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If, like me, you love New York, then how could you not love Woody Allen?

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And if, like me, you happen to be Jewish,

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you love movies AND you love New York, then you're in for a treat.

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No-one quite represents a city like Woody represents New York.

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It plays a leading role in most of his films, alongside Woody himself,

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of course, with his dark-rimmed glasses and his trademark neuroses.

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It took the filmmaker Robert Weide

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over 20 years to persuade the director of Manhattan,

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Hannah and Her Sisters and Annie Hall to open up about everything,

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from growing up in Brooklyn, to his life as a stand-up comic,

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to his obsessive-compulsive career as a filmmaker

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who, still in his mid-70s, insists on making at least one film a year.

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And you know what? It's well worth waiting for.

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He's funny, frank and forthcoming.

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And tonight, in the first of two films,

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Imagine tells the compelling story

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of how Brooklyn-born Allan Konigsberg transformed himself

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from full-time nerd into movie legend.

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BRASS BAND PLAYS

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Writing is the great life.

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Cos you wake up in the morning,

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you write in your room.

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You know, in the room,

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everything is great, you know,

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cos you don't have to deliver.

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So you write it, and you imagine

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it's Citizen Kane or, you know,

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everything you write is great.

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But when you have to then take it out and do it,

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then reality sets in.

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Then all your schemes about making a masterpiece

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are reduced to

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"I'll prostitute myself any way I have to,

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"to survive this catastrophe".

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MUSIC: "Sing, Sing, Sing" by Benny Goodman

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I don't think there is anybody like Woody.

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I've never met anybody like Woody.

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You can't compare anybody to Woody Allen.

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His range is amazing.

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You have only to look at Bananas and Match Point.

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If you'd asked me what directors I wanted to work with,

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Woody Allen would've been at the top of my list.

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He is, without question,

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the best actor's director I've ever worked with.

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Not everybody has the staying power,

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not everybody has the tenacity,

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and not everybody has so much to say.

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The day that he finishes editing a film

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is the day he starts typing the script of the next.

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He never takes any time off.

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Fourteen screenplay nominations. Fourteen.

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Who the hell is good for 20 years?

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This guy has been good for 40 years.

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He's kind of peerless.

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It's not just that we're still interested in Woody Allen.

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He's still interested in telling stories.

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On the one hand, he'd be brilliant,

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and his insights were amazing,

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but on the other hand, he'd be an idiot.

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He's also not normal.

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You know, he's not of the normal stock.

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Neurosis, fears, phobias...

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A bit adolescent, to tell you the truth.

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He is a little bit of a hypochondriac.

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He's cripplingly shy.

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Oh, he's definitely a little nutty.

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He really wears his heart on his sleeve.

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He's a big hugger.

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LAUGHS

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No.

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I remember when Woody was the Antichrist.

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And by the way, the one thing that I didn't mention

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is that he's also very funny.

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So much of what's filtered out

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about me over the years has been completely mythological.

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I mean, completely, you know, exaggerated

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or downright untrue.

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Some of it's been true, of course.

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Would you enter, mystery challenger, and sign in, please?

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CHEERS AND APPLAUSE

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Speak of making a documentary about Woody Allen.

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Which Woody Allen?

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There are actually so many.

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You know, you have the stand-up comic,

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the author of casual pieces for the New Yorker

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in the tradition of SJ Perelman.

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Are you in the entertainment field?

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HIGH-PITCHED VOICE: Yes.

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You have the clarinettist.

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Are you a nightclub entertainer?

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Mm, yes.

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You have the playwright.

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Are you primarily known for your work in the films?

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No.

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He was many things before he became a filmmaker.

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Are you female?

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LAUGHTER

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No.

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I think film became inevitable because he could bring together

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all the things that he excelled at.

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To really contextualise Woody Allen

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in the history of American cinema,

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one does have to go back to Charlie Chaplin,

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the idea of an actor who becomes the writer,

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the director, the true auteur, who places himself

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at the centre of that cinematic universe

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consistently through a number of films,

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so that ultimately, the persona does enter the culture.

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I mean, the reality is,

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Woody Allen has managed to do that in our own time.

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I used to think that Woody was

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essentially a writerly sensibility.

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On the other hand, I've seen, you know,

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just a steady, steady growth

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in his skills as a filmmaker,

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complementing his skills as a writer.

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I think, you know, he's almost as good as we get.

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My parents were not pro Woody going into show business.

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CHUCKLES

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They wanted him to be a pharmacist.

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He was the wrong person born to those parents.

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That's all I can say.

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SWING MUSIC PLAYING

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ALLEN: My mother always used to say

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I was a very sweet, happy kid right from the start,

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and then somewhere around five or so,

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I turned grumpier or sour.

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I can only think, when I became aware of my mortality,

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I didn't like that idea.

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What do you mean, this ends?

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This, you know, this is -

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this doesn't go on like this?

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No, it ends.

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You know, you - you vanish for ever.

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Once I realised that, I thought, "Hey," you know, "deal me out.

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"I don't want to play in this game."

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And I never was the same after that.

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He's been depressed.

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All of a sudden, he can't do anything.

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Why are you depressed, Alvy?

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Tell Dr Flicker.

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It's something he read.

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Something you read, huh?

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The universe is expanding.

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The universe is expanding?

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Well, the universe is everything,

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and if it's expanding, someday it will break apart,

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and that will be the end of everything.

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What is that your business?!

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He's stopped doing his homework!

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What's the point?

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And that thought over the years

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took different forms as I later got older

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and always used my concentration camp example

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of people around me having fun, enjoying themselves.

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And I wanted to say, "But don't you realise

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"you're going to go up in a smokestack,

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"you know, in a short while?

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"So why are you so happy?

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"I mean, doesn't that thought sort of put a damper on things?"

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I'm not saying my grim appraisal is right.

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Of course, I think it is,

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but this is only my particular take on everything -

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that we all know the same truth,

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and our lives consist of how we choose to distort it.

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TRAIN CHUGS

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MUSIC: "Moonlight Serenade" by The Glenn Miller Orchestra

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When I grew up, Brooklyn was a great place to live.

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There was very little traffic.

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You could stay out all day long playing ball on the street.

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And you couldn't walk two blocks without coming to a movie house.

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A 15-minute trolley ride to Coney Island and the beach.

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Kids were safe. I'd leave the house at eight o'clock in the morning

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and come back at seven at night.

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And when I think back on all those wonderful stores,

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you know, bakery stores and delicatessens

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and Chinese restaurants

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and movie houses and candy stores...

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But if you could cut back

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to when I was a boy in the early '40s,

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you know, it was sensational.

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We always lived with relatives.

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I lived with cousins and aunts and uncles,

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and we almost never lived alone.

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You know, this was a carry-over from the Depression,

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when families were getting together.

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So it was always very lively,

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people doing things and yelling at each other,

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and activity.

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It was a madhouse all the time.

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Woody's original name, birth name,

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was Allan Stewart Konigsberg.

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Now, my parents always called him Allan.

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They never stopped calling him Allan.

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What was the most miserable thing about your childhood?

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Probably the fact that I was young.

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-LAUGHTER

-Oh, really?

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Yeah.

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It was.

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If - if I could have been older at the time,

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I think I could've carried it off more.

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LAUGHTER

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My mother used to leave me with these maids all the time

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because she was working.

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And I remember one of them when I was a kid,

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and I was in my crib at the time,

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explaining to me that if she wanted to, she could kill me,

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that she could smother me, and she demonstrated it.

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She could wrap me in a blanket,

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completely cutting off all my air,

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and smother me and then just dump me in the garbage outside.

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It was just - but she did do it.

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I couldn't breathe for a few seconds,

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and then she let me out,

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and, you know, one wonders how close I came.

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So if that nanny were just like 10% crazier,

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that could have been...

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Sure. Sure.

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That would have been, you know, the world would be poorer

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a number of great one-liners.

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My grandfather, on his deathbed,

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sold me this watch.

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LAUGHTER

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His father was the sweetest man you could meet.

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He was just so sweet and he'd call us every day.

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He'd say, "It's going to rain.

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"Do you have enough canned goods in the house?"

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You know, we knew my father as Martin Konigsberg.

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But actually, when - one year

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when they had to get birth certificates,

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my father's name was actually Max.

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But we always knew him as Martin.

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He was born in 1900 and lived to 100 years old.

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My mother was Nettie Cherry.

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She was born in 1906.

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And she lived till 96.

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FOLK MUSIC PLAYING

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Our father's parents came to the United States

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from Russia by way of England.

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Our mother's family came from Austria.

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But our mother and father were born here.

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His father was quite wealthy

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and at one time owned the movie theatre in Brooklyn,

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Midwood Movie Theater, and then lost a lot of money.

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And he was, like, egg candling or something like that,

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and my mother was working for him.

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He thought that she was, you know, responsible

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and my father was not.

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Anyway, he introduced my father to my mother,

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and they got married.

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They never got along.

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There was a period of years when they never even spoke

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when I was growing up.

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It got better once they were much older.

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They were married for ever and ever and ever,

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but for my entire childhood that I remember,

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they argued or didn't speak.

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My little adorable father worked for the same firm for 14 years.

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They fired him. They replaced him with a gadget this big.

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Does everything that my father does,

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only it does it much better, you know.

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And the depressing thing is,

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my mother ran out and bought one.

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CHEERS AND APPLAUSE

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What did your father do for a living?

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That's a very good question.

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He did everything over the years...

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Jewellery engraving...

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He was a bookmaker for a while.

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A waiter at Sammy's Bowery Follies.

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Then he was - he ran a pool room.

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He was a taxi driver.

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He was a bartender. He was a waiter. He was a jeweller.

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You know, he was unskilled labour.

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You know, he did all kinds of things,

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small jobs over the years.

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What DO you do, Dad?

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It's none of your business.

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All my friends know what their dads do for a living.

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Don't you have any homework?

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Hey, can I have 15 cents for the new Masked Avenger ring?

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What am I, made of money?

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Pay more attention to your schoolwork

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-and less to the radio.

-YOU always listen to the radio.

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It's different. Our lives are ruined already.

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You still have a chance to grow up and be somebody.

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You think I want you working at the job I do?

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I don't even know what your job is.

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My father was not the one saying, "You have to study, you have to go to school,

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"you have to do this, you have to do that."

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It was my mother. It was my mother who -

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who really had to push,

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you know, to get anything accomplished.

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You were a very bright child.

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You spoke young, you were - you were very young when you spoke.

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You were always running,

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whether it was the street or the house or your room.

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You never stayed put for five minutes.

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I didn't know how to handle that type of a child.

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You were too - too active and too much of a child for me.

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I wasn't that good to you,

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because I was very strict with you,

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which I regret, because I think if I hadn't been that strict,

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you might have been a more - not so impatient.

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You might have been, what should I say?

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Not "better" -

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you're a good person - but maybe softer, maybe warmer.

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And did you take up boxing really to escape from poverty

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or just because you enjoyed it?

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No, I took up boxing so I could deal with my mother.

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LAUGHTER

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Yes, there were a great many subjects

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we disagreed on, and frequently the only way to settle matters

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was to put on the gloves and get into the ring.

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And I used to knock her teeth out all the time.

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-Really?

-Yeah, and she's an old woman, you know.

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-Yeah, so, that's why.

-LAUGHTER

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I'll just grab my lid.

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Give me a little protection.

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CHUCKLES

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-Can I get out on this side?

-Oh, no, wait up.

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This is the house that I was born in.

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And we were on the top floor.

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The landlord lived on the bottom floor.

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I remember as a little boy

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infuriating the landlord because -

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you see, the pot there

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used to have big red geraniums in them,

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and I just ripped them all out so I could hide my soldiers.

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I used to sit on this stoop all the time,

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and this was where - where we rooted against the Nazis,

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you know, and I had all my -

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you know, this is where I first went to school,

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to kindergarten and then from here.

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It doesn't look like much, but it wasn't.

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I'll take you around the corner

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and show you where the Midwood Theater,

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the movie house, was.

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Now, God, when you think of it, you know,

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the amount of movies that I saw right here,

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I mean, it was just astonishing.

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This was a very glamorous place at the time, you know,

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a very pretty theatre with plush carpets and sconces

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and beautiful glass fixtures,

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lines of middle-class people, you know, attractive girls

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and nice-looking young guys,

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and all going to see, you know, what now we consider

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our classic movie heritage.

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It was all - it was all here.

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Now, when you look at it, it's not as nice.

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I started on the clarinet at about 15.

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Actually, I started on the soprano saxophone,

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because I wanted to play like Sidney Bechet,

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and then I realised in the first two or three minutes

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that it wasn't going to happen.

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And then I started playing the clarinet.

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I like to play. It's just a hobby, you know.

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I always liked jazz.

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I liked to listen when I was younger.

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I still like to listen, of course.

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But the clarinet I mostly played by myself.

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I called up a jazz musician, quite a well-known jazz musician

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named Gene Sedrick, and asked him

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if he would give me some lessons,

0:19:040:19:06

and he used to come to my house,

0:19:060:19:08

and he would just sit in my living room with me

0:19:080:19:10

and play something and say, "You do it now."

0:19:100:19:14

And gradually, I learned how to play.

0:19:140:19:18

You know, when we're on location doing a film,

0:19:180:19:21

there are times he brings his instrument with him

0:19:210:19:24

and practises in the car on a break.

0:19:240:19:28

But he practises all the time.

0:19:280:19:30

It's a pleasurable thing to play.

0:19:300:19:33

If you play an instrument, it's fun to play it,

0:19:330:19:36

and it's fun to play it with other people.

0:19:360:19:39

And as it turns out,

0:19:390:19:41

people come and listen to us.

0:19:410:19:45

He loves going to the Carlyle

0:19:450:19:46

every week and playing music there.

0:19:460:19:48

He doesn't see it as, "Oh, I have to go, it's Monday night."

0:19:480:19:51

He loves doing it.

0:19:510:19:52

And he'll never do anything that he doesn't feel he can do well,

0:19:520:19:57

and so the practice is necessary, and that's it.

0:19:570:19:59

It's, you know, it's a foregone conclusion that he'll do it.

0:19:590:20:03

He said to me that if he could do anything in the world,

0:20:030:20:06

he would have loved to have been a clarinet player

0:20:060:20:08

more than a filmmaker.

0:20:080:20:10

PLAYING JAZZ

0:20:100:20:14

His sensitivity to music

0:20:230:20:24

is key to his success as a filmmaker,

0:20:240:20:27

because very early on, right from the very first films,

0:20:270:20:30

he's got a sense of rhythm, a sense of timing.

0:20:300:20:34

Rhythm and timing are key to success in comedy.

