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This programme contains scenes which some viewers may find upsetting.

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Can you imagine being a little boy

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and watching men and women come and take your mother

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and going and talking to people and asking them where she was?

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Begging for her to come back?

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The children lived in fear, the family was broken up,

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and they couldn't find their mother.

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And they went on and on, looking for their mother over the decades.

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Jean McConville, a widow and mother of ten,

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was killed and secretly buried by the IRA.

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She would become known as one of the Disappeared.

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Others disposed of in the same way remain missing.

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They are thought to be buried in bogs somewhere in Ireland.

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I lay waiting between turf-face and demesne wall.

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Between heathery levels and glass-toothed stone.

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My body was Braille for the creeping influences.

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Dawn suns groped over my head and cooled at my feet.

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Through my fabrics and skins, the seeps of winter digested me.

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The illiterate routes

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pondered and died in the cavings of stomach and socket.

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I lay waiting on the gravel bottom, my brain darkening...

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If there was a hierarchy of victims of the Troubles,

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the Disappeared were at the bottom.

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The invisible dead.

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Killing them wasn't punishment enough.

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I want to know why they were killed

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and their bodies hidden from their families.

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And who was responsible?

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And, above all, I want to put these questions to the republican movement

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and it's leader Gerry Adams,

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seen here in 1970 as a young IRA volunteer

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and, for the last 30 years, the president of Sinn Fein.

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I have learnt from a top republican source

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that you were in fact the Belfast brigade commander

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when Jean McConville was taken and executed

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and that you in fact were ultimately responsible for her fate.

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That's not true, Darragh.

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Do you bear any responsibility for what happened to these people?

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All of us bear a responsibility,

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those of us who are in leadership, and I have never shirked that.

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The explosion of violence from 1969

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forced thousands out of their homes.

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Housing became rigidly segregated,

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areas dominated by one religion or the other.

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A Protestant, Jean McConville, made the mistake

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of marrying a Catholic and raising their children in his faith,

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but in the wrong place and at the wrong time.

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There was ten of us, all in the one bedroom.

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Like ten wee rats, so we were!

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At that point of life, we hadn't got much, but we had each other.

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But in these unreasonable times, mob culture prevailed

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and the family wasn't safe.

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Protestant people came to the house and, first of all,

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they put my father out, so they did, and four weeks later,

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then they told us to get out.

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The McConvilles were forced to move

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from Protestant East Belfast to the Catholic West.

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They set up home in the newly built Divis Flats.

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But the McConvilles were people apart here too.

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Most of their neighbours had lived in this area, the Lower Falls,

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for generations, with dense family networks.

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The McConvilles were strangers in a strange place.

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If there was an epicentre for the conflict, it was here.

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This was a war zone.

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GUNFIRE

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Children, mothers, families,

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were caught between the British Army and the IRA.

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GUNFIRE

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You've shot a child, you pigs, ye!

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Ah, she's not shot, she's all right.

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'They made all the Divis Flats and all Catholic places all no-go areas.

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'There was gun battles going on.

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'And bombing.

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'A shooting was nothing.'

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It was just part of growing up, what I thought, when I was a kid,

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just growing up in these times, this is the way life was.

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'At that point of life all I was interested was in pigeons.

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'Although all the bad things was happening around the Divis Flats,'

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I think we were still happy then.

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1972 was just days old when Michael's father died of cancer.

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Mother Jean was left to raise the ten children alone.

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Later that year, behind the closed doors of her home,

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Jean McConville suffered a nervous breakdown.

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Outside, the war intensified,

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and alongside it, an atmosphere of suspicion and paranoia.

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Few would even make eye contact with soldiers.

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What are you lifting me for?

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Complete loyalty was demanded by the IRA.

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It was given freely by most.

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MUSIC: "Coz I Love You" by Slade

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There were odd contradictions in the early days.

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The army ran discos in nearby bases.

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You're both Catholic girls

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who've come for a night out with British soldiers.

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Isn't that a dangerous thing to do in your circumstances?

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It is, yes.

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But, erm, we still take the risk, we think it's worth it.

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Catholic girls knew they could pay a big price for a good night out.

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Tarring and feathering.

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These were wartime rules, with the IRA exerting strict social control.

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Jean McConville's children

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say their mother came to the attention of the IRA

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because she helped an injured British soldier.

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GUNFIRE

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My mother put a cushion under his head.

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My mother would have helped anybody,

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that's just the type of person she was.

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That's where it all started to go wrong for us.

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The McConvilles believe their mother was in the IRA's sights

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from that night.

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Six and two, 62!

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Soon after, Jean was at the local bingo and got called out.

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She was told that one of her children had been injured

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and a car was waiting to take her to the hospital.

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It was a trap.

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The IRA took her away and interrogated her.

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In the early hours of the morning, she was found wandering the streets,

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beaten and disorientated.

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Her daughter Agnes remembers her coming home.

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'There was a lot of blood on her.

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'Her face was all swollen and everything, black and blue.'

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And all she could say was... When we got her settled,

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got her a cup of tea and gave her cigarettes.

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And must have smoked the cigarettes one after another and drank the tea,

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and she started to get sick, so she did, with her nerves.

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Later that day, the IRA came back for Jean.

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Around tea time, a rap came to the door.

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She was in the bathroom getting washed,

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and the next thing they were shouting,

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"Where is she, where is she?"

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All the people just barged into the house.

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There were some of these people had a mask on,

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some of them hadn't got a mask on.

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She was squealing, squealing her head off,

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she was shouting, "Help me, help me."

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All of us were just wrapped round her.

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All crying and squealing.

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I remember one of the girls talking, so I do,

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which I knew, cos she hadn't got a mask on,

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but she used to be a neighbour of ours.

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Her and her sister was there.

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They kept trying to calm us down cos they knew us,

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and they knew us by name.

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Michael's older brother Archie followed their mother outside

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until the IRA put a gun to his head and ordered him away.

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We could hear her squealing, still squealing,

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and we looked over the banister in Divis Flats,

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and there she was getting thrown into the back of a van.

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And that was the last time...I actually seen her.

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I think it was about five days later,

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an IRA man came to the door and rapped the door,

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and, eh, handed...

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my mother's purse...

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and her wedding rings.

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We asked where my mother was

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and they just says, "Look, I was just told to bring these rings to you.

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"I know nothing about it."

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And that was it. Walked away.

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I knew she wasn't going to come back.

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I knew straightaway.

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And when the purse and all came through, I said, no return.

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Michael says he then got a direct threat from the IRA -

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"Say nothing, or else."

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He says a gang of boys from the IRA's youth wing, Na Fianna, abducted him.

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They pulled a hood over my head.

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It was the sleeve of a jumper,

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a woolly jumper, cos I could see through the mask.

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They took me down out of the Divis Flats into a house.

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They tied me to the chair.

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They were hitting me with sticks.

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They were putting a gun to my head

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and they says they were going to shoot me.

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I'd looked out the side of my eye and there was a man

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and he was telling the younger ones what to do with me.

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So they had me for, I would say, for about three hours

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and they says they were going to shoot me.

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If I told anything about any member of the IRA,

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they would shoot me or shoot some more family members.

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They fired a gun -

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a cap gun -

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and of them stuck a penknife into my leg.

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They took me over to the Divis Flats and let me go at the stairs.

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I hobbled up the stairs into the house.

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I had just turned 11 at the time.

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The children waited for news of their mother.

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It was coming up to Christmas,

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and that Christmas, I realised there was no Santa Claus.

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The Christmas came and went.

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It was fully six weeks after Jean's disappearance

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that newspapers caught up with the story.

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It was front page across Ireland - TV cameras followed.

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Agnes, eh, you were in the night your mummy disappeared,

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can you tell me what happened?

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My mummy was over at my granny's

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and she just came over

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and four young girls came in into the hall,

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she was only coming into the kitchen, and they came in,

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they ordered all the kids up the stairs

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and they just walked in and they took my mummy.

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Do you know why your mummy went away? Why she was taken away?

