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# She walks like an angel walks... # | 0:00:02 | 0:00:06 | |
In '60s Britain, the popular ideal of a happy marriage | 0:00:07 | 0:00:11 | |
was still rooted in age-old beliefs about a woman's role in life. | 0:00:11 | 0:00:16 | |
It was a world in which women aspired to be beauty queens and brides of the year. | 0:00:16 | 0:00:20 | |
However, the next two decades would start to turn these traditional expectations upside down | 0:00:20 | 0:00:26 | |
as a new generation of young women began to question everything they had been brought up to believe in. | 0:00:26 | 0:00:32 | |
I knew I didn't want to end up like my mother. | 0:00:33 | 0:00:36 | |
I wasn't sure quite what I wanted to end up like because I didn't have a role model | 0:00:36 | 0:00:41 | |
and I didn't have anyone around that I could look at and think, "I want to be like her or her." | 0:00:41 | 0:00:47 | |
All I knew was that I didn't want to end up with my mother's boiling sense | 0:00:47 | 0:00:51 | |
of just not having had a fulfilled life. | 0:00:51 | 0:00:54 | |
Feminism challenged the belief that a wife's duty was to love and obey | 0:00:56 | 0:01:00 | |
and that her natural place was at home looking after her children while her husband provided for them. | 0:01:00 | 0:01:06 | |
To be a housewife, once a source of pride, | 0:01:06 | 0:01:10 | |
became a badge of oppression. | 0:01:10 | 0:01:12 | |
Women were taught to be in a certain position without freedom | 0:01:16 | 0:01:21 | |
and suddenly, we were going to explode that. | 0:01:21 | 0:01:24 | |
The genie was out the bottle. | 0:01:24 | 0:01:26 | |
We were not going to go back into marriage and the nuclear family | 0:01:26 | 0:01:31 | |
which did look to many of us like a prison. | 0:01:31 | 0:01:35 | |
Yet despite the furious debates that raged about feminism and the permissive society, | 0:01:35 | 0:01:40 | |
in the '60s and '70s, most young couples never lost their faith in marriage. | 0:01:40 | 0:01:46 | |
It was more popular than ever before. | 0:01:46 | 0:01:49 | |
And in the '60s, the romantic dream of married love | 0:01:49 | 0:01:52 | |
still involved a traditional courtship and a virgin bride. | 0:01:52 | 0:01:56 | |
Marriage is living together, sharing your life together, | 0:01:58 | 0:02:02 | |
and the sharing starts with marriage. | 0:02:02 | 0:02:04 | |
You don't take slabs of cake before the party has started, | 0:02:04 | 0:02:08 | |
so you don't take lumps of marriage before the marriage has started. | 0:02:08 | 0:02:12 | |
It's a serious commitment. It isn't something you just pop in and out of on a Sunday afternoon. | 0:02:12 | 0:02:17 | |
We really felt this was something important. | 0:02:17 | 0:02:20 | |
It's what we wanted to do and what we felt was going to make the best of our lives together. | 0:02:20 | 0:02:25 | |
# So, darling, darling | 0:02:25 | 0:02:28 | |
# Stand by me | 0:02:28 | 0:02:30 | |
# Oh, stand | 0:02:30 | 0:02:33 | |
# By me | 0:02:33 | 0:02:36 | |
# Oh, stand | 0:02:36 | 0:02:38 | |
# Stand by me | 0:02:38 | 0:02:40 | |
# Stand by me | 0:02:40 | 0:02:42 | |
# Whenever you're in trouble... # | 0:02:42 | 0:02:44 | |
In the early '60s, the young generation grew up in a world | 0:02:44 | 0:02:49 | |
defined by very different masculine and feminine roles. | 0:02:49 | 0:02:53 | |
In the mating game, there were clear rules of engagement. | 0:02:53 | 0:02:57 | |
A pretty girl was the trophy sought by every boy, | 0:02:57 | 0:03:00 | |
but for him to marry her, she had to resist his sexual advances. | 0:03:00 | 0:03:04 | |
London convent girl Maureen Flanagan was going out with the local gang leader. | 0:03:05 | 0:03:11 | |
He came from a family of seven brothers - the Flanagan brothers, | 0:03:11 | 0:03:16 | |
famous in Islington. | 0:03:16 | 0:03:18 | |
He wanted me because I was the prettiest girl out of our crowd. | 0:03:18 | 0:03:21 | |
Maybe I wanted him because he was in charge of his crowd. | 0:03:21 | 0:03:25 | |