0:20:340:20:37

But because he has this other, sort of melodic sensitivity,

0:20:370:20:40

I think it really makes it possible for him

0:20:400:20:43

to not only do excellent comedy,

0:20:430:20:45

but it makes it possible for him to be emotional as well.

0:20:450:20:48

It's more direct expression of everything,

0:20:520:20:57

don't you think, music?

0:20:570:20:58

You know, he always would talk about Sidney Bechet,

0:20:580:21:02

and he has that sweet, winsome sound.

0:21:020:21:07

Woody has that sound.

0:21:070:21:10

It's in his persona, his public persona,

0:21:100:21:13

but it's also in him.

0:21:130:21:16

It's just in him.

0:21:160:21:18

CHEERS AND APPLAUSE

0:21:240:21:29

ALLEN: Our last years of high school in Midwood,

0:21:330:21:35

you know, all my friends were

0:21:350:21:37

deciding what they were going to do with their lives.

0:21:370:21:39

They were going to become doctors and lawyers.

0:21:390:21:41

And someone suggested that I try writing gags.

0:21:410:21:46

And I did try it after school.

0:21:460:21:50

So he starts sending jokes in to the newspaper,

0:21:500:21:52

and they started printing them.

0:21:520:21:54

I was shocked.

0:21:570:21:59

My name would suddenly appear in Walter Winchell's column

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and Earl Wilson, and there were many columnists at the time,

0:22:010:22:05

Frank Farrell, Hy Gardner, Leonard Lyons.

0:22:050:22:08

I did not want to appear in Broadway columns

0:22:080:22:12

and in the newspapers with my own name,

0:22:120:22:16

because I didn't want to go to school the next day

0:22:160:22:18

and sit in my math class or my history class

0:22:180:22:21

and have some guy or girl turn to me and say,

0:22:210:22:23

"Hey, I saw your name in Walter Winchell's column."

0:22:230:22:27

And, you know, I was shy.

0:22:270:22:29

I wanted to keep my first name, Allan,

0:22:290:22:32

and I just threw on the first thing that came to mind with it.

0:22:320:22:35

"Woody Allen" kind of had a nice comedic ring to it,

0:22:350:22:38

and it seemed that that would be

0:22:380:22:40

a better guy to be signing gag lines than Allan Konigsberg.

0:22:400:22:42

There was a press agent,

0:22:420:22:44

a public relations man named David Alber.

0:22:440:22:46

And his job was to come up with funny lines

0:22:460:22:48

to put in the mouths of his clients.

0:22:480:22:51

And he called up and said, "Who is this guy, Woody Allen,

0:22:510:22:54

"whose name I read all the time in the columns?"

0:22:540:22:57

And I think it was Earl Wilson

0:22:570:22:59

at the Post at that time that said,

0:22:590:23:01

"He's some kid in Brooklyn

0:23:010:23:02

"who sends me these jokes after school."

0:23:020:23:05

And he hired Woody to come in at 25 a week after school

0:23:050:23:08

to write jokes.

0:23:080:23:09

And I was doing about 50 jokes a day for a long time.

0:23:090:23:13

It was not hard.

0:23:130:23:14

Well, he thought he was in the heart of show business.

0:23:140:23:16

And one of the people he was working with

0:23:160:23:17

was a guy named Mike Merrick, who was in his early 20s.

0:23:170:23:20

And Merrick had these round, black glasses.

0:23:200:23:23

And I thought, "Hey, I would look good in those."

0:23:230:23:26

So I bought these black-rimmed glasses

0:23:260:23:29

and put them on and wore them, and never gave my glasses

0:23:290:23:34

a second thought for the rest of my life.

0:23:340:23:36

From there, I was asked in to write some jokes

0:23:360:23:41

for the Arthur Godfrey programme,

0:23:410:23:44

for Peter Lind Hayes and Mary Healy -

0:23:440:23:47

they did a radio programme.

0:23:470:23:48

And that eventually got to Herb Shriner,

0:23:480:23:52

who was a wonderful comedian, and I wrote for him.

0:23:520:23:56

And I never really stopped.

0:23:560:23:57

I was never out of work.

0:23:570:23:59

By the time he was 16 or 17,

0:23:590:24:01

he was making more than his parents,

0:24:010:24:03

and has been regularly employed every day of his life since.

0:24:030:24:07

CLARINET PLAYING JAZZ

0:24:070:24:10

This is where I work.

0:24:100:24:12

My house is always full of clarinet reeds everyplace.

0:24:140:24:18

I bought this when I was 16.

0:24:180:24:20

It still works like a tank.

0:24:200:24:23

And it's a German typewriter, and it's an Olympia portable.

0:24:230:24:28

I've had it my whole life.

0:24:280:24:30

It cost me 40, I think.

0:24:300:24:33

The guy told me it would be around long after my death.

0:24:330:24:37

And I've typed everything that I've ever written -

0:24:370:24:42

every script, every New Yorker piece,

0:24:420:24:44

everything I've ever done, on this typewriter.

0:24:440:24:47

It used to have a metal piece on top, covering this,

0:24:470:24:49

which I lost 30 years ago.

0:24:490:24:53

One advantage, obviously, to a word processor is,

0:24:530:24:56

you can electronically cut and paste.

0:24:560:24:58

What do you do when you have to cut and paste?

0:24:580:24:59

If I'm typing something, I have my scissors here,

0:24:590:25:04

and I have a lot of these things,

0:25:040:25:07

these little stapling machines.

0:25:070:25:09

So if I'm typing something,

0:25:090:25:13

I type the part that looks like this.

0:25:130:25:16

You know, nobody can really type my stuff.

0:25:160:25:20

It looks terrible on the page,

0:25:200:25:23

so I have to type it, because I have arrows

0:25:230:25:25

and all kinds of things. But when I come to a nice part,

0:25:250:25:28

then I cut that part off

0:25:280:25:31

and staple it onto something else with this.

0:25:310:25:35

It's very primitive, I know.

0:25:350:25:37

But it works very well for me, and I can type.

0:25:370:25:41

You know, I mean, I can touch-type.

0:25:410:25:43

So there's no problem.

0:25:430:25:46

Woody dated a lot,

0:25:480:25:50

but didn't really bring, that I recall,

0:25:500:25:53

didn't really bring girls home until he was dating Harlene,

0:25:530:25:58

whom he eventually married.

0:25:580:26:00

And he was very young.

0:26:000:26:02

He was, I think, about 17,

0:26:020:26:04

and then 18 when he married her.

0:26:040:26:05

It's funny - when you're really young,

0:26:050:26:07

you know, you go out and you go to the movies and you go bowling

0:26:070:26:12

and you go to the drive-ins,

0:26:120:26:14

and then there's nowhere to go but to get married.

0:26:140:26:18

You don't know what else to do. We've done everything.

0:26:180:26:20

We've eaten at all the restaurants,

0:26:200:26:21

and we've, you know, we've seen the movies

0:26:210:26:24

and been to the theatre, the ball games,

0:26:240:26:27

so what else is there to do?

0:26:270:26:30

It's eight o'clock, let's get married.

0:26:300:26:33

So we got, you know, we got married.

0:26:330:26:36

And we were both kids.

0:26:360:26:38

And it served a very good function for both of us.

0:26:380:26:41

It got us out of our parents' homes.

0:26:410:26:44

It got us up on our feet.

0:26:440:26:46

And I suddenly found that I was 20 years old.

0:26:460:26:49

I was married and had responsibilities,

0:26:490:26:51

but we just, you know,

0:26:510:26:54

were too young to have a lifetime together.

0:26:540:26:56

I married a very immature woman, and it didn't work out.

0:26:560:27:03

See if this is not immature to you.

0:27:030:27:05

I would be home, in the bathroom, taking a bath,

0:27:050:27:09

and my wife would walk right in whenever she felt like,

0:27:090:27:13

and sink my boats.

0:27:130:27:15

LAUGHTER

0:27:150:27:19

In 1956, after writing for a number of comics,

0:27:190:27:22

Woody gets an opportunity to go to Tamiment.

0:27:220:27:25

It's a resort in the Poconos that specialises in theatre.

0:27:250:27:29

People would flood up there Friday nights

0:27:290:27:32

and stay for the weekends.

0:27:320:27:34

And they had a staff of writers,

0:27:340:27:38

dancers, directors, choreographers,

0:27:380:27:41

who would put on an original live revue show

0:27:410:27:45

every single week.

0:27:450:27:47

I was advised to go there,

0:27:470:27:49

because you really get experience

0:27:490:27:52

writing for a live audience,

0:27:520:27:54

how to write not just individual jokes but, you know,

0:27:540:27:57

five-minute sketches, three-minute sketches, eight-minute sketches.

0:27:570:28:01

So, I went and I did three summers there.

0:28:010:28:04

The first summer, I wrote sketches.

0:28:040:28:07

The second summer, I wrote sketches and directed them.

0:28:070:28:09

And the third summer, I wrote sketches and directed them.

0:28:090:28:12

You know, you couldn't sit in a room

0:28:120:28:14

waiting for your muse to come and tickle you.

0:28:140:28:18

Monday morning came, there was a dress rehearsal Thursday.

0:28:180:28:22

You had to get that thing written.

0:28:220:28:26

And it was gruelling, but you learned to write.

0:28:260:28:29

And from there, I managed to go

0:28:290:28:33

directly to The Sid Caesar Show.

0:28:330:28:36

Sid was an acknowledged comic genius,

0:28:360:28:40

and everybody wanted to write for him.

0:28:400:28:44

And suddenly, I got hired, and I was just, you know,

0:28:440:28:49

20, 21 years old.

0:28:490:28:50

And I found myself writing with Mel Brooks

0:28:500:28:54

and writing with Larry Gelbart and Mel Tolkin.

0:28:540:28:57

Why don't you try to go upstairs

0:28:570:28:59

and get some rest, huh?

0:28:590:29:00

I said, "My God, I'm writing for Sid Caesar."

0:29:000:29:02

And it was a great experience in my life.

0:29:020:29:05

Best not to take any of the rooms upstairs,

0:29:050:29:08

because they all have memories of Cecily.

0:29:080:29:11

John, please, we have to talk about this.

0:29:110:29:13

-You can't live in a mansion...

-Don't sit in that chair!

0:29:130:29:15

Cecily used to sit in that chair.

0:29:150:29:17

It's like sitting on a memory.

0:29:170:29:19

John, please, this is...

0:29:190:29:20

Don't sit on that chair!

0:29:200:29:23

She used to put her feet on that chair

0:29:230:29:24

when she sat in that chair.

0:29:240:29:26

She was a very long girl.

0:29:260:29:29

JAZZ PLAYING

0:29:290:29:32

At that time, Jack Rollins and Charles Joffe

0:29:340:29:39

had a management business,

0:29:390:29:40

and they were the Rolls-Royce of management.

0:29:400:29:44

They were the ones that everybody wanted to go with.

0:29:440:29:46

And Woody said, would Charlie and I

0:29:460:29:51

be interested in him as a writer?

0:29:510:29:53

And I explained to him

0:29:530:29:55

that we had never handled writers as such.

0:29:550:29:59

We handled actors and personalities.

0:29:590:30:02

Well, we asked him to read something that he did.

0:30:020:30:06

And Jack and I thought he was hilarious.

0:30:060:30:10

He had never performed in his life.

0:30:100:30:12

And both of us just jumped and said,

0:30:120:30:17

"Don't let this guy out of the office."

0:30:170:30:19

The writing was fine, but he wanted me to be a comic.

0:30:190:30:22

He just felt I could be a comic.

0:30:220:30:24

Woody never dreamed of being a comic.

0:30:240:30:28

He was a writer.

0:30:280:30:30

And it was not easy.

0:30:300:30:33

And he said to me, and I remember this so clearly,

0:30:330:30:35

he said, "Do me a favour, just trust me.

0:30:350:30:39

"You just work and don't think about it,

0:30:390:30:44

"and let me think about it.

0:30:440:30:46

"Do what I tell you.

0:30:460:30:48

"And let's look up in a year and see where you are."

0:30:480:30:52

If you take my advice, I think you're going to become

0:30:520:30:55

one of the great balloon-folding acts of all time,

0:30:550:30:57

really, cos I don't see you

0:30:570:30:59

just folding these balloons in joints.

0:30:590:31:00

You know, you're going to - you listen to me,

0:31:000:31:02

you're going to fold these balloons

0:31:020:31:03

at universities and colleges.

0:31:030:31:05

You're going to - you're going to make

0:31:050:31:06

your snail and your elephant on Broadway.

0:31:060:31:09

You know what I mean? But the thing to remember is

0:31:090:31:11

before you go out on stage,

0:31:110:31:12

you got to look in the mirror,

0:31:120:31:14

you got to say your three S's -

0:31:140:31:15

star, smile, strong.

0:31:150:31:18

Star, smile, strong.

0:31:180:31:21

When you looked at the popular comedians of the time,

0:31:210:31:23

Mort Sahl was completely influential for Woody.

0:31:230:31:26

He was just amazing.

0:31:260:31:30

Everything about him was different,

0:31:300:31:33

the way he dressed, the way he spoke, his vocabulary,

0:31:330:31:39

and the references were all the things

0:31:390:31:42

that everybody was truly interested in -

0:31:420:31:45

artistic things and politics

0:31:450:31:48

and the flourishing of psychotherapy at the time,

0:31:480:31:51

and everything was so fresh and brilliant.

0:31:510:31:54

Oh, Richard Nixon's trip to Russia.

0:31:540:31:57

He's going to Russia, and he said

0:31:570:31:59

he hopes he gets along with them, and so...

0:31:590:32:02

Actually, you know, if he doesn't get along with them,

0:32:020:32:04

he'll kind of be in trouble, because, you know, you can't -

0:32:040:32:06

he can't call anybody a Communist

0:32:060:32:07

and hurt their career over there, you know.

0:32:070:32:09

LAUGHTER

0:32:090:32:11

CHEERS AND APPLAUSE

0:32:110:32:14

Sahl was the light that goes off with an idea for Woody.

0:32:140:32:16

He'd say, "Oh, you know, gee.

0:32:160:32:18

"This might be something that I can do.

0:32:180:32:20

"I can't be Mort Sahl, but I can do what Mort Sahl does.

0:32:200:32:23

"I can engage the audience in a different way than I've -

0:32:230:32:25

"than I've seen it before."

0:32:250:32:26

The first night I ever worked as a comic

0:32:260:32:29

was at the Blue Angel.