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No. She never done anything, so she never.

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She'd never done anything anybody...

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She was with us in the house, at nights she just went to bingo.

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When do you think you'll see your mummy again?

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Don't know.

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We keep our fingers crossed and pray hard for her coming back.

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Can you remember what she was wearing that night?

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I can remember her wearing red shoes.

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And a tweedy coat, so I can.

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And the head scarf.

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She put on her coat and her scarf,

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she had on her red slippers and blue trousers,

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an orange check coat and a brown and white jumper.

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Even in the madness of the times, this was a sensational story,

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and might have run for weeks.

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But Republicans concocted a lie.

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And a message was sent out - Jean McConville wasn't being held captive,

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just in hiding because of publicity.

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She had been murdered weeks earlier,

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but the lie worked.

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The headlines were amended. The public had been conned.

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And the McConvilles had been wronged - again.

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The children were hearing a different story on the streets.

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Children growing up round Divis Flats would hear

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what their parents were saying -

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"Your mummy's a tout and your mummy's this and your mummy's that,

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"and your mummy will never be back," and all this here, you know.

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She's gone with a British soldier.

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This wasn't coming from the adults, this was coming from the children.

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The McConvilles were now outcasts.

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They had no-one to fall back on.

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And within months, the children were scattered into care homes

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across Northern Ireland.

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These welfare notes of one of the children

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have just been released to the family.

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They confirm in official documentation

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just exactly how isolated they were.

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The first note goes to the 13th of December '72.

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Days after their mum has been taken away.

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An official with the Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Children

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phones to say that this family have been apparently

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looking after themselves for the past four or five days -

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a group of children aged between 16 and six -

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since their mother "has apparently been abducted by an organisation."

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Now, isn't that astonishing?

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Within DAYS...the word was out.

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This is on official documentation.

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A note is made here that the "neighbours, etc,"

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are "unsympathetic" towards her.

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That's the mother, Jean. Although less so towards the children.

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We have reports of the parish priest in the run up to Christmas

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saying he's aware of the circumstance

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but being described here as being "very unsympathetic towards the family and their plight."

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The parish priest apparently says he would call but didn't think he would help.

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We're seven days out of Christmas.

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Jean McConville was not the only person

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disappeared by the IRA in 1972.

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The IRA took and buried three of their own men that same year.

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Joe Lynskey,

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Seamus Wright,

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and the youngest of them all -

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17-year-old Kevin McKee.

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# If you hate the British Army, clap your hands

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# If you hate the British Army, hate the British Army,

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# Hate the British Army, clap your hands! #

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Kevin McKee, like many of his age,

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had progressed from stone throwing into more serious violence.

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He was a member of the IRA's youth wing, Na Fianna, in Ballymurphy, West Belfast.

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This was Republican base camp.

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The home place of Gerry Adams - where kids fell into line.

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Kevin's sister Marie saw it all.

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To me, he was just like all the other teenagers.

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He didn't do nothing different to what everyone else was doing.

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Throwing stones, breaking things up

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they used to put Union Jacks up a lot,

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and they'd scale up to the very top,

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and take the Union Jack down

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and set fire to it and then everyone clapped.

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Kevin was, no matter what they say he done, he was a child.

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He was 17 years of age.

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Maybe there was other things going on that I wasn't aware of,

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because I was too young,

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but to me Kevin was doing what everybody else done.

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When Kevin joined the IRA's Belfast 2nd Battalion,

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Richard O'Rawe joined with him.

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I knew Kevin very well, very well.

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Kevin was a lovely lad, if the truth be told.

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I lived just on the next street,

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we were very, very close in terms of our friendship.

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Kevin was the first person that I ever had a drink with

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and I wasn't allowed to drink.

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My father allowed me to join the IRA but he wouldn't allow me

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to have a bottle of beer.

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What was in your head though, when you went out there and signed up?

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I was an Irish patriot.

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You saw yourself as a freedom fighter?

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Nothing else.

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As far as I was concerned, this was about freeing Ireland from Britain.

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Things went awfully wrong for Kevin McKee shortly afterwards.

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He and another IRA man, Seamus Wright,

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were recruited by British Army intelligence.

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But the IRA found out about them and the two men confessed.

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Well, it was bad business.

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He went from being an IRA volunteer

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to being actively involved in anti-IRA activities for the enemy.

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No matter what way you look at it, he was a traitor.

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You look back and you say...what was it all about?

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Kevin McKee and Seamus Wright revealed to the IRA

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details about a covert British Army operation,

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in which a mobile laundry van called the Four Square

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was used to spy on the IRA.

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The IRA then ambushed the van, killing a British soldier.

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It was a propaganda coup for the Republicans.

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Kevin may have thought his role

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in exposing the army spying operation had saved him,

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but the IRA came knocking anyway.

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I had said to him, "The IRA's been looking for you."

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He says, "I've done nothing wrong."

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I says, "Well, they're definitely looking for you

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"and I'm just warning you off."

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And it was then I took a photograph of him and that was it.

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And that was the day that the IRA said he was under arrest.

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I never seen him again.

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That was the last.

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The family said nothing to the police because they were afraid

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and because of rumours - thought to have been spread by the IRA -

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that Kevin was staying away of his own accord.

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Those rumours suited the IRA.

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All you heard was, "Oh, we seen Kevin."

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If you went to ask anybody - "Oh, we seen him."

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You know, he was in art school or something like that.

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And then somebody said they seen him in England.

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It was too much for Kevin's mother Mary -

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she suffered a nervous breakdown.

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My sister didn't want to accept it.

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Didn't want to accept that there was something wrong, so...

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I think she built it all up inside her,

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hoping that he was coming back every day.

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She imagined him places.

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She stopped cars. Asked to check the boots.

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And she was running everywhere looking for him,

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and getting us to come and getting the kids out of the house,

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getting their coats on at night -

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"He might be here and he might be there."

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And the kids were running about in the cold in the winter.

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So you were trying to deal with losing your brother

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and then you were trying to deal with your mother losing her mind

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over losing her son.

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The IRA held the men for weeks.

0:25:430:25:45

Then one Friday, a surprise call to Mary McKee from her son

0:25:470:25:51

gave her hope.

0:25:510:25:53

He was calling from a town just across the border

0:25:530:25:56

in the Irish Republic.

0:25:560:25:57

My sister got a phone call - he was down in Monaghan

0:25:590:26:02

and ringing from a priest's house,

0:26:020:26:04

and he asked his mother if she'd come up.

0:26:040:26:06

And that was on a Friday, and she's says,

0:26:060:26:08

"You'll have to wait till Monday",

0:26:080:26:10

because she didn't have a clue what was going on -

0:26:100:26:12

she was in and out of the mental hospital.

0:26:120:26:15

She didn't tell us till the Monday.

0:26:150:26:16

When the family eventually set off to Monaghan, three days later,

0:26:200:26:24

they expected to be reunited with Kevin.

0:26:240:26:27

Me and my sister went down and my husband Jim along with Mary,

0:26:280:26:33

brought him down clothes, and when we went to the door

0:26:330:26:35

the man said, "He's not here.

0:26:350:26:36

"He has just left and yous can take your clothes back with yous."

0:26:360:26:39

I've discovered that house where Kevin McKee,

0:26:450:26:47

possibly with Seamus Wright, was staying in.

0:26:470:26:50

A terraced house in Monaghan Town.

0:26:510:26:53

It was the home of Fergal O'Hanlon,

0:26:580:27:01

a legendary IRA figure from the 1950s.

0:27:010:27:04

The McKees say that it was his father that answered the door to them after Kevin phoned.

0:27:040:27:10

I don't think Kevin knew that he was going to his death.

0:27:100:27:14

I don't think so.

0:27:140:27:16

Cos he wouldn't have asked for his clothes if he had've.

0:27:160:27:18

Four decades later, Kevin's aunt and his sister Phil

0:27:210:27:25

are going back to Monaghan, to the house that Kevin called them to.

0:27:250:27:30

They're hoping for information that might help them find his remains.

