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Well, hello everybody. | 0:00:38 | 0:00:40 | |
This is a fabulous day for Philadelphia, | 0:00:40 | 0:00:43 | |
and we have some wonderful news for you, | 0:00:43 | 0:00:46 | |
and I am so proud to present to you | 0:00:46 | 0:00:49 | |
the Mayor of Philadelphia, the mayor of arts and culture - | 0:00:49 | 0:00:52 | |
John Street. | 0:00:52 | 0:00:54 | |
Thank you. Good afternoon, everyone. | 0:00:57 | 0:01:00 | |
Let me see, what kind of day am I having? | 0:01:00 | 0:01:03 | |
Actually, it is a very, very special moment for all of us | 0:01:03 | 0:01:06 | |
here in the city of Philadelphia. This has been a journey, | 0:01:06 | 0:01:10 | |
and we're not completely finished yet, but let me tell you something, | 0:01:10 | 0:01:16 | |
it's one of those things that will make our city special | 0:01:16 | 0:01:20 | |
for a long, long time. | 0:01:20 | 0:01:22 | |
You will not be able to go to Houston and see the Barnes Collection, | 0:01:22 | 0:01:25 | |
you won't be able to go to Boston, you won't be able to go anywhere else. | 0:01:25 | 0:01:29 | |
If you want to see it, you come to the city of Philadelphia. | 0:01:29 | 0:01:32 | |
And so it is with a great sense of pride that we come here today | 0:01:32 | 0:01:37 | |
so that the Barnes Collection can be moved from lower Merion... | 0:01:37 | 0:01:43 | |
..From Merion. | 0:01:44 | 0:01:47 | |
Actually, I pause to tell you that I was on a bike ride | 0:01:47 | 0:01:50 | |
not too long ago and rode right past the place. | 0:01:50 | 0:01:52 | |
And I said, "See you soon." | 0:01:52 | 0:01:54 | |
-LAUGHTER -In the city of Philadelphia, on the Benjamin Franklin Parkway. | 0:01:54 | 0:01:59 | |
You know, this is a story that should have been told as it went along. | 0:01:59 | 0:02:03 | |
It is the greatest act of cultural vandalism since World War II. | 0:02:04 | 0:02:09 | |
It's been a circus, and we couldn't take the paintings up | 0:02:09 | 0:02:12 | |
to heaven with him, or hell, or wherever the heck he wound up. | 0:02:12 | 0:02:16 | |
If you're going to leave your painting somewhere, | 0:02:16 | 0:02:19 | |
don't let there be a politician within 500 yards. | 0:02:19 | 0:02:22 | |
America's treasure to be untainted by these attacks. | 0:02:22 | 0:02:26 | |
Culture has become big business, culture is an industry. | 0:02:26 | 0:02:30 | |
There's a culture industry that requires new product. | 0:02:30 | 0:02:36 | |
No-one knows this story, | 0:02:38 | 0:02:41 | |
this is THE scandal of the art world in modern America. | 0:02:41 | 0:02:44 | |
The Barnes is one of the last great personal collections in the United States. | 0:02:54 | 0:02:59 | |
The fight now is over how closely the foundation Barnes established should follow his wishes. | 0:02:59 | 0:03:03 | |
Here were modern paintings so important | 0:03:03 | 0:03:06 | |
they were the envy of virtually every art museum in the world. | 0:03:06 | 0:03:09 | |
This is the treasure-trove of the modern art of America, | 0:03:13 | 0:03:16 | |
and of the world. | 0:03:16 | 0:03:18 | |
This is the best of the best of the best. | 0:03:18 | 0:03:20 | |
When you go through the Barnes Collection, it is jaw-dropping. | 0:03:20 | 0:03:24 | |
Your mouth falls open, you can't believe you're seeing this. | 0:03:24 | 0:03:28 | |
And then you go into another room and there's more, and more. | 0:03:28 | 0:03:31 | |
It's just incredible... | 0:03:31 | 0:03:32 | |
They've got more Cezannes then the entire city of Paris. | 0:03:32 | 0:03:37 | |
There's 181 Renoirs. Wall to wall. | 0:03:37 | 0:03:40 | |
59 paintings by Matisse. | 0:03:40 | 0:03:42 | |
The Joy Of Life is always cited in everyone's art book, | 0:03:42 | 0:03:45 | |
as it's such an important painting in the history of art. | 0:03:45 | 0:03:48 | |
Picasso - 46. Seven by Van Gogh, six by Seurat. | 0:03:48 | 0:03:52 | |
The Seurat Models. Now, of course, that really is | 0:03:52 | 0:03:55 | |
sort of a spectacular thing, that there is no equal for. | 0:03:55 | 0:03:58 | |
Simply the concentration of the work of these particular masters | 0:03:58 | 0:04:02 | |
is unrivalled. | 0:04:02 | 0:04:04 | |
The Louvre doesn't have it. | 0:04:04 | 0:04:05 | |
The Museum of Modern Art, the Metropolitan Museum, | 0:04:05 | 0:04:08 | |
they don't have it. | 0:04:08 | 0:04:09 | |
If you've been to any other museum, you're used to walking in | 0:04:09 | 0:04:13 | |
and seeing these white walls, and these paintings hung up. | 0:04:13 | 0:04:16 | |
It's like a shopping experience. | 0:04:16 | 0:04:18 | |
Barnes wasn't interested in a mass experience, | 0:04:18 | 0:04:21 | |
he was interested in a quality experience. | 0:04:21 | 0:04:23 | |
The rooms are intimate, they're not made to accommodate | 0:04:23 | 0:04:27 | |
industrial-strength Smithsonian-sized crowds. | 0:04:27 | 0:04:31 | |
The Barnes Collection is arranged not by period, not by artist, | 0:04:31 | 0:04:36 | |
but by aesthetic values. | 0:04:36 | 0:04:39 | |
You can see that a Cezanne, and a door lock, | 0:04:39 | 0:04:42 | |
and some furniture are all grouped together. | 0:04:42 | 0:04:45 | |
Well, he had a reason for this. | 0:04:45 | 0:04:48 | |
It's a completely different way of understanding a work of art, | 0:04:48 | 0:04:52 | |
and one's experience of a work of art. | 0:04:52 | 0:04:55 | |
We see this collection | 0:04:55 | 0:04:56 | |
with a very interesting personality stamped on it. | 0:04:56 | 0:05:00 | |
The Barnes Foundation is the single most important | 0:05:00 | 0:05:02 | |
American cultural monument of the first half of the 20th century. | 0:05:02 | 0:05:06 | |
Albert Barnes I've come to think of as an extraordinary character. | 0:05:20 | 0:05:24 | |
He tends to be dismissed as a bizarre curmudgeon, | 0:05:24 | 0:05:27 | |
but in fact I think he was something of a genius. | 0:05:27 | 0:05:31 | |
Dr Barnes is a particular interest of mine. | 0:05:31 | 0:05:34 | |
I'm fascinated that this working-class man | 0:05:34 | 0:05:37 | |
from Philadelphia, who was boxing to help to pay his university fees, | 0:05:37 | 0:05:43 | |
how this young man creates one of the most beautiful | 0:05:43 | 0:05:47 | |
collections of early modern art in the world. | 0:05:47 | 0:05:50 | |
He was a brilliant kid who came up out of the smoke, | 0:05:50 | 0:05:53 | |
and became very successful. | 0:05:53 | 0:05:56 | |
Dr Barnes made his way into the University of Pennsylvania, | 0:05:59 | 0:06:02 | |
and then its medical school. | 0:06:02 | 0:06:04 | |
He realised that there was a market for a substitute | 0:06:04 | 0:06:07 | |
for silver nitrate, which at that time, | 0:06:07 | 0:06:10 | |
a drop or two was put into the eyes of almost | 0:06:10 | 0:06:12 | |
every baby born in America to protect them from venereal disease. | 0:06:12 | 0:06:16 | |
The product which Barnes had come up with was something called Argyrol. | 0:06:22 | 0:06:26 | |
Barnes marketed something that solved a huge problem, | 0:06:26 | 0:06:31 | |
and the wealth that would come from, imagine that today you invented a cure for AIDS. | 0:06:31 | 0:06:36 | |
Glackens, a friend from Central High, who was an artist, | 0:06:36 | 0:06:40 | |
introduced Barnes to art. | 0:06:40 | 0:06:41 | |
Barnes, being this curious type, immersed himself in it, | 0:06:41 | 0:06:44 | |
in the same way that he did in any other objective scientific problem. | 0:06:44 | 0:06:48 | |
He wanted to learn about it, understand it. | 0:06:48 | 0:06:50 | |
But here he was in Philadelphia and Philadelphia didn't have a clue. | 0:06:50 | 0:06:53 | |
The money people, who were very conservative, | 0:06:53 | 0:06:58 | |
did not have a sense of progress. | 0:06:58 | 0:07:01 | |
Barnes did. | 0:07:01 | 0:07:03 | |
He started going to Paris, | 0:07:06 | 0:07:08 | |
trying to understand what was happening with modern art. | 0:07:08 | 0:07:11 | |
Barnes's taste is pretty well formed in about two or three years, | 0:07:11 | 0:07:15 | |
and he has a feeling that Renoir and Cezanne | 0:07:15 | 0:07:19 | |
are the new pillars of the modern movement. | 0:07:19 | 0:07:21 | |
He also then sees that Matisse and Picasso | 0:07:21 | 0:07:24 | |
are the continuators of this great tradition. | 0:07:24 | 0:07:27 | |
Barnes was way head of his time, ahead of his time artistically, | 0:07:27 | 0:07:31 | |
intellectually, culturally, politically. | 0:07:31 | 0:07:34 | |
He collected some of the greatest art | 0:07:34 | 0:07:36 | |
in the history of the world, at a time when the American art establishment | 0:07:36 | 0:07:40 | |
regarded this art as inaccessible to audiences, and of little value. | 0:07:40 | 0:07:45 | |
Just think, the Museum of Modern Art was in existence, | 0:07:45 | 0:07:49 | |
the Philadelphia Museum of Art was in existence, | 0:07:49 | 0:07:52 | |
these were his competitors. | 0:07:52 | 0:07:53 | |
The Met has been around for 30 years. | 0:07:53 | 0:07:56 | |
It's this extraordinary moment where one man | 0:07:56 | 0:07:59 | |
was able to buy some of the very greatest works, | 0:07:59 | 0:08:02 | |
before museums were competing, | 0:08:02 | 0:08:04 | |
before MoMA and Philadelphia and Boston were actually saying, "We have to buy these artists as well." | 0:08:04 | 0:08:09 | |
There's always been this tension in the art world | 0:08:09 | 0:08:12 | |
about the Barnes Collection. | 0:08:12 | 0:08:14 | |
There is this truly phenomenal collection that the museum world | 0:08:14 | 0:08:20 | |
can't get their hands on. | 0:08:20 | 0:08:22 | |
We're at Sotheby's, at a preview | 0:08:35 | 0:08:37 | |
for their big impressionist and modern sale. | 0:08:37 | 0:08:40 | |
I mean, there's a Van Gogh there, | 0:08:46 | 0:08:48 | |
which is a nice picture by a great artist. | 0:08:48 | 0:08:52 | |
This is not a great Van Gogh. | 0:08:54 | 0:08:56 | |
They're estimating 35 million. | 0:08:56 | 0:08:58 | |
I suspect in this market, with this liquidity, | 0:08:58 | 0:09:01 | |
it will go much higher than that. | 0:09:01 | 0:09:04 | |
It's not Barnes-worthy, he would not have bought that Van Gogh, but it is a Van Gogh. | 0:09:04 | 0:09:09 | |
Barnes wouldn't even look at that painting. | 0:09:13 | 0:09:17 | |
Some pictures are unattractive and significant, | 0:09:17 | 0:09:20 | |
some paintings are attractive and insignificant, | 0:09:20 | 0:09:23 | |
this is both unattractive and insignificant. | 0:09:23 | 0:09:26 | |
I mean, the one last night at 35 million was a much better painting. | 0:09:26 | 0:09:30 | |
That was a good Matisse, I don't think it was good enough for Barnes to buy. | 0:09:30 | 0:09:35 | |
And the Cezanne here is...is... | 0:09:35 | 0:09:39 | |
not even a shadow of a Barnes Cezanne. | 0:09:39 | 0:09:43 | |
This is estimated at seven to nine million. | 0:09:43 | 0:09:47 | |
I couldn't even hang it in the same room as The Card Players, | 0:09:48 | 0:09:51 | |
but The Card Players would probably be beyond any individual's capacity. | 0:09:51 | 0:09:56 | |
I mean, how much money is in any one place? The Getty couldn't afford it. | 0:09:56 | 0:10:01 | |
You'd need some sort of a nation to buy it. | 0:10:03 | 0:10:06 | |
There certainly aren't any collections like the Barnes | 0:10:09 | 0:10:12 | |
anywhere, any more, in private hands. | 0:10:12 | 0:10:15 | |
-What is a collection like this worth? -Ohh... | 0:10:19 | 0:10:22 | |
Look, there are some things in the collection that... | 0:10:32 | 0:10:36 | |
one can't even begin to calculate. | 0:10:36 | 0:10:38 | |
I...I could go through the inventory, | 0:10:38 | 0:10:41 | |
painting by painting, | 0:10:41 | 0:10:45 | |
and a lot of them I could come up with some kind of a number, | 0:10:45 | 0:10:50 | |
but some things in there, nobody could figure out. | 0:10:50 | 0:10:53 | |
The Matisse La Danse, nobody could figure out what that's worth. | 0:10:53 | 0:10:56 | |
We don't know. There's been nothing like it, there never will be. | 0:10:56 | 0:11:01 | |
It's worth billions. I have no idea what it's worth. | 0:11:05 | 0:11:07 | |
