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This programme contains some scenes which some viewers may find upsetting | 0:00:02 | 0:00:06 | |
They said that you had abandoned him as a baby. | 0:00:06 | 0:00:08 | |
I did not abandon my child. | 0:00:08 | 0:00:10 | |
The Hollywood movie Philomena told the story of one woman's | 0:00:12 | 0:00:16 | |
search for the son who had been taken away from her as a little boy. | 0:00:16 | 0:00:20 | |
It moved audiences around the world. | 0:00:20 | 0:00:23 | |
The success of the film took it all the way to Oscar nominations. | 0:00:23 | 0:00:27 | |
Even the Pope became aware of the real Philomena's story. | 0:00:27 | 0:00:32 | |
I am very honoured to meet you. | 0:00:32 | 0:00:33 | |
'Could I have imagined meeting the Pope one day?' | 0:00:33 | 0:00:37 | |
No way. No way! | 0:00:37 | 0:00:39 | |
My name is Martin Sixsmith, and the film was about how | 0:00:39 | 0:00:43 | |
I helped Philomena in her quest to be reunited with her son. | 0:00:43 | 0:00:47 | |
But Philomena's story is just the tip of an iceberg. | 0:00:49 | 0:00:52 | |
In Ireland, thousands of so-called illegitimate children were | 0:00:53 | 0:00:58 | |
taken from their mothers and sent off for adoption. | 0:00:58 | 0:01:01 | |
Coming off that plane, I was very scared and frightened | 0:01:01 | 0:01:05 | |
and felt alone... | 0:01:05 | 0:01:06 | |
When those children searched for their mothers | 0:01:06 | 0:01:09 | |
they felt frustrated by the Catholic Church. | 0:01:09 | 0:01:13 | |
I had to do an actual car chase to track this Sister Sarto down. | 0:01:13 | 0:01:19 | |
-Catherine...? -Sheehy. -And it was Sheehy? | 0:01:19 | 0:01:22 | |
-Now, I've a photograph here to show you... -Yes. -..of Joseph. -Yes. | 0:01:22 | 0:01:26 | |
And the mothers, too, have struggled. | 0:01:26 | 0:01:29 | |
SHE EXHALES SHARPLY | 0:01:29 | 0:01:31 | |
It's so hard. | 0:01:31 | 0:01:33 | |
This is my journey to discover the true scale of a scandal | 0:01:35 | 0:01:39 | |
that has affected so many lives. | 0:01:39 | 0:01:41 | |
I finally found the truth - that I was never unwanted. | 0:01:42 | 0:01:47 | |
That I was never abandoned. | 0:01:47 | 0:01:48 | |
Philomena is the story of a young woman in 1950s Ireland | 0:02:07 | 0:02:12 | |
who fell pregnant outside marriage. | 0:02:12 | 0:02:14 | |
She was taken to a convent | 0:02:17 | 0:02:18 | |
and forced to give up the baby for adoption in America. | 0:02:18 | 0:02:22 | |
50 years later, Philomena and I set out to try | 0:02:24 | 0:02:27 | |
and track down her son. | 0:02:27 | 0:02:29 | |
Although we discovered her son Anthony tragically had died, | 0:02:32 | 0:02:36 | |
the search turned out to be a life-changing experience for both | 0:02:36 | 0:02:40 | |
Philomena and for me. | 0:02:40 | 0:02:41 | |
And after the film came out, I was contacted by others with | 0:02:44 | 0:02:47 | |
similar stories to tell - | 0:02:47 | 0:02:49 | |
by mothers of children taken by the Catholic Church | 0:02:49 | 0:02:53 | |
and by the adopted children themselves now seeking answers. | 0:02:53 | 0:02:57 | |
I'm going on a journey which will take me from Ireland to America | 0:02:58 | 0:03:02 | |
to investigate the extent of the scandal. | 0:03:02 | 0:03:05 | |
'My journey started in rural Ireland | 0:03:08 | 0:03:11 | |
'at the home of a woman called Lily Boyce.' | 0:03:11 | 0:03:13 | |
-Hello, Lily? -Hello. -Martin Sixsmith. Hello. -Pleased to meet you, Martin. | 0:03:16 | 0:03:20 | |
Lovely to meet you, Lily. | 0:03:20 | 0:03:22 | |
'Just like Philomena, Lily grew up in Ireland in the 1950s, | 0:03:22 | 0:03:26 | |
'when the Catholic Church dominated most aspects of life. | 0:03:26 | 0:03:30 | |
'She's never spoken out before.' | 0:03:30 | 0:03:32 | |
Sex wasn't... you didn't really know really what it was, | 0:03:35 | 0:03:38 | |
cos it was never, never, eh, explained to you. | 0:03:38 | 0:03:42 | |
But I was pregnant and ignorant and didn't know I was pregnant. | 0:03:42 | 0:03:46 | |
And I suppose maybe six or eight months and, you know, kind of | 0:03:46 | 0:03:51 | |
then knew there was something funny going on, and, yes, kind of... | 0:03:51 | 0:03:54 | |
..so I had to be pregnant. | 0:03:55 | 0:03:57 | |
In a world where sex outside marriage was absolutely forbidden, | 0:04:01 | 0:04:05 | |
Lily, then 18, kept her secret as long as she could. | 0:04:05 | 0:04:09 | |
What do I do, like, I mean, who do I tell, | 0:04:09 | 0:04:12 | |
and I'm afraid to tell the anybody, not even the father did I tell. | 0:04:12 | 0:04:15 | |
Afraid to tell my mother. | 0:04:15 | 0:04:17 | |
As she went into labour, her mother discovered what Lily had been | 0:04:19 | 0:04:23 | |
hiding from her. | 0:04:23 | 0:04:24 | |
My mother said, er, you'd better gather your stuff up and she said, | 0:04:26 | 0:04:31 | |
"Get out of here." | 0:04:31 | 0:04:33 | |
So, er, we started off... I didn't actually know where I was | 0:04:33 | 0:04:36 | |
going, so we landed in Castlepollard | 0:04:36 | 0:04:40 | |
on a very snowy morning. | 0:04:40 | 0:04:42 | |
And when she got me a couple of yards from the door she said, | 0:04:42 | 0:04:47 | |
"Now you can do your own dirty work." | 0:04:47 | 0:04:49 | |
Lily's mother had left her on the steps of Castlepollard, | 0:04:52 | 0:04:56 | |
a home run by the Catholic Church | 0:04:56 | 0:04:59 | |
where unmarried mothers were hiddenaway in shame | 0:04:59 | 0:05:02 | |
to have their children. | 0:05:02 | 0:05:03 | |
Lily gave birth to Joseph the next day in the home. | 0:05:06 | 0:05:10 | |
What can you remember about him? | 0:05:11 | 0:05:13 | |
He was a lovable child. | 0:05:13 | 0:05:15 | |
Like, you really bonded with him. Yeah, sort of like it was... | 0:05:15 | 0:05:18 | |
SHE EXHALES SHARPLY | 0:05:18 | 0:05:20 | |
..so hard. | 0:05:20 | 0:05:21 | |
The women in the home were stripped of their identities | 0:05:35 | 0:05:38 | |
and given names by the nuns. | 0:05:38 | 0:05:41 | |
Lily became Ursula. | 0:05:41 | 0:05:43 | |
When you're in there, there was nothing you could do | 0:05:44 | 0:05:47 | |
because you're under a false name, you couldn't write out, | 0:05:47 | 0:05:52 | |
nor, like, I mean, you couldn't make contact with | 0:05:52 | 0:05:55 | |
the outside world without being monitored. | 0:05:55 | 0:05:57 | |
The nuns who ran the home were unforgiving to the young women | 0:05:59 | 0:06:02 | |
in their charge. | 0:06:02 | 0:06:04 | |
You just felt, you know, you're a fallen person and | 0:06:06 | 0:06:09 | |
that bit of meat that wasn't wanted or whatever, you know, | 0:06:09 | 0:06:13 | |
so nobody... nobody cared. | 0:06:13 | 0:06:15 | |
-You felt like a piece of meat? -Yeah. | 0:06:15 | 0:06:17 | |
That no-one cared about. | 0:06:20 | 0:06:21 | |
THEY SING | 0:06:23 | 0:06:24 | |
-FILM REEL: -The Republic of Ireland is the most Catholic country in the world. | 0:06:28 | 0:06:31 | |
95% of its people are of the Roman Catholic faith. | 0:06:31 | 0:06:35 | |
As the highest moral authority in Ireland, | 0:06:40 | 0:06:43 | |
the Catholic Church was obsessed with sex and its regulation. | 0:06:43 | 0:06:48 | |
Contraception was illegal. | 0:06:48 | 0:06:50 | |
Chastity, the Church said, was the only protection | 0:06:50 | 0:06:53 | |
for young women from the mortal sin of sex outside marriage. | 0:06:53 | 0:06:58 | |