0:32:290:32:31

One day somebody said, "There's a kid appearing -

0:32:310:32:35

"there's a lot of talk about him,

0:32:350:32:36

"at the Blue Angel in New York" -

0:32:360:32:38

it's one of the great chic old nightclubs of New York fame -

0:32:380:32:41

"And why don't you go check him out?"

0:32:410:32:43

I didn't know what to expect, and I went to the Blue Angel,

0:32:430:32:45

and this somewhat gnomish man came out, and he began to talk.

0:32:450:32:49

And I realised, as line after line after line went by,

0:32:490:32:54

each of these is better

0:32:540:32:55

than any line any comic in the business has.

0:32:550:32:58

And the audience began to talk among themselves.

0:32:580:33:03

That's how it was, and there was a comedian on stage.

0:33:030:33:06

I wanted to kill them.

0:33:060:33:07

He was so shy.

0:33:070:33:09

He was so unused to being in front of an audience

0:33:090:33:13

that he would tie the mic cord around his neck.

0:33:130:33:16

He would frighten people.

0:33:160:33:17

They thought he would choke himself.

0:33:170:33:20

He was a non-performer.

0:33:200:33:22

He could hardly talk to people,

0:33:220:33:25

never mind perform for them.

0:33:250:33:27

And some nights he was god-awful,

0:33:270:33:30

but other nights he was absolutely brilliant.

0:33:300:33:33

I must pause for one fast second

0:33:330:33:35

and say a fast word about oral contraception.

0:33:350:33:37

LAUGHTER

0:33:370:33:40

I was involved in an extremely good example

0:33:400:33:44

of oral contraception two weeks ago.

0:33:440:33:47

I asked a girl to go to bed with me and she said, "No."

0:33:470:33:50

LAUGHTER

0:33:500:33:55

If you're a joke maker, it's hard not to make jokes.

0:34:000:34:04

Do you know what I mean?

0:34:040:34:06

Like, I'm always amazed when I see somebody

0:34:060:34:08

that can draw a horse.

0:34:080:34:10

I can't figure out how they can possibly do it,

0:34:100:34:13

because, you know, they actually reproduce the horse

0:34:130:34:15

with a pencil and paper, and it's terrific.

0:34:150:34:17

Now, I can't draw a horse or anything else,

0:34:170:34:20

but I can write jokes,

0:34:200:34:23

and it's hard not to write them.

0:34:230:34:25

I mean, if I walk down the street, it's almost -

0:34:250:34:27

it's like my normal conversation.

0:34:270:34:29

You know, it just comes out that way.

0:34:290:34:32

Do you know what I mean?

0:34:320:34:34

I played the Blue Angel and played some places,

0:34:340:34:37

and then someone told me about this place

0:34:370:34:40

called the Bitter End on Bleecker Street.

0:34:400:34:42

I opened the Bitter End in 1961.

0:34:420:34:45

It was located on Bleecker Street

0:34:450:34:48

near West Broadway.

0:34:480:34:50

The uptown clubs were completely different.

0:34:500:34:52

In the Village, there was just coffee shop kinds of places,

0:34:520:34:55

and the acts that were starting to happen were the folk acts.

0:34:550:34:58

Peter, Paul and Mary, of course, broke it wide open.

0:34:580:35:00

The Village in the '60s was the time

0:35:000:35:03

when sort of everything was happening.

0:35:030:35:05

It was a time when the Beats were very popular.

0:35:050:35:09

The pill came along.

0:35:090:35:12

The mixing of the races was starting there,

0:35:120:35:14

and Kennedy was elected.

0:35:140:35:16

And the Village was sparked like it hadn't been since the 1920s.

0:35:160:35:21

And some nights they'd play my club

0:35:210:35:23

and run down over to another club.

0:35:230:35:26

There were four or five different ones.

0:35:260:35:28

You didn't get paid, but you had a place to work.

0:35:280:35:32

And I would go down there every night with Jack and do my act.

0:35:320:35:36

Jack says, "Wait till you see him,"

0:35:360:35:38

and he went on, and he didn't make it at all.

0:35:380:35:43

Nobody understood. They didn't get it.

0:35:430:35:46

And then Jack came over, and he said,

0:35:460:35:48

"See? He's an industry!"

0:35:480:35:49

That was the first three words Jack said

0:35:490:35:52

when he came off the stage.

0:35:520:35:54

"He's an industry."

0:35:540:35:56

Pretty soon, it became apparent

0:35:560:35:58

that he was a completely unique

0:35:580:36:01

new face and a voice on the scene.

0:36:010:36:06

For the first year of marriage, I had what you would call

0:36:060:36:10

a bad basic attitude toward my wife.

0:36:100:36:12

I tended to place my wife underneath a pedestal

0:36:120:36:15

all the time.

0:36:150:36:17

And we used to argue and fight,

0:36:170:36:20

and we finally decided that we would either

0:36:200:36:22

take a vacation in Bermuda or get a divorce,

0:36:220:36:25

one of the two things.

0:36:250:36:26

And we discussed it very maturely,

0:36:260:36:28

and we decided finally on the divorce,

0:36:280:36:30

cos we felt that we had a limited amount of money

0:36:300:36:33

to spend on something, and that a vacation in Bermuda

0:36:330:36:37

is over in two weeks, you know,

0:36:370:36:39

but a divorce is something that you always have, you know, so...

0:36:390:36:43

But it turns out, in New York State,

0:36:430:36:45

they have a very funny law

0:36:450:36:47

that says you can't get a divorce

0:36:470:36:49

unless you can prove adultery.

0:36:490:36:52

And that's very strange, because the Ten Commandments say,

0:36:520:36:54

"Thou shalt not commit adultery."

0:36:540:36:57

But New York State says you have to.

0:36:570:37:00

LAUGHTER

0:37:000:37:03

CHEERS AND APPLAUSE

0:37:030:37:06

I said, "Is it hard for you?"

0:37:080:37:10

He said he was suffering doing this act.

0:37:100:37:13

He was not a performer, really.

0:37:130:37:15

He vomited a few times, he said,

0:37:150:37:18

without any trace of humour in delivering that line,

0:37:180:37:21

that it really was hard.

0:37:210:37:23

Charlie and I would have to literally

0:37:230:37:28

shove him onto the stage

0:37:280:37:30

to do his little act.

0:37:300:37:33

I kept saying, "I'm not funny. I'm not a comic."

0:37:330:37:36

You know, "I can't do this.

0:37:360:37:38

"I hate it. I don't like the hours.

0:37:380:37:40

"I'm shy, and, you know, I don't like standing in front of an audience."

0:37:400:37:44

I mean, there was nothing about it I liked.

0:37:440:37:45

I mean, I kept saying, "I want to quit. I want to quit."

0:37:450:37:48

And Jack said, "Give it a little time, a little time."

0:37:480:37:51

I think his common sense told him that if he breaks through

0:37:510:37:56

on the level of the performer,

0:37:560:37:59

it will be a useful thing for him.

0:37:590:38:03

And then one night, he just bounded up on the stage,

0:38:030:38:07

and it was Woody.

0:38:070:38:09

He told the same jokes, and they worked.

0:38:090:38:12

And the audience really liked it.

0:38:120:38:15

The telephone company has this service

0:38:150:38:17

for emotionally disturbed types called Dial-a-Prayer.

0:38:170:38:20

LAUGHTER

0:38:200:38:22

They have a number that you dial if you are an atheist,

0:38:220:38:24

and you don't hear anything on the other end of the phone.

0:38:240:38:27

LAUGHTER

0:38:270:38:30

When Woody was there about four or six weeks,

0:38:330:38:35

there was an article in the Times saying,

0:38:350:38:39

"You gotta come down to the Bitter End.

0:38:390:38:41

"You gotta see this new performer. He's great."

0:38:410:38:44

And he raved about him.

0:38:440:38:46

It was the first great review

0:38:460:38:48

that Woody got from the New York Times.

0:38:480:38:50

I was real excited about it.

0:38:500:38:52

There were lines outside the block

0:38:520:38:54

that went all the way down to McDougal Street.

0:38:540:38:56

Newspapers started to become interested in me

0:38:560:38:59

and send reporters down to do stories,

0:38:590:39:02

and other nightclub owners would come and watch

0:39:020:39:05

and book me for places,

0:39:050:39:08

and television people would come down and book me on the TV shows.

0:39:080:39:11

I was kidnapped once.

0:39:110:39:13

Listen to this story.

0:39:130:39:15

I was standing by my schoolyard,

0:39:150:39:18

and a black sedan pulled up, and two guys got out,

0:39:180:39:22

and they asked me if I wanted to go away with them

0:39:220:39:24

to a land where everybody was fairies and elves and...

0:39:240:39:27

I could have all the comic books I wanted

0:39:270:39:29

and Tootsie Rolls and chocolate buttons

0:39:290:39:32

and wax lips, you know, and...

0:39:320:39:35

I said yes.

0:39:350:39:38

I got into their car with them,

0:39:380:39:39

you know, because - I figured, "What the heck?"

0:39:390:39:41

You know, I was home that weekend from college anyhow.

0:39:410:39:43

LAUGHTER

0:39:430:39:46

CHEERS AND APPLAUSE

0:39:460:39:48

He had a heavy television exposure,

0:39:480:39:52

and that, of course, is what builds national figures.

0:39:520:39:56

LAUGHTER

0:39:560:39:59

In terms of those jobs, nothing was beneath me.

0:40:020:40:06

I boxed a kangaroo.

0:40:060:40:09

I sang Little Sir Echo with a talking dog.

0:40:110:40:15

# Little Sir Echo, how do you do?

0:40:150:40:19

# Hello

0:40:190:40:20

WHINES # Hell-hello

0:40:200:40:23

WHINES

0:40:230:40:25

He sang in rehearsal.

0:40:250:40:27

'This was part of Jack Rollins' game plan,

0:40:270:40:29

'cos Jack's theory was'

0:40:290:40:32

to saturate the country with me as much as he could,

0:40:320:40:35

so I would be a household name.

0:40:350:40:37

Once he was on a prime-time show starring Perry Como,

0:40:370:40:41

and it was a big production number,

0:40:410:40:44

and as the scene opened, "Woody" was spelled in 15-foot letters

0:40:440:40:50

in the background, backlighted,

0:40:500:40:52

and he came on in tails and twirling a cane and top hat.

0:40:520:40:56

And I remember his saying,

0:40:560:40:58

"I thought I would have a heart attack backstage

0:40:580:41:01

"before going on."

0:41:010:41:03

# Now here you certainly are

0:41:030:41:06

# Yes, now when I dash along the boulevard... #

0:41:060:41:09

'And I remember the columnist Jack O'Brian,

0:41:090:41:13

'who was a huge, huge supporter of mine,'

0:41:130:41:16

he said, "You know, we always use superlatives

0:41:160:41:20

"when we write about Woody.

0:41:200:41:21

"And I've got to say he is the worst singer

0:41:210:41:24

"that I've ever heard in my life."

0:41:240:41:26

And I'm sure I was, because - but it didn't matter.

0:41:260:41:32

This was all part of what Jack wanted.

0:41:320:41:37

He wanted me to seep into the pores of the multitude.

0:41:370:41:43

And he did that for a few years

0:41:430:41:45

and was making good success at it,

0:41:450:41:47

and he became very popular on The Tonight Show.

0:41:470:41:49

Johnny Carson loved him.

0:41:490:41:50

He performed on there many times,

0:41:500:41:52

was the guest host on a number of occasions,

0:41:520:41:54

and then also began appearing with Dick Cavett on his show on ABC.

0:41:540:41:58

And what's wonderful about those shows was

0:41:580:42:01

you could see that the two of them knew and liked each other

0:42:010:42:04

and really enjoyed playing off the other.

0:42:040:42:06

I would always grin

0:42:060:42:08

when I could look and see him in the wings

0:42:080:42:10

about to come out, cos I knew we were going to have fun.

0:42:100:42:12

And he did seem to enjoy doing the show.

0:42:120:42:15

LAUGHTER AND APPLAUSE

0:42:150:42:19

All right.

0:42:250:42:26

Woody's improv skill deserves to be legendary.

0:42:260:42:30

And on the air, I would throw something at Woody

0:42:300:42:34

and dare him to give examples of something,

0:42:340:42:37

and he would instantly go into something that ranked

0:42:370:42:40

with the very best of Second City's vaunted improvisers.

0:42:400:42:43

The British in India invented the game called poona.

0:42:430:42:47

Ah, I've played it.

0:42:470:42:49

Well, then good, because the question is,

0:42:490:42:51

is the game still played? And if so, how?

0:42:510:42:54

Um, it requires two consenting adults to play the game.

0:42:540:42:58

LAUGHTER

0:42:580:42:59

And one is the pooner, and one is the poonee.

0:42:590:43:03

APPLAUSE

0:43:030:43:06

I don't know if we need to go on with this or not.

0:43:090:43:11

You spin a dial,

0:43:110:43:13

and you can advance two squares if you like,

0:43:130:43:16

and you have to yell out, "Poonee! Poonee!"

0:43:160:43:19

And then they give you paper money,

0:43:190:43:21

or "scrip", as it's called.

0:43:210:43:23

And then you smear butter on the person you're playing with

0:43:230:43:26

and recite the word "nutmeg" seven times.

0:43:260:43:29

-CAVETT LAUGHS

-That's uncanny.

0:43:290:43:31

Yes. First one to reach the - the poonatorium is the winner.

0:43:310:43:36

LAUGHTER

0:43:360:43:38

It was just brilliant, and he could do that anywhere, any time.

0:43:380:43:43

Who was the first movie star that you met?

0:43:430:43:46

Can you remember?

0:43:460:43:47

Uh, yes.

0:43:470:43:49

I met Trigger,

0:43:490:43:51

who was Roy Rogers' horse, at a party.

0:43:510:43:55

Actually, I picked him up at a party,

0:43:550:43:57

and we had an ongoing relationship

0:43:570:43:59

for two years after that, which I'm very proud of.

0:43:590:44:03

Did you ever meet Roy Rogers at that time?

0:44:030:44:05

No, I had no interest in meeting Roy Rogers.

0:44:050:44:07

But I loved living with his horse.

0:44:070:44:11

But what about the smell?

0:44:130:44:15

He didn't mind that so much.

0:44:150:44:17

There was one time

0:44:190:44:20

I had a show that was mostly Woody,

0:44:200:44:22

and then the great Ruth Gordon came out, in her 70s.

0:44:220:44:26

And as a surprise, Gina Lollobrigida appeared,

0:44:260:44:30

looking glamorous.

0:44:300:44:31

-Do you know Mr Allen?

-He's very funny.

