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This programme contains some strong language. | 0:00:02 | 0:00:04 | |
This is William Klein. | 0:00:04 | 0:00:05 | |
A man who's spent his life refusing to be pigeonholed. | 0:00:05 | 0:00:10 | |
I have film, I'm ready to go. | 0:00:10 | 0:00:13 | |
He's a pioneer of 20th-century photography. | 0:00:13 | 0:00:17 | |
His raw, dramatic images | 0:00:17 | 0:00:20 | |
of '50s New York helped create | 0:00:20 | 0:00:22 | |
the art of street photography. | 0:00:22 | 0:00:24 | |
His pictures are like a fist in the face, coming straight at you. | 0:00:25 | 0:00:30 | |
You are not going to miss them. | 0:00:30 | 0:00:32 | |
This one book has probably been the most influential | 0:00:32 | 0:00:35 | |
photographic book ever published. | 0:00:35 | 0:00:37 | |
And these are his striking and hugely influential fashion images. | 0:00:38 | 0:00:42 | |
He's made countless films, | 0:00:44 | 0:00:48 | |
including the first ever documentary about Muhammad Ali... | 0:00:48 | 0:00:51 | |
I predict that tonight, somebody will die at ringside from shock. | 0:00:51 | 0:00:56 | |
..controversial political films, | 0:00:56 | 0:00:59 | |
and his classic satire of the fashion world, | 0:00:59 | 0:01:03 | |
Who Are You, Polly Maggoo? | 0:01:03 | 0:01:05 | |
Divine. | 0:01:05 | 0:01:08 | |
It's hard to believe that that same person is capable | 0:01:08 | 0:01:11 | |
of such beauty, at the same time be so powerful, and angry. | 0:01:11 | 0:01:18 | |
Today, at the age of 84, Klein still displays an enviable lust for life. | 0:01:19 | 0:01:24 | |
I'm a New Yorker. I was able to bullshit all these guys. | 0:01:24 | 0:01:28 | |
I can still do it. | 0:01:28 | 0:01:30 | |
And now, an acclaimed retrospective at Tate Modern | 0:01:30 | 0:01:35 | |
is celebrating Klein's dazzling range of work | 0:01:35 | 0:01:38 | |
over a career of more than 60 years. | 0:01:38 | 0:01:40 | |
In the months leading up to the exhibition, | 0:01:44 | 0:01:46 | |
I caught up with William Klein | 0:01:46 | 0:01:48 | |
back on the streets of his native New York, | 0:01:48 | 0:01:51 | |
and in his home city of Paris, | 0:01:51 | 0:01:53 | |
to try to understand his unique creative vision | 0:01:53 | 0:01:57 | |
through the eyes of the man himself. | 0:01:57 | 0:02:00 | |
Wide-angle lens? | 0:02:01 | 0:02:03 | |
I'm going to look great. | 0:02:03 | 0:02:05 | |
William Klein is one of the great Americans in Paris. | 0:02:37 | 0:02:40 | |
After the war, he did his army service in Europe, | 0:02:42 | 0:02:45 | |
and moved to France, | 0:02:45 | 0:02:46 | |
where he fell madly in love with Janine, | 0:02:46 | 0:02:49 | |
who would be by his side for over 50 years. | 0:02:49 | 0:02:52 | |
Throughout his life, | 0:02:53 | 0:02:55 | |
he has worked regularly on both sides of the Atlantic. | 0:02:55 | 0:02:58 | |
But Paris is home. | 0:02:58 | 0:03:00 | |
After Janine died seven years ago, he has lived here, alone, | 0:03:02 | 0:03:07 | |
in a grand top-floor apartment. | 0:03:07 | 0:03:08 | |
What's that you've got? Is that your team? | 0:03:10 | 0:03:12 | |
This is the Yankees. | 0:03:13 | 0:03:16 | |
I was against the Yankees in the old days, | 0:03:16 | 0:03:20 | |
now I am sort of...mellowing. | 0:03:20 | 0:03:24 | |
What do you miss about New York? | 0:03:24 | 0:03:26 | |
The great restaurants. | 0:03:26 | 0:03:29 | |
I'm kidding! | 0:03:29 | 0:03:30 | |
-I was going to say! -I don't give a shit about New York restaurants. | 0:03:30 | 0:03:34 | |
Thanks to a US Government scholarship for ex-soldiers, | 0:03:38 | 0:03:42 | |
William was able to study in Paris as an artist. | 0:03:42 | 0:03:45 | |
Paris was the centre of art in the world. | 0:03:47 | 0:03:51 | |
I thought, you know, after the war, I would have a few bucks | 0:03:51 | 0:03:56 | |
and I would be able to live like a king in Paris. | 0:03:56 | 0:04:01 | |
Go to La Coupole and clap Picasso and Giacometti on the shoulder. | 0:04:01 | 0:04:07 | |
I thought that was the life. | 0:04:07 | 0:04:09 | |
Klein studied under the legendary French sculptor and painter, Fernand Leger. | 0:04:13 | 0:04:16 | |
He was imposing. He was like | 0:04:19 | 0:04:23 | |
Rocky Marciano or Lee Marvin. | 0:04:23 | 0:04:26 | |
He was a big, husky, Normandy peasant. | 0:04:26 | 0:04:32 | |
He spoke in very simple terms. | 0:04:33 | 0:04:36 | |
He said all you 20-year-old apprentice geniuses, | 0:04:36 | 0:04:41 | |
you want to be well known, | 0:04:41 | 0:04:45 | |
you want to get galleries, | 0:04:45 | 0:04:47 | |
you want to meet collectors, | 0:04:47 | 0:04:48 | |
you want to make money, | 0:04:48 | 0:04:50 | |
and bullshit. | 0:04:50 | 0:04:51 | |
Leger was one of the great pioneers of modern art. | 0:04:53 | 0:04:56 | |
His work explored aspects of Cubism and futurism, | 0:04:56 | 0:05:00 | |
and also included extraordinary experimental films. | 0:05:00 | 0:05:03 | |
His ambitious multidisciplinary approach to art | 0:05:05 | 0:05:08 | |
provided a vital inspiration to the young Klein. | 0:05:08 | 0:05:12 | |
To go to Leger and to see a real 100% artist, | 0:05:13 | 0:05:19 | |
a great innovator and theoretician, was great. | 0:05:19 | 0:05:24 | |
The early work that Klein produced was full of bold lines, | 0:05:25 | 0:05:28 | |
rich colours, and a strong graphic eye | 0:05:28 | 0:05:32 | |
that would appear throughout his work. | 0:05:32 | 0:05:34 | |
-OK. -So we're going to the studio? | 0:05:38 | 0:05:42 | |
-Did you go to the Folies Bergere last night? -I wish. | 0:05:47 | 0:05:50 | |
Today is...what? Thursday, Friday? | 0:05:50 | 0:05:53 | |
It is Friday. Is it open on Friday? | 0:05:53 | 0:05:55 | |
They have a special Friday show. | 0:05:55 | 0:05:57 | |
In the Montparnasse district of Paris, | 0:06:01 | 0:06:04 | |
William still pays regular visits | 0:06:04 | 0:06:06 | |
to the studio he has been using for over 50 years. | 0:06:06 | 0:06:08 | |
Here, everything is carefully curated | 0:06:14 | 0:06:17 | |
with Klein's trademark red and black branding. | 0:06:17 | 0:06:20 | |
Here, we need more density. | 0:06:22 | 0:06:25 | |
The exhibition at Tate Modern is a few months away, | 0:06:25 | 0:06:29 | |
and William's assistant, Pierre-Louis, | 0:06:29 | 0:06:31 | |
is overseeing the preparations. | 0:06:31 | 0:06:33 | |
Something very light. | 0:06:33 | 0:06:34 | |
For William Klein, an exhibition is never just a retrospective, | 0:06:34 | 0:06:39 | |
but a spectacle, | 0:06:39 | 0:06:42 | |
with his images often printed on a grand scale. | 0:06:42 | 0:06:44 | |
C'est bien. | 0:06:46 | 0:06:47 | |
'Among the work at Tate Modern will be | 0:06:49 | 0:06:51 | |
'some of his early experiments with light and photography.' | 0:06:51 | 0:06:54 | |
You're very prescriptive about how your shows are done, | 0:06:55 | 0:06:59 | |
how the exhibitions are mounted, so what was your concept for the Tate? | 0:06:59 | 0:07:04 | |
-What was my hope and vision? -Yes. | 0:07:04 | 0:07:08 | |
A good show. | 0:07:08 | 0:07:10 | |
Bravo, Pierre-Louis. | 0:07:11 | 0:07:13 | |
Will you be doing that at the Tate, Pierre-Louis? | 0:07:13 | 0:07:15 | |
Is it performance art, this? | 0:07:15 | 0:07:18 | |
No, Pierre-Louis only does this in Paris. | 0:07:18 | 0:07:21 | |
Let the Tate manage for themselves. | 0:07:22 | 0:07:24 | |
It's these abstract images that first brought William | 0:07:26 | 0:07:30 | |
to the attention of Vogue magazine. | 0:07:30 | 0:07:33 | |
After he produced a series of works based on painted panels | 0:07:33 | 0:07:38 | |