The Cezanne Card Players, I mean, what is it worth? | 0:11:07 | 0:11:11 | |
500 million? Or the other one 500 million? | 0:11:11 | 0:11:14 | |
I mean, we're talking about billions and billions. | 0:11:15 | 0:11:18 | |
The initial exhibition of the Barnes art took place | 0:11:27 | 0:11:30 | |
in 1923 in Philadelphia, | 0:11:30 | 0:11:31 | |
when Barnes exhibited the collection | 0:11:31 | 0:11:34 | |
at the Academy of Fine Arts. | 0:11:34 | 0:11:36 | |
Barnes had great faith in his native abilities, and his eye, | 0:11:37 | 0:11:42 | |
he knew that he was in the major leagues of collecting | 0:11:42 | 0:11:47 | |
the greatest postimpressionist art. | 0:11:47 | 0:11:50 | |
He was passionate about pictures. | 0:11:53 | 0:11:57 | |
And there was a passion in sharing it too. | 0:11:57 | 0:12:00 | |
The art critics, the Philadelphia Inquirer and other people, just trashed the collection. | 0:12:07 | 0:12:12 | |
They said, "This is not art, this is scribbling." | 0:12:12 | 0:12:15 | |
It was greeted with caustic outcries from the traditional, | 0:12:15 | 0:12:20 | |
stuffy Philadelphia art critics. | 0:12:20 | 0:12:22 | |
Barnes was dismayed. I mean, he was just dismayed. | 0:12:24 | 0:12:27 | |
To have these provincial yahoos, who thought of themselves | 0:12:28 | 0:12:32 | |
as sophisticated art critics, just denounce him | 0:12:32 | 0:12:35 | |
must've had a profound influence in his dealings with them | 0:12:35 | 0:12:38 | |
for the rest of his life. | 0:12:38 | 0:12:41 | |
He determined that never, never | 0:12:42 | 0:12:44 | |
would they get their hands on this art. | 0:12:44 | 0:12:47 | |
A principal reason that he established his foundation | 0:13:00 | 0:13:04 | |
where he did, was to get it away from | 0:13:04 | 0:13:06 | |
the downtown interests in Philadelphia | 0:13:06 | 0:13:08 | |
that ruled the city, from the newspaper to the art museum. | 0:13:08 | 0:13:13 | |
He talks about, in one of his books, rich people using artwork as upholstery for their homes. | 0:13:15 | 0:13:20 | |
He didn't want that to happen with this. | 0:13:20 | 0:13:22 | |
The other robber barons were busy making monuments to themselves. | 0:13:22 | 0:13:26 | |
Barnes wanted to make something that would educate. | 0:13:26 | 0:13:28 | |
So he used his collection to form a school. | 0:13:28 | 0:13:32 | |
He really wanted to be taken seriously as an educator. | 0:13:32 | 0:13:36 | |
And that this project be seen seriously | 0:13:37 | 0:13:41 | |
as a real new step in modern education. | 0:13:41 | 0:13:45 | |
Dewey recognised that. | 0:13:45 | 0:13:47 | |
Here was a very serious philosopher, | 0:13:47 | 0:13:50 | |
one of America's great contributors to philosophy and education, | 0:13:50 | 0:13:54 | |
really embracing what Barnes was doing. | 0:13:54 | 0:13:56 | |
If you've spent time at the place, | 0:13:56 | 0:13:58 | |
and gotten a sense of what it's about, | 0:13:58 | 0:14:01 | |
you know that it's a very, very important place. | 0:14:01 | 0:14:04 | |
And it's not important because it has a great, great paintings, | 0:14:04 | 0:14:08 | |
the entire thing is the realisation of a set of ideas. | 0:14:08 | 0:14:11 | |
Dr Barnes created this perfectly appropriate building, | 0:14:11 | 0:14:15 | |
in the midst of a beautiful garden and grounds. | 0:14:15 | 0:14:19 | |
Barnes there assembled works of art from all over the world, | 0:14:20 | 0:14:23 | |
and from all different times, and put them on an equal plane. | 0:14:23 | 0:14:26 | |
He arranged in such a way | 0:14:26 | 0:14:28 | |
so that the art speaks to each other in a certain way. | 0:14:28 | 0:14:32 | |
It says something about humans everywhere, | 0:14:32 | 0:14:35 | |
it says we're the same. | 0:14:35 | 0:14:37 | |
It says that African-Americans are no different | 0:14:37 | 0:14:40 | |
than Latin Americans, than Asians, we experience life in the same way. | 0:14:40 | 0:14:44 | |
We show it in different ways, | 0:14:44 | 0:14:46 | |
but the basic fundamental experience of life is the same. | 0:14:46 | 0:14:50 | |
This is one of the many things that they say at the Barnes Foundation that makes so much sense. | 0:14:50 | 0:14:55 | |
Art isn't something separate from life, it is life. | 0:14:55 | 0:14:58 | |
Years later, the artwork had come to be recognised as important. | 0:15:04 | 0:15:07 | |
Everyone was so offended that they couldn't go | 0:15:07 | 0:15:11 | |
because it was closed on Monday, | 0:15:11 | 0:15:13 | |
and, "How dare you, I've shown up with my chauffeur." | 0:15:13 | 0:15:16 | |
Well, fuck it, Barnes didn't really care about your chauffeur, | 0:15:16 | 0:15:19 | |
he had a school to run and he saw that very seriously. | 0:15:19 | 0:15:23 | |
The hatred of Barnes in Philadelphia was fierce. | 0:15:28 | 0:15:32 | |
People didn't like him, because he insulted people. | 0:15:32 | 0:15:35 | |
He didn't have much regard for Philadelphia's society. | 0:15:38 | 0:15:43 | |
Dr Barnes was extremely inflammatory towards his contemporaries. | 0:15:48 | 0:15:52 | |
He liked to fight. But I don't think he would pick on anyone small. | 0:15:56 | 0:16:01 | |
It was always... | 0:16:01 | 0:16:02 | |
Someone would write, would say, | 0:16:02 | 0:16:03 | |
"I am the art critic of the New York Times, can I come and see the art?" | 0:16:03 | 0:16:06 | |
And Albert Barnes would write, "No," | 0:16:06 | 0:16:08 | |
and he'd have his dog sign the letter. | 0:16:08 | 0:16:11 | |
But if you said, "I'm a plumber in New York City and I want to come see this art," he'd say, "OK, come in." | 0:16:11 | 0:16:16 | |
Barnes never forgot, no matter how rich he was, | 0:16:18 | 0:16:22 | |
that he'd grown up a poor boy in turn-of-the-century Philadelphia, | 0:16:22 | 0:16:28 | |
and this set him at odds not only with the arts and cultural community, | 0:16:28 | 0:16:33 | |
but with the political community. | 0:16:33 | 0:16:35 | |
He was a New Deal, liberal Democrat. | 0:16:35 | 0:16:38 | |
This particularly put him at odds with | 0:16:38 | 0:16:41 | |
the family that owned the Philadelphia Inquirer, | 0:16:41 | 0:16:45 | |
which was clubbable, and muffled, and WASPy. | 0:16:45 | 0:16:50 | |
The Inquirer was the organ of Moses Annenberg | 0:16:53 | 0:16:59 | |
and his son, Walter Annenberg. | 0:16:59 | 0:17:02 | |
Here is a bona fide plutocrat. | 0:17:02 | 0:17:05 | |
A right-wing, Nixonian, as he later would be, Ambassador to the Court of St James. | 0:17:05 | 0:17:10 | |
It was like going back to wearing knee britches, and ridiculous costumes. | 0:17:10 | 0:17:15 | |
How more ludicrously right-wing could you possibly be? | 0:17:15 | 0:17:18 | |
This man, who like to phone Richard Nixon at night, | 0:17:18 | 0:17:21 | |
and share jokes together. | 0:17:21 | 0:17:23 | |
Barnes and he were always at odds, always fighting. | 0:17:23 | 0:17:26 | |
The Philadelphia Inquirer was always attacking Albert Barnes | 0:17:26 | 0:17:29 | |
for not opening it to the public, | 0:17:29 | 0:17:31 | |
not doing what they thought it should. He did the things he thought HE should. | 0:17:31 | 0:17:35 | |
It was his art, why couldn't he do what he wanted? | 0:17:35 | 0:17:37 | |
One of the problems with Walter Annenberg is his father was a gangster. | 0:17:37 | 0:17:41 | |
He went to jail for tax evasion, which all gangsters go to jail for, | 0:17:41 | 0:17:45 | |
unless you can really catch them with the knife in their hand. | 0:17:45 | 0:17:49 | |
In the end the Feds agreed to give his young, callow son, Walter, | 0:17:49 | 0:17:53 | |
a pass, if the old man copped out and took a longer term. | 0:17:53 | 0:17:58 | |
So his father was sent off to federal prison, | 0:17:58 | 0:18:00 | |
and was only released as he was dying with a brain tumour. | 0:18:00 | 0:18:03 | |
This is something that Walter Annenberg | 0:18:03 | 0:18:07 | |
never forgave the Democrats for. | 0:18:07 | 0:18:09 | |
It was often said that Albert Barnes realised this lifetime of animosity | 0:18:09 | 0:18:13 | |
from Walter Annenberg because he said nasty cracks | 0:18:13 | 0:18:18 | |
about Mo Annenberg, and his income-tax problems, | 0:18:18 | 0:18:22 | |
and the race-track business, and the Mob. | 0:18:22 | 0:18:26 | |
There is no doubt that Walter Annenberg, | 0:18:26 | 0:18:29 | |
who for many, many years | 0:18:29 | 0:18:30 | |
would dominate the world of Philadelphia journalism, | 0:18:30 | 0:18:34 | |
hated Albert Barnes with a passion. | 0:18:34 | 0:18:38 | |
Barnes was a very, very, very shrewd person. | 0:18:47 | 0:18:51 | |
And one of the things that Albert Barnes learned was | 0:18:51 | 0:18:54 | |
the value of a good lawyer. | 0:18:54 | 0:18:57 | |
And Barnes's lawyer was a man named John Johnson. | 0:18:57 | 0:19:00 | |
Johnson was a great patron of the arts, whose art today | 0:19:00 | 0:19:03 | |
is one of the cornerstones of the Philadelphia Museum of Modern Art. | 0:19:03 | 0:19:06 | |
This was not as Johnson had wished it to be, I might say. | 0:19:06 | 0:19:11 | |
John Johnson intended his art to be seen as a gallery in his home | 0:19:11 | 0:19:17 | |
on Broad Street in Philadelphia. | 0:19:17 | 0:19:19 | |
Poor Johnson had said, "I'm going to give you this collection to look at. | 0:19:21 | 0:19:25 | |
"The part of the bargain is, keep my end up of it." | 0:19:25 | 0:19:28 | |
After his death the house was demolished | 0:19:30 | 0:19:32 | |
and the paintings were moved into the Philadelphia Museum of Art, | 0:19:32 | 0:19:35 | |
where they have been a cornerstone ever since. | 0:19:35 | 0:19:39 | |
Johnson's art was, in effect, | 0:19:39 | 0:19:40 | |
legally stolen by the Philadelphia... the powers that be. | 0:19:40 | 0:19:44 | |
They argued that the building was a firetrap, | 0:19:44 | 0:19:46 | |
and that the paintings were a danger, | 0:19:46 | 0:19:48 | |
and that they'd be much better off in this new building. | 0:19:48 | 0:19:53 | |
"Let's get the paintings out of there, and to our new museum." | 0:19:53 | 0:19:57 | |
So, yeah, he got screwed. | 0:19:57 | 0:19:58 | |
Barnes was so appalled by this naked thievery | 0:19:58 | 0:20:03 | |
that he became determined | 0:20:03 | 0:20:05 | |
that the political and arts community of Philadelphia | 0:20:05 | 0:20:09 | |
would not steal his art. | 0:20:09 | 0:20:11 | |
Well, Barnes, as he always did, | 0:20:15 | 0:20:17 | |
he turned to the best lawyers he could find to draw up his will. | 0:20:17 | 0:20:20 | |
The goal had always been to keep | 0:20:20 | 0:20:23 | |
the Barnes Foundation as a free-standing educational mission, | 0:20:23 | 0:20:27 | |
not to fold the Barnes into the Philadelphia Museum of Art, | 0:20:27 | 0:20:31 | |
and certainly not to turn the Barnes itself into an art museum. | 0:20:31 | 0:20:35 | |
And it was to be housed | 0:20:35 | 0:20:37 | |
in the building that Dr Barnes had put up. | 0:20:37 | 0:20:41 | |
So he wrote this very sort of rigorous document. | 0:20:41 | 0:20:44 | |
He said, "It shall always be preserved as an educational institution. | 0:20:44 | 0:20:49 | |
"It can be open two or three days a week to the public. | 0:20:49 | 0:20:53 | |
"But four or five days a week it shall be solely | 0:20:53 | 0:20:56 | |
"and exclusively open to students and educators of art. | 0:20:56 | 0:20:59 | |
"The collection shall never be loaned, | 0:21:01 | 0:21:03 | |
"the collection shall never be sold. | 0:21:03 | 0:21:05 | |
"The democratic nature of this institution | 0:21:07 | 0:21:10 | |
"shall be preserved for all time." | 0:21:10 | 0:21:12 | |
He tried to create a collection that was proof | 0:21:14 | 0:21:16 | |
against commercial exploitation. | 0:21:16 | 0:21:18 | |
If it remains in the same place, if it simply hangs on a wall, | 0:21:18 | 0:21:23 | |
if it can never be lent, if it can never be sold, | 0:21:23 | 0:21:26 | |
the commercial exploitation of it has a value of zero. | 0:21:26 | 0:21:29 | |
He sought to preserve this as a school, maybe naively, in perpetuity. | 0:21:29 | 0:21:34 | |
But anyone who ever writes a will thinks it's going to go on for ever. | 0:21:34 | 0:21:38 | |
And so it was... Barnes was in his roadster, | 0:21:48 | 0:21:54 | |
