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Planning battles are raging across Britain. | 0:00:02 | 0:00:05 | |
-I love the countryside. -So do I, mate, so leave it alone. | 0:00:05 | 0:00:08 | |
I don't have time for NIMBYs. | 0:00:08 | 0:00:10 | |
No to the student village! | 0:00:10 | 0:00:12 | |
In a drive to boost the economy, | 0:00:12 | 0:00:14 | |
the Government has relaxed planning laws. | 0:00:14 | 0:00:17 | |
Here we are with a massive planning application. | 0:00:17 | 0:00:19 | |
It is a big project. | 0:00:19 | 0:00:20 | |
You're talking about 270 million of economic benefit. | 0:00:20 | 0:00:23 | |
I mean, we like to see enterprise, but not on our doorstep. | 0:00:23 | 0:00:27 | |
So developers are cashing in. | 0:00:27 | 0:00:29 | |
Of course I'm here to make a buck. | 0:00:29 | 0:00:31 | |
Guilty as charged. | 0:00:31 | 0:00:32 | |
Objectors are going to war. | 0:00:32 | 0:00:35 | |
It's not morally right, it's not socially right. | 0:00:35 | 0:00:37 | |
Disgusting. | 0:00:37 | 0:00:39 | |
And I'm not having that they were frightened of a bunch of pensioners! | 0:00:41 | 0:00:45 | |
Deciding who wins are Britain's planners. | 0:00:45 | 0:00:48 | |
I can't sit on the fence. It's not a fence, it's railings, basically. | 0:00:48 | 0:00:52 | |
Tonight, a planner has a dilemma... | 0:00:58 | 0:01:01 | |
My decision could be, not only his home, | 0:01:01 | 0:01:03 | |
which might have to be removed, | 0:01:03 | 0:01:07 | |
but the ceasing of his business. | 0:01:07 | 0:01:09 | |
..an applicant puts his plans in the hands of a higher authority... | 0:01:09 | 0:01:13 | |
I'm not in control. Planners are not in control. God is in control. | 0:01:13 | 0:01:18 | |
..and an objector to holiday lodges looks on the bright side. | 0:01:18 | 0:01:22 | |
I might come and look at Jacuzzi Susie with her top off and say, | 0:01:22 | 0:01:25 | |
"I've got a perfect right to be stood here looking at you, love!" | 0:01:25 | 0:01:28 | |
HE LAUGHS | 0:01:28 | 0:01:29 | |
In the UK, green belts were introduced almost 70 years ago, | 0:01:35 | 0:01:41 | |
as a way to control the expansion of our cities. | 0:01:41 | 0:01:44 | |
Planning laws are particularly restrictive here, | 0:01:47 | 0:01:50 | |
and the construction of new houses can only be allowed | 0:01:50 | 0:01:53 | |
in exceptional circumstances. | 0:01:53 | 0:01:55 | |
But just outside London, there's a man who calls the green belt "home". | 0:01:59 | 0:02:04 | |
Steve Gumble owns a 4.5-acre plot in Hertfordshire, | 0:02:04 | 0:02:08 | |
where he still practises an ancient way of life. | 0:02:08 | 0:02:12 | |
I appreciate a lot of simple living. | 0:02:12 | 0:02:15 | |
There's a lot to be said for the medieval side of life. | 0:02:15 | 0:02:18 | |
Apart from the plague. And, um, dysentery. | 0:02:20 | 0:02:24 | |
Probably not be too good. | 0:02:24 | 0:02:26 | |
All you do, you go in, shut the door, do what you're doing. | 0:02:26 | 0:02:29 | |
A sprinkling of sawdust, which is gently rotting down | 0:02:29 | 0:02:32 | |
with whatever else is in there. | 0:02:32 | 0:02:34 | |
The nutrients will leech into the soil to grow this beautiful willow. | 0:02:34 | 0:02:39 | |
Which, apart from screening the place, | 0:02:39 | 0:02:41 | |
it's actually a living entity, it's something we can use. | 0:02:41 | 0:02:44 | |
Using the wood he grows on his land and other local supplies, | 0:02:45 | 0:02:49 | |
Steve produces timber-framed buildings and charcoal. | 0:02:49 | 0:02:53 | |
Ten years ago, after getting divorced, | 0:02:57 | 0:03:00 | |
Steve built himself a log cabin and moved into it. | 0:03:00 | 0:03:03 | |
So, this is my area. That's where I sleep, that's my pit. | 0:03:06 | 0:03:09 | |
This is not the love shack, no, no. | 0:03:09 | 0:03:11 | |
There's not been a lot of love going on here. Not that sort anyway. No. | 0:03:11 | 0:03:15 | |
I'm... Yeah. | 0:03:15 | 0:03:18 | |
In a world of violence, you turn the TV on now | 0:03:21 | 0:03:23 | |
and there's millions of people protesting about God knows what, you know? | 0:03:23 | 0:03:28 | |
My main concern is what's going on out there, and it's not a lot. | 0:03:28 | 0:03:31 | |
But somebody's come to interrupt Steve's peaceful isolation... | 0:03:33 | 0:03:37 | |
..Broxbourne Council's Major Sites Development Officer, Andy MacDougall. | 0:03:43 | 0:03:47 | |
What's the tattoo? | 0:03:47 | 0:03:48 | |
Basically a bunch of arrows that go right the way up to the shoulder. | 0:03:48 | 0:03:52 | |
Little bit symbolic for something. Don't really know what. | 0:03:52 | 0:03:55 | |
One of those mid-life crises that had to be done. | 0:03:55 | 0:03:58 | |
Not sure Mum liked it, though. She'll get used to it. | 0:03:59 | 0:04:03 | |
Since woodsman Steve built a house in the green belt, | 0:04:06 | 0:04:09 | |
he's been in breach of planning law. | 0:04:09 | 0:04:11 | |
Mr Gumble operates a charcoal-producing business. | 0:04:14 | 0:04:19 | |
He does have a lawful planning permission | 0:04:19 | 0:04:22 | |
to run that business from the site. | 0:04:22 | 0:04:25 | |
What he doesn't have is the lawful right to occupy | 0:04:25 | 0:04:29 | |
the land as a residential dwelling. | 0:04:29 | 0:04:32 | |
Green belt policies exist to stop the spread of houses within it. | 0:04:32 | 0:04:38 | |
I suppose my job is to stop the green belt free-for-all at the moment. | 0:04:39 | 0:04:43 | |
The danger is, if you start pushing out into green fields, | 0:04:43 | 0:04:47 | |
you erode those fields, you erode the countryside, | 0:04:47 | 0:04:50 | |
you erode areas that people use for leisure. | 0:04:50 | 0:04:54 | |
So it's not an ideal situation. | 0:04:54 | 0:04:57 | |
For the last two years, Steve has been locked in a costly legal battle | 0:05:00 | 0:05:04 | |
with the council to try and keep his house. | 0:05:04 | 0:05:07 | |
But after spending nearly all his savings on legal advice, | 0:05:07 | 0:05:11 | |
he's now trying to obtain retrospective planning permission. | 0:05:11 | 0:05:14 | |
As I understand British law, | 0:05:16 | 0:05:17 | |
if you are a farmer, you can live on your farm, | 0:05:17 | 0:05:19 | |
if you're a forester, you can live in your forest. | 0:05:19 | 0:05:22 | |
It doesn't get much more forestry than making charcoal, | 0:05:22 | 0:05:25 | |
green-timber building, and I'm also growing about 800 trees. | 0:05:25 | 0:05:28 | |
He's obviously claiming that he has to be on site at all times | 0:05:32 | 0:05:36 | |
during the burning and the production of charcoal. | 0:05:36 | 0:05:40 | |
I wouldn't want these to burn out of control, | 0:05:40 | 0:05:42 | |
but I've got to assess whether or not he could reasonably | 0:05:42 | 0:05:46 | |
look after those burners | 0:05:46 | 0:05:49 | |
without actually having to live on the site. | 0:05:49 | 0:05:52 | |
Steve has submitted his application. | 0:05:52 | 0:05:55 | |
The planners have eight weeks to consider it. | 0:05:55 | 0:05:58 | |
If this planning application does fail, then, yeah, | 0:05:59 | 0:06:02 | |
it will be pretty hard to run the business. | 0:06:02 | 0:06:04 | |
My whole life is on the line, yeah, yeah. Yeah. | 0:06:04 | 0:06:08 | |
My decision could be not only his home, | 0:06:10 | 0:06:15 | |
which might have to be removed, but the ceasing of his business. | 0:06:15 | 0:06:19 | |
Every square inch of Britain has a purpose. | 0:06:26 | 0:06:29 | |
Planners decide which land should be commercial, | 0:06:29 | 0:06:32 | |
industrial or residential, in an attempt to regulate development. | 0:06:32 | 0:06:36 | |
In Rhyl, North Wales, | 0:06:38 | 0:06:40 | |
the council has spent the last seven years | 0:06:40 | 0:06:42 | |
crafting its new development plan, | 0:06:42 | 0:06:44 | |
which assigns a specific use to every area of the city. | 0:06:44 | 0:06:48 | |
In the beginning, God. It all started with God. | 0:06:48 | 0:06:54 | |
But when Pastor Mike Bettany wanted a place for his new church, | 0:06:54 | 0:06:57 | |
he consulted a much older publication. | 0:06:57 | 0:07:00 | |
I was reading my Bible and I came across a verse | 0:07:02 | 0:07:04 | |
in Deuteronomy where God speaking to Moses said, "Go and seek THE place | 0:07:04 | 0:07:09 | |
"where the Lord your God chooses to put his name for a dwelling place." | 0:07:09 | 0:07:13 | |
I've meditated on that, and here we are now, | 0:07:14 | 0:07:17 | |
this is the place, this beautiful factory. | 0:07:17 | 0:07:20 | |
Pastor Bettany wants to build a brand-new church | 0:07:20 | 0:07:23 | |
and community centre on this industrial plot, | 0:07:23 | 0:07:26 | |
which will include a counselling service, a nursery | 0:07:26 | 0:07:29 | |
and a food bank for the poor. | 0:07:29 | 0:07:31 | |
That's roughly what we're looking to do. It's a lot cheaper than | 0:07:33 | 0:07:37 | |
the old brick construction. | 0:07:37 | 0:07:38 | |