that he'd made for an Italian architect. | 0:07:38 | 0:07:40 | |
I photographed the panels, | 0:07:40 | 0:07:44 | |
and the light wasn't very good, so the exposure was long, | 0:07:44 | 0:07:50 | |
and I had Jan, my wife, turn panels while I photographed, | 0:07:50 | 0:07:56 | |
and I saw these geometrical forms which blurred, | 0:07:56 | 0:08:00 | |
and I thought, well, maybe this is something new. | 0:08:00 | 0:08:04 | |
And I had the idea that if I had a negative, | 0:08:07 | 0:08:09 | |
I could do anything with it. | 0:08:09 | 0:08:11 | |
The renowned art director of Vogue, Alexander Liberman, | 0:08:12 | 0:08:16 | |
was struck by Klein's visual imagination | 0:08:16 | 0:08:19 | |
and invited him to work for the magazine. | 0:08:19 | 0:08:22 | |
So, he gave me a contract. It wasn't a lot of money, | 0:08:22 | 0:08:26 | |
but it was like 100 a week. | 0:08:26 | 0:08:29 | |
-Which, at that time was... -Good money! -..really good money. | 0:08:29 | 0:08:34 | |
So, despite his love of Paris, in 1954, | 0:08:43 | 0:08:46 | |
with the financial support of Vogue magazine, | 0:08:46 | 0:08:49 | |
he found himself back in New York. | 0:08:49 | 0:08:52 | |
Here, he created a groundbreaking visual portrait of the city, | 0:08:54 | 0:08:58 | |
unlike anything that had gone before. | 0:08:58 | 0:09:00 | |
A book of photographs that was not simply a collection of images, | 0:09:02 | 0:09:07 | |
but more like a movie experience, with the pictures accompanied | 0:09:07 | 0:09:10 | |
by Klein's own wry commentary. | 0:09:10 | 0:09:13 | |
'New York is a monument to the dollar. | 0:09:13 | 0:09:16 | |
'The dollar is responsible for everything, good and bad. | 0:09:16 | 0:09:21 | |
'Everybody comes for it. No one can resist it.' | 0:09:21 | 0:09:24 | |
What Klein did | 0:09:24 | 0:09:26 | |
in the mid-'50s was to take the language | 0:09:26 | 0:09:28 | |
of things like tabloid newspapers, | 0:09:28 | 0:09:30 | |
that very grainy, black-and-white, direct way of looking at the world. | 0:09:30 | 0:09:33 | |
I think coming back, he really smelled the energy of New York | 0:09:33 | 0:09:37 | |
and wanted to translate that through these very grainy, black and white, | 0:09:37 | 0:09:41 | |
almost stream of consciousness images. | 0:09:41 | 0:09:44 | |
He had this eye that was kind of fearless. | 0:09:44 | 0:09:48 | |
His pictures were raw, rugged, they were in your face. | 0:09:48 | 0:09:54 | |
He seemed to have the courage to go forward rather than step backwards. | 0:09:54 | 0:10:00 | |
'Klein's New York book, first published in the 1950s, | 0:10:01 | 0:10:06 | |
'is now one of the most collectable of all photography books.' | 0:10:06 | 0:10:09 | |
I've never seen the original of this book, | 0:10:09 | 0:10:13 | |
I've only seen a version of it. | 0:10:13 | 0:10:15 | |
'It came with an ironic subtitle, | 0:10:15 | 0:10:17 | |
'"Life is good and good for you in New York", | 0:10:17 | 0:10:20 | |
'and a playful, unconventional layout.' | 0:10:20 | 0:10:25 | |
So, here is a photograph that was taken on St Patrick's Day. | 0:10:25 | 0:10:30 | |
All these guys are Irish. | 0:10:30 | 0:10:32 | |
A lot of the people in my photographs | 0:10:32 | 0:10:35 | |
either look at me, or there is always somebody to the side | 0:10:35 | 0:10:39 | |
who is looking at the group and saying, | 0:10:39 | 0:10:43 | |
"What is this guy photographing?" | 0:10:43 | 0:10:46 | |
It wasn't usual at that time. This is 1955, '54. | 0:10:46 | 0:10:49 | |
It was kind of surprising | 0:10:49 | 0:10:53 | |
for a lot of people to see me photographing them, you know. | 0:10:53 | 0:10:57 | |
'The book takes the reader on a very personal journey | 0:11:04 | 0:11:07 | |
'around the neighbourhoods of '50s New York.' | 0:11:07 | 0:11:10 | |
'Some 10,000 flourish in the several streets of Chinatown. | 0:11:14 | 0:11:18 | |
'About 80% are bachelors. The average age, 51. | 0:11:18 | 0:11:22 | |
'Many still have wives and children in China. | 0:11:23 | 0:11:26 | |
'The Italian preteen club present baseball player card collection. | 0:11:28 | 0:11:32 | |
'My old neighbourhood. | 0:11:34 | 0:11:35 | |
'The stick ball team with girl cleanup hitter captain, rare.' | 0:11:35 | 0:11:40 | |
This is a composed photograph. This is in Little Italy. | 0:11:43 | 0:11:48 | |
The dwarf was the mascot, | 0:11:48 | 0:11:50 | |
and these guys played with the dwarf. | 0:11:50 | 0:11:53 | |
And the dwarf was there. They were proud to show me their mascot. | 0:11:53 | 0:11:58 | |
He was proud to be their mascot. | 0:11:58 | 0:12:01 | |
I thought it was very unsavoury and...insulting, | 0:12:02 | 0:12:11 | |
but they didn't. | 0:12:11 | 0:12:12 | |
'To understand Klein's fascination with the streets he photographed, | 0:12:23 | 0:12:28 | |
'I went with William back to the neighbourhood where he grew up.' | 0:12:28 | 0:12:31 | |
How much affection do you have for New York? | 0:12:31 | 0:12:34 | |
I'm wondering, do I have an affection for New York? | 0:12:34 | 0:12:39 | |
I tolerate New York. | 0:12:39 | 0:12:41 | |
You tolerate New York. You love Paris? | 0:12:41 | 0:12:44 | |
I love Paris. | 0:12:44 | 0:12:46 | |
Let's go to the corner of 108th and Amsterdam. | 0:12:49 | 0:12:55 | |
That's the house where you lived. | 0:12:55 | 0:12:56 | |
That's the house I lived, and I'm pretty sure there's no plaque! | 0:12:56 | 0:13:02 | |
William Klein was born in 1928 | 0:13:06 | 0:13:08 | |
to a Jewish immigrant family, | 0:13:08 | 0:13:11 | |
rocked by the impact of the great Stock Market Crash. | 0:13:11 | 0:13:14 | |
My grandfather was a tailor, | 0:13:16 | 0:13:19 | |
and he was successful. | 0:13:19 | 0:13:21 | |
And then my father, who took it over, played the stock market in 1929, | 0:13:21 | 0:13:29 | |
which wasn't a good time to play the stock market. | 0:13:29 | 0:13:32 | |
And he lost everything. | 0:13:32 | 0:13:35 | |
We had to move, and we were in a real dump on the West Side. | 0:13:38 | 0:13:44 | |
The family were forced to move to a tough neighbourhood, | 0:13:44 | 0:13:48 | |
not far from Harlem. | 0:13:48 | 0:13:50 | |
The good life and the crappy life were very often juxtaposed. | 0:13:52 | 0:13:56 | |
There was a film that came out when I was in New York at that time, | 0:13:57 | 0:14:01 | |
called the Dead End Kids, | 0:14:01 | 0:14:03 | |
and in this film, you'd see an upscale apartment house | 0:14:03 | 0:14:07 | |
and right next to it was a slum. | 0:14:07 | 0:14:11 | |
It was a matter of life and death to walk five blocks. | 0:14:11 | 0:14:15 | |
A real New York situation. | 0:14:15 | 0:14:17 | |
Out of sight! | 0:14:17 | 0:14:19 | |
I was brought up on the streets, part of a New York underclass. | 0:14:19 | 0:14:26 | |
Here we are. OK, thank you. | 0:14:28 | 0:14:32 | |
A pilgrimage. | 0:14:32 | 0:14:34 | |
201. | 0:14:34 | 0:14:36 | |
That's it. | 0:14:36 | 0:14:37 | |
Look at the door. The door is very chic. | 0:14:37 | 0:14:40 | |
And the buttons. | 0:14:40 | 0:14:41 | |
I just rang number one. | 0:14:47 | 0:14:49 | |
My friend William... Oh, thank you. ..Used to live here, | 0:14:52 | 0:14:55 | |
-so we're trying to... He lived here... -OK. -..many, many years ago. | 0:14:55 | 0:14:59 | |
-What apartment? -The first one, here. | 0:14:59 | 0:15:02 | |
KNOCKS REPEATEDLY | 0:15:06 | 0:15:08 | |
-It's kind of a... -It's a knock, all right. | 0:15:11 | 0:15:13 | |
People inside, they hear that, they think it's the police | 0:15:13 | 0:15:16 | |
or the Mafia! | 0:15:16 | 0:15:19 | |
'There's no-one home, but it doesn't seem to bother him too much. | 0:15:20 | 0:15:25 | |