travelling between his country place and his home in Merion, | 0:21:54 | 0:22:00 | |
when he was instantly killed. | 0:22:00 | 0:22:02 | |
It was a shock. | 0:22:10 | 0:22:13 | |
And I thought, "I only hope | 0:22:19 | 0:22:22 | |
"we can keep the spirit of Dr Barnes's ideas alive." | 0:22:22 | 0:22:27 | |
The question then arises, as it invariably does, | 0:22:29 | 0:22:33 | |
"What did Albert Barnes intend | 0:22:33 | 0:22:37 | |
"for the control of the great Barnes art collection?" | 0:22:37 | 0:22:41 | |
So he died in 1951. And here we have Violette De Mazia, | 0:22:53 | 0:22:59 | |
one of the great characters ever, really, in the art world, | 0:22:59 | 0:23:04 | |
who originally came to the Foundation to give French classes. | 0:23:04 | 0:23:08 | |
And she becomes his right-hand person, his great supporter, | 0:23:10 | 0:23:15 | |
his collaborator, his disciple. | 0:23:15 | 0:23:18 | |
And she's in charge, basically, for 30 years. | 0:23:18 | 0:23:22 | |
After Dr Barnes died, she became President, | 0:23:22 | 0:23:26 | |
and she ran it the way it had been run before. | 0:23:26 | 0:23:29 | |
She was just passionate for teaching. | 0:23:29 | 0:23:32 | |
She poured her life into this. | 0:23:32 | 0:23:35 | |
Well, hell, it wasn't a job. To Miss De Mazia and Dr Barnes, | 0:23:35 | 0:23:38 | |
and those of us that taught there, it was our life. | 0:23:38 | 0:23:40 | |
We were painters, we cared about it. It wasn't just a job. | 0:23:40 | 0:23:45 | |
Through the Barnes teaching, and Miss De Mazia teaching, | 0:23:46 | 0:23:49 | |
so many hundreds of people have said, "It has changed my life." | 0:23:49 | 0:23:55 | |
All I can say is the people that took the course loved it. | 0:23:55 | 0:23:59 | |
And that to me was a satisfactory reason to perpetuate | 0:23:59 | 0:24:04 | |
the Barnes as it was, which was a school, not a museum. | 0:24:04 | 0:24:08 | |
That's very clear in the Trust indenture. | 0:24:08 | 0:24:11 | |
And that the paintings were hung for didactic purposes, | 0:24:11 | 0:24:14 | |
and not merely because it would be the convenience | 0:24:14 | 0:24:17 | |
of people walking into a museum. | 0:24:17 | 0:24:19 | |
Well, almost immediately after Barnes's death, | 0:24:21 | 0:24:25 | |
the Foundation found itself subject to a frontal assault | 0:24:25 | 0:24:28 | |
by none other than the Philadelphia Inquirer publisher, | 0:24:28 | 0:24:32 | |
multi-millionaire Walter Annenberg. | 0:24:32 | 0:24:34 | |
Annenberg starts this campaign, | 0:24:34 | 0:24:36 | |
"Oh, the Barnes Foundation's not in the public, | 0:24:36 | 0:24:39 | |
"they're violating their tax status as a charity." | 0:24:39 | 0:24:42 | |
Annenberg had all the money in the world, | 0:24:42 | 0:24:44 | |
and he was determined to crush the Barnes. | 0:24:44 | 0:24:47 | |
He didn't dare try to crush the Barnes | 0:24:47 | 0:24:49 | |
when the old man was still alive and was a tough nut to begin with. | 0:24:49 | 0:24:54 | |
When they opened the Foundation - I never knew it was in the works. | 0:25:01 | 0:25:04 | |
The day they opened it, she called me up and said, | 0:25:04 | 0:25:07 | |
"They're letting the public in." | 0:25:07 | 0:25:09 | |
I think she was in tears. | 0:25:09 | 0:25:10 | |
Well, these people crowded in. I mean, one guy was out in an hour. | 0:25:12 | 0:25:16 | |
Said he saw enough fat ladies for a day. | 0:25:16 | 0:25:20 | |
And that was... That's the art lover. | 0:25:20 | 0:25:24 | |
Annenberg is seen as the guy who got the Attorney-General | 0:25:25 | 0:25:28 | |
and the State Supreme Court to make the Barnes Foundation | 0:25:28 | 0:25:31 | |
be open to the public at times that it wasn't supposed to be. | 0:25:31 | 0:25:34 | |
And so Annenberg is seen as taking the first little crack | 0:25:34 | 0:25:38 | |
at Dr Barnes' Trust. | 0:25:38 | 0:25:39 | |
Once everybody's dead, they'll do what they want. | 0:25:40 | 0:25:44 | |
And nobody cares about what it was. | 0:25:44 | 0:25:46 | |
That's why it was important to me to emphasise that it's a school. | 0:25:46 | 0:25:50 | |
I think he always was worried | 0:25:51 | 0:25:53 | |
that the artwork would become so valuable | 0:25:53 | 0:25:56 | |
that it would overpower his educational ideas. | 0:25:56 | 0:26:00 | |
You know, people see art, what do they think? Paintings. | 0:26:01 | 0:26:05 | |
Money, tourism. It's become just the norm for art to be traded. | 0:26:05 | 0:26:10 | |
For blockbuster shows, you know, to trade the art, move it around. | 0:26:10 | 0:26:14 | |
You know, make money off of it. And there's all this... | 0:26:14 | 0:26:17 | |
great art that the museum world doesn't have access to. | 0:26:17 | 0:26:21 | |
We had requests from various museums around the country. | 0:26:22 | 0:26:27 | |
"Would you please lend us two paintings? | 0:26:27 | 0:26:29 | |
"We'll pay all the costs and we'll send armed guards," and whatever. | 0:26:29 | 0:26:33 | |
And De Mazia said, "Right there in the document. | 0:26:33 | 0:26:36 | |
"The paintings will never be removed from the walls. | 0:26:36 | 0:26:39 | |
"Absolutely no, never." | 0:26:39 | 0:26:40 | |
De Mazia was considered to be the last living direct apostle | 0:26:40 | 0:26:46 | |
of Dr Barnes and his method. | 0:26:46 | 0:26:48 | |
And everything went according to Miss De Mazia's wishes. | 0:26:48 | 0:26:52 | |
The atmosphere had always been, it's for the classes. This is what it's for. | 0:26:52 | 0:26:56 | |
Everything about it was personal. De Mazia was a real personality. | 0:26:56 | 0:27:02 | |
It was a hand-made thing in a machine world. | 0:27:02 | 0:27:06 | |
As long as she was alive. | 0:27:06 | 0:27:07 | |
When she died, she was, as I said, 89. | 0:27:18 | 0:27:21 | |
She died on a Friday, in September, at 1:40pm. | 0:27:21 | 0:27:27 | |
Well, everything changed because Miss De Mazia died. | 0:27:27 | 0:27:32 | |
And with her death, the question then is, | 0:27:32 | 0:27:35 | |
"Whose hands would inherit the Barnes?" | 0:27:35 | 0:27:39 | |
Barnes was married, but they had no children. | 0:27:39 | 0:27:42 | |
So no doubt the Academy assumed, | 0:27:44 | 0:27:46 | |
no doubt the University of Pennsylvania assumed | 0:27:46 | 0:27:51 | |
that they would inherit, eventually, control of the foundation. | 0:27:51 | 0:27:54 | |
However, Barnes kept changing his will. Of this there's no question. | 0:27:54 | 0:27:58 | |
But he just didn't tell anyone this. | 0:27:58 | 0:28:00 | |
Albert Barnes created the foundation with five trustees, | 0:28:00 | 0:28:04 | |
with the power to control the foundation. | 0:28:04 | 0:28:07 | |
After the last of the trustees that he had appointed died, | 0:28:07 | 0:28:12 | |
ultimately, Violette De Mazia, the rub then became, who gets to appoint them? | 0:28:12 | 0:28:17 | |
As everyone knows, Barnes was a misanthrope. | 0:28:20 | 0:28:25 | |
He had his delicate ego badly bruised by the Philadelphia establishment | 0:28:25 | 0:28:29 | |
and he had a long and difficult memory. | 0:28:29 | 0:28:33 | |
Ultimately, his will left the control | 0:28:33 | 0:28:37 | |
of the great Barnes art to Lincoln University. | 0:28:37 | 0:28:41 | |
When he got Lincoln there, | 0:28:43 | 0:28:44 | |
it was just the farthest possible imaginable thing in the social scene as it then existed. | 0:28:44 | 0:28:50 | |
Lincoln was, if you were a black man in America, | 0:28:50 | 0:28:55 | |
one of the places to go to get a quality education at a time when there was segregation, and whatnot. | 0:28:55 | 0:29:00 | |
My father was President of Lincoln University and he | 0:29:00 | 0:29:04 | |
befriended Albert Barnes and from that friendship began | 0:29:04 | 0:29:07 | |
a relationship between Lincoln University and the Barnes Collection. | 0:29:07 | 0:29:12 | |
Barnes was one of those rare Americans who was open hearted about black people. | 0:29:12 | 0:29:16 | |
In his factory, he had an integrated working force | 0:29:16 | 0:29:19 | |
when almost no industrial operation in the whole country had that. | 0:29:19 | 0:29:22 | |
He thought, maybe in the back of his mind, | 0:29:22 | 0:29:25 | |
"How could I stick my finger in the eyes of the Philadelphia art establishment? | 0:29:25 | 0:29:29 | |
"I'll show 'em, I'll give it to this little black college." | 0:29:29 | 0:29:31 | |
Whether, you know, his long range objectives were number one, | 0:29:31 | 0:29:35 | |
just getting revenge on the Philadelphia establishment, | 0:29:35 | 0:29:39 | |
I think he said, "Boy, I can trust these people, | 0:29:39 | 0:29:42 | |
"they're not part of that awful establishment that I hate so much." | 0:29:42 | 0:29:46 | |
Fast-forward to 1990. | 0:29:50 | 0:29:52 | |
Lincoln is this state school that doesn't get enough state funding, | 0:29:52 | 0:29:55 | |
that can't raise enough money and if you're a trustee of Lincoln, | 0:29:55 | 0:29:59 | |
Why wouldn't you use this new asset you have to raise some money for your school? | 0:29:59 | 0:30:03 | |
Franklin Williams, this diplomat lawyer, | 0:30:03 | 0:30:07 | |
was named the President of the Barnes Foundation | 0:30:07 | 0:30:10 | |
and he really understood, | 0:30:10 | 0:30:12 | |
as probably most of the Lincoln trustees didn't, | 0:30:12 | 0:30:17 | |
that he and Lincoln were becoming custodians of the world's greatest post-Impressionist art collection. | 0:30:17 | 0:30:23 | |
Franklin Williams established an art advisory committee | 0:30:27 | 0:30:31 | |
of notable people from around the country in the art world. | 0:30:31 | 0:30:34 | |
Franklin Williams wanted to pick the right people, | 0:30:34 | 0:30:37 | |
so I went back and I drew up a list with all these in-people, | 0:30:37 | 0:30:41 | |
but very well-known ones. | 0:30:41 | 0:30:43 | |
Lincoln University felt it really should look to the outside | 0:30:43 | 0:30:47 | |
to help it figure out what to do with this place, | 0:30:47 | 0:30:49 | |
which is a perfectly reasonable thing for them to have done. | 0:30:49 | 0:30:53 | |
It would be a resource to use as they chose, understanding the terms and conditions of Barnes Trust. | 0:30:53 | 0:31:00 | |
And it would have just made both of them flourish. | 0:31:00 | 0:31:03 | |
It would be... it's indescribable, what might have happened. | 0:31:03 | 0:31:07 | |
Also on the Lincoln Board at this time | 0:31:11 | 0:31:14 | |
was this incredibly ambitious lawyer | 0:31:14 | 0:31:18 | |
named Richard H Glanton. | 0:31:18 | 0:31:22 | |
He has designs on being Mayor of Philadelphia, maybe even Senator. | 0:31:22 | 0:31:26 | |
His ambitions know no limit. | 0:31:26 | 0:31:28 | |
Glanton has already been going round telling people that he's going to run the Barnes | 0:31:28 | 0:31:32 | |
but as I say, between Glanton and the Barnes and perhaps many of his other ambitions | 0:31:32 | 0:31:37 | |
is Franklin Williams. | 0:31:37 | 0:31:40 | |
What no one could have anticipated was that almost immediately, | 0:31:40 | 0:31:43 | |
upon becoming President of the Barnes Foundation, Franklin Williams | 0:31:43 | 0:31:47 | |
discovers he has a very virulent form of cancer and within the year is dead. | 0:31:47 | 0:31:51 | |
When I came there, the perception was that this dummy | 0:32:02 | 0:32:06 | |
is fresh meat for us to devour. | 0:32:06 | 0:32:08 | |
He's just a smart political guy but he didn't know anything about art. | 0:32:08 | 0:32:13 | |
So, we'll rule while he reigns. | 0:32:13 | 0:32:17 | |
And... I was not born that way. | 0:32:17 | 0:32:21 | |
I got a call from Richard Glanton, | 0:32:23 | 0:32:25 | |
who said, "Why don't I meet you at The Union League and let me buy you lunch and pick your brain." | 0:32:25 | 0:32:32 | |
I said, "Sure, why not." He said, "I've got big plans for the Barnes. | 0:32:32 | 0:32:36 | |
"We're going to make a lot of money." | 0:32:36 | 0:32:38 | |
And I said, "Why do you need money? We've got the original 10 million in there, | 0:32:38 | 0:32:42 | |
"it's yielding a couple of hundred thousand more than we need to run it, | 0:32:42 | 0:32:46 | |
