bag. | 0:51:04 | 0:51:07 | |
Act natural. | 0:51:07 | 0:51:09 | |
Oh, I see. | 0:51:09 | 0:51:10 | |
-This is a hold-up? -Yes. | 0:51:10 | 0:51:12 | |
May I see your gun? | 0:51:12 | 0:51:14 | |
Oh. | 0:51:14 | 0:51:16 | |
Well, you'll have to have this note | 0:51:18 | 0:51:20 | |
initialled by one of our vice presidents | 0:51:20 | 0:51:22 | |
before I can give you any money. | 0:51:22 | 0:51:24 | |
Take The Money And Run was financed by Palomar Pictures, | 0:51:26 | 0:51:28 | |
which was a division of the ABC television network. | 0:51:28 | 0:51:31 | |
And when it was finished, the executives looked at it | 0:51:31 | 0:51:34 | |
and didn't know what to make of the film. | 0:51:34 | 0:51:36 | |
And Woody said that when he was screening | 0:51:36 | 0:51:38 | |
Take The Money And Run for the executives, | 0:51:38 | 0:51:41 | |
that after ten minutes of the first reel, | 0:51:41 | 0:51:44 | |
one of the executives leaned to him | 0:51:44 | 0:51:46 | |
and said, "Is the rest like this?" | 0:51:46 | 0:51:48 | |
When we showed it to Palomar, | 0:51:48 | 0:51:51 | |
they suggested bringing in Ralph Rosenblum to help me. | 0:51:51 | 0:51:56 | |
Ralph was a wonderful editor. | 0:51:56 | 0:51:59 | |
And he came in and saw it | 0:51:59 | 0:52:00 | |
and looked at all the stuff I had taken out | 0:52:00 | 0:52:04 | |
and said, "You gotta put all that stuff back. | 0:52:04 | 0:52:07 | |
"All that stuff is funny. Why did you take it out?" | 0:52:07 | 0:52:10 | |
And I said, "Well, you know." | 0:52:10 | 0:52:12 | |
He said, "You can't go, you gotta give it a fighting chance. | 0:52:12 | 0:52:14 | |
"Put it in, put a piece of music behind it. | 0:52:14 | 0:52:17 | |
"Show it to an audience of people." | 0:52:17 | 0:52:20 | |
So we did, and Ralph was right. | 0:52:20 | 0:52:23 | |
And the picture played very well. | 0:52:23 | 0:52:26 | |
And it opened and was very successful, right off the bat. | 0:52:26 | 0:52:32 | |
And the film launched my career. | 0:52:32 | 0:52:34 | |
So from my first movie on, Take The Money And Run, | 0:52:34 | 0:52:38 | |
when I certainly had done nothing | 0:52:38 | 0:52:41 | |
to earn complete control, nothing, | 0:52:41 | 0:52:44 | |
I had complete control, | 0:52:44 | 0:52:46 | |
and have never done a movie in my life | 0:52:46 | 0:52:48 | |
where I didn't have complete control of it. | 0:52:48 | 0:52:50 | |
When Woody set his sights on play writing, | 0:52:50 | 0:52:53 | |
he enjoyed great success with his very first stage comedy, | 0:52:53 | 0:52:56 | |
called Don't Drink The Water, on Broadway, | 0:52:56 | 0:52:58 | |
starring Lou Jacobi, who later turned up in some of his films. | 0:52:58 | 0:53:02 | |
It had a good run. | 0:53:02 | 0:53:04 | |
And in it, playing the young romantic lead, | 0:53:04 | 0:53:07 | |
was an actor named Tony Roberts whom Woody befriended | 0:53:07 | 0:53:10 | |
and also cast in his next play, | 0:53:10 | 0:53:13 | |
which was Play It Again, Sam, in which Woody starred. | 0:53:13 | 0:53:16 | |
# You must remember this... # | 0:53:16 | 0:53:19 | |
It was a little | 0:53:19 | 0:53:21 | |
stage play that - that I wrote many years ago, | 0:53:21 | 0:53:25 | |
mostly to give myself an opportunity | 0:53:25 | 0:53:28 | |
to appear on stage. | 0:53:28 | 0:53:29 | |
The fact that they asked me | 0:53:29 | 0:53:31 | |
to play the movie a couple years later, | 0:53:31 | 0:53:33 | |
that was fine and a nice opportunity for me. | 0:53:33 | 0:53:35 | |
I was very fortunate that Herb Ross directed it | 0:53:35 | 0:53:38 | |
and did a very good job on it. | 0:53:38 | 0:53:39 | |
I'm 29! | 0:53:39 | 0:53:41 | |
The height of my sexual potency was ten years ago. | 0:53:41 | 0:53:44 | |
Oh, Allen, | 0:53:44 | 0:53:45 | |
look at the bright side. | 0:53:45 | 0:53:47 | |
You're free. | 0:53:47 | 0:53:48 | |
You'll go out. There'll be girls. | 0:53:48 | 0:53:50 | |
You'll go to parties and have affairs with married women, | 0:53:50 | 0:53:53 | |
sexual relations with girls of every race, creed and colour. | 0:53:53 | 0:53:56 | |
Oh, you get tired of that. | 0:53:58 | 0:54:00 | |
Because we were acting together in the play, | 0:54:00 | 0:54:03 | |
we bonded, and we got to be friends and became close. | 0:54:03 | 0:54:07 | |
And of course, Keaton was a large part of that. | 0:54:07 | 0:54:11 | |
# This is the dawning of the Age of Aquarius... # | 0:54:11 | 0:54:14 | |
Diane had been in Hair | 0:54:14 | 0:54:16 | |
right before we started rehearsals | 0:54:16 | 0:54:18 | |
for Play It Again, Sam. | 0:54:18 | 0:54:20 | |
And I was very impressed with that. | 0:54:20 | 0:54:22 | |
I remember that Diane was the only one | 0:54:22 | 0:54:25 | |
who wouldn't take off her clothes. | 0:54:25 | 0:54:28 | |
CHUCKLES | 0:54:28 | 0:54:30 | |
I was sent up for Play It Again, Sam | 0:54:30 | 0:54:32 | |
and I auditioned, along with a lot of young New York actresses. | 0:54:32 | 0:54:35 | |
And that's what I did, I read. | 0:54:35 | 0:54:37 | |
And I got the part. | 0:54:37 | 0:54:39 | |
At the time, they were concerned | 0:54:39 | 0:54:41 | |
because I might be too tall for Woody. | 0:54:41 | 0:54:45 | |
So I got up on stage and we did that back-to-back thing | 0:54:45 | 0:54:48 | |
that kids do at birthday parties, | 0:54:48 | 0:54:50 | |
and we were just about the same height. | 0:54:50 | 0:54:52 | |
And we looked at a number of other women during the week, | 0:54:52 | 0:54:55 | |
but Keaton was in a class by herself. | 0:54:55 | 0:54:59 | |
What I remember about Woody | 0:54:59 | 0:55:00 | |
was that he was short, and he was cute. | 0:55:00 | 0:55:05 | |
And that's what I remembered about Woody on that day, | 0:55:05 | 0:55:08 | |
was just that, "Oh, my God, he is..." | 0:55:08 | 0:55:11 | |
I - you know, I just had a big crush, instantly. | 0:55:11 | 0:55:15 | |
The three of us had a good time together. | 0:55:15 | 0:55:19 | |
We got along very well. We had a lot of fun. | 0:55:19 | 0:55:22 | |
One of the things that I always remember | 0:55:22 | 0:55:24 | |
is that, you know, Woody seemed to have | 0:55:24 | 0:55:26 | |
no discipline onstage. | 0:55:26 | 0:55:27 | |
And he would sometimes do his impression of James Earl Jones | 0:55:27 | 0:55:31 | |
while we were supposed to be doing it during a matinee, | 0:55:31 | 0:55:33 | |
and I would crack up and destroy the scene. | 0:55:33 | 0:55:36 | |
That was always a lot of fun, | 0:55:36 | 0:55:38 | |
and we would hang out and eat dinner together, | 0:55:38 | 0:55:40 | |
and that's how I really got to know him. | 0:55:40 | 0:55:41 | |
My game plan was really to force Woody to like me. | 0:55:41 | 0:55:46 | |
So I was always plotting and scheming about how he could grow | 0:55:46 | 0:55:49 | |
to see me as an attractive woman. | 0:55:49 | 0:55:51 | |
I was always directing my attentions | 0:55:51 | 0:55:53 | |
to "How can I make him like me more?" | 0:55:53 | 0:55:55 | |
Now, tell her she has the most irresistible eyes | 0:55:55 | 0:55:58 | |
you've ever seen. | 0:55:58 | 0:56:00 | |
You have the most eyes | 0:56:03 | 0:56:05 | |
I've ever seen on any person. | 0:56:05 | 0:56:07 | |
Allen, your hand is trembling. | 0:56:07 | 0:56:09 | |
"That's because you're near." | 0:56:09 | 0:56:11 | |
-Pardon me? -Tell her that. | 0:56:11 | 0:56:13 | |
That's because you're near. | 0:56:15 | 0:56:17 | |
LAUGHS | 0:56:17 | 0:56:18 | |
Oh, you really know what to say, don't you? | 0:56:18 | 0:56:21 | |
Now, tell her that you've met a lot of dames, | 0:56:21 | 0:56:24 | |
but she is really something special. | 0:56:24 | 0:56:27 | |
Oh, that she won't believe. | 0:56:27 | 0:56:29 | |
Oh, no? | 0:56:29 | 0:56:31 | |
I have met a lot of dames, | 0:56:33 | 0:56:35 | |
but you are really something special. | 0:56:35 | 0:56:39 | |
-Really? -She bought it. | 0:56:39 | 0:56:42 | |
It was obvious that he was crazy about her, on all levels. | 0:56:42 | 0:56:47 | |
You could see that happening, absolutely, | 0:56:47 | 0:56:50 | |
especially when I stopped being asked to dinner. | 0:56:50 | 0:56:54 | |
She was always beautiful and incredibly gifted. | 0:56:54 | 0:56:57 | |
We went out together, and we lived together for a while. | 0:56:57 | 0:57:01 | |
She's remained a very close friend of mine to this day. | 0:57:01 | 0:57:04 | |
I worked it, you know. | 0:57:04 | 0:57:05 | |
I really worked trying to get him to fall in love with me. | 0:57:05 | 0:57:08 | |
He didn't quite fall in love with me, | 0:57:08 | 0:57:09 | |
but I was around a lot. | 0:57:09 | 0:57:11 | |
And we made a good team. | 0:57:11 | 0:57:13 | |
We were a good team. | 0:57:13 | 0:57:16 | |
David Picker was President, | 0:57:16 | 0:57:18 | |
Arthur Krim, Chairman of the board of United Artists. | 0:57:18 | 0:57:21 | |
And this man came and introduced himself. | 0:57:21 | 0:57:24 | |
It was David Picker. | 0:57:24 | 0:57:26 | |
And he said, "I want Woody to make pictures for my company." | 0:57:26 | 0:57:30 | |
I said, "Great." He said, "What will it take?" | 0:57:30 | 0:57:33 | |
I said, "Put 2 million in a paper bag, | 0:57:33 | 0:57:37 | |
"give it to us and go away, and we'll bring you a picture." | 0:57:37 | 0:57:42 | |
And I said, "And do that three times." | 0:57:42 | 0:57:44 | |
And he said, "You got a deal." | 0:57:44 | 0:57:48 | |
And it was that simple. | 0:57:48 | 0:57:50 | |
Come back, back, back. | 0:57:50 | 0:57:52 | |
More, more, more. Back, back. | 0:57:52 | 0:57:54 | |
CRASH! | 0:57:54 | 0:57:56 | |
I play a character who lives in New York | 0:57:56 | 0:57:58 | |
who works as a tester of products. | 0:57:58 | 0:58:00 | |
I test new products to see if they're safe for the public. | 0:58:00 | 0:58:04 | |
We can show you how you turn it out. | 0:58:04 | 0:58:06 | |
We can show you how you can save money... | 0:58:06 | 0:58:08 | |
Oh, boy, I'd like to do that over. | 0:58:08 | 0:58:10 | |
I go to a Latin American country, | 0:58:10 | 0:58:12 | |
and through a circuitous series of events, | 0:58:12 | 0:58:14 | |
I become the leader of that country during a revolution. | 0:58:14 | 0:58:17 | |
EXPLOSION | 0:58:17 | 0:58:19 | |
And come back to the United States, | 0:58:19 | 0:58:20 | |
bearded and well tanned and ebullient, | 0:58:20 | 0:58:24 | |
and I get into a lot of trouble | 0:58:24 | 0:58:26 | |