And then this blue building will be a sports centre. | 0:07:38 | 0:07:42 | |
But the site has been designated for industry, | 0:07:42 | 0:07:45 | |
and the planners have to authorise a change of use | 0:07:45 | 0:07:48 | |
before the pastor can start building. | 0:07:48 | 0:07:52 | |
I'm not in control, planners are not in control. God is in control. | 0:07:52 | 0:07:56 | |
The church will be built. | 0:07:56 | 0:07:58 | |
But one objector thinks the area | 0:08:02 | 0:08:04 | |
should continue to be devoted exclusively to business. | 0:08:04 | 0:08:07 | |
Follow me to my world. | 0:08:09 | 0:08:11 | |
Hang on, I'll look cool. | 0:08:12 | 0:08:15 | |
No, I'll be serious. | 0:08:15 | 0:08:16 | |
Property tycoon Dougie Parry | 0:08:16 | 0:08:18 | |
owns the industrial unit next to the proposed church | 0:08:18 | 0:08:22 | |
and he's been renting it out to this steelworks | 0:08:22 | 0:08:24 | |
for the past eight years. | 0:08:24 | 0:08:26 | |
Car parts go into here... | 0:08:27 | 0:08:29 | |
I don't really know what they do. Hold the phone a second. | 0:08:32 | 0:08:34 | |
Gavin, what are they for? They're car parts...? | 0:08:35 | 0:08:39 | |
Yeah. | 0:08:39 | 0:08:41 | |
Yes, and what do they do? I mean, what are they for? | 0:08:41 | 0:08:44 | |
-You should know by now, Doug! -BLEEP -help me! | 0:08:44 | 0:08:47 | |
Products from this factory | 0:08:48 | 0:08:50 | |
are used to transport car parts all over the world. | 0:08:50 | 0:08:52 | |
The company has ambitions to expand. | 0:08:54 | 0:08:57 | |
Dougie tried to buy the industrial plot next door, | 0:08:57 | 0:09:00 | |
but was pipped to the post by Pastor Bettany. | 0:09:00 | 0:09:03 | |
We are a manufacturing country. | 0:09:03 | 0:09:05 | |
We've lost an awful lot of manufacturing, | 0:09:05 | 0:09:07 | |
but we need manufacturing in this country more than anything else. | 0:09:07 | 0:09:11 | |
In the last five years, £29 million of regeneration money | 0:09:16 | 0:09:21 | |
has been ploughed into Rhyl. | 0:09:21 | 0:09:23 | |
Planner Paul Mead is in charge of this application. | 0:09:23 | 0:09:27 | |
It's had a few kicks over the years, has Rhyl. | 0:09:27 | 0:09:30 | |
And it continues to struggle | 0:09:30 | 0:09:33 | |
with social and economic problems. | 0:09:33 | 0:09:35 | |
The deprivation that you see, | 0:09:37 | 0:09:40 | |
it's really quite saddening to see what Rhyl has become. | 0:09:40 | 0:09:44 | |
It's got to reinvent itself. | 0:09:44 | 0:09:47 | |
The pastor's application poses a real dilemma for Paul. | 0:09:47 | 0:09:51 | |
MOBILE RINGS Hello? | 0:09:51 | 0:09:54 | |
He has to balance the church's charitable work | 0:09:54 | 0:09:56 | |
with the potential for employment. | 0:09:56 | 0:09:59 | |
This site used to give work to 150 people. | 0:09:59 | 0:10:02 | |
In terms of the employment, then, | 0:10:02 | 0:10:04 | |
cos you've mentioned that you would be employing people here, | 0:10:04 | 0:10:08 | |
what roles would they be undertaking at the site? | 0:10:08 | 0:10:11 | |
-Number one - I'm employed. -OK. | 0:10:11 | 0:10:14 | |
Number two - there will need to be an overall site manager. | 0:10:14 | 0:10:18 | |
The coffee bar will need two full-time | 0:10:18 | 0:10:21 | |
-with the possibility of maybe two part-time staff. -Mm. | 0:10:21 | 0:10:25 | |
But also, because we are a church, | 0:10:25 | 0:10:29 | |
we don't want to run a successful business. We want to run a ministry. | 0:10:29 | 0:10:34 | |
Oh, OK, well... It's got a lot of things that are ticking boxes, | 0:10:34 | 0:10:39 | |
you know, in terms of what community cohesion is about, | 0:10:39 | 0:10:42 | |
the community involvement, bringing people together | 0:10:42 | 0:10:45 | |
and the benefits that you are bringing to Rhyl are quite clear... | 0:10:45 | 0:10:50 | |
Pastor Bettany has such strong belief in his vision | 0:10:51 | 0:10:54 | |
that he spent £180,000 of church funds on buying the site. | 0:10:54 | 0:10:59 | |
He now hopes planner Paul will see the light | 0:10:59 | 0:11:02 | |
and recommend approval for this application. | 0:11:02 | 0:11:05 | |
THEY SING UPBEAT SONG | 0:11:05 | 0:11:09 | |
We pray, Lord, I ask your blessing upon everyone throughout this coming week. | 0:11:09 | 0:11:13 | |
Those who are faced with difficult decisions, | 0:11:13 | 0:11:16 | |
I pray that you will give them great wisdom to make the right decisions. | 0:11:16 | 0:11:20 | |
In Jesus' name, amen. | 0:11:20 | 0:11:23 | |
With nearly 2.5 million unemployed across the UK, | 0:11:28 | 0:11:32 | |
record numbers of people are creating their own businesses. | 0:11:32 | 0:11:35 | |
In Broxbourne, Bee Hopkins runs a successful dog-walking business, | 0:11:37 | 0:11:42 | |
but her plans to expand it are messing up neighbourly relations. | 0:11:42 | 0:11:46 | |
Good girls! | 0:11:46 | 0:11:48 | |
Makes you feel a bit lighter now! | 0:11:48 | 0:11:50 | |
Bee wants to join the 80,000 UK businesses run from garden sheds, | 0:11:53 | 0:11:57 | |
which last year contributed £6.1 billion to the economy. | 0:11:57 | 0:12:02 | |
In 2012, she built kennels in her garden | 0:12:03 | 0:12:06 | |
and asked for permission from the planners to keep dogs. | 0:12:06 | 0:12:09 | |
But they refused. | 0:12:09 | 0:12:11 | |
I lost on the potential for noise | 0:12:11 | 0:12:15 | |
to the surrounding neighbours. | 0:12:15 | 0:12:17 | |
So I'm resubmitting my application, | 0:12:17 | 0:12:21 | |
this time for cats to be boarded only. | 0:12:21 | 0:12:25 | |
I've converted the one dog kennel now into a cat chalet. | 0:12:25 | 0:12:30 | |
So I have a cat pen, a cat chalet, | 0:12:30 | 0:12:32 | |
and I have hutches for guinea pigs and rabbits. | 0:12:32 | 0:12:36 | |
Bee hopes with quieter guests, | 0:12:37 | 0:12:39 | |
the council will now grant her permission. | 0:12:39 | 0:12:41 | |
Planning assistant Rob Webster is handling this application. | 0:12:44 | 0:12:47 | |
I'm not an animal person, | 0:12:51 | 0:12:53 | |
so I'm not sure I've ever seen a cat hotel before, | 0:12:53 | 0:12:56 | |
so, eye-opening stuff. | 0:12:56 | 0:12:58 | |
Bee is proposing to accommodate a maximum of nine furry animals | 0:12:59 | 0:13:03 | |
in her luxury sheds, charging £8.50 per day. | 0:13:03 | 0:13:07 | |
-Come on into the pet pen! -Thank you very much. | 0:13:07 | 0:13:11 | |
This is the indoor bay area. | 0:13:11 | 0:13:13 | |
I've got the tower, I've got a catnip chase. | 0:13:13 | 0:13:17 | |
They will also have other things to play with, like balls, | 0:13:17 | 0:13:22 | |
squeaky mice, that kind of thing, in here. | 0:13:22 | 0:13:24 | |
It's not often as a planner you need to get inside the head of a cat, | 0:13:24 | 0:13:27 | |
but I think it's better than I get at home, this! | 0:13:27 | 0:13:31 | |
Next-door neighbour Larry Shannon is less impressed. | 0:13:35 | 0:13:38 | |
The garden shed is a summertime retreat for this former detective. | 0:13:40 | 0:13:44 | |
But Larry had to come out of retirement recently | 0:13:45 | 0:13:47 | |
to sniff out a bedroom intruder. | 0:13:47 | 0:13:50 | |
I woke up on a Monday morning, | 0:13:51 | 0:13:54 | |
and there was the biggest load of muck and wee | 0:13:54 | 0:13:58 | |
on the bed you'd ever seen. | 0:13:58 | 0:14:00 | |
I could hear "tinkle-tinkle" and I see this cat, creeping... | 0:14:00 | 0:14:05 | |
This feline break-in has put Larry off pussies for good, | 0:14:07 | 0:14:11 | |
and he's now objecting to Bee's planning application. | 0:14:11 | 0:14:14 | |
I'm against the cattery and rabbits and whatnot else | 0:14:15 | 0:14:19 | |
because of the cats around here, there's too many cats. | 0:14:19 | 0:14:21 | |
There's cats, there's everything around here, but she don't care. | 0:14:21 | 0:14:24 | |
ROARING | 0:14:24 | 0:14:26 | |
And Larry isn't alone. | 0:14:26 | 0:14:29 | |
76-year-old widow Doreen Sims | 0:14:29 | 0:14:31 | |
has lived in the house next door for 42 years. | 0:14:31 | 0:14:34 | |
I'm a Sinatra fan | 0:14:35 | 0:14:37 | |
and I sometimes join in. | 0:14:37 | 0:14:40 | |
SHE CHUCKLES | 0:14:40 | 0:14:42 | |
And if the bones are not aching too much, | 0:14:42 | 0:14:44 | |
I might get up and have a little dance. | 0:14:44 | 0:14:47 | |
# Come fly with me Let's fly, let's fly away. # | 0:14:47 | 0:14:51 | |
It's... What is it now? I've forgotten the words! | 0:14:53 | 0:14:57 | |
Like Larry, Doreen is worried that Bee's furry guests | 0:14:58 | 0:15:02 | |
will be allowed to roam free. | 0:15:02 | 0:15:04 | |
I've got visions of them hopping over that fence | 0:15:05 | 0:15:07 | |
and I'm going to get quite a few visitors, I think. | 0:15:07 | 0:15:11 | |
And I don't want that. | 0:15:11 | 0:15:12 | |
-If you want to have a look... -I'll poke my nose over the top... | 0:15:14 | 0:15:17 | |
Having assessed the site, planner Rob has to decide | 0:15:17 | 0:15:20 | |
