Episode 4 Permission Impossible: Britain's Planners


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Planning battles are raging across Britain.

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-I love the countryside.

-So do I, mate, so leave it alone.

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I don't have time for NIMBYs.

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No to the student village!

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In a drive to boost the economy,

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the Government has relaxed planning laws.

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Here we are with a massive planning application.

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It is a big project.

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You're talking about 270 million of economic benefit.

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I mean, we like to see enterprise, but not on our doorstep.

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So developers are cashing in.

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Of course I'm here to make a buck.

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Guilty as charged.

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Objectors are going to war.

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It's not morally right, it's not socially right.

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Disgusting.

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And I'm not having that they were frightened of a bunch of pensioners!

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Deciding who wins are Britain's planners.

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I can't sit on the fence. It's not a fence, it's railings, basically.

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Tonight, a planner has a dilemma...

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My decision could be, not only his home,

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which might have to be removed,

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but the ceasing of his business.

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..an applicant puts his plans in the hands of a higher authority...

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I'm not in control. Planners are not in control. God is in control.

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..and an objector to holiday lodges looks on the bright side.

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I might come and look at Jacuzzi Susie with her top off and say,

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"I've got a perfect right to be stood here looking at you, love!"

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HE LAUGHS

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In the UK, green belts were introduced almost 70 years ago,

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as a way to control the expansion of our cities.

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Planning laws are particularly restrictive here,

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and the construction of new houses can only be allowed

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in exceptional circumstances.

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But just outside London, there's a man who calls the green belt "home".

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Steve Gumble owns a 4.5-acre plot in Hertfordshire,

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where he still practises an ancient way of life.

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I appreciate a lot of simple living.

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There's a lot to be said for the medieval side of life.

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Apart from the plague. And, um, dysentery.

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Probably not be too good.

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All you do, you go in, shut the door, do what you're doing.

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A sprinkling of sawdust, which is gently rotting down

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with whatever else is in there.

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The nutrients will leech into the soil to grow this beautiful willow.

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Which, apart from screening the place,

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it's actually a living entity, it's something we can use.

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Using the wood he grows on his land and other local supplies,

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Steve produces timber-framed buildings and charcoal.

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Ten years ago, after getting divorced,

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Steve built himself a log cabin and moved into it.

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So, this is my area. That's where I sleep, that's my pit.

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This is not the love shack, no, no.

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There's not been a lot of love going on here. Not that sort anyway. No.

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I'm... Yeah.

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In a world of violence, you turn the TV on now

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and there's millions of people protesting about God knows what, you know?

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My main concern is what's going on out there, and it's not a lot.

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But somebody's come to interrupt Steve's peaceful isolation...

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..Broxbourne Council's Major Sites Development Officer, Andy MacDougall.

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What's the tattoo?

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Basically a bunch of arrows that go right the way up to the shoulder.

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Little bit symbolic for something. Don't really know what.

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One of those mid-life crises that had to be done.

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Not sure Mum liked it, though. She'll get used to it.

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Since woodsman Steve built a house in the green belt,

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he's been in breach of planning law.

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Mr Gumble operates a charcoal-producing business.

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He does have a lawful planning permission

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to run that business from the site.

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What he doesn't have is the lawful right to occupy

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the land as a residential dwelling.

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Green belt policies exist to stop the spread of houses within it.

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I suppose my job is to stop the green belt free-for-all at the moment.

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The danger is, if you start pushing out into green fields,

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you erode those fields, you erode the countryside,

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you erode areas that people use for leisure.

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So it's not an ideal situation.

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For the last two years, Steve has been locked in a costly legal battle

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with the council to try and keep his house.

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But after spending nearly all his savings on legal advice,

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he's now trying to obtain retrospective planning permission.

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As I understand British law,

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if you are a farmer, you can live on your farm,

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if you're a forester, you can live in your forest.

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It doesn't get much more forestry than making charcoal,

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green-timber building, and I'm also growing about 800 trees.

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He's obviously claiming that he has to be on site at all times

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during the burning and the production of charcoal.

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I wouldn't want these to burn out of control,

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but I've got to assess whether or not he could reasonably

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look after those burners

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without actually having to live on the site.

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Steve has submitted his application.

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The planners have eight weeks to consider it.

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If this planning application does fail, then, yeah,

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it will be pretty hard to run the business.

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My whole life is on the line, yeah, yeah. Yeah.

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My decision could be not only his home,

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which might have to be removed, but the ceasing of his business.

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Every square inch of Britain has a purpose.

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Planners decide which land should be commercial,

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industrial or residential, in an attempt to regulate development.

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In Rhyl, North Wales,

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the council has spent the last seven years

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crafting its new development plan,

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which assigns a specific use to every area of the city.

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In the beginning, God. It all started with God.

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But when Pastor Mike Bettany wanted a place for his new church,

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he consulted a much older publication.

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I was reading my Bible and I came across a verse

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in Deuteronomy where God speaking to Moses said, "Go and seek THE place

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"where the Lord your God chooses to put his name for a dwelling place."

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I've meditated on that, and here we are now,

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this is the place, this beautiful factory.

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Pastor Bettany wants to build a brand-new church

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and community centre on this industrial plot,

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which will include a counselling service, a nursery

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and a food bank for the poor.

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That's roughly what we're looking to do. It's a lot cheaper than

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the old brick construction.

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And then this blue building will be a sports centre.

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But the site has been designated for industry,

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and the planners have to authorise a change of use

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before the pastor can start building.

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I'm not in control, planners are not in control. God is in control.

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The church will be built.

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But one objector thinks the area

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should continue to be devoted exclusively to business.

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Follow me to my world.

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Hang on, I'll look cool.

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No, I'll be serious.

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Property tycoon Dougie Parry

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owns the industrial unit next to the proposed church

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and he's been renting it out to this steelworks

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for the past eight years.

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Car parts go into here...

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I don't really know what they do. Hold the phone a second.

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Gavin, what are they for? They're car parts...?

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Yeah.

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Yes, and what do they do? I mean, what are they for?

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-You should know by now, Doug!

-BLEEP

-help me!

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Products from this factory

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are used to transport car parts all over the world.

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The company has ambitions to expand.

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Dougie tried to buy the industrial plot next door,

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but was pipped to the post by Pastor Bettany.

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We are a manufacturing country.

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We've lost an awful lot of manufacturing,

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but we need manufacturing in this country more than anything else.

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In the last five years, £29 million of regeneration money

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has been ploughed into Rhyl.

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Planner Paul Mead is in charge of this application.

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It's had a few kicks over the years, has Rhyl.

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And it continues to struggle

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with social and economic problems.

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The deprivation that you see,

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it's really quite saddening to see what Rhyl has become.

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It's got to reinvent itself.

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The pastor's application poses a real dilemma for Paul.

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MOBILE RINGS Hello?

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He has to balance the church's charitable work

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with the potential for employment.

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This site used to give work to 150 people.

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In terms of the employment, then,

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cos you've mentioned that you would be employing people here,

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what roles would they be undertaking at the site?

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-Number one - I'm employed.

-OK.

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Number two - there will need to be an overall site manager.