'I can see that William is a man always living in the moment.' | 0:15:25 | 0:15:28 | |
-You go to school? -Yes. -Down the block? | 0:15:28 | 0:15:31 | |
'Take him back to the place he was brought up | 0:15:31 | 0:15:33 | |
-'and there's no great nostalgia.' -Can I ask you a question? | 0:15:33 | 0:15:36 | |
'He's more curious about the people living here now.' | 0:15:36 | 0:15:39 | |
Are there still cockroaches around? | 0:15:39 | 0:15:41 | |
I saw one, maybe last week, but I have a cat, so he took care of it. | 0:15:41 | 0:15:45 | |
-Were you born here? -Yes. -In this house? -Yes. | 0:15:45 | 0:15:49 | |
My grandmother's been here for 40-something years. | 0:15:49 | 0:15:52 | |
And you like this neighbourhood? | 0:15:52 | 0:15:53 | |
It's home to me, it's all I know. | 0:15:53 | 0:15:56 | |
When Klein's family lived here, this was a poor community, | 0:15:58 | 0:16:02 | |
hit hard by the Depression. | 0:16:02 | 0:16:04 | |
Tell me about your father. | 0:16:06 | 0:16:08 | |
So, when you came here, your father was sort of coming downmarket, | 0:16:08 | 0:16:11 | |
-then...? -He was moving down the ladder. | 0:16:11 | 0:16:14 | |
HE CHUCKLES | 0:16:14 | 0:16:16 | |
I guess I felt it was going down the scale | 0:16:16 | 0:16:22 | |
of success in America. | 0:16:22 | 0:16:25 | |
And... | 0:16:25 | 0:16:27 | |
I was not too excited. | 0:16:27 | 0:16:30 | |
During this period, in his early teens, | 0:16:30 | 0:16:33 | |
William was already captivated by art, | 0:16:33 | 0:16:36 | |
trekking across town to visit the Museum of Modern Art. | 0:16:36 | 0:16:40 | |
What made a boy of 13, 14 make his way to the Museum of Modern Art? | 0:16:42 | 0:16:47 | |
Uh, you know, must be in my genes somewhere. | 0:16:47 | 0:16:50 | |
Uh, I guess... | 0:16:52 | 0:16:55 | |
there was also an element of wanting to get out of | 0:16:55 | 0:16:58 | |
a shitty place like this. | 0:16:58 | 0:17:00 | |
NEWSREEL: 'No dusty storehouse for old Masters, | 0:17:00 | 0:17:03 | |
'this museum is an up-to-date showroom for the art of our time. | 0:17:03 | 0:17:07 | |
'Painting and sculpture, architecture and still photography | 0:17:07 | 0:17:10 | |
'and the motion picture.' | 0:17:10 | 0:17:12 | |
Art seemed to be, for me, a way of... | 0:17:12 | 0:17:17 | |
moving out, moving up. | 0:17:17 | 0:17:19 | |
Listen, let's get out of this fucking place! | 0:17:19 | 0:17:23 | |
Did you like my old house? | 0:17:29 | 0:17:31 | |
-I liked the congeniality of the company we met there. -Yeah. | 0:17:31 | 0:17:36 | |
It was a real kind of community. Was it like that when you were there? | 0:17:36 | 0:17:41 | |
No! | 0:17:41 | 0:17:42 | |
We're going up to Harlem. | 0:17:45 | 0:17:47 | |
Harlem was one of the neighbourhoods that featured | 0:17:47 | 0:17:51 | |
prominently in the New York book. | 0:17:51 | 0:17:53 | |
When you went there with the camera, | 0:17:54 | 0:17:57 | |
did that give you a kind of excuse to be looking, do you think? | 0:17:57 | 0:18:00 | |
The camera was an excuse, yes. | 0:18:00 | 0:18:04 | |
'Horsing around in Harlem. | 0:18:04 | 0:18:07 | |
'"Man, what do you want to take our picture for?" | 0:18:07 | 0:18:10 | |
'Trying to escape the lens, but playful, a game.' | 0:18:10 | 0:18:13 | |
A lot of people would say, "Are you crazy, going up to Harlem?" | 0:18:16 | 0:18:21 | |
People that I would be more or less afraid of looking at directly, | 0:18:21 | 0:18:26 | |
I felt at ease taking their photographs. | 0:18:26 | 0:18:29 | |
'The Whites never go to Harlem, never even think of it, | 0:18:29 | 0:18:33 | |
'for Harlem lies off-limits, somewhere in the bad conscience of the city. | 0:18:33 | 0:18:38 | |
'New York time missed a beat here. | 0:18:39 | 0:18:41 | |
'Since the Whites left Harlem, the clocks stopped.' | 0:18:41 | 0:18:45 | |
GIRLS CHATTER | 0:18:45 | 0:18:47 | |
Despite the fact that he has some difficulty moving these days, | 0:18:54 | 0:18:58 | |
William's eager to meet and talk to people on the street. | 0:18:58 | 0:19:02 | |
With the help of our driver, John, we went to talk to the locals. | 0:19:03 | 0:19:07 | |
I can only guess what he'd have been like in his prime, | 0:19:10 | 0:19:13 | |
-prowling the streets of New York. -Does he know what you know? | 0:19:13 | 0:19:16 | |
No, I know SOME of what he knows... | 0:19:16 | 0:19:19 | |
You were what, photographing in Harlem how many years ago? | 0:19:19 | 0:19:22 | |
-Many years ago. -Many years ago? -How many years? The '60s? | 0:19:22 | 0:19:25 | |
-The '50s? -'50s. -Oh, yeah? | 0:19:25 | 0:19:28 | |
-Who were the subjects you were photographing? -Just people. | 0:19:28 | 0:19:32 | |
-Just people. Oh, all right. -I photographed the kids. | 0:19:32 | 0:19:36 | |
'Close close-up. | 0:19:36 | 0:19:38 | |
'You could go into an empty Latin Harlem then, | 0:19:38 | 0:19:40 | |
'tell the kids, "Move closer, hold it, look here, play the harmonica." | 0:19:40 | 0:19:44 | |
'You could do that then.' | 0:19:44 | 0:19:45 | |
It was a real community, everybody looked out for one another. | 0:19:47 | 0:19:51 | |
-Here, in Harlem? -Yes, everybody looked out for one another. You know? | 0:19:51 | 0:19:55 | |
See, a lot of Caucasians, they were afraid to come to Harlem. | 0:19:55 | 0:19:58 | |
-Yeah. -All the movie stars, politicians, | 0:19:58 | 0:20:02 | |
-they used to come uptown to see our shows. -And you guys couldn't get in. | 0:20:02 | 0:20:07 | |
Yeah. We used to go in the back. We had to go in the back. | 0:20:07 | 0:20:10 | |
THEY CHUCKLE | 0:20:10 | 0:20:12 | |
Yeah. | 0:20:13 | 0:20:14 | |
William still carries his camera with him everywhere | 0:20:14 | 0:20:18 | |
and today is no exception. | 0:20:18 | 0:20:20 | |
-You've still got a good eye, William. -Yes. | 0:20:23 | 0:20:26 | |
-You have a good eye. -That's easy, man. | 0:20:26 | 0:20:29 | |
That's what made you a good photographer. | 0:20:29 | 0:20:32 | |
-Cos you've got a good eye! -A good eye. -Yes. | 0:20:32 | 0:20:34 | |
You need more than that. | 0:20:34 | 0:20:37 | |
The thing with Klein's New York is you start looking through, | 0:20:37 | 0:20:40 | |
and it's the accumulation of these pictures which really counts, | 0:20:40 | 0:20:43 | |
so by the end of it, you haven't just seen a collection of individual pictures, | 0:20:43 | 0:20:47 | |
you've seen an accumulation, which creates this noise, which gives off energy, | 0:20:47 | 0:20:50 | |
which reflects so accurately | 0:20:50 | 0:20:53 | |
what was going on in New York in the mid-1950s. | 0:20:53 | 0:20:56 | |
'Pseudo-poster for the American dream. | 0:20:56 | 0:20:59 | |
'Italian cop, integrated Hispanic, | 0:20:59 | 0:21:03 | |
'Yiddish momma, | 0:21:03 | 0:21:04 | |
'African-American lady, plus beret. | 0:21:04 | 0:21:07 | |
'The melting pot.' | 0:21:07 | 0:21:09 | |
Klein wasn't the only pioneering street photographer, | 0:21:12 | 0:21:15 | |
but his harshly-framed, often blurred and distorted pictures | 0:21:15 | 0:21:18 | |
had a look that was entirely his own. | 0:21:18 | 0:21:22 | |
Another famous photograph, which...was used a lot. | 0:21:25 | 0:21:29 | |
These kids were just play-acting and they weren't... | 0:21:29 | 0:21:33 | |
Threatening. | 0:21:33 | 0:21:35 | |
..as tough as they look. | 0:21:35 | 0:21:37 | |
I asked them to look tough and for me, it's a self-portrait, you know? | 0:21:37 | 0:21:42 | |
I also played on the street with guns, | 0:21:42 | 0:21:46 | |
but I was also a sort of angelic... | 0:21:46 | 0:21:50 | |
So I was both of them. | 0:21:51 | 0:21:54 | |