which side of the fence he wants to come down on. | 0:15:20 | 0:15:23 | |
-Ooh, careful! -I hope that wasn't too important! | 0:15:23 | 0:15:26 | |
He has to choose between recommending approval for Bee's new business, | 0:15:26 | 0:15:30 | |
or listening to the neighbours' concerns and refuse it. | 0:15:30 | 0:15:33 | |
Okey-dokey, I'll mind my step before I try and continue. | 0:15:33 | 0:15:37 | |
-All right. -See you again. -Thank you. -All right. Bye. -Bye. | 0:15:37 | 0:15:41 | |
This is so small fry. I don't understand why it's such a problem. | 0:15:41 | 0:15:46 | |
I could have this amount of pets of my own. | 0:15:46 | 0:15:48 | |
Bee's business dreams are on the line once again. | 0:15:50 | 0:15:53 | |
To not win this time would be potentially devastating. | 0:15:55 | 0:16:00 | |
Just two miles away, in the green belt of London, | 0:16:07 | 0:16:10 | |
the future of Steve Gumble's home depends on the outcome | 0:16:10 | 0:16:13 | |
of his retrospective planning application. | 0:16:13 | 0:16:16 | |
This whole planning thing has probably cost me 25 grand so far. | 0:16:16 | 0:16:20 | |
To me, that's a lot of money, | 0:16:20 | 0:16:22 | |
that's a lot of charcoal I've got to make to make that money back. | 0:16:22 | 0:16:26 | |
But there's no point in getting angry | 0:16:26 | 0:16:28 | |
and labelling all planning officers as complete what-and-evers, | 0:16:28 | 0:16:31 | |
because I'm sure that there is one or two out there with a conscience. | 0:16:31 | 0:16:35 | |
Planner Andy MacDougall is in charge of this application. | 0:16:38 | 0:16:42 | |
Dwellings within the green belt are looked at very carefully. | 0:16:42 | 0:16:46 | |
And, at the moment, | 0:16:46 | 0:16:49 | |
I'm...on the side of sceptical, | 0:16:49 | 0:16:53 | |
rather than... | 0:16:53 | 0:16:55 | |
..wanting to approve it. | 0:16:57 | 0:16:59 | |
There is a potential issue of highway access. | 0:17:00 | 0:17:04 | |
I certainly wouldn't want it on my conscience | 0:17:04 | 0:17:07 | |
that I recommend something for approval, a year down the line, | 0:17:07 | 0:17:10 | |
a serious accident takes place because of inappropriate access to the site. | 0:17:10 | 0:17:13 | |
Hence why I've gone to the County Council Highway Officer for an opinion. | 0:17:13 | 0:17:18 | |
When we look at developments, one of the key things is to make sure that | 0:17:20 | 0:17:25 | |
it encourages walking and cycling and public transport and so on. | 0:17:25 | 0:17:29 | |
And then, when I turn up in this car, | 0:17:29 | 0:17:34 | |
a black Audi A3, big engine, yeah, it kind of... | 0:17:34 | 0:17:38 | |
I think it's the impression that I don't always practise what I preach. | 0:17:38 | 0:17:42 | |
So, I try not to do every site visit in this. If I can walk, then I will. | 0:17:42 | 0:17:46 | |
But, er... yeah. | 0:17:46 | 0:17:48 | |
Highways Officer Matt Armstrong has to work out | 0:17:52 | 0:17:55 | |
whether the access is suitable for Steve's domestic and business needs. | 0:17:55 | 0:18:00 | |
Visibility really isn't great in both directions. | 0:18:00 | 0:18:04 | |
Particularly in that direction. | 0:18:04 | 0:18:07 | |
There should be 215 metres' visibility. | 0:18:07 | 0:18:10 | |
Nowhere near that here. | 0:18:11 | 0:18:12 | |
For what is a 60-mile-an-hour road, that's not brilliant. | 0:18:15 | 0:18:19 | |
After carefully considering all the elements, | 0:18:22 | 0:18:25 | |
Matt is ready to give his professional opinion. | 0:18:25 | 0:18:28 | |
I've got to look purely at all of this from a technical aspect. | 0:18:28 | 0:18:32 | |
The level of visibility's not great, | 0:18:32 | 0:18:34 | |
the road surface isn't really what we would like. | 0:18:34 | 0:18:36 | |
Road width perhaps a bit limited as well, but the fact is, | 0:18:36 | 0:18:40 | |
they've had permission for the last six, seven years or so | 0:18:40 | 0:18:43 | |
to use the site, so I can't really turn round now | 0:18:43 | 0:18:46 | |
and say that they can't carry on using this access. | 0:18:46 | 0:18:49 | |
So long as the business keeps at the same level that it has been, | 0:18:50 | 0:18:53 | |
there's not a great deal I can really object on. | 0:18:53 | 0:18:56 | |
Steve's application has the backing of the Highway Agency - | 0:18:59 | 0:19:02 | |
but for planner Andy, work isn't finished yet. | 0:19:02 | 0:19:06 | |
Before he makes a recommendation, he has to look for any precedent. | 0:19:06 | 0:19:10 | |
There is a lot of case law and applications out there which would go against him. | 0:19:10 | 0:19:17 | |
So, I've got to take it all in the round, | 0:19:17 | 0:19:22 | |
assess all his information, um... | 0:19:22 | 0:19:25 | |
and give him a fair chance. | 0:19:25 | 0:19:29 | |
In Rhyl, Pastor Mike Bettany | 0:19:34 | 0:19:37 | |
has been looking for a place for his new church for two years. | 0:19:37 | 0:19:40 | |
He considered an ex-nightclub, an abattoir | 0:19:40 | 0:19:43 | |
and a frozen meat factory, | 0:19:43 | 0:19:45 | |
but in the end, he asked his parishioners to dig deep | 0:19:45 | 0:19:48 | |
to buy this derelict industrial plot. | 0:19:48 | 0:19:51 | |
Today, he'll find out if the planners | 0:19:51 | 0:19:54 | |
have recommended approval or refusal for the construction of his church. | 0:19:54 | 0:19:58 | |
I was talking to a pastor from Egypt, | 0:19:58 | 0:20:02 | |
and this Egyptian pastor said, "We're praying for you." | 0:20:02 | 0:20:06 | |
In the centre of Egypt, where Christians killed, | 0:20:06 | 0:20:11 | |
their buildings have been burnt down, they're praying for us. | 0:20:11 | 0:20:15 | |
It's like, "What do we need?" | 0:20:15 | 0:20:18 | |
Apart from planning permission, what do we need? | 0:20:18 | 0:20:21 | |
Hallelujah, hallelujah. | 0:20:21 | 0:20:24 | |
Objector Dougie Parry is praying the pastor's plans are refused | 0:20:26 | 0:20:31 | |
and wastes no time in calling the planner. | 0:20:31 | 0:20:33 | |
Hello, Paul. Can you tell me what the decision is or how we've got on? | 0:20:35 | 0:20:40 | |
It's bad news for Pastor Bettany and his Pentecostal community, | 0:20:42 | 0:20:46 | |
as the planners couldn't support | 0:20:46 | 0:20:47 | |
putting a church on an industrial site. | 0:20:47 | 0:20:50 | |
Thank you, bye-bye. Bye-bye. | 0:20:50 | 0:20:53 | |
That's certainly good news. | 0:20:54 | 0:20:56 | |
I was brought up in Rhyl when Rhyl was a very busy, thriving place. | 0:20:56 | 0:21:00 | |
And it's deteriorated so much | 0:21:00 | 0:21:03 | |
that I think this is a positive move for the area | 0:21:03 | 0:21:06 | |
and I hope it may give other people initiatives to spring off from this. | 0:21:06 | 0:21:12 | |
It's got to start somewhere. | 0:21:12 | 0:21:15 | |
The recommendation to refuse the application has been sent out | 0:21:15 | 0:21:19 | |
to the planning committee members by planner Paul Mead. | 0:21:19 | 0:21:21 | |
We need to protect what employment land | 0:21:21 | 0:21:24 | |
we have got in Rhyl, which is quite scarce. | 0:21:24 | 0:21:27 | |
I know the Reverend has mentioned that he will employ a few people | 0:21:27 | 0:21:30 | |
within this church complex, but, unfortunately, | 0:21:30 | 0:21:34 | |
we were probably hoping that he was probably going to be able to employ | 0:21:34 | 0:21:38 | |
a lot more people than he is doing on that particular site | 0:21:38 | 0:21:41 | |
and that's what the site's allocated for. | 0:21:41 | 0:21:44 | |
But it's the elected members | 0:21:44 | 0:21:46 | |
of the planning committee who have the final word. | 0:21:46 | 0:21:48 | |
Former seamstress Pat Jones | 0:21:48 | 0:21:51 | |
and corner-shop owner Margaret McCarroll | 0:21:51 | 0:21:53 | |
are two of the longest-serving councillors. | 0:21:53 | 0:21:56 | |
I've been on the town 17, 18 years | 0:21:57 | 0:22:00 | |
and then went to be a county councillor. | 0:22:00 | 0:22:04 | |
Together with town councillors like Ellie, | 0:22:04 | 0:22:07 | |
Pat and Margaret work to regenerate one of the most deprived areas in the country. | 0:22:07 | 0:22:11 | |
Gorgeous! Absolutely gorgeous! | 0:22:11 | 0:22:14 | |
So many little hidden gems like here. | 0:22:14 | 0:22:17 | |
I remember when my children were little, Craig fell in this pond. | 0:22:17 | 0:22:20 | |
-Oh, did he? -Come to Rhyl, it's brill! | 0:22:20 | 0:22:23 | |
THEY LAUGH | 0:22:23 | 0:22:25 | |
Deciding on this application won't be a walk in the park. | 0:22:25 | 0:22:28 | |
Ahead of the planning committee meeting, they have to make a site visit. | 0:22:28 | 0:22:32 | |
-We shall make an official... -Two minutes. -Two minutes to go? | 0:22:34 | 0:22:37 | |
Oh, OK. We've got to be precise. We've got to... | 0:22:37 | 0:22:40 | |
Shall we have a sing-song, or...? | 0:22:40 | 0:22:42 | |
The site visit is due to start at 10am. | 0:22:43 | 0:22:47 | |