# You can dance | 0:03:25 | 0:03:27 | |
# You can dance with the guy that gives you the eye | 0:03:27 | 0:03:31 | |
# And let him hold you tight... # | 0:03:31 | 0:03:34 | |
I was the fashion girl in Islington. | 0:03:34 | 0:03:37 | |
What I wore on one Friday night... | 0:03:37 | 0:03:40 | |
Up at Gray's or the Tottenham Royal | 0:03:40 | 0:03:43 | |
or the Lyceum in the West End. | 0:03:43 | 0:03:45 | |
What I wore on that Friday, the other girls wore the next Friday. | 0:03:45 | 0:03:49 | |
# So, darling | 0:03:49 | 0:03:51 | |
# Save the last dance for me... # | 0:03:51 | 0:03:54 | |
So that was OK because he was quite proud of that. | 0:03:54 | 0:03:58 | |
Nobody could come over and ask you to dance without asking him first. | 0:03:58 | 0:04:02 | |
In the courtship ritual, a girl's virginity was her most prized asset. | 0:04:04 | 0:04:08 | |
The only safe way to have sex was to marry young and many did. | 0:04:08 | 0:04:13 | |
There was absolutely no sex. | 0:04:14 | 0:04:16 | |
If I would have not been a virgin when he met me at 17, that would have been it. | 0:04:16 | 0:04:21 | |
I might have been a bird for the night, girlfriend for a week, | 0:04:21 | 0:04:25 | |
but never a proper girlfriend and never a wife. | 0:04:25 | 0:04:28 | |
Even to assure him... | 0:04:28 | 0:04:30 | |
I mean, I swore on my dad's, my mum's life that I had never had sex with the first boyfriend. | 0:04:30 | 0:04:35 | |
But to assure him, he even went and asked him, | 0:04:35 | 0:04:39 | |
and he assured him, "No, just kisses and cuddles. I never touched her. | 0:04:39 | 0:04:43 | |
"I never did anything. I never saw her bedroom. Never, ever." | 0:04:43 | 0:04:47 | |
That's how you had to be. You had to be a virgin. | 0:04:47 | 0:04:50 | |
The popularity of the '60s white wedding | 0:04:52 | 0:04:55 | |
was for most women both a fashion statement | 0:04:55 | 0:04:59 | |
and a hard-earned symbol of sexual purity. | 0:04:59 | 0:05:02 | |
My mother wanted me to wear a long, white wedding dress. | 0:05:02 | 0:05:06 | |
I'd seen a picture of Brigitte Bardot getting married in a magazine | 0:05:07 | 0:05:11 | |
in broderie anglaise, in a plain broderie anglaise, a little flared dress. | 0:05:11 | 0:05:16 | |
I had to have the same. I couldn't find one anywhere. | 0:05:16 | 0:05:20 | |
And so I went to Losners, the hire place, | 0:05:20 | 0:05:23 | |
and there was a little broderie anglaise, nipped into the waist, | 0:05:23 | 0:05:27 | |
flared out, so you could wear lots of petticoats, plain neckline, little veil. | 0:05:27 | 0:05:32 | |
The wedding had to be, of course, in a Catholic church, on the 14th of January, 1961, | 0:05:32 | 0:05:37 | |
a week before I was 20. | 0:05:37 | 0:05:40 | |
# Love and marriage, love and marriage... # | 0:05:40 | 0:05:43 | |
At the other end of the social scale, | 0:05:43 | 0:05:47 | |
well-bred daughters of Britain's aristocracy met their marriage partners in the London season. | 0:05:47 | 0:05:53 | |
It used to begin with an exclusive rite of passage - the presentation of debutantes to the Queen. | 0:05:53 | 0:06:00 | |
This marked the entry of a procession of virgins into the upper-class marriage market. | 0:06:00 | 0:06:06 | |
Fiona MacCarthy was one of the last debutantes to take part in a royal ritual that was phased out in 1958. | 0:06:06 | 0:06:12 | |
We all knew that this was ending, that we were the last of the debs, | 0:06:13 | 0:06:17 | |
so this gave it a kind of extra frisson of excitement, | 0:06:17 | 0:06:21 | |
but all the same, | 0:06:21 | 0:06:23 | |
I remember just having one of those little moments of thinking, | 0:06:23 | 0:06:28 | |
"This is a strange thing. What am I doing here?" | 0:06:28 | 0:06:32 | |
A debutante's virginity was vital to her reputation | 0:06:36 | 0:06:40 | |
and to her marriage prospects. | 0:06:40 | 0:06:42 | |
We were in this world where really sex wasn't talked about. | 0:06:42 | 0:06:47 | |