If you can control sexuality, you can control the person. | 0:07:02 | 0:07:06 | |
And, of course, the morals of the Catholic Church intruded | 0:07:06 | 0:07:10 | |
into the bedrooms of Ireland for generations. | 0:07:10 | 0:07:13 | |
They wanted to control everything that happened in the bedroom. | 0:07:13 | 0:07:16 | |
In 1950s Ireland, the Church and State were inextricably linked | 0:07:19 | 0:07:24 | |
in a way that is hard for us to understand today. | 0:07:24 | 0:07:26 | |
The Church policed every aspect of life - both public and private. | 0:07:28 | 0:07:33 | |
The State relied on the Church to take unmarried mothers, | 0:07:39 | 0:07:43 | |
known as fallen women, into its mother and baby homes. | 0:07:43 | 0:07:48 | |
The worst possible thing that could happen in a family was that | 0:07:48 | 0:07:51 | |
a girl would get pregnant. | 0:07:51 | 0:07:54 | |
The son could get other girls pregnant, | 0:07:54 | 0:07:57 | |
you know, it's a bit of trouble, but if the daughter in the house got | 0:07:57 | 0:08:00 | |
pregnant outside marriage, this was a disaster, a social disaster. | 0:08:00 | 0:08:05 | |
The family itself would practically be ostracised, | 0:08:07 | 0:08:10 | |
so the girls would be taken away from their home, sent to the nuns | 0:08:10 | 0:08:15 | |
in some awful convent somewhere, | 0:08:15 | 0:08:17 | |
60,000 girls just disappeared. | 0:08:17 | 0:08:20 | |
There was little question of the illegitimate children staying with their mothers. | 0:08:24 | 0:08:29 | |
Instead, they were given up for adoption by the nuns. | 0:08:29 | 0:08:33 | |
The young women involved | 0:08:34 | 0:08:36 | |
very often didn't give consent. | 0:08:36 | 0:08:38 | |
Where they did give consent, there's a serious question as to | 0:08:38 | 0:08:41 | |
whether it was properly informed consent, and the State, I think, | 0:08:41 | 0:08:45 | |
went along with that almost entirely because the State did not want | 0:08:45 | 0:08:49 | |
to do anything what would anger or upset or annoy the Catholic Church. | 0:08:49 | 0:08:53 | |
Lily knew her child was going to be taken away from her. | 0:08:58 | 0:09:02 | |
'If the nuns said, yeah, it was going to America, it was going to America. | 0:09:03 | 0:09:08 | |
'I would have loved to have kept him.' | 0:09:08 | 0:09:10 | |
The more I had him, the...the harder it was, | 0:09:11 | 0:09:14 | |
like, to give him up. | 0:09:14 | 0:09:16 | |
Cos you really had bonded then with him. | 0:09:20 | 0:09:22 | |
After 17 months of caring for her son, | 0:09:23 | 0:09:26 | |
the time came for Lily to give Joseph away. | 0:09:26 | 0:09:30 | |
My last memory of Joseph, I was told, "Joseph is going in the morning." | 0:09:30 | 0:09:35 | |
So you go over and you had dressed Joseph. | 0:09:35 | 0:09:38 | |
And he was dressed in his little beige coat | 0:09:39 | 0:09:44 | |
and brown trousers | 0:09:44 | 0:09:46 | |
and little shoes. | 0:09:46 | 0:09:48 | |
And then he was taken over | 0:09:48 | 0:09:50 | |
by Sister Aiden to the front hall of the convent. | 0:09:50 | 0:09:54 | |
And while she got up at the top, I was only allowed to wave | 0:09:54 | 0:09:57 | |
to him at the bottom of the stairs. | 0:09:57 | 0:09:59 | |
That was the last I seen of Joseph. | 0:09:59 | 0:10:01 | |
It was an image that would haunt Lily in the decades that followed. | 0:10:09 | 0:10:13 | |
I'm Joseph's mother. | 0:10:15 | 0:10:16 | |
Not the fallen one. | 0:10:24 | 0:10:25 | |
Not the fallen one. | 0:10:28 | 0:10:29 | |
The Church was paid by the State for housing the mothers and children | 0:10:41 | 0:10:45 | |
but the adoption process could also be a source of revenue. | 0:10:45 | 0:10:49 | |
Transporting the children to America was a costly process, | 0:10:52 | 0:10:56 | |
as these records in the Irish National Archive show. | 0:10:56 | 0:10:59 | |
Here we have our expenses for going to New York in 1952. | 0:11:00 | 0:11:05 | |
The nurse going tourist class would cost 241. | 0:11:05 | 0:11:08 | |
One infant over two years, 50% of the fare, 120. | 0:11:08 | 0:11:12 | |
One infant under two years, 10% of the fare. | 0:11:12 | 0:11:15 | |
Dublin Shannon via car 40. | 0:11:15 | 0:11:17 | |
Em, tax, 8, so total cost to each sponsor - 220.80. | 0:11:17 | 0:11:24 | |
It's a lot of money. | 0:11:24 | 0:11:26 | |
So that goes again to the social status and income of | 0:11:26 | 0:11:30 | |
the adopting parents, who could afford to pay that kind of money | 0:11:30 | 0:11:34 | |
to have the children sent abroad. | 0:11:34 | 0:11:36 | |
That's where you then come down to the question of, these people | 0:11:37 | 0:11:40 | |
were always going to be good for donations and good for paying | 0:11:40 | 0:11:44 | |
un-itemised invoices, which are in effect charging for the adoption. | 0:11:44 | 0:11:49 | |
Directly selling babies wasn't allowed | 0:11:51 | 0:11:54 | |
but it was common for the nuns to accept substantial donations | 0:11:54 | 0:11:58 | |
from adoptive parents. | 0:11:58 | 0:12:00 | |
I've looked at a number of cases in some detail where you can see that | 0:12:00 | 0:12:04 | |
over the, um, first few years of an adoption people would pay | 0:12:04 | 0:12:08 | |
the initial invoice that they got and then they | 0:12:08 | 0:12:11 | |
would make a number of donations. | 0:12:11 | 0:12:12 | |
And this would amount to hundreds of dollars. | 0:12:12 | 0:12:15 | |
That would be thousands of pounds in today's money. | 0:12:15 | 0:12:19 | |
The nuns were using what looks like a marketing strategy. | 0:12:21 | 0:12:26 | |
The children in the homes were photographed to attract couples | 0:12:26 | 0:12:29 | |
who would provide good homes - as well as handsome donations for the convents. | 0:12:29 | 0:12:34 | |
Some American adopters travelled to Ireland | 0:12:37 | 0:12:40 | |
but astonishingly, many children were taken | 0:12:40 | 0:12:43 | |
without their new parents ever stepping foot in the country. | 0:12:43 | 0:12:47 | |
The children from Ireland were sent to all four corners of America. | 0:12:56 | 0:13:00 | |
Philomena's son, Anthony, | 0:13:07 | 0:13:08 | |
had died by the time we discovered his identity. | 0:13:08 | 0:13:12 | |
But many of Ireland's lost children are of course still alive | 0:13:12 | 0:13:16 | |
so I headed to the US to find out what had become of some of them. | 0:13:16 | 0:13:21 | |
My first stop was Florida. | 0:13:25 | 0:13:27 | |
SAT NAV: You have reached your destination. | 0:13:30 | 0:13:32 | |
'I'd tracked down a woman who had arrived in America | 0:13:32 | 0:13:35 | |
'as a child in 1958.' | 0:13:35 | 0:13:37 | |
-Hello? -Hello, Cathy. -Hello, Martin. | 0:13:43 | 0:13:45 | |
-Martin. -Hi, how are you? | 0:13:45 | 0:13:47 | |
-Very pleased to meet you. -You look so different...than on TV. | 0:13:47 | 0:13:50 | |
-Yes. -You're better looking! -Thank you! -Oh. Nice to meet you. | 0:13:50 | 0:13:55 | |
Let's see what we've got. | 0:13:57 | 0:14:00 | |
-This is you, isn't it? -Yes. | 0:14:00 | 0:14:02 | |
OK. So where's that taken, Cathy? | 0:14:02 | 0:14:04 | |
That's at the Sacred Heart, Bessbro | 0:14:04 | 0:14:06 | |
and that's what I call one of the "prop shots". | 0:14:06 | 0:14:09 | |
So it's a prop shot because it's posed? | 0:14:09 | 0:14:11 | |
-To make you look a happy little... -Most definitely. | 0:14:11 | 0:14:13 | |
They told me to sit there. | 0:14:13 | 0:14:15 | |
