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This programme contains some strong language and scenes which some viewers may find upsetting

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In 2014, there were over 500,000

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criminal prosecutions in England and Wales.

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Each one was prosecuted not by the police,

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but by the lawyers of the Crown Prosecution Service.

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My job is about applying the law to other people's lives

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and, hopefully, for the public good.

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The defendant is found locked inside the house,

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with his mother dead downstairs.

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In every serious criminal case, the Crown Prosecution Service

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must decide who to charge and what to charge them with.

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I think that this will come down to, I suppose, is he bad or is he mad?

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Sometimes the difficult decisions are unpopular decisions,

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but they are the right decisions.

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It's their job to build the case and battle to secure a conviction.

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All the defence have to do is just pick at things.

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They just have to go like that,

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and say, "Well, you're not right about that."

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Now, for the very first time, the Crown Prosecution Service

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has let cameras in to film this unseen world

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between the police and the courts.

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These are real people, they're real people's lives

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and real emotions involved.

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We may have our suspicions but if the evidence isn't there,

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the evidence isn't there.

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For them it's evidence.

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It's my life.

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At 7.26 on the morning of the 8th of June 2014,

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Cheshire police receive a phone call.

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The emergency services find 42-year-old mother

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Rebecca Bamber in her back garden.

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She's been stabbed 13 times and is pronounced dead at 8.07am.

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After a police chase, the man seen leaving the scene,

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39-year-old carpet fitter David Hoyle,

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is arrested and charged with murder.

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The prosecution of David Hoyle will be overseen

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by the Mersey Cheshire Chief Crown Prosecutor, Claire Lindley.

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Morning.

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And it's not the only murder she has to deal with today.

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In my absence there's been two new murders.

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-Right, OK.

-They're both of a domestic nature, so...

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So we need to check for any previous incident.

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Yes, if we've been involved in any way previously.

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Claire is in charge of a team of 100 prosecutors.

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Morning.

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Both of the murders have ended up on the desk of Richard Riley.

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-Richard, morning.

-Good morning.

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I've been away two days and I've come back and there's two murders.

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Yes, great.

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And you've got them both. Can we talk about Hoyle first, then?

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I did wonder slightly about the relationship,

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because he doesn't seem to have lived there or...

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They had a relationship about 15 years ago.

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That sort of fizzled out

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and they sort of got together again on Facebook a few weeks ago.

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Right.

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He came over Saturday night for the first time.

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Bit hard to second-guess where this is going at the moment

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because he's made no comment.

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Yes, but given the fact that when he's arrested

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-he's covered in blood...

-He's covered in the blood.

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..I suspect we may be looking at something like loss of control.

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-I don't...

-Anything could happen.

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Anything could happen on that.

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That's trickier than the other murder.

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Yes.

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That's the case of Fox, son on mum.

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He leaves a message saying,

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-"Warning, there are dead bodies inside."

-Yes.

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This is a hammer, hammer attack.

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Hammer and knife.

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Oh, it's a terrible thing. Honestly, Rachael.

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She's an old lady.

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-Oh, I thought you were talking about the other one.

-Oh, we've moved on now.

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I thought you were talking about the DV one.

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Well, they're both DV, but this one,

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she's, what, 80 or something, Richard?

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-She's 83.

-83.

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And he's 59... No.

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And he lives with his mum and he's murdered his mum.

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No, he's a year younger than me.

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But they found him in the middle of slitting his wrists, apparently,

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and the mother dead.

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"I'm sorry to put you through this, it can't be pleasant."

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That's what he says to the officer when she goes to the house.

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"There's nobody else in the house, just me and my mother, who I have murdered."

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It's quite a formal statement that, isn't it? "Who I have murdered."

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It's not as good as the one we had last year.

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And the officer said, "I cautioned and arrested him on suspicion of murder,"

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to which he said, "There's no suspicion about it."

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-CLAIRE LAUGHS

-Oh, it's not funny.

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Because both of the suspects are being held in custody,

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Richard will now have six months to build a case

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to prove them each guilty of murder.

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Five days after Rebecca Bamber was stabbed to death

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and her new boyfriend David Hoyle arrested, Richard is meeting

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the investigating police team to find out what they've uncovered.

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Among the statements so far taken

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is one from Rebecca Bamber's 25-year-old daughter.

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Richard Riley from the CPS to see DS Currie and DI Spooner.

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When we're looking at murder, we're looking to see

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whether that person did the act.

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-Mr Currie, how are we?

-Good, mate. How are you?

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-I'm fine, thanks.

-Come on in.

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Did that person have any mental health issues such that they

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didn't intend to kill the person?

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Did they intend to kill the person, or did

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they intend to just hit them in the face as some form of punishment,

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something like that, but not intend to kill them?

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And, of course, in a murder, we've got a scenario usually where

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there's two people in a room - one person is dead

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at the end of the incident and the other person is obviously

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going to try and say something

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that might constitute a defence in law.

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So what we've got to try and do is work out what happened in that home.

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We understand that they have only actually met three times.

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-And one time, obviously, he's killed her.

-Yeah.

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I mean, my understanding is that Rebecca was lonely.

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She was looking to rekindle friendships

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and she's gone on Facebook and found David Hoyle.

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So we've got quite a bit of phone data

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that we're working on and, interestingly, some of the

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text messages between the two in the build-up.

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And she's saying to him,

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"I don't want to see you until you get off the drugs."

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You know, we can't, you know,

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we can't be in a relationship.

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And all these sorts of things.

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There's obviously a change in heart,

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we think following a phone call that he has later on in the day

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with Rebecca, cos the next messages are that

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he's on his way and, you know,

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she's saying, "Well, looking forward to seeing..." That type of thing.

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-Yeah.

-We know certainly from CCTV etc that he arrives

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just before 11.20 at night

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and we can certainly say that he stays there, it would appear, all night.

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I guess we've got to cover all angles, because

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we don't know what this defence statement will say

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in terms of an explanation to the injuries that Rebecca sustained.

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David Hoyle was caught after police chased the van

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he left the scene in and forced it to stop.

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In the five days since his arrest, he's refused to make any comment

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on what happened in Rebecca Bamber's house.

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In some scenarios a defendant might say nothing,

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but if he's making no comment, until the case gets into the

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court process, we have no idea whether he'll say, "It wasn't me.

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"There was somebody else there.

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"I was acting in self-defence.

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"I've got diminished responsibility,

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"because I have a mental health issue."

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All manner of different defences that the defendant could say.

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So there's no point us just assuming he will plead guilty,

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we've got to actually have all our bases covered.

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-He has an injury to the back of his head...

-Yeah.

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-..which I want to try and negate.

-I agree with you.

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-I mean, what are the defence going to come up with?

-Yes.

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Are they going to say that this injury...

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Yes, exactly, to the back of his head.

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..was caused by her?

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He was provoked.

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Or is it merely her putting up a fight, you know?

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His main difficulty will be the number of injuries that have been inflicted.

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Oh, absolutely.

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That's.... I won't say that's his problem,

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but from a defence point of view...

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Yes, absolutely.

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-It's savage.

-It is.

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It is, as Steve quite rightly says, it's a savage attack.

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I'm at a loss, to be honest, what defence.

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Well, we'll...we'll have to wait and see.

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Prosecuting violence against women and girls

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is now stated as a CPS priority.

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In 2014, the police brought them

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over 100,000 cases to consider.

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The reviewing lawyer must decide whether there's

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sufficient evidence to prosecute

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and if it is in the public interest.