with the American government as a result. | 0:58:26 | 0:58:27 | |
I am Mr Hernandez, the official interpreter. | 0:58:27 | 0:58:31 | |
Welcome to the United States. | 0:58:31 | 0:58:33 | |
Welcome to United State. | 0:58:33 | 0:58:35 | |
Thank you. | 0:58:35 | 0:58:36 | |
Thank you. | 0:58:36 | 0:58:37 | |
Did you have a good flight? | 0:58:37 | 0:58:39 | |
Did you have a good flight? | 0:58:39 | 0:58:40 | |
Yes, I did. | 0:58:40 | 0:58:41 | |
Yes, I did. | 0:58:41 | 0:58:43 | |
Woody's love interest in Bananas | 0:58:43 | 0:58:45 | |
was his second ex-wife, Louise Lasser - | 0:58:45 | 0:58:47 | |
a very funny woman. | 0:58:47 | 0:58:50 | |
They were married on Groundhog's Day in 1966, | 0:58:50 | 0:58:53 | |
but by the time they got to making the movie, | 0:58:53 | 0:58:56 | |
they were still friends, | 0:58:56 | 0:58:57 | |
but they had been divorced for some time. | 0:58:57 | 0:58:59 | |
For me, Louise was something that stepped out of a fantasy. | 0:58:59 | 0:59:05 | |
Hi. | 0:59:05 | 0:59:06 | |
'She was a beautiful young girl, very gifted. | 0:59:06 | 0:59:09 | |
'It was just overwhelming to me.' | 0:59:09 | 0:59:12 | |
She was such a captivating figure. | 0:59:12 | 0:59:14 | |
She was very funny. She had a nice laugh. | 0:59:14 | 0:59:16 | |
She was pretty, sexy, | 0:59:16 | 0:59:18 | |
and she, you know, was perfect. | 0:59:18 | 0:59:20 | |
You know, I was just saying to someone the other day | 0:59:20 | 0:59:23 | |
that the Scandinavians seem to have | 0:59:23 | 0:59:25 | |
such an instinctive feel for the human condition. | 0:59:25 | 0:59:27 | |
It's very wise, you know. | 0:59:27 | 0:59:29 | |
That's, I think, pithy. | 0:59:29 | 0:59:31 | |
Oh, well, it was pithy. | 0:59:31 | 0:59:34 | |
It had great pith. | 0:59:34 | 0:59:38 | |
Yeth. Pith. | 0:59:38 | 0:59:41 | |
Pith. | 0:59:41 | 0:59:42 | |
I remember I had periods of time where I couldn't sleep. | 0:59:42 | 0:59:45 | |
And I would get, like, really bored. | 0:59:45 | 0:59:48 | |
I would go crazy, and he would just sleep. | 0:59:48 | 0:59:51 | |
And I would think, "I can't believe this. | 0:59:51 | 0:59:54 | |
"Here, I'm with America's foremost humorist, | 0:59:54 | 1:00:00 | |
"and I can't sleep, and I'm bored," like that. | 1:00:00 | 1:00:03 | |
And I would just nudge him and go, you know, | 1:00:03 | 1:00:06 | |
"Woody, Woody, wake up, I'm bored. | 1:00:06 | 1:00:09 | |
"Say something funny." | 1:00:09 | 1:00:10 | |
We never worked together while we were married, | 1:00:10 | 1:00:13 | |
because we felt that it would ruin the marriage. | 1:00:13 | 1:00:17 | |
LAUGHTER | 1:00:17 | 1:00:20 | |
So, now that we've been divorced for a year, | 1:00:20 | 1:00:23 | |
we felt that we could work together, | 1:00:23 | 1:00:26 | |
and, of course, I got her much cheaper. | 1:00:26 | 1:00:27 | |
MOANING I love you. I love you. | 1:00:27 | 1:00:30 | |
Oh, say it in French. | 1:00:30 | 1:00:31 | |
-Oh, please, say it in French. -I don't know French. | 1:00:31 | 1:00:34 | |
Oh, please? Please? | 1:00:34 | 1:00:36 | |
-What about Hebrew? -Oh. | 1:00:36 | 1:00:38 | |
If I had to pick, personally, the funniest one, | 1:00:38 | 1:00:42 | |
I would pick Bananas. | 1:00:42 | 1:00:44 | |
CHEERS AND APPLAUSE | 1:00:44 | 1:00:46 | |
Ready, aim, fire! | 1:00:46 | 1:00:49 | |
GUNSHOT | 1:00:49 | 1:00:52 | |
Oh, let's see. | 1:00:52 | 1:00:53 | |
21. Who has 21? | 1:00:53 | 1:00:54 | |
Ready, aim, fire! | 1:01:00 | 1:01:03 | |
In December, I'm going to go into production with a film that I wrote | 1:01:03 | 1:01:06 | |
based on Dr Reuben's book, | 1:01:06 | 1:01:08 | |
Everything You Always Wanted To Know About Sex, But Were Afraid To Ask. | 1:01:08 | 1:01:12 | |
I've written a script that can only be described | 1:01:12 | 1:01:14 | |
as Rabelaisian and... | 1:01:14 | 1:01:16 | |
What would be another word for it? | 1:01:16 | 1:01:18 | |
Uh, trashy. LAUGHTER | 1:01:18 | 1:01:21 | |
It's an exploration of the ins | 1:01:21 | 1:01:23 | |
and outs, every little nook | 1:01:23 | 1:01:25 | |
and cranny of our sexual motivations | 1:01:25 | 1:01:29 | |
and interests, and graphically illustrated. | 1:01:29 | 1:01:32 | |
It would be sexual relations | 1:01:32 | 1:01:34 | |
if the Marx Brothers were doing them. | 1:01:34 | 1:01:35 | |
Hey! We're going to make babies! | 1:01:35 | 1:01:39 | |
INDISTINCT MURMURING | 1:01:40 | 1:01:43 | |
Here we go again! | 1:01:43 | 1:01:44 | |
I'm not going out there! | 1:01:44 | 1:01:46 | |
I'm not going to get shot out of that thing. | 1:01:46 | 1:01:48 | |
What if he's masturbating? | 1:01:48 | 1:01:49 | |
I'm liable to wind up on the ceiling. | 1:01:49 | 1:01:51 | |
No! | 1:01:51 | 1:01:52 | |
But in retrospect, I don't think it was a very good idea, | 1:01:52 | 1:01:55 | |
and would not do it again. | 1:01:55 | 1:01:57 | |
If I had it to do over, would not do it again. | 1:01:57 | 1:01:58 | |
Woody Allen was building a fan base at this time | 1:01:58 | 1:02:01 | |
in the '70s, but he never became, | 1:02:01 | 1:02:03 | |
you know, a huge box office attraction. | 1:02:03 | 1:02:06 | |
But he was clever. | 1:02:06 | 1:02:07 | |
He made his films economically, | 1:02:07 | 1:02:09 | |
he didn't pay himself very much at all, | 1:02:09 | 1:02:12 | |
if anything, and he adopted the philosophy | 1:02:12 | 1:02:15 | |
that if he made the films economically | 1:02:15 | 1:02:17 | |
and they made even one dollar, | 1:02:17 | 1:02:18 | |
he'd be given the go-ahead to make another film. | 1:02:18 | 1:02:21 | |
You know, he's not everyone's taste, | 1:02:21 | 1:02:23 | |
and never was. | 1:02:23 | 1:02:24 | |
It's one thing to be appreciated down in the Village | 1:02:24 | 1:02:26 | |
at the Bitter End and another across the country. | 1:02:26 | 1:02:29 | |
My working with him professionally | 1:02:29 | 1:02:30 | |
in being a producer, it still amazes me lots of times | 1:02:30 | 1:02:34 | |
when people recognise him or know his name, | 1:02:34 | 1:02:37 | |
because to me he was always my brother. | 1:02:37 | 1:02:40 | |
No, I think she looks good in the clothes. | 1:02:40 | 1:02:42 | |
I think this is - this is really good. | 1:02:42 | 1:02:43 | |
It looks nice. | 1:02:43 | 1:02:45 | |
When I was born, Woody was eight years old. | 1:02:45 | 1:02:47 | |
You know, he was a very devoted brother. | 1:02:47 | 1:02:50 | |
Very - we were always very close, | 1:02:50 | 1:02:52 | |
you know, and I idolised him. | 1:02:52 | 1:02:53 | |
She was just a cute little baby girl. | 1:02:53 | 1:02:56 | |
There was no sense of competition or anything. | 1:02:56 | 1:02:58 | |
She became a very good friend of mine | 1:02:58 | 1:03:00 | |
right away and I got along with her swimmingly. | 1:03:00 | 1:03:05 | |
You were very good to Letty. | 1:03:05 | 1:03:07 | |
You - when she went to school, | 1:03:07 | 1:03:09 | |
you used to take her to kindergarten and bring her home. | 1:03:09 | 1:03:11 | |
That was your baby sister, you adored her. | 1:03:11 | 1:03:13 | |
He would do a magic act, | 1:03:13 | 1:03:15 | |
and he put her in the audience as his shill. | 1:03:15 | 1:03:20 | |
She was, like, three years old. | 1:03:20 | 1:03:21 | |
So he would do something and she had to say, | 1:03:21 | 1:03:23 | |
"Look at his right hand. Look at his right hand." | 1:03:23 | 1:03:26 | |
Cos it would be the left, right? Like that. | 1:03:26 | 1:03:28 | |
He felt that he wanted | 1:03:28 | 1:03:30 | |
to expose her to good things | 1:03:30 | 1:03:33 | |
and he would just take her all around. | 1:03:33 | 1:03:36 | |
I always found that very touching. | 1:03:36 | 1:03:39 | |
There's something about that. | 1:03:39 | 1:03:40 | |
We were in the same - at PS99 - | 1:03:40 | 1:03:43 | |
the same school a short time | 1:03:43 | 1:03:44 | |
because he was eight years older than me. | 1:03:44 | 1:03:46 | |
We'd sneak off and play hooky with any number of people. | 1:03:46 | 1:03:49 | |
We used to go to the movies in Manhattan. | 1:03:49 | 1:03:53 | |
That was one of my great joys in life. | 1:03:53 | 1:03:57 | |
I was aware of some of his truancy. | 1:03:57 | 1:03:59 | |
I knew because I had been warned by Woody | 1:03:59 | 1:04:03 | |
that when Mrs Fletcher, the principal, | 1:04:03 | 1:04:04 | |
came to the class and would say, | 1:04:04 | 1:04:06 | |
"Letty Konigsberg, is your mother at home?" | 1:04:06 | 1:04:09 | |
I would know to say, "No, I'm sorry, she's not at home." | 1:04:09 | 1:04:12 | |
I don't have good things to say about school. | 1:04:16 | 1:04:20 | |
You know, I was the world's worst student. | 1:04:20 | 1:04:22 | |
I hated school with a passion, to this day. | 1:04:22 | 1:04:26 | |
And when I think back on it, it was a curse. | 1:04:26 | 1:04:29 | |
When I got older, the neighbourhood got tougher. | 1:04:29 | 1:04:33 | |
A kid tried to run me over in here, | 1:04:33 | 1:04:35 | |
and I was playing ball and he drove his car | 1:04:35 | 1:04:38 | |
fast right in and tried to hit me with it. | 1:04:38 | 1:04:41 | |
And that iron thing was not over there, | 1:04:41 | 1:04:43 | |
and I was able to get into that little pocket. | 1:04:43 | 1:04:46 | |
So he couldn't get me with the car, | 1:04:46 | 1:04:49 | |
but he came real close. | 1:04:49 | 1:04:51 | |
Woody had disdain for school. | 1:04:51 | 1:04:53 | |
The teachers were not nice in those days. | 1:04:53 | 1:04:56 | |
They were very anti-Semitic. | 1:04:56 | 1:04:57 | |
They were almost all Gentiles, and he wasn't your best student. | 1:04:57 | 1:05:01 | |
So, you know, he was not treated nicely | 1:05:01 | 1:05:05 | |
and he had no regard for it, he didn't care. | 1:05:05 | 1:05:07 | |
So from their point of view, | 1:05:07 | 1:05:10 | |
he wasn't interested in what they were interested in. | 1:05:10 | 1:05:12 | |
We used to write compositions in class, | 1:05:12 | 1:05:16 | |
and I always wrote what I thought at the time | 1:05:16 | 1:05:18 | |
were amusing ones. | 1:05:18 | 1:05:20 | |
I was writing about this girl | 1:05:20 | 1:05:22 | |
and I made one standard joke about her. | 1:05:22 | 1:05:26 | |
You know, she had an hourglass figure | 1:05:26 | 1:05:28 | |
and I wanted to play in the sand, | 1:05:28 | 1:05:29 | |
and you can't believe the fuss that they made. | 1:05:29 | 1:05:34 | |