0:27:330:27:37

Ohhh.. Just a bit of a feeling coming over me, you know.

0:27:400:27:45

Whenever you know you are coming to the spot that he was.

0:27:450:27:47

The last spot that we know where he was.

0:27:470:27:50

A sister of Fergal O'Hanlon's lives in the house now.

0:27:530:27:57

She had nothing to do with what happened to Kevin,

0:27:570:28:00

but the McKees have written to her requesting a meeting.

0:28:000:28:03

How did you feel in there?

0:28:100:28:11

I was actually crying. I says, "To think that Kevin was here."

0:28:110:28:15

She said, "Are you sure it was my father?"

0:28:150:28:17

I said, "Yes, he addressed himself as Mr O'Hanlon."

0:28:170:28:19

But she had no notion that her house was where Kevin was last heard of?

0:28:190:28:23

No, she said, "Definitely, it's the first she's heard of it."

0:28:230:28:26

He's missed by everybody

0:28:290:28:31

and we just want to get his body back

0:28:310:28:33

so that we can put his name on the grave

0:28:330:28:35

and we can pray and just go up and tell him how sorry we are

0:28:350:28:39

that we weren't there that Friday.

0:28:390:28:41

So terrible me not going up that Friday.

0:28:420:28:45

I feel awful Mary didn't tell us, you know, the Friday.

0:28:450:28:48

SHE SIGHS HEAVILY

0:28:540:28:56

The McKee's never heard from Kevin again.

0:28:590:29:03

Seamus Wright also vanished.

0:29:030:29:05

The practice of disappearing inconvenient bodies in the Irish countryside

0:29:120:29:17

goes back to the 1920s and the Irish War of Independence.

0:29:170:29:22

The practice was resurrected by the IRA in 1972.

0:29:220:29:27

Traditionally alleged informers were shot dead -

0:29:280:29:32

bodies displayed on roadsides - as examples to all.

0:29:320:29:36

The rules for informants are the same the world over.

0:29:360:29:39

Veteran Republican Billy McKee knows those rules.

0:29:400:29:44

He helped set up the Provisional IRA in 1969.

0:29:440:29:47

I was OC Belfast Brigade.

0:29:500:29:52

You were the boss man? Mm.

0:29:520:29:54

Did you have many people working with you?

0:29:550:29:58

Were there many in the IRA at the time?

0:29:580:30:01

The IRA was never as strong since 1920,

0:30:010:30:05

as it was when I was in charge.

0:30:050:30:08

From your perspective - people knew the rules?

0:30:100:30:13

Yes, you were warned about it when you joined the IRA.

0:30:130:30:17

You were told all...what could happen to you, you could be arrested,

0:30:170:30:21

imprisoned, beaten, taken away, shot dead somewhere...

0:30:210:30:25

But you were warned not to inform.

0:30:270:30:30

And you were told what the penalty was.

0:30:300:30:33

At the time of the 1972 disappearances,

0:30:330:30:37

Billy McKee was in jail and no longer in charge.

0:30:370:30:41

Looking back, what was the point of disappearing people?

0:30:410:30:45

I couldn't tell you. I wasn't in command.

0:30:450:30:48

I'd no say in the matter.

0:30:480:30:50

I wasn't approached about it.

0:30:500:30:52

It was up to the people that were in charge

0:30:520:30:55

to do what they thought was right.

0:30:550:30:57

They thought they were doing right. Well, it's up to them.

0:30:570:31:00

Billy McKee was from an older generation of IRA activists.

0:31:020:31:05

Gerry Adams was part of the next generation -

0:31:070:31:10

though he's always denied being a member.

0:31:100:31:13

Gerry Adams says he wasn't in the IRA.

0:31:130:31:15

Gerry Adams's speaking for himself.

0:31:150:31:19

Was Gerry Adams in the IRA?

0:31:190:31:22

Ask him will he come up and say that to me face to face.

0:31:220:31:25

I understand that Gerry Adams joined the IRA around 1966.

0:31:290:31:34

He rose up the ranks quickly.

0:31:340:31:37

Here he is accompanied by senior IRA men

0:31:370:31:40

at the funeral of a volunteer in 1970.

0:31:400:31:42

Interned in Long Kesh prison camp -

0:31:450:31:47

in June, 1972, the 23-year-old was released to represent the IRA

0:31:470:31:53

in talks with the British government.

0:31:530:31:55

Later that same year - the bloodiest of the conflict -

0:32:010:32:04

he was promoted to the post of OC - Officer Commanding -

0:32:040:32:09

the top rank in the Belfast Brigade of the IRA.

0:32:090:32:12

Former IRA members from that era that I have spoken to,

0:32:150:32:18

say that he was in charge there

0:32:180:32:20

when Jean McConville was taken in December that year.

0:32:200:32:24

Today Gerry Adams leads Sinn Fein

0:32:240:32:26

and can claim to be the head of Irish Republicanism.

0:32:260:32:29

Over the course of The Troubles at least 16 people were disappeared,

0:32:330:32:37

15 of them by the IRA, who finally stopped the practice in 1981.

0:32:370:32:43

The IRA's governing army council is said to have ordered an end to it.

0:32:450:32:50

As for those disappeared -

0:32:530:32:56

they were swallowed up in the silence of their unmarked graves.

0:32:560:32:59

I knew winter cold Like the nuzzle of fjords At my thighs -

0:33:030:33:06

The soaked fledge, the heavy Swaddle of hides.

0:33:070:33:10

My skull hibernated In the wet nest of my hair.

0:33:140:33:17

It was the IRA ceasefire of 1994 that changed everything.

0:33:270:33:32

With the guns silent,

0:33:320:33:34

the families of the disappeared could finally be heard.

0:33:340:33:37

A campaign to recover the disappeared began -

0:33:390:33:43

and it had powerful allies.

0:33:430:33:44

Today there are families that have still not had the chance to grieve in peace,

0:33:490:33:53

to visit the graves of their loved ones,

0:33:530:33:56

to reunite after years of separation.

0:33:560:33:58

It is time to allow families to be whole again.

0:33:580:34:01

You first spoke about this back in 1995, and Gerry Adams was in the audience that day.

0:34:080:34:14

Were you aware of it as an issue as far back then?

0:34:140:34:17

I was,

0:34:170:34:18

but I have to say that it was different and more personal to me

0:34:180:34:21

once I actually met a real, live flesh-and-blood mother

0:34:210:34:23

who was looking for her boy.

0:34:230:34:25

That woman was Margaret McKinney

0:34:270:34:30

whose son Brian was disappeared in 1978.

0:34:300:34:33

She had succeeded in getting the ear and the support

0:34:350:34:38

of the most powerful politician in the world.

0:34:380:34:41

We were sitting outside the Oval Office

0:34:420:34:45

and when the door opened, President Clinton and his wife was just there.

0:34:450:34:50

I couldn't believe it.

0:34:500:34:52

And he said to me that day, he says,

0:34:530:34:55

I promise you, I'll help you find your son.

0:34:550:34:58

She was a very impressive woman, I thought.

0:35:000:35:03

Just in her simple... love for her son,

0:35:030:35:07

she was willing to go on with her life, but she wanted her baby back,

0:35:070:35:12

so she could bury him properly.

0:35:120:35:14

And he did, you know. He did help me.

0:35:150:35:17

I will never forget President Clinton -

0:35:170:35:20

he will always be my President.

0:35:200:35:22

Margaret's son Brian and his friend John McClory

0:35:250:35:28

had been accused of taking IRA weapons

0:35:280:35:31

and using them in a robbery.

0:35:310:35:32

The money had been paid back, but it made no difference.

0:35:320:35:37

He was the one child you had to be very protective of,

0:35:390:35:42

and his friends were very protective of him, too,

0:35:420:35:45

for he was very childish.

0:35:450:35:47

A great singer.

0:35:490:35:51

His favourite was Engelbert Humperdinck -

0:35:510:35:54

Please Release Me, Let Me Go.