You never really spoke about it. It was a completely mysterious world. | 0:06:47 | 0:06:52 | |
And I think a very, very high proportion of those girls | 0:06:52 | 0:06:56 | |
who curtsied to the Queen in 1958 would have been virgins. | 0:06:56 | 0:07:00 | |
A very high proportion. | 0:07:00 | 0:07:02 | |
During the course of the season, | 0:07:03 | 0:07:05 | |
most of the young debutantes found an eligible young man to marry, | 0:07:05 | 0:07:10 | |
but Fiona was the exception to the rule. | 0:07:10 | 0:07:13 | |
I was one of the very few girls who had actually got a place at university at this point. | 0:07:13 | 0:07:21 | |
I had got a place at Oxford | 0:07:21 | 0:07:24 | |
and I didn't want to get into the marriage market too early. | 0:07:24 | 0:07:29 | |
I was very excited about going to university. | 0:07:29 | 0:07:33 | |
Fiona met her future husband Ian while studying at Oxford. | 0:07:34 | 0:07:38 | |
I got married almost immediately after Oxford | 0:07:41 | 0:07:45 | |
and I married someone in my predictable social circle | 0:07:45 | 0:07:50 | |
who was at Oxford with me. | 0:07:50 | 0:07:53 | |
He was from a very similar background to my own. | 0:07:53 | 0:07:57 | |
He was different because he was very, very intelligent, | 0:07:58 | 0:08:02 | |
much cleverer than most of the men that I had met during the season. | 0:08:02 | 0:08:06 | |
And we married when I was only 21. | 0:08:07 | 0:08:10 | |
In the '60s, there was a new honesty about the problems faced by young, middle-class courting couples | 0:08:13 | 0:08:19 | |
who were saving up to get married and start a family. | 0:08:19 | 0:08:22 | |
In 1966, the documentary series Man Alive told the story of Alan and Judith Ketley. | 0:08:22 | 0:08:30 | |
It's difficult to imagine when you're that age that you're going to buy houses, | 0:08:30 | 0:08:35 | |
have children, have a career, | 0:08:35 | 0:08:37 | |
but somewhere in your mind, | 0:08:37 | 0:08:40 | |
you've got that sort of thinking going on and when you meet somebody like Judith, | 0:08:40 | 0:08:45 | |
you know that's the sort of person you could develop the foundations to do that. | 0:08:45 | 0:08:49 | |
I was only happy when I was with him. | 0:08:49 | 0:08:52 | |
I realised that what I really wanted to do was to be with him | 0:08:52 | 0:08:56 | |
and very, very quickly I realised that. | 0:08:56 | 0:08:59 | |
We sat on the settee quite often some nights and I put my arm round Judith. | 0:08:59 | 0:09:04 | |
I'd think nobody's looking, lean over and give her a kiss. | 0:09:04 | 0:09:07 | |
He doesn't like that at all. | 0:09:07 | 0:09:09 | |
Living at home, courtship could be sexually frustrating. | 0:09:10 | 0:09:15 | |
Alan and Judith found an ingenious way to be alone together, but didn't go all the way. | 0:09:15 | 0:09:20 | |
Judith had her own transport | 0:09:20 | 0:09:23 | |
which was our passion wagon, | 0:09:23 | 0:09:26 | |
a little Mini van that she'd managed to buy, which was pretty impressive. | 0:09:26 | 0:09:32 | |
It meant she was good financially if she could afford to buy a vehicle. | 0:09:32 | 0:09:36 | |
I was a teacher at the time and the staff at school, when I arrived with this car, they laughed | 0:09:36 | 0:09:42 | |
and said, "Judith's got a passion wagon." So this name caught on. | 0:09:42 | 0:09:46 | |
When Alan won a scholarship to study at Kew for a year, | 0:09:47 | 0:09:51 | |
being apart was so frustrating for them, they decided to bring forward their engagement. | 0:09:51 | 0:09:57 | |
I remember saving up because when you're only on £5 or £6 a week, you have to do an awful lot of saving. | 0:09:59 | 0:10:05 | |
It was a big event because we went down Manchester and bought the ring that Judith wanted. | 0:10:05 | 0:10:10 | |
My ring has got a ruby in the middle and a diamond at each side | 0:10:10 | 0:10:14 | |
and Alan always described it as "no smoking in the middle | 0:10:14 | 0:10:18 | |
"and six months' overtime at each side" because he had to save up for it, | 0:10:18 | 0:10:23 | |