In 1957, an American couple - | 0:14:18 | 0:14:21 | |
who had been turned down as adoptive parents in the US - | 0:14:21 | 0:14:24 | |
contacted the nuns in Ireland. | 0:14:24 | 0:14:26 | |
They were sent photos of the four-year-old Cathy. | 0:14:27 | 0:14:30 | |
They wanted a female | 0:14:32 | 0:14:33 | |
as a companion for their older daughter | 0:14:33 | 0:14:37 | |
and to be four or five years old. | 0:14:37 | 0:14:39 | |
So they had a preference. | 0:14:39 | 0:14:41 | |
They did it all by mail. | 0:14:42 | 0:14:44 | |
They didn't fly to and pick out a baby. | 0:14:44 | 0:14:47 | |
So you were literally a mail order child. | 0:14:47 | 0:14:49 | |
Yeah! Uh-huh. | 0:14:49 | 0:14:50 | |
-You were bought from a catalogue. -Exactly! | 0:14:50 | 0:14:53 | |
Cathy says her adoptive parents paid the nuns for a courier | 0:14:59 | 0:15:03 | |
to bring her to New York, where they lived. | 0:15:03 | 0:15:05 | |
Coming off that plane, I was very scared and frightened. | 0:15:09 | 0:15:13 | |
And felt alone. | 0:15:13 | 0:15:15 | |
This footage is of Cathy on her first days in New York. | 0:15:18 | 0:15:22 | |
My hands were held by my sister and my mother. | 0:15:22 | 0:15:26 | |
And I just followed them on to a new journey. | 0:15:26 | 0:15:31 | |
I was in a whole new world. | 0:15:31 | 0:15:32 | |
I had everything I could've wanted for or asked for. | 0:15:35 | 0:15:39 | |
Love and affection from my mother and sister was, | 0:15:39 | 0:15:41 | |
you know, was just something else. | 0:15:41 | 0:15:44 | |
UPBEAT '60s MUSIC | 0:15:46 | 0:15:49 | |
Cathy had a classic American upbringing | 0:15:54 | 0:15:56 | |
as part of a large and happy family. | 0:15:56 | 0:15:59 | |
She received a good education and dreamed of becoming a nurse. | 0:16:04 | 0:16:08 | |
I became a Red Cross volunteer, and on weekends my mother would | 0:16:10 | 0:16:14 | |
take me to the local hospital. | 0:16:14 | 0:16:16 | |
And I had my little uniform. | 0:16:16 | 0:16:18 | |
But Cathy's happy childhood began to go wrong | 0:16:24 | 0:16:27 | |
when her sister Dolores left their New York home to go to college. | 0:16:27 | 0:16:32 | |
She decided to move to California. | 0:16:34 | 0:16:36 | |
And, um... My parents went through, I think, | 0:16:36 | 0:16:39 | |
an empty nest syndrome. | 0:16:39 | 0:16:41 | |
And they missed her so much, you know. | 0:16:41 | 0:16:43 | |
With her sister gone, Cathy felt that her father turned against her. | 0:16:44 | 0:16:49 | |
She says he refused to send her to college. | 0:16:49 | 0:16:53 | |
He said, "By the way, you know, we had a college fund for you | 0:16:53 | 0:16:56 | |
"but we spent it. | 0:16:56 | 0:16:58 | |
"And we intend to continue spending it, and we're going on a cruise | 0:16:58 | 0:17:03 | |
"and we want you out of the house by 18." | 0:17:03 | 0:17:06 | |
A mail order adopted child, it seemed, | 0:17:11 | 0:17:14 | |
wasn't regarded as a commitment for life. | 0:17:14 | 0:17:17 | |
Her parents sold their home | 0:17:20 | 0:17:22 | |
and set out for California to be with their biological daughter. | 0:17:22 | 0:17:26 | |
It was horrible to say goodbye, cos they...they were the ones | 0:17:27 | 0:17:32 | |
who said hello to me, you know, when I got off the plane from Ireland. | 0:17:32 | 0:17:37 | |
And now they're saying goodbye. | 0:17:37 | 0:17:39 | |
And, uh, even though I was supposed to be older, I guess, | 0:17:40 | 0:17:44 | |
and get over it, like now it hurts, it still hurts. | 0:17:44 | 0:17:47 | |
The pain of rejection would finally lead Cathy to try | 0:17:55 | 0:17:58 | |
and find out about her roots, and to look for her birth mother. | 0:17:58 | 0:18:02 | |
Let me see where I'm connected. | 0:18:04 | 0:18:06 | |
Let me go find my roots. | 0:18:06 | 0:18:09 | |
Is my mother alive? Let me go meet her. | 0:18:09 | 0:18:12 | |
You know, let me find her. | 0:18:12 | 0:18:14 | |
It's thought that around 2,000 Irish babies like Cathy were sent | 0:18:26 | 0:18:31 | |
to the United States during the 1950s and '60s. | 0:18:31 | 0:18:35 | |
My next stop was the west coast of America, to find a man whose | 0:18:42 | 0:18:46 | |
adoption raises some disturbing questions about what safeguards | 0:18:46 | 0:18:51 | |
were put in place to protect these children. | 0:18:51 | 0:18:54 | |
-Hello, Mike? -Hello. Martin. | 0:18:58 | 0:19:00 | |
-Pleased to meet you. -Good to meet you. My wife Susan. -Hello, Susan. | 0:19:00 | 0:19:03 | |
Martin. Hello, pleased to meet you. | 0:19:03 | 0:19:05 | |
In 1961, Mike Hawkes and his twin sister were brought to Saratoga in California. | 0:19:05 | 0:19:12 | |
It wasn't a mail order adoption. | 0:19:14 | 0:19:17 | |
An American Catholic priest - Monsignor Benjamin Hawkes - | 0:19:17 | 0:19:21 | |
identified the children in a Catholic Church-run home | 0:19:21 | 0:19:24 | |
in Ireland and delivered them to his own brother for adoption. | 0:19:24 | 0:19:28 | |
They were extremely orthodox Catholic. Good people in that | 0:19:30 | 0:19:34 | |
they put forward a home and clothes and shelter. | 0:19:34 | 0:19:39 | |
And, ah... but very strict along the line. | 0:19:41 | 0:19:44 | |
Just like Cathy, Mike's American life started out pretty well. | 0:19:45 | 0:19:50 | |
They told their friends. | 0:19:51 | 0:19:52 | |
They told their acquaintances that came to the home that we were | 0:19:52 | 0:19:56 | |
two adopted children from Ireland. | 0:19:56 | 0:19:58 | |
And we were cute little buggers. I'll be honest. | 0:19:58 | 0:20:01 | |
I'd say that we were probably comfortable together in public | 0:20:03 | 0:20:08 | |
and got along seemingly very well. | 0:20:08 | 0:20:10 | |
But as they grew up, the twins rebelled against their parents' strict rules, | 0:20:18 | 0:20:23 | |
and their adoptions became the subject of rows and recrimination. | 0:20:23 | 0:20:28 | |
My sister was told that, er, it was unfortunate that she was adopted. | 0:20:28 | 0:20:32 | |
And you... Maybe you heard the words that "you won't amount to much". | 0:20:32 | 0:20:36 | |
In the background, the priest who'd brought Mike to California, Monsignor Benjamin Hawkes, | 0:20:40 | 0:20:46 | |
continued to play a significant role in his life. | 0:20:46 | 0:20:49 | |
He kept a very tight rein on what you were doing. | 0:20:53 | 0:20:56 | |
My uncle was very strong-willed. | 0:20:59 | 0:21:02 | |
And, er, going against that will was not healthy. | 0:21:02 | 0:21:07 | |
Not healthy. | 0:21:09 | 0:21:11 | |
Hawkes had become a powerful figure in the Church hierarchy. | 0:21:13 | 0:21:17 | |
I believe The Times called him, at one point in time, | 0:21:19 | 0:21:23 | |
one of the ten most influential people in Los Angeles. | 0:21:23 | 0:21:26 | |
But the Monsignor had a secret life. | 0:21:28 | 0:21:30 | |
The individual led two lives. | 0:21:32 | 0:21:34 | |
He led a life full of culture as a priest... | 0:21:35 | 0:21:42 | |
and he led a life as a paedophile or manipulator. | 0:21:42 | 0:21:47 | |
After his death in 1985, a number of men came forward to say that | 0:21:49 | 0:21:54 | |
Monsignor Hawkes had abused them as children. | 0:21:54 | 0:21:57 | |
It's a brutal way to live your life. | 0:21:59 | 0:22:01 | |
But yet because of that, | 0:22:02 | 0:22:04 | |
his affliction is inflicted on other people. | 0:22:04 | 0:22:07 | |
Where the individuals have just... | 0:22:07 | 0:22:10 | |
Lives have been completely destroyed. | 0:22:10 | 0:22:12 | |