Ugh! he kissed me! He kissed me! Yecch! | 1:05:34 | 1:05:37 | |
That's the second time this month. Step up here. | 1:05:37 | 1:05:40 | |
-What did I do? -Step up here! | 1:05:40 | 1:05:42 | |
-What did I do? -You should be ashamed of yourself! | 1:05:42 | 1:05:45 | |
Why? I was just expressing a healthy sexual curiosity. | 1:05:45 | 1:05:48 | |
Six-year-old boys don't have girls on their minds. | 1:05:48 | 1:05:51 | |
-I did. -For God's sakes, Alvy, | 1:05:51 | 1:05:54 | |
even Freud speaks of a latency period. | 1:05:54 | 1:05:56 | |
Well, I never had a latency period. | 1:05:56 | 1:05:58 | |
I can't help it. | 1:05:58 | 1:06:00 | |
This was the front of the school, | 1:06:00 | 1:06:02 | |
Public School 99, | 1:06:02 | 1:06:04 | |
Isaac Asimov School for Science and Literature. | 1:06:04 | 1:06:06 | |
And it's ironic, cos years later, | 1:06:06 | 1:06:08 | |
Asimov was a wonderful guy | 1:06:08 | 1:06:11 | |
and Marshall Brickman and I sent him the script of Sleeper | 1:06:11 | 1:06:15 | |
before we did the movie and said, | 1:06:15 | 1:06:17 | |
"Is there anything in here that we should be alerted to | 1:06:17 | 1:06:20 | |
"that doesn't strike you as real, or..." | 1:06:20 | 1:06:23 | |
And he read it for us and said, | 1:06:23 | 1:06:24 | |
"No, no, it's very good," and it was very helpful. | 1:06:24 | 1:06:26 | |
Hello. I'm Rags. Woof. Woof. | 1:06:26 | 1:06:29 | |
Is he housebroken, or will he be leaving | 1:06:29 | 1:06:30 | |
little batteries all over the floor? | 1:06:30 | 1:06:32 | |
By the way, Sleeper is | 1:06:32 | 1:06:34 | |
the first reference I ever remember to cloning. | 1:06:34 | 1:06:36 | |
Right. At that time - that's why I explained it | 1:06:36 | 1:06:38 | |
in the movie, cos people didn't know | 1:06:38 | 1:06:40 | |
what cloning was then. They had no idea. | 1:06:40 | 1:06:42 | |
Now, it's, you know, everybody clones. | 1:06:42 | 1:06:44 | |
LAUGHS | 1:06:44 | 1:06:46 | |
One day, I - I was | 1:06:46 | 1:06:47 | |
walking down the street and thought, | 1:06:47 | 1:06:49 | |
"Gosh, it would be really funny to do a movie | 1:06:49 | 1:06:51 | |
"where I get frozen and wake up in the future." | 1:06:51 | 1:06:54 | |
I'm a clarinet player in 1973, | 1:06:54 | 1:06:56 | |
I go into the hospital for a lousy operation, | 1:06:56 | 1:06:58 | |
I wake up 200 years later and I'm Flash Gordon. | 1:06:58 | 1:07:01 | |
My first thought was that it would be a three-hour film, a two-parter. | 1:07:01 | 1:07:05 | |
The first half before the intermission | 1:07:05 | 1:07:07 | |
was going to be this guy's life in New York, contemporary. | 1:07:07 | 1:07:11 | |
And at the end of the hour, the hour and a half, | 1:07:11 | 1:07:13 | |
I would fall into a vat of, you know, | 1:07:13 | 1:07:16 | |
the cryogenic vat and get frozen. | 1:07:16 | 1:07:18 | |
And then there was going to be an intermission | 1:07:18 | 1:07:20 | |
where people go out and buy popcorn. | 1:07:20 | 1:07:22 | |
And when they'd come in for the second half, | 1:07:22 | 1:07:24 | |
we'd be totally in the future. | 1:07:24 | 1:07:26 | |
We'd be 200 years in the future. | 1:07:26 | 1:07:28 | |
And we very soon were disabused of that | 1:07:28 | 1:07:29 | |
for a lot of reasons. | 1:07:29 | 1:07:31 | |
It was such a massive undertaking | 1:07:31 | 1:07:34 | |
that I said, you know, forget it. | 1:07:34 | 1:07:37 | |
We'll just do the futuristic part of it. | 1:07:37 | 1:07:39 | |
Can I help you? | 1:07:42 | 1:07:44 | |
Would you change his head for me, please? | 1:07:44 | 1:07:46 | |
Something a little more aesthetic. | 1:07:46 | 1:07:48 | |
You got room in there for another head change? | 1:07:48 | 1:07:49 | |
Yeah. Sure. | 1:07:49 | 1:07:51 | |
Another ploy that - | 1:07:55 | 1:07:57 | |
that interested me in that was I wanted to do | 1:07:57 | 1:07:59 | |
something where I woke up in a society | 1:07:59 | 1:08:02 | |
where nobody spoke and I would have had to | 1:08:02 | 1:08:04 | |
have played the whole film as a fugitive, but silent. | 1:08:04 | 1:08:08 | |
And it would've given me an excuse to make | 1:08:08 | 1:08:11 | |
a silent comedy without actually going | 1:08:11 | 1:08:13 | |
and doing a throwback. | 1:08:13 | 1:08:15 | |
We wanted to do a movie without any dialogue. | 1:08:15 | 1:08:18 | |
A very, very stupid idea. | 1:08:18 | 1:08:22 | |
And then we realised that our strong suit | 1:08:22 | 1:08:25 | |
was actually dialogue. | 1:08:25 | 1:08:27 | |
What's it feel like to be dead for 200 years? | 1:08:27 | 1:08:31 | |
It's like spending a weekend in Beverly Hills. | 1:08:31 | 1:08:34 | |
Some of the idea of doing physical comedy | 1:08:34 | 1:08:37 | |
did remain. | 1:08:37 | 1:08:39 | |
There are three or four sequences that are - | 1:08:39 | 1:08:41 | |
you know, there's one with the little helicopter backpack. | 1:08:41 | 1:08:45 | |
Of course, there's that one sequence with the giant banana. | 1:08:48 | 1:08:51 | |
Oh, my God. | 1:09:06 | 1:09:07 | |
I beat a man insensible with a strawberry. | 1:09:07 | 1:09:10 | |
Is he easy to break up? | 1:09:10 | 1:09:13 | |
No. Not, not - but when he does, that's it. | 1:09:13 | 1:09:16 | |
I mean, you know, once he starts laughing, | 1:09:16 | 1:09:17 | |
then he just keeps laughing. | 1:09:17 | 1:09:19 | |
OK. Let's go. | 1:09:19 | 1:09:21 | |
All right, here we go. | 1:09:21 | 1:09:23 | |
'Keaton makes me laugh probably | 1:09:23 | 1:09:25 | |
'more than any other person, because she's so funny.' | 1:09:25 | 1:09:29 | |
And action! | 1:09:29 | 1:09:31 | |
When we were doing Sleeper they were reviving me | 1:09:31 | 1:09:35 | |
by trying to recreate my home life. | 1:09:35 | 1:09:38 | |
This was some psychological ploy. | 1:09:38 | 1:09:40 | |
But Keaton, playing my mother, | 1:09:40 | 1:09:43 | |
was just so funny to me that I couldn't - | 1:09:43 | 1:09:47 | |
I couldn't act the scene with her. | 1:09:47 | 1:09:49 | |
Nu, what are you standing there? | 1:09:49 | 1:09:51 | |
Come in! Your food is getting cold! | 1:09:51 | 1:09:54 | |
LAUGHING I can't... | 1:09:54 | 1:09:56 | |
Miles, I cooked your favourite, | 1:09:57 | 1:10:00 | |
a nice bowl of hot seltzer water. | 1:10:00 | 1:10:02 | |
LAUGHS | 1:10:04 | 1:10:06 | |
'I mean, I just couldn't do it. | 1:10:10 | 1:10:12 | |
'I tried and I tried and I tried.' | 1:10:12 | 1:10:14 | |
Sorry. LAUGHTER | 1:10:14 | 1:10:16 | |
'I'd suddenly be looking at her | 1:10:16 | 1:10:18 | |
'and she'd be looking up at me and I couldn't stop laughing. | 1:10:18 | 1:10:22 | |
'I would just not be able to stop.' | 1:10:22 | 1:10:26 | |
Nu, what are you standing there? | 1:10:26 | 1:10:28 | |
Come in! | 1:10:28 | 1:10:29 | |
All right, let's go on to something else. | 1:10:29 | 1:10:31 | |
I obviously can't do this. | 1:10:31 | 1:10:33 | |
'I recall, very early, being taken to a Disney film. | 1:10:33 | 1:10:36 | |
'I think it was Snow White.' | 1:10:36 | 1:10:38 | |
I remember bolting out of my seat | 1:10:38 | 1:10:40 | |
to try and run up the aisle and touch the screen | 1:10:40 | 1:10:43 | |
cos I was so fascinated with what it was. | 1:10:43 | 1:10:46 | |
Because, you know, when I was a kid, | 1:10:46 | 1:10:48 | |
we didn't - we had no idea | 1:10:48 | 1:10:51 | |
what that process was. | 1:10:51 | 1:10:53 | |
And so I would sit and a kid next to me in class would say, | 1:10:53 | 1:10:56 | |
"I was at the movie theatre, you know, on Saturday, | 1:10:56 | 1:11:00 | |
"and I finished my Raisinets and I made a spitball | 1:11:00 | 1:11:04 | |
"out of my cardboard box, you know, | 1:11:04 | 1:11:07 | |
"with a piece of my cardboard box, | 1:11:07 | 1:11:09 | |
"and I threw the spitball up and hit the screen, | 1:11:09 | 1:11:11 | |
"and when it hit the screen, it burst into flame." | 1:11:11 | 1:11:13 | |
So I said, "No kidding, really?" | 1:11:13 | 1:11:16 | |
And, you know, and I wanted to - | 1:11:16 | 1:11:18 | |
I wanted to find out what was - what that process was. | 1:11:18 | 1:11:21 | |
And there was a movie theatre here | 1:11:25 | 1:11:29 | |
and I used the name of it in Purple Rose. | 1:11:29 | 1:11:33 | |
It was called the Jewel. | 1:11:33 | 1:11:34 | |
And the Jewel was one of the first movie houses | 1:11:34 | 1:11:38 | |
in the neighbourhood to show foreign films. | 1:11:38 | 1:11:40 | |
I saw my first Ingmar Bergman film there. | 1:11:40 | 1:11:42 | |
And it was right around here - | 1:11:42 | 1:11:45 | |
I think it was on the next block. | 1:11:45 | 1:11:47 | |
Could this have been it? | 1:11:47 | 1:11:48 | |
Maybe this was it. | 1:11:48 | 1:11:50 | |
Maybe this was it. | 1:11:50 | 1:11:52 | |
That would have been the Jewel. | 1:11:55 | 1:11:57 | |
I lived in Brooklyn in this repressed era. | 1:11:57 | 1:12:01 | |
There was a Bergman film playing in the neighbourhood | 1:12:01 | 1:12:03 | |
with Harriet Andersson. | 1:12:03 | 1:12:05 | |
It was Summer With Monika. | 1:12:05 | 1:12:07 | |
And she was allegedly naked in the film. | 1:12:07 | 1:12:09 | |
So I beat a quick path | 1:12:09 | 1:12:11 | |
to the door and I went to see that film | 1:12:11 | 1:12:14 | |
just so I could see a woman without her clothes on. | 1:12:14 | 1:12:17 | |
And it was a fabulous movie apart from the nudity. | 1:12:17 | 1:12:20 | |
Then a few years later, | 1:12:20 | 1:12:23 | |
they showed The Seventh Seal | 1:12:23 | 1:12:25 | |
and Wild Strawberries and The Magician. | 1:12:25 | 1:12:28 | |
I thought that it's pointless for me | 1:12:39 | 1:12:41 | |
to work any more because no-one will ever | 1:12:41 | 1:12:43 | |
be able to do anything better than this. | 1:12:43 | 1:12:46 | |
Bergman, you know, had just reached the limits | 1:12:46 | 1:12:50 | |
of what you could do in film, | 1:12:50 | 1:12:51 | |
and there was nowhere else to go. | 1:12:51 | 1:12:53 | |
So I found myself | 1:12:53 | 1:12:54 | |
in an odd position where I was | 1:12:54 | 1:12:57 | |
influenced by Groucho Marx | 1:12:57 | 1:12:59 | |
and Bob Hope and Ingmar Bergman. | 1:12:59 | 1:13:02 | |
I mean, there was no rationality to it. | 1:13:02 | 1:13:05 | |
And so you would get a film like Love And Death | 1:13:05 | 1:13:08 | |
for example, which was a film that has | 1:13:08 | 1:13:10 | |
a Bergman influence | 1:13:10 | 1:13:12 | |
but is so clearly a comic film. | 1:13:12 | 1:13:15 | |