but it's very, very special and very precious. | 0:10:23 | 0:10:27 | |
Alan and Judith planned a one-year engagement strictly without sex. | 0:10:27 | 0:10:32 | |
If you think it's worth fighting for, | 0:10:34 | 0:10:36 | |
the struggle for virginity is maybe the hardest of a long engagement. | 0:10:36 | 0:10:40 | |
It may be a self-inflicted hardship, but that doesn't make it any more bearable. | 0:10:40 | 0:10:45 | |
It gets a bit hard to bear at times. | 0:10:45 | 0:10:48 | |
Obviously. | 0:10:48 | 0:10:50 | |
A certain amount of restraint. | 0:10:50 | 0:10:52 | |
If you're going to believe in white weddings, | 0:10:52 | 0:10:55 | |
then it's a bit hard waiting, isn't it, sometimes? | 0:10:55 | 0:10:58 | |
If you got married in a white dress, | 0:10:59 | 0:11:02 | |
then the white dress stood for the fact that you were still a virgin. | 0:11:02 | 0:11:07 | |
And that's what I wanted. That's really, really what I wanted. | 0:11:07 | 0:11:13 | |
Our point of view was that if you were going to enter into marriage, | 0:11:13 | 0:11:17 | |
sleeping together first didn't really fit in with the idea of a lifelong commitment and marriage. | 0:11:17 | 0:11:24 | |
Alan and Judith have been happily married for 45 years | 0:11:24 | 0:11:29 | |
and have two children and four grandchildren. | 0:11:29 | 0:11:32 | |
The taboo on sex outside of marriage | 0:11:35 | 0:11:37 | |
was reinforced by the beliefs of the churches, | 0:11:37 | 0:11:41 | |
all of which remained very influential in the '60s | 0:11:41 | 0:11:44 | |
and continued to teach that sexual pleasure could only be safely enjoyed in marriage. | 0:11:44 | 0:11:50 | |
The heroic struggle to control sinful sexual instincts through a life of devotion to God | 0:11:50 | 0:11:55 | |
was one which attracted some idealistic teenagers into the priesthood, like Richard Holloway. | 0:11:55 | 0:12:01 | |
I was trained by a monastic community | 0:12:02 | 0:12:05 | |
and I conceived this grand idea | 0:12:05 | 0:12:08 | |
that I would give myself away to God | 0:12:08 | 0:12:10 | |
in a life of poverty, celibacy and obedience. | 0:12:10 | 0:12:13 | |
I always felt that a real man of God or a priest would not have sex. | 0:12:14 | 0:12:20 | |
And I had a highly libidinous nature, so I found this a particular struggle. | 0:12:21 | 0:12:26 | |
I don't recommend hitting puberty in a monastery. It's not the best place to negotiate that. | 0:12:26 | 0:12:32 | |
Richard gave up his vows of celibacy | 0:12:32 | 0:12:34 | |
to become a curate in the Glasgow Gorbals | 0:12:34 | 0:12:38 | |
where he dedicated his young life to bringing Christian compassion | 0:12:38 | 0:12:42 | |
into one of the most impoverished, yet exuberant communities in Britain. | 0:12:42 | 0:12:47 | |
Then after a holiday to Manhattan, he met Jean | 0:12:47 | 0:12:51 | |
and in 1962, invited her back to the Gorbals to join him in his work. | 0:12:51 | 0:12:56 | |
Whilst working together, they fell in love, | 0:12:56 | 0:12:59 | |
but Richard was confused and consumed by guilt. | 0:12:59 | 0:13:03 | |
I suppose I had interiorised very strongly this church notion I had inherited | 0:13:05 | 0:13:12 | |
that the first-class life was the single, celibate life. | 0:13:12 | 0:13:16 | |
That's what the real, heroic Christian did. | 0:13:16 | 0:13:19 | |
And I had fallen in love with Jean | 0:13:20 | 0:13:23 | |
and I wanted her to be part of my life, | 0:13:23 | 0:13:28 | |
and yet I was ashamed... | 0:13:28 | 0:13:30 | |
When we were out together and I had a clerical collar on, I wouldn't hold her hand. | 0:13:30 | 0:13:36 | |
It took me a wee while to admit even that we were engaged | 0:13:36 | 0:13:40 | |
because...because of that strange kind of tug back to that particular ethos. | 0:13:40 | 0:13:48 | |
How she stood it, I don't know. | 0:13:48 | 0:13:51 | |
Despite this, Richard and Jean decided to get married | 0:13:51 | 0:13:56 | |