0:44:310:44:34

Thank you. I was just figuring out... LAUGHTER

0:44:340:44:37

I was just sitting here trying to figure which -

0:44:370:44:39

how are we going to split 'em up, you know - who gets which one?

0:44:390:44:41

CHEERS AND APPLAUSE

0:44:410:44:45

How Woody got into the movies was, when he was playing

0:44:450:44:49

the Blue Angel, we had a lot of stars come in to see him.

0:44:490:44:54

Shirley Maclaine brought in a friend of hers,

0:44:540:44:59

Charles K Feldman,

0:44:590:45:00

who was one of the all-time

0:45:000:45:03

Hollywood motion picture producers.

0:45:030:45:05

So the great Charles K Feldman

0:45:050:45:07

was very taken with Woody's work,

0:45:070:45:10

you know, wisely.

0:45:100:45:12

And the next thing I knew, Monday morning,

0:45:120:45:15

they offered me 20,000 to write

0:45:150:45:20

the script of "What's New Pussycat?"

0:45:200:45:24

I wrote it and wrote a small part for myself in it.

0:45:240:45:27

That was his first entrance into motion picture world.

0:45:270:45:32

Yeah.

0:45:340:45:36

-Absinthe.

-Coffee.

0:45:360:45:38

Mineral water.

0:45:380:45:40

Did you find a job?

0:45:400:45:42

Yeah, I got something at the striptease.

0:45:420:45:44

I help the girls dress and undress.

0:45:440:45:46

Nice job.

0:45:460:45:47

20 francs a week.

0:45:470:45:48

Not very much.

0:45:480:45:50

It's all I can afford.

0:45:500:45:51

They hired a very lovely director, Clive Donner,

0:45:530:45:58

a very nice man and good director, to do it,

0:45:580:46:01

but the studio would not leave him alone.

0:46:010:46:04

They had their hand in every pie,

0:46:040:46:07

and so they were taking my script and mangling it.

0:46:070:46:13

There are places where Woody shines through,

0:46:130:46:15

but his work, which had always been successful,

0:46:150:46:18

was suddenly in the hands of someone else.

0:46:180:46:20

He had no leverage whatsoever in what went on.

0:46:200:46:25

And he found that the script that he had presented

0:46:250:46:28

had turned into this antic farce that was just really

0:46:280:46:32

the antithesis of Woody's comedy.

0:46:320:46:34

I have often said that if I could've directed that,

0:46:340:46:39

you know, it would've been

0:46:390:46:41

a much, much, much funnier picture

0:46:410:46:44

but made much less money.

0:46:440:46:46

The film was so financially successful

0:46:460:46:49

that I think it was the greatest,

0:46:490:46:51

biggest-grossing comedy to that date.

0:46:510:46:53

It was a boring picture, as I recall.

0:46:530:46:55

I rather enjoyed it.

0:46:550:46:56

Yes, but you're mistaken.

0:46:560:46:58

Charlie Joffe kept saying,

0:46:580:46:59

"You know, settle down, settle down.

0:46:590:47:01

"You're acting in a movie,

0:47:010:47:02

"you're getting your credit on this,

0:47:020:47:03

"you're going to be able to go forward from this."

0:47:030:47:05

I knew Woody was going to continue

0:47:050:47:07

to make films after that experience.

0:47:070:47:10

And I knew it was not going to be for Charles Feldman.

0:47:100:47:13

I mean, I didn't even go see it.

0:47:130:47:15

I just was so angry at the whole thing,

0:47:150:47:18

vowed never to work in movies again

0:47:180:47:21

unless I could be the director

0:47:210:47:22

and have control, not just the director.

0:47:220:47:24

And the great lesson that came out of that

0:47:240:47:27

was the sense of, nobody was ever

0:47:270:47:29

going to mess with his stuff again.

0:47:290:47:30

The next thing I did was,

0:47:300:47:32

I wrote a script with my school friend Mickey Rose

0:47:320:47:36

for Take The Money And Run.

0:47:360:47:37

The only way I wanted to get it on was me directing that.

0:47:370:47:42

At that time, I knew nothing about producing,

0:47:420:47:45

so I wanted to learn to do it so we could control it,

0:47:450:47:49

keep the control as close to us as we could.

0:47:490:47:53

And Jack was instrumental in making a deal for him

0:47:530:47:57

after that, where he didn't spend a lot of money

0:47:570:48:00

but he had control of the film.

0:48:000:48:02

We sold 'em the idea that if you want Woody,

0:48:020:48:05

you must understand how to work with him,

0:48:050:48:09

which is, leave him alone.

0:48:090:48:12

He's doing the movie and he's doing it his way,

0:48:120:48:15

and nobody is going to ask questions,

0:48:150:48:18

and nobody is going to interfere with him

0:48:180:48:20

and get him tripped up in any way.

0:48:200:48:23

He wants no contact with anybody.

0:48:230:48:25

That's what we got in our contract.

0:48:250:48:29

LAUGHING

0:48:310:48:34

He was going the next day to direct his very first thing,

0:48:340:48:39

and he was nervous about it.

0:48:390:48:40

And I walk into the bedroom, and he's sitting on the bed,

0:48:400:48:43

you know, with legs up, how you sit on the bed and read?

0:48:430:48:46

And on the front of the book it says, "How To Direct."

0:48:460:48:51

I didn't know the first thing about filmmaking or -

0:48:510:48:54

not the first thing. I knew this, though,

0:48:540:48:56

that it was going to be a pseudo-documentary in style.

0:48:560:48:59

So I had a structure to hang on to right from the start.

0:48:590:49:03

-NARRATOR:

-Virgil steals to pay for cello lessons.

0:49:030:49:05

And although he does not achieve greatness on the instrument,

0:49:050:49:08

he is soon good enough to play in a local band.

0:49:080:49:11

Take The Money And Run

0:49:230:49:24

I saw when I was in the army.

0:49:240:49:27

It was playing on the base.

0:49:270:49:28

And, of course, I had just been through like the worst hell

0:49:280:49:32

I'd ever been through in my life.

0:49:320:49:33

Like six, I can't even -

0:49:330:49:35

like, they were firing bullets over my head,

0:49:350:49:37

I was crawling on the ground, I was in basic training.

0:49:370:49:38

So, all of a sudden, we get this break

0:49:380:49:41

that we can go to the movies.

0:49:410:49:43

You know, after being in the army

0:49:430:49:46

and going to see that movie,

0:49:460:49:47

it was the most exhilarating,

0:49:470:49:50

amazing experience to just be able

0:49:500:49:52

to sit there and laugh like that

0:49:520:49:54

after the hell that I'd been through.

0:49:540:49:55

And I always thought that, "Oh, boy."

0:49:550:49:58

And I thought, "Boy, I got a connection to this guy."

0:49:580:50:01

What does this say?

0:50:070:50:10

Ahem! Can't you read that?

0:50:100:50:12

I can't read this. What's this? "Act natural"?

0:50:120:50:16

No, it says,

0:50:160:50:19

"Please put 50,000 into this bag and act natural."

0:50:190:50:21

It does say "act natural."

0:50:210:50:25

"I am pointing a gun at you."

0:50:250:50:28

That looks like "gub."

0:50:280:50:30

That doesn't look like "gun."

0:50:300:50:32

No, it's "gun."

0:50:320:50:33

No, that's "gub." That's a "b."

0:50:330:50:36

No. See, that's an "n." It's g-u-n.

0:50:360:50:38

It's "gun."

0:50:380:50:40

George, would you

0:50:400:50:42

step over here a moment, please?

0:50:420:50:43

What does this say?

0:50:430:50:47

"Please put 50,000

0:50:470:50:50

"into this bag and abt natural."

0:50:500:50:53

-What's "abt"?

-It's "act."

0:50:530:50:55

Does this - does this look like "gub" or "gun"?

0:50:550:50:58

"Gun."

0:50:580:51:00

-See?

-But what's "abt" mean?

0:51:000:51:02

It's "act," a-c-t. "Act natural."

0:51:020:51:04

Please put 50,000 into this bag.

0:51:040:51:07

Act natural.

0:51:070:51:09

Oh, I see.

0:51:090:51:10

-This is a hold-up?

-Yes.

0:51:100:51:12

May I see your gun?

0:51:120:51:14

Oh.

0:51:140:51:16

Well, you'll have to have this note

0:51:180:51:20

initialled by one of our vice presidents

0:51:200:51:22

before I can give you any money.

0:51:220:51:24

Take The Money And Run was financed by Palomar Pictures,

0:51:260:51:28

which was a division of the ABC television network.

0:51:280:51:31

And when it was finished, the executives looked at it

0:51:310:51:34

and didn't know what to make of the film.

0:51:340:51:36

And Woody said that when he was screening

0:51:360:51:38

Take The Money And Run for the executives,

0:51:380:51:41

that after ten minutes of the first reel,

0:51:410:51:44

one of the executives leaned to him

0:51:440:51:46

and said, "Is the rest like this?"

0:51:460:51:48

When we showed it to Palomar,

0:51:480:51:51

they suggested bringing in Ralph Rosenblum to help me.

0:51:510:51:56

Ralph was a wonderful editor.

0:51:560:51:59

And he came in and saw it

0:51:590:52:00

and looked at all the stuff I had taken out

0:52:000:52:04

and said, "You gotta put all that stuff back.

0:52:040:52:07

"All that stuff is funny. Why did you take it out?"

0:52:070:52:10

And I said, "Well, you know."

0:52:100:52:12

He said, "You can't go, you gotta give it a fighting chance.

0:52:120:52:14

"Put it in, put a piece of music behind it.

0:52:140:52:17

"Show it to an audience of people."

0:52:170:52:20

So we did, and Ralph was right.

0:52:200:52:23

And the picture played very well.

0:52:230:52:26

And it opened and was very successful, right off the bat.

0:52:260:52:32

And the film launched my career.

0:52:320:52:34

So from my first movie on, Take The Money And Run,

0:52:340:52:38

when I certainly had done nothing

0:52:380:52:41

to earn complete control, nothing,

0:52:410:52:44

I had complete control,

0:52:440:52:46

and have never done a movie in my life

0:52:460:52:48

where I didn't have complete control of it.

0:52:480:52:50

When Woody set his sights on play writing,

0:52:500:52:53

he enjoyed great success with his very first stage comedy,

0:52:530:52:56

called Don't Drink The Water, on Broadway,

0:52:560:52:58

starring Lou Jacobi, who later turned up in some of his films.

0:52:580:53:02

It had a good run.

0:53:020:53:04

And in it, playing the young romantic lead,

0:53:040:53:07

was an actor named Tony Roberts whom Woody befriended

0:53:070:53:10

and also cast in his next play,

0:53:100:53:13

which was Play It Again, Sam, in which Woody starred.

0:53:130:53:16

# You must remember this... #

0:53:160:53:19

It was a little

0:53:190:53:21

stage play that - that I wrote many years ago,

0:53:210:53:25

mostly to give myself an opportunity

0:53:250:53:28

to appear on stage.

0:53:280:53:29

The fact that they asked me

0:53:290:53:31

to play the movie a couple years later,

0:53:310:53:33

that was fine and a nice opportunity for me.

0:53:330:53:35

I was very fortunate that Herb Ross directed it

0:53:350:53:38

and did a very good job on it.

0:53:380:53:39

I'm 29!

0:53:390:53:41

The height of my sexual potency was ten years ago.

0:53:410:53:44

Oh, Allen,

0:53:440:53:45

look at the bright side.

0:53:450:53:47

You're free.

0:53:470:53:48

You'll go out. There'll be girls.

0:53:480:53:50

You'll go to parties and have affairs with married women,

0:53:500:53:53

sexual relations with girls of every race, creed and colour.

0:53:530:53:56

Oh, you get tired of that.

0:53:580:54:00

Because we were acting together in the play,

0:54:000:54:03

we bonded, and we got to be friends and became close.

0:54:030:54:07

And of course, Keaton was a large part of that.

0:54:070:54:11

# This is the dawning of the Age of Aquarius... #

0:54:110:54:14

Diane had been in Hair

0:54:140:54:16

right before we started rehearsals

0:54:160:54:18

for Play It Again, Sam.

0:54:180:54:20

And I was very impressed with that.

0:54:200:54:22

I remember that Diane was the only one

0:54:220:54:25

who wouldn't take off her clothes.

0:54:250:54:28

CHUCKLES

0:54:280:54:30

I was sent up for Play It Again, Sam

0:54:300:54:32

and I auditioned, along with a lot of young New York actresses.

0:54:320:54:35

And that's what I did, I read.

0:54:350:54:37

And I got the part.

0:54:370:54:39

At the time, they were concerned

0:54:390:54:41

because I might be too tall for Woody.

0:54:410:54:45

So I got up on stage and we did that back-to-back thing

0:54:450:54:48

that kids do at birthday parties,

0:54:480:54:50

and we were just about the same height.

0:54:500:54:52

And we looked at a number of other women during the week,

0:54:520:54:55

but Keaton was in a class by herself.

0:54:550:54:59

What I remember about Woody

0:54:590:55:00

was that he was short, and he was cute.

0:55:000:55:05

And that's what I remembered about Woody on that day,

0:55:050:55:08

was just that, "Oh, my God, he is..."

0:55:080:55:11

I - you know, I just had a big crush, instantly.

0:55:110:55:15

The three of us had a good time together.

0:55:150:55:19

We got along very well. We had a lot of fun.

0:55:190:55:22

One of the things that I always remember

0:55:220:55:24

is that, you know, Woody seemed to have

0:55:240:55:26

no discipline onstage.

0:55:260:55:27

And he would sometimes do his impression of James Earl Jones

0:55:270:55:31

while we were supposed to be doing it during a matinee,

0:55:310:55:33

and I would crack up and destroy the scene.

0:55:330:55:36

That was always a lot of fun,

0:55:360:55:38

and we would hang out and eat dinner together,

0:55:380:55:40

and that's how I really got to know him.

0:55:400:55:41

My game plan was really to force Woody to like me.

0:55:410:55:46

So I was always plotting and scheming about how he could grow

0:55:460:55:49

to see me as an attractive woman.

0:55:490:55:51

I was always directing my attentions

0:55:510:55:53

to "How can I make him like me more?"

0:55:530:55:55

Now, tell her she has the most irresistible eyes

0:55:550:55:58

you've ever seen.

0:55:580:56:00

You have the most eyes

0:56:030:56:05

I've ever seen on any person.

0:56:050:56:07

Allen, your hand is trembling.

0:56:070:56:09

"That's because you're near."

0:56:090:56:11

-Pardon me?

-Tell her that.

0:56:110:56:13

That's because you're near.

0:56:150:56:17

LAUGHS

0:56:170:56:18

Oh, you really know what to say, don't you?