0:35:540:35:56

I know in my heart, too, he would have been crying out for me.

0:35:590:36:04

Oh, God love him.

0:36:060:36:07

President Clinton spoke to Gerry Adams who promised to help.

0:36:110:36:15

It was around this time that a special IRA team

0:36:170:36:19

was told to find the remains of the disappeared -

0:36:190:36:22

and report back.

0:36:220:36:24

Fr Alec Reid, Adams's long-time friend and confidante,

0:36:240:36:28

agreed to be an intermediary.

0:36:280:36:30

The IRA leadership decided to help the families

0:36:300:36:35

and these people who had disappeared.

0:36:350:36:38

They spent one year looking for the IRA people who had dug the graves

0:36:380:36:42

for these people, then they hoped they'd be able

0:36:420:36:45

to lead people like me to where these bodies were.

0:36:450:36:48

Fr Reid went on an odyssey of bog and death, and farce, too.

0:36:520:36:57

I was taken to a country road - a remote country road -

0:37:000:37:03

and told to wait there.

0:37:030:37:05

And after a few minutes these two men in balaclavas came out of a wood.

0:37:050:37:10

Then they brought me to a field.

0:37:100:37:12

A place the IRA uses as a shooting range, you know,

0:37:120:37:16

for practising shooting.

0:37:160:37:18

They brought us into this tent

0:37:180:37:20

and they cooked sausages and rashers and fried eggs for us all

0:37:200:37:24

in the middle of the night.

0:37:240:37:26

Why were you taken there?

0:37:260:37:29

Because some of the bodies were there, you see.

0:37:290:37:32

Then they brought me to a field,

0:37:330:37:35

and they said there are two bodies here.

0:37:350:37:37

Look for a tree that's about 20 years old,

0:37:370:37:40

and if you find one the bodies should be there.

0:37:400:37:43

And then there was another one

0:37:430:37:44

and the body had been buried in the front garden of the house.

0:37:440:37:48

When the IRA decided they had found out as much as they could,

0:37:520:37:56

nine families were contacted individually.

0:37:560:37:59

Among them, the family of Columba McVeigh.

0:38:030:38:07

19-year old Columba from Tyrone had disappeared in 1975.

0:38:070:38:12

The IRA told his brother they'd killed and buried him.

0:38:120:38:16

My immediate thoughts went back, how am I going to tell my mother this?

0:38:170:38:22

It's probably the hardest thing I've ever had to do in my life -

0:38:220:38:25

and I mean that, with any shadow of a doubt -

0:38:250:38:28

was to go and break that news.

0:38:280:38:31

Not, you know, that he was dead,

0:38:310:38:33

but that this horrible thing that he'd been shot...

0:38:330:38:36

..and buried like a dog.

0:38:370:38:38

And I'll never forget the first words she said to me.

0:38:380:38:42

You know, she says, "The bastards hadn't the balls to tell me herself."

0:38:420:38:47

And I remember thinking, you know what - that's correct.

0:38:470:38:51

Afterwards the IRA issued a statement

0:38:580:39:02

in which they admitted killing and disappearing nine people -

0:39:020:39:06

Jean McConville, Columba McVeigh,

0:39:060:39:12

over here wee Brian McKinney -

0:39:120:39:15

and as far as they were concerned

0:39:150:39:17

there weren't any others that they were responsible for.

0:39:170:39:20

That wasn't to prove to be the case.

0:39:200:39:22

But it did acknowledge that they'd caused incalculable pain and distress

0:39:220:39:26

and they said here that they felt they'd established

0:39:260:39:30

the burial sites of these people

0:39:300:39:33

and that they hoped for a speedy retrieval of the bodies.

0:39:330:39:37

Gerry Adams, almost completely recast as a statesman-in-waiting.

0:39:420:39:46

was clearly committed to achieving this dramatic turnabout

0:39:460:39:50

of IRA policy.

0:39:500:39:51

The organisation had moved from burying people

0:39:510:39:54

to helping to find them.

0:39:540:39:56

These folks were killed,

0:39:560:39:59

secretly buried,

0:39:590:40:01

and their families didn't have a grave to go to.

0:40:010:40:05

And I think that's, you know, a grave injustice to them.

0:40:060:40:12

I think it is something which Republicans have acknowledged,

0:40:120:40:15

certainly the IRA, for its part, has apologised.

0:40:150:40:18

So it's very much an issue that Republicans have a responsibility,

0:40:180:40:24

in my opinion, to rectify - in so far as that's possible

0:40:240:40:29

and something which I have been trying to do for some time.

0:40:290:40:32

Behind the scenes, in May 1999, a deal was done with

0:40:320:40:37

the Irish and British governments to find the disappeared.

0:40:370:40:40

IRA members could give information about the killings

0:40:400:40:43

and burials without fear of prosecution.

0:40:430:40:46

A matter of hours after the deal was formalised,

0:40:500:40:53

the body of alleged IRA informant Eamon Molloy was recovered

0:40:530:40:57

in a brand-new coffin at the ancient churchyard of Faughart

0:40:570:41:02

on the southern side of the border.

0:41:020:41:04

What was it like that day when you came here?

0:41:050:41:08

It was an unusual and eerie scene, certainly one

0:41:080:41:11

we'd never see before or never since either.

0:41:110:41:15

About where we are now, when you look down, you could see a brand-new

0:41:150:41:18

clean coffin sitting in the trees down there.

0:41:180:41:21

That's the Blessed Tree and there's a Blessed Well at the back of it.

0:41:210:41:26

The coffin had been left under the Sacred Tree of St Bridget,

0:41:260:41:30

the patron saint of lost children.

0:41:300:41:33

Eamon Molloy's family then discovered that before he'd been shot

0:41:330:41:37

Eamon was given the last rites by a priest.

0:41:370:41:40

The priest, now dead, told the family that Eamon wanted them

0:41:400:41:44

to know that he wasn't an informer.

0:41:440:41:46

Searches began for the others.

0:41:520:41:55

Did you guys think that, you know,

0:41:570:41:59

"This was very easy, all the other finds will be just as simple"?

0:41:590:42:03

Well, we knew that a number of digs were

0:42:030:42:05

about to commence and, I suppose, the fact that this body was left

0:42:050:42:08

here to be collected and taken away would lead one to believe that

0:42:080:42:14

a number of bodies would be recovered in the short term.

0:42:140:42:17

The victims' group WAVE, which continues to support

0:42:190:42:22

the families today, helped them get their message out

0:42:220:42:25

from the start.

0:42:250:42:26

We don't want anybody prosecuted.

0:42:270:42:30

We don't want anything other than to know the whereabouts of the bodies.

0:42:300:42:34

Six weeks later, Margaret McKinney, who had

0:42:380:42:40

taken her campaign to President Clinton, got her son back.

0:42:400:42:44

In the first few shovelfuls was

0:42:500:42:54

Brian's wee shoes

0:42:540:42:55

and his wee mouth organ.

0:42:550:42:59

He loved playing the mouth organ.

0:42:590:43:01

God, how could they do that to him?

0:43:030:43:06

And he is always with me, anyway, he's always with me.

0:43:130:43:17

Brian was found in a double grave with

0:43:200:43:23

his friend John McClory in County Monaghan just across the border.

0:43:230:43:27

The deal with the IRA meant that no evidence could be

0:43:310:43:34

collected at the burial sites for use in prosecution

0:43:340:43:38

but the actual cause of death was recorded.

0:43:380:43:41

You were involved quite a few of the cases of the disappeared.

0:43:430:43:46

What's common?

0:43:460:43:47

Those of us that worked on these cases

0:43:470:43:49

were of the opinion that a vehicle had been used,

0:43:490:43:52

that the person who was abducted and going to be murdered

0:43:520:43:56

was brought to the location accompanied by probably two,

0:43:560:43:59

three others.

0:43:590:44:01

The person was bound.

0:44:010:44:02

They were walked a short distance, probably to a grave that had

0:44:020:44:06

been partially dug or was to be dug there and then, and the bodies

0:44:060:44:10

were dumped and concealed in a shallow grave.