and she returned from New York for the wedding, | 0:13:56 | 0:13:59 | |
but it was such a big decision, they worried they were doing the right thing. | 0:13:59 | 0:14:05 | |
I met her at Prestwick Airport and I could see that she was distressed, very distressed. | 0:14:05 | 0:14:11 | |
And we got up into the flat in 10 Abbotsford Place | 0:14:11 | 0:14:16 | |
and she burst into tears and said she didn't think she could go ahead with it - | 0:14:16 | 0:14:21 | |
this cultural shift from Manhattan to Gorbals | 0:14:21 | 0:14:25 | |
to marry a man she didn't know very well. | 0:14:25 | 0:14:29 | |
And a bit of me was... | 0:14:31 | 0:14:33 | |
She says... I can't believe it, but she says, um... | 0:14:33 | 0:14:36 | |
I said, "Well, I'm not bothered," or something horrible like that. | 0:14:37 | 0:14:42 | |
And, uh...I said, "OK, so the pressure's off." | 0:14:46 | 0:14:49 | |
We weren't... We were going to delay it, cancel it | 0:14:49 | 0:14:53 | |
and I said, "But can you help me find furniture because I'm going to have to move in here, | 0:14:53 | 0:14:59 | |
"because I'm going to become priest in charge of St Margaret's and St Mungo's?" | 0:14:59 | 0:15:05 | |
And so we kicked around the second-hand salerooms... | 0:15:05 | 0:15:09 | |
..in Glasgow and picked up bits and pieces, | 0:15:10 | 0:15:14 | |
and gradually doing it, she kind of relaxed | 0:15:14 | 0:15:18 | |
and we kind of fell in love again. | 0:15:18 | 0:15:21 | |
She decided, "Yeah, let's do it," | 0:15:21 | 0:15:24 | |
so we did, we got married on a cold April day. | 0:15:24 | 0:15:28 | |
We were married by my bishop, whom I loved, Francis Moncrieff. | 0:15:30 | 0:15:34 | |
We wanted him in the wedding photograph and he said, um... | 0:15:35 | 0:15:40 | |
"If I come into the photograph, I have to be in the centre." | 0:15:40 | 0:15:44 | |
So there's our wedding photograph of me and Jeanie | 0:15:46 | 0:15:51 | |
with the bishop in a mitre in the middle of us, | 0:15:51 | 0:15:54 | |
looking very austere. | 0:15:54 | 0:15:56 | |
The '50s and '60s saw a wave of immigration from the Caribbean to Britain, | 0:16:00 | 0:16:05 | |
adding a mixed race dimension to the dating game. | 0:16:05 | 0:16:09 | |
Many of these newcomers also had strict codes of conduct on courtship and marriage, | 0:16:09 | 0:16:14 | |
shaped by their religious beliefs. | 0:16:14 | 0:16:18 | |
In the '50s, convent girl Ros Howells came from Grenada to London | 0:16:18 | 0:16:22 | |
to study and it was here she met John. | 0:16:22 | 0:16:25 | |
I was ice-cool, you know? | 0:16:26 | 0:16:29 | |
Now, I don't know whether John found that a challenge | 0:16:30 | 0:16:34 | |
because he was not... | 0:16:34 | 0:16:37 | |
I just knew we were going out, but we weren't going out, if you know what I mean. | 0:16:37 | 0:16:43 | |
You know, he would be there | 0:16:43 | 0:16:45 | |
and he would walk me home or he'd say, "Let's go for a coffee or something." | 0:16:45 | 0:16:51 | |
And my idea was I was going to be here for a while and go back to Grenada. You know? | 0:16:51 | 0:16:57 | |
It wasn't something that I was looking for a husband. | 0:16:57 | 0:17:01 | |
# Oh, won't you come home, Bill Bailey? | 0:17:03 | 0:17:06 | |
# Come on home She moans... # | 0:17:06 | 0:17:09 | |
Despite her misgivings, Ros fell in love. | 0:17:09 | 0:17:13 | |
There was never any doubt, though, she would remain a virgin. | 0:17:13 | 0:17:18 | |
# I know I done you wrong | 0:17:18 | 0:17:21 | |
# Yes, indeedy... # | 0:17:21 | 0:17:24 | |
By the time we had kissed, I was in love. | 0:17:24 | 0:17:26 | |
I wasn't in lust because I was brought up in the way that I know he wasn't going further than a kiss | 0:17:26 | 0:17:33 | |
and he probably knew that too. | 0:17:33 | 0:17:35 | |
But in Britain at this time, | 0:17:36 | 0:17:39 | |
those who loved across the racial divide were breaking a very powerful taboo. | 0:17:39 | 0:17:44 | |
If detected, they were likely to face prejudice and hostility. | 0:17:44 | 0:17:49 | |