0:56:180:56:21

Now, tell her that you've met a lot of dames,

0:56:210:56:24

but she is really something special.

0:56:240:56:27

Oh, that she won't believe.

0:56:270:56:29

Oh, no?

0:56:290:56:31

I have met a lot of dames,

0:56:330:56:35

but you are really something special.

0:56:350:56:39

-Really?

-She bought it.

0:56:390:56:42

It was obvious that he was crazy about her, on all levels.

0:56:420:56:47

You could see that happening, absolutely,

0:56:470:56:50

especially when I stopped being asked to dinner.

0:56:500:56:54

She was always beautiful and incredibly gifted.

0:56:540:56:57

We went out together, and we lived together for a while.

0:56:570:57:01

She's remained a very close friend of mine to this day.

0:57:010:57:04

I worked it, you know.

0:57:040:57:05

I really worked trying to get him to fall in love with me.

0:57:050:57:08

He didn't quite fall in love with me,

0:57:080:57:09

but I was around a lot.

0:57:090:57:11

And we made a good team.

0:57:110:57:13

We were a good team.

0:57:130:57:16

David Picker was President,

0:57:160:57:18

Arthur Krim, Chairman of the board of United Artists.

0:57:180:57:21

And this man came and introduced himself.

0:57:210:57:24

It was David Picker.

0:57:240:57:26

And he said, "I want Woody to make pictures for my company."

0:57:260:57:30

I said, "Great." He said, "What will it take?"

0:57:300:57:33

I said, "Put 2 million in a paper bag,

0:57:330:57:37

"give it to us and go away, and we'll bring you a picture."

0:57:370:57:42

And I said, "And do that three times."

0:57:420:57:44

And he said, "You got a deal."

0:57:440:57:48

And it was that simple.

0:57:480:57:50

Come back, back, back.

0:57:500:57:52

More, more, more. Back, back.

0:57:520:57:54

CRASH!

0:57:540:57:56

I play a character who lives in New York

0:57:560:57:58

who works as a tester of products.

0:57:580:58:00

I test new products to see if they're safe for the public.

0:58:000:58:04

We can show you how you turn it out.

0:58:040:58:06

We can show you how you can save money...

0:58:060:58:08

Oh, boy, I'd like to do that over.

0:58:080:58:10

I go to a Latin American country,

0:58:100:58:12

and through a circuitous series of events,

0:58:120:58:14

I become the leader of that country during a revolution.

0:58:140:58:17

EXPLOSION

0:58:170:58:19

And come back to the United States,

0:58:190:58:20

bearded and well tanned and ebullient,

0:58:200:58:24

and I get into a lot of trouble

0:58:240:58:26

with the American government as a result.

0:58:260:58:27

I am Mr Hernandez, the official interpreter.

0:58:270:58:31

Welcome to the United States.

0:58:310:58:33

Welcome to United State.

0:58:330:58:35

Thank you.

0:58:350:58:36

Thank you.

0:58:360:58:37

Did you have a good flight?

0:58:370:58:39

Did you have a good flight?

0:58:390:58:40

Yes, I did.

0:58:400:58:41

Yes, I did.

0:58:410:58:43

Woody's love interest in Bananas

0:58:430:58:45

was his second ex-wife, Louise Lasser -

0:58:450:58:47

a very funny woman.

0:58:470:58:50

They were married on Groundhog's Day in 1966,

0:58:500:58:53

but by the time they got to making the movie,

0:58:530:58:56

they were still friends,

0:58:560:58:57

but they had been divorced for some time.

0:58:570:58:59

For me, Louise was something that stepped out of a fantasy.

0:58:590:59:05

Hi.

0:59:050:59:06

'She was a beautiful young girl, very gifted.

0:59:060:59:09

'It was just overwhelming to me.'

0:59:090:59:12

She was such a captivating figure.

0:59:120:59:14

She was very funny. She had a nice laugh.

0:59:140:59:16

She was pretty, sexy,

0:59:160:59:18

and she, you know, was perfect.

0:59:180:59:20

You know, I was just saying to someone the other day

0:59:200:59:23

that the Scandinavians seem to have

0:59:230:59:25

such an instinctive feel for the human condition.

0:59:250:59:27

It's very wise, you know.

0:59:270:59:29

That's, I think, pithy.

0:59:290:59:31

Oh, well, it was pithy.

0:59:310:59:34

It had great pith.

0:59:340:59:38

Yeth. Pith.

0:59:380:59:41

Pith.

0:59:410:59:42

I remember I had periods of time where I couldn't sleep.

0:59:420:59:45

And I would get, like, really bored.

0:59:450:59:48

I would go crazy, and he would just sleep.

0:59:480:59:51

And I would think, "I can't believe this.

0:59:510:59:54

"Here, I'm with America's foremost humorist,

0:59:541:00:00

"and I can't sleep, and I'm bored," like that.

1:00:001:00:03

And I would just nudge him and go, you know,

1:00:031:00:06

"Woody, Woody, wake up, I'm bored.

1:00:061:00:09

"Say something funny."

1:00:091:00:10

We never worked together while we were married,

1:00:101:00:13

because we felt that it would ruin the marriage.

1:00:131:00:17

LAUGHTER

1:00:171:00:20

So, now that we've been divorced for a year,

1:00:201:00:23

we felt that we could work together,

1:00:231:00:26

and, of course, I got her much cheaper.

1:00:261:00:27

MOANING I love you. I love you.

1:00:271:00:30

Oh, say it in French.

1:00:301:00:31

-Oh, please, say it in French.

-I don't know French.

1:00:311:00:34

Oh, please? Please?

1:00:341:00:36

-What about Hebrew?

-Oh.

1:00:361:00:38

If I had to pick, personally, the funniest one,

1:00:381:00:42

I would pick Bananas.

1:00:421:00:44

CHEERS AND APPLAUSE

1:00:441:00:46

Ready, aim, fire!

1:00:461:00:49

GUNSHOT

1:00:491:00:52

Oh, let's see.

1:00:521:00:53

21. Who has 21?

1:00:531:00:54

Ready, aim, fire!

1:01:001:01:03

In December, I'm going to go into production with a film that I wrote

1:01:031:01:06

based on Dr Reuben's book,

1:01:061:01:08

Everything You Always Wanted To Know About Sex, But Were Afraid To Ask.

1:01:081:01:12

I've written a script that can only be described

1:01:121:01:14

as Rabelaisian and...

1:01:141:01:16

What would be another word for it?

1:01:161:01:18

Uh, trashy. LAUGHTER

1:01:181:01:21

It's an exploration of the ins

1:01:211:01:23

and outs, every little nook

1:01:231:01:25

and cranny of our sexual motivations

1:01:251:01:29

and interests, and graphically illustrated.

1:01:291:01:32

It would be sexual relations

1:01:321:01:34

if the Marx Brothers were doing them.

1:01:341:01:35

Hey! We're going to make babies!

1:01:351:01:39

INDISTINCT MURMURING

1:01:401:01:43

Here we go again!

1:01:431:01:44

I'm not going out there!

1:01:441:01:46

I'm not going to get shot out of that thing.

1:01:461:01:48

What if he's masturbating?

1:01:481:01:49

I'm liable to wind up on the ceiling.

1:01:491:01:51

No!

1:01:511:01:52

But in retrospect, I don't think it was a very good idea,

1:01:521:01:55

and would not do it again.

1:01:551:01:57

If I had it to do over, would not do it again.

1:01:571:01:58

Woody Allen was building a fan base at this time

1:01:581:02:01

in the '70s, but he never became,

1:02:011:02:03

you know, a huge box office attraction.

1:02:031:02:06

But he was clever.

1:02:061:02:07

He made his films economically,

1:02:071:02:09

he didn't pay himself very much at all,

1:02:091:02:12

if anything, and he adopted the philosophy

1:02:121:02:15

that if he made the films economically

1:02:151:02:17

and they made even one dollar,

1:02:171:02:18

he'd be given the go-ahead to make another film.

1:02:181:02:21

You know, he's not everyone's taste,

1:02:211:02:23

and never was.

1:02:231:02:24

It's one thing to be appreciated down in the Village

1:02:241:02:26

at the Bitter End and another across the country.

1:02:261:02:29

My working with him professionally

1:02:291:02:30

in being a producer, it still amazes me lots of times

1:02:301:02:34

when people recognise him or know his name,

1:02:341:02:37

because to me he was always my brother.

1:02:371:02:40

No, I think she looks good in the clothes.

1:02:401:02:42

I think this is - this is really good.

1:02:421:02:43

It looks nice.

1:02:431:02:45

When I was born, Woody was eight years old.

1:02:451:02:47

You know, he was a very devoted brother.

1:02:471:02:50

Very - we were always very close,

1:02:501:02:52

you know, and I idolised him.

1:02:521:02:53

She was just a cute little baby girl.

1:02:531:02:56

There was no sense of competition or anything.

1:02:561:02:58

She became a very good friend of mine

1:02:581:03:00

right away and I got along with her swimmingly.

1:03:001:03:05

You were very good to Letty.

1:03:051:03:07

You - when she went to school,

1:03:071:03:09

you used to take her to kindergarten and bring her home.

1:03:091:03:11

That was your baby sister, you adored her.

1:03:111:03:13

He would do a magic act,

1:03:131:03:15

and he put her in the audience as his shill.

1:03:151:03:20

She was, like, three years old.

1:03:201:03:21

So he would do something and she had to say,

1:03:211:03:23

"Look at his right hand. Look at his right hand."

1:03:231:03:26

Cos it would be the left, right? Like that.

1:03:261:03:28

He felt that he wanted

1:03:281:03:30

to expose her to good things

1:03:301:03:33

and he would just take her all around.

1:03:331:03:36

I always found that very touching.

1:03:361:03:39

There's something about that.

1:03:391:03:40

We were in the same - at PS99 -

1:03:401:03:43

the same school a short time

1:03:431:03:44

because he was eight years older than me.

1:03:441:03:46

We'd sneak off and play hooky with any number of people.

1:03:461:03:49

We used to go to the movies in Manhattan.

1:03:491:03:53

That was one of my great joys in life.

1:03:531:03:57

I was aware of some of his truancy.

1:03:571:03:59

I knew because I had been warned by Woody

1:03:591:04:03

that when Mrs Fletcher, the principal,

1:04:031:04:04

came to the class and would say,

1:04:041:04:06

"Letty Konigsberg, is your mother at home?"

1:04:061:04:09

I would know to say, "No, I'm sorry, she's not at home."

1:04:091:04:12

I don't have good things to say about school.

1:04:161:04:20

You know, I was the world's worst student.

1:04:201:04:22

I hated school with a passion, to this day.

1:04:221:04:26

And when I think back on it, it was a curse.

1:04:261:04:29

When I got older, the neighbourhood got tougher.

1:04:291:04:33

A kid tried to run me over in here,

1:04:331:04:35

and I was playing ball and he drove his car

1:04:351:04:38

fast right in and tried to hit me with it.

1:04:381:04:41

And that iron thing was not over there,

1:04:411:04:43

and I was able to get into that little pocket.

1:04:431:04:46

So he couldn't get me with the car,

1:04:461:04:49

but he came real close.

1:04:491:04:51

Woody had disdain for school.

1:04:511:04:53

The teachers were not nice in those days.

1:04:531:04:56

They were very anti-Semitic.

1:04:561:04:57

They were almost all Gentiles, and he wasn't your best student.

1:04:571:05:01

So, you know, he was not treated nicely

1:05:011:05:05

and he had no regard for it, he didn't care.

1:05:051:05:07

So from their point of view,

1:05:071:05:10

he wasn't interested in what they were interested in.

1:05:101:05:12

We used to write compositions in class,

1:05:121:05:16

and I always wrote what I thought at the time

1:05:161:05:18

were amusing ones.

1:05:181:05:20

I was writing about this girl

1:05:201:05:22

and I made one standard joke about her.

1:05:221:05:26

You know, she had an hourglass figure

1:05:261:05:28

and I wanted to play in the sand,

1:05:281:05:29

and you can't believe the fuss that they made.

1:05:291:05:34

Ugh! he kissed me! He kissed me! Yecch!

1:05:341:05:37

That's the second time this month. Step up here.

1:05:371:05:40

-What did I do?

-Step up here!

1:05:401:05:42

-What did I do?

-You should be ashamed of yourself!

1:05:421:05:45

Why? I was just expressing a healthy sexual curiosity.

1:05:451:05:48

Six-year-old boys don't have girls on their minds.

1:05:481:05:51

-I did.

-For God's sakes, Alvy,

1:05:511:05:54

even Freud speaks of a latency period.

1:05:541:05:56

Well, I never had a latency period.

1:05:561:05:58

I can't help it.

1:05:581:06:00

This was the front of the school,

1:06:001:06:02

Public School 99,

1:06:021:06:04

Isaac Asimov School for Science and Literature.

1:06:041:06:06

And it's ironic, cos years later,

1:06:061:06:08

Asimov was a wonderful guy

1:06:081:06:11

and Marshall Brickman and I sent him the script of Sleeper

1:06:111:06:15

before we did the movie and said,

1:06:151:06:17

"Is there anything in here that we should be alerted to

1:06:171:06:20

"that doesn't strike you as real, or..."

1:06:201:06:23

And he read it for us and said,

1:06:231:06:24

"No, no, it's very good," and it was very helpful.

1:06:241:06:26

Hello. I'm Rags. Woof. Woof.

1:06:261:06:29

Is he housebroken, or will he be leaving

1:06:291:06:30

little batteries all over the floor?

1:06:301:06:32

By the way, Sleeper is

1:06:321:06:34

the first reference I ever remember to cloning.

1:06:341:06:36

Right. At that time - that's why I explained it

1:06:361:06:38

in the movie, cos people didn't know

1:06:381:06:40

what cloning was then. They had no idea.

1:06:401:06:42

Now, it's, you know, everybody clones.

1:06:421:06:44

LAUGHS

1:06:441:06:46

One day, I - I was

1:06:461:06:47

walking down the street and thought,

1:06:471:06:49

"Gosh, it would be really funny to do a movie

1:06:491:06:51

"where I get frozen and wake up in the future."

1:06:511:06:54

I'm a clarinet player in 1973,

1:06:541:06:56

I go into the hospital for a lousy operation,

1:06:561:06:58

I wake up 200 years later and I'm Flash Gordon.

1:06:581:07:01

My first thought was that it would be a three-hour film, a two-parter.

1:07:011:07:05

The first half before the intermission

1:07:051:07:07

was going to be this guy's life in New York, contemporary.