"what's the point of all of this?" | 0:32:46 | 0:32:48 | |
And Glanton says, "I'm going to put this whole thing on the map. | 0:32:48 | 0:32:52 | |
"I'm going to do whatever it takes to build up as much money as I can." | 0:32:52 | 0:32:55 | |
"Don't worry, Dave, I've got it all figured out." | 0:32:55 | 0:32:58 | |
"Oh, OK, well, if that's the way you're going to run it, | 0:32:58 | 0:33:01 | |
"you're the majority of the trustees now, but thanks for lunch." | 0:33:01 | 0:33:05 | |
Mrs De Mazia, God bless her soul, really did the best she could. | 0:33:06 | 0:33:11 | |
For 50 years, following Barnes's death, or 40 years, the money was mismanaged. | 0:33:11 | 0:33:16 | |
The building had water running in it. | 0:33:17 | 0:33:19 | |
All of the windows were just rotten. The HVAC system didn't work. | 0:33:19 | 0:33:24 | |
We've got conservation problems, we need climate control. | 0:33:26 | 0:33:30 | |
All of which, frankly, as a museum person, | 0:33:30 | 0:33:35 | |
seem perfectly reasonable. | 0:33:35 | 0:33:38 | |
At the time, when we were on this little committee, | 0:33:38 | 0:33:41 | |
it was very clear that you could work out a plan to try to raise money. | 0:33:41 | 0:33:45 | |
Everybody would want to save the Barnes Foundation. | 0:33:45 | 0:33:48 | |
So, that was what we suggested and that's precisely what Richard Glanton did not want to do. | 0:33:48 | 0:33:54 | |
They were about to figure out how to do something that was clearly illegal and unethical, | 0:33:54 | 0:33:59 | |
which was what they did. | 0:33:59 | 0:34:01 | |
Richard loved being President of the Barnes | 0:34:04 | 0:34:07 | |
and he loved all of the sidelines of that - | 0:34:07 | 0:34:09 | |
hobnobbing with the rich and famous, including multi-millionaire, Walter Annenberg. | 0:34:09 | 0:34:15 | |
So, I called Walter. | 0:34:17 | 0:34:20 | |
I said, "I'd like to just talk to you about my ideas at Barnes." He said, "Great." | 0:34:20 | 0:34:25 | |
Water Annenberg, who was a piece of work, was also an art collector. | 0:34:27 | 0:34:32 | |
First-rate collection, but certainly not an adventurous collection, | 0:34:32 | 0:34:37 | |
certainly not an adventurous thinker. | 0:34:37 | 0:34:39 | |
In the last several months, I've had two Japanese interests | 0:34:39 | 0:34:43 | |
after me to sell my whole collection. | 0:34:43 | 0:34:45 | |
My only response has been, | 0:34:45 | 0:34:49 | |
"You're discussing members of my family | 0:34:49 | 0:34:51 | |
"and I'm hardly about to sell members of my family." | 0:34:51 | 0:34:55 | |
It couldn't have been more ironic. Glanton and Walter Annenberg | 0:34:59 | 0:35:03 | |
hit upon the idea of selling Barnes' art. | 0:35:03 | 0:35:08 | |
I said, "I want to raise the funds to restore the gallery, | 0:35:08 | 0:35:12 | |
"to ensure the long-term preservation of the collection, | 0:35:12 | 0:35:15 | |
"and the way that I would do this would be to deaccession a number of paintings | 0:35:15 | 0:35:19 | |
"to raise sufficient cash to cover the cost of the restoration." | 0:35:19 | 0:35:24 | |
And he immediately said, "That's a great idea." | 0:35:24 | 0:35:28 | |
Glanton, basically, did for Annenberg what he wanted to do - | 0:35:28 | 0:35:31 | |
made it totally accessible to him and was going to rip it apart for him. | 0:35:31 | 0:35:34 | |
Up until then, | 0:35:34 | 0:35:35 | |
Annenberg was coming in, trying to undo from the outside. | 0:35:35 | 0:35:39 | |
Now what you had was trustees, the Barnes trustees - | 0:35:39 | 0:35:42 | |
from the inside, the Barnes board itself was saying, | 0:35:42 | 0:35:45 | |
"Oh, we're in dire financial straits. | 0:35:45 | 0:35:47 | |
"We need to undo this indenture. Let us sell the collection." | 0:35:47 | 0:35:52 | |
I have nothing against buying and selling art. | 0:35:54 | 0:35:56 | |
If there is no legal reason not to do it, it's fine. | 0:35:56 | 0:35:58 | |
Dr Barnes did not say that was OK | 0:35:58 | 0:36:00 | |
and therefore it isn't discussable, as far as I'm concerned. | 0:36:00 | 0:36:04 | |
We were outraged. | 0:36:05 | 0:36:07 | |
Glanton didn't care. | 0:36:07 | 0:36:08 | |
And then, when we objected, he fired the whole art advisory board. | 0:36:08 | 0:36:14 | |
The response of the art world was fast and furious. | 0:36:15 | 0:36:18 | |
There was a huge uproar. | 0:36:18 | 0:36:20 | |
Anybody with any familiarity of the cultural world | 0:36:20 | 0:36:23 | |
knew that it was absolutely the last thing that anyone | 0:36:23 | 0:36:27 | |
with any knowledge of a cultural organisation would do. | 0:36:27 | 0:36:30 | |
So even though there was sort of a big push to do that, | 0:36:31 | 0:36:34 | |
it didn't happen, because the museum community got up against it. | 0:36:34 | 0:36:38 | |
Having now failed to convince either the court | 0:36:38 | 0:36:41 | |
or his partners on the Barnes board to allow him to sell art | 0:36:41 | 0:36:45 | |
or to rent art, or deaccession art, | 0:36:45 | 0:36:48 | |
he now comes up with a moment of genius. | 0:36:48 | 0:36:54 | |
When Richard started publicly saying that the foundation | 0:36:56 | 0:37:00 | |
had to raise money, and this is where he started this suggestion, | 0:37:00 | 0:37:04 | |
the fiasco plan of announcing that he would sell some of the art, | 0:37:04 | 0:37:07 | |
in order to justify that, he said, "Come on, I'll show you." | 0:37:07 | 0:37:11 | |
And so I took a tour with him from basement to attic | 0:37:11 | 0:37:15 | |
of the foundation and wrote a story about it. | 0:37:15 | 0:37:18 | |
And so, day after day, week after week, | 0:37:18 | 0:37:21 | |
usually with Richard Glanton as the humble boy scout | 0:37:21 | 0:37:23 | |
taking Lucinda Fleeson, the reporter, through the boiler room | 0:37:23 | 0:37:27 | |
and on top of the roof, readers of the Enquirer were treated to | 0:37:27 | 0:37:30 | |
the saga of the poor old Barnes Foundation. | 0:37:30 | 0:37:32 | |
And it was going to take millions of dollars to fix up the Barnes, | 0:37:32 | 0:37:36 | |
otherwise these paintings... They were just going to fall off the wall. | 0:37:36 | 0:37:39 | |
Work on fear here - weapons of mass destruction, leaky roof... | 0:37:39 | 0:37:42 | |
It sounds like the Johnson story. The building is falling apart. | 0:37:42 | 0:37:47 | |
That was the beginning of the story of "why we can undermine Dr Barnes' will." | 0:37:47 | 0:37:53 | |
Thank you to Lucinda Fleeson and the Enquirer, | 0:37:55 | 0:37:58 | |
he has this marvellous excuse to persuade the court | 0:37:58 | 0:38:01 | |
that the building is in such disrepair | 0:38:01 | 0:38:03 | |
that it's going to have to be closed down for a couple of years. | 0:38:03 | 0:38:07 | |
"Let me take the Barnes art on tour and charge other museums for the privilege." | 0:38:07 | 0:38:13 | |
As a lawyer, there's a provision in the trust that provided | 0:38:13 | 0:38:16 | |
that in fact you could change... It's called "cy-pres." | 0:38:16 | 0:38:20 | |
You can change a provision if it's necessary to carry out the donor's intent | 0:38:20 | 0:38:24 | |
to the least extent possible. | 0:38:24 | 0:38:26 | |
If you can't do exactly the terms of the will, | 0:38:26 | 0:38:29 | |
there's the French term "cy-pres," "cy-pres c'est possible" - | 0:38:29 | 0:38:32 | |
as near as possible, do what the donor wanted. | 0:38:32 | 0:38:34 | |
And how in the world can they fucking think that this is as near as possible...? | 0:38:34 | 0:38:38 | |
This is exactly what he didn't want! Every, every... | 0:38:38 | 0:38:41 | |
ounce of it is what he didn't want. | 0:38:41 | 0:38:44 | |
I was told by everybody that it couldn't, it wouldn't, be done. | 0:38:44 | 0:38:47 | |
"Nobody will do it." I said, "Well, we got to do this." | 0:38:47 | 0:38:51 | |
# Do what you have to and not what you're told. # | 0:38:51 | 0:38:54 | |
Given the quality of the collection, | 0:39:10 | 0:39:13 | |
it created headlines wherever it went. | 0:39:13 | 0:39:16 | |
It created crowds wherever it went. It created money wherever it went. | 0:39:16 | 0:39:20 | |
And all of that was like shovelling coal into the furnace | 0:39:20 | 0:39:24 | |
until the fire was raging. | 0:39:24 | 0:39:27 | |
Everywhere the art went, Richard Glanton went, | 0:39:28 | 0:39:31 | |
and everywhere that Richard Glanton went, he was honoured. | 0:39:31 | 0:39:34 | |
I was treated like a conquering hero in Paris and Toronto | 0:39:34 | 0:39:38 | |
and Fort Worth, Texas. | 0:39:38 | 0:39:40 | |
Dinner seated at the table with Princess Di, | 0:39:40 | 0:39:43 | |
an invitation for her to come to the Barnes, letters from her. | 0:39:43 | 0:39:46 | |
It was literally unbelievable. | 0:39:46 | 0:39:49 | |
I think it was the greatest exhibition in the history of Western civilisation. | 0:39:50 | 0:39:54 | |
The Barnes art now returned to great fanfare and a... | 0:40:05 | 0:40:09 | |
Well, I was going to say the biggest finger in the eye | 0:40:09 | 0:40:12 | |
that you could imagine, but I think that was saved for later, but... | 0:40:12 | 0:40:17 | |
A showing at Philadelphia Museum. | 0:40:19 | 0:40:22 | |
The arch enemy, Satan's lair, revelling in their possession, | 0:40:22 | 0:40:29 | |
temporary though it was, of the Barnes art. | 0:40:29 | 0:40:32 | |
This was the great slap to Barnes - | 0:40:32 | 0:40:34 | |
"Well, we have to show the paintings in Philadelphia, too." | 0:40:34 | 0:40:38 | |
Well, why? | 0:40:38 | 0:40:40 | |
Basically, it raised a lot of money for the art museum. | 0:40:40 | 0:40:42 | |
They had a big Barnes show at the art museum here and they made a lot of money on the back of it. | 0:40:42 | 0:40:47 | |
Everybody involved in this had their own interests. | 0:40:47 | 0:40:51 | |
The only person whose interests had no champion was Albert Barnes. | 0:40:51 | 0:40:56 | |
Everyone had abandoned him. | 0:40:56 | 0:40:58 | |
The paintings come back from the tour and Glanton wants to have this big party. | 0:41:12 | 0:41:16 | |
Glanton's using it exactly the way Barnes didn't want it to be used, | 0:41:16 | 0:41:20 | |
which was as a sort of social backdrop thing. | 0:41:20 | 0:41:22 | |
We're talking all the wealthy people from Philadelphia, | 0:41:22 | 0:41:27 | |
with their Rolls and all this stuff, came to the party, | 0:41:27 | 0:41:30 | |
and they're just all up and down the tiny little Latch's Lane. | 0:41:30 | 0:41:33 | |
The Philadelphia swells came down in droves | 0:41:33 | 0:41:37 | |
and once again, | 0:41:37 | 0:41:38 | |
Richard Glanton basked in the reflected glow of the Barnes art | 0:41:38 | 0:41:43 | |
but what he didn't reckon with was the neighbours. | 0:41:43 | 0:41:47 | |
Chaos. It was absolute chaos. | 0:41:47 | 0:41:49 | |
Nothing had happened like that in the 18 years we'd lived here. | 0:41:49 | 0:41:52 | |
Was this the first of many? | 0:41:52 | 0:41:55 | |
Was this our neighbourhood has now changed to this? | 0:41:55 | 0:41:58 | |
The Barnes Foundation has been here for over 70 years, | 0:41:59 | 0:42:03 | |
lived in perfect harmony with the neighbourhood, | 0:42:03 | 0:42:05 | |
through all these years, and all of a sudden, | 0:42:05 | 0:42:07 | |
it becomes the Super Bowl venue for art. | 0:42:07 | 0:42:10 | |
This is from Quebec, also. This is three buses today from Quebec. | 0:42:11 | 0:42:15 | |
Our neighbourhood | 0:42:15 | 0:42:17 | |
was completely clogged, top to bottom - five days a week, | 0:42:17 | 0:42:20 | |
thousands of people a week were coming, and parking, | 0:42:20 | 0:42:23 | |
and eating on my lawn and parking in my driveway. | 0:42:23 | 0:42:27 | |
It happened to all of us. | 0:42:27 | 0:42:29 | |
My kitchen sink faces the Barnes | 0:42:29 | 0:42:31 | |
and I guess I spend half my life at the sink, | 0:42:31 | 0:42:33 | |
so every time I saw a bus, | 0:42:33 | 0:42:36 | |
I would run out with the camera and videotape it. | 0:42:36 | 0:42:38 | |
"I don't know how you pronounce that, but that's how I feel." | 0:42:38 | 0:42:41 | |
Richard Glanton referred to me that he was being harassed by the KGB. | 0:42:41 | 0:42:45 | |