Boris! Boris, what happened? | 1:13:15 | 1:13:18 | |
I got screwed. | 1:13:18 | 1:13:20 | |
-How? -I don't know. | 1:13:20 | 1:13:22 | |
Some vision came and said that | 1:13:22 | 1:13:23 | |
I was going to get pardoned, and they shot me. | 1:13:23 | 1:13:25 | |
You were my one great love! | 1:13:25 | 1:13:28 | |
Oh, thank you very much. I appreciate that. | 1:13:28 | 1:13:30 | |
Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm dead. | 1:13:30 | 1:13:32 | |
'And so I was kicking around my house | 1:13:32 | 1:13:34 | |
'looking for something to do,' | 1:13:34 | 1:13:36 | |
and I just happened to see | 1:13:36 | 1:13:37 | |
a Russian history book on my shelf. | 1:13:37 | 1:13:39 | |
I thought, "Gee, it would be funny to do a film | 1:13:39 | 1:13:43 | |
"based on all that Russian literature | 1:13:43 | 1:13:45 | |
"and all those Russian cliches." | 1:13:45 | 1:13:47 | |
MAN WHISTLES | 1:13:47 | 1:13:49 | |
You know, I've always had a great love | 1:13:49 | 1:13:51 | |
of heavy literature and heavy themes in general. | 1:13:51 | 1:13:54 | |
I'm interested and attracted to them | 1:13:59 | 1:14:01 | |
and also find them very funny. | 1:14:01 | 1:14:03 | |
Non-existence, | 1:14:03 | 1:14:06 | |
black emptiness. | 1:14:06 | 1:14:09 | |
What did you say? | 1:14:09 | 1:14:10 | |
Oh, I was - I was just planning my future. | 1:14:10 | 1:14:13 | |
And I thought it was an area where I could then | 1:14:13 | 1:14:15 | |
get in a lot of subject matter that I like to talk about, | 1:14:15 | 1:14:18 | |
philosophical themes and death and longing, | 1:14:18 | 1:14:21 | |
and then I thought it'd be fun to do that and, you know, | 1:14:21 | 1:14:24 | |
I thought I'd do a big cartoon film about it | 1:14:24 | 1:14:26 | |
and try to make it as funny as I could make it at the time. | 1:14:26 | 1:14:30 | |
Boy, this - this army cooking will get you every time. | 1:14:32 | 1:14:35 | |
Oh, God is testing us. | 1:14:35 | 1:14:38 | |
If he's going to test us, | 1:14:39 | 1:14:40 | |
why doesn't he give us a written? | 1:14:40 | 1:14:42 | |
Though I do feel that | 1:14:42 | 1:14:44 | |
the first group of four or five films | 1:14:44 | 1:14:46 | |
that I made were funny for the most part, | 1:14:46 | 1:14:49 | |
that one could say | 1:14:49 | 1:14:51 | |
that they were essentially trivial and be right. | 1:14:51 | 1:14:54 | |
LAUGHS | 1:14:54 | 1:14:57 | |
In Love And Death, | 1:14:57 | 1:14:58 | |
you could see the influence of Bob Hope, | 1:14:58 | 1:15:00 | |
because you see physical cowardice | 1:15:00 | 1:15:02 | |
in the teeth of warfare. | 1:15:02 | 1:15:04 | |
That's a strong suit of Bob Hope's, and Woody is all over that | 1:15:04 | 1:15:06 | |
in Love And Death. | 1:15:06 | 1:15:07 | |
If you so much as come near the Countess, | 1:15:07 | 1:15:09 | |
I'll see that you never see the light of day again. | 1:15:09 | 1:15:12 | |
If a man said that to me, I'd break his neck. | 1:15:12 | 1:15:15 | |
I am a man. | 1:15:15 | 1:15:16 | |
Well, I mean a much shorter man. | 1:15:16 | 1:15:20 | |
CHUCKLES NERVOUSLY | 1:15:20 | 1:15:22 | |
Bob Hope was a big influence on me. | 1:15:22 | 1:15:26 | |
I can see it all over me in films. | 1:15:26 | 1:15:28 | |
This man is Monsieur Beaucaire, a common barber. | 1:15:28 | 1:15:32 | |
Are you going to accept that? | 1:15:32 | 1:15:34 | |
Well, a man's entitled to an opinion. | 1:15:34 | 1:15:36 | |
Slap him back. | 1:15:36 | 1:15:37 | |
You're lucky I haven't got a sword. | 1:15:40 | 1:15:41 | |
Hmm. | 1:15:41 | 1:15:43 | |
You keep out of this. | 1:15:43 | 1:15:45 | |
'I would get into his suit, so to speak.' | 1:15:45 | 1:15:47 | |
But when I do him and he does him, | 1:15:47 | 1:15:49 | |
there is the world of difference. | 1:15:49 | 1:15:51 | |
'I do, you know, a clumsy version.' | 1:15:51 | 1:15:55 | |
How do you like it? | 1:15:55 | 1:15:57 | |
SIGHS It's all right. | 1:15:57 | 1:15:58 | |
I'd prefer something sexy, but... | 1:15:58 | 1:16:01 | |
Would you like some wine, | 1:16:01 | 1:16:04 | |
something to put you in the mood? | 1:16:04 | 1:16:07 | |
Oh, I've been in the mood since the late 1700s. | 1:16:07 | 1:16:11 | |
It was a tough movie to make. | 1:16:11 | 1:16:12 | |
I mean, it was cold and laborious | 1:16:12 | 1:16:15 | |
and, you know, very hard work, I found, | 1:16:15 | 1:16:19 | |
not easy, but fun to write. | 1:16:19 | 1:16:22 | |
But if there is no God, well, then life has no meaning. | 1:16:22 | 1:16:24 | |
Why go on living? Why not just commit suicide? | 1:16:24 | 1:16:26 | |
Well, let's not get hysterical. | 1:16:26 | 1:16:28 | |
I could be wrong. | 1:16:28 | 1:16:30 | |
I'd hate to blow my brains out | 1:16:30 | 1:16:31 | |
and then read in the papers they found something. | 1:16:31 | 1:16:33 | |
It's really exciting to see the development | 1:16:33 | 1:16:37 | |
of Woody Allen from writing stand-up, | 1:16:37 | 1:16:40 | |
monologue, talk show, | 1:16:40 | 1:16:42 | |
Bananas, Sleeper, to the filmmaker. | 1:16:42 | 1:16:45 | |
I'm not sure I quickly perceived the importance of Annie Hall | 1:16:45 | 1:16:49 | |
in terms of being a departure from | 1:16:49 | 1:16:51 | |
stuff he'd done before, but I knew that we were | 1:16:51 | 1:16:54 | |
on to something special seeing that film. | 1:16:54 | 1:16:56 | |
Yeah, everybody did. | 1:16:56 | 1:16:59 | |
I remember when Annie Hall came out, | 1:16:59 | 1:17:01 | |
there was this kind of buzz in New York | 1:17:01 | 1:17:04 | |
that was electrifying. | 1:17:04 | 1:17:06 | |
I hadn't seen the movie, but it almost frightened me, | 1:17:06 | 1:17:09 | |
the way my uncle told me, | 1:17:09 | 1:17:10 | |
"Don't go see House Of Wax in 3D." | 1:17:10 | 1:17:13 | |
You know, it was like, "What?" | 1:17:13 | 1:17:15 | |
You know, it was like some kind of | 1:17:15 | 1:17:17 | |
earth-changing event was taking place. | 1:17:17 | 1:17:19 | |
Until Annie Hall, | 1:17:19 | 1:17:21 | |
I had been interested only in making the audience laugh. | 1:17:21 | 1:17:26 | |
And there were many people around me | 1:17:26 | 1:17:28 | |
that said, "Why do you want to do | 1:17:28 | 1:17:30 | |
"a picture like Annie Hall for? | 1:17:30 | 1:17:31 | |
"You know, you can make audiences laugh | 1:17:31 | 1:17:34 | |
"and be funny, and my friends and I, | 1:17:34 | 1:17:36 | |
"we all much would rather see a Bananas | 1:17:36 | 1:17:39 | |
"or Love And Death." | 1:17:39 | 1:17:41 | |
And I felt, I'll sacrifice some of the laughs | 1:17:41 | 1:17:47 | |
for a story | 1:17:47 | 1:17:49 | |
about human beings, and they will | 1:17:49 | 1:17:52 | |
get involved in the story | 1:17:52 | 1:17:54 | |
in a way that they had not ever | 1:17:54 | 1:17:57 | |
been involved before, | 1:17:57 | 1:17:59 | |
and it would be richer | 1:17:59 | 1:18:01 | |
and it would be a better experience for them | 1:18:01 | 1:18:02 | |
and fun for me to try, and the worst that can happen | 1:18:02 | 1:18:06 | |
'is I'll make a fool of myself.' | 1:18:06 | 1:18:08 | |
Yeah, cos, you know, I'm obsessed with death, I think. | 1:18:08 | 1:18:11 | |
It's a big subject with me, yeah. | 1:18:11 | 1:18:12 | |
I have a very pessimistic view of life. | 1:18:12 | 1:18:14 | |
You should know this about me if we're going to go out. | 1:18:14 | 1:18:17 | |
You know, I just feel that life is divided up | 1:18:17 | 1:18:18 | |
into the horrible and the miserable. | 1:18:18 | 1:18:20 | |
Those are the two categories, you know? | 1:18:20 | 1:18:22 | |
The horrible would be like, um, | 1:18:22 | 1:18:23 | |
I don't know, terminal cases, you know, | 1:18:23 | 1:18:25 | |
and blind people, cripples. | 1:18:25 | 1:18:27 | |
I don't know how they get through life. | 1:18:27 | 1:18:28 | |
It's amazing to me, you know, | 1:18:28 | 1:18:30 | |
and the miserable is everyone else, that's - | 1:18:30 | 1:18:31 | |
so when you go through life, you should be thankful | 1:18:31 | 1:18:34 | |
that you're miserable, because that's - | 1:18:34 | 1:18:35 | |
you're very lucky to be miserable. | 1:18:35 | 1:18:37 | |
It was the first time that I'd read | 1:18:37 | 1:18:40 | |
anything of Woody's that was so | 1:18:40 | 1:18:41 | |
personally touching. | 1:18:41 | 1:18:43 | |
It was a love story, | 1:18:43 | 1:18:44 | |
and it was a shock to read it, | 1:18:44 | 1:18:47 | |
and I just thought, | 1:18:47 | 1:18:49 | |
"This is wonderful." | 1:18:49 | 1:18:50 | |
And it was - it was an expression | 1:18:50 | 1:18:52 | |
of such tremendous growth for Woody, that script. | 1:18:52 | 1:18:56 | |
UA had always prided itself | 1:18:56 | 1:18:58 | |
on being very director- and writer-friendly | 1:18:58 | 1:19:00 | |
rather than star-friendly. | 1:19:00 | 1:19:02 | |
Arthur Krim was Cosimo de' Medici. | 1:19:02 | 1:19:04 | |
He had knighted Woody as a knight of the church, | 1:19:04 | 1:19:08 | |
and Arthur Krim would sit down at a table, | 1:19:08 | 1:19:11 | |
look you in the eye, decide how crazy you were. | 1:19:11 | 1:19:14 | |
He would ask you how much money you needed to make the movie. | 1:19:14 | 1:19:18 | |
You would tell him, he would give you | 1:19:18 | 1:19:20 | |
a little bit less, because it - | 1:19:20 | 1:19:21 | |
you know, it builds character. | 1:19:21 | 1:19:24 | |
They watched the budgets very carefully | 1:19:24 | 1:19:26 | |
and they were very supportive and they had an amazing run, | 1:19:26 | 1:19:29 | |
you know, because of that. | 1:19:29 | 1:19:31 | |
There might have been something that occurred to Woody | 1:19:31 | 1:19:34 | |
while we were making that film, | 1:19:34 | 1:19:36 | |
that, "Now I should start making films | 1:19:36 | 1:19:38 | |
"a little more mature, that aren't just gags | 1:19:38 | 1:19:41 | |
"and vignettes thrown together. | 1:19:41 | 1:19:43 | |
"Let's start making them, you know, | 1:19:43 | 1:19:45 | |
"a little more cohesive." | 1:19:45 | 1:19:47 | |
And so I think there was | 1:19:47 | 1:19:49 | |
a conscious effort to put some | 1:19:49 | 1:19:51 | |
real filmmakers together to help achieve this. | 1:19:51 | 1:19:55 | |
At that time, | 1:19:55 | 1:19:57 | |
the most celebrated New York cameraman was Gordon Willis. | 1:19:57 | 1:20:01 | |
And Gordy, who they used to call the Prince Of Darkness - | 1:20:01 | 1:20:04 | |
always went for great darkness - | 1:20:04 | 1:20:08 | |