You know you're not supposed to smoke on the BBC, William. | 0:21:56 | 0:21:59 | |
You're not used to doing what you're told, are you? | 0:21:59 | 0:22:02 | |
'These contrasting sides to Klein's personality - | 0:22:02 | 0:22:06 | |
'the straight-talking street kid and the sensitive artist - | 0:22:06 | 0:22:08 | |
'are a key to understanding the richness of his work.' | 0:22:08 | 0:22:12 | |
This has been gruelling. | 0:22:12 | 0:22:13 | |
'I sense that rawness' | 0:22:13 | 0:22:15 | |
in his make up. | 0:22:15 | 0:22:17 | |
I know for a fact he doesn't suffer fools gladly, | 0:22:18 | 0:22:21 | |
that you mustn't upset him, so, | 0:22:21 | 0:22:23 | |
there is an emotional quickness and rawness about him as a person. | 0:22:23 | 0:22:27 | |
And it definitely comes across in his photography. | 0:22:27 | 0:22:31 | |
'Get your camera out of my face. Unusual, but OK.' | 0:22:34 | 0:22:39 | |
Klein developed a language which was, at the time, incredibly radical | 0:22:42 | 0:22:46 | |
and unique. | 0:22:46 | 0:22:47 | |
Now we see it all the time, and in fact, every time we DO see it, | 0:22:47 | 0:22:50 | |
they are, in fact, children of Klein. | 0:22:50 | 0:22:52 | |
His distinctive style has influenced generations of photographers around the world, | 0:22:53 | 0:22:58 | |
including the leading Japanese photographer, Daido Moriyama, | 0:22:58 | 0:23:01 | |
whose work is being shown alongside Klein's at Tate Modern. | 0:23:01 | 0:23:05 | |
And for one legendary British photographer, | 0:23:07 | 0:23:10 | |
Klein's example was an inspiration. | 0:23:10 | 0:23:13 | |
It was completely in-your-face, the way he worked. | 0:23:13 | 0:23:16 | |
And that's what attracted, you know, him to me. | 0:23:16 | 0:23:20 | |
I thought, "This is the kind of man I would like to be, | 0:23:20 | 0:23:23 | |
"this is the way my photography has to be - no half-measures, straight in." | 0:23:23 | 0:23:27 | |
You look at Klein's work and you believe you're looking at reality. | 0:23:31 | 0:23:34 | |
There's a strong sense of composition, | 0:23:34 | 0:23:37 | |
but then real-life and randomness | 0:23:37 | 0:23:39 | |
is allowed to come in and out of the frame. | 0:23:39 | 0:23:41 | |
'Cashier in Broadway Cinema. | 0:23:44 | 0:23:46 | |
'At home in her glass case on the sidewalk, she reads, dreams, | 0:23:46 | 0:23:51 | |
'phones, makes up, completely oblivious of the sidewalk audience.' | 0:23:51 | 0:23:56 | |
As well as enigmatic moments | 0:23:58 | 0:24:00 | |
fleetingly captured by Klein's camera, the book is full of scenes | 0:24:00 | 0:24:04 | |
where the subjects are clearly very aware of what's going on. | 0:24:04 | 0:24:08 | |
I think some of his best pictures | 0:24:08 | 0:24:11 | |
are a mix, where you get | 0:24:11 | 0:24:13 | |
a kind of gallery of characters in the shot. | 0:24:13 | 0:24:16 | |
And some of them are clearly aware of what's going on | 0:24:16 | 0:24:19 | |
and are playing up to the camera. | 0:24:19 | 0:24:21 | |
And you feel this very collaborative theatre in the pictures. | 0:24:21 | 0:24:27 | |
-John? -Yes? I'm getting my hair cut. | 0:24:40 | 0:24:43 | |
You're getting your hair shaved. | 0:24:43 | 0:24:45 | |
-That's not a haircut, that's a shave, man. -I'm getting my hair shaved. | 0:24:45 | 0:24:48 | |
Ah, you're a good man, William. | 0:24:51 | 0:24:53 | |
The gods are with you. | 0:24:53 | 0:24:55 | |
Why are you walking around with film? You got to get with the times! | 0:24:56 | 0:25:00 | |
I like film. I'm old-fashioned. | 0:25:00 | 0:25:03 | |
-William may seem old-fashioned in today's digital age... -I have film. | 0:25:03 | 0:25:08 | |
I'm ready to go. | 0:25:08 | 0:25:11 | |
.. but when he began taking pictures, | 0:25:11 | 0:25:14 | |
they were a radical departure from the work of many | 0:25:14 | 0:25:16 | |
of his contemporaries, including the fabled Henri Cartier-Bresson. | 0:25:16 | 0:25:21 | |
Cartier-Bresson kept this distance, almost as if he was a ghost, | 0:25:21 | 0:25:27 | |
walking amongst the people of the streets of the world, you know? | 0:25:27 | 0:25:31 | |
Whereas Klein make no pretence that he was there | 0:25:31 | 0:25:35 | |
and he was coming after you with that camera. | 0:25:35 | 0:25:38 | |
John? | 0:25:38 | 0:25:39 | |
-Yes? -Sing us some Placido Domingo. | 0:25:39 | 0:25:44 | |
HE SINGS | 0:25:44 | 0:25:46 | |
The irony was, William took his pictures using a camera | 0:25:52 | 0:25:56 | |
he'd bought from Cartier-Bresson. | 0:25:56 | 0:26:00 | |
It shows so ably and so well | 0:26:00 | 0:26:03 | |
how photography can be so different with a different author | 0:26:03 | 0:26:06 | |
and different photographer behind the camera. | 0:26:06 | 0:26:09 | |
-Excuse me, what's your name? -Ramona. | 0:26:09 | 0:26:11 | |
-Ramona, are you going to cut my hair a little bit? -Yes, I do now. -OK. | 0:26:11 | 0:26:16 | |
Klein's New York images were obsessed not only with the people, | 0:26:17 | 0:26:20 | |
but with how New York was a city constantly selling itself. | 0:26:20 | 0:26:25 | |
This was the age of Mad Men, the birth of advertising | 0:26:26 | 0:26:29 | |
and Klein's images brought a satirical eye | 0:26:29 | 0:26:32 | |
to a city in which people were drowning in the big sell. | 0:26:32 | 0:26:35 | |
'Advertising today is mainly grotesque. | 0:26:37 | 0:26:40 | |
'Such a conspiracy has developed between advertiser and public | 0:26:40 | 0:26:44 | |
'that it's become a gag. The public is grateful, yaks, then goes along.' | 0:26:44 | 0:26:49 | |
Vogue never printed his photographs. | 0:26:51 | 0:26:54 | |
In fact, he couldn't find a publisher at all in America | 0:26:54 | 0:26:57 | |
for his unfashionably gritty pictures. | 0:26:57 | 0:27:00 | |
William, by then back in Paris, just thought they'd missed the point. | 0:27:00 | 0:27:05 | |
IN FRENCH | 0:27:05 | 0:27:08 | |
-John, do you know where we're going? -Yes. -Good. | 0:27:25 | 0:27:28 | |
Look at this. What's going on? | 0:27:30 | 0:27:32 | |
When he was starting, Klein was one of a small group of pioneers, | 0:27:32 | 0:27:36 | |
documenting the streets around them. | 0:27:36 | 0:27:39 | |
-Is this Times Square? -Yeah. | 0:27:39 | 0:27:41 | |
Now, the urge to capture everything with a camera | 0:27:41 | 0:27:44 | |
is a mainstream obsession. | 0:27:44 | 0:27:46 | |
-Everyone's got a camera now, you know? -Everybody, that's the thing. | 0:27:50 | 0:27:54 | |
What's amazing is that all these people buy a camera | 0:27:55 | 0:28:00 | |
and start using it and what they do are the most avant-garde things | 0:28:00 | 0:28:04 | |
that no professional cameraman would dare to do. | 0:28:04 | 0:28:09 | |
In 1958, | 0:28:11 | 0:28:13 | |
still experimenting with new ways of documenting New York, | 0:28:13 | 0:28:17 | |
William picked up a film camera and came here to Times Square, | 0:28:17 | 0:28:21 | |
where, over a period of nights, he shot a remarkable short film - | 0:28:21 | 0:28:27 | |
Broadway By Light. | 0:28:27 | 0:28:29 | |
His mesmerising, beautifully-scored meditation on a city | 0:28:29 | 0:28:33 | |
enthralled to the consumer image is regarded by many | 0:28:33 | 0:28:36 | |
as an early Pop Art classic. | 0:28:36 | 0:28:39 | |
When I did Broadway By Light, | 0:28:48 | 0:28:50 | |
I had a tripod and a small Arriflex. | 0:28:50 | 0:28:54 | |
The people who came by and saw me filming it... | 0:28:54 | 0:28:58 | |
at, you know, 11 o'clock at night, in the freezing cold, | 0:28:58 | 0:29:02 | |
they would look at the camera and tripod and... | 0:29:02 | 0:29:05 | |