0:44:100:44:14

In general, a single shot, probably a small calibre at the base of

0:44:140:44:19

the skull, corresponding with the stem of the brain

0:44:190:44:23

which would result in instantaneous death.

0:44:230:44:27

In one or two instances, large stones had been placed on top of the body.

0:44:290:44:33

Why was that? This may have been because in some of

0:44:330:44:36

the summers of the past, which were very good, the bog shrinks

0:44:360:44:41

and so your body may rise.

0:44:410:44:43

When the digs began, that summer of 1999, the expectation

0:44:460:44:50

among the families was that the disappeared would be found in days.

0:44:500:44:55

Jean McConville's daughter Agnes dreamt about her mother,

0:44:580:45:01

imagining her by a beach on Dundalk Bay.

0:45:010:45:04

I had a dream one night,

0:45:060:45:09

I heard this cry,

0:45:090:45:11

and I see my mother with a headscarf on her...

0:45:110:45:15

..and all I could hear was her saying, "I'm out on the beach,

0:45:170:45:20

"please find me, I'm out on the beach, please find me."

0:45:200:45:23

I went out to the beach to see out of curiosity,

0:45:270:45:30

would there be any sign of her?

0:45:300:45:32

And the following week

0:45:360:45:39

I heard they were starting to dig out in Templetown.

0:45:390:45:43

Agnes's dreams had led her

0:45:450:45:47

right to where the IRA said they had buried her mother -

0:45:470:45:51

Templetown beach on Dundalk Bay, where a search began.

0:45:510:45:54

Six and a half weeks was a long, long time for

0:45:580:46:01

anybody to be sitting, lying, waiting

0:46:010:46:05

on their mother's remains.

0:46:050:46:07

There wasn't a day went past I never brought flowers.

0:46:150:46:18

The days seemed longer and longer.

0:46:240:46:27

She wasn't there.

0:46:270:46:29

We all said to ourselves, "We're never going to get her now"

0:46:290:46:33

because they'd dug the whole beach up.

0:46:330:46:36

And the worst thing was when we got the news

0:46:360:46:39

that the dig was stopping.

0:46:390:46:41

We were sure, 100% sure, that she was here, so we were.

0:46:410:46:46

We were just heartbroken leaving this beach.

0:46:480:46:52

The information was wrong.

0:46:550:46:57

Just three of the victims identified by the IRA were recovered

0:46:580:47:02

that first year.

0:47:020:47:03

Four more years passed before Jean McConville's body was found

0:47:060:47:10

by a local man out walking on another beach nearby.

0:47:100:47:14

And this was just plain, just sand.

0:47:210:47:24

Just this spot where the bank and everything had fallen down

0:47:240:47:29

and I just seen the piece of cloth.

0:47:290:47:31

I pulled it up, and kept pulling, I could see, like, a pattern

0:47:310:47:35

coming in the...

0:47:350:47:37

In the fabric? In the fabric, yeah.

0:47:370:47:39

And I put my hand down and I knew it was a bone.

0:47:410:47:44

The first thing that came into my head was Jean McConville.

0:47:460:47:49

I went over to the car and I got a little bottle of holy water.

0:47:490:47:53

And I blessed...

0:47:570:47:58

..and said a little prayer.

0:48:010:48:03

I knew there was a body that had been laying there

0:48:030:48:06

for a long time on their own. I just...

0:48:060:48:09

I Just felt like I had to do it.

0:48:110:48:12

31 years after she had been taken,

0:48:270:48:29

Jean McConville's children were now able to grieve.

0:48:290:48:32

BELL TOLLS

0:48:350:48:36

Her funeral took her past Divis for the last time.

0:48:380:48:42

By the standards of Republican west Belfast, it was a small affair.

0:48:450:48:48

But her nine surviving children,

0:48:500:48:52

long ago farmed out to various orphanages,

0:48:520:48:55

came together to lay their mother to rest.

0:48:550:48:58

Always wondering what was going

0:49:100:49:12

through my mother's head.

0:49:120:49:14

Knowing the steps what I'm taking there myself,

0:49:150:49:18

that was the last steps of my mother's life

0:49:180:49:20

which she was taking, coming down here to her death.

0:49:200:49:24

I just can't get my head round it -

0:49:270:49:29

how another human being can do this to another human being.

0:49:290:49:32

We were going to be orphans when they done this here to us.

0:49:340:49:37

When they killed our mother, they knew we'd be orphans,

0:49:370:49:40

they knew there was nobody else to look after us.

0:49:400:49:42

They knew what they were doing,

0:49:420:49:43

and they knew what they were leaving behind...

0:49:430:49:47

so they do.

0:49:470:49:48

I just can't get my head round that, so I can't.

0:49:500:49:53

The same nightmares are there all the time, seeing them coming in.

0:49:580:50:02

It never goes away, so it doesn't.

0:50:030:50:05

And the hurt's always there, too, so it is.

0:50:080:50:11

The majority of those on the IRA's list were still missing.

0:50:250:50:29

The promised cooperation was coming up short.

0:50:290:50:33

Maybe because some involved in the burials were dead, or the terrain

0:50:330:50:36

had changed and also because some of the IRA just didn't want to help.

0:50:360:50:41

But there were others who weren't even on the IRA list,

0:50:500:50:53

like two men disappeared by the organisation

0:50:530:50:56

in the borderlands of South Armagh.

0:50:560:50:58

More than 150 members of the British security forces were killed

0:51:010:51:05

in the countryside around the town of Crossmaglen.

0:51:050:51:08

Here the IRA's South Armagh Brigade,

0:51:090:51:12

waged a ruthless war by their own particular rules.

0:51:120:51:16

If you fell foul of them everyone knew the consequences.

0:51:170:51:20

Gerry Evans, 24, from Crossmaglen, was disappeared in 1979.

0:51:250:51:31

He wasn't on the list

0:51:310:51:32

because the IRA never admitted taking him.

0:51:320:51:35

We did report him missing.

0:51:380:51:40

They said maybe he'd turn up in a field somewhere, you know,

0:51:400:51:45

in years to come.

0:51:450:51:47

So that wasn't very nice.

0:51:490:51:51

And you were afraid to ask anyone.

0:51:520:51:54

But there was no-one coming forward with any information.

0:51:560:52:00

There was a silence.

0:52:000:52:01

And then Charlie was in the group out looking for him too -

0:52:040:52:08

that's Charlie Armstrong.

0:52:080:52:10

Gerry's neighbour, Charlie Armstrong, was himself taken

0:52:130:52:16

and disappeared two years later.

0:52:160:52:19

His name wasn't on the IRA list either.

0:52:190:52:21

I remember him making things.

0:52:240:52:25

I remember the smell of sawdust, that would be

0:52:250:52:28

the big thing with me.

0:52:280:52:29

Whereas if we behaved ourselves we could sit up on the couch

0:52:290:52:32

and he'd start making things on the floor, cutting it out,

0:52:320:52:35

and I just loved the smell of the sawdust.

0:52:350:52:37

He'd make dolls' houses, cribs, chapels, didn't matter what it was.

0:52:370:52:43

He was always making something.

0:52:430:52:45

He was just an ordinary man,

0:52:460:52:49

he liked a wee gamble on the horses.

0:52:490:52:52

Now and again.

0:52:550:52:57

One Sunday morning, Charlie left on his regular mission

0:52:590:53:02

to drive an elderly neighbour to mass.

0:53:020:53:04

He was never heard of again.

0:53:060:53:07

As with other victims, almost immediately,

0:53:080:53:11

rumours began circulating that Charlie was alive and well.

0:53:110:53:16

The family blame the IRA -

0:53:170:53:19

a cynical ploy to keep them guessing.

0:53:190:53:22

People saying he was seen sitting in a bar

0:53:220:53:25

chatting two women up in Carrick.

0:53:250:53:28

Another man said that he'd seen him getting off a bus in Drogheda.