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The coffee bar will need two full-time

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-with the possibility of maybe two part-time staff.

-Mm.

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But also, because we are a church,

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we don't want to run a successful business. We want to run a ministry.

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Oh, OK, well... It's got a lot of things that are ticking boxes,

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you know, in terms of what community cohesion is about,

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the community involvement, bringing people together

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and the benefits that you are bringing to Rhyl are quite clear...

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Pastor Bettany has such strong belief in his vision

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that he spent £180,000 of church funds on buying the site.

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He now hopes planner Paul will see the light

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and recommend approval for this application.

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THEY SING UPBEAT SONG

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We pray, Lord, I ask your blessing upon everyone throughout this coming week.

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Those who are faced with difficult decisions,

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I pray that you will give them great wisdom to make the right decisions.

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In Jesus' name, amen.

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With nearly 2.5 million unemployed across the UK,

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record numbers of people are creating their own businesses.

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In Broxbourne, Bee Hopkins runs a successful dog-walking business,

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but her plans to expand it are messing up neighbourly relations.

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Good girls!

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Makes you feel a bit lighter now!

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Bee wants to join the 80,000 UK businesses run from garden sheds,

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which last year contributed £6.1 billion to the economy.

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In 2012, she built kennels in her garden

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and asked for permission from the planners to keep dogs.

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But they refused.

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I lost on the potential for noise

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to the surrounding neighbours.

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So I'm resubmitting my application,

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this time for cats to be boarded only.

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I've converted the one dog kennel now into a cat chalet.

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So I have a cat pen, a cat chalet,

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and I have hutches for guinea pigs and rabbits.

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Bee hopes with quieter guests,

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the council will now grant her permission.

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Planning assistant Rob Webster is handling this application.

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I'm not an animal person,

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so I'm not sure I've ever seen a cat hotel before,

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so, eye-opening stuff.

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Bee is proposing to accommodate a maximum of nine furry animals

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in her luxury sheds, charging £8.50 per day.

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-Come on into the pet pen!

-Thank you very much.

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This is the indoor bay area.

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I've got the tower, I've got a catnip chase.

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They will also have other things to play with, like balls,

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squeaky mice, that kind of thing, in here.

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It's not often as a planner you need to get inside the head of a cat,

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but I think it's better than I get at home, this!

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Next-door neighbour Larry Shannon is less impressed.

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The garden shed is a summertime retreat for this former detective.

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But Larry had to come out of retirement recently

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to sniff out a bedroom intruder.

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I woke up on a Monday morning,

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and there was the biggest load of muck and wee

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on the bed you'd ever seen.

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I could hear "tinkle-tinkle" and I see this cat, creeping...

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This feline break-in has put Larry off pussies for good,

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and he's now objecting to Bee's planning application.

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I'm against the cattery and rabbits and whatnot else

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because of the cats around here, there's too many cats.

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There's cats, there's everything around here, but she don't care.

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ROARING

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And Larry isn't alone.

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76-year-old widow Doreen Sims

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has lived in the house next door for 42 years.

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I'm a Sinatra fan

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and I sometimes join in.

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SHE CHUCKLES

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And if the bones are not aching too much,

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I might get up and have a little dance.

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# Come fly with me Let's fly, let's fly away. #

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It's... What is it now? I've forgotten the words!

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Like Larry, Doreen is worried that Bee's furry guests

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will be allowed to roam free.

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I've got visions of them hopping over that fence

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and I'm going to get quite a few visitors, I think.

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And I don't want that.

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-If you want to have a look...

-I'll poke my nose over the top...

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Having assessed the site, planner Rob has to decide

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which side of the fence he wants to come down on.

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-Ooh, careful!

-I hope that wasn't too important!

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He has to choose between recommending approval for Bee's new business,

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or listening to the neighbours' concerns and refuse it.

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Okey-dokey, I'll mind my step before I try and continue.

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-All right.

-See you again.

-Thank you.

-All right. Bye.

-Bye.

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This is so small fry. I don't understand why it's such a problem.

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I could have this amount of pets of my own.

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Bee's business dreams are on the line once again.

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To not win this time would be potentially devastating.

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Just two miles away, in the green belt of London,

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the future of Steve Gumble's home depends on the outcome

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of his retrospective planning application.

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This whole planning thing has probably cost me 25 grand so far.

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To me, that's a lot of money,

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that's a lot of charcoal I've got to make to make that money back.

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But there's no point in getting angry

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and labelling all planning officers as complete what-and-evers,

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because I'm sure that there is one or two out there with a conscience.

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Planner Andy MacDougall is in charge of this application.

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Dwellings within the green belt are looked at very carefully.

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And, at the moment,

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I'm...on the side of sceptical,

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rather than...

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..wanting to approve it.

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There is a potential issue of highway access.

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I certainly wouldn't want it on my conscience

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that I recommend something for approval, a year down the line,

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a serious accident takes place because of inappropriate access to the site.

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Hence why I've gone to the County Council Highway Officer for an opinion.

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When we look at developments, one of the key things is to make sure that

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it encourages walking and cycling and public transport and so on.

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And then, when I turn up in this car,

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a black Audi A3, big engine, yeah, it kind of...

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I think it's the impression that I don't always practise what I preach.

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So, I try not to do every site visit in this. If I can walk, then I will.

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But, er... yeah.

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Highways Officer Matt Armstrong has to work out

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whether the access is suitable for Steve's domestic and business needs.

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Visibility really isn't great in both directions.

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Particularly in that direction.

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There should be 215 metres' visibility.

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Nowhere near that here.

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For what is a 60-mile-an-hour road, that's not brilliant.

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After carefully considering all the elements,

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Matt is ready to give his professional opinion.

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I've got to look purely at all of this from a technical aspect.

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The level of visibility's not great,

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the road surface isn't really what we would like.

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Road width perhaps a bit limited as well, but the fact is,

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they've had permission for the last six, seven years or so

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to use the site, so I can't really turn round now

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and say that they can't carry on using this access.

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So long as the business keeps at the same level that it has been,

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there's not a great deal I can really object on.

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Steve's application has the backing of the Highway Agency -

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but for planner Andy, work isn't finished yet.

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Before he makes a recommendation, he has to look for any precedent.

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There is a lot of case law and applications out there which would go against him.

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So, I've got to take it all in the round,

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assess all his information, um...

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and give him a fair chance.

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In Rhyl, Pastor Mike Bettany

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has been looking for a place for his new church for two years.

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He considered an ex-nightclub, an abattoir

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and a frozen meat factory,

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but in the end, he asked his parishioners to dig deep

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to buy this derelict industrial plot.

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Today, he'll find out if the planners

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have recommended approval or refusal for the construction of his church.

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I was talking to a pastor from Egypt,

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and this Egyptian pastor said, "We're praying for you."

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In the centre of Egypt, where Christians killed,

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their buildings have been burnt down, they're praying for us.

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It's like, "What do we need?"

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Apart from planning permission, what do we need?

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Hallelujah, hallelujah.

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Objector Dougie Parry is praying the pastor's plans are refused

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and wastes no time in calling the planner.

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Hello, Paul. Can you tell me what the decision is or how we've got on?