The revelations about Monsignor Hawkes cast a shadow over Mike's adoption. | 0:22:16 | 0:22:22 | |
In later life he would seek answers about the circumstances of his case. | 0:22:22 | 0:22:27 | |
The fact that a paedophile priest appeared to have access to young children | 0:22:31 | 0:22:36 | |
raises grave questions about the whole adoption process. | 0:22:36 | 0:22:40 | |
Just how were those involved vetted? | 0:22:40 | 0:22:44 | |
The Irish Church set up its own vetting system | 0:22:48 | 0:22:52 | |
that relied on local Catholic organisations in America | 0:22:52 | 0:22:55 | |
to assess the suitability of prospective adopters. | 0:22:55 | 0:22:59 | |
The first requirement was that they be Catholics | 0:23:02 | 0:23:04 | |
and that meant that they had to be able to show, through their priests, | 0:23:04 | 0:23:08 | |
that they were practising. | 0:23:08 | 0:23:10 | |
Another requirement was that they be wealthy. | 0:23:10 | 0:23:13 | |
They had to make full declarations of their income. | 0:23:13 | 0:23:17 | |
And I'd say those were the two | 0:23:17 | 0:23:19 | |
primary concerns - religion and money. | 0:23:19 | 0:23:21 | |
Catholic Charities was the organisation in America | 0:23:24 | 0:23:28 | |
that the Church had chosen to carry out the vetting | 0:23:28 | 0:23:31 | |
of prospective parents. | 0:23:31 | 0:23:33 | |
Catholic Charities, by its own admission, wasn't up to that job, | 0:23:33 | 0:23:37 | |
and confessed, very late in the day, that they didn't actually have | 0:23:37 | 0:23:40 | |
the personnel, they didn't have the systems, | 0:23:40 | 0:23:42 | |
they didn't have the resources. | 0:23:42 | 0:23:43 | |
And in many states they weren't even legally registered | 0:23:43 | 0:23:46 | |
as adoption agencies. | 0:23:46 | 0:23:47 | |
I had heard about a case that might reveal | 0:23:56 | 0:23:59 | |
some of the workings of the whole adoption system. | 0:23:59 | 0:24:02 | |
Well, we've come out here to the beautiful | 0:24:05 | 0:24:07 | |
mountains of western Massachusetts on a hunch, really. | 0:24:07 | 0:24:10 | |
We're looking for one Irish girl who was adopted in the 1950s. | 0:24:10 | 0:24:14 | |
-Good day. -Hello, Mary. | 0:24:25 | 0:24:27 | |
Martin Sixsmith from BBC Television. | 0:24:27 | 0:24:29 | |
-It's a pleasure, sir. -Very pleased to meet you. | 0:24:29 | 0:24:31 | |
-Nice to meet you, please come in. -Thank you. | 0:24:31 | 0:24:34 | |
The beginning of Mary Monaghan's story followed a familiar pattern. | 0:24:34 | 0:24:38 | |
My mother was a fallen woman, therefore I'm the spawn of the devil. | 0:24:39 | 0:24:43 | |
I really do not remember a lot, but you have feelings, | 0:24:44 | 0:24:48 | |
you know, and, erm... | 0:24:48 | 0:24:49 | |
..you still can feel it, sort of just being ripped away, you know? | 0:24:51 | 0:24:55 | |
Even though you don't necessarily remember the physicality. | 0:24:57 | 0:25:00 | |
But, you know, it's an emotional thing. | 0:25:02 | 0:25:04 | |
'Mary has managed to track down some | 0:25:07 | 0:25:10 | |
'of the original documents relating to her adoption.' | 0:25:10 | 0:25:13 | |
Could you just read that paragraph to us, because it's a very... | 0:25:14 | 0:25:17 | |
Right. | 0:25:17 | 0:25:18 | |
"I hereby relinquish full claim forever to my child | 0:25:18 | 0:25:21 | |
"Mary Theresa Monaghan born on the 7th day of | 0:25:21 | 0:25:25 | |
"October 1950 and I undertake never to make any claim to said child." | 0:25:25 | 0:25:31 | |
Gosh! That's quite a... | 0:25:31 | 0:25:33 | |
That's quite a heart-rending document, isn't it? | 0:25:33 | 0:25:35 | |
You're giving away your child to someone. | 0:25:35 | 0:25:37 | |
I know, it's just... | 0:25:37 | 0:25:39 | |
It's medieval. | 0:25:39 | 0:25:41 | |
According to the Church's policy, the Catholic Welfare Bureau | 0:25:44 | 0:25:48 | |
was responsible for vetting the couple who wanted | 0:25:48 | 0:25:51 | |
to adopt Mary - Mr and Mrs O'Brien. | 0:25:51 | 0:25:54 | |
But Mary has discovered a document that shows | 0:25:59 | 0:26:01 | |
that only Mrs O'Brien was ever spoken to. | 0:26:01 | 0:26:04 | |
Mrs O'Brien clearly was a nice person. | 0:26:06 | 0:26:10 | |
Oh, indeed, she was. | 0:26:10 | 0:26:11 | |
-She would pass their test. -Indeed. | 0:26:11 | 0:26:13 | |
William O'Brien had adopted a child before in America. | 0:26:16 | 0:26:20 | |
But he wasn't spoken to by the Catholic Welfare Bureau | 0:26:20 | 0:26:24 | |
in relation to adopting Mary. | 0:26:24 | 0:26:26 | |
Nevertheless, she was taken from her mother by the nuns | 0:26:26 | 0:26:30 | |
and handed over to William O'Brien to be transported to America. | 0:26:30 | 0:26:34 | |
From the start, Mary struggled to adapt to her new life. | 0:26:37 | 0:26:41 | |
I would be ill and I had all kinds of allergies | 0:26:42 | 0:26:44 | |
and I'd break out, because I was allergic to food! | 0:26:44 | 0:26:48 | |
From the outside, their family life in Huntington Park, California, | 0:26:49 | 0:26:54 | |
seemed normal. | 0:26:54 | 0:26:55 | |
Like many of the families given Irish children to adopt, | 0:26:55 | 0:26:59 | |
the O'Briens were prosperous | 0:26:59 | 0:27:01 | |
and respected within their local Catholic community. | 0:27:01 | 0:27:04 | |
And what are your memories of that period, of your childhood? | 0:27:06 | 0:27:10 | |
Ah... | 0:27:10 | 0:27:11 | |
My memories are terrible, to tell you the truth. | 0:27:13 | 0:27:16 | |
I was physically punished for not being able to eat. | 0:27:16 | 0:27:20 | |
And if I did anything like a little child does, | 0:27:20 | 0:27:23 | |
like wet the bed... | 0:27:23 | 0:27:25 | |
I'd be... | 0:27:25 | 0:27:28 | |
literally put in the toilet. | 0:27:28 | 0:27:29 | |
And then the sexual abuse began very soon after that and | 0:27:31 | 0:27:36 | |
it just progressed. | 0:27:36 | 0:27:38 | |
I had to be kept in my little routine, as it were. | 0:27:38 | 0:27:43 | |
So I wouldn't try to break away. | 0:27:43 | 0:27:47 | |
It's all systematic and it's... | 0:27:47 | 0:27:50 | |
I mean, it's serious... | 0:27:50 | 0:27:53 | |
very serious paedophile thinking. | 0:27:53 | 0:27:55 | |
Mary had been placed in the care of a monster. | 0:27:57 | 0:28:00 | |
Throughout her childhood she was abused by her adoptive father. | 0:28:02 | 0:28:08 | |
Was there no way that you could | 0:28:08 | 0:28:09 | |
reach out for help outside the family? | 0:28:09 | 0:28:12 | |
I could not perceive of any way of doing it, just to protect myself. | 0:28:13 | 0:28:19 | |
Because if it was known that I tried to do that, | 0:28:20 | 0:28:24 | |
I don't think I'd probably live to see another day, | 0:28:24 | 0:28:27 | |
and that's not an exaggeration. | 0:28:27 | 0:28:29 | |
And this was being done to you by the one person you should be able | 0:28:31 | 0:28:34 | |
to trust and who should be there to protect you. | 0:28:34 | 0:28:37 | |
Correct. Correct. | 0:28:37 | 0:28:38 | |
And he had the world fooled. | 0:28:40 | 0:28:41 | |
The more you talk to the children who were sent out here to America, | 0:28:55 | 0:28:59 | |
and there were hundreds of them, | 0:28:59 | 0:29:00 | |
the more you realise what a lottery the whole system was. | 0:29:00 | 0:29:04 | |
Some of the children had happy lives with the families they were | 0:29:04 | 0:29:07 | |
sent to, but many of them didn't | 0:29:07 | 0:29:09 | |