he did The Godfather. | 1:20:08 | 1:20:11 | |
Everyone had always talked about him | 1:20:11 | 1:20:13 | |
as such a great cinematographer. | 1:20:13 | 1:20:16 | |
Putting Gordon Willis and Woody together was like | 1:20:16 | 1:20:18 | |
a very odd pairing because, you know, Woody was this sort of | 1:20:18 | 1:20:21 | |
loosey-goosey comedian and Gordon was this | 1:20:21 | 1:20:24 | |
very strict, disciplined photographer | 1:20:24 | 1:20:27 | |
who had a controversial reputation | 1:20:27 | 1:20:29 | |
for crankiness, and it just looked like, | 1:20:29 | 1:20:32 | |
you know, "This will never work." | 1:20:32 | 1:20:34 | |
I probably didn't have a good reputation | 1:20:34 | 1:20:37 | |
as Mr Smile, you know, so he thought, | 1:20:37 | 1:20:39 | |
"Gee, I'm getting involved with a monster here." | 1:20:39 | 1:20:43 | |
We hit it off right away. We chatted | 1:20:43 | 1:20:46 | |
and he was very smart and I liked him very much. | 1:20:46 | 1:20:50 | |
You know, it was clear | 1:20:50 | 1:20:51 | |
right away that I had a lot to learn from him | 1:20:51 | 1:20:56 | |
and that he was | 1:20:56 | 1:20:57 | |
a great cinematographer in every way. | 1:20:57 | 1:21:02 | |
Woody did choose Gordon Willis to be the cinematographer, | 1:21:02 | 1:21:05 | |
and for a comedy, that was unheard of. | 1:21:05 | 1:21:08 | |
You didn't have the Prince Of Darkness | 1:21:08 | 1:21:10 | |
be the cinematographer for a comedy. | 1:21:10 | 1:21:13 | |
Nobody could believe it, | 1:21:13 | 1:21:14 | |
and so it was a terrifying prospect, | 1:21:14 | 1:21:17 | |
but Woody took it on, and he made a great choice. | 1:21:17 | 1:21:22 | |
The first shot I ever did with | 1:21:22 | 1:21:24 | |
Gordon Willis in my life, the first scene | 1:21:24 | 1:21:26 | |
that we ever shot in Annie Hall, | 1:21:26 | 1:21:28 | |
was the lobster scene. | 1:21:28 | 1:21:30 | |
-Go for that one. There. -You know what, | 1:21:30 | 1:21:31 | |
maybe we should just call the police, | 1:21:31 | 1:21:32 | |
dial 911. It's the Lobster Squad. | 1:21:32 | 1:21:34 | |
Come on, Alvy, they're only baby ones, for God's sakes. | 1:21:34 | 1:21:37 | |
If they're only babies, then you pick them up. | 1:21:37 | 1:21:39 | |
Oh, all right. All right. All right. | 1:21:39 | 1:21:41 | |
Here. Here you go. | 1:21:41 | 1:21:42 | |
Don't give it to me. Don't! Look! One - | 1:21:42 | 1:21:44 | |
one crawled behind the refrigerator. | 1:21:44 | 1:21:46 | |
It will turn up in our bed at night. | 1:21:46 | 1:21:48 | |
Will you get out of here with that thing? | 1:21:48 | 1:21:50 | |
Jesus! | 1:21:50 | 1:21:51 | |
Talk to them. You speak shellfish. | 1:21:51 | 1:21:54 | |
One of the nice things about working with Woody | 1:21:54 | 1:21:57 | |
over the time that we worked together was it - | 1:21:57 | 1:21:59 | |
more or less like working with your hands in your pockets. | 1:21:59 | 1:22:01 | |
It's very easy, pleasant. | 1:22:01 | 1:22:03 | |
Gordy was the one who said to me, | 1:22:03 | 1:22:06 | |
"When we do the split screen with the shrink" - | 1:22:06 | 1:22:10 | |
I'm with one shrink and she's with another one - | 1:22:10 | 1:22:12 | |
he said, "Don't do a split screen. | 1:22:12 | 1:22:15 | |
"Build it. Build a set with a - with a divider in the middle, | 1:22:15 | 1:22:18 | |
"so you're both live. | 1:22:18 | 1:22:20 | |
"It'll look like a split screen, but it won't be." | 1:22:20 | 1:22:24 | |
That was a revelation for him at that point cos it meant | 1:22:24 | 1:22:26 | |
both actors could do the scene, you know, | 1:22:26 | 1:22:29 | |
without being interrupted with doing | 1:22:29 | 1:22:32 | |
half a scene and then half a scene | 1:22:32 | 1:22:34 | |
and putting it together optically. | 1:22:34 | 1:22:36 | |
And that's what we did. | 1:22:36 | 1:22:38 | |
How often do you sleep together? | 1:22:38 | 1:22:40 | |
Do you have sex often? | 1:22:40 | 1:22:41 | |
Hardly ever. Maybe three times a week. | 1:22:41 | 1:22:43 | |
Constantly. I'd say three times a week. | 1:22:43 | 1:22:46 | |
It was a somewhat precocious film, I think, | 1:22:46 | 1:22:49 | |
because it was - as I recall, | 1:22:49 | 1:22:51 | |
there was a rough cut that was well over two hours. | 1:22:51 | 1:22:54 | |
I thought of it only as - really as a comedy, | 1:22:54 | 1:22:57 | |
you know, and I thought when I was | 1:22:57 | 1:22:59 | |
putting it together originally that it would be fun | 1:22:59 | 1:23:01 | |
for people to see what went on in my mind. | 1:23:01 | 1:23:04 | |
That was going to be the movie. | 1:23:04 | 1:23:06 | |
You were going to see what goes on in his mind, | 1:23:06 | 1:23:08 | |
going from bit to bit without much plot. | 1:23:08 | 1:23:11 | |
It became apparent in the editing room | 1:23:11 | 1:23:14 | |
that the picture was about something else. | 1:23:14 | 1:23:17 | |
The relationship was so strong that nobody | 1:23:17 | 1:23:20 | |
wanted to see what went on in my mind. | 1:23:20 | 1:23:22 | |
They wanted to get back to this story of the two people. | 1:23:22 | 1:23:25 | |
Hi. Hi. | 1:23:25 | 1:23:27 | |
Oh, hi. Hi. | 1:23:27 | 1:23:29 | |
SHE CHUCKLES | 1:23:29 | 1:23:32 | |
Well, | 1:23:32 | 1:23:33 | |
bye. | 1:23:33 | 1:23:36 | |
CHUCKLES | 1:23:36 | 1:23:38 | |
You play very well. | 1:23:38 | 1:23:40 | |
Oh, yeah? So do you. | 1:23:40 | 1:23:42 | |
Oh, God. What a dumb thing to say, right? | 1:23:42 | 1:23:45 | |
I mean, you said, "You play well," | 1:23:45 | 1:23:47 | |
then right away, I have to say, "You play well." | 1:23:47 | 1:23:50 | |
Oh. Oh, God, Annie. | 1:23:50 | 1:23:53 | |
Well... Oh, well. | 1:23:53 | 1:23:54 | |
CHUCKLES | 1:23:54 | 1:23:56 | |
La-di-dah, la-di-dah, la-la. Yeah. | 1:23:56 | 1:23:59 | |
Keaton was so compelling, you know, | 1:23:59 | 1:24:02 | |
that when she wasn't on screen | 1:24:02 | 1:24:04 | |
or the story wasn't about the relationship, | 1:24:04 | 1:24:07 | |
even if she was on screen, you didn't care. | 1:24:07 | 1:24:10 | |
The whole world fell in love with Diane Keaton, | 1:24:10 | 1:24:12 | |
but Woody Allen fell | 1:24:12 | 1:24:14 | |
in love with her first, and he made that contagious. | 1:24:14 | 1:24:15 | |
Hey, listen. Listen. | 1:24:15 | 1:24:17 | |
-What? -Give me a kiss. | 1:24:17 | 1:24:19 | |
-Really? -Yeah. Why not? Because we're just | 1:24:19 | 1:24:20 | |
going to go home later, right? | 1:24:20 | 1:24:22 | |
And there's going to be all that tension, | 1:24:22 | 1:24:23 | |
you know, we never kissed before | 1:24:23 | 1:24:25 | |
and I'll never know when to make the right move | 1:24:25 | 1:24:26 | |
or anything, so we'll kiss now, | 1:24:26 | 1:24:28 | |
we'll get it over with, then we'll go eat, OK? | 1:24:28 | 1:24:29 | |
-Oh. All right. -And we'll digest our food better. | 1:24:29 | 1:24:31 | |
OK. | 1:24:31 | 1:24:33 | |
OK? So now we can digest our food, OK? Yeah. | 1:24:33 | 1:24:36 | |
He was just unfathomable, I think, mainly to my parents | 1:24:36 | 1:24:40 | |
and particularly my grandmother. | 1:24:40 | 1:24:42 | |
You're what Grammy Hall would call a real Jew. | 1:24:42 | 1:24:45 | |
CLEARS THROAT | 1:24:45 | 1:24:47 | |
Thank you. | 1:24:47 | 1:24:49 | |
'There is a Grammy Hall.' | 1:24:49 | 1:24:50 | |
That was - that's Keaton's grandmother, as a matter of fact, | 1:24:50 | 1:24:54 | |
just an elderly lady who lives in California. | 1:24:54 | 1:24:58 | |
She would call him this odd Jew, | 1:24:58 | 1:25:01 | |
but she was a total racist, and so | 1:25:01 | 1:25:03 | |
I wasn't really very proud of her | 1:25:03 | 1:25:06 | |
with regard to that and her attitude about Woody, | 1:25:06 | 1:25:08 | |
and, you know, she'd say things like, | 1:25:08 | 1:25:10 | |
"Oh, yeah, he's just like a Jew." | 1:25:10 | 1:25:11 | |
You know, I mean, that's - that's why he captured | 1:25:11 | 1:25:14 | |
the essence of my family. | 1:25:14 | 1:25:16 | |
Yeah, not - not very pretty. | 1:25:16 | 1:25:19 | |
Annie Hall is the film where | 1:25:19 | 1:25:21 | |
he makes the decision not to lead always with jokes, | 1:25:21 | 1:25:27 | |
though it's packed, packed with great jokes. | 1:25:27 | 1:25:30 | |
You're having an affair with your college professor, | 1:25:30 | 1:25:33 | |
that jerk that teaches that incredible, crap course, | 1:25:33 | 1:25:35 | |
Contemporary Crisis In Western Man. | 1:25:35 | 1:25:37 | |
Existential Motifs In Russian Literature. | 1:25:37 | 1:25:39 | |
You're really close. | 1:25:39 | 1:25:41 | |
What's the difference? It's all mental masturbation. | 1:25:41 | 1:25:42 | |
Now we're finally getting to a subject you know something about. | 1:25:42 | 1:25:45 | |
Hey, don't knock masturbation. It's sex with someone I love. | 1:25:45 | 1:25:48 | |
It's the first film | 1:25:48 | 1:25:49 | |
where it's truly grounded in adult feeling. | 1:25:49 | 1:25:53 | |
This is the one where he thinks, | 1:25:53 | 1:25:54 | |
"I'm going to go with feeling first | 1:25:54 | 1:25:57 | |
"and people first, and the jokes have to | 1:25:57 | 1:25:59 | |
"come out of those people." | 1:25:59 | 1:26:01 | |
And so, you know, it feels like a landmark change. | 1:26:01 | 1:26:03 | |
Let's face it. | 1:26:03 | 1:26:06 | |
You know, I don't think our relationship is working. | 1:26:06 | 1:26:09 | |
I know. A relationship, I think, is like a shark. | 1:26:09 | 1:26:13 | |
You know, it has to constantly move forward or it dies. | 1:26:13 | 1:26:16 | |
And I think what we've got on our hands is a dead shark. | 1:26:16 | 1:26:20 | |
The story he tells is the story of everybody who falls in love | 1:26:20 | 1:26:23 | |
and then falls out of love and goes on, | 1:26:23 | 1:26:28 | |
and that's what makes it so universal | 1:26:28 | 1:26:30 | |
and so meaningful to so many people. | 1:26:30 | 1:26:33 | |
The build-up was such that - that it felt like | 1:26:33 | 1:26:36 | |
a bomb was about to go off in New York that was going to | 1:26:36 | 1:26:40 | |
change the way comedies were made for ever, | 1:26:40 | 1:26:44 | |
and I guess perhaps in a way it did. | 1:26:44 | 1:26:48 | |
It was - it was that kind of movie. | 1:26:48 | 1:26:51 | |
We speak of Annie Hall as a game changer. | 1:26:51 | 1:26:54 | |
It may not have been a game changer for Woody Allen, | 1:26:54 | 1:26:56 | |
because he seems to go where he wants to go, | 1:26:56 | 1:26:58 | |