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It's bad news for Pastor Bettany and his Pentecostal community,

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as the planners couldn't support

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putting a church on an industrial site.

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Thank you, bye-bye. Bye-bye.

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That's certainly good news.

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I was brought up in Rhyl when Rhyl was a very busy, thriving place.

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And it's deteriorated so much

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that I think this is a positive move for the area

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and I hope it may give other people initiatives to spring off from this.

0:21:060:21:12

It's got to start somewhere.

0:21:120:21:15

The recommendation to refuse the application has been sent out

0:21:150:21:19

to the planning committee members by planner Paul Mead.

0:21:190:21:21

We need to protect what employment land

0:21:210:21:24

we have got in Rhyl, which is quite scarce.

0:21:240:21:27

I know the Reverend has mentioned that he will employ a few people

0:21:270:21:30

within this church complex, but, unfortunately,

0:21:300:21:34

we were probably hoping that he was probably going to be able to employ

0:21:340:21:38

a lot more people than he is doing on that particular site

0:21:380:21:41

and that's what the site's allocated for.

0:21:410:21:44

But it's the elected members

0:21:440:21:46

of the planning committee who have the final word.

0:21:460:21:48

Former seamstress Pat Jones

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and corner-shop owner Margaret McCarroll

0:21:510:21:53

are two of the longest-serving councillors.

0:21:530:21:56

I've been on the town 17, 18 years

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and then went to be a county councillor.

0:22:000:22:04

Together with town councillors like Ellie,

0:22:040:22:07

Pat and Margaret work to regenerate one of the most deprived areas in the country.

0:22:070:22:11

Gorgeous! Absolutely gorgeous!

0:22:110:22:14

So many little hidden gems like here.

0:22:140:22:17

I remember when my children were little, Craig fell in this pond.

0:22:170:22:20

-Oh, did he?

-Come to Rhyl, it's brill!

0:22:200:22:23

THEY LAUGH

0:22:230:22:25

Deciding on this application won't be a walk in the park.

0:22:250:22:28

Ahead of the planning committee meeting, they have to make a site visit.

0:22:280:22:32

-We shall make an official...

-Two minutes.

-Two minutes to go?

0:22:340:22:37

Oh, OK. We've got to be precise. We've got to...

0:22:370:22:40

Shall we have a sing-song, or...?

0:22:400:22:42

The site visit is due to start at 10am.

0:22:430:22:47

So they must wait to allow time for any of the other 30 members to arrive.

0:22:470:22:52

I think we're getting close to ten o'clock, ladies, aren't we?

0:22:520:22:55

Shall we beckon the chair and vice-chair back

0:22:550:22:58

from their in-depth conversation, look?

0:22:580:23:00

They're not talking about planning at all there, are they?

0:23:000:23:03

They're talking about barbecues, et cetera.

0:23:030:23:06

Well, we'll make a start. The site, within our development plan,

0:23:060:23:10

is allocated for employment purposes.

0:23:100:23:13

The inspector has basically said this site needs to be

0:23:130:23:17

retained for employment purposes.

0:23:170:23:18

We've only got 1.8 hectares of employment land in Rhyl

0:23:180:23:22

and if this does go, it's gone then,

0:23:220:23:25

and then where do we find the other required lands?

0:23:250:23:27

-You want something like this for your ward?

-Yes.

0:23:270:23:31

You're also thinking about what, historically, this area's been.

0:23:310:23:37

We'll see you again on Wednesday, OK? Thanks very much indeed. Bye.

0:23:370:23:42

I don't know the Reverend, but what a wonderful project!

0:23:420:23:46

What would this do for our community?

0:23:460:23:49

Choosing between economic or spiritual healing

0:23:490:23:53

is proving a real dilemma.

0:23:530:23:56

Some things are difficult...

0:23:560:23:58

..and some things are quite simple.

0:23:590:24:03

But the difficult ones are really difficult, aren't they?

0:24:030:24:09

The Forestry Commission looks after 3% of Britain's land.

0:24:160:24:21

Facing severe cuts in public funding and falling timber sales,

0:24:240:24:28

it has recently come up with a new money-making plan.

0:24:280:24:31

The Forestry Commission has teamed up with a private company,

0:24:330:24:36

Forest Holidays, to build holiday villages

0:24:360:24:39

inside Britain's publicly owned forests.

0:24:390:24:42

Offering beauty treatments and outdoor hot tubs.

0:24:430:24:47

Their next target is Delamere Forest in Cheshire.

0:24:480:24:52

This 2,400-acre forest currently loses £140,000 a year.

0:24:540:25:01

For Head of Recreation David Williamson,

0:25:010:25:03

not to build a holiday village here is a luxury he can't afford.

0:25:030:25:08

Providing public access in forests is a costly business.

0:25:090:25:12

Working with our colleagues in Forest Holidays,

0:25:120:25:15

we're able to bring an income stream

0:25:150:25:17

to help support the forest in the long term.

0:25:170:25:20

The proposal is to build 78 log cabins

0:25:210:25:25

that can accommodate 350 tourists.

0:25:250:25:28

Planner Adrian Crowther is in charge of this planning application.

0:25:280:25:32

There's going to be a whole series of lodges on both sides

0:25:340:25:37

of this forest ride, or track, if you like.

0:25:370:25:41

This is where the main visitor facilities are.

0:25:410:25:44

So, you can see they cover quite a significant area.

0:25:440:25:47

But before the Forestry Commission can branch out,

0:25:470:25:51

their plans have to convince Adrian

0:25:510:25:53

to recommend approval for the scheme.

0:25:530:25:56

There's the economic aspects of it.

0:25:560:25:59

What does this bring to the area, to Cheshire West?

0:25:590:26:03

What are the arguments for the Forestry Commission

0:26:030:26:06

in terms of the long-term viability of the forest and the sustainability of it?

0:26:060:26:10

And on the other avenue, they have to demonstrate to us

0:26:100:26:13

that the harm is not going to be significant.

0:26:130:26:15

200 local objectors have made it their mission

0:26:160:26:20

to show Adrian just how harmful this development will be.

0:26:200:26:23

The human body needs a little bit of peace and quiet now and again,

0:26:250:26:29

away from everyday society.

0:26:290:26:32

And there's no better place to come for it than Delamere Forest.

0:26:320:26:35

I'm adding years to my life, walking in here.

0:26:350:26:38

I think I'm taking them off fighting this campaign!

0:26:380:26:40

Chief protester Nigel Gilding lives at the edge of Delamere Forest.

0:26:410:26:46

He owns an industrial carpet business,

0:26:460:26:48

and wants to pull the rug from under this development.

0:26:480:26:52

Now, these aren't small cabins.

0:26:530:26:54

These things are 50 feet long and 29 feet wide.

0:26:540:26:58

And everywhere you turn in 47 acres,

0:26:580:27:02

you will see a lodge or a car.

0:27:020:27:04

You don't see that at the moment.

0:27:040:27:06

Well, obviously, you don't see it, you can SEE you don't see it.

0:27:060:27:09

Imagine a hardcore path there,

0:27:090:27:12

with three cars parked outside it

0:27:120:27:15

and a nice, posh, four-bedroomed, double-glazed lodge. Cracking(!)