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In a quarter of the cases considered,

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they decided a prosecution could not go ahead.

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Here we go.

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"Following your report, the attacker was charged with assault

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"occasioning actual bodily harm.

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"The CPS is responsible for deciding

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"whether or not the charges should be prosecuted.

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"In your case, I've taken the decision to stop the charge.

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"This is because there is insufficient evidence to

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"provide a realistic prospect of conviction for the charge."

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I got so angry inside.

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At first I thought, "Leave it."

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And then I looked at it again and I thought,

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"No. No. This is wrong."

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I was nearly dead.

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My children said to me,

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"Mum you were nearly... We nearly lost our mother."

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That is wrong.

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Viv has written to the CPS to appeal their decision not to prosecute

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under a new initiative, the Victims' Right to Review.

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This is a letter that I've just received now.

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It's...

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..12 pages long, the letter.

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And this particular offence is a Section 47 assault against this lady

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who, according to the letter here, was knocked unconscious.

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And we've told her that there's not sufficient evidence to prosecute.

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She starts off by saying...

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"Luckily for me I can remember things from that night,

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"seconds before I was knocked out.

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"I had not informed the police, as I thought I was going to Crown Court

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"where I then could have my say.

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"I remember my hair being pulled hard and a blow to my face.

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"I was then knocked out. Only remembered being in an ambulance

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"and a CID lady saying, 'Viv, you have no hair left.'"

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-Oh.

-She lost a huge piece of her hair.

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-During the assault?

-Pulled it out, yeah.

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-So you can see there, you get a fair idea there.

-Oh.

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And then you get a fair idea of the bruising,

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so it's quite a nasty assault.

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If it's domestic, the defendant is her husband or boyfriend or...?

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She was having an affair with him.

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-Right. And it's over now, is it, their relationship?

-Yes.

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"At the end of the day, I am mentally scarred for life

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"and living a life sentence.

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"I am scared to go out on my own.

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"He should be looking at an attempted murder charge.

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"This is not good enough.

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"I don't care what it takes, I want this turned over."

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I wonder whether Jo Lazzari might be best placed to look at it...

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Yes, she might.

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..as the domestic violence specialist.

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If a victim is really unhappy, then they have a right to review.

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Quite tricky because a victim might think there's evidence that there isn't,

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or perhaps, understandably, won't understand the law.

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But the bottom line is the evidence is the evidence

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and if there isn't enough evidence,

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then irrespective of the victim's views,

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which I've got full sympathy with,

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if there isn't the evidence there, then we can't prosecute.

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Do they think I'm lying?

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It makes it sound as though I've made it up, I'm lying.

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Well, I'm not going to sit there and pull me own hair out

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and smash myself in the face.

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The CPS need to get their act together.

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Whoever deals...

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is dealing with this case in the first place definitely got it wrong.

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We've dropped the case

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because although we can prove the defendant was at the scene,

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-we don't know that it was him that assaulted her.

-OK.

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But Claire's quite concerned because the injuries are quite bad.

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But you can see, she's lost quite a...quite a big chunk of her hair.

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According to CMS, there was a taxi driver and a friend

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who won't give statements.

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So obviously that's caused an issue somewhere along the way.

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But we have her presumably?

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Well, at first she refused to accept it was him that did it,

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because she says, "He loves me too much to have hurt me in that way

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"and it can't possibly have been him."

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OK. It looks like it needs a careful looking at really then,

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in terms of what we do have evidentially.

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Now, what's happened to my tea?

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-I do need my tea before we start.

-Yeah.

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David Hoyle is still refusing to give any comment

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about the events that led up to Rebecca Bamber being killed.

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The police team are continuing to gather evidence.

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Still plodding on with the telecoms.

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The interesting thing is the web history indicates that

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he's been desperately trying to find out where Becky lives.

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There's a number of hits for sites like White Pages, 192,

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electoral roll, all with searches for Becky Bamber.

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Cos the interesting thing could be, could it not,

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on that Saturday night, when all the time she is saying, you know,

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"You're not coming to the house. I don't want to see you until you're off the drugs."

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And there seems to be a complete U-turn

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and he's coming to the house.

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Perhaps we'll never know, but is it a question of he's said to her,

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"Look, I know where you live.

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"I don't care what you say, I'm coming, I'm coming"?

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As Richard tries to make sure he gets enough evidence to prove

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David Hoyle guilty of murder,

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he's also having to prepare for the second murder trial.

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It's now just over a week since the body of 83-year-old widow

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Mrs Yvonne Fox was found in the house in Alsager, Cheshire,

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she'd shared for the past 30 years with her only son Paul,

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and where Paul left a note saying he'd killed his mother.

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Today, Richard has his first meeting with the lead investigator.

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We need to make sure that we have enough evidence irrespective

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of what the defendant may or may not have said at the time,

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because we can't necessarily believe what the defendant is saying.

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So we can't just rely on a note left by the defendant and send him

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straight to prison without passing go.

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There's a whole court process that we have to go through

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and a huge investigation.

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I'll show you Paul Fox first, so you get a flavour for him.

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Right, so that's him. The scene is more important, I would suggest.

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Let's have a look.

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There's three bedrooms upstairs.

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There's his mum's room at the back, which is quite clean and tidy,

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as expected of a proud 83-year-old female, who's still got her marbles.

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-This is his mum's room. This is her bed.

-Yeah.

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Blood there.

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There's the front bedroom, which is quite clean as well.

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-This is where he was found, at the top.

-Yeah.

-Sat on his bed.

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Then, at the back, there's a box room. That's where he lives.

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And you can hardly open the door for all the cider cans, bottles, beer.

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That's his cider from his room,

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cans from his room,

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wine and spirits.

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It's horrendous in there.

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You know, for example, we've got 813 drinking vessels from this address

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and we're talking three-litre cider Zeppelin bottles.

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240 of them had urine in, so that's strange sort of behaviour.

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What we're starting to see, Richard,

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-is an emerging picture of - he's a mummy's boy.

-Yeah.

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He's been brought up with a mum who loves him,

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but he's not lived up to her expectations.

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Now this incident has happened.

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He's been working the week before the murder, newish job,

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he's doing well there, staff say he's good,

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he was in line for promotion.

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On the Saturday, he takes her shopping, as normal.

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-So we're going to get evidence from CCTV of his interaction with his mum.

-Yeah.

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On the Saturday night, she thinks he's gone out for chips,

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but he's in the pub at the Alsager Arms.

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He has a couple of pints or so there and then bumps his car.

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And obviously the bobbies, they go and get him locked up

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-for the drink drive Saturday night.

-Yeah.

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His mum's upset on the doorstep about, you know,

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he's getting locked up and he's going to lose his job.

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He goes into custody, presents as a normal drink driver.

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-Mr Fox. How are you?

-OK.

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But he says on interview that he hatched his plan in custody,

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whilst there stewing, to murder his mum.

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His world's going to fall apart with this ban.

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He's going to lose his job and he doesn't want to live,

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so he's going to take her with him,

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because, potentially, she wouldn't live or be able to live without him.

0:18:110:18:15

That's at the back. Mum was found in here.

0:18:150:18:18

Right, she's been moved, but I'll show you where she was before.

0:18:180:18:20

She was found here.

0:18:200:18:22

Tea, beans, head lying there.

0:18:220:18:25

The knife was here, the hammer's there.

0:18:250:18:27

I think we're all fairly on the same page that this will come down to

0:18:270:18:30

is he, I suppose, is he bad or is he mad?

0:18:300:18:33

-Good luck to you.