That was me. I felt very powerful for a moment. | 0:42:45 | 0:42:50 | |
I brought the Barnes out of the dark ages | 0:42:50 | 0:42:52 | |
and opened it up, and it's weird that a few people | 0:42:52 | 0:42:56 | |
refused to accept that. | 0:42:56 | 0:42:58 | |
We went to the township to see about fast-tracking permission to build a parking lot | 0:43:01 | 0:43:07 | |
and Richard very much wanted this parking lot | 0:43:07 | 0:43:10 | |
fast-tracked at this point. | 0:43:10 | 0:43:11 | |
It's a commercial museum in a residential neighbourhood, | 0:43:11 | 0:43:14 | |
and putting a parking lot in at that time would have made it easier for you to operate | 0:43:14 | 0:43:18 | |
a commercial museum in a residential neighbourhood. | 0:43:18 | 0:43:22 | |
We went to a township meeting. All the neighbours went, | 0:43:22 | 0:43:25 | |
and people made speeches at the meeting. | 0:43:25 | 0:43:27 | |
I got up and in my speech, I said I understood, now, | 0:43:27 | 0:43:31 | |
how a carpetbagger works. | 0:43:31 | 0:43:33 | |
A carpetbagger is someone who comes in from another jurisdiction and... | 0:43:33 | 0:43:36 | |
They call judges carpetbaggers when they do that, | 0:43:36 | 0:43:39 | |
and referring to Mr Glanton and his management team, I referred to him and his people, | 0:43:39 | 0:43:43 | |
and that was the end of it. | 0:43:43 | 0:43:45 | |
The township said that they couldn't fast-track a parking lot. | 0:43:47 | 0:43:50 | |
Richard was not happy with that response. | 0:43:50 | 0:43:54 | |
It wasn't about the cars, or the traffic. | 0:43:54 | 0:43:56 | |
It was about something else. It was about being hostile. | 0:43:56 | 0:44:00 | |
I don't know why. I just said, "This is enough. | 0:44:00 | 0:44:03 | |
"I mean, I'm just going to bring this lawsuit." | 0:44:03 | 0:44:07 | |
Dr Herman brought me to his house and said, "Bob, I have something | 0:44:07 | 0:44:10 | |
"but I need you to sit down." | 0:44:10 | 0:44:13 | |
I didn't know what he was talking about. | 0:44:13 | 0:44:15 | |
Because of my use of the word "carpetbagger," and "his people," | 0:44:15 | 0:44:19 | |
they used those two phrases as the basis for a civil rights action. | 0:44:19 | 0:44:25 | |
Glanton ordered the Barnes' lawyers | 0:44:26 | 0:44:29 | |
to begin preparations for a suit against the Lower Merion township | 0:44:29 | 0:44:33 | |
commissioners and the neighbours, under the Federal Ku Klux Klan Act. | 0:44:33 | 0:44:39 | |
They accused us of conspiracy with the township | 0:44:40 | 0:44:44 | |
to deprive them of their rights, but motivated by racial grounds. | 0:44:44 | 0:44:47 | |
They compared not only me but they compared others of us to Hitler. | 0:44:47 | 0:44:50 | |
They showed pictures of people being lynched in South Carolina, | 0:44:50 | 0:44:55 | |
and associated that with the neighbours. | 0:44:55 | 0:44:58 | |
And I'm thinking, "What the devil did I do?" | 0:44:58 | 0:45:01 | |
I got up and I was concerned | 0:45:01 | 0:45:03 | |
that I have buses and I can't get out of my driveway. | 0:45:03 | 0:45:06 | |
What am I doing here, | 0:45:06 | 0:45:07 | |
in the middle of something like this, being called Hitler? | 0:45:07 | 0:45:11 | |
All over Philadelphia, in law firms hither and thither, | 0:45:14 | 0:45:19 | |
the legal fees on all sides mounted | 0:45:19 | 0:45:22 | |
and the Barnes' already skimpy endowment was being drained. | 0:45:22 | 0:45:27 | |
It was just being drained. | 0:45:27 | 0:45:28 | |
They get all this money sending the collection to Paris and Tokyo | 0:45:28 | 0:45:32 | |
and God knows where, and made a huge pile of money, which then was all... | 0:45:32 | 0:45:37 | |
I don't want to say "pissed away." I should say something | 0:45:37 | 0:45:40 | |
more appropriate. You can cut that one out, OK? | 0:45:40 | 0:45:42 | |
Richard Glanton thought that we were just going to fold and say, | 0:45:43 | 0:45:47 | |
"We drop out. We're dropping out." | 0:45:47 | 0:45:49 | |
He just picked the wrong neighbours. | 0:45:49 | 0:45:51 | |
Eventually, the entire case was thrown out. | 0:45:51 | 0:45:53 | |
Judge Brody said there was not one scintilla of racial animus | 0:45:53 | 0:45:58 | |
in any of the evidence the Barnes presented. | 0:45:58 | 0:46:01 | |
In this particular situation, there is not ever a comment | 0:46:01 | 0:46:04 | |
made about us that's not preceded by the word "hostile." | 0:46:04 | 0:46:08 | |
Their PR firm has maintained that we harassed them, | 0:46:08 | 0:46:11 | |
maintained that we sued them. | 0:46:11 | 0:46:13 | |
I mean, if that's what people are going to believe, | 0:46:13 | 0:46:15 | |
that we're harassing them, that we're these terrible people... We've given up trying. | 0:46:15 | 0:46:20 | |
Over a zoning board issue was the Ku Klux Klan Act invoked. | 0:46:20 | 0:46:28 | |
And the mischief that followed is incalculable. | 0:46:28 | 0:46:32 | |
Thus, the whole story turns on the tail of a 52-car parking lot. | 0:46:32 | 0:46:39 | |
The President of Lincoln University is desperate to get Glanton out of there. | 0:46:44 | 0:46:48 | |
And in her fury over the dismissal of the Ku Klux Klan suit, | 0:46:48 | 0:46:55 | |
she prepared a draft letter to the trustees of the Barnes Foundation, | 0:46:55 | 0:47:00 | |
suggesting that it was time to rotate the presidency. | 0:47:00 | 0:47:04 | |
People can have their own views. They are entitled to them. | 0:47:08 | 0:47:11 | |
But... | 0:47:11 | 0:47:13 | |
my story is that it was a second rebirth of Barnes | 0:47:13 | 0:47:16 | |
during my time here as President. | 0:47:16 | 0:47:18 | |
I tried to do something real quick that was different, | 0:47:19 | 0:47:23 | |
because it had to be done. | 0:47:23 | 0:47:25 | |
And I knew I had no time to mess around, because... | 0:47:25 | 0:47:29 | |
What was that dog's name - Cerebus? Guards the gates of hell. | 0:47:29 | 0:47:33 | |
He was after me. | 0:47:33 | 0:47:34 | |
I've been approached about turning the Barnes over | 0:47:35 | 0:47:38 | |
to the Philadelphia Museum of Art on at least two occasions, | 0:47:38 | 0:47:43 | |
and I was approached about turning it over to some other institutions on other occasions. | 0:47:43 | 0:47:48 | |
But I had no intention of reigning while somebody else ruled | 0:47:48 | 0:47:52 | |
and that was, in their view, the end of me. | 0:47:52 | 0:47:55 | |
They laid the groundwork and said the money that was spent on the lawsuits ruined the Barnes, | 0:47:56 | 0:48:01 | |
which is not true. | 0:48:01 | 0:48:02 | |
It had more money than it had when I came in, and a new building. | 0:48:02 | 0:48:07 | |
Curiously, Glanton said to me at the time that... | 0:48:07 | 0:48:12 | |
This is not quite how he put it, | 0:48:12 | 0:48:14 | |
but that he was the bulwark against the establishment stealing the Barnes. | 0:48:14 | 0:48:19 | |
And in a perverse way, | 0:48:21 | 0:48:22 | |
I think that Richard Glanton is absolutely correct about that. | 0:48:22 | 0:48:26 | |
I was just like, "OK, here are the keys." | 0:48:26 | 0:48:29 | |
Go do your masters' bidding, run it into the ground, into a wall. | 0:48:29 | 0:48:35 | |
That's what I wrote to the Attorney General - "They're going to run it into a brick wall." | 0:48:35 | 0:48:40 | |
I'm sure I saw the letter. | 0:48:43 | 0:48:45 | |
I'm not going to say that his predictions were accurate per se. | 0:48:46 | 0:48:50 | |
But once he left, there was not the same level of drive | 0:48:52 | 0:48:58 | |
with those who remained, | 0:48:58 | 0:49:00 | |
and in the long run, I thought that would continue to drag the Barnes down. | 0:49:00 | 0:49:04 | |
And so there we were, with the Barnes board, | 0:49:19 | 0:49:22 | |
minus Richard Glanton, | 0:49:22 | 0:49:24 | |
with the Barnes' already parlous endowment | 0:49:24 | 0:49:26 | |
reduced to virtually nothing. | 0:49:26 | 0:49:29 | |
The Barnes Foundation, without any funds, | 0:49:29 | 0:49:31 | |
without an effective leadership, is sitting in this building | 0:49:31 | 0:49:35 | |
as a sitting duck. | 0:49:35 | 0:49:37 | |
So these forces began to line up and work towards something | 0:49:37 | 0:49:42 | |
that had absolutely nothing to do with what Barnes wanted. | 0:49:42 | 0:49:47 | |
With the agreement between Barnes | 0:49:47 | 0:49:50 | |
and the state of Pennsylvania embodied in a legal document, | 0:49:50 | 0:49:55 | |
all of that was sort of left in a drawer while politicians | 0:49:55 | 0:50:01 | |
and billionaires and cultural mavens and foundations got busy. | 0:50:01 | 0:50:05 | |
The Barnes was given just enough money by the foundations | 0:50:19 | 0:50:24 | |
so that they could claim that they were trying to help the poor old Barnes out, | 0:50:24 | 0:50:28 | |
but that was never, in my opinion, the goal. | 0:50:28 | 0:50:31 | |
Foundations are non-profit corporations. | 0:50:31 | 0:50:34 | |
We're used to hearing about corporate takeovers | 0:50:34 | 0:50:36 | |
with for-profit corporations | 0:50:36 | 0:50:38 | |
but this was a non-profit corporate takeover. | 0:50:38 | 0:50:41 | |
And the first thing you have to do is remake the Board of Trustees, so you have a compliant board | 0:50:41 | 0:50:45 | |
who is on your side. | 0:50:45 | 0:50:47 | |
In the period after Richard Glanton was out, | 0:50:48 | 0:50:51 | |
the foundation was just sort of pottering along. | 0:50:51 | 0:50:54 | |
It was still controlled by Lincoln. | 0:50:54 | 0:50:56 | |
Four of the five board members were Lincoln board members. | 0:50:56 | 0:51:00 | |
The President of the Board of Trustees put on the board by Lincoln | 0:51:00 | 0:51:03 | |
was Bernie Watson. | 0:51:03 | 0:51:05 | |
Watson was very politically connected, | 0:51:07 | 0:51:10 | |
a professional foundation executive. | 0:51:10 | 0:51:13 | |
And he was the Chairman of the City Convention Centre - | 0:51:13 | 0:51:17 | |
the tourist bureau. | 0:51:17 | 0:51:19 | |
In the midst of that steps up these Philadelphia foundations. | 0:51:20 | 0:51:24 | |
They were giving to help them raise... I think it was 150 million. | 0:51:26 | 0:51:30 | |
From the very beginning, Pew's thought was, | 0:51:30 | 0:51:32 | |
"Well, we're going to give you money - we'll get something out of it. We want some control." | 0:51:32 | 0:51:37 | |
It was pretty clear to me they weren't just going to give | 0:51:37 | 0:51:40 | |
50, 70, 100 million without getting control of the Barnes board. | 0:51:40 | 0:51:45 | |
Well, if you're Bernie Watson, your duty was to maintain a connection | 0:51:46 | 0:51:50 | |
between Barnes and Lincoln, because that was part of the trust indenture. | 0:51:50 | 0:51:54 | |
I mean, what does Lincoln have to offer for Bernie Watson? | 0:51:54 | 0:51:57 | |
He makes his living from the sort of institutions | 0:51:57 | 0:52:01 | |
and people who want this thing to happen. | 0:52:01 | 0:52:03 | |
Watson went ahead and negotiated a deal that cut Lincoln out. | 0:52:03 | 0:52:08 | |
The only way for Pew or any other foundation to get control, | 0:52:09 | 0:52:13 | |
to be able to place board members was for the indenture to be changed. | 0:52:13 | 0:52:18 | |
And then they'd go to court and change the rules that Barnes laid down. | 0:52:18 | 0:52:22 | |
Lincoln didn't have a clue Watson and these Philadelphia foundations | 0:52:22 | 0:52:26 | |
had a plan to basically push them aside. | 0:52:26 | 0:52:29 | |
They flipped out. | 0:52:29 | 0:52:31 | |
They got an attorney and tried to intervene and stop it. | 0:52:32 | 0:52:36 | |
There were enough people who were making noises | 0:52:36 | 0:52:39 | |
that the plan was starting to fall apart | 0:52:39 | 0:52:41 | |
to the point where more aggressive tactics needed to be employed. | 0:52:41 | 0:52:48 | |
Ed Rendell, governor at the time, starts to put pressure on Lincoln. | 0:52:49 | 0:52:53 | |
He's the governor. | 0:52:53 | 0:52:55 | |
He controls the purse strings of this state-affiliated institution. | 0:52:55 | 0:52:59 | |
He said, "Look, | 0:52:59 | 0:53:01 | |
"Lincoln, you could be in a rosy position if you go along with this. | 0:53:01 | 0:53:05 | |