0:27:150:27:21

That's what you call the countryside(!)

0:27:210:27:24

Beggars belief!

0:27:240:27:26

Although I'm told that my rights of way won't be affected,

0:27:260:27:28

so I might come and look at Jacuzzi Susie with her top off and say,

0:27:280:27:33

"I've got a perfect right to be stood here looking at you, love!"

0:27:330:27:36

With 12 weeks to go before the planner's recommendation is due,

0:27:380:27:42

Nigel's mobilised the great and the good

0:27:420:27:44

in this affluent corner of Cheshire.

0:27:440:27:46

How many have we got here? Couple of hundred? I would say so.

0:27:480:27:52

I'm the Member of Parliament for this part of Delamere

0:27:520:27:56

and I'm here to advise, I was on a planning committee

0:27:560:27:58

when I was a councillor for ten years so that's my commitment to you.

0:27:580:28:02

I encourage you to sign the petition.

0:28:020:28:03

I have here the traffic management plan that doesn't mention cars!

0:28:030:28:09

Nigel's well-informed objectors are determined to do

0:28:100:28:13

whatever it takes to keep the forest just the way it is.

0:28:130:28:17

No-one here is a NIMBY. You just care about the forest.

0:28:170:28:20

APPLAUSE

0:28:200:28:22

We've got people who know what they're talking about.

0:28:220:28:25

So, without any shadow of a doubt, this will get refused.

0:28:250:28:27

I don't doubt that for a moment.

0:28:270:28:30

I live just up there...

0:28:300:28:31

I'm a busy man. I've got kids, I've not played with me lad for a week, two weeks sorting this out.

0:28:310:28:36

Get in at night and all I do is read documentation.

0:28:360:28:38

If I thought I was wasting my time, I'd not be doing it, I'd just let it happen.

0:28:380:28:41

In Broxbourne, Hertfordshire,

0:28:470:28:49

planner Rob Webster is about to make a recommendation on plans to turn

0:28:490:28:53

a back garden into a luxury hotel for cats, rabbits and guinea pigs.

0:28:530:28:58

Bee Hopkins submitted an application for dog kennels in the past,

0:28:580:29:02

but had it turned down.

0:29:020:29:03

The dogs have been taken out

0:29:030:29:05

from the previous application,

0:29:050:29:07

that was really the issue we had there.

0:29:070:29:10

So, without any dogs, there's no noise issue,

0:29:100:29:13

or not much of a noise issue as far as we're concerned.

0:29:130:29:16

So, we are, yeah, quite happy to recommend approval.

0:29:160:29:19

But the planners recommended approval for her last application

0:29:210:29:25

only for it to be turned down by the council's planning committee.

0:29:250:29:29

And the final word is once again

0:29:310:29:33

down to these 13 elected councillors.

0:29:330:29:36

They include a London taxi driver,

0:29:410:29:43

an ex-market-stall holder

0:29:430:29:45

and a cleaning-company owner.

0:29:450:29:47

The council has refused the application

0:29:470:29:50

against our recommendation before.

0:29:500:29:52

They could very well do it again.

0:29:520:29:53

They will clearly need some convincing.

0:29:530:29:55

So I'm just preparing some glasses and some water

0:29:550:30:00

for the committee members because it's such a hot day.

0:30:000:30:03

It's so hot, I feel really uncomfortable.

0:30:030:30:07

Very sticky. I've tried to dress as comfortable as possible.

0:30:070:30:11

But I draw the line at leaving my shorts on.

0:30:110:30:14

I'm not sure that I've got enough the same size.

0:30:160:30:20

This is identical.

0:30:200:30:21

Some of the guys might want the bigger glasses,

0:30:210:30:24

and the ladies, the smaller ones.

0:30:240:30:26

That would make sense, wouldn't it?

0:30:260:30:28

-There's water and fruit here.

-That's very kind.

0:30:290:30:32

So please help yourself.

0:30:320:30:34

-Sorry, they can't really accept too much, so...

-Right.

0:30:340:30:38

..that's very nice of you.

0:30:380:30:39

But as it's not planning protocol

0:30:390:30:42

to accept hospitality on site visits,

0:30:420:30:44

Bee's spread goes untouched.

0:30:440:30:47

We refused planning permission...

0:30:470:30:50

-..for this being here.

-Mm-hm.

-And yet it's still here.

0:30:510:30:54

-Why isn't it knocked down?

-It's the use that you refused, not the structures.

0:30:540:30:58

The recommendation for approval comes from the fact of,

0:30:580:31:01

you know, that it is of a small scale.

0:31:010:31:03

I totally understand neighbours' concerns about noise,

0:31:030:31:07

but if we think that's eradicated...

0:31:070:31:09

-The smell is one of the things...

-And smell, yeah.

0:31:090:31:11

I think it's well constructed, it's well thought-out.

0:31:110:31:15

Whether this is the right place for it, I'm not sure.

0:31:150:31:18

Whether the committee would agree with that.

0:31:180:31:20

I have visited this site once before. It was geared up for dogs.

0:31:200:31:24

I've still got grave concerns.

0:31:250:31:28

-Back on the bus?

-Back on the bus.

0:31:280:31:30

Do you want to take the water with you? That's the best thing to do.

0:31:300:31:33

-Go on, I'll pass it round.

-Take it. Take both.

0:31:330:31:36

-Thank you.

-I've got more indoors. You're welcome.

0:31:360:31:38

-OK.

-Cheers.

-All right.

0:31:380:31:40

In three days the councillors will pass their verdict.

0:31:410:31:45

In Rhyl, North Wales, it's planning committee day.

0:31:500:31:54

The proposal to build a church on this industrial plot

0:31:540:31:57

will finally be ruled on.

0:31:570:31:59

This is a very reliable machine, this.

0:31:590:32:02

You must've had some strange things in the back of that Rascal, though.

0:32:020:32:05

Yes, yeah. Including my partner!

0:32:050:32:07

THEY LAUGH

0:32:070:32:10

As an objector, Dougie Parry is entitled to argue his case

0:32:100:32:13

during the committee meeting,

0:32:130:32:15

but has decided to employ a consultant instead.

0:32:150:32:18

Will you speak for three minutes at planning committee, Doug?

0:32:180:32:21

-No, I shan't be.

-Really?!

0:32:210:32:22

I thought that would've been perfect for you, to come up on stage...

0:32:220:32:26

No, no. That's what I pay my planning...

0:32:260:32:28

-You're going to get Mr Lloyd to do that for you?

-Yes.

-OK.

0:32:280:32:31

He charges £47 an hour, just to let you know.

0:32:310:32:35

-Heavens!

-Yes.

-Well worth it, I'm sure.

0:32:350:32:38

Yes!

0:32:380:32:40

Dougie may be throwing money at today's planning committee,

0:32:420:32:46

but the pastor is ready to throw the book at it.

0:32:460:32:48

Just reading a verse this morning in Psalms,

0:32:500:32:54

which - it says, "But as for me, I trust in You, oh Lord,

0:32:540:32:58

"I say, 'You are my God,' my times are in your hands."