-OK, thank you.

0:18:330:18:36

-Yes, is it possible to ring a taxi from here?

-Yes.

0:18:360:18:40

I mean, he's obviously going to go down the psychiatric route,

0:18:400:18:43

I would've thought,

0:18:430:18:44

and we'll just have to wait and see what comes up.

0:18:440:18:46

I think the key one is to show that he knew intently

0:18:460:18:49

-what he was going to do and he wasn't mad when he did it.

-Yeah.

0:18:490:18:53

The decision not to charge Viv's attacker

0:18:560:18:58

means it's now over a year since she was assaulted.

0:18:580:19:02

So when I went to see a hair technologist,

0:19:020:19:05

they said because of the trauma of it being pulled,

0:19:050:19:08

you've got trauma under the scalp

0:19:080:19:10

that will take it a long time to grow back,

0:19:100:19:12

plus, a lot of stress as well can stop your hair from growing.

0:19:120:19:16

Following Viv's request for a Victim's Right to Review,

0:19:160:19:19

Jo, a domestic abuse specialist, is looking at the case to decide

0:19:190:19:23

if her attacker should now be prosecuted.

0:19:230:19:26

So what I'm looking at first is the

0:19:260:19:28

level of injury this lady has sustained.

0:19:280:19:30

And you can see on this photograph,

0:19:300:19:32

pieces of her hair have been ripped from her head.

0:19:320:19:36

She says, "Since being released from hospital, I've been informed

0:19:360:19:39

"by the doctor that my injuries consisted of a fractured cheekbone."

0:19:390:19:44

She's got problems with her eye socket,

0:19:440:19:46

she's got blurred vision, she's got a fracture to her tooth.

0:19:460:19:50

You don't really need a medical degree to say that

0:19:500:19:52

that's something that has been sustained in an assault.

0:19:520:19:55

I just think, no matter what happens, Jeanette,

0:19:550:19:57

if a woman loses her hair, there's nothing worse.

0:19:570:20:00

-Nothing.

-I don't care...

-That's right.

0:20:000:20:01

..if you break every bone in your body,

0:20:010:20:03

-if you lose your hair, it's the most horrible thing going.

-Definitely.

0:20:030:20:08

The reason this case is a bit unusual is that the victim

0:20:080:20:12

doesn't actually recall what happened to her.

0:20:120:20:15

She can recall the immediate aftermath,

0:20:150:20:17

but she can't remember actually being assaulted.

0:20:170:20:21

When I was, like, in hospital, the police,

0:20:210:20:24

he brought me this hair in a bag,

0:20:240:20:27

cos I couldn't remember anything.

0:20:270:20:29

And he just said, "Does that bring back any memories?"

0:20:290:20:31

And I just... I was nearly sick.

0:20:310:20:33

He must have really took a yank at that?

0:20:330:20:36

I was on the driver's side

0:20:360:20:37

and I was dragged from the passenger side

0:20:370:20:40

-with my seatbelt on, by my hair.

-Shocking.

0:20:400:20:42

I'm just going to have a look at what he said to the police.

0:20:420:20:46

And what he's actually said...is nothing at all.

0:20:460:20:51

Why would you make no comment in these circumstances?

0:20:510:20:54

If he's there, he's seen somebody else do this,

0:20:540:20:56

why not give that name?

0:20:560:20:57

Why not give some sort of account?

0:20:570:20:59

And this person's still walking free?

0:20:590:21:02

Oh, the attacker is still walking free, yeah.

0:21:020:21:04

My daughter went out the other night and he was chatting a girl up.

0:21:040:21:10

And my daughter felt like saying,

0:21:100:21:12

"Please, don't go there in case it happens."

0:21:120:21:15

But she kept out of it. Anyway, the girl told him where to go.

0:21:150:21:18

This has happened outside in the street,

0:21:180:21:21

so there are people that have seen and heard bits and pieces.

0:21:210:21:24

PC Riley's come to the scene and she's spoken to the taxi driver,

0:21:240:21:28

and he said the person in his taxi has got out,

0:21:280:21:32

approached a female, which is our victim,

0:21:320:21:35

he's dragged her out of the car and repeatedly punched her to the head,

0:21:350:21:39

but he won't give the police a statement.

0:21:390:21:42

I'm not content that necessarily we're going to leave it at that.

0:21:420:21:45

We could look to potentially having those witnesses

0:21:450:21:47

compelled into court and asked to tell us what's happened.

0:21:470:21:51

And if they don't do that, the judge can have them arrested

0:21:510:21:54

and he can have them locked up for a month in contempt of court.

0:21:540:21:59

Me and this machine, we don't get on.

0:22:020:22:04

The decision not to charge a case can only be overturned with

0:22:040:22:07

the approval of the Chief Crown Prosecutor.

0:22:070:22:10

I've been right through the letter and through the case itself.

0:22:100:22:13

There's actually two live witnesses.

0:22:130:22:15

This is the thing that I don't understand why it's just been let go.

0:22:150:22:19

There's a taxi driver and another person at the scene

0:22:190:22:22

who directly witnessed what he's done.

0:22:220:22:25

One of them is her friend and he's just said he won't co-operate.

0:22:250:22:28

I'm thinking either we're going out

0:22:280:22:30

and trying a bit harder to get some actual statements off them,

0:22:300:22:34

or compelling them on what they've already said.

0:22:340:22:37

I have to decide whether the decision was wrong

0:22:370:22:40

or whether there's new evidence

0:22:400:22:42

and, actually, what we'd be better doing is getting

0:22:420:22:45

all the evidence that we're going to get,

0:22:450:22:48

trying to get the statements from those witnesses, for example.

0:22:480:22:51

Let's do that first.

0:22:510:22:52

But it sounds like we have to be transparent and say it was wrong,

0:22:520:22:55

-you know, and that's fine...

-Yeah.

0:22:550:22:57

..if that's what it is.

0:22:570:22:59

-Well, we make mistakes, don't we, sometimes?

-Yeah, exactly.

0:22:590:23:01

You know, it isn't an obvious case.

0:23:010:23:03

There is nobody at the moment with a witness statement saying, "That man did it."

0:23:030:23:07

Following the killing of Rebecca Bamber, David Hoyle

0:23:100:23:12

was seen leaving the scene.

0:23:120:23:14

He has now sacked his original legal team

0:23:160:23:19

and his new legal team have broken the silence.

0:23:190:23:21

In a case such as murder, the defendant must inform

0:23:240:23:28

the court the nature of his defence.

0:23:280:23:30

We sit and we wait.

0:23:300:23:32

We have our case prepared,

0:23:320:23:34

we think we've covered all our bases

0:23:340:23:36

and then we wait for this defence to come in.

0:23:360:23:39

Then we get that

0:23:420:23:43

and we go scurrying back to our file and make sure

0:23:430:23:47

that everything the defendant is now saying happened, we can disprove.

0:23:470:23:53

Is this it?

0:23:530:23:54

This is it.

0:23:540:23:55

You'll find it interesting, to say the least.

0:23:550:24:00

"The defendant denies that any of his actions were undertaken with

0:24:000:24:04

"the intent to cause death or grievous bodily harm."

0:24:040:24:08

That's his defence.

0:24:080:24:09

Well, that's wild really, when you look at the facts of the case.

0:24:090:24:12

-Read on.

-Anyway.

0:24:120:24:14

"He was a habitual drug user.

0:24:140:24:17

"He'd purchased crack cocaine and heroin,

0:24:170:24:20

"and had used some of the crack and all of the heroin."