"What have you gotten out of Barnes so far?" | 0:53:05 | 0:53:08 | |
Along with Rendell, the Attorney General decides | 0:53:08 | 0:53:10 | |
he's going to help pressure Lincoln, | 0:53:10 | 0:53:12 | |
and the thing that he has is the ability to say, | 0:53:12 | 0:53:16 | |
"You get nothing, Lincoln, if you guys don't play along." | 0:53:16 | 0:53:20 | |
I don't know that we were ever as direct as saying, | 0:53:20 | 0:53:23 | |
"We can take this away from you," because that would take a court, | 0:53:23 | 0:53:27 | |
but I had to explain to them that maybe the Attorney General's office | 0:53:27 | 0:53:30 | |
would have to take some action involving them | 0:53:30 | 0:53:34 | |
that might have to change the complexion of the board. | 0:53:34 | 0:53:38 | |
And whether I said that directly or I implied it, | 0:53:38 | 0:53:42 | |
I think they finally got the message and... | 0:53:42 | 0:53:44 | |
They say - you mentioned it - it was portrayed that I was the bad cop | 0:53:44 | 0:53:48 | |
and the Governor was the good cop. | 0:53:48 | 0:53:51 | |
The Governor had the money. | 0:53:51 | 0:53:53 | |
And he had some money he was willing to add onto it, | 0:53:53 | 0:53:56 | |
so that automatically made him the good cop. | 0:53:56 | 0:53:59 | |
There is some money proposed for Lincoln, | 0:54:05 | 0:54:08 | |
to offset some of the perhaps perceived losses they might have. | 0:54:08 | 0:54:12 | |
As I recall, it was about 40 million and I said, | 0:54:12 | 0:54:15 | |
"You tell me what you want to spend the 40 million dollars on." | 0:54:15 | 0:54:19 | |
That's not a whole lot of money to some schools | 0:54:21 | 0:54:23 | |
but it's a whole lot of money to Lincoln University. | 0:54:23 | 0:54:27 | |
I think that was part of the price of Lincoln letting go. | 0:54:29 | 0:54:33 | |
They weren't blackmailed into agreeing with this at all. | 0:54:33 | 0:54:37 | |
If you ask the board, I made it abundantly clear | 0:54:37 | 0:54:41 | |
to Mr Scott and others that they were getting this money regardless. | 0:54:41 | 0:54:45 | |
They pressured the shit out of them. | 0:54:54 | 0:54:56 | |
And in the end, they caved. | 0:54:56 | 0:54:58 | |
What the Philadelphia foundations did | 0:55:01 | 0:55:03 | |
is what takes place all the time in the corporate world, | 0:55:03 | 0:55:06 | |
which is to take over the board by adding new positions on the board. | 0:55:06 | 0:55:11 | |
You don't go in and kill all the board members that are there - | 0:55:11 | 0:55:14 | |
you just put ten more on so that those five | 0:55:14 | 0:55:17 | |
no longer have a majority. | 0:55:17 | 0:55:19 | |
Watson negotiated a deal that watered-down Lincoln's participation | 0:55:21 | 0:55:26 | |
in the management of the foundation, | 0:55:26 | 0:55:28 | |
yet he betrayed Barnes, I think, first, | 0:55:28 | 0:55:32 | |
but to the extent Lincoln put people on the board thinking, | 0:55:32 | 0:55:35 | |
"You're going to keep Lincoln in the picture." | 0:55:35 | 0:55:38 | |
He betrayed them, too. | 0:55:38 | 0:55:39 | |
They sold Lincoln University for a shekel. | 0:55:46 | 0:55:50 | |
They sold it down the creek, and they had no right to do that. | 0:55:50 | 0:55:53 | |
The Philadelphia establishment, | 0:55:56 | 0:55:59 | |
who he determined that never would they get their hands on this art, | 0:55:59 | 0:56:04 | |
now have it in their hands. | 0:56:04 | 0:56:06 | |
From the public side, for me and every other newspaper reader, | 0:56:10 | 0:56:15 | |
the first thing we got was, | 0:56:15 | 0:56:17 | |
"Oh, all these foundations want to help the Barnes Foundation." | 0:56:17 | 0:56:21 | |
Foundations, they are there to serve public needs. They get tax benefits. | 0:56:21 | 0:56:26 | |
So these places, whether it's Pew or Annenberg or anybody else, | 0:56:26 | 0:56:30 | |
they have public responsibilities. | 0:56:30 | 0:56:32 | |
The responsibility should be, | 0:56:33 | 0:56:35 | |
how do you keep this going? | 0:56:35 | 0:56:37 | |
Not how do you exploit this - how do you preserve it? | 0:56:37 | 0:56:40 | |
They didn't say what their real goal was. | 0:56:43 | 0:56:46 | |
What was their real goal? | 0:56:46 | 0:56:48 | |
'From NPR News, this is All Things Considered. I'm Michelle Norris.' | 0:56:57 | 0:57:02 | |
'And I'm Robert Siegel. | 0:57:02 | 0:57:04 | |
'After two years of legal battles, one of the world's | 0:57:04 | 0:57:07 | |
'leading collections of Impressionist art is getting a new home. | 0:57:07 | 0:57:10 | |
'Today a Pennsylvania judge ruled that the Barnes Foundation | 0:57:10 | 0:57:14 | |
'can move its collection from the suburbs to a new gallery | 0:57:14 | 0:57:16 | |
'in downtown Philadelphia." | 0:57:16 | 0:57:19 | |
'Dr Albert Barnes made his fortune selling pharmaceuticals. | 0:57:20 | 0:57:23 | |
'He spent it acquiring paintings by Matisse, Picasso, | 0:57:23 | 0:57:26 | |
'Renoir, Cezanne and other masters. | 0:57:26 | 0:57:28 | |
'But two years ago, the foundation that oversees the art announced it was broke. | 0:57:28 | 0:57:32 | |
'Since it's prohibited from selling any of the works in its Lower Merion gallery, | 0:57:32 | 0:57:37 | |
'it asked for a court's permission to move the art to a new gallery in Philadelphia | 0:57:37 | 0:57:41 | |
'where it could draw more visitors and raise more money. | 0:57:41 | 0:57:44 | |
'Rebecca Rimel is CEO of Pew Charitable Trusts, | 0:57:44 | 0:57:46 | |
'one of three philanthropies offering to raise 100 million | 0:57:46 | 0:57:50 | |
'for a new gallery, | 0:57:50 | 0:57:51 | |
'and 50,000 to replenish the foundation's depleted endowment.' | 0:57:51 | 0:57:54 | |
'The judge felt, and of course we have felt since the beginning, | 0:57:54 | 0:57:58 | |
'that this is not only honouring the donor's intent but making sure | 0:57:58 | 0:58:01 | |
'the collection will be available for generations to come.' | 0:58:01 | 0:58:04 | |
'Barnes officials were giddy today but admitted there was much to be done | 0:58:04 | 0:58:07 | |
'before the paintings leave Lower Merion for good.' | 0:58:07 | 0:58:11 | |
The foundation became fiscally impossible to sustain | 0:58:12 | 0:58:17 | |
in its current location. | 0:58:17 | 0:58:18 | |
Three or four executive directors came in and tried to make | 0:58:18 | 0:58:23 | |
the Barnes financially sustainable in Lower Merion. They failed. | 0:58:23 | 0:58:28 | |
There were very strict limits on the number of people who could visit. | 0:58:28 | 0:58:31 | |
The community was very hard on being sure those limits were adhered to. | 0:58:31 | 0:58:37 | |
You've got this magnificent collection being hidden away from the world. | 0:58:37 | 0:58:41 | |
Down in Philadelphia, | 0:58:41 | 0:58:42 | |
ten times more people a day can be able to see it. | 0:58:42 | 0:58:46 | |
It's too small. It's too small. The building is too small. | 0:58:46 | 0:58:50 | |
There's such an emphasis on preserving | 0:58:51 | 0:58:54 | |
the artistic ensemble method | 0:58:54 | 0:58:56 | |
that Barnes seemed to favour, of hanging and arranging his paintings, | 0:58:56 | 0:59:01 | |
so I think people will then have the kind of experience that he intended. | 0:59:01 | 0:59:05 | |
And then you have the secondary benefit of what this would do | 0:59:05 | 0:59:09 | |
to continue Philadelphia's drive to be a great tourism destination city. | 0:59:09 | 0:59:14 | |
# There is so much to do So much to see | 0:59:14 | 0:59:16 | |
# There's nowhere that I'd rather be than Philly... # | 0:59:16 | 0:59:19 | |
Visitors here spend over 17 million dollars a day, | 0:59:19 | 0:59:23 | |
so if you have more visitors, and my understanding is | 0:59:23 | 0:59:27 | |
that even looking at it conservatively, | 0:59:27 | 0:59:30 | |
the Barnes located on the Parkway | 0:59:30 | 0:59:32 | |
would be able to accommodate four times as many visitors per year, | 0:59:32 | 0:59:37 | |
so you can start doing the math. | 0:59:37 | 0:59:39 | |
# We can see why Philly's more fun when you sleep over! # | 0:59:39 | 0:59:43 | |
These, I would say, are the key players involved. | 0:59:54 | 0:59:57 | |
The key political backers and financial backers of the move. | 0:59:57 | 1:00:01 | |
Primarily, the Pew Charitable Trusts and its director, Rebecca Rimel, | 1:00:01 | 1:00:06 | |
In consortium with, or as I like to put it, as part of a cabal, | 1:00:08 | 1:00:14 | |
with the Lenfest Foundation - | 1:00:14 | 1:00:16 | |
that's Jerry Lenfest, who has a powerful conflict of interest, | 1:00:16 | 1:00:19 | |
as the chairman of the trustees of the Philadelphia Museum of Art, | 1:00:19 | 1:00:23 | |
supported by Governor Rendell and Mayor Street, | 1:00:23 | 1:00:27 | |
and Leonore Annenberg, the widow of the late Walter Annenberg, | 1:00:27 | 1:00:31 | |
who spent much of the last part of his life | 1:00:31 | 1:00:34 | |
trying to gain possession of the Barnes. | 1:00:34 | 1:00:37 | |
I am sure many among them believe sincerely | 1:00:37 | 1:00:39 | |
that what they're doing will be for the good of Philadelphia. | 1:00:39 | 1:00:43 | |
We're going to build a world-class | 1:00:43 | 1:00:46 | |
centre for the fabulous Barnes Collection, | 1:00:46 | 1:00:49 | |
which has no peer anywhere else on earth. | 1:00:49 | 1:00:52 | |
And I am delighted to be here today with the mayor to make sure | 1:00:52 | 1:00:56 | |
this is done in the appropriate way - with intelligence, with reason | 1:00:56 | 1:01:00 | |
and compassion. | 1:01:00 | 1:01:01 | |
APPLAUSE | 1:01:01 | 1:01:03 | |
My feeling about Philadelphia is that it doesn't do itself justice. | 1:01:06 | 1:01:11 | |
Saying, we need to be a world-class city by stealing an art collection | 1:01:11 | 1:01:17 | |
and bringing it down to what I call a McBarnes in downtown Philadelphia. | 1:01:17 | 1:01:22 | |
This is going to be a great event for the city of Philadelphia. | 1:01:22 | 1:01:25 | |
It will attract literally tens of thousands of visitors, | 1:01:25 | 1:01:29 | |
I'm told, in a given year. | 1:01:29 | 1:01:32 | |
The Barnes Collection on the Benjamin Franklin Parkway | 1:01:32 | 1:01:35 | |
would have the economic impact of three Super Bowls, without the beer. | 1:01:35 | 1:01:40 | |
A city that has any sense of its own identity | 1:01:40 | 1:01:44 | |
doesn't talk about BECOMING a world-class city. | 1:01:44 | 1:01:47 | |
It is what it is. | 1:01:47 | 1:01:48 | |
And this is the world-class of cheerleading, of pep rallies, | 1:01:48 | 1:01:54 | |
and of building a new baseball stadium, | 1:01:54 | 1:01:57 | |
or a convention centre. That's not what art is about. | 1:01:57 | 1:02:01 | |
I see the people attempting to move the Barnes Foundation as vandals. | 1:02:07 | 1:02:11 | |
Tourism and generation of money, greed... | 1:02:13 | 1:02:17 | |
And the Barnes Foundation is an unfortunate victim | 1:02:17 | 1:02:21 | |
of all this bullshit. | 1:02:21 | 1:02:22 | |
We're at 20th and the Parkway, | 1:02:24 | 1:02:27 | |
where they intend to build the new Barnes. | 1:02:27 | 1:02:30 | |
They're having a party here, thinking that they'll go ahead with this plan, | 1:02:30 | 1:02:34 | |
so we're here to confront the people who are paying for this thing, | 1:02:34 | 1:02:38 | |
so we just want them to know it's a bad idea. | 1:02:38 | 1:02:41 | |
Attention, everyone! Attention! | 1:02:41 | 1:02:44 | |
Welcome, welcome, welcome to the predators' ball! | 1:02:44 | 1:02:47 | |
Everyone you see around me | 1:02:47 | 1:02:49 | |
and behind me are participating in a criminal conspiracy | 1:02:49 | 1:02:53 | |
to bring off the greatest theft of art since the Second World War. | 1:02:53 | 1:02:58 | |
We're sort of protesting their party because a lot of these people don't even realise what they are doing - | 1:02:58 | 1:03:03 | |
destroying a man's will, this collection, which half of them don't even have a clue about. | 1:03:03 | 1:03:08 | |
Have fun now! Wait till it's your will! | 1:03:08 | 1:03:12 | |
Barnes was married, never had children. | 1:03:12 | 1:03:15 | |
Never had anyone that could have come in after the fact | 1:03:15 | 1:03:19 | |