0:32:580:33:02

And on top of that, I think it's BSC 12,

0:33:020:33:05

the document in their accepted planning policy.

0:33:050:33:08

We tick every single box.

0:33:080:33:09

However, planner Paul Mead

0:33:110:33:13

is recommending refusal for the application.

0:33:130:33:17

The case that the reverend's put forward is quite strong

0:33:170:33:21

in relation to the social cohesion that might be

0:33:210:33:24

brought by his particular use of this site

0:33:240:33:26

but, fundamentally,

0:33:260:33:28

God hasn't provided a lot of jobs in Rhyl over the last few years,

0:33:280:33:32

and I think it's jobs that we really need on this particular site.

0:33:320:33:36

Paul may have recommended refusal to the planning committee members,

0:33:410:33:45

but when voting time comes they're free to overturn his recommendation

0:33:450:33:49

and approve the scheme.

0:33:490:33:51

Should the three Welsh-speaking councillors

0:33:510:33:53

decide to take part in the debate today

0:33:530:33:55

an interpreter and £35,000 worth of equipment

0:33:550:34:00

is ready to spring into action.

0:34:000:34:02

This has two channels.

0:34:020:34:03

That's too difficult for most punters.

0:34:030:34:06

Right? It's a lot, lot easier than learning Welsh.

0:34:060:34:09

I think that the batteries are charged, I think it'll all work.

0:34:110:34:15

-Turn it round.

-Turn it round.

0:34:150:34:18

FEEDBACK

0:34:180:34:19

All members working? Please could you show.

0:34:220:34:26

First to speak is Dougie's planning consultant.

0:34:260:34:29

-Thank you, chair.

-You can have three minutes, thank you.

0:34:290:34:32

First and foremost he's asked me to fully endorse the officer's report

0:34:320:34:36

to provide and protect a range of employment sites

0:34:360:34:39

across the county and within Rhyl.

0:34:390:34:41

So, we request you refuse planning permission.

0:34:410:34:45

Pastor Bettany now has a chance to convert the councillors.

0:34:450:34:48

We've been looking for new premises for almost four years

0:34:490:34:53

because we've outgrown the building we're in.

0:34:530:34:56

We want to employ children's workers and leaders.

0:34:560:34:59

We want to develop our youth ministry and take on full-time staff.

0:34:590:35:04

The day centre for the elderly will require staff.

0:35:040:35:06

The children's suite for parents and toddlers, preschool playgroup,

0:35:060:35:09

it requires staff.

0:35:090:35:12

The pastor hopes that his intention to create jobs

0:35:120:35:15

will make up for the loss of an industrial site.

0:35:150:35:18

Before the vote, councillors Pat Jones and Margaret McCarroll

0:35:180:35:22

have requested to speak.

0:35:220:35:24

During their 18 years of friendship

0:35:240:35:26

they always discussed difficult decisions and voted the same way.

0:35:260:35:30

The present day needs of our community, I'm sorry to say,

0:35:300:35:34

are actually more demanding than ever,

0:35:340:35:37

so the services for this church will be ever more in demand,

0:35:370:35:40

so for those reasons I support the application

0:35:400:35:45

against the wishes of the officers. Thank you for your time.

0:35:450:35:48

Me and Margaret never disagree on something.

0:35:490:35:54

But we so need jobs for our young people.

0:35:540:35:58

So, reluctantly,

0:35:580:35:59

on this particular site,

0:35:590:36:01

I'm going to go with the officer's recommendation for refusal.

0:36:010:36:05

The proposed church aims to promote social cohesion,

0:36:100:36:13

but has already broken up a formidable political alliance.

0:36:130:36:17

OK, thank you, chair, we're going to go to the vote now.

0:36:170:36:20

It's going to be "plus" to grant, and it will be "minus" to refuse.

0:36:200:36:24

All vote now, please.

0:36:240:36:27

In most councils the vote happens with a show of hands,

0:36:270:36:31

but in Denbighshire councillors vote with their fingers.

0:36:310:36:34

OK, members, the application is refused.

0:36:400:36:43

Five councillors agreed with Margaret,

0:36:440:36:47

but overwhelmingly 14 agreed with Pat,

0:36:470:36:50

which means that Pastor Bettany will have to keep looking

0:36:500:36:53

for the promised plot of land.

0:36:530:36:54

It's quite astounding that such an act has just taken place.

0:36:560:37:02

It's ludicrous. Absolutely ludicrous.

0:37:020:37:05

PAUL: I think members were quite clear in their views

0:37:050:37:08

based on the policies that we've got,

0:37:080:37:10

and they weren't going to deviate too much from that.

0:37:100:37:12

That's always been industrial. And you want jobs for the young people.

0:37:130:37:18

There's no jobs.

0:37:180:37:19

And he can't guarantee us that it's going to employ 18 people.

0:37:190:37:23

He just cannot guarantee that.

0:37:230:37:26

For objector Dougie Parry, it's money well spent.

0:37:270:37:31

Hi, great news!

0:37:320:37:34

I've got no grudge against the guy at all.

0:37:360:37:39

Maybe he had a calling to this area,

0:37:390:37:41

but obviously this area's not calling to him.

0:37:410:37:44

Bless him.

0:37:440:37:45

The pastor is now considering selling the plot

0:37:490:37:51

and buying this disused hotel to convert into a church.

0:37:510:37:55

In Broxbourne,

0:38:030:38:05

the decision on Steve Gumble's retrospective planning application

0:38:050:38:08

for his house is imminent.

0:38:080:38:11

The outcome will determine his future way of life.

0:38:120:38:16

If this planning application does fail,

0:38:160:38:18

it would mean that I haven't got the security to carry on the business.

0:38:180:38:22

I don't want to sign on the dole, I don't want a council house.

0:38:220:38:25

There's nothing wrong with them, fine.

0:38:250:38:27

This is how I want to be living - in the woods.

0:38:270:38:30

Steve's business has been the deciding factor

0:38:320:38:35

for planner Andy while coming up with his recommendation.

0:38:350:38:39

The creation of a dwelling on such sites is objectionable in principle

0:38:400:38:44

but all the information from Mr Gumble

0:38:440:38:48

has overcome my initial concerns which I raised.

0:38:480:38:51

And now I'm pretty comfortable in recommending an approval.

0:38:510:38:57

I think there is the special situation

0:38:570:39:02

that he needs to live there 24/7 while charcoal is produced.

0:39:020:39:07

But the council's senior planning officers and two councillors

0:39:070:39:11

have to be consulted before a final decision is taken.

0:39:110:39:14

They will now scrutinise Andy's recommendation

0:39:170:39:20

to approve the application.

0:39:200:39:23

So he's put forward reasons as to why he believes

0:39:230:39:25

he should be allowed to occupy the site.

0:39:250:39:28

Now the management of the charcoal-making process -

0:39:280:39:31

it's a single kiln, it's got to be kept to the right temperature

0:39:310:39:35

and monitored, both for the production of good quality charcoal,

0:39:350:39:40

but also for safety.

0:39:400:39:42

-Clearly that needs his...

-Yes.

0:39:420:39:44

-..attention on site throughout that process.

-OK.

0:39:440:39:48

The next question is, is it a viable business?