"Hey, man, you got a great camera, man." | 0:29:05 | 0:29:09 | |
But they never asked me what I was filming or why. | 0:29:09 | 0:29:13 | |
I got visitors from the FBI who came by and said, | 0:29:17 | 0:29:21 | |
"We want you to make a film that glorifies America." | 0:29:21 | 0:29:24 | |
-I said, "OK." -Really? -No. | 0:29:25 | 0:29:29 | |
I did it a bit in that spirit. | 0:29:31 | 0:29:34 | |
A lot of people said, you're doing a book | 0:29:34 | 0:29:38 | |
so dark and black and anti-American. | 0:29:38 | 0:29:43 | |
I said, I'll do something which will be beautiful, | 0:29:43 | 0:29:46 | |
in colour, which would also talk about | 0:29:46 | 0:29:50 | |
consumerism...and selling. | 0:29:50 | 0:29:55 | |
It was a conscious effort to continue my diatribe | 0:29:57 | 0:30:03 | |
against America but in candy-coloured heaven. | 0:30:03 | 0:30:10 | |
You call it a diatribe but there's something playful about | 0:30:10 | 0:30:13 | |
what you do as well. | 0:30:13 | 0:30:14 | |
It's a hymn to America, it's a hymn to money, | 0:30:14 | 0:30:18 | |
a hymn to commerce. | 0:30:18 | 0:30:20 | |
It's a hymn to the most beautiful thing in New York. | 0:30:20 | 0:30:25 | |
What was it like when you came here all those years ago? | 0:30:42 | 0:30:44 | |
When you put your tripod up, where did you put it? | 0:30:44 | 0:30:47 | |
When I did this film? Right here. | 0:30:47 | 0:30:50 | |
It was like a living room. | 0:30:50 | 0:30:52 | |
All the walls were covered. | 0:30:52 | 0:30:54 | |
And, er... | 0:30:54 | 0:30:56 | |
It was intimate and gemutlich. | 0:30:56 | 0:30:59 | |
Comfortable. Gemutlich. | 0:30:59 | 0:31:01 | |
Yeah, really. | 0:31:01 | 0:31:03 | |
This is the interesting thing about Klein's vision of New York. | 0:31:05 | 0:31:08 | |
There's a warmth but also an edge, which seems to capture the city, | 0:31:09 | 0:31:13 | |
its people and the one thing they've always had in common. | 0:31:13 | 0:31:17 | |
Everybody in New York thinks they're special. | 0:31:21 | 0:31:24 | |
They all thought they were entitled to be famous. | 0:31:24 | 0:31:27 | |
They thought they deserved to be photographed. | 0:31:27 | 0:31:30 | |
They were all complicit in those pictures that you took. | 0:31:30 | 0:31:33 | |
-They were. -They wanted to be part of it. | 0:31:33 | 0:31:36 | |
They wanted to pose for you. | 0:31:36 | 0:31:38 | |
Klein's portrait of a city has attitude and energy, | 0:31:42 | 0:31:45 | |
fuelled, as always, by his mischievous sense of humour. | 0:31:45 | 0:31:49 | |
-You took a picture with that? -Yeah. -Let's have a look. | 0:31:49 | 0:31:53 | |
That's quite fun. | 0:31:56 | 0:31:58 | |
It's all right. | 0:31:58 | 0:32:00 | |
Throughout this period, William was still being paid by Vogue magazine. | 0:32:04 | 0:32:07 | |
It wasn't long before he was persuaded | 0:32:07 | 0:32:09 | |
to take fashion photographs, | 0:32:09 | 0:32:11 | |
bringing the same invention and originality | 0:32:11 | 0:32:15 | |
that his Vogue mentor, Alex Lieberman, had first spotted | 0:32:15 | 0:32:18 | |
in his early work. | 0:32:18 | 0:32:20 | |
Alex Lieberman | 0:32:22 | 0:32:24 | |
was always looking for the kind of energy | 0:32:24 | 0:32:27 | |
and the kind of immediacy of a news photograph, | 0:32:27 | 0:32:32 | |
which was one reason that I think | 0:32:32 | 0:32:34 | |
that Bill's photography appealed to him so much. | 0:32:34 | 0:32:37 | |
It was because it had that sense of action. | 0:32:37 | 0:32:41 | |
What's exceptional about William's work is that | 0:32:44 | 0:32:47 | |
every single image is so powerful. | 0:32:47 | 0:32:50 | |
He's not satisfied with the ordinary. | 0:32:50 | 0:32:54 | |
He's only interested in the extraordinary. | 0:32:54 | 0:32:57 | |
Where Klein's New York photos had been in your face, | 0:32:57 | 0:33:01 | |
many of his fashion images adopted new techniques, | 0:33:01 | 0:33:05 | |
experimenting with tele-photo lenses, | 0:33:05 | 0:33:08 | |
mirrors and some of the dark room trickery he'd learnt | 0:33:08 | 0:33:11 | |
in his youthful Paris days. | 0:33:11 | 0:33:14 | |
But he had not lost his passion for the street | 0:33:17 | 0:33:20 | |
and for all the drama and confrontations it offered. | 0:33:20 | 0:33:23 | |
Bill was more interested in photography | 0:33:23 | 0:33:27 | |
than in fashion. | 0:33:27 | 0:33:28 | |
He was not the only photographer who did photos out of doors. | 0:33:28 | 0:33:33 | |
But Bill was the only one who put the girls in amazing situations, | 0:33:33 | 0:33:40 | |
like standing around in the middle of the traffic | 0:33:40 | 0:33:44 | |
or climbing on statues or in and out of fountains. | 0:33:44 | 0:33:48 | |
The more difficult the situation, | 0:33:48 | 0:33:51 | |
the better he liked it. | 0:33:51 | 0:33:53 | |
At the Tate exhibition, | 0:34:14 | 0:34:15 | |
one of Klein's most iconic fashion images | 0:34:15 | 0:34:18 | |
is now taking pride of place. | 0:34:18 | 0:34:20 | |
-Here we are. -Here we are. -In Rome. -Piazza da Spagna. | 0:34:22 | 0:34:26 | |
I was doing a story for Vogue | 0:34:26 | 0:34:29 | |
on the fashion collections in Rome. | 0:34:29 | 0:34:32 | |
And I was shown | 0:34:32 | 0:34:36 | |
these two dresses. | 0:34:36 | 0:34:37 | |
I said, "I know what we'll do. | 0:34:37 | 0:34:40 | |
We'll do it on the pedestrian crossing at Piazza da Spagna. | 0:34:40 | 0:34:45 | |
I had these girls walking back and forth, | 0:34:45 | 0:34:49 | |
doing doubletakes because they had more or less the same dress. | 0:34:49 | 0:34:52 | |
I was up on the steps of the Piazza da Spagna. | 0:34:52 | 0:34:56 | |
I was experimenting... | 0:34:56 | 0:34:58 | |
You were on a tele-photo? | 0:34:58 | 0:35:00 | |
A tele-photo. You see everything is flattened out. | 0:35:00 | 0:35:04 | |
They couldn't see you so they didn't know what was going on. | 0:35:04 | 0:35:07 | |
Nobody could see me. I was half way up the steps. | 0:35:07 | 0:35:10 | |
These men didn't understand. | 0:35:10 | 0:35:13 | |
They thought they were hookers. | 0:35:13 | 0:35:15 | |
They walked up, starting feeling their ass. | 0:35:15 | 0:35:18 | |
The editor from Vogue started panicking and she said, | 0:35:18 | 0:35:22 | |
"We're going to create a scandal." | 0:35:22 | 0:35:26 | |
So we had to stop. | 0:35:26 | 0:35:28 | |
I was on the sidewalk, | 0:35:28 | 0:35:30 | |
biting my nails, terrified that the police would turn up | 0:35:30 | 0:35:34 | |
cos traffic was beginning to slow, | 0:35:34 | 0:35:37 | |
men were beginning to congregate. | 0:35:37 | 0:35:39 | |
The whole thing was getting a little fraught. | 0:35:39 | 0:35:42 | |
Bill was laughing his head off. | 0:35:42 | 0:35:44 | |
That was typical of how we worked on location. | 0:35:44 | 0:35:48 | |
I like these situations where things just developed. | 0:35:48 | 0:35:53 | |
Did this picture cause quite a sensation when it came out? | 0:35:53 | 0:35:57 | |
All the photographic stores were besieged by photographers, | 0:35:57 | 0:36:01 | |
buying tele-photo lenses for their fashion shoots. | 0:36:01 | 0:36:05 | |
I think it's a good idea. Still think it's a good idea. | 0:36:06 | 0:36:09 | |
While his New York images feel like a real portrait of the city... | 0:36:14 | 0:36:18 | |
..his fashion images constantly play with the idea of reality, | 0:36:20 | 0:36:23 | |
drawing attention to their artifice. | 0:36:23 | 0:36:26 | |
I'm not so sure William actually likes fashion. | 0:36:33 | 0:36:36 | |
He always says to me he can take it or leave it. | 0:36:36 | 0:36:39 | |
He says that the difference is when he's working on reportage, | 0:36:39 | 0:36:42 | |