0:53:280:53:32

We checked them all out, there was nothing.

0:53:340:53:36

Everybody went looking.

0:53:380:53:39

We went round the roads every Sunday...

0:53:390:53:43

Nothing.

0:53:430:53:44

That went on for 29 years.

0:53:450:53:47

The IRA remained silent.

0:53:500:53:53

But in 2001 one individual appeared to break ranks

0:53:530:53:57

and wrote to Kathleen.

0:53:570:53:59

Went up at lunch one day and my mother was in tears

0:54:010:54:03

in the kitchen, and she says, "Look at this",

0:54:030:54:06

addressed to the Armstrong family, Cullaville Road,

0:54:060:54:09

it wasn't a stranger.

0:54:090:54:11

And, um, it was just scrawled along,

0:54:120:54:15

with the letters stating, "Why now, I don't know.

0:54:150:54:19

"Charlie is buried three feet down,

0:54:190:54:23

"50m or so off the road,"

0:54:230:54:26

and a map roughly drawn.

0:54:260:54:28

This first map was inaccurate.

0:54:290:54:31

But by this time, a special forensic team had been set up

0:54:310:54:35

to find the bodies.

0:54:350:54:36

Sent more accurate maps, the team found Charlie in 2010,

0:54:390:54:44

buried just across the border.

0:54:440:54:46

We weren't sure whether it was him or not,

0:54:470:54:50

and they took us out to Dundalk and they had all his...

0:54:500:54:53

wee bits and pieces that he had.

0:54:530:54:55

And every one of them I knew, they were...

0:54:550:54:58

Even his shoes...

0:55:010:55:03

..everything.

0:55:050:55:06

Even his socks.

0:55:080:55:10

It was wonderful in one way...

0:55:150:55:18

Another way, it was very sad.

0:55:190:55:21

I don't know how I got over it.

0:55:230:55:25

But I was glad. Glad to have him back.

0:55:270:55:31

Gerry Evans's body was found a few months later.

0:55:360:55:39

"Whatever you say, say nothing" is a local mantra,

0:55:420:55:45

but there is one man who knows this place and isn't afraid to speak up.

0:55:450:55:50

Martin McAllister is a former member

0:55:510:55:53

of the IRA's South Armagh Brigade,

0:55:530:55:55

with the scars and the prison terms to prove it.

0:55:550:55:58

Who carried out these disappearances?

0:56:000:56:02

It would have been the local IRA, be in no doubt about that.

0:56:020:56:06

Are you sure of that?

0:56:060:56:07

Yeah, certainly, and the reason for disappearing him

0:56:070:56:10

is a very simple one.

0:56:100:56:11

The local community, ordinary decent people in Crossmaglen,

0:56:110:56:14

would not have stood for it,

0:56:140:56:16

would not have put up with it, would not have supported it.

0:56:160:56:18

So, no claim, no blame. Everybody was aware what had happened to them.

0:56:180:56:23

The fact that they didn't leave him at the side of the road,

0:56:230:56:27

so to speak, maybe saved their own grace a little bit

0:56:270:56:29

because they could say, "Well, we didn't do this."

0:56:290:56:32

Another thing that would have been done very comprehensively

0:56:320:56:35

would have been the rumour mill would have been started.

0:56:350:56:38

You know, to try and kill the story off.

0:56:380:56:40

Such as they've disappeared here or there or they were spotted in

0:56:400:56:42

such a town and such a place in England or whatever.

0:56:420:56:45

All absolute nonsense. None of it.

0:56:450:56:47

All it did was add more distress to

0:56:470:56:49

the families of the people concerned, huge distress to the people.

0:56:490:56:53

The IRA has never admitted the murders of Charlie Armstrong

0:56:570:57:02

and Gerry Evans, why is that?

0:57:020:57:04

Well, there are only two reasons for it.

0:57:060:57:09

First of all, the IRA leadership didn't authorise that killing.

0:57:090:57:15

The IRA leadership which carried out the investigation would have

0:57:150:57:18

uncovered that and said that at the time, so whether the IRA

0:57:180:57:23

didn't kill Gerard Evans and Charlie Armstrong, they were killed by

0:57:230:57:28

others, which could include other Republicans.

0:57:280:57:31

It could even include local Republicans.

0:57:310:57:34

But everyone knows they were killed by the IRA.

0:57:340:57:37

Well, you know, again, I am not going to speculate.

0:57:370:57:39

You asked me the question, I'm giving you...

0:57:390:57:42

I know, but you know they were killed by the IRA. No, I don't.

0:57:420:57:45

Gerry Adams says he can't be sure that the IRA was responsible.

0:57:480:57:51

Well, there's lots of things in your life that you can't be certain of.

0:57:510:57:54

I can't be certain the sun's going to come up in the morning but I

0:57:540:57:57

could put money on it, you know. It's as simple as that.

0:57:570:57:59

I think Gerry Adams, perhaps... He chooses, maybe, to come up with

0:57:590:58:04

that answer as opposed to facing the reality that he himself has

0:58:040:58:07

been told lies by them here locally and perhaps he wants to believe it.

0:58:070:58:11

A local IRA source told me that Charlie Armstrong

0:58:150:58:18

was not an informer but often dallied about the town square

0:58:180:58:23

and someone decided he might have seen something

0:58:230:58:26

that he shouldn't have.

0:58:260:58:27

He was very close to you all of those years, too, wasn't he?

0:58:300:58:33

Yes, three miles as the crow flies.

0:58:330:58:36

You'd be here in a few minutes.

0:58:360:58:37

How was your father killed?

0:58:420:58:44

The half of his head was missing, half a skull.

0:58:450:58:49

The hands and his feet were tied to the front, which meant that he was

0:58:490:58:52

killed and then tied up and dropped off.

0:58:520:58:57

The IRA have never admitted killing your dad, have they?

0:58:570:59:00

No, he wasn't mentioned at all.

0:59:000:59:03

I believe I know the people who done it and I'll always know them.

0:59:060:59:11

And even the day of my father's funeral I had to thank

0:59:110:59:14

those people.

0:59:140:59:16

I felt it was something I had to do.

0:59:160:59:18

I had to get up and thank whoever gave us that information.

0:59:180:59:21

So would your mum ever come here, come here to see this?

0:59:240:59:27

No, no, she would prefer to go to the grave than think

0:59:270:59:30

of him lying out here.

0:59:300:59:32

Where he should never have been.

0:59:320:59:33

He never should have been out here.

0:59:330:59:35

Charlie, help me down the steps.

0:59:490:59:50

Thank you, Charlie, for helping me down the steps.

0:59:530:59:57

Thank you, Charlie.

1:00:011:00:02

Charlie, are you listening?

1:00:051:00:08

That's right, you are. God bless you and take care.

1:00:081:00:12

Recovering the dead has been a protracted

1:00:311:00:34

and often disappointing process.

1:00:341:00:36

This summer the only active search was for Columba McVeigh.

1:00:381:00:42

In 1999, his brother was told that his burial site had been identified.

1:00:431:00:48

14 years on, his remains are still to be found.

1:00:481:00:51

He's supposed to be buried at Braggan bog in Monaghan.

1:00:521:00:56

Earlier searches here have failed,

1:00:571:00:59

but this time the specialist search team was cautiously optimistic.

1:00:591:01:03

Columba's sister Dympna has one keepsake of him -

1:01:121:01:17

a present he gave to their mother.

1:01:171:01:18

CHIMES OF GALWAY BAY

1:01:181:01:21

Galway Bay.

1:01:211:01:22

This was in the glass cabinet.

1:01:241:01:26

That kept pride of place. Columba bought her that.

1:01:261:01:30

Can't hear that song now.

1:01:301:01:32

Can't listen to that song now.

1:01:321:01:33

The IRA branded him an informer

1:01:421:01:45

but to Dympna he will always be a younger brother.

1:01:451:01:48

1975, that's Columba in the armchair with his legs crossed.

1:01:501:01:55

He looks in total charge of his world there.