and said, "Hey, you screwed my grandfather over - | 1:03:19 | 1:03:22 | |
"I want the paintings." | 1:03:22 | 1:03:23 | |
The grandchildren were the students who showed up 50 years later. | 1:03:23 | 1:03:26 | |
For anyone who's familiar with Dr Barnes' will, | 1:03:26 | 1:03:29 | |
everything that he said, this will be destructive to his creation. | 1:03:29 | 1:03:33 | |
I implore you to vote "no." | 1:03:33 | 1:03:36 | |
The motion passes. Thank you very much. | 1:03:37 | 1:03:40 | |
Right now, The Friends of the Barnes is an organisation with one reason | 1:03:41 | 1:03:44 | |
to exist - to prevent the relocation of the gallery art collection. | 1:03:44 | 1:03:48 | |
It's such a great all-American story. | 1:03:48 | 1:03:50 | |
It's almost a Barnesian story of the heroic little guy | 1:03:50 | 1:03:53 | |
fighting the forces of City Hall and the downtown oligarchy. | 1:03:53 | 1:03:59 | |
-That's what Barnes was doing. -You get a choice here, | 1:03:59 | 1:04:02 | |
to listen to the folks who live near the Barnes Foundation, | 1:04:02 | 1:04:06 | |
who went to school there... | 1:04:06 | 1:04:08 | |
We're going to be happy to have it, but thanks for trying. | 1:04:08 | 1:04:11 | |
Friends of the Barnes | 1:04:11 | 1:04:12 | |
approached the county | 1:04:12 | 1:04:14 | |
and said, "We're struggling. | 1:04:14 | 1:04:16 | |
"We'd like you to come out and be part of this fight to save the Barnes in Montgomery County." | 1:04:16 | 1:04:21 | |
I think it was that point that the momentum began to build | 1:04:21 | 1:04:24 | |
and the residents of Montgomery County had a feeling that | 1:04:24 | 1:04:27 | |
Philadelphia can't just take our art. | 1:04:27 | 1:04:29 | |
So, would the Barnes Foundation, one of the world's greatest art collections, | 1:04:29 | 1:04:33 | |
move from the suburbs to the city of Philadelphia? | 1:04:33 | 1:04:35 | |
As Fox 29's Gerald Kolpan explains, while it appears the legal hurdles | 1:04:35 | 1:04:39 | |
have been cleared, some say, "Not so fast." | 1:04:39 | 1:04:42 | |
'Montgomery County and the local group Friends of the Barnes | 1:04:42 | 1:04:45 | |
'have retained counsel, saying if the Barnes board has raised the money for the move, | 1:04:45 | 1:04:49 | |
'they should have been able to raise the same money to improve the Barnes where it is. | 1:04:49 | 1:04:53 | |
'There are still unknowns in this case.' | 1:04:53 | 1:04:56 | |
No-one knows just how much it'll cost taxpayers. | 1:04:56 | 1:04:59 | |
And no-one knows how hard Montgomery County is willing to fight. | 1:04:59 | 1:05:04 | |
I don't have any respect for the cultural | 1:05:06 | 1:05:10 | |
and political lead of Pennsylvania. | 1:05:10 | 1:05:12 | |
You know, these are grade-B players | 1:05:12 | 1:05:15 | |
who, basically, are doing tourism promotion. | 1:05:15 | 1:05:18 | |
This is the Disneyland of paintings. | 1:05:18 | 1:05:21 | |
That's not what Dr Barnes wanted. | 1:05:21 | 1:05:23 | |
My primary goal is to reopen these proceedings | 1:05:25 | 1:05:28 | |
by filing a petition and persuading this judge | 1:05:28 | 1:05:33 | |
that there were things that he didn't know about, | 1:05:33 | 1:05:35 | |
that if he had known about them, that the outcome would have been different. | 1:05:36 | 1:05:40 | |
What happened is this became a feeding trough for politicians. | 1:05:40 | 1:05:46 | |
The story is that | 1:05:46 | 1:05:49 | |
the Barnes has to move in order to be saved. | 1:05:49 | 1:05:52 | |
It's not true. | 1:05:52 | 1:05:53 | |
People wanted it to happen and they assessed the situation, | 1:05:53 | 1:05:56 | |
they saw what was needed to make it happen, | 1:05:56 | 1:05:58 | |
and were powerful enough to do it. | 1:05:58 | 1:06:00 | |
I'm convinced Judge Ott is a wonderful judge, | 1:06:00 | 1:06:04 | |
and he's going to do the right thing | 1:06:04 | 1:06:05 | |
and find that yes, we can survive in Montgomery County, | 1:06:05 | 1:06:08 | |
and that's where the gallery belongs. | 1:06:08 | 1:06:10 | |
The move is not a done deal. | 1:06:10 | 1:06:12 | |
As far as I'm concerned, this is a deal coming undone. | 1:06:13 | 1:06:17 | |
It was a combination of the establishment forces | 1:06:24 | 1:06:28 | |
and I think they focused on it like Ahab focused on the white whale, | 1:06:28 | 1:06:33 | |
and I think the objective took over. | 1:06:33 | 1:06:37 | |
I don't think that anybody there thinks about Barnes or alternatives | 1:06:37 | 1:06:42 | |
or consequences. | 1:06:42 | 1:06:44 | |
I think that this is the glory they wish to capture. | 1:06:44 | 1:06:49 | |
The reason it was permitted to move to Philadelphia | 1:06:49 | 1:06:52 | |
was because the presentation by the foundation showed | 1:06:52 | 1:06:55 | |
that it was financially not feasible to stay in Montgomery County | 1:06:55 | 1:06:59 | |
and to survive. | 1:06:59 | 1:07:01 | |
It was going down the tubes | 1:07:01 | 1:07:03 | |
and there was no answer to its problems. | 1:07:03 | 1:07:06 | |
If anybody can't fund the Barnes, which is a tiny little budget, | 1:07:06 | 1:07:11 | |
out of the private sector, | 1:07:11 | 1:07:15 | |
then they ought to find another job. | 1:07:15 | 1:07:17 | |
You can't get enough people in because of the restrictions and the parking problems. | 1:07:20 | 1:07:25 | |
They couldn't get enough people into the Barnes to see it, | 1:07:25 | 1:07:28 | |
to make it even close to financially workable. | 1:07:28 | 1:07:30 | |
That's not the way it is any more. | 1:07:30 | 1:07:32 | |
Lower Merion township, on its own, did go ahead | 1:07:32 | 1:07:35 | |
and they changed the zoning restrictions. | 1:07:35 | 1:07:37 | |
The township was able to say to the gallery, "You're allowed to admit | 1:07:37 | 1:07:41 | |
"more persons per day and open the gallery more days per week." | 1:07:41 | 1:07:45 | |
So there is real potential here to bring in more revenue. | 1:07:45 | 1:07:48 | |
There was no movement whatsoever from the foundation, | 1:07:49 | 1:07:52 | |
so they didn't allow themselves to take in more visitors | 1:07:52 | 1:07:54 | |
and to gain more revenue. | 1:07:54 | 1:07:56 | |
And the supposition is the trustees liked it that way, | 1:07:56 | 1:07:59 | |
because they didn't want people to feel the ease of accessing the Barnes, | 1:07:59 | 1:08:04 | |
that they wanted people to say, "Get it out of there - | 1:08:04 | 1:08:06 | |
"bring it to Philadelphia, where we can get into it." | 1:08:06 | 1:08:09 | |
There are a lot of ways this gallery can remain in Montgomery County. | 1:08:09 | 1:08:12 | |
If there was a deal offered to the foundation - | 1:08:12 | 1:08:15 | |
we estimated 50 million - | 1:08:15 | 1:08:17 | |
the county would float a bond for 50 million, | 1:08:17 | 1:08:20 | |
which enables the foundation to have an ongoing endowment | 1:08:20 | 1:08:23 | |
that would allow it to remain in Montgomery County. | 1:08:23 | 1:08:26 | |
You know, in six weeks, the Barnes Foundation | 1:08:26 | 1:08:28 | |
could have 50 million in the bank and, you know, they could be fine. | 1:08:28 | 1:08:33 | |
This was all opened up to the foundation for purposes | 1:08:33 | 1:08:37 | |
of negotiation. "There's a way we can make this work." | 1:08:37 | 1:08:40 | |
We had a response back from the foundation, outright saying "We're not interested in this." | 1:08:40 | 1:08:45 | |
There has to be a reason that they're not interested in responding to that. | 1:08:45 | 1:08:51 | |
They never wanted to raise money. | 1:08:51 | 1:08:53 | |
They wanted this place to go bust. | 1:08:53 | 1:08:58 | |
They wanted it to go bust so that they would have a reason | 1:08:58 | 1:09:01 | |
to bring people in, to dissolve the indenture, | 1:09:01 | 1:09:05 | |
because they could then argue that they couldn't operate | 1:09:05 | 1:09:08 | |
on the basis of the indenture, | 1:09:08 | 1:09:10 | |
and they could do it with impunity | 1:09:10 | 1:09:12 | |
and then get autonomy to operate the way they wanted. | 1:09:12 | 1:09:14 | |
So anybody that tells me | 1:09:14 | 1:09:16 | |
there wasn't the money to keep it where it is...is nonsensical. | 1:09:16 | 1:09:21 | |
The forces wanted it moved, no matter what. | 1:09:22 | 1:09:26 | |
Why wouldn't the great foundations of Philadelphia want to save | 1:09:27 | 1:09:31 | |
the Barnes Foundation exactly where it is? | 1:09:31 | 1:09:34 | |
I mean, they are Philadelphia institutions - | 1:09:34 | 1:09:38 | |
they should want to preserve a Philadelphia institution | 1:09:38 | 1:09:41 | |
as a really original institution. | 1:09:41 | 1:09:45 | |
Why wouldn't they want to do that? | 1:09:45 | 1:09:46 | |
'One of the nation's largest private foundations is now a charity. | 1:09:46 | 1:09:51 | |
'The Pew Charitable Trust control 4 billion in assets. | 1:09:51 | 1:09:56 | |
'The change in status will save Pew millions of dollars in taxes | 1:09:56 | 1:09:59 | |
'and it will have fewer restrictions on how it can spend its money.' | 1:09:59 | 1:10:03 | |
One thing that a public charity has to do | 1:10:03 | 1:10:07 | |
is demonstrate that it has the capacity to raise money. | 1:10:07 | 1:10:12 | |
Coincidentally, Pew stepped forward and said, "We would be happy to be | 1:10:12 | 1:10:16 | |
"the lead foundation to assemble the funds to facilitate | 1:10:16 | 1:10:22 | |
"the move of the Barnes Foundation." | 1:10:22 | 1:10:25 | |
Our application to become a public charity | 1:10:26 | 1:10:29 | |
had absolutely nothing to do with the Barnes. | 1:10:29 | 1:10:32 | |
You know, in court, Rebecca Rimel said, | 1:10:32 | 1:10:36 | |
"Oh, the Barnes Foundation, that's nice, | 1:10:36 | 1:10:38 | |
"but that's not why we did it." | 1:10:38 | 1:10:41 | |
Well, you go look at their application to the IRS, | 1:10:41 | 1:10:44 | |
that's all they talk about, the Barnes Foundation. | 1:10:44 | 1:10:47 | |
Look, charity is big business. | 1:10:50 | 1:10:52 | |
If you're really in it for altruism, you're going to be a pink lady in a hospital, | 1:10:52 | 1:10:57 | |
you're going to be going out, feeding the poor from your church's outreach group. | 1:10:57 | 1:11:01 | |
These people are power-brokers. | 1:11:01 | 1:11:04 | |
Don't for one minute think that if Rebecca Rimel finds, | 1:11:04 | 1:11:07 | |
"I now have 400 million a year to give away, | 1:11:07 | 1:11:10 | |
"and manipulate various things in the state or in the city with what clout I have. | 1:11:10 | 1:11:14 | |
"Boy, can you imagine how much clout I'll have with a billion a year to give away | 1:11:14 | 1:11:18 | |
"instead of only 400 million?" | 1:11:18 | 1:11:20 | |
It was in the filings, the first time we discovered that Pew had now | 1:11:27 | 1:11:31 | |
estimated that the value of the Barnes art was not, | 1:11:31 | 1:11:33 | |
as Glanton had thought, 4.5 billion, or I had thought, 6.5 billion, | 1:11:33 | 1:11:38 | |
but according to the Pew it was 25 billion to 30 billion worth of art. | 1:11:38 | 1:11:42 | |
The three foundations never said that they would give 150 million, | 1:11:44 | 1:11:48 | |
-they said they would -raise -150 million. | 1:11:48 | 1:11:50 | |
-Even if they -gave -150 million, | 1:11:50 | 1:11:53 | |
it's the greatest bargain maybe in the history of the art world - | 1:11:53 | 1:11:57 | |
to get 25 billion worth of irreplaceable Post-Impressionist masterpieces | 1:11:57 | 1:12:03 | |
for what for them is a drop in the bucket. | 1:12:03 | 1:12:05 | |
On a Friday, | 1:12:14 | 1:12:16 | |
in October of 2006, I got an e-mail... | 1:12:16 | 1:12:20 | |
..from someone within the Friends of the Barnes, | 1:12:22 | 1:12:27 | |
saying that squirreled away in the 2001-2002 Budget | 1:12:27 | 1:12:33 | |
of the state of Pennsylvania | 1:12:33 | 1:12:36 | |
was 107 million. | 1:12:36 | 1:12:39 | |
7 million for upgrades of the Merion property, | 1:12:39 | 1:12:43 | |
100 million for the move downtown. | 1:12:43 | 1:12:47 | |
It's amazing to me. In the case, | 1:13:04 | 1:13:06 | |
I called the appropriation the immaculate appropriation, because it had no father or mother. | 1:13:06 | 1:13:12 | |