he's capturing a moment in time that he can't control. | 0:36:42 | 0:36:47 | |
He gets very excited by that. | 0:36:47 | 0:36:49 | |
But when he's working in fashion, it tends to be | 0:36:49 | 0:36:53 | |
he has assistants, there are sets, it's about imagery | 0:36:53 | 0:36:57 | |
and creating a more playful idea. | 0:36:57 | 0:37:01 | |
Because he understood how to create a powerful picture, | 0:37:06 | 0:37:10 | |
he created a lot of iconic fashion pictures. | 0:37:10 | 0:37:13 | |
Great photographers like Avidon, Penn, Klein, | 0:37:13 | 0:37:16 | |
they establish their ideas and then the fashion world comes along | 0:37:16 | 0:37:19 | |
and uses them and that's fine. | 0:37:19 | 0:37:23 | |
You reap the reward of being well-paid. | 0:37:23 | 0:37:26 | |
It means your work can go more mainstream. | 0:37:26 | 0:37:29 | |
William is still in touch with some of his models. | 0:37:29 | 0:37:31 | |
In New York, he caught up and reminisced | 0:37:31 | 0:37:34 | |
with one of his favourites, Dorothy MacGowan. | 0:37:34 | 0:37:37 | |
-This is Dorothy again. -I'm standing on a platform. | 0:37:37 | 0:37:42 | |
I fell down. | 0:37:42 | 0:37:44 | |
Did he care? | 0:37:45 | 0:37:46 | |
I think he felt like a jerk. | 0:37:47 | 0:37:49 | |
I was very angry. I had to go to the doctor. | 0:37:49 | 0:37:52 | |
He got so involved in his work, | 0:37:52 | 0:37:56 | |
he forgot that I was real. | 0:37:56 | 0:37:58 | |
DOROTHY LAUGHS | 0:37:59 | 0:38:01 | |
Dorothy was one of the supermodels of her day. | 0:38:04 | 0:38:07 | |
But Klein's energetic, spontaneous style | 0:38:07 | 0:38:10 | |
was a world away from what she had been used to. | 0:38:10 | 0:38:13 | |
With Bill...it was crazy! | 0:38:13 | 0:38:18 | |
We had a lot of fun. We laughed. Nobody came near us. | 0:38:18 | 0:38:21 | |
They just stayed away. | 0:38:21 | 0:38:23 | |
There were no rules, at least as far as HE was concerned. | 0:38:25 | 0:38:28 | |
That's a little shocking to some people. | 0:38:29 | 0:38:32 | |
Tough! | 0:38:32 | 0:38:34 | |
How was the background created? | 0:38:34 | 0:38:37 | |
I would take a flash and I had an assistant with lights, | 0:38:37 | 0:38:40 | |
he would go around the silhouette, | 0:38:40 | 0:38:43 | |
put it over her head and do this. | 0:38:43 | 0:38:46 | |
It looks like a Japanese ideogram. | 0:38:46 | 0:38:47 | |
I love that. Sometimes, we had the flash ourselves | 0:38:47 | 0:38:51 | |
and we created our own, like here. | 0:38:51 | 0:38:53 | |
-She didn't know. -You're so full of baloney! | 0:38:53 | 0:38:56 | |
Here I created my own flash. | 0:38:56 | 0:38:58 | |
I'm almost sure. | 0:38:58 | 0:38:59 | |
All you did was hold out your hand for this big cheque. | 0:38:59 | 0:39:03 | |
A big cheque? Are you kidding? From Vogue?! | 0:39:03 | 0:39:06 | |
THEY LAUGH | 0:39:06 | 0:39:08 | |
-Think again! -She was very funny... | 0:39:08 | 0:39:11 | |
Seeing William and Dorothy together, you can tell | 0:39:11 | 0:39:14 | |
how the teasing quality of the pictures | 0:39:14 | 0:39:16 | |
is right there in his relationship with his models. | 0:39:16 | 0:39:19 | |
I never kissed any models. | 0:39:20 | 0:39:22 | |
I was the only one who never flirted with the models. True? | 0:39:22 | 0:39:25 | |
Well, I... No, that's not true. | 0:39:27 | 0:39:29 | |
-Practically. -What do you mean that's not true? | 0:39:29 | 0:39:32 | |
First of all, you were much cuter than a lot of the photographers. | 0:39:32 | 0:39:37 | |
It was very clear that you | 0:39:37 | 0:39:40 | |
and Janine were very clearly a couple. | 0:39:40 | 0:39:44 | |
There was nowhere to go with you. You understand? | 0:39:44 | 0:39:46 | |
You were a man who was married and you were happily married. | 0:39:46 | 0:39:50 | |
We were. | 0:39:50 | 0:39:52 | |
In 1966, after nearly a decade taking fashion pictures, | 0:39:55 | 0:39:59 | |
William made his first feature film - | 0:39:59 | 0:40:01 | |
Who Are You, Polly Maggoo? - | 0:40:01 | 0:40:03 | |
casting Dorothy as a young fashion model making her way | 0:40:03 | 0:40:06 | |
in the business in a parody of a celebrity-obsessed media. | 0:40:06 | 0:40:11 | |
What was it about the fashion world that intrigued you so much? | 0:40:23 | 0:40:26 | |
The film is not about fashion. It's about media. | 0:40:26 | 0:40:32 | |
Fashion is part of media. | 0:40:32 | 0:40:34 | |
It is also something that is pretty funny, | 0:40:34 | 0:40:38 | |
graphic and inventive. | 0:40:38 | 0:40:42 | |
I thought, "Let's do a film on fashion." | 0:40:42 | 0:40:46 | |
We were all pressed into service. | 0:41:01 | 0:41:03 | |
Bill was doing this film on a shoestring. | 0:41:03 | 0:41:05 | |
Jenny and his wife did the costumes. | 0:41:07 | 0:41:10 | |
The whole thing was done for fun. | 0:41:10 | 0:41:11 | |
My rate for Vogue was 75 a day! | 0:41:13 | 0:41:18 | |
-Yeah! -My rate for Polly Maggoo was 6 a day! | 0:41:18 | 0:41:24 | |
6 a day?! | 0:41:24 | 0:41:26 | |
-Talk about... -Top rate then. | 0:41:26 | 0:41:28 | |
-6 a day? -6! | 0:41:28 | 0:41:32 | |
I can't believe that you got so much. | 0:41:32 | 0:41:34 | |
You're so full of baloney! | 0:41:34 | 0:41:36 | |
'Your shoes are dandy!' | 0:41:36 | 0:41:38 | |
It was supposed to be a spoof, a send-up but unfortunately | 0:41:48 | 0:41:53 | |
the editor-in-chief of American Vogue was not amused! | 0:41:53 | 0:41:57 | |
To many of those in the know, it was all too obvious | 0:42:02 | 0:42:05 | |
who had inspired the film's larger than life fashion editor. | 0:42:05 | 0:42:08 | |
Divine. Di-veen! | 0:42:08 | 0:42:12 | |
The fashion editor was based on Diana Vreeland | 0:42:12 | 0:42:15 | |
and her way of making pronouncements | 0:42:15 | 0:42:20 | |
like "shocking pink is the navy blue of India". | 0:42:20 | 0:42:25 | |
Or "think pink". | 0:42:25 | 0:42:26 | |
Did you intend that to be Diana Vreeland? | 0:42:36 | 0:42:40 | |
Oh, it was Diana Vreeland. | 0:42:40 | 0:42:42 | |
HE LAUGHS | 0:42:42 | 0:42:44 | |
No doubt about that, except that nobody | 0:42:44 | 0:42:47 | |
ever made fun of her. | 0:42:47 | 0:42:49 | |
While fashion was paying the bills, Klein's love of the street | 0:43:01 | 0:43:05 | |
remained undiminished. | 0:43:05 | 0:43:07 | |
Among the many striking images at the Tate exhibition | 0:43:08 | 0:43:12 | |
are pictures from Klein's critically-acclaimed books | 0:43:12 | 0:43:14 | |
on Moscow, Tokyo and Rome. | 0:43:14 | 0:43:17 | |
'In Rome, all seems pregnant with meaning. | 0:43:34 | 0:43:37 | |
'Men look tormented. They watch each other | 0:43:37 | 0:43:40 | |
'and they are watched by uniformed carabinieri. | 0:43:40 | 0:43:43 | |
'Via del Corso. Worried passer-by. What goes on? Nothing.' | 0:43:43 | 0:43:49 | |
Sometimes they look like film stills. | 0:43:49 | 0:43:52 | |
Sometimes the look like these snapped moments where a photographer | 0:43:52 | 0:43:55 | |
has taken a picture very quickly. | 0:43:55 | 0:43:58 | |
But they're all too well composed | 0:44:01 | 0:44:03 | |
to really be like that. They're all too taut, organised frames. | 0:44:03 | 0:44:07 | |
By the end of his travels, | 0:44:11 | 0:44:14 | |
Klein had turned street photography into a remarkable art form. | 0:44:14 | 0:44:18 | |
1961, Moscow. | 0:44:20 | 0:44:22 | |
May Day, Red Square. | 0:44:22 | 0:44:24 | |
Facing me, Lenin, Marx, Engels and a traditional parade. | 0:44:24 | 0:44:31 | |
In the foreground, several comrades from the KGB. | 0:44:31 | 0:44:34 | |
I think with his set of city books, Klein developed a language | 0:44:36 | 0:44:39 | |