And if they planned to get married, they could expect disapproval from both sets of parents, | 0:17:49 | 0:17:54 | |
so when John proposed, Ros saw disaster ahead. | 0:17:54 | 0:17:59 | |
I think the first time we had a serious conversation | 0:18:02 | 0:18:06 | |
was when he said to me, "We're off on Wednesday. Let's go and buy an engagement ring." | 0:18:06 | 0:18:11 | |
I said, "Are you mad? Are you out of your mind? What will your mother do?" | 0:18:11 | 0:18:16 | |
"It's nothing to do with anybody but me." | 0:18:16 | 0:18:20 | |
So he went, we went, we bought the ring. | 0:18:21 | 0:18:24 | |
One person can't fight this alone. | 0:18:24 | 0:18:26 | |
Prejudice won't always exist. It can't. | 0:18:26 | 0:18:29 | |
I shan't live to see the end of it and neither will you. | 0:18:29 | 0:18:33 | |
-You can't fight it alone. -I can try! | 0:18:33 | 0:18:36 | |
This kind of deep-seated colour prejudice was an issue explored in feature films of the time, | 0:18:36 | 0:18:41 | |
yet despite receiving a letter from her father advising her that mixed marriages rarely lasted, | 0:18:41 | 0:18:48 | |
Ros married her fiance John after a one-year engagement. | 0:18:48 | 0:18:52 | |
He was much more interested in getting married. | 0:18:53 | 0:18:57 | |
I think I enjoyed being in love and having an escort and going places wherever we went, | 0:18:57 | 0:19:04 | |
but I knew that I didn't want to be with anybody else. | 0:19:04 | 0:19:08 | |
For me, that was the thing. | 0:19:08 | 0:19:11 | |
Would I like to have breakfast with this man for the rest of my life? | 0:19:11 | 0:19:15 | |
I knew that was OK, that was what I wanted to do. | 0:19:15 | 0:19:18 | |
You're worried about what the neighbours will say. Prejudice? You're riddled with it! | 0:19:18 | 0:19:23 | |
It's all over your face. All you can see is black, black! | 0:19:23 | 0:19:27 | |
I'm ashamed of you. | 0:19:27 | 0:19:29 | |
When I think of you and that man sharing the same bed... | 0:19:29 | 0:19:34 | |
Oh, Mum! | 0:19:34 | 0:19:36 | |
It's filthy, disgusting. It makes my stomach turn over and... | 0:19:36 | 0:19:40 | |
An incident happened to me in my early years of being married | 0:19:40 | 0:19:45 | |
where I came out of the cinema with my husband. | 0:19:45 | 0:19:49 | |
We'd had a really good evening. It was lovely. We only had a short walk home. | 0:19:49 | 0:19:54 | |
And suddenly, there was somebody in my space. | 0:19:54 | 0:19:58 | |
And I realised, I thought at first, you know, we would cross, | 0:20:00 | 0:20:05 | |
then she came right up to me and said, "You black bitch!" | 0:20:05 | 0:20:09 | |
And she spat in my face. | 0:20:09 | 0:20:11 | |
It was all over my coat. It was there. | 0:20:11 | 0:20:14 | |
And my husband suddenly woke up to the fact that I was by then shouting at her | 0:20:14 | 0:20:20 | |
and said, "What's happened?" I told him and I said... | 0:20:20 | 0:20:24 | |
"You know, this woman..." | 0:20:24 | 0:20:26 | |
And he said, "Leave her alone. She's ignorant. Let her go." | 0:20:26 | 0:20:30 | |
And I was so angry... | 0:20:30 | 0:20:33 | |
..with her, and by then, I would be getting angry with him. | 0:20:34 | 0:20:39 | |
Then in the late '60s came a challenge to every traditional idea of love and marriage - | 0:20:41 | 0:20:46 | |
the sexual revolution. | 0:20:46 | 0:20:49 | |
Its main target was the taboo on sex before marriage, its great ally, the Pill. | 0:20:49 | 0:20:55 | |
Swinging London was the trailblazer of the new permissive culture. | 0:20:55 | 0:21:00 | |
It attracted young women eager to break with convention and lose their virginity, like Rosie Boycott. | 0:21:00 | 0:21:07 | |
I desperately wanted to be cool. | 0:21:07 | 0:21:09 | |
I wanted to be a hip, swinging chick. | 0:21:09 | 0:21:12 | |
"Chick" was a word that was used a lot. | 0:21:12 | 0:21:15 | |
At that point, it was perfectly OK to be a chick. | 0:21:15 | 0:21:19 | |
I wanted to be... All those expressions, where it was at, where it was happening. | 0:21:20 | 0:21:26 | |