Nobody knows who asked to put the money in. | 1:13:12 | 1:13:16 | |
So maybe it was divine inspiration. We don't know. | 1:13:16 | 1:13:20 | |
The Budget bill was a very thick piece of legislation | 1:13:21 | 1:13:25 | |
and 99% of the other members of the General Assembly, I'm sure, | 1:13:25 | 1:13:30 | |
didn't know when they voted on that capital budget bill that particular project was in there. | 1:13:30 | 1:13:35 | |
It was never publicised. The judge didn't know. | 1:13:36 | 1:13:39 | |
But the people who were trying to take over the foundation, within that group of people... | 1:13:39 | 1:13:44 | |
..it's... It would be unbelievable that nobody knew. | 1:13:46 | 1:13:50 | |
The rescue operation said, "We will raise 100 million | 1:13:52 | 1:13:56 | |
"to build a new building in downtown Philadelphia for the Barnes Foundation." | 1:13:56 | 1:14:01 | |
The state budget allocated 100 million to build a new building | 1:14:01 | 1:14:07 | |
for the Barnes Foundation in downtown Philadelphia. | 1:14:07 | 1:14:10 | |
What a coincidence! A shocking coincidence. | 1:14:10 | 1:14:13 | |
Somebody with influence got that put in there. | 1:14:13 | 1:14:17 | |
Whoever that person was, or people, or institution, | 1:14:17 | 1:14:20 | |
never let on in court that that money was available. | 1:14:20 | 1:14:25 | |
You come to court, you say, "We're broke, | 1:14:25 | 1:14:27 | |
"there's no other way we can raise the money, we've got to move this collection." | 1:14:27 | 1:14:31 | |
Had the judge known that, "Oh, the state could put up 100 million," | 1:14:31 | 1:14:35 | |
it would have been a whole other story. | 1:14:35 | 1:14:37 | |
Rebecca Rimel professes, "We didn't have anything to do with it." | 1:14:37 | 1:14:41 | |
People involved in the takeover of the Barnes Foundation | 1:14:41 | 1:14:46 | |
knew it was there and kept that information from the court. | 1:14:46 | 1:14:50 | |
Is that a linchpin? Yeah. | 1:14:50 | 1:14:52 | |
What are the surrounding circumstances | 1:14:52 | 1:14:54 | |
that should have been brought to the attention of this judge? | 1:14:54 | 1:14:57 | |
If I was Judge Ott, I'd be furious. | 1:14:57 | 1:15:00 | |
I'd be looking for a way to turn this thing around. | 1:15:00 | 1:15:04 | |
Because he got taken for a ride. | 1:15:04 | 1:15:06 | |
I don't know many judges that like to get duped in their courtrooms. | 1:15:06 | 1:15:10 | |
I don't know many judges that like to be made fools of. | 1:15:10 | 1:15:13 | |
Judge Ott was made a fool of by these people. | 1:15:13 | 1:15:15 | |
So you see all these interlocking relationships, | 1:15:22 | 1:15:25 | |
and if I were a conspiratorial figure, | 1:15:25 | 1:15:28 | |
I'd think an enormous conspiracy is at work here | 1:15:28 | 1:15:32 | |
of monied interest to have their will, to have their way, | 1:15:32 | 1:15:36 | |
to manipulate the Treasury of the state of Pennsylvania, | 1:15:36 | 1:15:40 | |
to manipulate the legal system of Pennsylvania, | 1:15:40 | 1:15:43 | |
to manipulate Dr Barnes' desires and wishes, | 1:15:43 | 1:15:46 | |
to manipulate Lincoln University, | 1:15:46 | 1:15:48 | |
to play on this needy little college so desperate for money | 1:15:48 | 1:15:52 | |
and know that 50 million would blind to their eyes to what was really in their grasp. | 1:15:52 | 1:15:57 | |
I just think they wanted to capture the prize. | 1:15:57 | 1:16:01 | |
And the whole establishment mobilised to that end. | 1:16:01 | 1:16:06 | |
They don't like to have the whole thing questioned. | 1:16:06 | 1:16:09 | |
I think they used to getting their way, and this was the way, | 1:16:09 | 1:16:12 | |
and if you question it, you're standing in the way. | 1:16:12 | 1:16:15 | |
If any major figure within the Philadelphia art world wanted to speak against this idea, | 1:16:21 | 1:16:26 | |
they could kiss the Pew Charitable Trust goodbye, | 1:16:26 | 1:16:30 | |
they could kiss the Lenfest Foundation goodbye, | 1:16:30 | 1:16:32 | |
they could kiss the Annenberg Foundation goodbye. | 1:16:32 | 1:16:35 | |
Perhaps they could kiss their own job goodbye. No-one could speak. | 1:16:35 | 1:16:38 | |
-Yeah, but the news is in here. -That's all I'm asking. | 1:16:40 | 1:16:43 | |
I'm just asking a question. | 1:16:43 | 1:16:45 | |
-And I'm telling you the answer. -You're not giving me an answer. Are news crews allowed in or not? | 1:16:45 | 1:16:50 | |
-If the news are allowed in, though, and we're part of the press, then we should be allowed inside. -No. | 1:16:50 | 1:16:56 | |
So even though the Mayor's office said it was open to the press | 1:16:56 | 1:17:01 | |
-and that we could come... -We're not going to keep talking about it. | 1:17:01 | 1:17:04 | |
Please step out. | 1:17:04 | 1:17:06 | |
People in museums in New York and San Francisco and Chicago | 1:17:06 | 1:17:10 | |
and Dallas and other places didn't say a goddamn word | 1:17:10 | 1:17:14 | |
while all this was going on. I think they were scared. | 1:17:14 | 1:17:17 | |
They were frightened of these foundations who are benevolent | 1:17:17 | 1:17:20 | |
and give great sums of money to all kinds of causes. Some of them have supported the NAACP. | 1:17:20 | 1:17:24 | |
I've often wondered if I'm not endangering my organisation | 1:17:24 | 1:17:27 | |
by complaining about their bad behaviour in this case. | 1:17:27 | 1:17:30 | |
The force of that, in effect, is keeping the Barnes hostage. | 1:17:30 | 1:17:34 | |
Almost overwhelming. | 1:17:34 | 1:17:35 | |
You could ask the simple question, who speaks for the art, | 1:17:35 | 1:17:39 | |
or the legacy of Dr Barnes, when so many powerful political | 1:17:39 | 1:17:45 | |
and economic forces are at work against it? | 1:17:45 | 1:17:51 | |
Yeah, it's a big day. | 1:18:14 | 1:18:16 | |
Today is oral arguments, | 1:18:16 | 1:18:18 | |
which means what both sides have already said to the judge in writing | 1:18:18 | 1:18:22 | |
they're going to repeat, you know, in front of him. | 1:18:22 | 1:18:26 | |
And he'll decide whether to... | 1:18:29 | 1:18:31 | |
grant our petition and convene some hearings to decide | 1:18:31 | 1:18:34 | |
whether the Barnes Foundation should still be permitted to move downtown. | 1:18:34 | 1:18:39 | |
Or he'll pretty much, in essence, throw us out of court. | 1:18:39 | 1:18:44 | |
That'll be bad news. | 1:18:44 | 1:18:47 | |
It's all in Stanley Ott's hands. | 1:18:48 | 1:18:50 | |
If Stanley wants to undo it, he can undo it. | 1:18:50 | 1:18:54 | |
He can say he was given a lot of baloney the first time through | 1:18:54 | 1:18:58 | |
and the record can now be set straight | 1:18:58 | 1:19:01 | |
and it deserves to be set straight. And I think he's a good enough judge to make that decision. | 1:19:01 | 1:19:06 | |
We have an obligation to do what Dr Barnes wanted us to do | 1:19:06 | 1:19:09 | |
and I think that's the essence of this whole thing - | 1:19:09 | 1:19:12 | |
that not enough was done to fully explore what can be done to keep the Barnes where it is. | 1:19:12 | 1:19:16 | |
Some people, like Friends of the Barnes, won't let that happen. | 1:19:16 | 1:19:19 | |
Hopefully, they'll be successful. | 1:19:19 | 1:19:21 | |
Unfortunately, the thing has gotten to be a big political football. | 1:19:24 | 1:19:27 | |
And it never should have gotten there. | 1:19:27 | 1:19:29 | |
In that sense, Richard Glanton was absolutely right. | 1:19:29 | 1:19:32 | |
Glanton said, when I asked him what it's all about, he said, | 1:19:32 | 1:19:35 | |
"It's about who controls 4.5 billion worth of art | 1:19:35 | 1:19:39 | |
"and everything else is bullshit." | 1:19:39 | 1:19:41 | |
Well, no, Richard was wrong. | 1:19:41 | 1:19:45 | |
It's about who controls 25 billion worth of art | 1:19:45 | 1:19:47 | |
and everything else is bullshit. | 1:19:47 | 1:19:49 | |
Well, Wednesday night, I got home, and there was an e-mail on my computer. | 1:20:29 | 1:20:34 | |
The subject heading was that the judge had issued his decision. | 1:20:34 | 1:20:38 | |
He apparently has decided that he's not going to conduct... | 1:20:39 | 1:20:43 | |
He's not going to investigate any of the... | 1:20:43 | 1:20:48 | |
any of the matters that our petition brought to the court's attention. | 1:20:48 | 1:20:52 | |
He had declined to order new hearings by declaring | 1:20:52 | 1:20:55 | |
that none of the petitioners - the Friends of the Barnes Foundation and Montgomery County - | 1:20:55 | 1:21:00 | |
had standing to intervene in the matter. | 1:21:00 | 1:21:02 | |
I don't think the judge or the trustees of the Barnes Foundation | 1:21:22 | 1:21:26 | |
or anybody who's supporting the move, who sincerely supports the move, | 1:21:26 | 1:21:32 | |
the gallery downtown, that they understand what it is they're doing. | 1:21:32 | 1:21:37 | |
It'll be a tragedy and it'll be a tragedy long remembered. | 1:21:39 | 1:21:42 | |
This is not some minor thing. | 1:21:42 | 1:21:44 | |
It's not often in life you get to really try hard for something you deeply believe in | 1:21:47 | 1:21:52 | |
and I've gotten a chance to do that. | 1:21:52 | 1:21:55 | |
I would much rather be celebrating this than... | 1:21:57 | 1:22:01 | |
than... | 1:22:01 | 1:22:04 | |
whatever the opposite of celebrating is. Mourning. | 1:22:04 | 1:22:08 | |
So the city gets its tourist venue. | 1:22:15 | 1:22:18 | |
The Governor does, too. The Governor makes his friends at Pew happy. | 1:22:20 | 1:22:23 | |
Pew gets to control the art. | 1:22:23 | 1:22:26 | |
Gerry Lenfest, of the Lenfest Foundation, | 1:22:26 | 1:22:29 | |
is the chairman of the museum. The museum finally, in effect, gets the art. | 1:22:29 | 1:22:33 | |
It's virtually an appendage. | 1:22:33 | 1:22:35 | |
And Annenberg people get Walter and Leonore's dream. | 1:22:35 | 1:22:39 | |
And if it's not the destruction of the Barnes Foundation, what is it? | 1:22:39 | 1:22:44 | |
Sort of expect there will be an Annenberg and Lenfest in a Pew wing of this new Barnes building. | 1:22:50 | 1:22:55 | |
At some point, Barnes will somehow be... | 1:22:55 | 1:22:58 | |
I guess you'll probably get a sweatshirt or something with his name on it. | 1:22:58 | 1:23:02 | |
But that will be about it. | 1:23:02 | 1:23:04 | |
Maybe that's a way of having Philadelphia come back to the forefront | 1:23:15 | 1:23:18 | |
and be one of the leading cities. It'll be the leader in showing people how to break trusts | 1:23:18 | 1:23:23 | |
and had to break trusts with the public. | 1:23:23 | 1:23:25 | |
Maybe that's a good, new role for Philadelphia. | 1:23:25 | 1:23:28 | |
They could have a... Ring a special liberty bell for it. | 1:23:28 | 1:23:31 | |
I think not only will Barnes be violated by having it moved, | 1:23:40 | 1:23:44 | |
he will be violated in the experience he wanted you to have. | 1:23:44 | 1:23:48 | |
And that's important, because it was his art. It belonged to him. | 1:23:48 | 1:23:52 | |
He had the right to do with it as he chose. | 1:23:52 | 1:23:56 | |
And these people, these vandals, stepped in and took it away from him. | 1:23:56 | 1:24:00 | |
These are not people concerned about the art. | 1:24:12 | 1:24:14 | |
These are people who are concerned about money and power, | 1:24:14 | 1:24:19 | |
and who would destroy what is... | 1:24:19 | 1:24:25 | |
a perfect jewel box... | 1:24:25 | 1:24:28 | |
..and also a kind of... a living piece of history. | 1:24:30 | 1:24:36 | |
To walk into the Barnes is to see the art as Barnes, | 1:24:39 | 1:24:43 | |
for all of his greatness and all of his foibles, had it. | 1:24:43 | 1:24:47 | |
And it is, in its way... | 1:24:48 | 1:24:51 | |
..perfection. | 1:24:53 | 1:24:55 | |
Matisse said it was the only sane place to see art in America. | 1:25:00 | 1:25:03 | |
I'll wager Matisse against Bernie Watson | 1:25:05 | 1:25:08 | |
and Rebecca Rimel any day. | 1:25:08 | 1:25:11 | |
And I bet Dr Barnes would too. | 1:25:13 | 1:25:15 | |
I think he might say, "Let Matisse speak for me." | 1:25:15 | 1:25:17 | |
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