but it was a game changer for the industry. | 1:26:58 | 1:27:00 | |
I think comedy itself began to be re-evaluated. | 1:27:00 | 1:27:03 | |
Did we get a sense that this was some sort of cultural avalanche? | 1:27:03 | 1:27:07 | |
No. No. | 1:27:07 | 1:27:09 | |
There are subcultures that exist, | 1:27:09 | 1:27:12 | |
and sometimes you hit onto | 1:27:12 | 1:27:13 | |
one of them and you realise | 1:27:13 | 1:27:15 | |
that there's something there that wasn't there, | 1:27:15 | 1:27:17 | |
and I guess there was an audience | 1:27:17 | 1:27:18 | |
ready for this movie. | 1:27:18 | 1:27:20 | |
Hey, how much is this stuff, incidentally? | 1:27:21 | 1:27:23 | |
That's about 2,000 an ounce. | 1:27:23 | 1:27:26 | |
-God. -Really? And what is the kick of it? | 1:27:26 | 1:27:29 | |
Which I never... | 1:27:29 | 1:27:30 | |
SNEEZES | 1:27:31 | 1:27:34 | |
I didn't go to the event because | 1:27:40 | 1:27:43 | |
in the office pools, | 1:27:43 | 1:27:44 | |
Star Wars was the hands-down winner. | 1:27:44 | 1:27:47 | |
Woody said, "I'm not going to go out to the awards, | 1:27:47 | 1:27:50 | |
"because I have the band. | 1:27:50 | 1:27:52 | |
"I have our jazz band on Monday nights." | 1:27:52 | 1:27:54 | |
And I thought, OK, that's a kind of genius. | 1:27:54 | 1:27:56 | |
He's really making a very significant statement | 1:27:56 | 1:27:59 | |
that's going to carry him a long way. | 1:27:59 | 1:28:00 | |
I said, "But I don't have to make a statement. I want to go." | 1:28:00 | 1:28:03 | |
Much to our surprise, we picked up four awards, | 1:28:03 | 1:28:07 | |
which was Original Screenplay, | 1:28:07 | 1:28:09 | |
Best Director for Woody, Best Film, | 1:28:09 | 1:28:12 | |
and Best Actress for Diane. | 1:28:12 | 1:28:14 | |
The next morning, I got up, you know, | 1:28:14 | 1:28:16 | |
I got the New York Times delivered to my apartment, | 1:28:16 | 1:28:18 | |
and I noticed on the front page on the bottom, | 1:28:18 | 1:28:21 | |
it said that "Annie Hall wins four Academy Awards," | 1:28:21 | 1:28:25 | |
so I go, "Oh, that's great." | 1:28:25 | 1:28:27 | |
Somebody at the Jack Rollins office heard | 1:28:27 | 1:28:31 | |
Jack say to Woody, "Woody, are you adamant | 1:28:31 | 1:28:35 | |
"about this idea that you don't want | 1:28:35 | 1:28:37 | |
"'Academy Award-Winning Film,' you don't want that phrase | 1:28:37 | 1:28:41 | |
"in the ads anywhere within a hundred miles of New York?" | 1:28:41 | 1:28:45 | |
And he said, "That's right." | 1:28:45 | 1:28:47 | |
And Jack said, "Could we make it 50, Woody?" | 1:28:47 | 1:28:50 | |
I think what you get in awards is favouritism. | 1:28:52 | 1:28:55 | |
I mean, people can say, | 1:28:55 | 1:28:57 | |
"Oh, my favourite movie was Annie Hall," | 1:28:57 | 1:29:00 | |
but the implication is that it's the best movie, | 1:29:00 | 1:29:03 | |
and I don't think that's possible. | 1:29:03 | 1:29:05 | |
I don't think you can make that judgment. | 1:29:05 | 1:29:07 | |
Except for track, track and field, you know, | 1:29:07 | 1:29:11 | |
where one guy runs and you see that he wins, | 1:29:11 | 1:29:13 | |
then it's OK. | 1:29:13 | 1:29:15 | |
I won those when I was younger, | 1:29:15 | 1:29:16 | |
and those were nice, cos I knew I deserved them. | 1:29:16 | 1:29:21 | |
I would like to, for instance, in films, | 1:29:21 | 1:29:25 | |
do more serious films. I'd like to | 1:29:25 | 1:29:28 | |
not act in them but to write and direct | 1:29:28 | 1:29:31 | |
more serious things. | 1:29:31 | 1:29:32 | |
He had then the opportunity to explore that | 1:29:32 | 1:29:35 | |
in himself as an artist, right? OK. | 1:29:35 | 1:29:38 | |
He took it. Other people wouldn't. | 1:29:38 | 1:29:41 | |
Other people would stay with what | 1:29:41 | 1:29:42 | |
they feel is safer, in a sense. | 1:29:42 | 1:29:44 | |
Not that anything's really safe, | 1:29:44 | 1:29:46 | |
but, I mean, it's territory they feel that | 1:29:46 | 1:29:48 | |
they can excel. | 1:29:48 | 1:29:50 | |
But to push and go further, | 1:29:50 | 1:29:52 | |
that's why he had to do Interiors, to get to that point. | 1:29:52 | 1:29:55 | |
I feel I have been a dedicated husband, | 1:29:55 | 1:29:59 | |
a responsible father, and I haven't regretted anything | 1:29:59 | 1:30:03 | |
I've been called upon to do. | 1:30:03 | 1:30:07 | |
Now, I feel I want to be by myself for a while. | 1:30:07 | 1:30:11 | |
Consequently, I've decided to move out of the house, | 1:30:13 | 1:30:16 | |
but I feel it's something I have to try. | 1:30:16 | 1:30:19 | |
It's a separation, | 1:30:19 | 1:30:21 | |
and I wanted to lay it on the table | 1:30:21 | 1:30:24 | |
in front of everyone so that everything is open | 1:30:24 | 1:30:27 | |
and as direct as possible. | 1:30:27 | 1:30:29 | |
And he had a very good relationship with United Artists, | 1:30:29 | 1:30:32 | |
which, by the way, was the home of independent films. | 1:30:32 | 1:30:36 | |
I was, you know, indulged by them. | 1:30:36 | 1:30:40 | |
They said, "Well, you know, you've earned the right | 1:30:40 | 1:30:42 | |
"to make any film you want to make, so, | 1:30:42 | 1:30:45 | |
"you know, if you want to make a very serious drama, | 1:30:45 | 1:30:51 | |
"go ahead and make one." | 1:30:51 | 1:30:53 | |
I talked with your doctor. | 1:30:53 | 1:30:54 | |
He feels you can handle this. | 1:30:54 | 1:30:56 | |
You talked to Dr Lobel about this behind my back? | 1:30:56 | 1:30:58 | |
Not behind your back. Discreetly. | 1:30:58 | 1:31:00 | |
You discussed this with Dr Lobel behind my back. | 1:31:00 | 1:31:04 | |
It's so humiliating. | 1:31:04 | 1:31:06 | |
Eve, it's your doctor and myself. | 1:31:06 | 1:31:07 | |
Now, how private can one be? | 1:31:07 | 1:31:09 | |
-SIGHS -And he assured you | 1:31:09 | 1:31:11 | |
that I can handle it, is that right? | 1:31:11 | 1:31:13 | |
Oh, how humiliating! | 1:31:13 | 1:31:15 | |
You're not humiliated. | 1:31:15 | 1:31:17 | |
Oh, I just want to die. | 1:31:17 | 1:31:19 | |
Oh, stop that. | 1:31:20 | 1:31:21 | |
-SIGHS -I just hate my life! | 1:31:21 | 1:31:24 | |
GLASS SHATTERS | 1:31:24 | 1:31:27 | |
INDISTINCT ARGUING | 1:31:27 | 1:31:31 | |
'But his desire always had been and has been | 1:31:31 | 1:31:36 | |
'to be taken very seriously.' | 1:31:36 | 1:31:39 | |
And the dark side of him is a very important part of him, | 1:31:39 | 1:31:44 | |
in his work and in him. | 1:31:44 | 1:31:46 | |
And it's his - | 1:31:46 | 1:31:49 | |
it's a great thing and it's a torture. | 1:31:49 | 1:31:51 | |
I put a higher value on the tragic muse | 1:31:51 | 1:31:57 | |
than the comic muse. | 1:31:57 | 1:31:58 | |
I've always felt that tragic writing, | 1:31:58 | 1:32:02 | |
tragic theatre, | 1:32:02 | 1:32:04 | |
tragic film confronts reality head-on and doesn't | 1:32:04 | 1:32:09 | |
satirise it, tease it, kid it, deflect it, | 1:32:09 | 1:32:11 | |
opt out with some kind of a gag at the last minute. | 1:32:11 | 1:32:15 | |
It's harder for me, | 1:32:15 | 1:32:17 | |
I embarrass myself more readily, | 1:32:17 | 1:32:20 | |
but I get more pleasure out of failing in a project | 1:32:20 | 1:32:25 | |
that I am enthused over than in succeeding | 1:32:25 | 1:32:28 | |
in a project that I know I can do well. | 1:32:28 | 1:32:31 | |
After taking a lot of flak for Interiors | 1:32:31 | 1:32:34 | |
being so heavy and dramatic, | 1:32:34 | 1:32:38 | |
he responded, and some people | 1:32:38 | 1:32:40 | |
would say rebounded, with his next film. | 1:32:40 | 1:32:42 | |
Having done Annie Hall, which had a particular kind of look, | 1:32:42 | 1:32:44 | |
we thought, "OK, now, how do we make Manhattan | 1:32:44 | 1:32:48 | |
"be a little more distinctive visually?" | 1:32:48 | 1:32:52 | |
The decision to shoot | 1:32:56 | 1:32:58 | |
Manhattan in black and white really was | 1:32:58 | 1:33:00 | |
Woody's idea, because I think both of us | 1:33:00 | 1:33:04 | |
perceive Manhattan as like a black and white city. | 1:33:04 | 1:33:06 | |
It's stone and concrete and blacktop. | 1:33:06 | 1:33:09 | |
Woody Allen understood something about | 1:33:09 | 1:33:11 | |
black and white that Hollywood had forgotten, | 1:33:11 | 1:33:13 | |
which is that it adds glamour, and so one of | 1:33:13 | 1:33:15 | |
the characteristics of Manhattan is that | 1:33:15 | 1:33:17 | |
it creates a nostalgia for the present. | 1:33:17 | 1:33:19 | |
He loves New York so much. | 1:33:19 | 1:33:21 | |
I mean, it's his city. | 1:33:21 | 1:33:22 | |
And in this film, which is | 1:33:22 | 1:33:25 | |
just such a love letter to New York, it's - | 1:33:25 | 1:33:28 | |
nothing's done so extraordinarily well | 1:33:28 | 1:33:32 | |
that says New York. | 1:33:32 | 1:33:33 | |
It's constantly alive. | 1:33:33 | 1:33:35 | |
It's like a city that's continually evolving | 1:33:35 | 1:33:39 | |
and extraordinarily creative. | 1:33:39 | 1:33:41 | |
And the rhythm of the city feeds different sensibilities. | 1:33:41 | 1:33:46 | |
I wanted to show New York | 1:33:46 | 1:33:49 | |
in a very beautiful way, the way I see it. | 1:33:49 | 1:33:52 | |
I never had any interest | 1:33:52 | 1:33:54 | |
in showing it except through my rose-coloured glasses, | 1:33:54 | 1:33:59 | |
my romanticised view of it. | 1:33:59 | 1:34:01 | |
It's one of the reasons I love his work. | 1:34:01 | 1:34:03 | |
But they are extremely foreign to me. | 1:34:03 | 1:34:05 | |
It's another - not another world, | 1:34:05 | 1:34:08 | |
another planet. The New York I know is really - | 1:34:08 | 1:34:10 | |
you look at Mean Streets, that's my - where I grew up, | 1:34:10 | 1:34:13 | |
and Taxi Driver is my state of mind. | 1:34:13 | 1:34:16 | |
Manhattan is so beautiful, so you're seeing - | 1:34:16 | 1:34:19 | |
each shot became, you know, it became a painting. | 1:34:19 | 1:34:23 | |
Years from now, people will be able to | 1:34:23 | 1:34:25 | |
look back at my films, and the only real value of them | 1:34:25 | 1:34:28 | |
is going to be the background scenery. | 1:34:28 | 1:34:31 | |
'New York was his town, and it always would be.' | 1:34:31 | 1:34:36 | |
Manhattan we wanted to shoot | 1:34:44 | 1:34:46 | |
widescreen just because it was not | 1:34:46 | 1:34:49 | |
a war picture or a big-scope picture. | 1:34:49 | 1:34:52 | |
It was an intimate love story. | 1:34:52 | 1:34:55 | |