So they must wait to allow time for any of the other 30 members to arrive. | 0:22:47 | 0:22:52 | |
I think we're getting close to ten o'clock, ladies, aren't we? | 0:22:52 | 0:22:55 | |
Shall we beckon the chair and vice-chair back | 0:22:55 | 0:22:58 | |
from their in-depth conversation, look? | 0:22:58 | 0:23:00 | |
They're not talking about planning at all there, are they? | 0:23:00 | 0:23:03 | |
They're talking about barbecues, et cetera. | 0:23:03 | 0:23:06 | |
Well, we'll make a start. The site, within our development plan, | 0:23:06 | 0:23:10 | |
is allocated for employment purposes. | 0:23:10 | 0:23:13 | |
The inspector has basically said this site needs to be | 0:23:13 | 0:23:17 | |
retained for employment purposes. | 0:23:17 | 0:23:18 | |
We've only got 1.8 hectares of employment land in Rhyl | 0:23:18 | 0:23:22 | |
and if this does go, it's gone then, | 0:23:22 | 0:23:25 | |
and then where do we find the other required lands? | 0:23:25 | 0:23:27 | |
-You want something like this for your ward? -Yes. | 0:23:27 | 0:23:31 | |
You're also thinking about what, historically, this area's been. | 0:23:31 | 0:23:37 | |
We'll see you again on Wednesday, OK? Thanks very much indeed. Bye. | 0:23:37 | 0:23:42 | |
I don't know the Reverend, but what a wonderful project! | 0:23:42 | 0:23:46 | |
What would this do for our community? | 0:23:46 | 0:23:49 | |
Choosing between economic or spiritual healing | 0:23:49 | 0:23:53 | |
is proving a real dilemma. | 0:23:53 | 0:23:56 | |
Some things are difficult... | 0:23:56 | 0:23:58 | |
..and some things are quite simple. | 0:23:59 | 0:24:03 | |
But the difficult ones are really difficult, aren't they? | 0:24:03 | 0:24:09 | |
The Forestry Commission looks after 3% of Britain's land. | 0:24:16 | 0:24:21 | |
Facing severe cuts in public funding and falling timber sales, | 0:24:24 | 0:24:28 | |
it has recently come up with a new money-making plan. | 0:24:28 | 0:24:31 | |
The Forestry Commission has teamed up with a private company, | 0:24:33 | 0:24:36 | |
Forest Holidays, to build holiday villages | 0:24:36 | 0:24:39 | |
inside Britain's publicly owned forests. | 0:24:39 | 0:24:42 | |
Offering beauty treatments and outdoor hot tubs. | 0:24:43 | 0:24:47 | |
Their next target is Delamere Forest in Cheshire. | 0:24:48 | 0:24:52 | |
This 2,400-acre forest currently loses £140,000 a year. | 0:24:54 | 0:25:01 | |
For Head of Recreation David Williamson, | 0:25:01 | 0:25:03 | |
not to build a holiday village here is a luxury he can't afford. | 0:25:03 | 0:25:08 | |
Providing public access in forests is a costly business. | 0:25:09 | 0:25:12 | |
Working with our colleagues in Forest Holidays, | 0:25:12 | 0:25:15 | |
we're able to bring an income stream | 0:25:15 | 0:25:17 | |
to help support the forest in the long term. | 0:25:17 | 0:25:20 | |
The proposal is to build 78 log cabins | 0:25:21 | 0:25:25 | |
that can accommodate 350 tourists. | 0:25:25 | 0:25:28 | |
Planner Adrian Crowther is in charge of this planning application. | 0:25:28 | 0:25:32 | |
There's going to be a whole series of lodges on both sides | 0:25:34 | 0:25:37 | |
of this forest ride, or track, if you like. | 0:25:37 | 0:25:41 | |
This is where the main visitor facilities are. | 0:25:41 | 0:25:44 | |
So, you can see they cover quite a significant area. | 0:25:44 | 0:25:47 | |
But before the Forestry Commission can branch out, | 0:25:47 | 0:25:51 | |
their plans have to convince Adrian | 0:25:51 | 0:25:53 | |
to recommend approval for the scheme. | 0:25:53 | 0:25:56 | |
There's the economic aspects of it. | 0:25:56 | 0:25:59 | |
What does this bring to the area, to Cheshire West? | 0:25:59 | 0:26:03 | |
What are the arguments for the Forestry Commission | 0:26:03 | 0:26:06 | |
in terms of the long-term viability of the forest and the sustainability of it? | 0:26:06 | 0:26:10 | |
And on the other avenue, they have to demonstrate to us | 0:26:10 | 0:26:13 | |
that the harm is not going to be significant. | 0:26:13 | 0:26:15 | |
200 local objectors have made it their mission | 0:26:16 | 0:26:20 | |
to show Adrian just how harmful this development will be. | 0:26:20 | 0:26:23 | |
The human body needs a little bit of peace and quiet now and again, | 0:26:25 | 0:26:29 | |
away from everyday society. | 0:26:29 | 0:26:32 | |
And there's no better place to come for it than Delamere Forest. | 0:26:32 | 0:26:35 | |
I'm adding years to my life, walking in here. | 0:26:35 | 0:26:38 | |
I think I'm taking them off fighting this campaign! | 0:26:38 | 0:26:40 | |
Chief protester Nigel Gilding lives at the edge of Delamere Forest. | 0:26:41 | 0:26:46 | |
He owns an industrial carpet business, | 0:26:46 | 0:26:48 | |
and wants to pull the rug from under this development. | 0:26:48 | 0:26:52 | |
Now, these aren't small cabins. | 0:26:53 | 0:26:54 | |
These things are 50 feet long and 29 feet wide. | 0:26:54 | 0:26:58 | |
And everywhere you turn in 47 acres, | 0:26:58 | 0:27:02 | |
you will see a lodge or a car. | 0:27:02 | 0:27:04 | |
You don't see that at the moment. | 0:27:04 | 0:27:06 | |
Well, obviously, you don't see it, you can SEE you don't see it. | 0:27:06 | 0:27:09 | |
Imagine a hardcore path there, | 0:27:09 | 0:27:12 | |
with three cars parked outside it | 0:27:12 | 0:27:15 | |
and a nice, posh, four-bedroomed, double-glazed lodge. Cracking(!) | 0:27:15 | 0:27:21 | |
That's what you call the countryside(!) | 0:27:21 | 0:27:24 | |
Beggars belief! | 0:27:24 | 0:27:26 | |
Although I'm told that my rights of way won't be affected, | 0:27:26 | 0:27:28 | |
so I might come and look at Jacuzzi Susie with her top off and say, | 0:27:28 | 0:27:33 | |
"I've got a perfect right to be stood here looking at you, love!" | 0:27:33 | 0:27:36 | |
With 12 weeks to go before the planner's recommendation is due, | 0:27:38 | 0:27:42 | |
Nigel's mobilised the great and the good | 0:27:42 | 0:27:44 | |
in this affluent corner of Cheshire. | 0:27:44 | 0:27:46 | |
How many have we got here? Couple of hundred? I would say so. | 0:27:48 | 0:27:52 | |
I'm the Member of Parliament for this part of Delamere | 0:27:52 | 0:27:56 | |
and I'm here to advise, I was on a planning committee | 0:27:56 | 0:27:58 | |
when I was a councillor for ten years so that's my commitment to you. | 0:27:58 | 0:28:02 | |
I encourage you to sign the petition. | 0:28:02 | 0:28:03 | |
I have here the traffic management plan that doesn't mention cars! | 0:28:03 | 0:28:09 | |
Nigel's well-informed objectors are determined to do | 0:28:10 | 0:28:13 | |
whatever it takes to keep the forest just the way it is. | 0:28:13 | 0:28:17 | |
No-one here is a NIMBY. You just care about the forest. | 0:28:17 | 0:28:20 | |
APPLAUSE | 0:28:20 | 0:28:22 | |
We've got people who know what they're talking about. | 0:28:22 | 0:28:25 | |
So, without any shadow of a doubt, this will get refused. | 0:28:25 | 0:28:27 | |
I don't doubt that for a moment. | 0:28:27 | 0:28:30 | |
I live just up there... | 0:28:30 | 0:28:31 | |
I'm a busy man. I've got kids, I've not played with me lad for a week, two weeks sorting this out. | 0:28:31 | 0:28:36 | |
Get in at night and all I do is read documentation. | 0:28:36 | 0:28:38 | |
If I thought I was wasting my time, I'd not be doing it, I'd just let it happen. | 0:28:38 | 0:28:41 | |
In Broxbourne, Hertfordshire, | 0:28:47 | 0:28:49 | |
planner Rob Webster is about to make a recommendation on plans to turn | 0:28:49 | 0:28:53 | |
a back garden into a luxury hotel for cats, rabbits and guinea pigs. | 0:28:53 | 0:28:58 | |
Bee Hopkins submitted an application for dog kennels in the past, | 0:28:58 | 0:29:02 | |
but had it turned down. | 0:29:02 | 0:29:03 | |
The dogs have been taken out | 0:29:03 | 0:29:05 | |
from the previous application, | 0:29:05 | 0:29:07 | |
that was really the issue we had there. | 0:29:07 | 0:29:10 | |
So, without any dogs, there's no noise issue, | 0:29:10 | 0:29:13 | |
or not much of a noise issue as far as we're concerned. | 0:29:13 | 0:29:16 | |
So, we are, yeah, quite happy to recommend approval. | 0:29:16 | 0:29:19 | |
But the planners recommended approval for her last application | 0:29:21 | 0:29:25 | |
only for it to be turned down by the council's planning committee. | 0:29:25 | 0:29:29 | |
And the final word is once again | 0:29:31 | 0:29:33 | |
down to these 13 elected councillors. | 0:29:33 | 0:29:36 | |
They include a London taxi driver, | 0:29:41 | 0:29:43 | |
an ex-market-stall holder | 0:29:43 | 0:29:45 | |
and a cleaning-company owner. | 0:29:45 | 0:29:47 | |
The council has refused the application | 0:29:47 | 0:29:50 | |
against our recommendation before. | 0:29:50 | 0:29:52 | |
They could very well do it again. | 0:29:52 | 0:29:53 | |
They will clearly need some convincing. | 0:29:53 | 0:29:55 | |
So I'm just preparing some glasses and some water | 0:29:55 | 0:30:00 | |