and some of them were physically and sexually abused. | 0:29:09 | 0:29:13 | |
What their stories show, just like Philomena and her son, | 0:29:22 | 0:29:26 | |
is that many of the mothers and their children feel an overwhelming need to find answers | 0:29:26 | 0:29:31 | |
about their lives. | 0:29:31 | 0:29:33 | |
But over the decades that followed the adoptions, | 0:29:36 | 0:29:39 | |
it was to prove almost impossible to find those answers. | 0:29:39 | 0:29:43 | |
By the early 1970s, the export of Irish children to America | 0:29:55 | 0:30:00 | |
for adoption had come to an end. | 0:30:00 | 0:30:02 | |
Lord, have mercy... | 0:30:02 | 0:30:04 | |
In 1973, the government introduced a new, | 0:30:04 | 0:30:08 | |
unmarried mothers' allowance that meant | 0:30:08 | 0:30:10 | |
women could afford to raise their own children. | 0:30:10 | 0:30:13 | |
..seeds of wisdom... | 0:30:13 | 0:30:15 | |
It's estimated that by then there had been around 40,000 | 0:30:15 | 0:30:20 | |
to 60,000 adoptions, most within Ireland itself. | 0:30:20 | 0:30:24 | |
But wherever they'd been adopted, these were mothers and children | 0:30:24 | 0:30:28 | |
who might one day start looking for each other. | 0:30:28 | 0:30:32 | |
..health of the weak, refuge of sinners... | 0:30:32 | 0:30:35 | |
Now, coming for a walkie? | 0:30:37 | 0:30:39 | |
Coming for a walkie? | 0:30:39 | 0:30:40 | |
In the meantime, people got on with their lives. | 0:30:40 | 0:30:44 | |
Lily, who gave up her son Joseph to be adopted to America, | 0:30:46 | 0:30:50 | |
eventually married the boy's father. | 0:30:50 | 0:30:53 | |
But they kept it secret that they'd had a child out of wedlock. | 0:30:53 | 0:30:58 | |
If anybody asked me, "Have you any family?" and I always said, "No," | 0:30:58 | 0:31:01 | |
I was always in denial, "No". | 0:31:01 | 0:31:03 | |
The shame would have been there. | 0:31:04 | 0:31:06 | |
Lily never forgot her son. | 0:31:08 | 0:31:10 | |
-Now, I have a photograph here to show you of Joseph. -Yes. | 0:31:11 | 0:31:15 | |
That's Joseph. | 0:31:15 | 0:31:16 | |
-That is very precious to me that I have that photograph. -Yes. | 0:31:16 | 0:31:21 | |
-And then there's a little surprise. -Ah. | 0:31:21 | 0:31:23 | |
Oh, my goodness, what's... Let me put my glasses on. | 0:31:25 | 0:31:28 | |
This is the tag of his cot. | 0:31:28 | 0:31:31 | |
Yes, oh, let me see. | 0:31:31 | 0:31:33 | |
And it definitely brings back the memories, like, I mean, of all the... | 0:31:33 | 0:31:36 | |
Gosh, yes, it's got his name on it, his date of birth and... | 0:31:36 | 0:31:39 | |
Yes. | 0:31:39 | 0:31:40 | |
It took 28 years for Lily to confront the stigma of her past | 0:31:46 | 0:31:52 | |
and pluck up the courage to write to the Church | 0:31:52 | 0:31:55 | |
to see if they could help her track down her son. | 0:31:55 | 0:31:57 | |
But she didn't get any information from the nuns. | 0:32:00 | 0:32:04 | |
I wouldn't have got his... | 0:32:04 | 0:32:06 | |
They didn't give me his parents' name or nothing. | 0:32:06 | 0:32:12 | |
I got none of that. | 0:32:12 | 0:32:13 | |
Mary, hiya. | 0:32:15 | 0:32:17 | |
Around the same time Lily was looking for her son, there was | 0:32:17 | 0:32:20 | |
a breakthrough in the whole adoption story. | 0:32:20 | 0:32:24 | |
In 1996, an archivist was reviewing Irish government records | 0:32:24 | 0:32:29 | |
when she stumbled across secret files on the American adoptions. | 0:32:29 | 0:32:34 | |
-This is our lovely reading room where everyone finds out things about Irish history. -Yes. | 0:32:34 | 0:32:38 | |
I went downstairs here in our repository and found 2,000 files. | 0:32:38 | 0:32:43 | |
Six of them, these files here that deal with the policy behind the | 0:32:43 | 0:32:48 | |
system of adoption of Irish children in America and the others, almost | 0:32:48 | 0:32:52 | |
2,000 of them, dealing with the case files. | 0:32:52 | 0:32:55 | |
The files revealed that government officials were granting the nuns | 0:32:55 | 0:33:00 | |
the passports they needed to get the children out of the country. | 0:33:00 | 0:33:04 | |
"Irish passports, issued to children | 0:33:06 | 0:33:08 | |
"to enable to leave Ireland for legal adoption abroad, | 0:33:08 | 0:33:11 | |
"nearly all in the USA. | 0:33:11 | 0:33:12 | |
"The children concerned were almost all invariably Catholics and of | 0:33:12 | 0:33:15 | |
"illegitimate birth and were over one year of age. | 0:33:15 | 0:33:17 | |
"Figures for the proceeding five years were as follows: | 0:33:17 | 0:33:20 | |
"1952 - 193. | 0:33:20 | 0:33:22 | |
"1953 - 128. | 0:33:22 | 0:33:23 | |
"1954 - 182. | 0:33:23 | 0:33:25 | |
"1955 - 184. | 0:33:25 | 0:33:27 | |
"1956 - 111." | 0:33:27 | 0:33:29 | |
The files revealed the scale of the American adoptions. | 0:33:31 | 0:33:35 | |
But the documents identifying individual cases were held | 0:33:35 | 0:33:39 | |
in secret by the Catholic institutions involved | 0:33:39 | 0:33:43 | |
and by the Irish state. | 0:33:43 | 0:33:45 | |
This meant it was impossible for the people | 0:33:45 | 0:33:47 | |
searching to obtain the information they needed. | 0:33:47 | 0:33:51 | |
In a lot of cases, as in Philomena's case, the child and the mother | 0:33:52 | 0:33:57 | |
had been looking for each other and the nuns to whom they had turned | 0:33:57 | 0:34:00 | |
had not brought them together but had forced them apart again, | 0:34:00 | 0:34:03 | |
by telling them lies, by deceiving them, | 0:34:03 | 0:34:06 | |
by misinforming them, whatever you want to call it. | 0:34:06 | 0:34:08 | |
They have perpetrated the wrongs that they did in the first place. | 0:34:08 | 0:34:12 | |
The Church says it was often prevented from helping | 0:34:14 | 0:34:17 | |
by confidentiality laws. | 0:34:17 | 0:34:19 | |
Frustrated after four years of seeking answers from the nuns | 0:34:19 | 0:34:23 | |
and the Irish government, | 0:34:23 | 0:34:25 | |
Lily asked for help from a search agency in America. | 0:34:25 | 0:34:29 | |
Within months they had tracked her son down. | 0:34:29 | 0:34:33 | |
Lily wrote to him, and a few weeks later received a reply. | 0:34:33 | 0:34:37 | |
"I cannot imagine how hard it must have been for you to spend that | 0:34:37 | 0:34:44 | |
"much time with me before you had to give me up and I respect your | 0:34:44 | 0:34:50 | |
"decision that you have made, and I have no resentment towards you." | 0:34:50 | 0:34:56 | |
And the sad thing is that that came in 1999 | 0:34:56 | 0:34:59 | |
-and we're 15 years on. -That's right, yeah. | 0:34:59 | 0:35:02 | |
That seemed like a breakthrough | 0:35:02 | 0:35:03 | |
-but it didn't lead to you finding him. -No, it didn't. | 0:35:03 | 0:35:05 | |
No, it didn't, no. | 0:35:05 | 0:35:07 | |
Sadly for Lily, Joseph didn't continue the correspondence, | 0:35:16 | 0:35:21 | |
and at the time, she felt she had to give up her quest. | 0:35:21 | 0:35:24 | |
I didn't want to hurt the parents and he was very protective | 0:35:25 | 0:35:29 | |
of his parents, you know, like when he had stressed that in a letter, | 0:35:29 | 0:35:33 | |
that, yeah, he was very... | 0:35:33 | 0:35:35 | |
He didn't want anyone annoying them, you know, so... | 0:35:35 | 0:35:38 | |
And it wasn't just the mothers who were looking for answers. | 0:35:46 | 0:35:50 | |
By the 1990s, many of the adopted children | 0:35:50 | 0:35:53 | |