0:24:200:24:23

Goodness me.

0:24:230:24:25

Does that... Did we have access to the sort of his pathology, if you like?

0:24:250:24:30

No. He didn't have any veins to take any blood from.

0:24:300:24:32

So much drug use that all his veins have collapsed,

0:24:320:24:36

so they couldn't take a blood sample.

0:24:360:24:38

-But as I say...

-Sorry, read on.

0:24:380:24:41

"After sleeping with her in her bed,

0:24:410:24:43

"the defendant was confronted by a sudden change of mood on her part.

0:24:430:24:47

"She picked up a wine bottle,

0:24:470:24:49

"striking herself over the head with it."

0:24:490:24:52

So he's sort of saying some of those injuries are caused, self-inflicted.

0:24:520:24:56

Eight fractures to the skull.

0:24:560:24:58

My God. Again...

0:24:580:24:59

You couldn't possibly fracture your own skull, could you?

0:24:590:25:02

The pathologist is being asked to comment on that...

0:25:020:25:05

-On that possibility.

-..on that possibility.

0:25:050:25:09

The prosecution have been working on ways of making

0:25:110:25:13

the evidence they do have easily understandable in a trial.

0:25:130:25:17

The police have produced these,

0:25:170:25:19

which I think are absolutely fantastic,

0:25:190:25:20

which are going to be for the jury and the judge.

0:25:200:25:23

This is what they found - spatter on the bed.

0:25:230:25:25

So the bottle attack really took place upstairs.

0:25:250:25:28

But I guess he is saying that?

0:25:280:25:31

-I'm not buying into the defence, don't get me wrong...

-No, no.

0:25:310:25:34

..but he does say that.

0:25:340:25:35

I'll show you downstairs.

0:25:350:25:37

There's blood by the door and this is all the blood that leads out.

0:25:370:25:41

That's the knife drawer.

0:25:410:25:43

Ah-ha. Yeah, go on.

0:25:430:25:45

Her footprints are in blue and his footprints are the black trainers.

0:25:450:25:51

What we say is she's tried to go to the door, he's come.

0:25:510:25:55

She's then gone to the window,

0:25:550:25:56

where she's been, he's been seen by the witness. He's come...

0:25:560:25:59

He's come to there.

0:25:590:26:00

We've then gone back there.

0:26:000:26:02

Look whose footprints go to the cutlery drawer.

0:26:020:26:04

-Mm.

-Not hers.

0:26:040:26:06

No. I mean, that's a brilliant description there, isn't it?

0:26:060:26:10

To help the presentation of the case,

0:26:120:26:14

the police have combined the CCTV footage from the shop

0:26:140:26:17

opposite Rebecca's house with the 999 call they received.

0:26:170:26:22

That's the witness trying to get a response from the door.

0:26:220:26:26

Kind of turning up as a concerned neighbour.

0:26:260:26:30

He then comes to the window, as we say he does.

0:26:300:26:34

He sees that.

0:26:340:26:35

-And he's run off to ring 999.

-He's rung and phoned up.

0:26:360:26:40

This is him.

0:27:150:27:17

Look, he's just put something in. That's the defendant.

0:27:170:27:20

-Oh, he thinks the daughter's there.

-Yes.

-Oh, God.

0:28:080:28:11

Poor man.

0:28:130:28:15

-That's it.

-Oh, God.

0:28:180:28:21

Not good.

0:28:250:28:27

It got to me as well.

0:28:290:28:30

It's...dreadful.

0:28:300:28:32

And we didn't even know her.

0:28:320:28:34

-Yeah, exactly.

-You know?

0:28:340:28:37

That just... Quite often you're doing things on paper and doing

0:28:370:28:40

a legal job, and then you actually listen to something like that.

0:28:400:28:43

-That's it, isn't it?

-It just really hits home.

0:28:430:28:45

Although the CPS lawyers prepare the file of evidence,

0:28:500:28:54

the prosecution of a murder case in court is generally

0:28:540:28:57

carried out by the most senior of barristers - a Queen's Counsel.

0:28:570:29:02

His responsibility is to stand up in court and present the case,

0:29:020:29:07

and...

0:29:070:29:09

I do all the running around, in effect.

0:29:090:29:13

Not that I mind that.

0:29:130:29:15

That's my job.

0:29:150:29:18

Richard's just given the Fox file to the QC who's been hired

0:29:180:29:21

to prove in court that Paul Fox murdered his mother.

0:29:210:29:25

Now, I know a little about the case

0:29:250:29:27

from what the Crown Prosecution Service lawyers have told me.

0:29:270:29:31

I know that it involves the alleged murder of an elderly lady

0:29:310:29:35

by her middle-aged son.

0:29:350:29:38

A very brutal murder, allegedly involving a lump hammer and a knife.

0:29:380:29:43

So what I'll do now is have a look at the main issues,

0:29:460:29:50

consider what further evidence we might need, perhaps pre-empt

0:29:500:29:54

what points of law might arise, things the defence might say.

0:29:540:29:58

The issue of his state of mental health

0:29:580:30:00

and whether or not his state of mental health has any effect

0:30:000:30:03

upon his responsibility for what he has done may well be a real issue.

0:30:030:30:09

Whether it gives him a partial defence

0:30:090:30:10

like diminished responsibility, which reduces

0:30:100:30:13

murder to manslaughter, if the defence establish that.

0:30:130:30:16

The type of issues also arising in this are linked to

0:30:180:30:21

the relationship between Paul Fox and his mother.

0:30:210:30:25

I have to bear that in mind, both in terms of presenting,

0:30:250:30:28

dealing with the case for the prosecution,

0:30:280:30:30

and taking into account the defendant's position too.

0:30:300:30:33

My job is to prosecute the case,

0:30:330:30:34

but it's to do it fairly and to bear in mind the whole picture.

0:30:340:30:38

But, yeah, a very serious case, and undoubtedly a very sad case.

0:30:380:30:42

In Alsager, Mrs Fox was a regular at the weekly church coffee morning.

0:30:450:30:50

DI Simon Blackwell has gone to meet her friends.

0:30:500:30:54

There will be in court clear discussion on what happened.

0:30:540:30:57

I can't go into full details, but it wasn't a pleasant thing for Yvonne.

0:30:570:31:02

It was an attack of some force and gravity,

0:31:020:31:04

so I just wanted to prepare you.

0:31:040:31:06

I wouldn't want you to be having your cornflakes,

0:31:060:31:08

pick up the paper and read about what happened to Yvonne.

0:31:080:31:11

A lot of you round this table are as good as family to her.

0:31:110:31:14

Generally, how are people in the village? How's it going?

0:31:140:31:16

Well, we've discussed it at almost every meeting, really, you know.

0:31:160:31:21

We just wondered what has happened.

0:31:210:31:22

One minute we think, you know, it's sad for Paul, the next minute,

0:31:220:31:27

we think it's sad for Yvonne.

0:31:270:31:28

But, you know, with a son and a mother involved,

0:31:280:31:32

it's even worse somehow, isn't it?

0:31:320:31:34

We were very shocked.

0:31:340:31:37

But Paul, yes, he was a loner,

0:31:370:31:40

but, you know, Yvonne thought the world of him.

0:31:400:31:44

And, to be quite honest, I don't think it was done on purpose.

0:31:440:31:50

I think it's, you know, it's been...

0:31:500:31:54

spur of the moment,

0:31:540:31:56

and he's not been in the right frame of mind.

0:31:560:31:59

This is how we've discussed it.