I wanted to be cool, so of course, I pretended that I had done this lots of times before. | 0:21:26 | 0:21:32 | |
# Let's spend the night together... # | 0:21:32 | 0:21:35 | |
This sexual permissiveness, however, came at a price, and it suited the men far more than the women. | 0:21:35 | 0:21:41 | |
It often led to deception, regret and heartbreak. | 0:21:41 | 0:21:45 | |
The glamorous world of rock stars, photographers and models was not all it seemed. | 0:21:45 | 0:21:51 | |
Take your hat over a bit. | 0:21:51 | 0:21:53 | |
On the surface of it, people would say, "This is great for everybody." | 0:21:53 | 0:21:58 | |
Bit further. | 0:21:58 | 0:22:00 | |
But actually, what was happening was that women were expected to favour free love all the time | 0:22:00 | 0:22:07 | |
and if they didn't want it, then they were regarded as straight and square | 0:22:07 | 0:22:11 | |
and those were the kind of words you used. | 0:22:11 | 0:22:14 | |
So you would be seen as uncool which was truly a bad thing to do, | 0:22:14 | 0:22:18 | |
so women had no manoeuvrability. | 0:22:18 | 0:22:21 | |
No, no. That's good like that. | 0:22:21 | 0:22:23 | |
Good. Then let your eyes come round to me. | 0:22:23 | 0:22:26 | |
Keep that hand where it was. | 0:22:26 | 0:22:28 | |
In many ways, I think women were in an even further bind. | 0:22:28 | 0:22:32 | |
I'm not saying this was like saying you need to preserve your virginity | 0:22:32 | 0:22:36 | |
in order to make yourself worth something to the person you marry, | 0:22:36 | 0:22:40 | |
but it was an exploitation and everyone was trying something out. | 0:22:40 | 0:22:45 | |
And in a way, for blokes, yes, it was like arriving in a sweet shop and the sweets were free. | 0:22:45 | 0:22:52 | |
Some of the young women in swinging London started to re-imagine a new role for themselves | 0:22:55 | 0:23:00 | |
and a new relationship with men. | 0:23:00 | 0:23:02 | |
It involved a fundamental rethink of what marriage and the family was all about. | 0:23:02 | 0:23:07 | |
Marriage and the nuclear family will carry on until a woman can survive alone, be paid as much as a man, | 0:23:10 | 0:23:16 | |
be able to have her children looked after during the day and have a job. | 0:23:16 | 0:23:20 | |
We'd all come from backgrounds where there was the same kind of story, | 0:23:20 | 0:23:25 | |
you know, which was the dad doing everything and the mum at home, | 0:23:25 | 0:23:29 | |
regardless of whether the mum was cleverer than the dad or more capable or whatever, | 0:23:29 | 0:23:35 | |
but a feeling that our mums had, on the whole, had narrow and frustrating lives. | 0:23:35 | 0:23:41 | |
And we didn't want those lives. | 0:23:41 | 0:23:44 | |
# If you want a do-right-all-day... # | 0:23:45 | 0:23:49 | |
Rosie and her fellow feminists set out to help create a more equal world | 0:23:49 | 0:23:55 | |
that would liberate women from lives of domestic drudgery, believing this could benefit men too. | 0:23:55 | 0:24:01 | |
To this end, she co-founded the feminist magazine Spare Rib | 0:24:01 | 0:24:05 | |
with Marsha Rowe in 1971. | 0:24:05 | 0:24:08 | |
We wrote the first editorial for the first issue of Spare Rib | 0:24:09 | 0:24:13 | |
and we said, "This is for men and for women." | 0:24:13 | 0:24:17 | |
We had this naive but... It's incredibly important to have those optimistic views. | 0:24:17 | 0:24:23 | |
Or I had it. I don't want to speak for Marsha. I thought, "This is going to be great. | 0:24:23 | 0:24:28 | |
"I don't know what it's going to be, but everyone's going to embrace this and love having this equality." | 0:24:28 | 0:24:34 | |
# Now, John Henry, he was a little boy | 0:24:34 | 0:24:37 | |
# He was sitting on his papa's knee... # | 0:24:37 | 0:24:41 | |
The late '60s and early '70s also saw the emergence of a counter-culture | 0:24:41 | 0:24:46 | |
that grew out of the radical student movement in the universities. | 0:24:46 | 0:24:51 | |