had begun their own searches. | 0:35:53 | 0:35:55 | |
Cathy Deasey was one of then, | 0:36:00 | 0:36:03 | |
and from 1989 she began writing to Sister Sarto Harney, | 0:36:03 | 0:36:07 | |
the nun in charge of records from three of the main homes | 0:36:07 | 0:36:11 | |
that sent children to America. | 0:36:11 | 0:36:12 | |
Like many of the adoptees, Cathy found Sister Sarto unhelpful | 0:36:16 | 0:36:21 | |
and says she was frustrated | 0:36:21 | 0:36:23 | |
by a letter she received from her in 2002. | 0:36:23 | 0:36:26 | |
She told me in a letter that, "Your mother's probably dead so | 0:36:28 | 0:36:30 | |
"why are you continuing the search?" | 0:36:30 | 0:36:32 | |
Finally, Cathy located a group of Irish adoptees | 0:36:35 | 0:36:39 | |
who had some experience of searches like hers. | 0:36:39 | 0:36:43 | |
With their help, the mystery of her mother's whereabouts was solved. | 0:36:43 | 0:36:48 | |
I was all excited. | 0:36:49 | 0:36:51 | |
I called about ten friends, I said, "My God, I've found my mother." | 0:36:51 | 0:36:56 | |
And they said just, "Best of luck", you know, | 0:36:56 | 0:36:59 | |
"Be gentle", you know, and, "Good luck and we're all with you." | 0:36:59 | 0:37:05 | |
Within weeks, Cathy was preparing to set off for Ireland | 0:37:07 | 0:37:11 | |
with a friend for the first time since she'd left as a child. | 0:37:11 | 0:37:15 | |
It was good that I had my best friend with me, because I didn't know | 0:37:15 | 0:37:19 | |
how to drive, on the wrong side of the road, | 0:37:19 | 0:37:23 | |
and we were escorted by my family and then we drove to the house | 0:37:23 | 0:37:28 | |
where my mother was. | 0:37:28 | 0:37:29 | |
-How are you? -OK, not too bad. | 0:37:31 | 0:37:34 | |
Good. | 0:37:34 | 0:37:35 | |
-I'm your daughter. -Uh? -I'm your daughter. | 0:37:37 | 0:37:39 | |
-Yeah. -Yeah. | 0:37:39 | 0:37:42 | |
-So I still have the same red hair? -Huh? | 0:37:42 | 0:37:45 | |
I have the red hair. | 0:37:45 | 0:37:48 | |
'There she was, this little lady, who was my mother.' | 0:37:48 | 0:37:54 | |
It was the happiest moment of my life, you know? | 0:37:54 | 0:37:58 | |
And she was smiling and you could see the joy in her eyes. | 0:37:58 | 0:38:04 | |
Cathy discovered that after she had been sent to America, her mother | 0:38:07 | 0:38:12 | |
had spent another 35 years in an institution | 0:38:12 | 0:38:16 | |
run by the Catholic Church, a few miles away from | 0:38:16 | 0:38:19 | |
the mother and baby home where Cathy was born. | 0:38:19 | 0:38:22 | |
It was a miracle to be with her and that she was alive. | 0:38:23 | 0:38:28 | |
I won't forget about you. | 0:38:29 | 0:38:31 | |
'Whenever she said that it broke her heart' | 0:38:31 | 0:38:34 | |
that she... I was taken from her... | 0:38:34 | 0:38:38 | |
that, to me, | 0:38:38 | 0:38:40 | |
those were very hard words but it was the truth. | 0:38:40 | 0:38:44 | |
And I finally found the truth that I was never unwanted. | 0:38:44 | 0:38:49 | |
That I was never abandoned. | 0:38:49 | 0:38:51 | |
Never. | 0:38:51 | 0:38:52 | |
Finally reunited with her mother, Cathy wanted answers | 0:38:58 | 0:39:02 | |
from the nun in charge of the records | 0:39:02 | 0:39:05 | |
who she felt had been so unhelpful to her search. | 0:39:05 | 0:39:08 | |
She headed back to the home where she was born. | 0:39:08 | 0:39:11 | |
'I had to do an actual car chase to track | 0:39:13 | 0:39:16 | |
'this Sister Sarto down.' | 0:39:16 | 0:39:18 | |
That's her! | 0:39:18 | 0:39:19 | |
I was knocking on the door. | 0:39:21 | 0:39:23 | |
'We went in the front door | 0:39:23 | 0:39:25 | |
'and I confronted her and she said she didn't know | 0:39:25 | 0:39:28 | |
'anything about my file.' | 0:39:28 | 0:39:29 | |
-Can I have your name? -Catherine. -Catherine what? | 0:39:29 | 0:39:32 | |
Cathy Deseay. And it was Sheehey. | 0:39:32 | 0:39:34 | |
-Johanna Sheehey was my mother. -Yes. | 0:39:34 | 0:39:36 | |
You see, we're dealing with hundreds. | 0:39:36 | 0:39:38 | |
I'll have to look up the reference number. | 0:39:38 | 0:39:41 | |
'I said I lived here, I was born here. | 0:39:41 | 0:39:43 | |
'I've been writing to you for so long.' | 0:39:43 | 0:39:46 | |
It's an awful shame that you didn't make contact with us, | 0:39:46 | 0:39:50 | |
that we would have made preparations for your visit. | 0:39:50 | 0:39:54 | |
'I said, "I found my mother. My mother's alive." | 0:39:54 | 0:39:58 | |
I said, "I had tea with her this morning." | 0:39:58 | 0:40:01 | |
Cathy felt the nuns could have given her | 0:40:01 | 0:40:03 | |
the information she needed about her mother right from the start. | 0:40:03 | 0:40:08 | |
'She was right down the street.' | 0:40:08 | 0:40:10 | |
All those years I had no idea where she is. | 0:40:10 | 0:40:12 | |
They knew where she was. | 0:40:12 | 0:40:14 | |
After a brief look through the records | 0:40:15 | 0:40:18 | |
Sister Sarto found Cathy's file, including the letters | 0:40:18 | 0:40:22 | |
Cathy had been sending her, asking for help. | 0:40:22 | 0:40:25 | |
Catherine! There I am. And there's my letters. | 0:40:25 | 0:40:29 | |
-You've got the whole file! -Right. -Very good. | 0:40:29 | 0:40:31 | |
Cathy's mother died in 2009, seven years after she'd found her. | 0:40:36 | 0:40:41 | |
I innocently just wanted to find my mother. | 0:40:43 | 0:40:46 | |
And the sad part is, I could have met my mother sooner. | 0:40:46 | 0:40:50 | |
Maybe she would have been in better health. | 0:40:50 | 0:40:52 | |
I would have had a longer time with her. | 0:40:52 | 0:40:54 | |
Oh, that's tomorrow. | 0:40:57 | 0:40:59 | |
I asked the nuns, the Order Of The Sacred Hearts Of Jesus And Mary, | 0:40:59 | 0:41:04 | |
about why they failed to give Cathy more information | 0:41:04 | 0:41:07 | |
about her birth mother. | 0:41:07 | 0:41:09 | |
They said they understood how disappointing and frustrating | 0:41:09 | 0:41:12 | |
it must have been, but that they couldn't give out information | 0:41:12 | 0:41:16 | |
because of confidentiality laws. | 0:41:16 | 0:41:18 | |
And then we'll see where I was born. | 0:41:18 | 0:41:20 | |
Now, here we are, this is an interesting one. | 0:41:25 | 0:41:28 | |
You're sitting here with the mother superior | 0:41:28 | 0:41:32 | |
and you're not looking happy again there, Mike, are you? | 0:41:32 | 0:41:36 | |
I tried. I really tried to put on a good face. | 0:41:36 | 0:41:39 | |
Mike Hawkes's search for his mother had an even sadder outcome. | 0:41:43 | 0:41:48 | |
In 1996 he asked St Patrick's Guild, | 0:41:52 | 0:41:56 | |
the Catholic adoption agency in Ireland that had handled his case, | 0:41:56 | 0:41:59 | |
for information about his mother. | 0:41:59 | 0:42:01 | |
Over the next year and a half he got nothing | 0:42:05 | 0:42:07 | |
from them that would help him find his mother. | 0:42:07 | 0:42:12 | |
Then, in 1998, the nuns wrote to Mike with bad news. | 0:42:12 | 0:42:17 | |
"I rang your birth mother's home, | 0:42:17 | 0:42:19 | |
"and unfortunately she passed away in October of last year." | 0:42:19 | 0:42:24 | |
So you'd asked for this information which they clearly had | 0:42:26 | 0:42:29 | |
-when she was clearly still alive. -Precisely. | 0:42:29 | 0:42:32 | |
Quite honestly, | 0:42:32 | 0:42:34 | |
they knew where she was and could have gathered the information | 0:42:34 | 0:42:38 | |
with a telephone call in that day. | 0:42:38 | 0:42:40 | |