0:31:590:32:00

It's gone from one to blame to the other to blame.

0:32:000:32:03

The more you discuss it, the more complicated it gets, basically, doesn't it?

0:32:030:32:08

I think that he is going to try and say that it is his alcohol misuse

0:32:080:32:13

that has led him to have some form of mental illness that

0:32:130:32:18

so affected his judgment that he, that he killed his mother.

0:32:180:32:21

The fact, "I was drinking at the time," isn't a defence.

0:32:210:32:26

You can't just drink alcohol and murder somebody.

0:32:260:32:30

That would be silly.

0:32:300:32:31

Of course that's not a defence.

0:32:310:32:34

But if somebody is to such an extent high on drugs and alcohol

0:32:340:32:39

that they couldn't possibly have the capacity to intend

0:32:390:32:43

to do something, then that possibly could be a defence.

0:32:430:32:47

-Can you see us?

-Yeah, perfectly, thank you.

0:32:470:32:50

-Unfortunately.

-HE LAUGHS

0:32:500:32:53

The prosecution team is still working on gathering enough evidence

0:32:530:32:57

to counter any defence Paul Fox may put forward.

0:32:570:33:00

There may be a defence case around personality disorder

0:33:000:33:04

of some level for Mr Fox,

0:33:040:33:06

and also the alcohol dependency syndrome elements.

0:33:060:33:10

I clearly outlined the fact that he was rational over

0:33:100:33:13

the weekend of his custody arrest for drink-drive.

0:33:130:33:16

He was sober when he left custody.

0:33:160:33:18

He's then gone out and took that pre-meditated decision to buy

0:33:180:33:21

his alcohol, a shift in change of drinking by buying the hard spirits,

0:33:210:33:25

and then the obviously pre-meditated two attacks on his mother.

0:33:250:33:29

The other thing I picked up on the report,

0:33:290:33:31

which is of interest for us generally,

0:33:310:33:33

the bag found on the seat of his car,

0:33:330:33:35

which had a blood smear on it, is her blood.

0:33:350:33:38

It's quite important that, because that night he goes out to Bargain Booze

0:33:380:33:42

and he hasn't been in the car when he's gone the Sunday before.

0:33:420:33:45

So the Monday night, he's already clearly done some sort of assault

0:33:450:33:48

on his mum, cos there's blood on the bag that he gets from the shop.

0:33:480:33:52

So he's part way through his assault process and he's still decided

0:33:520:33:55

to go out and eat, get munchies and get his ale and his vodka.

0:33:550:33:59

So again, it paints that picture for the jury of he was

0:33:590:34:02

compos mentis enough to go out and do that.

0:34:020:34:04

Following Viv's request for the CPS to review her case,

0:34:060:34:10

the police have re-interviewed the two witnesses to her assault.

0:34:100:34:13

Both have now provided statements.

0:34:130:34:16

In a way, it doesn't matter now

0:34:170:34:19

whether the earlier decision was wrong or not.

0:34:190:34:22

-We've actually got new evidence.

-Yes.

0:34:220:34:24

So that's that. That's a done deal as far as I'm concerned.

0:34:240:34:27

The only thing that worries me about the earlier decision

0:34:270:34:30

in some respects is why didn't we ask

0:34:300:34:33

and push the police at that point to get these two statements?

0:34:330:34:37

Because you pushed, so the police did.

0:34:370:34:39

Perhaps we could have done that before we discontinued it,

0:34:390:34:42

I think is the lesson really.

0:34:420:34:44

Yeah, I mean, that's what we say we will do in domestic violence cases, isn't it?

0:34:440:34:48

Yes, to go that extra mile.

0:34:480:34:51

The prosecution can't prove the extent of Viv's injuries,

0:34:510:34:54

but the hair loss and photos are enough to charge Ian Hickman

0:34:540:34:58

with assault occasioning actual bodily harm.

0:34:580:35:02

He will be allowed to remain on bail until the trial takes place.

0:35:020:35:05

In the case involving the Victims' Right to Review, for example,

0:35:050:35:09

I've never met that victim and yet we've been integral

0:35:090:35:14

in making sure that that case is properly prosecuted.

0:35:140:35:18

And so, hopefully, she will feel as if we've cared about her

0:35:180:35:24

when we've made that decision, and yet we've never even met her.

0:35:240:35:28

So we're kind of the silent partners

0:35:280:35:31

in the criminal justice system, to an extent,

0:35:310:35:33

cos we are making decisions about people

0:35:330:35:35

and for people without ever even meeting them.

0:35:350:35:39

Almost six months after Rebecca Bamber was attacked and killed,

0:35:430:35:48

David Hoyle is due to go on trial for her murder.

0:35:480:35:51

This prosecution team has also now been completed with

0:35:510:35:54

the addition of the QC who will present the case.

0:35:540:35:59

We have to establish from the evidence that which he did,

0:35:590:36:04

he did with the intention of either killing

0:36:040:36:07

or inflicting really serious harm.

0:36:070:36:09

An important part of any case is the pathological evidence.

0:36:090:36:14

It deals with the force that's very often used when somebody uses

0:36:140:36:18

a knife, dependent on the extent of those injuries, which can help

0:36:180:36:22

in making an assessment as to that question of intention.

0:36:220:36:27

What I'm not going to do is show the jury photographs of injuries.

0:36:270:36:32

So what we'll do is I will ask the pathologist to prepare a sketch.

0:36:320:36:36

It avoids the jury having to see photographs,

0:36:360:36:39

which are particularly unpleasant,

0:36:390:36:41

but does allow them to see the position

0:36:410:36:44

and extent of those injuries.

0:36:440:36:46

In a case such as this, there are also a number of injuries

0:36:460:36:49

here which amount to defensive-type injuries.

0:36:490:36:52

So this lady, when she was being stabbed, was making attempts to

0:36:520:36:57

fend off the blows, the repeated blows that were coming her way.

0:36:570:37:03

Sometimes the photographs are particularly unpleasant.

0:37:030:37:07

And whilst you can speed over the ones that are

0:37:070:37:10

particularly unpleasant, that process has to be done.

0:37:100:37:13

And ultimately it's my decision to say to the police

0:37:130:37:16

and the prosecution service, "These are the photographs

0:37:160:37:19

"I want in a bundle for the jury to see."

0:37:190:37:21

So I have to go through it.

0:37:210:37:24

With the trials approaching,

0:37:260:37:29

Richard has a final meeting with his other QC.

0:37:290:37:31

The prosecution team that are trying to prove Paul Fox

0:37:330:37:36

guilty of murdering his elderly mother are still worried about the

0:37:360:37:39

implications of a written confession Paul Fox left at the scene.

0:37:390:37:43

At the moment, we have his explanation, which is that,

0:37:430:37:47

"I decided I couldn't go on,

0:37:470:37:49

"I decided I couldn't leave her

0:37:490:37:51

"and so I decided I'd take her and then do myself in."

0:37:510:37:54

That's what he SAYS, OK?

0:37:540:37:56

But if you actually look at what's HAPPENED,

0:37:560:37:58

there are some questions over some of that stuff, I think.

0:37:580:38:01

The type of stuff that he buys when he's going to and from the shops,

0:38:010:38:04

including the food that he buys.

0:38:040:38:06

It's a strange choice of food if you're about to finish everything.

0:38:060:38:08

He doesn't actually take his own life, or try to do so,

0:38:080:38:11

does he, until really near to the end.