0:39:480:39:51

-Yeah.

-Um, and does it have a future?

0:39:510:39:53

Yeah. He has submitted accounts.

0:39:540:39:58

In 2009-10, achieved a turnover of £65,000.

0:39:580:40:02

This reduced to 57,700 in the years 10-11.

0:40:020:40:08

£800 was made from the charcoal business.

0:40:080:40:11

I say in my report, the sales fluctuate,

0:40:110:40:14

and the majority is coming from the timber frame element

0:40:140:40:17

of the business.

0:40:170:40:18

The charcoal business is very much a sideline, isn't it?

0:40:180:40:21

The primary business is the timber frame...

0:40:210:40:24

-Certainly the primary business is timber framing.

-..work.

0:40:240:40:27

Um...

0:40:270:40:28

Well, it's tricky, this, isn't it?

0:40:280:40:30

Because we can't have a precedent where we're just allowing

0:40:300:40:34

anybody to come in and put up a kiln,

0:40:340:40:37

burn that a couple of times

0:40:370:40:39

and then claim that as a reason for a house in the countryside.

0:40:390:40:42

-So we've got to look at the whole business in the round.

-Yeah.

0:40:420:40:46

OK.

0:40:470:40:48

With the planners and the councillors debating,

0:40:480:40:52

Steve is on his way to the council to find out their verdict.

0:40:520:40:55

The ideal result today would be full consent

0:40:560:41:00

with no silly conditions.

0:41:000:41:03

But hopefully this will be the day when it's sorted out.

0:41:030:41:07

Behind closed doors, the panel is about to reach a decision.

0:41:090:41:13

I think it needs to be made clear to Mr Gumble

0:41:140:41:17

that if the business discontinues, the house goes.

0:41:170:41:20

-Yes.

-If the business becomes unviable, the house goes.

-Yes.

0:41:200:41:25

If the business changes, and so it's no longer a rural business,

0:41:250:41:28

the house goes.

0:41:280:41:29

-So, on that basis, everyone OK?

-Yeah.

0:41:290:41:32

Yeah.

0:41:320:41:33

The council has decided to monitor Steve's business,

0:41:330:41:37

and will only allow him to live in his cabin for three years.

0:41:370:41:40

-Morning, sir. How are you doing?

-You all right?

-Yeah, good.

0:41:400:41:42

When this time is up, he will have to reapply for planning permission.

0:41:420:41:47

It's planner Andy's job to break the news.

0:41:470:41:50

-So, basically, we had our delegated meeting.

-Right.

0:41:500:41:54

What we've decided to do is to grant a three year temporary permission.

0:41:540:42:01

I know it's not what you were hoping for when you first applied...

0:42:010:42:04

No, I've made it clear from the start that I need permanency now,

0:42:040:42:07

after eight years,

0:42:070:42:09

so obviously I'm going to have to go away and think about it.

0:42:090:42:11

-Yeah, thank you very much.

-Cheers. Bye-bye.

0:42:110:42:13

Heat of the moment, I don't think he was overly happy.

0:42:160:42:19

But hopefully he'll go away today and have a think about it

0:42:190:42:22

and realise actually it is quite a good result for him.

0:42:220:42:25

You don't get houses in the green belt very easily.

0:42:250:42:29

I want a permanent position,

0:42:290:42:31

and for the council to want to have to control me and my business

0:42:310:42:34

is just not tenable.

0:42:340:42:36

It's just not good enough.

0:42:360:42:37

I've asked for full permission, and after eight years...

0:42:370:42:42

legally, morally, you name it, I think I've got a right to be there.

0:42:420:42:47

Else I wouldn't have started doing it.

0:42:470:42:49

Steve isn't giving up his fight for permanency

0:42:490:42:52

and has now appealed against the council's decision.

0:42:520:42:55

Morning, Andy. The saga continues, mate, I'm afraid.

0:42:550:42:58

I'm going to be 90 by the time this is over.

0:42:580:43:01

Back in Cheshire, businessman Nigel Gilding

0:43:070:43:10

is campaigning against the proposed construction of a holiday village

0:43:100:43:13

with outdoor hot tubs

0:43:130:43:15

among the ancient trees of Delamere Forest.

0:43:150:43:18

That was at the weekend, that.

0:43:200:43:22

There were loads of horse lorries and boxes came in at the weekend.

0:43:220:43:25

Won't be quite the same with holiday lodges in it, will it?

0:43:250:43:28

The people in the hot tub may be having a fun ride,

0:43:280:43:30

have you thought about that?

0:43:300:43:32

Nigel's come to the council offices to hand the fruits of his campaign

0:43:350:43:39

to the planner in charge of this application.

0:43:390:43:42

The petition is there.

0:43:420:43:44

Exhaustively collected by volunteers.

0:43:440:43:47

It's a pretty big document, really.

0:43:470:43:50

Nigel's petition used up a tenth of a tree in paper.

0:43:500:43:54

He's hoping that it will convince the planner

0:43:540:43:56

to recommend refusal.

0:43:560:43:57

I sincerely apologise for being so late,

0:43:570:43:59

and I know your time's limited, so I want to just be very quick.

0:43:590:44:03

That'll keep me busy, won't it?

0:44:030:44:06

Nigel may be proud of his petition,

0:44:060:44:08

but size, in planning, isn't everything.

0:44:080:44:10

Numbers are an issue,

0:44:120:44:13

but what we're bothered about is what the issues are.

0:44:130:44:16

We're bothered about what the planning matters are.

0:44:160:44:18

Not just numbers of residents.

0:44:180:44:20

And in here we've got very few actual comments, unfortunately.

0:44:200:44:24

They're just signatures. So...

0:44:240:44:26

When Adrian's recommendation comes in,

0:44:280:44:32

it's not the highlight of Nigel's day.

0:44:320:44:34

The planner has recommended approval.

0:44:340:44:37

Yeah.

0:44:380:44:39

I've had my orange pen and my pink pen out.

0:44:390:44:42

My orange pen highlights certain aspects of it I'd look further into,

0:44:420:44:46

and pink ones are ones where I think it's a load of old rubbish.

0:44:460:44:50

And as you can see, there's a little bit of pink on every page, really.

0:44:500:44:53

A lot of work's gone into raising our objections,

0:44:530:44:57

and it's not had much of a bearing, really, on what's what.

0:44:570:45:03

So my faith in local democracy has been knocked somewhat.

0:45:030:45:06

The planner believes that the holiday village

0:45:070:45:10

will generate the income Delamere needs to survive,

0:45:100:45:13

and that the development won't spoil the enjoyment of the forest

0:45:130:45:16

for the local population.

0:45:160:45:18

But the people in charge of making the ultimate decision

0:45:230:45:26

are the nine elected members of the strategic planning committee.

0:45:260:45:29

Norman, do we have any sweets coming round the bus?

0:45:310:45:34

-I haven't brought any sweets today.

-Aw.

0:45:340:45:37

This special body includes a farmer, a rock salt producer

0:45:370:45:42

and a quality manager in an arms company.

0:45:420:45:44

It only meets when a planning application

0:45:440:45:47

threatens to change the borough dramatically.