Even after learning of his mother's death, | 0:42:43 | 0:42:46 | |
Mike was keen to find out more about her. | 0:42:46 | 0:42:49 | |
He tracked down a cousin in Ireland who managed to find a photo. | 0:42:52 | 0:42:56 | |
This one is your birth mother. | 0:42:58 | 0:43:01 | |
This is actually my birth mother. | 0:43:01 | 0:43:03 | |
We don't know exactly how old she was in this picture so | 0:43:03 | 0:43:06 | |
therefore when it was taken. | 0:43:06 | 0:43:07 | |
-I can see the family resemblance immediately. -Right. | 0:43:07 | 0:43:10 | |
-And her name was? -Her name was Betty. | 0:43:10 | 0:43:13 | |
BAGPIPES PLAY | 0:43:15 | 0:43:18 | |
It's St Patrick's Day in Dublin. | 0:43:21 | 0:43:24 | |
It's Mike's first visit to the country since he was taken away | 0:43:30 | 0:43:35 | |
from his mother more than 50 years ago. | 0:43:35 | 0:43:38 | |
IRISH BAND PLAYS | 0:43:38 | 0:43:40 | |
Look at the street! Good heavens! | 0:43:44 | 0:43:47 | |
This is absolutely gorgeous. | 0:43:47 | 0:43:50 | |
His cousin has helped find his mother's grave. | 0:43:53 | 0:43:56 | |
-That's very nice. -It's very beautiful. | 0:44:11 | 0:44:14 | |
I'm a changed man to be able to simply pay tribute to her | 0:44:21 | 0:44:25 | |
at her grave. | 0:44:25 | 0:44:27 | |
She's a good person... | 0:44:27 | 0:44:29 | |
She was a good person, | 0:44:29 | 0:44:31 | |
and her family attest to that, and I think it's very important | 0:44:31 | 0:44:35 | |
to find family members that knew your family | 0:44:35 | 0:44:40 | |
when you can't meet them, when you don't... | 0:44:40 | 0:44:42 | |
aren't allowed to meet them. | 0:44:42 | 0:44:43 | |
The Nuns Of St Patrick's Guild declined | 0:44:50 | 0:44:53 | |
to be interviewed for this programme, but they told me | 0:44:53 | 0:44:56 | |
they help everyone looking for information | 0:44:56 | 0:44:59 | |
about their adoption to the very best of their ability. | 0:44:59 | 0:45:02 | |
They did agree to see Mike | 0:45:05 | 0:45:07 | |
but at their meeting he felt he wasn't given any | 0:45:07 | 0:45:10 | |
new information about his mother. | 0:45:10 | 0:45:12 | |
The worst part or frustrating part | 0:45:13 | 0:45:16 | |
would be walking to the St Patrick's Guild | 0:45:16 | 0:45:20 | |
and walking out with a feeling of nothing, | 0:45:20 | 0:45:23 | |
other than finding out basically what my father's name was | 0:45:23 | 0:45:26 | |
which was on a piece of paper, which again could've been sent years ago. | 0:45:26 | 0:45:30 | |
Crucially, Mike wanted to know more about Monsignor Hawkes - | 0:45:34 | 0:45:39 | |
the paedophile priest who had taken him to California as an infant. | 0:45:39 | 0:45:43 | |
Did he abuse his status as a priest to get access to children? | 0:45:43 | 0:45:47 | |
At the meeting, Mike says | 0:45:54 | 0:45:56 | |
the nun in charge made a revealing admission. | 0:45:56 | 0:45:59 | |
"Did he cut through the red tape?" and she said it would have | 0:46:01 | 0:46:04 | |
been easier for him to cut through the process | 0:46:04 | 0:46:07 | |
cos of his status and position within the Church. | 0:46:07 | 0:46:11 | |
It isn't known whether Monsignor Hawkes | 0:46:15 | 0:46:17 | |
used the adoption process to find his victims | 0:46:17 | 0:46:21 | |
but in the 30 years since he died, more cases | 0:46:21 | 0:46:24 | |
of this serial paedophile's abuse continue to emerge. | 0:46:24 | 0:46:28 | |
I felt sorrow for the victims and I felt sorrow for him, | 0:46:29 | 0:46:34 | |
and he was in my prayers a lot, as well as the victims. | 0:46:34 | 0:46:39 | |
It is not for me to be his judge here on Earth, | 0:46:41 | 0:46:45 | |
although what he did and what I know he did was horrible. | 0:46:45 | 0:46:49 | |
SHE LAUGHS | 0:46:59 | 0:47:01 | |
Oh, it's deeper than I thought! | 0:47:01 | 0:47:03 | |
The story of Mary Monaghan also raises disturbing questions. | 0:47:09 | 0:47:15 | |
Sent by the nuns into the home of an abuser, | 0:47:24 | 0:47:28 | |
her life has been ruined by her experiences. | 0:47:28 | 0:47:31 | |
I think if they did proper vetting, I wouldn't have been placed | 0:47:35 | 0:47:38 | |
in that household. | 0:47:38 | 0:47:40 | |
How do you feel now? | 0:47:41 | 0:47:43 | |
-Sad. -Completely defenceless. | 0:47:43 | 0:47:45 | |
-Yes. -Unable to fend for yourself, in the Church's care. | 0:47:45 | 0:47:51 | |
Church's care?! | 0:47:51 | 0:47:53 | |
How do I feel now? | 0:47:53 | 0:47:55 | |
Well, it's been a lot to overcome. | 0:47:55 | 0:47:59 | |
Um, I still have flashbacks sometimes. | 0:47:59 | 0:48:02 | |
And I still struggle with, you know, substance abuse occasionally. | 0:48:02 | 0:48:06 | |
And I've been diagnosed with post-traumatic stress disorder. | 0:48:06 | 0:48:10 | |
The nuns who ran the home where Mary was born | 0:48:11 | 0:48:14 | |
also declined to be interviewed. | 0:48:14 | 0:48:17 | |
In a letter they said her adoptive father had | 0:48:17 | 0:48:19 | |
previously been cleared to adopt in California | 0:48:19 | 0:48:23 | |
and that vetting was the responsibility of either | 0:48:23 | 0:48:25 | |
the American adoption agency or the Catholic Welfare Bureau. | 0:48:25 | 0:48:30 | |
Mary, too, had little help from the Church | 0:48:34 | 0:48:36 | |
as she searched for her mother. | 0:48:36 | 0:48:39 | |
But finally, through a private agency, | 0:48:39 | 0:48:42 | |
she tracked her down in London. | 0:48:42 | 0:48:44 | |
This is wonderful! | 0:48:45 | 0:48:47 | |
Bungee. Bungee! | 0:48:47 | 0:48:49 | |
'Well, that was quite a moment when we first met.' | 0:48:49 | 0:48:52 | |
I went up to her and I hugged her. | 0:48:53 | 0:48:56 | |
She froze, she literally froze. | 0:48:56 | 0:48:58 | |
So it came clear to me that I needed to tread lightly. | 0:48:58 | 0:49:03 | |
It was very clear that I was to keep my mouth shut, you know? | 0:49:08 | 0:49:13 | |
I'm a secret, that I was a long-lost cousin. | 0:49:13 | 0:49:18 | |
Yeah, so I played along, best I could, but some people did guess. | 0:49:18 | 0:49:22 | |
After spending 52 years apart, despite the difficulties | 0:49:26 | 0:49:30 | |
of coming to terms with their relationship, | 0:49:30 | 0:49:33 | |
Mary and her mother had nearly a decade together. | 0:49:33 | 0:49:36 | |
-It's nice to see that they all have visitors. -Yes. | 0:49:39 | 0:49:42 | |
Her mother died in 2010, and is buried near London. | 0:49:42 | 0:49:46 | |
This is the first time Mary has visited her grave. | 0:49:46 | 0:49:50 | |
-You can't pick 'em up, it'd be disrespectful. -Mary? | 0:49:50 | 0:49:53 | |
Oh. | 0:49:53 | 0:49:54 | |
-Oh, there are flowers here, too. -That's it, isn't it? | 0:49:54 | 0:49:58 | |
Teresa Nellie. | 0:49:58 | 0:50:00 | |
OK, I'm going to fuss around a bit here. | 0:50:00 | 0:50:02 | |
I think I can just put these there. | 0:50:03 | 0:50:08 | |
Yeah. | 0:50:09 | 0:50:10 | |
There. | 0:50:11 | 0:50:13 | |
It's just unfortunate that she had to take so much shame to her grave. | 0:50:15 | 0:50:18 | |
Yes. | 0:50:18 | 0:50:20 | |
-It is. -It isn't right. | 0:50:20 | 0:50:22 | |
So it's been a difficult road but these are all steps on that road | 0:50:28 | 0:50:31 | |
and today has been another step. | 0:50:31 | 0:50:33 | |
Yes, yes, a very positive one. | 0:50:33 | 0:50:37 | |
Yeah. | 0:50:38 | 0:50:39 | |
Yes, I hesitate to use the word spiritual | 0:50:39 | 0:50:44 | |
but... | 0:50:44 | 0:50:45 | |