for the committee members because it's such a hot day. | 0:30:00 | 0:30:03 | |
It's so hot, I feel really uncomfortable. | 0:30:03 | 0:30:07 | |
Very sticky. I've tried to dress as comfortable as possible. | 0:30:07 | 0:30:11 | |
But I draw the line at leaving my shorts on. | 0:30:11 | 0:30:14 | |
I'm not sure that I've got enough the same size. | 0:30:16 | 0:30:20 | |
This is identical. | 0:30:20 | 0:30:21 | |
Some of the guys might want the bigger glasses, | 0:30:21 | 0:30:24 | |
and the ladies, the smaller ones. | 0:30:24 | 0:30:26 | |
That would make sense, wouldn't it? | 0:30:26 | 0:30:28 | |
-There's water and fruit here. -That's very kind. | 0:30:29 | 0:30:32 | |
So please help yourself. | 0:30:32 | 0:30:34 | |
-Sorry, they can't really accept too much, so... -Right. | 0:30:34 | 0:30:38 | |
..that's very nice of you. | 0:30:38 | 0:30:39 | |
But as it's not planning protocol | 0:30:39 | 0:30:42 | |
to accept hospitality on site visits, | 0:30:42 | 0:30:44 | |
Bee's spread goes untouched. | 0:30:44 | 0:30:47 | |
We refused planning permission... | 0:30:47 | 0:30:50 | |
-..for this being here. -Mm-hm. -And yet it's still here. | 0:30:51 | 0:30:54 | |
-Why isn't it knocked down? -It's the use that you refused, not the structures. | 0:30:54 | 0:30:58 | |
The recommendation for approval comes from the fact of, | 0:30:58 | 0:31:01 | |
you know, that it is of a small scale. | 0:31:01 | 0:31:03 | |
I totally understand neighbours' concerns about noise, | 0:31:03 | 0:31:07 | |
but if we think that's eradicated... | 0:31:07 | 0:31:09 | |
-The smell is one of the things... -And smell, yeah. | 0:31:09 | 0:31:11 | |
I think it's well constructed, it's well thought-out. | 0:31:11 | 0:31:15 | |
Whether this is the right place for it, I'm not sure. | 0:31:15 | 0:31:18 | |
Whether the committee would agree with that. | 0:31:18 | 0:31:20 | |
I have visited this site once before. It was geared up for dogs. | 0:31:20 | 0:31:24 | |
I've still got grave concerns. | 0:31:25 | 0:31:28 | |
-Back on the bus? -Back on the bus. | 0:31:28 | 0:31:30 | |
Do you want to take the water with you? That's the best thing to do. | 0:31:30 | 0:31:33 | |
-Go on, I'll pass it round. -Take it. Take both. | 0:31:33 | 0:31:36 | |
-Thank you. -I've got more indoors. You're welcome. | 0:31:36 | 0:31:38 | |
-OK. -Cheers. -All right. | 0:31:38 | 0:31:40 | |
In three days the councillors will pass their verdict. | 0:31:41 | 0:31:45 | |
In Rhyl, North Wales, it's planning committee day. | 0:31:50 | 0:31:54 | |
The proposal to build a church on this industrial plot | 0:31:54 | 0:31:57 | |
will finally be ruled on. | 0:31:57 | 0:31:59 | |
This is a very reliable machine, this. | 0:31:59 | 0:32:02 | |
You must've had some strange things in the back of that Rascal, though. | 0:32:02 | 0:32:05 | |
Yes, yeah. Including my partner! | 0:32:05 | 0:32:07 | |
THEY LAUGH | 0:32:07 | 0:32:10 | |
As an objector, Dougie Parry is entitled to argue his case | 0:32:10 | 0:32:13 | |
during the committee meeting, | 0:32:13 | 0:32:15 | |
but has decided to employ a consultant instead. | 0:32:15 | 0:32:18 | |
Will you speak for three minutes at planning committee, Doug? | 0:32:18 | 0:32:21 | |
-No, I shan't be. -Really?! | 0:32:21 | 0:32:22 | |
I thought that would've been perfect for you, to come up on stage... | 0:32:22 | 0:32:26 | |
No, no. That's what I pay my planning... | 0:32:26 | 0:32:28 | |
-You're going to get Mr Lloyd to do that for you? -Yes. -OK. | 0:32:28 | 0:32:31 | |
He charges £47 an hour, just to let you know. | 0:32:31 | 0:32:35 | |
-Heavens! -Yes. -Well worth it, I'm sure. | 0:32:35 | 0:32:38 | |
Yes! | 0:32:38 | 0:32:40 | |
Dougie may be throwing money at today's planning committee, | 0:32:42 | 0:32:46 | |
but the pastor is ready to throw the book at it. | 0:32:46 | 0:32:48 | |
Just reading a verse this morning in Psalms, | 0:32:50 | 0:32:54 | |
which - it says, "But as for me, I trust in You, oh Lord, | 0:32:54 | 0:32:58 | |
"I say, 'You are my God,' my times are in your hands." | 0:32:58 | 0:33:02 | |
And on top of that, I think it's BSC 12, | 0:33:02 | 0:33:05 | |
the document in their accepted planning policy. | 0:33:05 | 0:33:08 | |
We tick every single box. | 0:33:08 | 0:33:09 | |
However, planner Paul Mead | 0:33:11 | 0:33:13 | |
is recommending refusal for the application. | 0:33:13 | 0:33:17 | |
The case that the reverend's put forward is quite strong | 0:33:17 | 0:33:21 | |
in relation to the social cohesion that might be | 0:33:21 | 0:33:24 | |
brought by his particular use of this site | 0:33:24 | 0:33:26 | |
but, fundamentally, | 0:33:26 | 0:33:28 | |
God hasn't provided a lot of jobs in Rhyl over the last few years, | 0:33:28 | 0:33:32 | |
and I think it's jobs that we really need on this particular site. | 0:33:32 | 0:33:36 | |
Paul may have recommended refusal to the planning committee members, | 0:33:41 | 0:33:45 | |
but when voting time comes they're free to overturn his recommendation | 0:33:45 | 0:33:49 | |
and approve the scheme. | 0:33:49 | 0:33:51 | |
Should the three Welsh-speaking councillors | 0:33:51 | 0:33:53 | |
decide to take part in the debate today | 0:33:53 | 0:33:55 | |
an interpreter and £35,000 worth of equipment | 0:33:55 | 0:34:00 | |
is ready to spring into action. | 0:34:00 | 0:34:02 | |
This has two channels. | 0:34:02 | 0:34:03 | |
That's too difficult for most punters. | 0:34:03 | 0:34:06 | |
Right? It's a lot, lot easier than learning Welsh. | 0:34:06 | 0:34:09 | |
I think that the batteries are charged, I think it'll all work. | 0:34:11 | 0:34:15 | |
-Turn it round. -Turn it round. | 0:34:15 | 0:34:18 | |
FEEDBACK | 0:34:18 | 0:34:19 | |
All members working? Please could you show. | 0:34:22 | 0:34:26 | |
First to speak is Dougie's planning consultant. | 0:34:26 | 0:34:29 | |
-Thank you, chair. -You can have three minutes, thank you. | 0:34:29 | 0:34:32 | |
First and foremost he's asked me to fully endorse the officer's report | 0:34:32 | 0:34:36 | |
to provide and protect a range of employment sites | 0:34:36 | 0:34:39 | |
across the county and within Rhyl. | 0:34:39 | 0:34:41 | |
So, we request you refuse planning permission. | 0:34:41 | 0:34:45 | |
Pastor Bettany now has a chance to convert the councillors. | 0:34:45 | 0:34:48 | |
We've been looking for new premises for almost four years | 0:34:49 | 0:34:53 | |
because we've outgrown the building we're in. | 0:34:53 | 0:34:56 | |
We want to employ children's workers and leaders. | 0:34:56 | 0:34:59 | |
We want to develop our youth ministry and take on full-time staff. | 0:34:59 | 0:35:04 | |
The day centre for the elderly will require staff. | 0:35:04 | 0:35:06 | |
The children's suite for parents and toddlers, preschool playgroup, | 0:35:06 | 0:35:09 | |
it requires staff. | 0:35:09 | 0:35:12 | |
The pastor hopes that his intention to create jobs | 0:35:12 | 0:35:15 | |
will make up for the loss of an industrial site. | 0:35:15 | 0:35:18 | |
Before the vote, councillors Pat Jones and Margaret McCarroll | 0:35:18 | 0:35:22 | |
have requested to speak. | 0:35:22 | 0:35:24 | |
During their 18 years of friendship | 0:35:24 | 0:35:26 | |
they always discussed difficult decisions and voted the same way. | 0:35:26 | 0:35:30 | |
The present day needs of our community, I'm sorry to say, | 0:35:30 | 0:35:34 | |
are actually more demanding than ever, | 0:35:34 | 0:35:37 | |
so the services for this church will be ever more in demand, | 0:35:37 | 0:35:40 | |
so for those reasons I support the application | 0:35:40 | 0:35:45 | |
against the wishes of the officers. Thank you for your time. | 0:35:45 | 0:35:48 | |
Me and Margaret never disagree on something. | 0:35:49 | 0:35:54 | |
But we so need jobs for our young people. | 0:35:54 | 0:35:58 | |
So, reluctantly, | 0:35:58 | 0:35:59 | |
on this particular site, | 0:35:59 | 0:36:01 | |
I'm going to go with the officer's recommendation for refusal. | 0:36:01 | 0:36:05 | |
The proposed church aims to promote social cohesion, | 0:36:10 | 0:36:13 | |
but has already broken up a formidable political alliance. | 0:36:13 | 0:36:17 | |
OK, thank you, chair, we're going to go to the vote now. | 0:36:17 | 0:36:20 | |
It's going to be "plus" to grant, and it will be "minus" to refuse. | 0:36:20 | 0:36:24 | |
All vote now, please. | 0:36:24 | 0:36:27 | |
In most councils the vote happens with a show of hands, | 0:36:27 | 0:36:31 | |
but in Denbighshire councillors vote with their fingers. | 0:36:31 | 0:36:34 | |
OK, members, the application is refused. | 0:36:40 | 0:36:43 | |
Five councillors agreed with Margaret, | 0:36:44 | 0:36:47 | |
but overwhelmingly 14 agreed with Pat, | 0:36:47 | 0:36:50 | |
which means that Pastor Bettany will have to keep looking | 0:36:50 | 0:36:53 | |
for the promised plot of land. | 0:36:53 | 0:36:54 | |