0:45:470:45:49

This is one of the interesting aspects of planning,

0:45:510:45:54

is that you have the opportunity to...

0:45:540:45:56

to put your nose in!

0:45:560:45:59

Can I ask what facility arrangements they've got?

0:46:030:46:06

Are they in the cabins?

0:46:060:46:08

-Are you talking about the toilet facilities?

-The toilets, yes.

0:46:080:46:10

This is the height of luxury, Norman. This is the whole nine yards.

0:46:100:46:14

-It's toilet, showers, everything you need in a...

-Hot tub.

0:46:140:46:18

Hot tubs on the verandas with certain ones.

0:46:180:46:20

What do you think? Hot tubs in the forest.

0:46:210:46:23

Well, it reminds me of some experiences I've had in California.

0:46:230:46:29

But Nigel believes he's unearthed something

0:46:330:46:36

that will force the councillors to refuse this application.

0:46:360:46:40

There's a pipeline runs through here.

0:46:400:46:42

It's full of aviation fuel,

0:46:420:46:44

that runs from Stanlow to Manchester Airport

0:46:440:46:47

to fuel the jets.

0:46:470:46:48

So, it's beneath here, and it runs down.

0:46:480:46:51

We've got - and I don't know the exact distance -

0:46:510:46:53

somewhere round about 70 or 80m away you've got the nearest lodge.

0:46:530:46:57

The danger is that the pipeline explodes.

0:46:570:47:01

You've got 300 people, children and dogs included,

0:47:010:47:03

sat having a cup of tea in a lodge nearby.

0:47:030:47:06

Have you ever thrown a Christmas tree on a bonfire?

0:47:060:47:09

Blooming 'eck. It's just crying out for a disaster, isn't it?

0:47:090:47:12

Nigel thinks that planner Adrian has overlooked the pipeline issue,

0:47:150:47:19

and he intends to publicly expose him at planning committee.

0:47:190:47:23

All my reading, and I've done a lot of reading,

0:47:230:47:26

cos I don't want to make myself look a fool,

0:47:260:47:29

all my reading says that this is a showstopper.

0:47:290:47:32

When the committee understands

0:47:340:47:35

how important the information is on this pipeline,

0:47:350:47:38

your time's up, boy.

0:47:380:47:40

200 miles south, in Broxbourne, Hertfordshire,

0:47:460:47:49

plans to turn a back garden into a hotel for cats, rabbits

0:47:490:47:52

and guinea pigs are about to be debated by the planning committee.

0:47:520:47:56

13 elected councillors from all walks of life

0:47:580:48:01

will be voting on this application.

0:48:010:48:03

Planner Rob Webster will be there to keep them on a tight leash.

0:48:040:48:08

They can be unpredictable.

0:48:080:48:10

There are reasons for refusal from councillors

0:48:100:48:13

that you never saw coming,

0:48:130:48:15

but, you know, we still have officers here on the night

0:48:150:48:18

to give them a little bit of advice.

0:48:180:48:21

Can't fault those right angles, can you?

0:48:210:48:23

This is applicant Bee Hopkins's second appearance

0:48:250:48:28

at a planning committee in 12 months.

0:48:280:48:30

Her plan to run kennels last year was turned down.

0:48:300:48:33

She has the support of her best friends and of her son, Zane.

0:48:350:48:39

But first to speak will be next-door neighbour Larry Shannon

0:48:410:48:44

on behalf of Doreen and four other objectors.

0:48:440:48:48

I'm against this application as I see no need for a change of use.

0:48:490:48:53

We already have foxes and rats in the area,

0:48:530:48:55

and I feel this would only make the situation of vermin

0:48:550:48:58

in the neighbourhood worse.

0:48:580:49:00

It should also be noted that, due to the council only collecting

0:49:000:49:03

household food waste every two weeks,

0:49:030:49:05

we already have smells and flies in the area.

0:49:050:49:09

I feel cats' and any other animal waste would only add to this.

0:49:090:49:12

I thank the committee for listening to me.

0:49:120:49:15

It's now time for Bee to defend herself.

0:49:180:49:21

Good evening, ladies and gentlemen.

0:49:230:49:26

I note that the one concern,

0:49:260:49:29

the one reason why I was turned down last time,

0:49:290:49:33

was the potential for noise, and for that alone.

0:49:330:49:37

There is no noise now.

0:49:380:49:40

The cats that I have are in pens, and there is no noise being emitted.

0:49:400:49:45

I hear what Mr Shannon says about the smells and the vermin

0:49:450:49:49

and everything else, and as far as I'm concerned I'm very hygienic,

0:49:490:49:53

so there should be no problem

0:49:530:49:55

with any guinea pig bedding or any cat litter.

0:49:550:49:58

Thank you.

0:49:590:50:01

APPLAUSE

0:50:010:50:03

There will be noise and smell.

0:50:090:50:11

Cats are smelly, cat faeces is very, very smelly,

0:50:110:50:14

and I think the members here should take that into consideration.

0:50:140:50:17

I don't know whether I should declare an interest -

0:50:180:50:20

this application is for nine animals.

0:50:200:50:22

Well, when I lived in Church Lane I had two cats, a dog, two ducks...

0:50:220:50:26

LAUGHTER

0:50:260:50:27

..and a wife.

0:50:270:50:29

And I didn't need planning permission for that,

0:50:290:50:32

and I think this application is...

0:50:320:50:33

She's done her utmost to do the decent thing,

0:50:330:50:37

to cut out noise and things like that, and I move the recommendation.

0:50:370:50:41

APPLAUSE

0:50:410:50:43

Bee's plans have convinced one animal-loving councillor,

0:50:430:50:47

but she needs at least six more votes in favour.

0:50:470:50:50

Can I ask for a show of hands?

0:50:500:50:52

Anyone against?

0:50:550:50:57

The motion's carried.

0:50:590:51:00

The committee has approved Bee's luxury pet hotel.

0:51:040:51:07

I'm going home.

0:51:080:51:10

-Just very quickly, Doreen...

-No.

0:51:100:51:12

Just very, very quickly, how are you feeling?

0:51:120:51:14

Rotten.

0:51:140:51:16

I won!

0:51:170:51:18

We've won. We've won!

0:51:190:51:22

It's been tough. I felt like I was some kind of criminal.

0:51:220:51:26

I used to come out of my home

0:51:260:51:28

feeling like I'd crawled out from under a stone,

0:51:280:51:30

because everyone would be, "Shh-shh," you now?

0:51:300:51:33

And it was - it felt very much cloak and dagger,

0:51:330:51:36

and it shouldn't be like that.

0:51:360:51:38

But now, you know... Perseverance, perseverance, definitely.

0:51:380:51:43

The new wave of holiday villages sweeping through Britain's forests

0:51:500:51:54

could soon come to Delamere in Cheshire.

0:51:540:51:57

Soon to be invaded by holiday cabins like triffids.

0:51:570:52:01

70 hot tubs bubbling away.

0:52:010:52:03

Delightful(!)

0:52:030:52:05

There, it'll be. Yeah.

0:52:050:52:07

Bikini Brenda in her hot tub will be there.

0:52:070:52:10

With a glass of champagne in her hand.