..maybe it is, in a way, I don't know. | 0:50:47 | 0:50:49 | |
But it has a calming effect on me, it really does. | 0:50:49 | 0:50:52 | |
My search has come full circle, so... | 0:50:56 | 0:51:00 | |
Between 40 and 60,000 unmarried mothers | 0:51:08 | 0:51:12 | |
gave up children for adoption in Ireland. | 0:51:12 | 0:51:15 | |
Like Mary, many who have sought answers feel let down | 0:51:15 | 0:51:19 | |
by the Catholic Church and the Irish State. | 0:51:19 | 0:51:22 | |
Neither the Church's leader in Ireland, | 0:51:22 | 0:51:25 | |
nor the Prime Minister would be interviewed for this programme. | 0:51:25 | 0:51:28 | |
But earlier this year came a revelation | 0:51:32 | 0:51:35 | |
that may now force the authorities to finally confront these issues. | 0:51:35 | 0:51:39 | |
It's about St Mary's, another mother and baby home, | 0:51:41 | 0:51:45 | |
run by the Catholic Church in the small town of Tuam. | 0:51:45 | 0:51:49 | |
This is one of the only known photographs. | 0:51:49 | 0:51:53 | |
I'm meeting Catherine Corless, who has | 0:51:54 | 0:51:57 | |
uncovered the shocking history of the home. | 0:51:57 | 0:52:00 | |
In the old days, this would have been the back of the home. | 0:52:02 | 0:52:05 | |
-That's right, yes, just the back. -Yes. | 0:52:05 | 0:52:07 | |
It was a local couple who put the little cross up here on the gate. | 0:52:07 | 0:52:11 | |
-Yes. After you. -Thanks. | 0:52:11 | 0:52:14 | |
After the home was demolished in the 1970s, the local council built | 0:52:17 | 0:52:22 | |
houses on the site. | 0:52:22 | 0:52:23 | |
But one area was left derelict. | 0:52:27 | 0:52:30 | |
And the children from the estate used it as a playground. | 0:52:30 | 0:52:34 | |
The children who were playing in this rough...it was only rubble all here, | 0:52:34 | 0:52:38 | |
a wild area, and the children said that there was bones here. | 0:52:38 | 0:52:43 | |
And they were actually kicking around what | 0:52:43 | 0:52:46 | |
they thought was a football, but it was actually a skull of a child. | 0:52:46 | 0:52:49 | |
And the people here, they came over and investigated it and they saw | 0:52:49 | 0:52:54 | |
in this area here there was a tank and the top was moved over | 0:52:54 | 0:52:59 | |
and it was opened a little bit, and they looked down and they could | 0:52:59 | 0:53:03 | |
see there was literally, they couldn't... | 0:53:03 | 0:53:06 | |
innumerable little bodies and skulls and bones. | 0:53:06 | 0:53:09 | |
So they realised then that it was a graveyard. | 0:53:09 | 0:53:13 | |
And do we know how many babies or children are actually buried here? | 0:53:14 | 0:53:19 | |
-Well, including the whole area, there's nearly 800. -Nearly 800? | 0:53:19 | 0:53:22 | |
Nearly 800, which is an enormous amount altogether. | 0:53:22 | 0:53:25 | |
It's horrific, really. | 0:53:25 | 0:53:27 | |
Catherine discovered that the young children died between 1925 | 0:53:30 | 0:53:35 | |
and 1961 from malnutrition and common diseases whilst at the home. | 0:53:35 | 0:53:41 | |
And she believes that the nuns buried many of them | 0:53:41 | 0:53:44 | |
in the unmarked mass grave on the site. | 0:53:44 | 0:53:47 | |
The fact that nobody saw fit to commemorate them - | 0:53:47 | 0:53:51 | |
what does that say about the society that allowed that to happen? | 0:53:51 | 0:53:54 | |
They just weren't wanted. | 0:53:54 | 0:53:56 | |
There were just hundreds of unwanted children. | 0:53:56 | 0:53:58 | |
And, er, they were just, um, like a different species or something. | 0:53:58 | 0:54:03 | |
It was just horrific, when you think about it, just horrific. | 0:54:03 | 0:54:06 | |
The revelations about this home have forced both the Government | 0:54:09 | 0:54:13 | |
and the Church to finally face up to the scandal of how unmarried | 0:54:13 | 0:54:17 | |
mothers and their children were treated in Ireland. | 0:54:17 | 0:54:20 | |
the Irish government has now ordered a police report | 0:54:21 | 0:54:24 | |
on the deaths of the almost 800 children at this home. | 0:54:24 | 0:54:28 | |
And it's launching a wider investigation into what was | 0:54:30 | 0:54:33 | |
going on in all of Ireland's mother and baby homes, | 0:54:33 | 0:54:37 | |
as well as the whole adoption process. | 0:54:37 | 0:54:39 | |
In a statement given to me from the Catholic bishops, they say, | 0:54:41 | 0:54:44 | |
"We apologise for hurt caused by the Church as part of this system." | 0:54:44 | 0:54:50 | |
And that they "encourage all those who had any responsibility for setting up, | 0:54:50 | 0:54:55 | |
"running or overseeing the homes or adoption agencies to gather | 0:54:55 | 0:54:59 | |
"any documentation or information that might be of assistance." | 0:54:59 | 0:55:04 | |
When I began my story about Philomena, | 0:55:17 | 0:55:20 | |
I had little idea of the journey I was setting out on. | 0:55:20 | 0:55:23 | |
I've been humbled by the heroic endurance of the people | 0:55:25 | 0:55:29 | |
caught up in this tragedy. | 0:55:29 | 0:55:31 | |
Come on. | 0:55:32 | 0:55:34 | |
For Lily, who gave up her son Joseph 48 years ago, the pain goes on. | 0:55:35 | 0:55:40 | |
We'll go and see Joe's grave now. | 0:55:40 | 0:55:43 | |
It's Joe's grave. | 0:55:43 | 0:55:44 | |
Recently, her husband died. | 0:55:47 | 0:55:49 | |
You miss Joe, don't you? | 0:55:51 | 0:55:53 | |
You miss Joe, you do. You miss Joe. | 0:55:53 | 0:55:55 | |
I come down to see Joe every day - good job he's so near home. | 0:55:55 | 0:55:59 | |
I've been married for 42 years and it's very lonely. | 0:56:05 | 0:56:08 | |
I'm on my own here now - | 0:56:08 | 0:56:10 | |
and it makes me more real to trace my son Joseph. | 0:56:10 | 0:56:14 | |
It's really, really hard and each time you visit the graveyard | 0:56:17 | 0:56:20 | |
and think, "Well, Joe would love to be here to do the same." | 0:56:20 | 0:56:25 | |
15 years ago, Lily did manage to track down her son | 0:56:47 | 0:56:51 | |
and received a letter from him. | 0:56:51 | 0:56:53 | |
But that was the last she heard. | 0:56:53 | 0:56:55 | |
Now she's decided to try again, | 0:56:59 | 0:57:01 | |
so she's getting back in touch with the search agency in America. | 0:57:01 | 0:57:05 | |
Two, eight, | 0:57:05 | 0:57:08 | |
six, two, three, six, two. | 0:57:08 | 0:57:11 | |
So I would like to make more contact. | 0:57:15 | 0:57:17 | |
Have you still contact for him? | 0:57:17 | 0:57:19 | |
Good. Yes. | 0:57:23 | 0:57:25 | |
OK. Thanks a million. Lovely talking to you again. | 0:57:25 | 0:57:29 | |
OK. OK. Bye. | 0:57:29 | 0:57:31 | |
I've just phoned America, yes. | 0:57:41 | 0:57:44 | |
And...which is mighty. | 0:57:44 | 0:57:47 | |
I've just phoned America. Yeah. | 0:57:47 | 0:57:49 | |
Lily's last hope is that a lovingly crafted letter will prompt | 0:57:52 | 0:57:56 | |
a reunion. | 0:57:56 | 0:57:58 | |
"Dear Joe. | 0:58:00 | 0:58:01 | |
"Hope... | 0:58:01 | 0:58:04 | |
"this... | 0:58:04 | 0:58:06 | |
"finds | 0:58:06 | 0:58:08 | |
"you... | 0:58:08 | 0:58:10 | |
"..well. | 0:58:11 | 0:58:12 | |
"I have the courage to try again. | 0:58:13 | 0:58:16 | |
"I've been curious. | 0:58:16 | 0:58:17 | |
"As life goes on, it gets harder not having you in my life. | 0:58:17 | 0:58:22 | |
"So, Joseph, please reply to this letter. | 0:58:22 | 0:58:24 | |
"I will end for now. | 0:58:24 | 0:58:26 | |
"Yours sincerely, Irish Mammy, Lily." | 0:58:26 | 0:58:29 |