1:07:071:07:11

And at the end of the hour, the hour and a half,

1:07:111:07:13

I would fall into a vat of, you know,

1:07:131:07:16

the cryogenic vat and get frozen.

1:07:161:07:18

And then there was going to be an intermission

1:07:181:07:20

where people go out and buy popcorn.

1:07:201:07:22

And when they'd come in for the second half,

1:07:221:07:24

we'd be totally in the future.

1:07:241:07:26

We'd be 200 years in the future.

1:07:261:07:28

And we very soon were disabused of that

1:07:281:07:29

for a lot of reasons.

1:07:291:07:31

It was such a massive undertaking

1:07:311:07:34

that I said, you know, forget it.

1:07:341:07:37

We'll just do the futuristic part of it.

1:07:371:07:39

Can I help you?

1:07:421:07:44

Would you change his head for me, please?

1:07:441:07:46

Something a little more aesthetic.

1:07:461:07:48

You got room in there for another head change?

1:07:481:07:49

Yeah. Sure.

1:07:491:07:51

Another ploy that -

1:07:551:07:57

that interested me in that was I wanted to do

1:07:571:07:59

something where I woke up in a society

1:07:591:08:02

where nobody spoke and I would have had to

1:08:021:08:04

have played the whole film as a fugitive, but silent.

1:08:041:08:08

And it would've given me an excuse to make

1:08:081:08:11

a silent comedy without actually going

1:08:111:08:13

and doing a throwback.

1:08:131:08:15

We wanted to do a movie without any dialogue.

1:08:151:08:18

A very, very stupid idea.

1:08:181:08:22

And then we realised that our strong suit

1:08:221:08:25

was actually dialogue.

1:08:251:08:27

What's it feel like to be dead for 200 years?

1:08:271:08:31

It's like spending a weekend in Beverly Hills.

1:08:311:08:34

Some of the idea of doing physical comedy

1:08:341:08:37

did remain.

1:08:371:08:39

There are three or four sequences that are -

1:08:391:08:41

you know, there's one with the little helicopter backpack.

1:08:411:08:45

Of course, there's that one sequence with the giant banana.

1:08:481:08:51

Oh, my God.

1:09:061:09:07

I beat a man insensible with a strawberry.

1:09:071:09:10

Is he easy to break up?

1:09:101:09:13

No. Not, not - but when he does, that's it.

1:09:131:09:16

I mean, you know, once he starts laughing,

1:09:161:09:17

then he just keeps laughing.

1:09:171:09:19

OK. Let's go.

1:09:191:09:21

All right, here we go.

1:09:211:09:23

'Keaton makes me laugh probably

1:09:231:09:25

'more than any other person, because she's so funny.'

1:09:251:09:29

And action!

1:09:291:09:31

When we were doing Sleeper they were reviving me

1:09:311:09:35

by trying to recreate my home life.

1:09:351:09:38

This was some psychological ploy.

1:09:381:09:40

But Keaton, playing my mother,

1:09:401:09:43

was just so funny to me that I couldn't -

1:09:431:09:47

I couldn't act the scene with her.

1:09:471:09:49

Nu, what are you standing there?

1:09:491:09:51

Come in! Your food is getting cold!

1:09:511:09:54

LAUGHING I can't...

1:09:541:09:56

Miles, I cooked your favourite,

1:09:571:10:00

a nice bowl of hot seltzer water.

1:10:001:10:02

LAUGHS

1:10:041:10:06

'I mean, I just couldn't do it.

1:10:101:10:12

'I tried and I tried and I tried.'

1:10:121:10:14

Sorry. LAUGHTER

1:10:141:10:16

'I'd suddenly be looking at her

1:10:161:10:18

'and she'd be looking up at me and I couldn't stop laughing.

1:10:181:10:22

'I would just not be able to stop.'

1:10:221:10:26

Nu, what are you standing there?

1:10:261:10:28

Come in!

1:10:281:10:29

All right, let's go on to something else.

1:10:291:10:31

I obviously can't do this.

1:10:311:10:33

'I recall, very early, being taken to a Disney film.

1:10:331:10:36

'I think it was Snow White.'

1:10:361:10:38

I remember bolting out of my seat

1:10:381:10:40

to try and run up the aisle and touch the screen

1:10:401:10:43

cos I was so fascinated with what it was.

1:10:431:10:46

Because, you know, when I was a kid,

1:10:461:10:48

we didn't - we had no idea

1:10:481:10:51

what that process was.

1:10:511:10:53

And so I would sit and a kid next to me in class would say,

1:10:531:10:56

"I was at the movie theatre, you know, on Saturday,

1:10:561:11:00

"and I finished my Raisinets and I made a spitball

1:11:001:11:04

"out of my cardboard box, you know,

1:11:041:11:07

"with a piece of my cardboard box,

1:11:071:11:09

"and I threw the spitball up and hit the screen,

1:11:091:11:11

"and when it hit the screen, it burst into flame."

1:11:111:11:13

So I said, "No kidding, really?"

1:11:131:11:16

And, you know, and I wanted to -

1:11:161:11:18

I wanted to find out what was - what that process was.

1:11:181:11:21

And there was a movie theatre here

1:11:251:11:29

and I used the name of it in Purple Rose.

1:11:291:11:33

It was called the Jewel.

1:11:331:11:34

And the Jewel was one of the first movie houses

1:11:341:11:38

in the neighbourhood to show foreign films.

1:11:381:11:40

I saw my first Ingmar Bergman film there.

1:11:401:11:42

And it was right around here -

1:11:421:11:45

I think it was on the next block.

1:11:451:11:47

Could this have been it?

1:11:471:11:48

Maybe this was it.

1:11:481:11:50

Maybe this was it.

1:11:501:11:52

That would have been the Jewel.

1:11:551:11:57

I lived in Brooklyn in this repressed era.

1:11:571:12:01

There was a Bergman film playing in the neighbourhood

1:12:011:12:03

with Harriet Andersson.

1:12:031:12:05

It was Summer With Monika.

1:12:051:12:07

And she was allegedly naked in the film.

1:12:071:12:09

So I beat a quick path

1:12:091:12:11

to the door and I went to see that film

1:12:111:12:14

just so I could see a woman without her clothes on.

1:12:141:12:17

And it was a fabulous movie apart from the nudity.

1:12:171:12:20

Then a few years later,

1:12:201:12:23

they showed The Seventh Seal

1:12:231:12:25

and Wild Strawberries and The Magician.

1:12:251:12:28

I thought that it's pointless for me

1:12:391:12:41

to work any more because no-one will ever

1:12:411:12:43

be able to do anything better than this.

1:12:431:12:46

Bergman, you know, had just reached the limits

1:12:461:12:50

of what you could do in film,

1:12:501:12:51

and there was nowhere else to go.

1:12:511:12:53

So I found myself

1:12:531:12:54

in an odd position where I was

1:12:541:12:57

influenced by Groucho Marx

1:12:571:12:59

and Bob Hope and Ingmar Bergman.

1:12:591:13:02

I mean, there was no rationality to it.

1:13:021:13:05

And so you would get a film like Love And Death

1:13:051:13:08

for example, which was a film that has

1:13:081:13:10

a Bergman influence

1:13:101:13:12

but is so clearly a comic film.

1:13:121:13:15

Boris! Boris, what happened?

1:13:151:13:18

I got screwed.

1:13:181:13:20

-How?

-I don't know.

1:13:201:13:22

Some vision came and said that

1:13:221:13:23

I was going to get pardoned, and they shot me.

1:13:231:13:25

You were my one great love!

1:13:251:13:28

Oh, thank you very much. I appreciate that.

1:13:281:13:30

Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm dead.

1:13:301:13:32

'And so I was kicking around my house

1:13:321:13:34

'looking for something to do,'

1:13:341:13:36

and I just happened to see

1:13:361:13:37

a Russian history book on my shelf.

1:13:371:13:39

I thought, "Gee, it would be funny to do a film

1:13:391:13:43

"based on all that Russian literature

1:13:431:13:45

"and all those Russian cliches."

1:13:451:13:47

MAN WHISTLES

1:13:471:13:49

You know, I've always had a great love

1:13:491:13:51

of heavy literature and heavy themes in general.

1:13:511:13:54

I'm interested and attracted to them

1:13:591:14:01

and also find them very funny.

1:14:011:14:03

Non-existence,

1:14:031:14:06

black emptiness.

1:14:061:14:09

What did you say?

1:14:091:14:10

Oh, I was - I was just planning my future.

1:14:101:14:13

And I thought it was an area where I could then

1:14:131:14:15

get in a lot of subject matter that I like to talk about,

1:14:151:14:18

philosophical themes and death and longing,

1:14:181:14:21

and then I thought it'd be fun to do that and, you know,

1:14:211:14:24

I thought I'd do a big cartoon film about it

1:14:241:14:26

and try to make it as funny as I could make it at the time.

1:14:261:14:30

Boy, this - this army cooking will get you every time.

1:14:321:14:35

Oh, God is testing us.

1:14:351:14:38

If he's going to test us,

1:14:391:14:40

why doesn't he give us a written?

1:14:401:14:42

Though I do feel that

1:14:421:14:44

the first group of four or five films

1:14:441:14:46

that I made were funny for the most part,

1:14:461:14:49

that one could say

1:14:491:14:51

that they were essentially trivial and be right.

1:14:511:14:54

LAUGHS

1:14:541:14:57

In Love And Death,

1:14:571:14:58

you could see the influence of Bob Hope,

1:14:581:15:00

because you see physical cowardice

1:15:001:15:02

in the teeth of warfare.

1:15:021:15:04

That's a strong suit of Bob Hope's, and Woody is all over that

1:15:041:15:06

in Love And Death.

1:15:061:15:07

If you so much as come near the Countess,

1:15:071:15:09

I'll see that you never see the light of day again.

1:15:091:15:12

If a man said that to me, I'd break his neck.

1:15:121:15:15

I am a man.

1:15:151:15:16

Well, I mean a much shorter man.

1:15:161:15:20

CHUCKLES NERVOUSLY

1:15:201:15:22

Bob Hope was a big influence on me.

1:15:221:15:26

I can see it all over me in films.

1:15:261:15:28

This man is Monsieur Beaucaire, a common barber.

1:15:281:15:32

Are you going to accept that?

1:15:321:15:34

Well, a man's entitled to an opinion.

1:15:341:15:36

Slap him back.

1:15:361:15:37

You're lucky I haven't got a sword.

1:15:401:15:41

Hmm.

1:15:411:15:43

You keep out of this.

1:15:431:15:45

'I would get into his suit, so to speak.'

1:15:451:15:47

But when I do him and he does him,

1:15:471:15:49

there is the world of difference.

1:15:491:15:51

'I do, you know, a clumsy version.'

1:15:511:15:55

How do you like it?

1:15:551:15:57

SIGHS It's all right.

1:15:571:15:58

I'd prefer something sexy, but...

1:15:581:16:01

Would you like some wine,

1:16:011:16:04

something to put you in the mood?

1:16:041:16:07

Oh, I've been in the mood since the late 1700s.

1:16:071:16:11

It was a tough movie to make.

1:16:111:16:12

I mean, it was cold and laborious

1:16:121:16:15

and, you know, very hard work, I found,

1:16:151:16:19

not easy, but fun to write.

1:16:191:16:22

But if there is no God, well, then life has no meaning.

1:16:221:16:24

Why go on living? Why not just commit suicide?

1:16:241:16:26

Well, let's not get hysterical.

1:16:261:16:28

I could be wrong.

1:16:281:16:30

I'd hate to blow my brains out

1:16:301:16:31

and then read in the papers they found something.

1:16:311:16:33

It's really exciting to see the development

1:16:331:16:37

of Woody Allen from writing stand-up,

1:16:371:16:40

monologue, talk show,

1:16:401:16:42

Bananas, Sleeper, to the filmmaker.

1:16:421:16:45

I'm not sure I quickly perceived the importance of Annie Hall

1:16:451:16:49

in terms of being a departure from

1:16:491:16:51

stuff he'd done before, but I knew that we were

1:16:511:16:54

on to something special seeing that film.

1:16:541:16:56

Yeah, everybody did.

1:16:561:16:59

I remember when Annie Hall came out,

1:16:591:17:01

there was this kind of buzz in New York

1:17:011:17:04

that was electrifying.

1:17:041:17:06

I hadn't seen the movie, but it almost frightened me,

1:17:061:17:09

the way my uncle told me,

1:17:091:17:10

"Don't go see House Of Wax in 3D."

1:17:101:17:13

You know, it was like, "What?"

1:17:131:17:15

You know, it was like some kind of

1:17:151:17:17

earth-changing event was taking place.

1:17:171:17:19

Until Annie Hall,

1:17:191:17:21

I had been interested only in making the audience laugh.

1:17:211:17:26

And there were many people around me

1:17:261:17:28

that said, "Why do you want to do

1:17:281:17:30

"a picture like Annie Hall for?

1:17:301:17:31

"You know, you can make audiences laugh

1:17:311:17:34

"and be funny, and my friends and I,

1:17:341:17:36

"we all much would rather see a Bananas

1:17:361:17:39

"or Love And Death."

1:17:391:17:41

And I felt, I'll sacrifice some of the laughs

1:17:411:17:47

for a story

1:17:471:17:49

about human beings, and they will

1:17:491:17:52

get involved in the story

1:17:521:17:54

in a way that they had not ever

1:17:541:17:57

been involved before,

1:17:571:17:59

and it would be richer

1:17:591:18:01

and it would be a better experience for them

1:18:011:18:02

and fun for me to try, and the worst that can happen

1:18:021:18:06

'is I'll make a fool of myself.'

1:18:061:18:08

Yeah, cos, you know, I'm obsessed with death, I think.

1:18:081:18:11

It's a big subject with me, yeah.

1:18:111:18:12

I have a very pessimistic view of life.

1:18:121:18:14

You should know this about me if we're going to go out.

1:18:141:18:17

You know, I just feel that life is divided up

1:18:171:18:18

into the horrible and the miserable.

1:18:181:18:20

Those are the two categories, you know?

1:18:201:18:22

The horrible would be like, um,

1:18:221:18:23

I don't know, terminal cases, you know,

1:18:231:18:25

and blind people, cripples.

1:18:251:18:27

I don't know how they get through life.

1:18:271:18:28

It's amazing to me, you know,

1:18:281:18:30

and the miserable is everyone else, that's -

1:18:301:18:31

so when you go through life, you should be thankful

1:18:311:18:34

that you're miserable, because that's -

1:18:341:18:35

you're very lucky to be miserable.

1:18:351:18:37

It was the first time that I'd read

1:18:371:18:40

anything of Woody's that was so

1:18:401:18:41

personally touching.