0:38:110:38:12

And it has to be said, for reasons that are still not entirely clear,

0:38:120:38:15

decided she can't carry on without me,

0:38:150:38:17

when she plainly is physically able.

0:38:170:38:20

I'm not trying to conjure up phantoms at this point,

0:38:200:38:22

but there's a background here of a very claustrophobic

0:38:220:38:26

relationship in that house with his mother, and there's alcohol

0:38:260:38:29

and his drinking has plainly been a flashpoint before.

0:38:290:38:32

I mean, it could be that this suicide business is an afterthought.

0:38:320:38:36

That, in fact, they've had the row and he's lost his temper,

0:38:360:38:41

and bang, bang, bang.

0:38:410:38:42

Now what am I going to do?

0:38:420:38:44

You see, that's what I'm wondering.

0:38:440:38:46

Yeah, but either he's telling us the truth

0:38:460:38:49

and, in fact, on that basis,

0:38:490:38:51

it's still difficult to see how he has got any defence,

0:38:510:38:53

partial or otherwise, on his account at the moment on the evidence.

0:38:530:38:56

Fine. Or the truth is something different.

0:38:560:39:00

Paul Fox's lawyer has hired a psychiatrist to write

0:39:010:39:04

a report on his state of mind.

0:39:040:39:07

It will form part of his defence in court.

0:39:070:39:12

I feel a bit nervous actually. Don't know why.

0:39:120:39:15

I'm not normally nervous.

0:39:150:39:17

Today, Ian Hickman is due in Chester Crown Court.

0:39:170:39:20

This will be a plea and case management hearing,

0:39:200:39:23

where the trial date can be set and he can enter his plea

0:39:230:39:25

to the charge of assault occasioning actual bodily harm.

0:39:250:39:29

The CPS is being represented by one of their in-house advocates.

0:39:310:39:35

I don't know whether the defendant's going to plead guilty or not guilty

0:39:350:39:38

today when he appears for his plea and case management hearing.

0:39:380:39:42

So what I'm going to do is complete the questionnaire, which just

0:39:420:39:45

basically indicates how we intend to put our case,

0:39:450:39:49

which witnesses we're going to call,

0:39:490:39:51

and the defence fill their part in as well.

0:39:510:39:53

I'm content that there is a case there that does have

0:39:540:39:58

a realistic prospect of conviction.

0:39:580:40:00

But then we do take cases to court

0:40:000:40:02

and they're acquitted.

0:40:020:40:03

And it's a very fine-balanced judgment.

0:40:040:40:07

Because obviously if we stand in a courtroom with hopeless cases,

0:40:070:40:12

we as a service have no credibility.

0:40:120:40:14

We want to be able to stand there and say, "We believe in this case."

0:40:140:40:17

That's what it means when we prosecute something.

0:40:170:40:19

We're saying, "We believe you.

0:40:190:40:21

"This has happened the way you've said it's happened

0:40:210:40:23

"and we're going to do something about it."

0:40:230:40:26

That's what a prosecution is.

0:40:260:40:29

I've been very, very stressed out today waiting to see

0:40:290:40:31

whether he's pleaded guilty or not.

0:40:310:40:35

So I'm just still waiting on that phone call now to see

0:40:350:40:37

what's going on, you know?

0:40:370:40:39

But, obviously, if he's not pleaded guilty,

0:40:390:40:41

it's going to be a long, stressful time.

0:40:410:40:43

After consultation with his advocate,

0:40:450:40:47

the defendant enters his plea.

0:40:470:40:49

He pleaded guilty to all the offences

0:40:490:40:52

and his advocate then asked for the case

0:40:520:40:54

to be adjourned for pre-sentence report.

0:40:540:40:57

And because it's a case of domestic violence, that report will deal with

0:40:570:41:01

obviously his background and his attitude towards the offence.

0:41:010:41:05

I'm just ringing to ask if you would phone Mrs Driver-Hart

0:41:050:41:09

to just let her know what happened in court this morning?

0:41:090:41:12

I've just had a call from court to say that he has pleaded guilty.

0:41:120:41:16

What they've done is adjourned it now to prepare pre-sentence report.

0:41:160:41:20

So what's... I don't understand what that means now.

0:41:200:41:23

I thought if he pleaded guilty,

0:41:230:41:25

I thought that that would be the end of it now.

0:41:250:41:27

Yes, it will be,

0:41:270:41:28

but before the judge can sentence him, he'll need a report.

0:41:280:41:33

He's still got bail conditions, as before,

0:41:330:41:36

not to come within a 100 metres of your home address.

0:41:360:41:39

I feel as though it's him that's getting all the pampering

0:41:400:41:43

and special measures made for him and this, that and the other.

0:41:430:41:46

I just feel as though I've been shoved to one side.

0:41:460:41:49

I know you have been helpful to me,

0:41:490:41:51

but that's how I feel inside.

0:41:510:41:52

A week before Paul Fox is due to go on trial

0:41:550:41:58

for the murder of his mother,

0:41:580:41:59

the prosecution have been called to court.

0:41:590:42:02

The defence have asked for a hearing with the judge.

0:42:020:42:05

Quite an impactive for the judge, won't it?

0:42:090:42:12

These are the two from the kitchen, aren't they?

0:42:140:42:17

It's a massive blade that, actually.

0:42:190:42:21

The defence instructed their own psychiatrist.

0:42:220:42:26

We've never had a report from them,

0:42:260:42:28

because it wasn't particularly favourable from their point of view.

0:42:280:42:32

We instructed our own psychiatrist

0:42:320:42:35

and he concluded that there are no mental health issues

0:42:350:42:39

as far as the defendant is concerned.

0:42:390:42:41

He may be alcohol-dependent, but he has no alternative now

0:42:410:42:45

but to plead guilty to murder.

0:42:450:42:49

I still find it a very sad case.

0:42:490:42:51

It is sad.

0:42:510:42:53

-I mean, it's sad that a number of lives have been affected.

-Yeah.

0:42:530:42:55

Obviously, she's gone and her friends and family are still there mourning.

0:42:550:42:59

He's wrecked his life, in essence.

0:42:590:43:01

He's made that call, made that judgment,

0:43:010:43:03

and he'll have to live with that, won't he?

0:43:030:43:06

Yeah, sad.

0:43:060:43:07

-'Can we have all parties in Fox, Court One, please?'

-There we go.

0:43:100:43:13

'All parties in Fox, Court One.'

0:43:130:43:15

Paul Fox pleads guilty to the murder of his mother.

0:43:200:43:24

The judge describes it as

0:43:240:43:26

"a sustained and vicious attack that deprived her of her last years in the world".

0:43:260:43:31

He sentences him to life imprisonment,

0:43:310:43:34

stating he must serve a minimum of 16 years and nine months

0:43:340:43:37

before he can be considered for parole.

0:43:370:43:41

Paul formed that judgment he was going to take his mum's life

0:43:410:43:44

and potentially harm himself.

0:43:440:43:46

So he rationalized that, justified that, and the attack to do it,

0:43:460:43:50

he was making sure that she wouldn't have survived.

0:43:500:43:53

That was an excuse, because he knew she'd got such a lot of friends

0:43:530:43:58

and we'd have, you know... If he'd have...

0:43:580:44:01

Something had happened to him, she wouldn't have been left.

0:44:010:44:04

We were all there, we were all friends,

0:44:040:44:07

we looked after one another.

0:44:070:44:09

But, yeah, I mean, clearly it wasn't pleasant.

0:44:090:44:11

It wasn't nice what went on, and you know about the facts now

0:44:110:44:14

and they are in the public domain.