Just because of that, | 1:34:55 | 1:34:56 | |
we thought it would be interesting. | 1:34:56 | 1:35:00 | |
The Gershwin music in Manhattan | 1:35:00 | 1:35:02 | |
is really a second part of the movie. | 1:35:02 | 1:35:03 | |
You have the story going on of all these characters, | 1:35:03 | 1:35:06 | |
and then this music was just able to | 1:35:06 | 1:35:07 | |
inform the audience emotionally about what's happening. | 1:35:07 | 1:35:10 | |
It really makes the music another character, | 1:35:10 | 1:35:13 | |
another part of the ensemble. | 1:35:13 | 1:35:15 | |
GERSHWIN MUSIC PLAYS | 1:35:15 | 1:35:18 | |
There are things that are regarded as comedies | 1:35:33 | 1:35:36 | |
that always bewilder me. | 1:35:36 | 1:35:39 | |
Manhattan was a romance, | 1:35:39 | 1:35:42 | |
and I guess it's thought of as a comedy | 1:35:42 | 1:35:45 | |
because the general story, you know, was light. | 1:35:45 | 1:35:49 | |
I mean, it was amusing. | 1:35:49 | 1:35:51 | |
I was in love with a young girl | 1:35:51 | 1:35:52 | |
and the guy was cheating on his wife, and it's more of | 1:35:52 | 1:35:56 | |
a foreign film influence. | 1:35:56 | 1:35:59 | |
In foreign comedies, you don't get those | 1:35:59 | 1:36:02 | |
kind of "joke comedies" very often. | 1:36:02 | 1:36:05 | |
'What you get more is regular dramatic stories | 1:36:05 | 1:36:08 | |
'but with a little light touch to them here and there.' | 1:36:08 | 1:36:12 | |
Well, I'm old-fashioned. | 1:36:12 | 1:36:14 | |
I don't believe in extramarital relationships. | 1:36:14 | 1:36:15 | |
I think people should mate for life, | 1:36:15 | 1:36:16 | |
like pigeons or Catholics. | 1:36:16 | 1:36:19 | |
There was certainly potential awkwardness | 1:36:19 | 1:36:21 | |
in the casting of Woody opposite | 1:36:21 | 1:36:24 | |
a teenage girl in Manhattan, | 1:36:24 | 1:36:26 | |
but I think that was defused in a lot of ways | 1:36:26 | 1:36:29 | |
by him finding this wonderful young actress, Mariel Hemingway, | 1:36:29 | 1:36:33 | |
who was just 18 and who gave such a wonderful performance | 1:36:33 | 1:36:38 | |
and brought such feeling to it | 1:36:38 | 1:36:40 | |
that she even got an Oscar nomination. | 1:36:40 | 1:36:43 | |
Woody made me feel | 1:36:43 | 1:36:44 | |
as though I was part of the process. | 1:36:44 | 1:36:47 | |
He knew that I was scared, he knew I was shy, | 1:36:47 | 1:36:50 | |
he knew I was these things, so he spent time with me | 1:36:50 | 1:36:53 | |
off the set, taking me to museums | 1:36:53 | 1:36:55 | |
and making me aware of | 1:36:55 | 1:36:57 | |
what I probably would've been aware of | 1:36:57 | 1:37:00 | |
as that young girl living in Manhattan. | 1:37:00 | 1:37:02 | |
Now, it doesn't always happen in a Woody Allen film. | 1:37:02 | 1:37:05 | |
You know, he's like, you show up, you're the actor | 1:37:05 | 1:37:07 | |
and he figures you know what to do | 1:37:07 | 1:37:08 | |
and he leaves you alone, basically. | 1:37:08 | 1:37:10 | |
So I think he knew unless he befriended me | 1:37:10 | 1:37:13 | |
or we became close that I wouldn't understand, | 1:37:13 | 1:37:17 | |
you know, I wouldn't get it. | 1:37:17 | 1:37:18 | |
So when it came to that scene | 1:37:18 | 1:37:21 | |
at the soda fountain | 1:37:21 | 1:37:22 | |
and he's breaking up with me, | 1:37:22 | 1:37:24 | |
there was this natural feeling | 1:37:24 | 1:37:27 | |
of breaking apart a family. | 1:37:27 | 1:37:29 | |
There was a breaking apart of something | 1:37:29 | 1:37:31 | |
that had become very familiar to me, | 1:37:31 | 1:37:33 | |
because I really cared about him as a friend. | 1:37:33 | 1:37:36 | |
I remember looking him in the eye | 1:37:36 | 1:37:37 | |
and listening to what he said, | 1:37:37 | 1:37:39 | |
and listening very, very carefully. | 1:37:39 | 1:37:41 | |
The truth is that I love somebody else. | 1:37:41 | 1:37:44 | |
You do? | 1:37:47 | 1:37:49 | |
Hey, come on, you - we - we - | 1:37:51 | 1:37:53 | |
this was supposed to be a temporary fling. | 1:37:53 | 1:37:55 | |
You know that. | 1:37:55 | 1:37:58 | |
You met someone? | 1:37:58 | 1:38:00 | |
Why should I feel guilty about this? | 1:38:03 | 1:38:05 | |
This is ridiculous. | 1:38:05 | 1:38:06 | |
I've always encouraged you to go out with guys | 1:38:06 | 1:38:09 | |
more your own age, guys - kids from your class. | 1:38:09 | 1:38:11 | |
Billy and Biff and Scooter, you know, | 1:38:11 | 1:38:16 | |
little Tommy or Terry. I don't - | 1:38:16 | 1:38:19 | |
Hey, come on, don't cry. | 1:38:19 | 1:38:21 | |
Don't cry. | 1:38:23 | 1:38:25 | |
Come on, don't - Tracy. | 1:38:25 | 1:38:28 | |
Tracy, don't - come on, don't cry, Tracy. | 1:38:28 | 1:38:31 | |
'So when I cried, it was real.' | 1:38:31 | 1:38:34 | |
Just leave me alone. | 1:38:34 | 1:38:35 | |
'Cos I thought about, "Oh, this too will end," you know.' | 1:38:35 | 1:38:39 | |
"This family will be gone and I will miss you." | 1:38:39 | 1:38:42 | |
TYPEWRITER KEYS CLACKING | 1:38:42 | 1:38:47 | |
I don't know if the act of falling in love | 1:38:47 | 1:38:50 | |
has ever been done with more power or more economy | 1:38:50 | 1:38:54 | |
than in that moment by the 59th Street Bridge | 1:38:54 | 1:38:56 | |
where Woody and Diane Keaton are sitting on the park bench | 1:38:56 | 1:38:59 | |
watching the day come up. | 1:38:59 | 1:39:00 | |
It was a pain in the neck to do | 1:39:00 | 1:39:02 | |
because I like to live a regular schedule. | 1:39:02 | 1:39:05 | |
I went to sleep at night and I had to wake up | 1:39:05 | 1:39:07 | |
at three o'clock in the morning. | 1:39:07 | 1:39:10 | |
Plus, we had to bring our own bench, you know, | 1:39:10 | 1:39:12 | |
cos there's no bench there, | 1:39:12 | 1:39:14 | |
and then we started shooting as the light came up. | 1:39:14 | 1:39:18 | |
Isn't it beautiful out? | 1:39:20 | 1:39:22 | |
Yeah, it's really - | 1:39:22 | 1:39:24 | |
really so pretty when the light starts to come up. | 1:39:24 | 1:39:26 | |
Oh, I know. I love it. | 1:39:26 | 1:39:28 | |
SIGHS | 1:39:29 | 1:39:31 | |
This is really a great city. | 1:39:31 | 1:39:33 | |
I don't care what anybody says. | 1:39:33 | 1:39:35 | |
It's just really a knockout, you know? | 1:39:35 | 1:39:38 | |
Well, I think I'd better head back. | 1:39:38 | 1:39:42 | |
'Well, I didn't know it would be iconic, | 1:39:42 | 1:39:45 | |
'but we knew it would be pretty, but never thinking | 1:39:45 | 1:39:47 | |
'that anything would come of it other than | 1:39:47 | 1:39:49 | |
'it would be a nice scene in the picture.' | 1:39:49 | 1:39:52 | |
Most people take it away | 1:39:54 | 1:39:55 | |
because that's how they want to fall in love | 1:39:55 | 1:39:57 | |
or they have fallen in love. | 1:39:57 | 1:39:59 | |
It either plays to your memory or it plays to your hope. | 1:39:59 | 1:40:01 | |
That's the sort of real twilight | 1:40:01 | 1:40:04 | |
that's operating under that shot. | 1:40:04 | 1:40:05 | |
And because you take it away with you, | 1:40:05 | 1:40:08 | |
it becomes, in some ways, | 1:40:08 | 1:40:10 | |
the most powerful shot in the film. | 1:40:10 | 1:40:12 | |
All right, why is life worth living? | 1:40:12 | 1:40:14 | |
That's a very good question. | 1:40:14 | 1:40:15 | |
You know, the final scene when he's | 1:40:15 | 1:40:17 | |
lying on the couch and remembering all the things | 1:40:17 | 1:40:20 | |
that make him happy. | 1:40:20 | 1:40:21 | |
Tracy's face. | 1:40:21 | 1:40:22 | |
CHUCKLES | 1:40:22 | 1:40:24 | |
And then stopping and running | 1:40:26 | 1:40:28 | |
down the street to that music | 1:40:28 | 1:40:30 | |
and then finally coming up to that door | 1:40:30 | 1:40:32 | |
and seeing me about to leave. | 1:40:32 | 1:40:34 | |
I mean, it doesn't get any better than that. | 1:40:34 | 1:40:37 | |
And I'm not saying, like, "Oh, me!" | 1:40:42 | 1:40:44 | |
That was a film moment where you just go, | 1:40:44 | 1:40:46 | |
"Wow. How incredible is that?" | 1:40:46 | 1:40:49 | |
And that's what's inside of him, you know. | 1:40:49 | 1:40:51 | |
He's a romantic, he's a mush. | 1:40:51 | 1:40:55 | |
What's beautiful about the final scene | 1:40:55 | 1:40:57 | |
is that it's so vulnerable. | 1:40:57 | 1:40:59 | |
I mean, he was so honest and pure in that scene, | 1:40:59 | 1:41:01 | |
and I do believe that it shows how talented | 1:41:01 | 1:41:05 | |
he can be as an actor. | 1:41:05 | 1:41:06 | |
All the stuff goes away, you know, | 1:41:06 | 1:41:08 | |
all the "I'm a comedic actor" or whatever is gone | 1:41:08 | 1:41:12 | |
and he's just right there with you, | 1:41:12 | 1:41:14 | |
and it was so - it was so sweet and it was so touching. | 1:41:14 | 1:41:17 | |
SIGHS | 1:41:17 | 1:41:20 | |
Do you still love me, or what? | 1:41:21 | 1:41:24 | |
Do you love me? | 1:41:25 | 1:41:28 | |
Well, yeah, that's why - yeah, of course. | 1:41:28 | 1:41:31 | |
That's what this is all about, you know? | 1:41:31 | 1:41:33 | |
I've got to make a plane. | 1:41:38 | 1:41:40 | |
Come on, you - come on. | 1:41:40 | 1:41:43 | |
You don't - you don't have to...go. | 1:41:43 | 1:41:46 | |
Why couldn't you have brought this up last week? | 1:41:46 | 1:41:50 | |
Tracy... | 1:41:52 | 1:41:54 | |
Six months isn't so long. | 1:41:54 | 1:41:55 | |
Not everybody gets corrupted. | 1:41:57 | 1:42:01 | |
You have to have a little faith in people. | 1:42:01 | 1:42:04 | |
'It's such a simple line, | 1:42:09 | 1:42:11 | |
'"Have a little faith in people." | 1:42:11 | 1:42:13 | |
'And it's such a beautiful thing that he knew.' | 1:42:13 | 1:42:16 | |
That's a huge statement for him. | 1:42:18 | 1:42:22 | |
I mean, he wrote the line, you know? | 1:42:22 | 1:42:24 | |
I didn't make that up. | 1:42:24 | 1:42:26 | |
Tell me about the critical | 1:42:34 | 1:42:36 | |
and public reception to Manhattan, generally. | 1:42:36 | 1:42:41 | |
You know, I don't remember what it was. | 1:42:41 | 1:42:44 | |
Was it good? They liked it? | 1:42:44 | 1:42:46 | |
Oh, well, we got some very good reviews. | 1:42:46 | 1:42:48 | |
Everybody loved Manhattan. | 1:42:48 | 1:42:49 | |
Just as Annie Hall had been a deepening | 1:42:49 | 1:42:51 | |
of what he'd been doing, I think people thought, | 1:42:51 | 1:42:53 | |
"Wow, Manhattan is an even deeper | 1:42:53 | 1:42:56 | |
"deepening of what he'd been doing." | 1:42:56 | 1:42:58 | |