1:18:411:18:43

It was a love story,

1:18:431:18:44

and it was a shock to read it,

1:18:441:18:47

and I just thought,

1:18:471:18:49

"This is wonderful."

1:18:491:18:50

And it was - it was an expression

1:18:501:18:52

of such tremendous growth for Woody, that script.

1:18:521:18:56

UA had always prided itself

1:18:561:18:58

on being very director- and writer-friendly

1:18:581:19:00

rather than star-friendly.

1:19:001:19:02

Arthur Krim was Cosimo de' Medici.

1:19:021:19:04

He had knighted Woody as a knight of the church,

1:19:041:19:08

and Arthur Krim would sit down at a table,

1:19:081:19:11

look you in the eye, decide how crazy you were.

1:19:111:19:14

He would ask you how much money you needed to make the movie.

1:19:141:19:18

You would tell him, he would give you

1:19:181:19:20

a little bit less, because it -

1:19:201:19:21

you know, it builds character.

1:19:211:19:24

They watched the budgets very carefully

1:19:241:19:26

and they were very supportive and they had an amazing run,

1:19:261:19:29

you know, because of that.

1:19:291:19:31

There might have been something that occurred to Woody

1:19:311:19:34

while we were making that film,

1:19:341:19:36

that, "Now I should start making films

1:19:361:19:38

"a little more mature, that aren't just gags

1:19:381:19:41

"and vignettes thrown together.

1:19:411:19:43

"Let's start making them, you know,

1:19:431:19:45

"a little more cohesive."

1:19:451:19:47

And so I think there was

1:19:471:19:49

a conscious effort to put some

1:19:491:19:51

real filmmakers together to help achieve this.

1:19:511:19:55

At that time,

1:19:551:19:57

the most celebrated New York cameraman was Gordon Willis.

1:19:571:20:01

And Gordy, who they used to call the Prince Of Darkness -

1:20:011:20:04

always went for great darkness -

1:20:041:20:08

he did The Godfather.

1:20:081:20:11

Everyone had always talked about him

1:20:111:20:13

as such a great cinematographer.

1:20:131:20:16

Putting Gordon Willis and Woody together was like

1:20:161:20:18

a very odd pairing because, you know, Woody was this sort of

1:20:181:20:21

loosey-goosey comedian and Gordon was this

1:20:211:20:24

very strict, disciplined photographer

1:20:241:20:27

who had a controversial reputation

1:20:271:20:29

for crankiness, and it just looked like,

1:20:291:20:32

you know, "This will never work."

1:20:321:20:34

I probably didn't have a good reputation

1:20:341:20:37

as Mr Smile, you know, so he thought,

1:20:371:20:39

"Gee, I'm getting involved with a monster here."

1:20:391:20:43

We hit it off right away. We chatted

1:20:431:20:46

and he was very smart and I liked him very much.

1:20:461:20:50

You know, it was clear

1:20:501:20:51

right away that I had a lot to learn from him

1:20:511:20:56

and that he was

1:20:561:20:57

a great cinematographer in every way.

1:20:571:21:02

Woody did choose Gordon Willis to be the cinematographer,

1:21:021:21:05

and for a comedy, that was unheard of.

1:21:051:21:08

You didn't have the Prince Of Darkness

1:21:081:21:10

be the cinematographer for a comedy.

1:21:101:21:13

Nobody could believe it,

1:21:131:21:14

and so it was a terrifying prospect,

1:21:141:21:17

but Woody took it on, and he made a great choice.

1:21:171:21:22

The first shot I ever did with

1:21:221:21:24

Gordon Willis in my life, the first scene

1:21:241:21:26

that we ever shot in Annie Hall,

1:21:261:21:28

was the lobster scene.

1:21:281:21:30

-Go for that one. There.

-You know what,

1:21:301:21:31

maybe we should just call the police,

1:21:311:21:32

dial 911. It's the Lobster Squad.

1:21:321:21:34

Come on, Alvy, they're only baby ones, for God's sakes.

1:21:341:21:37

If they're only babies, then you pick them up.

1:21:371:21:39

Oh, all right. All right. All right.

1:21:391:21:41

Here. Here you go.

1:21:411:21:42

Don't give it to me. Don't! Look! One -

1:21:421:21:44

one crawled behind the refrigerator.

1:21:441:21:46

It will turn up in our bed at night.

1:21:461:21:48

Will you get out of here with that thing?

1:21:481:21:50

Jesus!

1:21:501:21:51

Talk to them. You speak shellfish.

1:21:511:21:54

One of the nice things about working with Woody

1:21:541:21:57

over the time that we worked together was it -

1:21:571:21:59

more or less like working with your hands in your pockets.

1:21:591:22:01

It's very easy, pleasant.

1:22:011:22:03

Gordy was the one who said to me,

1:22:031:22:06

"When we do the split screen with the shrink" -

1:22:061:22:10

I'm with one shrink and she's with another one -

1:22:101:22:12

he said, "Don't do a split screen.

1:22:121:22:15

"Build it. Build a set with a - with a divider in the middle,

1:22:151:22:18

"so you're both live.

1:22:181:22:20

"It'll look like a split screen, but it won't be."

1:22:201:22:24

That was a revelation for him at that point cos it meant

1:22:241:22:26

both actors could do the scene, you know,

1:22:261:22:29

without being interrupted with doing

1:22:291:22:32

half a scene and then half a scene

1:22:321:22:34

and putting it together optically.

1:22:341:22:36

And that's what we did.

1:22:361:22:38

How often do you sleep together?

1:22:381:22:40

Do you have sex often?

1:22:401:22:41

Hardly ever. Maybe three times a week.

1:22:411:22:43

Constantly. I'd say three times a week.

1:22:431:22:46

It was a somewhat precocious film, I think,

1:22:461:22:49

because it was - as I recall,

1:22:491:22:51

there was a rough cut that was well over two hours.

1:22:511:22:54

I thought of it only as - really as a comedy,

1:22:541:22:57

you know, and I thought when I was

1:22:571:22:59

putting it together originally that it would be fun

1:22:591:23:01

for people to see what went on in my mind.

1:23:011:23:04

That was going to be the movie.

1:23:041:23:06

You were going to see what goes on in his mind,

1:23:061:23:08

going from bit to bit without much plot.

1:23:081:23:11

It became apparent in the editing room

1:23:111:23:14

that the picture was about something else.

1:23:141:23:17

The relationship was so strong that nobody

1:23:171:23:20

wanted to see what went on in my mind.

1:23:201:23:22

They wanted to get back to this story of the two people.

1:23:221:23:25

Hi. Hi.

1:23:251:23:27

Oh, hi. Hi.

1:23:271:23:29

SHE CHUCKLES

1:23:291:23:32

Well,

1:23:321:23:33

bye.

1:23:331:23:36

CHUCKLES

1:23:361:23:38

You play very well.

1:23:381:23:40

Oh, yeah? So do you.

1:23:401:23:42

Oh, God. What a dumb thing to say, right?

1:23:421:23:45

I mean, you said, "You play well,"

1:23:451:23:47

then right away, I have to say, "You play well."

1:23:471:23:50

Oh. Oh, God, Annie.

1:23:501:23:53

Well... Oh, well.

1:23:531:23:54

CHUCKLES

1:23:541:23:56

La-di-dah, la-di-dah, la-la. Yeah.

1:23:561:23:59

Keaton was so compelling, you know,

1:23:591:24:02

that when she wasn't on screen

1:24:021:24:04

or the story wasn't about the relationship,

1:24:041:24:07

even if she was on screen, you didn't care.

1:24:071:24:10

The whole world fell in love with Diane Keaton,

1:24:101:24:12

but Woody Allen fell

1:24:121:24:14

in love with her first, and he made that contagious.

1:24:141:24:15

Hey, listen. Listen.

1:24:151:24:17

-What?

-Give me a kiss.

1:24:171:24:19

-Really?

-Yeah. Why not? Because we're just

1:24:191:24:20

going to go home later, right?

1:24:201:24:22

And there's going to be all that tension,

1:24:221:24:23

you know, we never kissed before

1:24:231:24:25

and I'll never know when to make the right move

1:24:251:24:26

or anything, so we'll kiss now,

1:24:261:24:28

we'll get it over with, then we'll go eat, OK?

1:24:281:24:29

-Oh. All right.

-And we'll digest our food better.

1:24:291:24:31

OK.

1:24:311:24:33

OK? So now we can digest our food, OK? Yeah.

1:24:331:24:36

He was just unfathomable, I think, mainly to my parents

1:24:361:24:40

and particularly my grandmother.

1:24:401:24:42

You're what Grammy Hall would call a real Jew.

1:24:421:24:45

CLEARS THROAT

1:24:451:24:47

Thank you.

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'There is a Grammy Hall.'

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That was - that's Keaton's grandmother, as a matter of fact,

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just an elderly lady who lives in California.

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She would call him this odd Jew,

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but she was a total racist, and so

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I wasn't really very proud of her

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with regard to that and her attitude about Woody,

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and, you know, she'd say things like,

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"Oh, yeah, he's just like a Jew."

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You know, I mean, that's - that's why he captured

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the essence of my family.

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Yeah, not - not very pretty.

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Annie Hall is the film where

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he makes the decision not to lead always with jokes,

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though it's packed, packed with great jokes.

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You're having an affair with your college professor,

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that jerk that teaches that incredible, crap course,

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Contemporary Crisis In Western Man.

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Existential Motifs In Russian Literature.

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You're really close.

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What's the difference? It's all mental masturbation.

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Now we're finally getting to a subject you know something about.

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Hey, don't knock masturbation. It's sex with someone I love.

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It's the first film

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where it's truly grounded in adult feeling.

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This is the one where he thinks,

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"I'm going to go with feeling first

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"and people first, and the jokes have to

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"come out of those people."

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And so, you know, it feels like a landmark change.

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Let's face it.

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You know, I don't think our relationship is working.

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I know. A relationship, I think, is like a shark.

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You know, it has to constantly move forward or it dies.

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And I think what we've got on our hands is a dead shark.

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The story he tells is the story of everybody who falls in love

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and then falls out of love and goes on,

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and that's what makes it so universal

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and so meaningful to so many people.

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The build-up was such that - that it felt like

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a bomb was about to go off in New York that was going to

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change the way comedies were made for ever,

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and I guess perhaps in a way it did.

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It was - it was that kind of movie.

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We speak of Annie Hall as a game changer.

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It may not have been a game changer for Woody Allen,

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because he seems to go where he wants to go,

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but it was a game changer for the industry.

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I think comedy itself began to be re-evaluated.

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Did we get a sense that this was some sort of cultural avalanche?

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No. No.

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There are subcultures that exist,

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and sometimes you hit onto

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one of them and you realise

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that there's something there that wasn't there,

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and I guess there was an audience

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ready for this movie.

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Hey, how much is this stuff, incidentally?

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That's about 2,000 an ounce.

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-God.

-Really? And what is the kick of it?

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Which I never...

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SNEEZES

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I didn't go to the event because

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in the office pools,

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Star Wars was the hands-down winner.

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Woody said, "I'm not going to go out to the awards,

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"because I have the band.

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"I have our jazz band on Monday nights."

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And I thought, OK, that's a kind of genius.

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He's really making a very significant statement

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that's going to carry him a long way.

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I said, "But I don't have to make a statement. I want to go."

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Much to our surprise, we picked up four awards,

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which was Original Screenplay,

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Best Director for Woody, Best Film,

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and Best Actress for Diane.

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The next morning, I got up, you know,

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I got the New York Times delivered to my apartment,

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and I noticed on the front page on the bottom,

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it said that "Annie Hall wins four Academy Awards,"

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so I go, "Oh, that's great."

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Somebody at the Jack Rollins office heard

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Jack say to Woody, "Woody, are you adamant

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"about this idea that you don't want

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"'Academy Award-Winning Film,' you don't want that phrase

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"in the ads anywhere within a hundred miles of New York?"

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And he said, "That's right."

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And Jack said, "Could we make it 50, Woody?"

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I think what you get in awards is favouritism.

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I mean, people can say,

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"Oh, my favourite movie was Annie Hall,"

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but the implication is that it's the best movie,

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and I don't think that's possible.

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I don't think you can make that judgment.

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Except for track, track and field, you know,

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where one guy runs and you see that he wins,

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then it's OK.

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I won those when I was younger,

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and those were nice, cos I knew I deserved them.

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I would like to, for instance, in films,

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do more serious films. I'd like to

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not act in them but to write and direct

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more serious things.

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He had then the opportunity to explore that

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in himself as an artist, right? OK.

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He took it. Other people wouldn't.

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Other people would stay with what

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they feel is safer, in a sense.

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Not that anything's really safe,

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but, I mean, it's territory they feel that

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they can excel.

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But to push and go further,

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that's why he had to do Interiors, to get to that point.

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I feel I have been a dedicated husband,

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a responsible father, and I haven't regretted anything

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I've been called upon to do.

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Now, I feel I want to be by myself for a while.

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Consequently, I've decided to move out of the house,

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but I feel it's something I have to try.

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It's a separation,

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and I wanted to lay it on the table

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in front of everyone so that everything is open

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and as direct as possible.

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And he had a very good relationship with United Artists,

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which, by the way, was the home of independent films.

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I was, you know, indulged by them.

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They said, "Well, you know, you've earned the right

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"to make any film you want to make, so,

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"you know, if you want to make a very serious drama,

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"go ahead and make one."

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I talked with your doctor.

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He feels you can handle this.

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You talked to Dr Lobel about this behind my back?

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Not behind your back. Discreetly.

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You discussed this with Dr Lobel behind my back.

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It's so humiliating.

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Eve, it's your doctor and myself.

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Now, how private can one be?

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-SIGHS

-And he assured you

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that I can handle it, is that right?

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Oh, how humiliating!

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You're not humiliated.

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Oh, I just want to die.

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Oh, stop that.

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-SIGHS

-I just hate my life!

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GLASS SHATTERS

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INDISTINCT ARGUING

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'But his desire always had been and has been

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'to be taken very seriously.'

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And the dark side of him is a very important part of him,

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in his work and in him.

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And it's his -

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it's a great thing and it's a torture.

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I put a higher value on the tragic muse

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than the comic muse.

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I've always felt that tragic writing,

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tragic theatre,

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tragic film confronts reality head-on and doesn't

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satirise it, tease it, kid it, deflect it,

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opt out with some kind of a gag at the last minute.

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It's harder for me,

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I embarrass myself more readily,

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but I get more pleasure out of failing in a project

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that I am enthused over than in succeeding

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in a project that I know I can do well.