0:44:140:44:16

But, you know, it is extremely rare.

0:44:160:44:19

It's just, you know, how often does this happen?

0:44:190:44:22

It's out of the blue, isn't it?

0:44:220:44:24

I'm very sorry for yourselves

0:44:240:44:25

that you actually knew the parties involved.

0:44:250:44:28

Right. Well, that's good. Really good, actually.

0:44:280:44:31

Everything done exactly as it should have been.

0:44:310:44:33

-The right result.

-Yeah.

0:44:330:44:34

And how are the friends? Are they all right?

0:44:340:44:37

-Yeah, they seem to be.

-Yeah, it's good that they were here.

0:44:370:44:40

It's very kind the judge made the comments that he did, I think.

0:44:400:44:42

So...the end of a very sad chapter.

0:44:420:44:46

Two weeks later, Richard is back at Chester Crown Court.

0:44:480:44:52

David Hoyle is going on trial for the murder of Rebecca Bamber.

0:44:520:44:56

Here comes the second lot of CPS evidence. There we are.

0:44:560:45:00

Jury bundles, files.

0:45:000:45:04

There's an awful lot of work goes into it.

0:45:040:45:07

And if you believe in justice that's what you want...

0:45:070:45:11

bring the right man for the crime.

0:45:110:45:17

That's the defence statement.

0:45:170:45:19

Yeah. Thank you.

0:45:190:45:21

He basically says that Rebecca, the deceased,

0:45:210:45:24

started to cause herself serious injury.

0:45:240:45:28

He went to assist her, but then says that she came

0:45:280:45:33

towards him with a knife.

0:45:330:45:35

And his account is proven to be wrong

0:45:350:45:38

when you look at the footprints and this overlay.

0:45:380:45:41

You can see that what she's actually trying to do is escape.

0:45:410:45:45

'All parties for the case of David Hoyle to Court One.

0:45:450:45:48

'That's all parties for David Hoyle to Court One, please.'

0:45:480:45:51

David Hoyle enters his plea to the charge of murder -

0:45:550:45:59

not guilty.

0:45:590:46:01

He does, however, admit his actions caused Rebecca Bamber to die.

0:46:010:46:06

But he says that was not his intention.

0:46:060:46:09

A jury could, dependent on the circumstances,

0:46:090:46:12

acquit of murder and convict of manslaughter

0:46:120:46:15

and he's saying, "I am guilty of manslaughter."

0:46:150:46:18

So that's what happened.

0:46:180:46:20

Not acceptable, of course, to the Crown.

0:46:200:46:21

But I suppose if he says, "I'm not going to plead,"

0:46:210:46:24

or, "I'm having a trial," then, what can you do?

0:46:240:46:27

All this nonsense about lack of intent

0:46:270:46:30

is just precisely that - it's nonsense.

0:46:300:46:32

So anyway. There we go.

0:46:330:46:36

He didn't rush to go and get an ambulance, did he?

0:46:360:46:38

He rushed to escape though, didn't he?

0:46:380:46:41

Tomorrow, the prosecution will start to try

0:46:430:46:45

and prove to the jury that David Hoyle is guilty of murder.

0:46:450:46:49

Rio! Rio!

0:46:500:46:54

There you are!

0:46:540:46:56

Viv is also going to court.

0:46:560:46:58

Having already pleaded guilty to assaulting her,

0:46:580:47:01

Ian Hickman is due to be sentenced.

0:47:010:47:04

I'll get you some clean water.

0:47:050:47:08

I just feel as though he needs to be given the punishment that is

0:47:080:47:11

required for the injuries that I sustained.

0:47:110:47:15

And it's a simple as that.

0:47:150:47:16

It's not going to be a nice feeling, I know it's not.

0:47:180:47:21

There you go, Rio.

0:47:210:47:22

Because no-one wants to see anyone go to prison.

0:47:220:47:25

But there again, my daughter wouldn't have liked

0:47:250:47:27

to see me six foot under.

0:47:270:47:28

So what will happen is I basically outline the facts to the judge

0:47:360:47:40

and then we deal with the defendant's antecedent history.

0:47:400:47:43

That is, whether he's been in trouble before.

0:47:430:47:46

The starting point for a category one offence is one year six months,

0:47:460:47:50

with a range between one to three years.

0:47:500:47:52

But clearly in this case there are aggravating features,

0:47:520:47:56

namely his previous convictions for assaulting females

0:47:560:48:00

with whom he's been in a relationship.

0:48:000:48:03

I would be very surprised if it wasn't custody,

0:48:030:48:05

and I would be very surprised if it wasn't a lengthy custodial sentence.

0:48:050:48:08

After this morning, that should be an end to it for you.

0:48:080:48:12

Yeah.

0:48:120:48:13

And then, hopefully, you can try and maybe put it behind you

0:48:130:48:16

a little bit more, because at least

0:48:160:48:18

you'll know that he's been dealt with.

0:48:180:48:21

-All right?

-Thank you.

0:48:210:48:22

Before Ian Hickman is sentenced,

0:48:220:48:25

Jayne has two other cases to deal with.

0:48:250:48:27

I lay awake last night.

0:48:280:48:30

I was thinking, "How is he going to cope in prison?"

0:48:300:48:33

Cos he's been there before.

0:48:360:48:39

'Will Ian Hickman come to reception, please? Ian Hickman to reception.'

0:48:390:48:45

(That's twice they've called him. He's still not there.)

0:48:470:48:50

Oh, God.

0:48:540:48:56

Some Jaffa cakes there, isn't there?

0:48:560:48:58

Go on, you can have some. She sent them in for us.

0:48:580:49:00

Oh, brilliant.

0:49:000:49:02

-Is he there?

-Sorry?

-Is he there?

0:49:020:49:05

-I haven't seen him.

-Just called him twice now.

0:49:050:49:07

-Probably...

-Called him half an hour ago and again now.

0:49:070:49:10

Might just be waiting to...

0:49:100:49:12

You know, he could have problems getting here. You don't know.

0:49:120:49:15

-KNOCK ON DOOR

-It's not good news, I'm afraid.

0:49:150:49:18

-Why, what's happened?

-At present, he isn't here.

0:49:180:49:21

I'm going to go and check again.

0:49:210:49:23

If it's still the case that he isn't here and there is no medical evidence

0:49:230:49:26

with a reason why he's not here which...

0:49:260:49:28

There can't be surely. I've got a chest infection.

0:49:280:49:31

..I don't think there is.

0:49:310:49:32

I'm going to be applying for a warrant without bail,

0:49:320:49:34

which means that he will be arrested.

0:49:340:49:36

-If I was a judge, I wouldn't be very happy.

-No.

0:49:360:49:39

He's making a mockery of the justice system.

0:49:390:49:42

All right, then. So... Sorry. The warrant's been issued.

0:49:430:49:46

So, hopefully, now he'll be arrested in the near future, really,

0:49:460:49:50

and then brought to court for his sentence.

0:49:500:49:52

How long is the near future?

0:49:520:49:53

Well, as soon as the police can find out where he is.

0:49:530:49:55

He's not going to be bothered at all now about what he does.

0:49:550:49:58

So I've got to watch me back as well now.

0:49:580:50:00

Yes, yes. Well, if you have any concerns whatsoever, if you have any

0:50:000:50:04

-contact from him whatsoever, you need to phone the police immediately.

-Right.

0:50:040:50:08

Immediately.

0:50:080:50:10

It is now 15 months since Viv was assaulted.