It's quite astounding that such an act has just taken place. | 0:36:56 | 0:37:02 | |
It's ludicrous. Absolutely ludicrous. | 0:37:02 | 0:37:05 | |
PAUL: I think members were quite clear in their views | 0:37:05 | 0:37:08 | |
based on the policies that we've got, | 0:37:08 | 0:37:10 | |
and they weren't going to deviate too much from that. | 0:37:10 | 0:37:12 | |
That's always been industrial. And you want jobs for the young people. | 0:37:13 | 0:37:18 | |
There's no jobs. | 0:37:18 | 0:37:19 | |
And he can't guarantee us that it's going to employ 18 people. | 0:37:19 | 0:37:23 | |
He just cannot guarantee that. | 0:37:23 | 0:37:26 | |
For objector Dougie Parry, it's money well spent. | 0:37:27 | 0:37:31 | |
Hi, great news! | 0:37:32 | 0:37:34 | |
I've got no grudge against the guy at all. | 0:37:36 | 0:37:39 | |
Maybe he had a calling to this area, | 0:37:39 | 0:37:41 | |
but obviously this area's not calling to him. | 0:37:41 | 0:37:44 | |
Bless him. | 0:37:44 | 0:37:45 | |
The pastor is now considering selling the plot | 0:37:49 | 0:37:51 | |
and buying this disused hotel to convert into a church. | 0:37:51 | 0:37:55 | |
In Broxbourne, | 0:38:03 | 0:38:05 | |
the decision on Steve Gumble's retrospective planning application | 0:38:05 | 0:38:08 | |
for his house is imminent. | 0:38:08 | 0:38:11 | |
The outcome will determine his future way of life. | 0:38:12 | 0:38:16 | |
If this planning application does fail, | 0:38:16 | 0:38:18 | |
it would mean that I haven't got the security to carry on the business. | 0:38:18 | 0:38:22 | |
I don't want to sign on the dole, I don't want a council house. | 0:38:22 | 0:38:25 | |
There's nothing wrong with them, fine. | 0:38:25 | 0:38:27 | |
This is how I want to be living - in the woods. | 0:38:27 | 0:38:30 | |
Steve's business has been the deciding factor | 0:38:32 | 0:38:35 | |
for planner Andy while coming up with his recommendation. | 0:38:35 | 0:38:39 | |
The creation of a dwelling on such sites is objectionable in principle | 0:38:40 | 0:38:44 | |
but all the information from Mr Gumble | 0:38:44 | 0:38:48 | |
has overcome my initial concerns which I raised. | 0:38:48 | 0:38:51 | |
And now I'm pretty comfortable in recommending an approval. | 0:38:51 | 0:38:57 | |
I think there is the special situation | 0:38:57 | 0:39:02 | |
that he needs to live there 24/7 while charcoal is produced. | 0:39:02 | 0:39:07 | |
But the council's senior planning officers and two councillors | 0:39:07 | 0:39:11 | |
have to be consulted before a final decision is taken. | 0:39:11 | 0:39:14 | |
They will now scrutinise Andy's recommendation | 0:39:17 | 0:39:20 | |
to approve the application. | 0:39:20 | 0:39:23 | |
So he's put forward reasons as to why he believes | 0:39:23 | 0:39:25 | |
he should be allowed to occupy the site. | 0:39:25 | 0:39:28 | |
Now the management of the charcoal-making process - | 0:39:28 | 0:39:31 | |
it's a single kiln, it's got to be kept to the right temperature | 0:39:31 | 0:39:35 | |
and monitored, both for the production of good quality charcoal, | 0:39:35 | 0:39:40 | |
but also for safety. | 0:39:40 | 0:39:42 | |
-Clearly that needs his... -Yes. | 0:39:42 | 0:39:44 | |
-..attention on site throughout that process. -OK. | 0:39:44 | 0:39:48 | |
The next question is, is it a viable business? | 0:39:48 | 0:39:51 | |
-Yeah. -Um, and does it have a future? | 0:39:51 | 0:39:53 | |
Yeah. He has submitted accounts. | 0:39:54 | 0:39:58 | |
In 2009-10, achieved a turnover of £65,000. | 0:39:58 | 0:40:02 | |
This reduced to 57,700 in the years 10-11. | 0:40:02 | 0:40:08 | |
£800 was made from the charcoal business. | 0:40:08 | 0:40:11 | |
I say in my report, the sales fluctuate, | 0:40:11 | 0:40:14 | |
and the majority is coming from the timber frame element | 0:40:14 | 0:40:17 | |
of the business. | 0:40:17 | 0:40:18 | |
The charcoal business is very much a sideline, isn't it? | 0:40:18 | 0:40:21 | |
The primary business is the timber frame... | 0:40:21 | 0:40:24 | |
-Certainly the primary business is timber framing. -..work. | 0:40:24 | 0:40:27 | |
Um... | 0:40:27 | 0:40:28 | |
Well, it's tricky, this, isn't it? | 0:40:28 | 0:40:30 | |
Because we can't have a precedent where we're just allowing | 0:40:30 | 0:40:34 | |
anybody to come in and put up a kiln, | 0:40:34 | 0:40:37 | |
burn that a couple of times | 0:40:37 | 0:40:39 | |
and then claim that as a reason for a house in the countryside. | 0:40:39 | 0:40:42 | |
-So we've got to look at the whole business in the round. -Yeah. | 0:40:42 | 0:40:46 | |
OK. | 0:40:47 | 0:40:48 | |
With the planners and the councillors debating, | 0:40:48 | 0:40:52 | |
Steve is on his way to the council to find out their verdict. | 0:40:52 | 0:40:55 | |
The ideal result today would be full consent | 0:40:56 | 0:41:00 | |
with no silly conditions. | 0:41:00 | 0:41:03 | |
But hopefully this will be the day when it's sorted out. | 0:41:03 | 0:41:07 | |
Behind closed doors, the panel is about to reach a decision. | 0:41:09 | 0:41:13 | |
I think it needs to be made clear to Mr Gumble | 0:41:14 | 0:41:17 | |
that if the business discontinues, the house goes. | 0:41:17 | 0:41:20 | |
-Yes. -If the business becomes unviable, the house goes. -Yes. | 0:41:20 | 0:41:25 | |
If the business changes, and so it's no longer a rural business, | 0:41:25 | 0:41:28 | |
the house goes. | 0:41:28 | 0:41:29 | |
-So, on that basis, everyone OK? -Yeah. | 0:41:29 | 0:41:32 | |
Yeah. | 0:41:32 | 0:41:33 | |
The council has decided to monitor Steve's business, | 0:41:33 | 0:41:37 | |
and will only allow him to live in his cabin for three years. | 0:41:37 | 0:41:40 | |
-Morning, sir. How are you doing? -You all right? -Yeah, good. | 0:41:40 | 0:41:42 | |
When this time is up, he will have to reapply for planning permission. | 0:41:42 | 0:41:47 | |
It's planner Andy's job to break the news. | 0:41:47 | 0:41:50 | |
-So, basically, we had our delegated meeting. -Right. | 0:41:50 | 0:41:54 | |
What we've decided to do is to grant a three year temporary permission. | 0:41:54 | 0:42:01 | |
I know it's not what you were hoping for when you first applied... | 0:42:01 | 0:42:04 | |
No, I've made it clear from the start that I need permanency now, | 0:42:04 | 0:42:07 | |
after eight years, | 0:42:07 | 0:42:09 | |
so obviously I'm going to have to go away and think about it. | 0:42:09 | 0:42:11 | |
-Yeah, thank you very much. -Cheers. Bye-bye. | 0:42:11 | 0:42:13 | |
Heat of the moment, I don't think he was overly happy. | 0:42:16 | 0:42:19 | |
But hopefully he'll go away today and have a think about it | 0:42:19 | 0:42:22 | |
and realise actually it is quite a good result for him. | 0:42:22 | 0:42:25 | |
You don't get houses in the green belt very easily. | 0:42:25 | 0:42:29 | |
I want a permanent position, | 0:42:29 | 0:42:31 | |
and for the council to want to have to control me and my business | 0:42:31 | 0:42:34 | |
is just not tenable. | 0:42:34 | 0:42:36 | |
It's just not good enough. | 0:42:36 | 0:42:37 | |
I've asked for full permission, and after eight years... | 0:42:37 | 0:42:42 | |
legally, morally, you name it, I think I've got a right to be there. | 0:42:42 | 0:42:47 | |
Else I wouldn't have started doing it. | 0:42:47 | 0:42:49 | |
Steve isn't giving up his fight for permanency | 0:42:49 | 0:42:52 | |
and has now appealed against the council's decision. | 0:42:52 | 0:42:55 | |
Morning, Andy. The saga continues, mate, I'm afraid. | 0:42:55 | 0:42:58 | |
I'm going to be 90 by the time this is over. | 0:42:58 | 0:43:01 | |
Back in Cheshire, businessman Nigel Gilding | 0:43:07 | 0:43:10 | |
is campaigning against the proposed construction of a holiday village | 0:43:10 | 0:43:13 | |
with outdoor hot tubs | 0:43:13 | 0:43:15 | |
among the ancient trees of Delamere Forest. | 0:43:15 | 0:43:18 | |
That was at the weekend, that. | 0:43:20 | 0:43:22 | |
There were loads of horse lorries and boxes came in at the weekend. | 0:43:22 | 0:43:25 | |
Won't be quite the same with holiday lodges in it, will it? | 0:43:25 | 0:43:28 | |
The people in the hot tub may be having a fun ride, | 0:43:28 | 0:43:30 | |
have you thought about that? | 0:43:30 | 0:43:32 | |
Nigel's come to the council offices to hand the fruits of his campaign | 0:43:35 | 0:43:39 | |
to the planner in charge of this application. | 0:43:39 | 0:43:42 | |
The petition is there. | 0:43:42 | 0:43:44 | |
Exhaustively collected by volunteers. | 0:43:44 | 0:43:47 | |
It's a pretty big document, really. | 0:43:47 | 0:43:50 | |
Nigel's petition used up a tenth of a tree in paper. | 0:43:50 | 0:43:54 | |
He's hoping that it will convince the planner | 0:43:54 | 0:43:56 | |
to recommend refusal. | 0:43:56 | 0:43:57 | |
I sincerely apologise for being so late, | 0:43:57 | 0:43:59 | |