1:01:551:01:57

Oh, he was always in total charge of everything.

1:01:571:02:00

That was his... His front? Yeah.

1:02:001:02:03

I've always said he was dead from day one,

1:02:041:02:07

when he was missing. I've always said he was dead.

1:02:071:02:10

And why did I say he was dead? Because he needed my mum too much.

1:02:111:02:15

He could not have stayed away.

1:02:151:02:16

You've heard the thing about "attached to apron strings"?

1:02:181:02:21

He was tied to mummy's apron strings.

1:02:211:02:24

She was living, wasn't she, to see her son home?

1:02:251:02:29

God, yeah. But it wasn't to be.

1:02:291:02:31

No.

1:02:311:02:32

I never done anything to the IRA.

1:02:331:02:36

Neither did me mum, so why are they torturing us?

1:02:361:02:39

38 years on and they're still torturing us. And that's what it is.

1:02:411:02:46

How would you feel if it was your brother?

1:02:461:02:48

Have you been to Braggan? Have you been to the bog? No. No.

1:02:491:02:53

Refuse to go. Why?

1:02:531:02:54

Cos I've got an image in my head.

1:02:571:03:00

An image of...Columba?

1:03:061:03:08

Hm-mm. The way he was?

1:03:081:03:12

No.

1:03:121:03:13

I've got an image in my head of Columba standing there, crying...

1:03:201:03:24

..looking into a hole.

1:03:261:03:28

Nobody got to say goodbye to him.

1:03:311:03:32

Braggan, where Columba is thought to have been shot and buried,

1:03:411:03:45

is, like most of the burial sites, isolated, miles from anywhere.

1:03:451:03:50

Tied up, guns pressed to your side,

1:03:531:03:56

your last minutes alive.

1:03:561:03:58

It might make a lovely drive on a summer's day

1:03:581:04:01

but not this night.

1:04:011:04:03

As quiet as rural Ireland gets,

1:04:061:04:08

a terrifyingly lonely place being driven to your certain death.

1:04:081:04:13

In the absence of fresh information, other searches have been abandoned.

1:04:181:04:22

Like that for Kevin McKee and Seamus Wright,

1:04:221:04:26

who were said to have been buried in County Meath less than

1:04:261:04:29

40 miles from Dublin city centre.

1:04:291:04:33

They were the pair who were

1:04:331:04:34

accused of informing on the IRA but who had later helped them

1:04:341:04:38

ambush the British Army's undercover Four Square Laundry operation.

1:04:381:04:42

I've been trying to piece together the crucial events in the last

1:04:431:04:47

months of their lives.

1:04:471:04:48

The IRA leader who dealt with them in 1972, Brendan Hughes,

1:04:501:04:55

said they should never have been killed.

1:04:551:04:57

The following explanation from Hughes himself has never been

1:04:591:05:02

broadcast before.

1:05:021:05:04

You had to understand that McKee and Wright

1:05:051:05:08

believed themselves to be... have immunity.

1:05:081:05:12

They were given that.

1:05:131:05:14

They were taken away across the border.

1:05:151:05:17

I mean, they were held for weeks and weeks and weeks, across the border.

1:05:171:05:21

Kevin, remember, was just 17 - a kid.

1:05:241:05:28

Most his age have a lifetime to make and atone for mistakes.

1:05:281:05:33

Brendan Hughes bitterly regretted what happened next.

1:05:341:05:37

Actually, McKee, the people who were holding him...

1:05:421:05:47

liked him. Good cook, good craic,

1:05:471:05:51

and the order was given for them to be put down, right.

1:05:511:05:56

I didn't give the order. I felt betrayed to some extent.

1:05:561:06:00

Now this is hearsay on my behalf.

1:06:011:06:03

The people who were holding them liked them and couldn't execute them

1:06:031:06:08

and people were sent from Belfast to do the actual execution.

1:06:081:06:13

There was no purpose in it, it was pure revenge, I think.

1:06:131:06:17

Brendan Hughes also explained that Gerry Adams was

1:06:201:06:23

involved at this time, planning IRA attacks against the army

1:06:231:06:26

intelligence teams that Seamus Wright and Kevin McKee had revealed.

1:06:261:06:31

Brendan Hughes doesn't accuse him of having any part in their deaths.

1:06:311:06:36

But if he is correct, wouldn't Gerry Adams have known about their role?

1:06:361:06:40

Did you know Kevin McKee?

1:06:411:06:44

Did I know Kevin McKee? Ballymurphy lad.

1:06:441:06:46

I know where he's from.

1:06:461:06:48

I know his family well.

1:06:481:06:50

I can't say I know him, person to person, but I know his family,

1:06:501:06:55

I know his...siblings.

1:06:551:07:00

Did you know him as a young lad in Ballymurphy?

1:07:001:07:04

Not that I can recall, but I may have, but I can't recall that.

1:07:041:07:08

Did you know Seamus Wright? I know the Wright family.

1:07:081:07:11

Again, I know his siblings - very strong Republican family,

1:07:111:07:18

Did you hear what happened to them back then in 1972,

1:07:181:07:21

did you hear that they had been involved in the Four Square Laundry?

1:07:211:07:26

Yes, there were rumours about, there always are.

1:07:261:07:30

There always are rumours when something happens.

1:07:301:07:34

But you were a seriously-placed Republican leader in Belfast

1:07:341:07:39

in 1972, you have written about the Four Square Laundry operation

1:07:391:07:43

in glowing terms, I assume you must have heard about these two men

1:07:431:07:47

and their involvement in it back then, did you?

1:07:471:07:49

I am assuming you did, but maybe you didn't...

1:07:491:07:52

I learnt a long time ago, if you don't ask you can't tell,

1:07:521:07:55

and you are also talking about very turbulent times.

1:07:551:07:58

Did you not know that Seamus Wright,

1:07:581:08:00

whose relatives were well known to you,

1:08:001:08:02

did you not know that Seamus Wright had disappeared?

1:08:021:08:04

Nobody knows these things, Darragh... But you knew his family.

1:08:041:08:08

Hold on a second, what sort of world do you live in?

1:08:081:08:11

Kevin McKee's mum was looking for him, the entire

1:08:111:08:14

family searching for him.

1:08:141:08:16

Please bear with me. Do you not live in the real world?

1:08:161:08:19

People go off, people disappear,

1:08:191:08:22

people bring back reports of having seen such and such a person.

1:08:221:08:26

But what about Jean McConville, the mother of ten

1:08:291:08:32

that disappeared in 1972?

1:08:321:08:34

After she was found in 2003,

1:08:421:08:44

her family persuaded the police ombudsman to inquire into

1:08:441:08:48

why there had been no proper police investigation in the first place.

1:08:481:08:53

The reason they didn't start an investigation was that

1:08:571:09:00

that area was so dangerous that they only investigated

1:09:001:09:03

what they called serious crimes and they clearly didn't regard...

1:09:031:09:07

..poor Jean McConville's abduction as a serious crime.

1:09:091:09:11

As part of her inquiry, Nuala Oloan wanted to

1:09:151:09:19

establish the truth about claims that Jean McConville

1:09:191:09:22

was an informant.

1:09:221:09:23

There were two main allegations - that she had revealed

1:09:251:09:28

the whereabouts of a gun or that she had concealed Army transmitters.

1:09:281:09:33

Both were false, according to Nuala Oloan.

1:09:351:09:37

Why was she disappeared?

1:09:401:09:41

I think she was the wrong person in the wrong place at the wrong time.

1:09:411:09:45

She was an East Belfast Protestant, they had moved across

1:09:451:09:49

to West Belfast,

1:09:491:09:51

and there were suspicions, the laundry vans incident

1:09:511:09:56

had occurred where the British Army were collecting information,

1:09:561:10:01

and there were suspicions about informants and I think that because

1:10:011:10:05

she was not one of them...

1:10:051:10:08

they just decided to make an example of her.

1:10:081:10:11

She was not an informant.

1:10:111:10:12

Murder is sometimes a solitary act.