0:50:100:50:14

The sentencing of her attacker has to be postponed

0:50:140:50:16

until the police can find and arrest him.

0:50:160:50:19

It's just killing me inside now, it really is.

0:50:200:50:23

But you've got to be strong and you've got to keep on going

0:50:230:50:26

and let them know that they're not going to beat you.

0:50:260:50:29

I'm the stronger person than he is.

0:50:290:50:31

I'm not the coward that hasn't turned up for court.

0:50:310:50:34

I'm the stronger one that's sat here waiting,

0:50:350:50:38

and I will wait and wait until his day comes.

0:50:380:50:41

The trial of David Hoyle is entering its fourth day.

0:50:420:50:46

The defendant will spend this afternoon in the witness box giving

0:50:460:50:50

his version of the events that led to the death of Rebecca Bamber.

0:50:500:50:54

Tomorrow, the prosecution will be able to cross-examine.

0:51:300:51:34

I think what we'll do tomorrow is we'll have a little look about

0:51:340:51:36

-what he's actually saying and go through it piece by piece.

-Yes.

0:51:360:51:40

So when you come downstairs,

0:51:400:51:42

-where was Rebecca when you came downstairs?

-Yes.

0:51:420:51:45

Why did you not just walk out of the house?

0:51:450:51:49

I think if you're being cross-examined by somebody

0:51:510:51:54

extremely intelligent, who's forensically cross-examining you,

0:51:540:51:59

and you're not telling the truth, I think that shines through.

0:51:590:52:03

And I don't think this defendant is telling the truth

0:52:030:52:06

as to what happened in this house.

0:52:060:52:08

So I think there is quite a lot of ground

0:52:080:52:10

for the cross-examination being quite a key point of the case.

0:52:100:52:14

Gordon Cole's cross-examination of David Hoyle takes three hours.

0:52:150:52:19

The jury retires to consider their verdict.

0:53:070:53:10

First question, "Why did you murder Rebecca Bamber?"

0:53:100:53:14

And he went to town on him.

0:53:140:53:17

This is the worst part now. It's the waiting game.

0:53:170:53:20

There's nothing more you can do.

0:53:200:53:22

It's what this system is all about is the jury system.

0:53:220:53:25

That's what they're there for.

0:53:250:53:28

All we can do is wait.

0:53:280:53:31

And we don't know how long.

0:53:310:53:33

It could be a week, could be half an hour.

0:53:330:53:36

'All parties in the matter of Hoyle to Court One.'

0:53:380:53:41

'All parties in the matter of Hoyle to Court One, please.'

0:53:410:53:46

-OK. Well, here we go.

-Here we go.

0:53:460:53:49

After one hour of deliberation,

0:53:500:53:52

the jury return their verdict.

0:53:520:53:54

They find David Hoyle guilty of murder.

0:53:560:53:58

He is sentenced to life imprisonment

0:54:000:54:03

and must serve at least 25 years before being considered for parole.

0:54:030:54:07

-It's not about winning. It isn't, is it?

-No.

0:54:070:54:10

It's a feeling that when you've got to the end of it,

0:54:100:54:12

it almost is deflation,

0:54:120:54:15

because you've lived on the adrenaline,

0:54:150:54:17

and you've worked and we all work hard,

0:54:170:54:19

and the preparation of getting it to trial.

0:54:190:54:21

And when it's finished, there's no energy left.

0:54:210:54:23

It is a deflated feeling,

0:54:230:54:25

-because it does come to a shuddering halt.

-It does, it does.

0:54:250:54:28

-Everything ends. That's it.

-That's finished with now.

0:54:280:54:30

Finished. Finished with.

0:54:300:54:32

Never easy, but we've got the right result

0:54:330:54:36

and so I feel pretty good at the moment.

0:54:360:54:39

Seems quite a long time ago that you were sat at your desk

0:54:390:54:43

and you'd had two murders in.

0:54:430:54:45

And we've done both, and both are finished.

0:54:450:54:48

And both ended in convictions.

0:54:480:54:50

Oh, were it all like that.

0:54:500:54:52

It would be a lie to say that cases don't have an impact

0:54:550:55:01

on me or on our prosecutors.

0:55:010:55:05

We wouldn't be human if they didn't.

0:55:050:55:09

You have to, though, remain objective,

0:55:090:55:13

however upsetting something is.

0:55:130:55:15

Because if you lose it,

0:55:150:55:17

then you're not objectively dealing with the case as a lawyer.

0:55:170:55:21

Very, very difficult

0:55:210:55:23

when you then meet victims or the families of deceased.

0:55:230:55:27

And I remember someone's grandfather holding my hand

0:55:270:55:30

when I was talking about his grandson who'd been murdered.

0:55:300:55:33

Terribly upsetting, but there's no point in me crying.

0:55:330:55:37

That would look unprofessional and ridiculous.

0:55:370:55:40

You can't sit weeping.

0:55:400:55:42

You never knew the person and it would just look wrong.

0:55:420:55:45

So you have to keep yourself professional and objective,

0:55:450:55:50

but with empathy,

0:55:500:55:51

and then cry in the car going home.

0:55:510:55:53

It takes the police two months to catch up with Ian Hickman.

0:56:010:56:04

He's arrested and returned to court for sentencing.

0:56:060:56:10

Right, I've just checked. He's here now

0:56:100:56:12

and it's going into Court Three.

0:56:120:56:14

It's quite a small court,

0:56:140:56:16

so you will be in quite close proximity to him.

0:56:160:56:19

OK, thanks.

0:56:190:56:21

All right. Don't worry.

0:56:210:56:23

OK. I'll be back in a minute to let you know.

0:56:230:56:25

It's the thought of seeing him,

0:56:250:56:27

cos I've not seen him proper since that night.

0:56:270:56:30

And it's the thought of...

0:56:300:56:34

how much I thought of him.

0:56:340:56:36

And then many a person would say, "Hang on a minute, you were

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"nearly murdered. What you crying for?

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"Why are you bothered?"

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Because I have feelings, that's why.

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I have a heart and I care for people.

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The judge decides that Ian Hickman needs to be

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sentenced at the top end of the range.

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His guilty plea earns him a 25% discount,

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but with several other offences to be taken into account,

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he ends up with four years and three months imprisonment.

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The three months added on for his failure

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to appear at the original hearing.

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-Four years, three months.

-Four years, three months.

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Which is a hefty sentence.

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It is, yeah.

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But quite right.

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I mean, he's clearly not happy about the sentence, but...

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Was it him that banged my door?

0:57:220:57:24

-I think possibly it was him, yeah.

-Yeah.

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But it is such a big sentence though.

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I don't think he would've thought he would've had that length of time.

0:57:290:57:33

Yeah, yeah.

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-I think it sunk in the amount of damage he has done to me.

-Yeah.

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And that's it for you now.

0:57:390:57:41

Thank you. And I'm very grateful to you.

0:57:410:57:43

I'm glad it's all sorted for you.

0:57:430:57:44

Oh, thanks so much.

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-And I don't wish to see you again.

-Oh!

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-Not in a nasty way.

-That's all right.

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That's in a nice way.

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When you've been attacked like that, I think you need

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to face the person and that's what I've done.

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I just wanted to look at him just to see if he had any remorse,

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and he did.

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And now it's been laid to rest.

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Rest in peace.

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If you're interested in finding out more about the justice system,

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you can join in a simulated court case

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from The Open University and reach your own verdict.

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Go to bbc.co.uk/prosecutors

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and follow the links to The Open University.

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