0:52:100:52:12

Nothing wrong with champagne.

0:52:120:52:14

Defending Delamere

0:52:160:52:17

has been businessman Nigel Gilding's obsession for the last 12 months.

0:52:170:52:22

That's all Delamere planning stuff.

0:52:220:52:24

Research of presentations, letters, DEFRA, the whole lot...

0:52:240:52:31

But the culmination of his campaigning

0:52:310:52:33

will be his speech at tomorrow's planning committee.

0:52:330:52:36

Two minutes 57.3 seconds!

0:52:360:52:40

Or thereabouts.

0:52:400:52:42

And it reads...

0:52:420:52:43

"Committee members,

0:52:430:52:44

"I would like to draw your attention to page 40 of the..."

0:52:440:52:47

Nigel's battle plan is to prove

0:52:470:52:49

that the planner has failed to give due notice

0:52:490:52:52

to the Health and Safety Executive about a major fuel pipeline

0:52:520:52:56

running next to the proposed cabins.

0:52:560:52:58

There's been a major short cut taken,

0:52:580:53:00

and it's a short cut that can affect public safety.

0:53:000:53:04

And I can't see the circumstances where any member of that committee,

0:53:040:53:08

listening to what I have to say tomorrow,

0:53:080:53:12

can approve that planning application tomorrow.

0:53:120:53:15

To me, what I've got there is cast iron,

0:53:150:53:21

concrete proof that it can't be approved tomorrow.

0:53:210:53:25

They may not hear anybody else.

0:53:250:53:27

They may just say, "Let's just stop here, there's no point continuing."

0:53:270:53:31

I'll pop a shirt and a jacket on tomorrow.

0:53:310:53:33

Yeah.

0:53:330:53:35

Been saving me shave up for tomorrow.

0:53:350:53:37

As Nigel drives to committee, he's taken care of every detail.

0:53:450:53:50

-BLEEP

-no bloody fuel.

0:53:500:53:52

Nigel's supporters file in with their own pieces of paper,

0:53:560:53:59

but their hopes rest on one A4 sheet

0:53:590:54:02

bearing their leader's finely crafted argument.

0:54:020:54:05

Well, we all like to win, don't we?

0:54:060:54:08

It's nice to be vindicated.

0:54:080:54:10

Let battle commence.

0:54:110:54:12

Nigel's lived and breathed planning regulations for 12 months.

0:54:140:54:19

He's now ready to beat the planner at his own game,

0:54:190:54:22

and put a premature end to this meeting.

0:54:220:54:24

Committee members, you have an opportunity today

0:54:280:54:30

to defend Delamere, and prevent its gradual erosion to which this

0:54:300:54:34

proposal would no doubt lead.

0:54:340:54:36

The hazardous aviation fuel pipeline makes this decision easy

0:54:360:54:39

for committee members, as the legal requirement

0:54:390:54:42

for 21 days' notice period to the HSE has not been observed.

0:54:420:54:45

Therefore, the content of the original officer's report

0:54:450:54:48

should be seen as inaccurate.

0:54:480:54:49

No approval can be given today.

0:54:490:54:51

Thank you. APPLAUSE

0:54:510:54:54

Planner Adrian now has to defend himself.

0:54:570:54:59

For those that don't understand, I'll try and explain it quickly.

0:55:010:55:04

Should you be minded to approve this application this afternoon,

0:55:040:55:07

the application would be referred to the HSE

0:55:070:55:10

to see whether they feel it's appropriate to call the matter in.

0:55:100:55:13

You can't... I'm sorry, you can't approve.

0:55:130:55:16

-Excuse me.

-OK.

0:55:160:55:19

-It is technically wrong.

-Excuse me.

0:55:190:55:21

APPLAUSE

0:55:210:55:22

Can I finish, Chair?

0:55:230:55:25

Nigel may have popular support in his bid to save the forest,

0:55:250:55:29

but it looks like he's been barking up the wrong tree.

0:55:290:55:32

Excuse me.

0:55:320:55:33

Please, carry on.

0:55:330:55:35

To be precise, members, you are minded to approve

0:55:350:55:38

the application, should you do that, it then goes to the HSE.

0:55:380:55:42

If they are happy it is acceptable, as we feel will be the case,

0:55:420:55:47

then the decision would stand.

0:55:470:55:48

-Thank you, Chair.

-Thank you.

0:55:500:55:52

Planner Adrian has followed the correct procedure.

0:55:520:55:55

The Health and Safety Executive will be notified,

0:55:550:55:58

but only after councillors have decided if they want to approve

0:55:580:56:02

the holiday village application.

0:56:020:56:04

All those in favour please show.

0:56:040:56:07

Eight.

0:56:100:56:11

Against?

0:56:120:56:14

Clearly carried. Thank you.

0:56:150:56:18

Shame on you all.

0:56:180:56:20

An overwhelming majority has voted in favour of the log cabins.

0:56:220:56:26

But Nigel still thinks he knows best.

0:56:260:56:29

Well, that wasn't... It was nothing, was it?

0:56:290:56:32

It was just a total sham.

0:56:320:56:33

They've believed what they've been told by Mr Crowther.

0:56:330:56:37

Factually incorrect information

0:56:370:56:40

that everybody falls for, hook, line and sinker.

0:56:400:56:42

There's been no robust testing of anything.

0:56:420:56:45

They've all just rolled over and died.

0:56:450:56:47

It's incredible. Absolutely phenomenal.

0:56:470:56:50

-Well done, Nige.

-BLEEP.

0:56:510:56:52

We like a good debate in planning,

0:56:560:56:58

and we like the issues batted about.

0:56:580:57:00

The adrenaline flows in that situation,

0:57:000:57:02

and whilst there are times when it's tough,

0:57:020:57:04

that's the endgame, isn't it?

0:57:040:57:07

I don't doubt they'll start digging tomorrow.

0:57:080:57:10

Press a green button, and they'll be there.

0:57:100:57:12

I wonder who I complain to about that, if that happens?

0:57:130:57:15

Not the local council, that's for sure,

0:57:170:57:18

cos they won't give a toss.

0:57:180:57:20

But unexpectedly,

0:57:230:57:25

the Secretary of State for Communities and Local Government

0:57:250:57:28

has called in this application,

0:57:280:57:30

as he thinks it may conflict with national policies.

0:57:300:57:33

A public inquiry will be held before a new decision is made.

0:57:330:57:37

For now, the future of Delamere Forest is still undecided.

0:57:370:57:41

Next time...

0:57:420:57:44

No to the student village!

0:57:440:57:47

..Chester residents revolt over plans to build on green belt.

0:57:470:57:51

I think it's time to move the bus, if you don't mind.

0:57:510:57:54

I don't believe this council. I'm not voting next time.

0:57:540:57:58

Plans to extend a children's home

0:57:590:58:01

creates a moral dilemma for councillors.

0:58:010:58:03

It's extremely difficult,

0:58:030:58:05

because the children's interests have to be considered, as well.

0:58:050:58:08

And can residents get this business closed down?

0:58:080:58:12

I get really annoyed - this isn't an industrial area.

0:58:120:58:15

It's just not on.

0:58:150:58:16

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