1:10:191:10:23

Not Jean McConville's.

1:10:231:10:25

It's thought that up to 20 people

1:10:251:10:27

may have been involved in her killing.

1:10:271:10:29

A source who believes their life would be at risk

1:10:311:10:34

if identified told me that Jean was held

1:10:341:10:37

and interrogated close to her home,

1:10:371:10:39

never more than three quarters of a miles away.

1:10:391:10:42

She was held for up to six days in Belfast - not for interrogation

1:10:431:10:48

but to finalise the logistics of disappearing her.

1:10:481:10:52

A team to drive her across the border, a team to shoot her,

1:10:521:10:56

a team to dig her grave.

1:10:561:10:58

For certain, the IRA believed she was an informant

1:10:591:11:03

but this doesn't explain why she was disappeared.

1:11:031:11:06

Billy McKee, the former IRA Belfast commander, wasn't in charge then,

1:11:091:11:14

but he knows what he would have done.

1:11:141:11:16

Would you have buried Jean McConville? No.

1:11:161:11:19

I'm telling you I wouldn't have buried them.

1:11:191:11:22

I would have executed her all right, no problem,

1:11:221:11:25

but I would not have buried her.

1:11:251:11:27

Sinn Fein have told me that the policy

1:11:271:11:29

of disappearing people was a policy

1:11:291:11:32

inherited from the old men of the IRA,

1:11:321:11:35

the men from the 1940s and the 1950s campaign. Is that true?

1:11:351:11:38

That's a goddamn lie.

1:11:381:11:40

In my time, I never knew anybody to be buried.

1:11:411:11:46

Executed, yes, but not to be buried.

1:11:461:11:49

They were never disappeared.

1:11:491:11:51

Not in the '40s, not in the '50s.

1:11:531:11:56

But why are they telling it?

1:11:591:12:00

They would near tell you they weren't involved

1:12:031:12:05

in the campaign at any time.

1:12:051:12:06

That's confounded lies, what they're saying.

1:12:081:12:11

Alone of the disappeared, Jean McConville's killing

1:12:151:12:19

is a live police investigation.

1:12:191:12:21

This is in large part because she was found by a member of the public,

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so the special deal with the IRA doesn't apply.

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So who ordered her death and disappearance?

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Republican sources who don't want to be identified

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have told me that a special Belfast IRA intelligence team was in charge.

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This unit has been called The Unknowns.

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One of its members was Dolours Price.

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Once very close to Gerry Adams, she became bitterly critical of him.

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She struggled with illness but, before her death earlier this year,

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she did a number of interviews in which she admitted driving

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Jean McConville across the border.

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She also admitted helping to disappear three others in 1972.

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Crucially, she said she was acting under the orders of Gerry Adams.

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Brendan Hughes - once said to have loved Gerry Adams as a brother -

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goes even further. He admitted being involved in the IRA's

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investigation of Jean McConville, but says the responsibility

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for her death lies with Gerry Adams.

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BRENDAN HUGHES:

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More than 40 years after her death, the circumstances

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of Jean McConville's killing still follow Gerry Adams...

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OVERLAPPING

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..though he insists he had no knowledge of her then.

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I would love to hear you speak the truth about some elements

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of your past, Deputy Adams.

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Cut out the waffle and have some straight talk.

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Perhaps you might someday tell the truth about

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the tragedy and about the remorse

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and the compassion that should have been shown to Jean McConville.

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Maybe you might do that, Deputy Adams. You might do that sometime.

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OVERLAPPING

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Brendan Hughes has alleged that there was only one man

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who gave the order for "that woman", meaning Jean McConville,

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to be executed. That man is now the head of Sinn Fein.

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That's what Brendan Hughes has said.

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Did you give the order for the execution of Jean McConville

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as he claims?

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No, I had no act or part to play in either the abduction, the killing

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or the burial of Jean McConville

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or indeed any of these other individuals

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and Brendan is telling lies,

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and himself and Dolours Price,

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opponents of the Sinn Fein leadership,

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opponents of our strategy,

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from their point of view and obviously I profoundly disagree,

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they see us as having sold out, they see us as being traitors

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and they also have their own demons to deal with,

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so all of this and these allegations have to be set in that context.

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Brendan Hughes's recordings were made as part

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of an American history project based at Boston College.

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I wanted to get insight into the thinking of Brendan Hughes,

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his motivation for accusing his once close friend of the killing

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and disappearance of Jean McConville.

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I think what motivated Brendan Hughes

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in coming forward and talking about this sort of thing

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was his anger at Gerry Adams's denial of his own past and their shared past

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as senior figures in the IRA,

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and Brendan Hughes, I think, was very strongly influenced by the fact

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that there was Gerry Adams denying

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that he had given orders to Brendan Hughes

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to do certain things,

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when both Brendan Hughes and Gerry Adams knew that this has happened.

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And I think that denial angered him

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and I think angered other people

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and, in his case, persuaded him to actually take a big step

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and give this interview to Boston College.

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Dolours Price and Brendan Hughes are both dead.

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In Ireland I established contact

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with another former senior IRA figure

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whose identity I have agreed to keep secret.

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It was stated to me that Dolours Price and Brendan Hughes

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were telling the truth.

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It's not just people like Brendan Hughes and Dolours Price

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that make these allegations about you and Jean McConville.

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I have learnt from a top Republican source

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that you were in fact the Belfast Brigade commander

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when Jean McConville was taken, murdered and executed

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and that you in fact were ultimately responsible.

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You, as Belfast commander,

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as the OC in Belfast of the IRA,

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were ultimately responsible for her fate,

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because the unit, the intelligence unit,

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some people call it The Unknowns,

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that took her away, that dealt with her,

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answered to one person and that person was you.

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Well, that's just a recycling of the same story, that's not true, Darragh.

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But I've been told... Come here, you can repeat it ad nauseam,

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I'm telling you it's not true.

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Do you regret what happened to her? My focus...

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Do you regret it from a personal perspective?

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Bear with me. My focus is in trying to do what I can

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as an individual to bring those remaining bodies to the families

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who grieve them and who want a burial place to go to.

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Of course I regret. Of course.

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One wouldn't be a thinking, living human being

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if one didn't have regret.

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Do you bear any responsibility for what happened to these people?

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All of us bear a responsibility,

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those of us who are in leadership

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and I have never shirked that.

1:19:151:19:17

Gerry Adams and some in the IRA have attempted to atone

1:19:181:19:23

for the wrong done to the families of the disappeared.

1:19:231:19:26

But certain wrongs can never be undone or made right.

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MICKEY McCONVILLE: I can't remember a time

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when there wasn't pigeons around the family.

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It puts me back to my childhood memories what were happy,

1:19:441:19:47

when we were all together.

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I will always hope to get the truth.

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It's one of things that I am fighting for, is to get the truth,

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why they killed my mother.

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It was wrong.

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They made us suffer all them years not knowing where she was.

1:20:001:20:04

I suppose they'll have to answer for it someday.

1:20:081:20:10

When I send them away,

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they always return home, they always come back to me.

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The latest dig for Columba McVeigh has again ended in failure.

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Four of the six IRA victims not found

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are thought to be buried in bogs

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in County Meath in the heart of Ireland,

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like here at Orristown.

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All the families can do for those still missing

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is hope for new and better information.

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Just look at the size of it. It's hundreds of acres.

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How on earth are you going to find somebody?

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And all you're looking of course now is for some bone, dyed turf brown.

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Maybe a belt buckle or a shoe.

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But in a place this size you could be digging from now until doomsday

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and never find somebody.

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It's clear that certain people are still holding on to secrets,

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but secrets kept die,

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secrets told can heal.

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One day, maybe the bogs of Ireland will give up their dead,

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but before then certainly, there will be time

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to contemplate the truths of our historic conflict.

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SEAMUS HEANEY: The plait of my hair

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a slimy birth-cord of bog, had been cut

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and I arose from the dark,

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hacked bone, skull-ware,

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frayed stitches, tufts,

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small gleams on the bank.

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