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After taking a lot of flak for Interiors

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being so heavy and dramatic,

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he responded, and some people

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would say rebounded, with his next film.

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Having done Annie Hall, which had a particular kind of look,

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we thought, "OK, now, how do we make Manhattan

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"be a little more distinctive visually?"

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The decision to shoot

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Manhattan in black and white really was

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Woody's idea, because I think both of us

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perceive Manhattan as like a black and white city.

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It's stone and concrete and blacktop.

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Woody Allen understood something about

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black and white that Hollywood had forgotten,

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which is that it adds glamour, and so one of

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the characteristics of Manhattan is that

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it creates a nostalgia for the present.

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He loves New York so much.

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I mean, it's his city.

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And in this film, which is

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just such a love letter to New York, it's -

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nothing's done so extraordinarily well

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that says New York.

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It's constantly alive.

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It's like a city that's continually evolving

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and extraordinarily creative.

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And the rhythm of the city feeds different sensibilities.

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I wanted to show New York

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in a very beautiful way, the way I see it.

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I never had any interest

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in showing it except through my rose-coloured glasses,

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my romanticised view of it.

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It's one of the reasons I love his work.

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But they are extremely foreign to me.

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It's another - not another world,

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another planet. The New York I know is really -

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you look at Mean Streets, that's my - where I grew up,

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and Taxi Driver is my state of mind.

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Manhattan is so beautiful, so you're seeing -

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each shot became, you know, it became a painting.

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Years from now, people will be able to

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look back at my films, and the only real value of them

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is going to be the background scenery.

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'New York was his town, and it always would be.'

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Manhattan we wanted to shoot

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widescreen just because it was not

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a war picture or a big-scope picture.

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It was an intimate love story.

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Just because of that,

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we thought it would be interesting.

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The Gershwin music in Manhattan

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is really a second part of the movie.

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You have the story going on of all these characters,

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and then this music was just able to

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inform the audience emotionally about what's happening.

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It really makes the music another character,

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another part of the ensemble.

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GERSHWIN MUSIC PLAYS

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There are things that are regarded as comedies

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that always bewilder me.

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Manhattan was a romance,

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and I guess it's thought of as a comedy

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because the general story, you know, was light.

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I mean, it was amusing.

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I was in love with a young girl

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and the guy was cheating on his wife, and it's more of

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a foreign film influence.

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In foreign comedies, you don't get those

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kind of "joke comedies" very often.

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'What you get more is regular dramatic stories

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'but with a little light touch to them here and there.'

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Well, I'm old-fashioned.

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I don't believe in extramarital relationships.

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I think people should mate for life,

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like pigeons or Catholics.

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There was certainly potential awkwardness

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in the casting of Woody opposite

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a teenage girl in Manhattan,

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but I think that was defused in a lot of ways

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by him finding this wonderful young actress, Mariel Hemingway,

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who was just 18 and who gave such a wonderful performance

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and brought such feeling to it

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that she even got an Oscar nomination.

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Woody made me feel

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as though I was part of the process.

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He knew that I was scared, he knew I was shy,

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he knew I was these things, so he spent time with me

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off the set, taking me to museums

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and making me aware of

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what I probably would've been aware of

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as that young girl living in Manhattan.

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Now, it doesn't always happen in a Woody Allen film.

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You know, he's like, you show up, you're the actor

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and he figures you know what to do

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and he leaves you alone, basically.

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So I think he knew unless he befriended me

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or we became close that I wouldn't understand,

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you know, I wouldn't get it.

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So when it came to that scene

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at the soda fountain

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and he's breaking up with me,

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there was this natural feeling

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of breaking apart a family.

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There was a breaking apart of something

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that had become very familiar to me,

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because I really cared about him as a friend.

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I remember looking him in the eye

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and listening to what he said,

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and listening very, very carefully.

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The truth is that I love somebody else.

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You do?

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Hey, come on, you - we - we -

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this was supposed to be a temporary fling.

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You know that.

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You met someone?

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Why should I feel guilty about this?

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This is ridiculous.

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I've always encouraged you to go out with guys

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more your own age, guys - kids from your class.

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Billy and Biff and Scooter, you know,

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little Tommy or Terry. I don't -

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Hey, come on, don't cry.

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Don't cry.

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Come on, don't - Tracy.

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Tracy, don't - come on, don't cry, Tracy.

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'So when I cried, it was real.'

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Just leave me alone.

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'Cos I thought about, "Oh, this too will end," you know.'

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"This family will be gone and I will miss you."

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TYPEWRITER KEYS CLACKING

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I don't know if the act of falling in love

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has ever been done with more power or more economy

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than in that moment by the 59th Street Bridge

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where Woody and Diane Keaton are sitting on the park bench

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watching the day come up.

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It was a pain in the neck to do

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because I like to live a regular schedule.

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I went to sleep at night and I had to wake up

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at three o'clock in the morning.

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Plus, we had to bring our own bench, you know,

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cos there's no bench there,

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and then we started shooting as the light came up.

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Isn't it beautiful out?

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Yeah, it's really -

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really so pretty when the light starts to come up.

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Oh, I know. I love it.

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SIGHS

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This is really a great city.

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I don't care what anybody says.

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It's just really a knockout, you know?

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Well, I think I'd better head back.

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'Well, I didn't know it would be iconic,

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'but we knew it would be pretty, but never thinking

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'that anything would come of it other than

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'it would be a nice scene in the picture.'

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Most people take it away

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because that's how they want to fall in love

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or they have fallen in love.

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It either plays to your memory or it plays to your hope.

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That's the sort of real twilight

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that's operating under that shot.

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And because you take it away with you,

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it becomes, in some ways,

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the most powerful shot in the film.

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All right, why is life worth living?

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That's a very good question.

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You know, the final scene when he's

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lying on the couch and remembering all the things

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that make him happy.

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Tracy's face.

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CHUCKLES

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And then stopping and running

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down the street to that music

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and then finally coming up to that door

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and seeing me about to leave.

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I mean, it doesn't get any better than that.

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And I'm not saying, like, "Oh, me!"

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That was a film moment where you just go,

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"Wow. How incredible is that?"

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And that's what's inside of him, you know.

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He's a romantic, he's a mush.

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What's beautiful about the final scene

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is that it's so vulnerable.

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I mean, he was so honest and pure in that scene,

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and I do believe that it shows how talented

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he can be as an actor.

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All the stuff goes away, you know,

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all the "I'm a comedic actor" or whatever is gone

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and he's just right there with you,

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and it was so - it was so sweet and it was so touching.

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SIGHS

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Do you still love me, or what?

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Do you love me?

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Well, yeah, that's why - yeah, of course.

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That's what this is all about, you know?

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I've got to make a plane.

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Come on, you - come on.

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You don't - you don't have to...go.

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Why couldn't you have brought this up last week?

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Tracy...

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Six months isn't so long.

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Not everybody gets corrupted.

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You have to have a little faith in people.

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'It's such a simple line,

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'"Have a little faith in people."

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'And it's such a beautiful thing that he knew.'

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That's a huge statement for him.

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I mean, he wrote the line, you know?

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I didn't make that up.

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Tell me about the critical

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and public reception to Manhattan, generally.

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You know, I don't remember what it was.

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Was it good? They liked it?

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Oh, well, we got some very good reviews.

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Everybody loved Manhattan.

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Just as Annie Hall had been a deepening

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of what he'd been doing, I think people thought,

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"Wow, Manhattan is an even deeper

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"deepening of what he'd been doing."

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This film was big.

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There was a groundswell that happened after Cannes

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that just went crazy.

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Everybody went crazy for this film.

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I remember its opening in New York. I mean, you just -

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there were lines around the block

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and the reviews were fantastic.

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When I was finished with it, I didn't like the film at all.

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And I saw it and...

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And I spoke to United Artists at that time

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and offered to make a film for them for nothing

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if they would not put it out.

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I just thought to myself, "At this point in my life,

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"if this is the best I can do,

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"they shouldn't give me money to make movies."

1:43:431:43:46

Woody's notion for the film was so much more ambitious,

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I think, than what he got in the end,

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or was so different from it,

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that he was extraordinarily disappointed.

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And it's interesting how audiences have responded,

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cos they have no idea what his hope or dream was for this.

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They just took this and just completely

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latched onto it in a way that I think

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still mystifies him.

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After Manhattan, the audience was ready

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to follow Woody Allen anywhere.

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Anywhere except Stardust Memories.

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LAUGHS

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What do you want me to say?

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I don't want to make funny movies any more.

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They can't force me to.

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You know, I don't feel funny.

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I look around the world and all I see is human suffering.

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I was so disappointed in Stardust Memories,

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I saw it three times the week it opened, right?

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Cos I kept feeling it's my fault,

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because he was up to something interesting

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even if I couldn't quite buy in.

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I wanted to. I wanted to find a way past.

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And there was something in that film

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that is unique and original.

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That was my favourite film for a while.

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It was my least popular film,

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but it's certainly my own personal favourite.

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I would bet you that

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Woody's favourite movies were the ones

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where he felt he pulled off something stylistic,

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where he pulled off an ambitious magic trick.

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Stardust Memories, I think, is a big magic act.

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You know, quite apart from its influence by Fellini,

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it's essentially, he's just working his magic

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and in a sense making a statement about

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being a magician, so to speak.

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And because of that,

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the audience didn't feel that they could relate to it

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as personally as they did to the other films.

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You know, I wanted to try and make a film

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about a man who had

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presumably, to the outside eye, everything.

1:45:221:45:25

He had money and he was famous,

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and yet, he had come to a point in life where

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he realised still that he was still going to wind up

1:45:301:45:34

on the junk heap with everybody else

1:45:341:45:37

and him coming to terms with that idea

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over the course of this weekend which really

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happens in his mind for the most part.

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A year or two before he made it, he had gone with Judith Crist,

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who was the film critic for New York Magazine at the time,

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to a weekend seminar that she did on film

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at an estate turned into a hotel up the Hudson

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about an hour from New York, and he came

1:45:561:45:58

and he was the guest for the weekend there.

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And out of that came this whole notion

1:45:591:46:02

that he did of the guy having the crack-up.

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We love your work. My wife has seen all your films.

1:46:051:46:07

I especially like your early, funny ones.

1:46:071:46:10

Many people saw that film as me attacking my fans

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and saying the people out there

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that are enjoying my films are clawing and pawing

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and silly-looking, but that had nothing to do

1:46:221:46:27

with the film at all.

1:46:271:46:29

The film is really about problems of

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an artistic sensibility

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and how you're in your mind or out of your mind.

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What were you trying to say in this picture?

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I was just trying to be funny.

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LAUGHTER

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Had you studied filmmaking in school?

1:46:431:46:46

No, no, no. I didn't study anything in school. They studied me.

1:46:461:46:48

LAUGHTER

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I kept a file of photographs

1:46:501:46:52

of Woody Allen faces.

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There was something humorous about them that was distinctive.

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So I would have drawers of pictures that I saved

1:46:571:47:00

specifically for Woody.

1:47:001:47:03

We really, you know,

1:47:031:47:05

looked for very eccentric,

1:47:051:47:08

strange, humorous people.

1:47:081:47:11

That was probably our most ambitious

1:47:111:47:14

style piece to that date.

1:47:141:47:16

It was a little more exotic and flamboyant

1:47:161:47:19

because he was more impressed by directors whose style

1:47:191:47:24

was more visually stimulating and interesting,

1:47:241:47:26

you know, Bergman and Fellini.

1:47:261:47:28

He has great admiration

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for a lot of foreign directors and a lot of foreign movies.

1:47:301:47:35

He's never made a secret out of that.

1:47:351:47:37

You get blamed for

1:47:371:47:39

copying other material, or, you know,

1:47:391:47:43

you're doing Bergman and you're doing Fellini

1:47:431:47:46

and you're doing 8 1/2.

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But we never discussed anything at that level ever,

1:47:471:47:51

anybody else's movies.

1:47:511:47:53

There's no question of Fellini's influence on Woody.

1:47:531:47:55

No question about it.

1:47:551:47:58

Critics were overeducated cos

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they'd all seen 8 1/2 and they thought,

1:48:001:48:02

"Oh, he's just remaking 8 1/2."

1:48:021:48:04

I think audience members who didn't know anything

1:48:041:48:07

about 8 1/2 were just sort of put off

1:48:071:48:09

by the strange busyness of it.

1:48:091:48:11

You know, the whole point of the movie

1:48:111:48:13

is that nobody is saved.

1:48:131:48:15

Sandy, this is an Easter film.

1:48:151:48:16

We don't need a movie by an atheist.

1:48:161:48:18

-One more, sir.

-To you I'm an atheist.

1:48:181:48:19

To God, I'm the loyal opposition.

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-LAUGHING

-Jesus.

1:48:211:48:22

I'm your biggest fan. I think you're terrific.

1:48:221:48:24

Thank you.

1:48:241:48:25

His public adores him.

1:48:251:48:27

Yeah. Today they adore you

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and tomorrow it's one of these.

1:48:281:48:30

'Stardust Memories is a completely made-up story,'

1:48:301:48:32

and I was surprised that, you know,

1:48:321:48:37

that people would think that that was me.

1:48:371:48:41

The press hated it.

1:48:411:48:43

He got terrible reviews for it.

1:48:431:48:46

The truth is, Woody didn't read reviews.

1:48:461:48:50

So he wasn't terribly affected by reviews.

1:48:521:48:56

I read all of them.

1:48:561:48:57

LAUGHS

1:48:571:48:59

You guys got to tell me.

1:48:591:49:01

Why is there so much human suffering?

1:49:011:49:02

This is unanswerable.

1:49:021:49:05

Is there a God?

1:49:051:49:07

These are the wrong questions.

1:49:071:49:09

Look, here's my point.

1:49:091:49:10

If nothing lasts, why am I bothering

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to make films, or do anything, for that matter?

1:49:121:49:14

We enjoy your films,

1:49:141:49:16

particularly the early, funny ones.

1:49:161:49:18

The public was very, very generous with me

1:49:181:49:21

and the critics were very generous when I started.

1:49:211:49:24

They overlooked all my mistakes,

1:49:241:49:26

they only wrote the nice things,

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and now I think I'm at that stage where

1:49:281:49:31

I must pay my dues and be held accountable

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for the many terrible things that I do.

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And I think that in future years,

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I have a chance to - to come back again.

1:49:401:49:44

After Stardust Memories, I think many in his audience

1:49:441:49:46

were saying, you know, has he played himself out? What can happen now?

1:49:461:49:50

Is this the end of him?

1:49:501:49:51

When arguably, his best work is yet to come.

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