and I know your time's limited, so I want to just be very quick. | 0:43:59 | 0:44:03 | |
That'll keep me busy, won't it? | 0:44:03 | 0:44:06 | |
Nigel may be proud of his petition, | 0:44:06 | 0:44:08 | |
but size, in planning, isn't everything. | 0:44:08 | 0:44:10 | |
Numbers are an issue, | 0:44:12 | 0:44:13 | |
but what we're bothered about is what the issues are. | 0:44:13 | 0:44:16 | |
We're bothered about what the planning matters are. | 0:44:16 | 0:44:18 | |
Not just numbers of residents. | 0:44:18 | 0:44:20 | |
And in here we've got very few actual comments, unfortunately. | 0:44:20 | 0:44:24 | |
They're just signatures. So... | 0:44:24 | 0:44:26 | |
When Adrian's recommendation comes in, | 0:44:28 | 0:44:32 | |
it's not the highlight of Nigel's day. | 0:44:32 | 0:44:34 | |
The planner has recommended approval. | 0:44:34 | 0:44:37 | |
Yeah. | 0:44:38 | 0:44:39 | |
I've had my orange pen and my pink pen out. | 0:44:39 | 0:44:42 | |
My orange pen highlights certain aspects of it I'd look further into, | 0:44:42 | 0:44:46 | |
and pink ones are ones where I think it's a load of old rubbish. | 0:44:46 | 0:44:50 | |
And as you can see, there's a little bit of pink on every page, really. | 0:44:50 | 0:44:53 | |
A lot of work's gone into raising our objections, | 0:44:53 | 0:44:57 | |
and it's not had much of a bearing, really, on what's what. | 0:44:57 | 0:45:03 | |
So my faith in local democracy has been knocked somewhat. | 0:45:03 | 0:45:06 | |
The planner believes that the holiday village | 0:45:07 | 0:45:10 | |
will generate the income Delamere needs to survive, | 0:45:10 | 0:45:13 | |
and that the development won't spoil the enjoyment of the forest | 0:45:13 | 0:45:16 | |
for the local population. | 0:45:16 | 0:45:18 | |
But the people in charge of making the ultimate decision | 0:45:23 | 0:45:26 | |
are the nine elected members of the strategic planning committee. | 0:45:26 | 0:45:29 | |
Norman, do we have any sweets coming round the bus? | 0:45:31 | 0:45:34 | |
-I haven't brought any sweets today. -Aw. | 0:45:34 | 0:45:37 | |
This special body includes a farmer, a rock salt producer | 0:45:37 | 0:45:42 | |
and a quality manager in an arms company. | 0:45:42 | 0:45:44 | |
It only meets when a planning application | 0:45:44 | 0:45:47 | |
threatens to change the borough dramatically. | 0:45:47 | 0:45:49 | |
This is one of the interesting aspects of planning, | 0:45:51 | 0:45:54 | |
is that you have the opportunity to... | 0:45:54 | 0:45:56 | |
to put your nose in! | 0:45:56 | 0:45:59 | |
Can I ask what facility arrangements they've got? | 0:46:03 | 0:46:06 | |
Are they in the cabins? | 0:46:06 | 0:46:08 | |
-Are you talking about the toilet facilities? -The toilets, yes. | 0:46:08 | 0:46:10 | |
This is the height of luxury, Norman. This is the whole nine yards. | 0:46:10 | 0:46:14 | |
-It's toilet, showers, everything you need in a... -Hot tub. | 0:46:14 | 0:46:18 | |
Hot tubs on the verandas with certain ones. | 0:46:18 | 0:46:20 | |
What do you think? Hot tubs in the forest. | 0:46:21 | 0:46:23 | |
Well, it reminds me of some experiences I've had in California. | 0:46:23 | 0:46:29 | |
But Nigel believes he's unearthed something | 0:46:33 | 0:46:36 | |
that will force the councillors to refuse this application. | 0:46:36 | 0:46:40 | |
There's a pipeline runs through here. | 0:46:40 | 0:46:42 | |
It's full of aviation fuel, | 0:46:42 | 0:46:44 | |
that runs from Stanlow to Manchester Airport | 0:46:44 | 0:46:47 | |
to fuel the jets. | 0:46:47 | 0:46:48 | |
So, it's beneath here, and it runs down. | 0:46:48 | 0:46:51 | |
We've got - and I don't know the exact distance - | 0:46:51 | 0:46:53 | |
somewhere round about 70 or 80m away you've got the nearest lodge. | 0:46:53 | 0:46:57 | |
The danger is that the pipeline explodes. | 0:46:57 | 0:47:01 | |
You've got 300 people, children and dogs included, | 0:47:01 | 0:47:03 | |
sat having a cup of tea in a lodge nearby. | 0:47:03 | 0:47:06 | |
Have you ever thrown a Christmas tree on a bonfire? | 0:47:06 | 0:47:09 | |
Blooming 'eck. It's just crying out for a disaster, isn't it? | 0:47:09 | 0:47:12 | |
Nigel thinks that planner Adrian has overlooked the pipeline issue, | 0:47:15 | 0:47:19 | |
and he intends to publicly expose him at planning committee. | 0:47:19 | 0:47:23 | |
All my reading, and I've done a lot of reading, | 0:47:23 | 0:47:26 | |
cos I don't want to make myself look a fool, | 0:47:26 | 0:47:29 | |
all my reading says that this is a showstopper. | 0:47:29 | 0:47:32 | |
When the committee understands | 0:47:34 | 0:47:35 | |
how important the information is on this pipeline, | 0:47:35 | 0:47:38 | |
your time's up, boy. | 0:47:38 | 0:47:40 | |
200 miles south, in Broxbourne, Hertfordshire, | 0:47:46 | 0:47:49 | |
plans to turn a back garden into a hotel for cats, rabbits | 0:47:49 | 0:47:52 | |
and guinea pigs are about to be debated by the planning committee. | 0:47:52 | 0:47:56 | |
13 elected councillors from all walks of life | 0:47:58 | 0:48:01 | |
will be voting on this application. | 0:48:01 | 0:48:03 | |
Planner Rob Webster will be there to keep them on a tight leash. | 0:48:04 | 0:48:08 | |
They can be unpredictable. | 0:48:08 | 0:48:10 | |
There are reasons for refusal from councillors | 0:48:10 | 0:48:13 | |
that you never saw coming, | 0:48:13 | 0:48:15 | |
but, you know, we still have officers here on the night | 0:48:15 | 0:48:18 | |
to give them a little bit of advice. | 0:48:18 | 0:48:21 | |
Can't fault those right angles, can you? | 0:48:21 | 0:48:23 | |
This is applicant Bee Hopkins's second appearance | 0:48:25 | 0:48:28 | |
at a planning committee in 12 months. | 0:48:28 | 0:48:30 | |
Her plan to run kennels last year was turned down. | 0:48:30 | 0:48:33 | |
She has the support of her best friends and of her son, Zane. | 0:48:35 | 0:48:39 | |
But first to speak will be next-door neighbour Larry Shannon | 0:48:41 | 0:48:44 | |
on behalf of Doreen and four other objectors. | 0:48:44 | 0:48:48 | |
I'm against this application as I see no need for a change of use. | 0:48:49 | 0:48:53 | |
We already have foxes and rats in the area, | 0:48:53 | 0:48:55 | |
and I feel this would only make the situation of vermin | 0:48:55 | 0:48:58 | |
in the neighbourhood worse. | 0:48:58 | 0:49:00 | |
It should also be noted that, due to the council only collecting | 0:49:00 | 0:49:03 | |
household food waste every two weeks, | 0:49:03 | 0:49:05 | |
we already have smells and flies in the area. | 0:49:05 | 0:49:09 | |
I feel cats' and any other animal waste would only add to this. | 0:49:09 | 0:49:12 | |
I thank the committee for listening to me. | 0:49:12 | 0:49:15 | |
It's now time for Bee to defend herself. | 0:49:18 | 0:49:21 | |
Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. | 0:49:23 | 0:49:26 | |
I note that the one concern, | 0:49:26 | 0:49:29 | |
the one reason why I was turned down last time, | 0:49:29 | 0:49:33 | |
was the potential for noise, and for that alone. | 0:49:33 | 0:49:37 | |
There is no noise now. | 0:49:38 | 0:49:40 | |
The cats that I have are in pens, and there is no noise being emitted. | 0:49:40 | 0:49:45 | |
I hear what Mr Shannon says about the smells and the vermin | 0:49:45 | 0:49:49 | |
and everything else, and as far as I'm concerned I'm very hygienic, | 0:49:49 | 0:49:53 | |
so there should be no problem | 0:49:53 | 0:49:55 | |
with any guinea pig bedding or any cat litter. | 0:49:55 | 0:49:58 | |
Thank you. | 0:49:59 | 0:50:01 | |
APPLAUSE | 0:50:01 | 0:50:03 | |
There will be noise and smell. | 0:50:09 | 0:50:11 | |
Cats are smelly, cat faeces is very, very smelly, | 0:50:11 | 0:50:14 | |
and I think the members here should take that into consideration. | 0:50:14 | 0:50:17 | |
I don't know whether I should declare an interest - | 0:50:18 | 0:50:20 | |
this application is for nine animals. | 0:50:20 | 0:50:22 | |
Well, when I lived in Church Lane I had two cats, a dog, two ducks... | 0:50:22 | 0:50:26 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:50:26 | 0:50:27 | |
..and a wife. | 0:50:27 | 0:50:29 | |
And I didn't need planning permission for that, | 0:50:29 | 0:50:32 | |
and I think this application is... | 0:50:32 | 0:50:33 | |
She's done her utmost to do the decent thing, | 0:50:33 | 0:50:37 | |
to cut out noise and things like that, and I move the recommendation. | 0:50:37 | 0:50:41 | |
APPLAUSE | 0:50:41 | 0:50:43 | |
Bee's plans have convinced one animal-loving councillor, | 0:50:43 | 0:50:47 | |
but she needs at least six more votes in favour. | 0:50:47 | 0:50:50 | |
Can I ask for a show of hands? | 0:50:50 | 0:50:52 | |
Anyone against? | 0:50:55 | 0:50:57 | |
The motion's carried. | 0:50:59 | 0:51:00 | |
The committee has approved Bee's luxury pet hotel. | 0:51:04 | 0:51:07 | |
I'm going home. | 0:51:08 | 0:51:10 | |
-Just very quickly, Doreen... -No. | 0:51:10 | 0:51:12 | |