This film was big. | 1:42:58 | 1:43:00 | |
There was a groundswell that happened after Cannes | 1:43:00 | 1:43:04 | |
that just went crazy. | 1:43:04 | 1:43:06 | |
Everybody went crazy for this film. | 1:43:06 | 1:43:08 | |
I remember its opening in New York. I mean, you just - | 1:43:08 | 1:43:10 | |
there were lines around the block | 1:43:10 | 1:43:13 | |
and the reviews were fantastic. | 1:43:13 | 1:43:16 | |
When I was finished with it, I didn't like the film at all. | 1:43:16 | 1:43:21 | |
And I saw it and... | 1:43:21 | 1:43:25 | |
And I spoke to United Artists at that time | 1:43:25 | 1:43:30 | |
and offered to make a film for them for nothing | 1:43:30 | 1:43:34 | |
if they would not put it out. | 1:43:34 | 1:43:37 | |
I just thought to myself, "At this point in my life, | 1:43:37 | 1:43:40 | |
"if this is the best I can do, | 1:43:40 | 1:43:43 | |
"they shouldn't give me money to make movies." | 1:43:43 | 1:43:46 | |
Woody's notion for the film was so much more ambitious, | 1:43:46 | 1:43:50 | |
I think, than what he got in the end, | 1:43:50 | 1:43:52 | |
or was so different from it, | 1:43:52 | 1:43:53 | |
that he was extraordinarily disappointed. | 1:43:53 | 1:43:56 | |
And it's interesting how audiences have responded, | 1:43:56 | 1:43:59 | |
cos they have no idea what his hope or dream was for this. | 1:43:59 | 1:44:02 | |
They just took this and just completely | 1:44:02 | 1:44:03 | |
latched onto it in a way that I think | 1:44:03 | 1:44:05 | |
still mystifies him. | 1:44:05 | 1:44:07 | |
After Manhattan, the audience was ready | 1:44:07 | 1:44:09 | |
to follow Woody Allen anywhere. | 1:44:09 | 1:44:11 | |
Anywhere except Stardust Memories. | 1:44:11 | 1:44:13 | |
LAUGHS | 1:44:13 | 1:44:14 | |
What do you want me to say? | 1:44:14 | 1:44:16 | |
I don't want to make funny movies any more. | 1:44:16 | 1:44:17 | |
They can't force me to. | 1:44:17 | 1:44:19 | |
You know, I don't feel funny. | 1:44:19 | 1:44:20 | |
I look around the world and all I see is human suffering. | 1:44:20 | 1:44:23 | |
I was so disappointed in Stardust Memories, | 1:44:23 | 1:44:26 | |
I saw it three times the week it opened, right? | 1:44:26 | 1:44:27 | |
Cos I kept feeling it's my fault, | 1:44:27 | 1:44:29 | |
because he was up to something interesting | 1:44:29 | 1:44:31 | |
even if I couldn't quite buy in. | 1:44:31 | 1:44:33 | |
I wanted to. I wanted to find a way past. | 1:44:33 | 1:44:36 | |
And there was something in that film | 1:44:37 | 1:44:39 | |
that is unique and original. | 1:44:39 | 1:44:40 | |
That was my favourite film for a while. | 1:44:40 | 1:44:44 | |
It was my least popular film, | 1:44:44 | 1:44:46 | |
but it's certainly my own personal favourite. | 1:44:46 | 1:44:51 | |
I would bet you that | 1:44:51 | 1:44:53 | |
Woody's favourite movies were the ones | 1:44:53 | 1:44:54 | |
where he felt he pulled off something stylistic, | 1:44:54 | 1:44:56 | |
where he pulled off an ambitious magic trick. | 1:44:56 | 1:44:58 | |
Stardust Memories, I think, is a big magic act. | 1:44:58 | 1:45:01 | |
You know, quite apart from its influence by Fellini, | 1:45:01 | 1:45:04 | |
it's essentially, he's just working his magic | 1:45:04 | 1:45:07 | |
and in a sense making a statement about | 1:45:07 | 1:45:09 | |
being a magician, so to speak. | 1:45:09 | 1:45:10 | |
And because of that, | 1:45:10 | 1:45:12 | |
the audience didn't feel that they could relate to it | 1:45:12 | 1:45:15 | |
as personally as they did to the other films. | 1:45:15 | 1:45:19 | |
You know, I wanted to try and make a film | 1:45:19 | 1:45:20 | |
about a man who had | 1:45:20 | 1:45:22 | |
presumably, to the outside eye, everything. | 1:45:22 | 1:45:25 | |
He had money and he was famous, | 1:45:25 | 1:45:27 | |
and yet, he had come to a point in life where | 1:45:27 | 1:45:30 | |
he realised still that he was still going to wind up | 1:45:30 | 1:45:34 | |
on the junk heap with everybody else | 1:45:34 | 1:45:37 | |
and him coming to terms with that idea | 1:45:37 | 1:45:39 | |
over the course of this weekend which really | 1:45:39 | 1:45:43 | |
happens in his mind for the most part. | 1:45:43 | 1:45:45 | |
A year or two before he made it, he had gone with Judith Crist, | 1:45:45 | 1:45:48 | |
who was the film critic for New York Magazine at the time, | 1:45:48 | 1:45:51 | |
to a weekend seminar that she did on film | 1:45:51 | 1:45:53 | |
at an estate turned into a hotel up the Hudson | 1:45:53 | 1:45:56 | |
about an hour from New York, and he came | 1:45:56 | 1:45:58 | |
and he was the guest for the weekend there. | 1:45:58 | 1:45:59 | |
And out of that came this whole notion | 1:45:59 | 1:46:02 | |
that he did of the guy having the crack-up. | 1:46:02 | 1:46:05 | |
We love your work. My wife has seen all your films. | 1:46:05 | 1:46:07 | |
I especially like your early, funny ones. | 1:46:07 | 1:46:10 | |
Many people saw that film as me attacking my fans | 1:46:10 | 1:46:16 | |
and saying the people out there | 1:46:16 | 1:46:18 | |
that are enjoying my films are clawing and pawing | 1:46:18 | 1:46:22 | |
and silly-looking, but that had nothing to do | 1:46:22 | 1:46:27 | |
with the film at all. | 1:46:27 | 1:46:29 | |
The film is really about problems of | 1:46:29 | 1:46:32 | |
an artistic sensibility | 1:46:32 | 1:46:33 | |
and how you're in your mind or out of your mind. | 1:46:33 | 1:46:36 | |
What were you trying to say in this picture? | 1:46:36 | 1:46:39 | |
I was just trying to be funny. | 1:46:39 | 1:46:40 | |
LAUGHTER | 1:46:40 | 1:46:43 | |
Had you studied filmmaking in school? | 1:46:43 | 1:46:46 | |
No, no, no. I didn't study anything in school. They studied me. | 1:46:46 | 1:46:48 | |
LAUGHTER | 1:46:48 | 1:46:50 | |
I kept a file of photographs | 1:46:50 | 1:46:52 | |
of Woody Allen faces. | 1:46:52 | 1:46:54 | |
There was something humorous about them that was distinctive. | 1:46:54 | 1:46:57 | |
So I would have drawers of pictures that I saved | 1:46:57 | 1:47:00 | |
specifically for Woody. | 1:47:00 | 1:47:03 | |
We really, you know, | 1:47:03 | 1:47:05 | |
looked for very eccentric, | 1:47:05 | 1:47:08 | |
strange, humorous people. | 1:47:08 | 1:47:11 | |
That was probably our most ambitious | 1:47:11 | 1:47:14 | |
style piece to that date. | 1:47:14 | 1:47:16 | |
It was a little more exotic and flamboyant | 1:47:16 | 1:47:19 | |
because he was more impressed by directors whose style | 1:47:19 | 1:47:24 | |
was more visually stimulating and interesting, | 1:47:24 | 1:47:26 | |
you know, Bergman and Fellini. | 1:47:26 | 1:47:28 | |
He has great admiration | 1:47:28 | 1:47:30 | |
for a lot of foreign directors and a lot of foreign movies. | 1:47:30 | 1:47:35 | |
He's never made a secret out of that. | 1:47:35 | 1:47:37 | |
You get blamed for | 1:47:37 | 1:47:39 | |
copying other material, or, you know, | 1:47:39 | 1:47:43 | |
you're doing Bergman and you're doing Fellini | 1:47:43 | 1:47:46 | |
and you're doing 8 1/2. | 1:47:46 | 1:47:47 | |
But we never discussed anything at that level ever, | 1:47:47 | 1:47:51 | |
anybody else's movies. | 1:47:51 | 1:47:53 | |
There's no question of Fellini's influence on Woody. | 1:47:53 | 1:47:55 | |
No question about it. | 1:47:55 | 1:47:58 | |
Critics were overeducated cos | 1:47:58 | 1:48:00 | |
they'd all seen 8 1/2 and they thought, | 1:48:00 | 1:48:02 | |
"Oh, he's just remaking 8 1/2." | 1:48:02 | 1:48:04 | |
I think audience members who didn't know anything | 1:48:04 | 1:48:07 | |
about 8 1/2 were just sort of put off | 1:48:07 | 1:48:09 | |
by the strange busyness of it. | 1:48:09 | 1:48:11 | |
You know, the whole point of the movie | 1:48:11 | 1:48:13 | |
is that nobody is saved. | 1:48:13 | 1:48:15 | |
Sandy, this is an Easter film. | 1:48:15 | 1:48:16 | |
We don't need a movie by an atheist. | 1:48:16 | 1:48:18 | |
-One more, sir. -To you I'm an atheist. | 1:48:18 | 1:48:19 | |
To God, I'm the loyal opposition. | 1:48:19 | 1:48:21 | |
-LAUGHING -Jesus. | 1:48:21 | 1:48:22 | |
I'm your biggest fan. I think you're terrific. | 1:48:22 | 1:48:24 | |
Thank you. | 1:48:24 | 1:48:25 | |
His public adores him. | 1:48:25 | 1:48:27 | |
Yeah. Today they adore you | 1:48:27 | 1:48:28 | |
and tomorrow it's one of these. | 1:48:28 | 1:48:30 | |
'Stardust Memories is a completely made-up story,' | 1:48:30 | 1:48:32 | |
and I was surprised that, you know, | 1:48:32 | 1:48:37 | |
that people would think that that was me. | 1:48:37 | 1:48:41 | |
The press hated it. | 1:48:41 | 1:48:43 | |
He got terrible reviews for it. | 1:48:43 | 1:48:46 | |
The truth is, Woody didn't read reviews. | 1:48:46 | 1:48:50 | |
So he wasn't terribly affected by reviews. | 1:48:52 | 1:48:56 | |
I read all of them. | 1:48:56 | 1:48:57 | |
LAUGHS | 1:48:57 | 1:48:59 | |
You guys got to tell me. | 1:48:59 | 1:49:01 | |
Why is there so much human suffering? | 1:49:01 | 1:49:02 | |
This is unanswerable. | 1:49:02 | 1:49:05 | |
Is there a God? | 1:49:05 | 1:49:07 | |
These are the wrong questions. | 1:49:07 | 1:49:09 | |
Look, here's my point. | 1:49:09 | 1:49:10 | |
If nothing lasts, why am I bothering | 1:49:10 | 1:49:12 | |
to make films, or do anything, for that matter? | 1:49:12 | 1:49:14 | |
We enjoy your films, | 1:49:14 | 1:49:16 | |
particularly the early, funny ones. | 1:49:16 | 1:49:18 | |
The public was very, very generous with me | 1:49:18 | 1:49:21 | |
and the critics were very generous when I started. | 1:49:21 | 1:49:24 | |
They overlooked all my mistakes, | 1:49:24 | 1:49:26 | |
they only wrote the nice things, | 1:49:26 | 1:49:28 | |
and now I think I'm at that stage where | 1:49:28 | 1:49:31 | |
I must pay my dues and be held accountable | 1:49:31 | 1:49:35 | |
for the many terrible things that I do. | 1:49:35 | 1:49:37 | |
And I think that in future years, | 1:49:37 | 1:49:40 | |
I have a chance to - to come back again. | 1:49:40 | 1:49:44 | |
After Stardust Memories, I think many in his audience | 1:49:44 | 1:49:46 | |
were saying, you know, has he played himself out? What can happen now? | 1:49:46 | 1:49:50 | |
Is this the end of him? | 1:49:50 | 1:49:51 | |
When arguably, his best work is yet to come. | 1:49:51 | 1:49:54 | |
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