that was, at the time, incredibly radical and unique. | 0:44:39 | 0:44:43 | |
And this has spawned many imitators | 0:44:43 | 0:44:45 | |
and it had a profound effect on the photography world. | 0:44:45 | 0:44:48 | |
The subtle detail in his pictures comes partly from intuition, | 0:44:50 | 0:44:55 | |
but also a smart, technical awareness | 0:44:55 | 0:44:57 | |
of how to get that something extra. | 0:44:57 | 0:45:00 | |
As he showed me, back at Tate Modern. | 0:45:02 | 0:45:05 | |
This girl is there in her bikini on the beach on the Moscow River | 0:45:05 | 0:45:12 | |
and that's probably her grandfather or father | 0:45:12 | 0:45:16 | |
and her mother in the background, and what's interesting is that | 0:45:16 | 0:45:21 | |
this is a wide-angle lens, so I would aim the camera at her, | 0:45:21 | 0:45:27 | |
and she thinks I'm obsessed with her, she's the centre of the world, | 0:45:27 | 0:45:31 | |
but she doesn't realise I see things happening behind her. | 0:45:31 | 0:45:35 | |
And we have a family portrait. | 0:45:35 | 0:45:38 | |
Yes, it's a family portrait. | 0:45:38 | 0:45:41 | |
Every photograph, I look at the contact, | 0:45:41 | 0:45:45 | |
it brings back memories of everything, | 0:45:45 | 0:45:48 | |
how I was feeling, tired, full of beans, photography is like that. | 0:45:48 | 0:45:53 | |
I'm a champ! | 0:45:55 | 0:45:56 | |
I'm the real champ! | 0:45:56 | 0:45:58 | |
With his talent for taking photographs | 0:45:58 | 0:46:01 | |
that looked like film stills, | 0:46:01 | 0:46:03 | |
Klein was keen to continue his own adventures in film. | 0:46:03 | 0:46:07 | |
And, as luck would have it, there was one man | 0:46:07 | 0:46:09 | |
he seemed born to collaborate with - Muhammad Ali. | 0:46:09 | 0:46:12 | |
BOTH: Float like a butterfly and sting like a bee. Ha! | 0:46:12 | 0:46:17 | |
His 1964 film, Cassius The Great, takes us | 0:46:17 | 0:46:20 | |
incredibly close to the young superstar in the making | 0:46:20 | 0:46:24 | |
and includes the memorable and often replayed encounter | 0:46:24 | 0:46:28 | |
of Ali and the Beatles. | 0:46:28 | 0:46:30 | |
But it was a typical mix of luck and charm | 0:46:35 | 0:46:38 | |
that gave William such privileged access. | 0:46:38 | 0:46:41 | |
I went down from New York to Miami | 0:46:42 | 0:46:46 | |
and there was an empty seat on the plane | 0:46:46 | 0:46:48 | |
and I recognised the guy sitting next to this empty seat, Malcolm X. | 0:46:50 | 0:46:55 | |
And I said, "Is this seat free?" He said, yeah. | 0:46:56 | 0:46:59 | |
And I sat down next to him. And we hit it off. | 0:46:59 | 0:47:03 | |
Malcolm X was a very cool, intelligent guy. | 0:47:03 | 0:47:08 | |
And he was curious about a Jewish film-maker from New York. | 0:47:08 | 0:47:13 | |
And he said, "I'll give you a hand." | 0:47:13 | 0:47:16 | |
And he let the word out that I was OK. | 0:47:16 | 0:47:20 | |
And I went to Clay's camp. | 0:47:20 | 0:47:23 | |
And immediately I was accepted. | 0:47:23 | 0:47:25 | |
Jabbing and left-hooking. Jabbing and left-hooking. | 0:47:25 | 0:47:29 | |
Yeah, I'm a pretty fighter. I'm pretty smooth. I'm something new. | 0:47:31 | 0:47:36 | |
Klein's documentary about Ali is an almost forgotten classic. | 0:47:38 | 0:47:41 | |
It doesn't just portray the boxing legend | 0:47:41 | 0:47:45 | |
right at the start of his career. | 0:47:45 | 0:47:47 | |
It explores what the story had to say about | 0:47:47 | 0:47:49 | |
the racial tensions of the time. | 0:47:49 | 0:47:53 | |
In one scene, he brilliantly choreographs the wealthy white men | 0:47:53 | 0:47:57 | |
who control the young fighter, as they introduce themselves to camera. | 0:47:57 | 0:48:02 | |
I am W Land Brown, | 0:48:02 | 0:48:03 | |
chairman of the board of Brown-Forman Distillers Corporation. | 0:48:03 | 0:48:07 | |
I'm also a farmer and in the oil business. | 0:48:07 | 0:48:09 | |
Warwick Bingham, the assistant publisher of the Courier, Journal | 0:48:11 | 0:48:14 | |
and Louisville Times. | 0:48:14 | 0:48:16 | |
I'm William Cuttings, | 0:48:16 | 0:48:17 | |
president of the Brown Williamson Tobacco Corporation. | 0:48:17 | 0:48:21 | |
I travel the world! | 0:48:21 | 0:48:22 | |
To travel the world, you should be pretty, like me. | 0:48:22 | 0:48:25 | |
He found in Ali a perfect alter ego, you know. | 0:48:25 | 0:48:28 | |
Here's a guy that wants to do it his way. | 0:48:28 | 0:48:32 | |
Pugnacious, determined, super articulate, super smart, | 0:48:32 | 0:48:38 | |
so, Klein behind the camera is a perfect foil to Ali | 0:48:38 | 0:48:42 | |
the performer, in front of the camera. | 0:48:42 | 0:48:44 | |
-People saying we crazy. -Let 'em keep thinking it! | 0:48:44 | 0:48:47 | |
-They say we're crazy. -Let 'em keep thinking it. | 0:48:47 | 0:48:50 | |
-They say we're crazy. -We are crazy! Ha! | 0:48:50 | 0:48:53 | |
THEY LAUGH | 0:48:53 | 0:48:55 | |
Unsurprisingly, Ali relished what he saw. | 0:48:55 | 0:48:58 | |
He said, "Where's my film?" I said, "I brought it." | 0:49:01 | 0:49:05 | |
And we went to his room, and he had steaks brought up, and ice cream. | 0:49:05 | 0:49:11 | |
When the film was over he wanted to see it again, and we saw it three times. | 0:49:11 | 0:49:16 | |
INDISTINCT CHANTING AND SHOUTING | 0:49:16 | 0:49:20 | |
Throughout the 1960s, Klein became increasingly politicised. | 0:49:25 | 0:49:30 | |
Camera in hand, he documented the revolution on his doorstep. | 0:49:30 | 0:49:35 | |
Dit qu'on juge pas les hommes par rapport a leurs origines | 0:49:35 | 0:49:38 | |
sociaux, sociales. | 0:49:38 | 0:49:39 | |
Filming the frenzy of debate | 0:49:39 | 0:49:41 | |
and argument in Paris during the student occupations of 1968. | 0:49:41 | 0:49:45 | |
HE SPEAKS FRENCH | 0:49:47 | 0:49:50 | |
But, as always, it was unmistakably Klein's eye on events. | 0:49:50 | 0:49:55 | |
The French filmmaker Chris Marker said of Klein's films that | 0:49:57 | 0:50:00 | |
you could pick any frame, and it would look like one of his photos. | 0:50:00 | 0:50:03 | |
You could see what he meant. | 0:50:06 | 0:50:08 | |
CHANTING | 0:50:08 | 0:50:11 | |
Elsewhere, Klein turned his camera on the Black Panthers, | 0:50:15 | 0:50:19 | |
advocates of violent revolution. | 0:50:19 | 0:50:22 | |
The rules are directed | 0:50:22 | 0:50:24 | |
in what the pigs of the mass media report, you know? | 0:50:24 | 0:50:29 | |
Showing his usual fearlessness, | 0:50:29 | 0:50:32 | |
Klein gave a voice to their controversial leader | 0:50:32 | 0:50:35 | |
Eldridge Cleaver, on the run in Algeria from the FBI. | 0:50:35 | 0:50:39 | |
These pigs tried to kill me, shot me in my leg, | 0:50:39 | 0:50:44 | |
and they were going to kill me, and the only reason I'm not dead | 0:50:44 | 0:50:48 | |
this minute, there were too many people who came out | 0:50:48 | 0:50:51 | |
of their houses, and started screaming at these pigs to stop. | 0:50:51 | 0:50:54 | |
But Klein's provocative political mischief-making | 0:50:59 | 0:51:02 | |
caught up with him in the end. | 0:51:02 | 0:51:04 | |
His contribution to the anti-war film, Far From Vietnam, | 0:51:05 | 0:51:09 | |
would have serious repercussions for his career. | 0:51:09 | 0:51:12 | |
I knew that there was going to be the biggest anti-war rally ever | 0:51:14 | 0:51:19 | |
in America, and I went to New York for that. | 0:51:19 | 0:51:22 | |
It was really worth it. | 0:51:22 | 0:51:24 | |
Because, for and against, | 0:51:24 | 0:51:26 | |
the hysterical pro-war people screaming, "Bomb Hanoi, bomb Hanoi!" | 0:51:26 | 0:51:34 | |