Just very, very quickly, how are you feeling? | 0:51:12 | 0:51:14 | |
Rotten. | 0:51:14 | 0:51:16 | |
I won! | 0:51:17 | 0:51:18 | |
We've won. We've won! | 0:51:19 | 0:51:22 | |
It's been tough. I felt like I was some kind of criminal. | 0:51:22 | 0:51:26 | |
I used to come out of my home | 0:51:26 | 0:51:28 | |
feeling like I'd crawled out from under a stone, | 0:51:28 | 0:51:30 | |
because everyone would be, "Shh-shh," you now? | 0:51:30 | 0:51:33 | |
And it was - it felt very much cloak and dagger, | 0:51:33 | 0:51:36 | |
and it shouldn't be like that. | 0:51:36 | 0:51:38 | |
But now, you know... Perseverance, perseverance, definitely. | 0:51:38 | 0:51:43 | |
The new wave of holiday villages sweeping through Britain's forests | 0:51:50 | 0:51:54 | |
could soon come to Delamere in Cheshire. | 0:51:54 | 0:51:57 | |
Soon to be invaded by holiday cabins like triffids. | 0:51:57 | 0:52:01 | |
70 hot tubs bubbling away. | 0:52:01 | 0:52:03 | |
Delightful(!) | 0:52:03 | 0:52:05 | |
There, it'll be. Yeah. | 0:52:05 | 0:52:07 | |
Bikini Brenda in her hot tub will be there. | 0:52:07 | 0:52:10 | |
With a glass of champagne in her hand. | 0:52:10 | 0:52:12 | |
Nothing wrong with champagne. | 0:52:12 | 0:52:14 | |
Defending Delamere | 0:52:16 | 0:52:17 | |
has been businessman Nigel Gilding's obsession for the last 12 months. | 0:52:17 | 0:52:22 | |
That's all Delamere planning stuff. | 0:52:22 | 0:52:24 | |
Research of presentations, letters, DEFRA, the whole lot... | 0:52:24 | 0:52:31 | |
But the culmination of his campaigning | 0:52:31 | 0:52:33 | |
will be his speech at tomorrow's planning committee. | 0:52:33 | 0:52:36 | |
Two minutes 57.3 seconds! | 0:52:36 | 0:52:40 | |
Or thereabouts. | 0:52:40 | 0:52:42 | |
And it reads... | 0:52:42 | 0:52:43 | |
"Committee members, | 0:52:43 | 0:52:44 | |
"I would like to draw your attention to page 40 of the..." | 0:52:44 | 0:52:47 | |
Nigel's battle plan is to prove | 0:52:47 | 0:52:49 | |
that the planner has failed to give due notice | 0:52:49 | 0:52:52 | |
to the Health and Safety Executive about a major fuel pipeline | 0:52:52 | 0:52:56 | |
running next to the proposed cabins. | 0:52:56 | 0:52:58 | |
There's been a major short cut taken, | 0:52:58 | 0:53:00 | |
and it's a short cut that can affect public safety. | 0:53:00 | 0:53:04 | |
And I can't see the circumstances where any member of that committee, | 0:53:04 | 0:53:08 | |
listening to what I have to say tomorrow, | 0:53:08 | 0:53:12 | |
can approve that planning application tomorrow. | 0:53:12 | 0:53:15 | |
To me, what I've got there is cast iron, | 0:53:15 | 0:53:21 | |
concrete proof that it can't be approved tomorrow. | 0:53:21 | 0:53:25 | |
They may not hear anybody else. | 0:53:25 | 0:53:27 | |
They may just say, "Let's just stop here, there's no point continuing." | 0:53:27 | 0:53:31 | |
I'll pop a shirt and a jacket on tomorrow. | 0:53:31 | 0:53:33 | |
Yeah. | 0:53:33 | 0:53:35 | |
Been saving me shave up for tomorrow. | 0:53:35 | 0:53:37 | |
As Nigel drives to committee, he's taken care of every detail. | 0:53:45 | 0:53:50 | |
-BLEEP -no bloody fuel. | 0:53:50 | 0:53:52 | |
Nigel's supporters file in with their own pieces of paper, | 0:53:56 | 0:53:59 | |
but their hopes rest on one A4 sheet | 0:53:59 | 0:54:02 | |
bearing their leader's finely crafted argument. | 0:54:02 | 0:54:05 | |
Well, we all like to win, don't we? | 0:54:06 | 0:54:08 | |
It's nice to be vindicated. | 0:54:08 | 0:54:10 | |
Let battle commence. | 0:54:11 | 0:54:12 | |
Nigel's lived and breathed planning regulations for 12 months. | 0:54:14 | 0:54:19 | |
He's now ready to beat the planner at his own game, | 0:54:19 | 0:54:22 | |
and put a premature end to this meeting. | 0:54:22 | 0:54:24 | |
Committee members, you have an opportunity today | 0:54:28 | 0:54:30 | |
to defend Delamere, and prevent its gradual erosion to which this | 0:54:30 | 0:54:34 | |
proposal would no doubt lead. | 0:54:34 | 0:54:36 | |
The hazardous aviation fuel pipeline makes this decision easy | 0:54:36 | 0:54:39 | |
for committee members, as the legal requirement | 0:54:39 | 0:54:42 | |
for 21 days' notice period to the HSE has not been observed. | 0:54:42 | 0:54:45 | |
Therefore, the content of the original officer's report | 0:54:45 | 0:54:48 | |
should be seen as inaccurate. | 0:54:48 | 0:54:49 | |
No approval can be given today. | 0:54:49 | 0:54:51 | |
Thank you. APPLAUSE | 0:54:51 | 0:54:54 | |
Planner Adrian now has to defend himself. | 0:54:57 | 0:54:59 | |
For those that don't understand, I'll try and explain it quickly. | 0:55:01 | 0:55:04 | |
Should you be minded to approve this application this afternoon, | 0:55:04 | 0:55:07 | |
the application would be referred to the HSE | 0:55:07 | 0:55:10 | |
to see whether they feel it's appropriate to call the matter in. | 0:55:10 | 0:55:13 | |
You can't... I'm sorry, you can't approve. | 0:55:13 | 0:55:16 | |
-Excuse me. -OK. | 0:55:16 | 0:55:19 | |
-It is technically wrong. -Excuse me. | 0:55:19 | 0:55:21 | |
APPLAUSE | 0:55:21 | 0:55:22 | |
Can I finish, Chair? | 0:55:23 | 0:55:25 | |
Nigel may have popular support in his bid to save the forest, | 0:55:25 | 0:55:29 | |
but it looks like he's been barking up the wrong tree. | 0:55:29 | 0:55:32 | |
Excuse me. | 0:55:32 | 0:55:33 | |
Please, carry on. | 0:55:33 | 0:55:35 | |
To be precise, members, you are minded to approve | 0:55:35 | 0:55:38 | |
the application, should you do that, it then goes to the HSE. | 0:55:38 | 0:55:42 | |
If they are happy it is acceptable, as we feel will be the case, | 0:55:42 | 0:55:47 | |
then the decision would stand. | 0:55:47 | 0:55:48 | |
-Thank you, Chair. -Thank you. | 0:55:50 | 0:55:52 | |
Planner Adrian has followed the correct procedure. | 0:55:52 | 0:55:55 | |
The Health and Safety Executive will be notified, | 0:55:55 | 0:55:58 | |
but only after councillors have decided if they want to approve | 0:55:58 | 0:56:02 | |
the holiday village application. | 0:56:02 | 0:56:04 | |
All those in favour please show. | 0:56:04 | 0:56:07 | |
Eight. | 0:56:10 | 0:56:11 | |
Against? | 0:56:12 | 0:56:14 | |
Clearly carried. Thank you. | 0:56:15 | 0:56:18 | |
Shame on you all. | 0:56:18 | 0:56:20 | |
An overwhelming majority has voted in favour of the log cabins. | 0:56:22 | 0:56:26 | |
But Nigel still thinks he knows best. | 0:56:26 | 0:56:29 | |
Well, that wasn't... It was nothing, was it? | 0:56:29 | 0:56:32 | |
It was just a total sham. | 0:56:32 | 0:56:33 | |
They've believed what they've been told by Mr Crowther. | 0:56:33 | 0:56:37 | |
Factually incorrect information | 0:56:37 | 0:56:40 | |
that everybody falls for, hook, line and sinker. | 0:56:40 | 0:56:42 | |
There's been no robust testing of anything. | 0:56:42 | 0:56:45 | |
They've all just rolled over and died. | 0:56:45 | 0:56:47 | |
It's incredible. Absolutely phenomenal. | 0:56:47 | 0:56:50 | |
-Well done, Nige. -BLEEP. | 0:56:51 | 0:56:52 | |
We like a good debate in planning, | 0:56:56 | 0:56:58 | |
and we like the issues batted about. | 0:56:58 | 0:57:00 | |
The adrenaline flows in that situation, | 0:57:00 | 0:57:02 | |
and whilst there are times when it's tough, | 0:57:02 | 0:57:04 | |
that's the endgame, isn't it? | 0:57:04 | 0:57:07 | |
I don't doubt they'll start digging tomorrow. | 0:57:08 | 0:57:10 | |
Press a green button, and they'll be there. | 0:57:10 | 0:57:12 | |
I wonder who I complain to about that, if that happens? | 0:57:13 | 0:57:15 | |
Not the local council, that's for sure, | 0:57:17 | 0:57:18 | |
cos they won't give a toss. | 0:57:18 | 0:57:20 | |
But unexpectedly, | 0:57:23 | 0:57:25 | |
the Secretary of State for Communities and Local Government | 0:57:25 | 0:57:28 | |
has called in this application, | 0:57:28 | 0:57:30 | |
as he thinks it may conflict with national policies. | 0:57:30 | 0:57:33 | |
A public inquiry will be held before a new decision is made. | 0:57:33 | 0:57:37 | |
For now, the future of Delamere Forest is still undecided. | 0:57:37 | 0:57:41 | |
Next time... | 0:57:42 | 0:57:44 | |
No to the student village! | 0:57:44 | 0:57:47 | |
..Chester residents revolt over plans to build on green belt. | 0:57:47 | 0:57:51 | |
I think it's time to move the bus, if you don't mind. | 0:57:51 | 0:57:54 | |
I don't believe this council. I'm not voting next time. | 0:57:54 | 0:57:58 | |
Plans to extend a children's home | 0:57:59 | 0:58:01 | |
creates a moral dilemma for councillors. | 0:58:01 | 0:58:03 | |
It's extremely difficult, | 0:58:03 | 0:58:05 | |
because the children's interests have to be considered, as well. | 0:58:05 | 0:58:08 | |
And can residents get this business closed down? | 0:58:08 | 0:58:12 | |
I get really annoyed - this isn't an industrial area. | 0:58:12 | 0:58:15 | |
It's just not on. | 0:58:15 | 0:58:16 |