It's kids like this are getting burned up by napalm, | 0:51:34 | 0:51:38 | |
kids like this, and what's more, people like you, | 0:51:38 | 0:51:41 | |
grown-up people, being burned up for no good reason at all. | 0:51:41 | 0:51:45 | |
Stop! | 0:51:45 | 0:51:47 | |
Meanwhile, William was still taking fashion photos. | 0:51:47 | 0:51:49 | |
And Far From Vietnam didn't go down well with his Vogue paymasters. | 0:51:49 | 0:51:55 | |
Napalm! Nah! Nah! | 0:51:55 | 0:51:58 | |
Nah! | 0:51:58 | 0:51:59 | |
They said, now you're doing movies, you don't really need our contract. | 0:51:59 | 0:52:03 | |
My contract was, | 0:52:03 | 0:52:06 | |
I lived on that contract. | 0:52:06 | 0:52:09 | |
Were you shocked by that? Or did you... | 0:52:09 | 0:52:11 | |
-I was pissed off. -Yeah. | 0:52:11 | 0:52:13 | |
I wasn't that much attached to Vogue. | 0:52:13 | 0:52:15 | |
And I found it a little hard to do fashion photographs. | 0:52:15 | 0:52:20 | |
It was a time when it was hard to be an American. | 0:52:20 | 0:52:24 | |
We're driving in the richest city in the world, | 0:52:31 | 0:52:34 | |
and all you've got is potholes. | 0:52:34 | 0:52:37 | |
Klein has continued making films and taking pictures | 0:52:44 | 0:52:48 | |
in a maverick, fiercely independent career which spans more than half a century. | 0:52:48 | 0:52:53 | |
Today he's one of the most collected photographers in the world, | 0:52:54 | 0:52:58 | |
and still takes a close interest in new versions of his work, | 0:52:58 | 0:53:02 | |
meeting up with his New York dealer to approve new prints | 0:53:02 | 0:53:05 | |
of some of his most popular images. | 0:53:05 | 0:53:08 | |
I thought the most interesting thing about this was all the mist... | 0:53:08 | 0:53:12 | |
The steam atmosphere in the room. | 0:53:12 | 0:53:15 | |
That must be quite hard to photograph. | 0:53:15 | 0:53:17 | |
We used cinema smoke... | 0:53:17 | 0:53:21 | |
..floating around. | 0:53:21 | 0:53:23 | |
It made it interesting for me to print, I know that. | 0:53:23 | 0:53:26 | |
I asked them to pose a bit like fashion models. | 0:53:26 | 0:53:29 | |
They were afraid that I'd be making fun of them. | 0:53:29 | 0:53:32 | |
But when they saw the photograph, | 0:53:32 | 0:53:36 | |
they thought they looked beautiful. | 0:53:36 | 0:53:38 | |
I think they look beautiful myself. | 0:53:38 | 0:53:40 | |
And sexy. | 0:53:41 | 0:53:44 | |
As well as producing new prints, | 0:53:46 | 0:53:48 | |
Klein's determination to constantly revisit his work, | 0:53:48 | 0:53:53 | |
has led him to paint the photographic contact sheets | 0:53:53 | 0:53:56 | |
of some of his most iconic images. | 0:53:56 | 0:53:58 | |
Using his paintbrush to remind us of the way the perfect picture | 0:53:58 | 0:54:02 | |
was once selected in a pre-digital age. | 0:54:02 | 0:54:05 | |
There's a William Klein aesthetic. | 0:54:07 | 0:54:10 | |
It's a multi-disciplinary approach. | 0:54:10 | 0:54:13 | |
It's exactly what you want to see. | 0:54:13 | 0:54:14 | |
You do actually want to see an image-maker | 0:54:14 | 0:54:17 | |
exploring different ways of making images. | 0:54:17 | 0:54:19 | |
And at the Tate Modern exhibition, in one of the most dramatic rooms, | 0:54:21 | 0:54:25 | |
these painted contacts are being displayed on a spectacular scale. | 0:54:25 | 0:54:30 | |
So there's your famous picture of the boy with the gun. | 0:54:31 | 0:54:34 | |
And you decide to take the two frames. Because that's the famous... | 0:54:34 | 0:54:38 | |
Yes. Two frames because everybody knows this photograph, here. | 0:54:38 | 0:54:43 | |
In showing two photographs, | 0:54:43 | 0:54:45 | |
you can see these kids are posing for me. | 0:54:45 | 0:54:48 | |
Laughing, actually. | 0:54:48 | 0:54:50 | |
Among the painted contacts, is one of Klein's most famous images. | 0:54:51 | 0:54:56 | |
That was quite controversial | 0:54:56 | 0:54:58 | |
when you took that picture the first time, wasn't it? | 0:54:58 | 0:55:02 | |
Yeah, yeah. | 0:55:02 | 0:55:03 | |
Her smoking a cigarette like that. | 0:55:03 | 0:55:06 | |
Smoking a cigarette like that. | 0:55:06 | 0:55:09 | |
For fashion, you had to have a cigarette holder and gloves. | 0:55:09 | 0:55:12 | |
And this was published in all the Vogues except American Vogue. | 0:55:14 | 0:55:18 | |
They didn't publish it in American Vogue because...? | 0:55:18 | 0:55:21 | |
She is smoking like a sailor. | 0:55:21 | 0:55:25 | |
Not elegant. | 0:55:25 | 0:55:27 | |
-And was she supposedly modelling that hat? -Yeah... | 0:55:27 | 0:55:32 | |
That was the idea. | 0:55:32 | 0:55:34 | |
I was doing hat shots. | 0:55:34 | 0:55:37 | |
What happened to her? | 0:55:37 | 0:55:39 | |
She died. She had a cancer. | 0:55:39 | 0:55:41 | |
What was her... | 0:55:41 | 0:55:43 | |
Her name? Evelyn Tripp. | 0:55:43 | 0:55:46 | |
You know, in those days, people didn't know the names of models. | 0:55:46 | 0:55:52 | |
Models were not stars...with names. | 0:55:52 | 0:55:56 | |
Today they're like movie stars. | 0:55:56 | 0:55:58 | |
William continues to take pictures of the next generation of fashion stars. | 0:56:02 | 0:56:06 | |
His imaginative eye | 0:56:06 | 0:56:08 | |
is still highly prized as a way of getting noticed | 0:56:08 | 0:56:10 | |
in today's imagine-saturated world. | 0:56:10 | 0:56:13 | |
In recent years, he has been a regular contributor | 0:56:14 | 0:56:17 | |
to the American fashion magazine Harper's Bazaar. | 0:56:17 | 0:56:20 | |
He has a way of showing fashion... | 0:56:20 | 0:56:22 | |
It's almost because he doesn't care, | 0:56:22 | 0:56:25 | |
that it produces something that is so extraordinary. | 0:56:25 | 0:56:28 | |
At the opening night of the Tate Modern show, | 0:56:33 | 0:56:36 | |
William plays the role of genial host, | 0:56:36 | 0:56:39 | |
enjoying a bit of high-speed mingling. | 0:56:39 | 0:56:42 | |
But, as ever, he's always camera-in-hand, | 0:56:44 | 0:56:49 | |
documenting the moment. | 0:56:49 | 0:56:51 | |
Now well into this 80s, | 0:56:51 | 0:56:53 | |
William Klein is one of the last survivors of a generation | 0:56:53 | 0:56:56 | |
who shaped the art of 20th century photography. | 0:56:56 | 0:57:00 | |
And he shows no sign of giving up. | 0:57:08 | 0:57:11 | |
He's got such a strength about him. | 0:57:11 | 0:57:14 | |
You can't imagine getting on his wrong side. | 0:57:14 | 0:57:18 | |
But at the same time you know he's a real softie. | 0:57:18 | 0:57:21 | |
-You look handsome now. -You did a miracle. | 0:57:21 | 0:57:24 | |
You look handsome. | 0:57:24 | 0:57:25 | |
He's just...one of a kind. | 0:57:25 | 0:57:28 | |
You got a good haircut. | 0:57:31 | 0:57:34 | |
There are no rules in creativity. | 0:57:34 | 0:57:36 | |
Klein recognised that from the word go. | 0:57:36 | 0:57:38 | |
Take my picture. | 0:57:38 | 0:57:41 | |
I think all photographers have got this streak of energy in them | 0:57:41 | 0:57:44 | |
that other people don't seem to have. | 0:57:44 | 0:57:47 | |
I'm up here. What are you photographing? | 0:57:47 | 0:57:50 | |
OK, thank you. | 0:57:51 | 0:57:53 | |
-On three. Ahh! Thank you. -You're welcome. | 0:57:56 | 0:57:59 | |
William. Look at you. | 0:57:59 | 0:58:00 | |
You...you...you're looking good, right? | 0:58:00 | 0:58:02 | |
No, I don't look good. | 0:58:02 | 0:58:04 | |
After a creative life spanning over 60 years, | 0:58:05 | 0:58:08 | |
his passion for making images, remains as strong as ever. | 0:58:08 | 0:58:13 | |
As does his determination to do things his way. | 0:58:13 | 0:58:17 | |
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