It embraced left-wing politics and workers' rights | 0:24:51 | 0:24:55 | |
and called for the creation of a more equal society, | 0:24:55 | 0:24:58 | |
yet ironically, the men were often unaware of their own very unequal attitude to women, | 0:24:58 | 0:25:05 | |
as Anne Geraghty discovered. | 0:25:05 | 0:25:07 | |
We went into one pub, it was in Sheffield, and we were told you can't serve women in here. | 0:25:07 | 0:25:13 | |
"Women can have a drink, but only in the bar next door." | 0:25:13 | 0:25:17 | |
And actually, they couldn't buy the drinks. | 0:25:17 | 0:25:20 | |
Only our men could buy the drinks in the bar. | 0:25:20 | 0:25:23 | |
It was like suddenly... | 0:25:23 | 0:25:25 | |
We'd just been discussing workers, the revolution and the rights of the workers | 0:25:25 | 0:25:30 | |
and suddenly, here we were about to walk quietly and sip Babychams in the lounge. | 0:25:30 | 0:25:37 | |
Suddenly, we looked at each other and we thought, "Hey, hang on a minute, this is a bit weird." | 0:25:37 | 0:25:43 | |
Suddenly, it was like, "Hey... We're not having this." | 0:25:48 | 0:25:52 | |
And we started having meetings, just the women. | 0:25:52 | 0:25:56 | |
# What you want | 0:25:56 | 0:25:59 | |
# Baby, I got... # | 0:25:59 | 0:26:01 | |
Out of experiences like these emerged a women's movement | 0:26:02 | 0:26:06 | |
that soon grew in strength and campaigned for women's rights. | 0:26:06 | 0:26:10 | |
At the heart of demands for change was a questioning of the power relationship between men and women | 0:26:10 | 0:26:16 | |
and the rejection of marriage and traditional family life. | 0:26:16 | 0:26:19 | |
We were discovering new freedoms in many different ways. | 0:26:20 | 0:26:25 | |
It was like, "Sexual freedom, why not have that?" | 0:26:25 | 0:26:29 | |
I mean, this was questioning one of the basic assumptions | 0:26:29 | 0:26:33 | |
in a way that society is organised upon | 0:26:33 | 0:26:36 | |
which is patriarchy, the rule of the father, | 0:26:36 | 0:26:39 | |
has to know that that woman is not going to go... | 0:26:39 | 0:26:43 | |
you know, go off and make love with somebody else because he doesn't know who his children are otherwise, | 0:26:43 | 0:26:49 | |
so by definition, patriarchy requires women to be sexually controlled. | 0:26:49 | 0:26:55 | |
And suddenly, we were going to explode that. | 0:26:56 | 0:27:00 | |
We were not going to go back... The genie was out the bottle. | 0:27:00 | 0:27:03 | |
We were not going to go back into marriage and the nuclear family | 0:27:03 | 0:27:08 | |
which did look to many of us like a prison. | 0:27:08 | 0:27:11 | |
The new consumer society of the affluent '60s | 0:27:13 | 0:27:16 | |
seemed to have created a glossy material world of egotism and excess | 0:27:16 | 0:27:21 | |
that was condemned by feminists and political radicals alike. | 0:27:21 | 0:27:26 | |
Some of these young men and women looked for an alternative way of life | 0:27:26 | 0:27:31 | |
like Martin Gerrish who, as the eldest son, | 0:27:31 | 0:27:34 | |
was expecting to have to enter his family's manufacturing business. | 0:27:34 | 0:27:38 | |
The expectation on me was quite subtle. | 0:27:38 | 0:27:40 | |
I was the eldest son, I had the same name as my father, | 0:27:40 | 0:27:44 | |
my grandfather and my great-grandfather. | 0:27:44 | 0:27:47 | |
The eldest son always had the name William, so my name is William Martin | 0:27:47 | 0:27:51 | |
and my father's name is William Jack and my grandfather's name is William Ewart Ebenezer, | 0:27:51 | 0:27:57 | |
so we all have this first name | 0:27:57 | 0:27:59 | |
which is kind of like the Gerrish kind of stamp for the eldest son. | 0:27:59 | 0:28:05 | |
To escape this inheritance, Martin got as far away | 0:28:06 | 0:28:09 | |
from marriage and traditional family life as he could. | 0:28:09 | 0:28:13 | |
Like many others of his generation, he dropped out | 0:28:13 | 0:28:16 | |
and set off on the hippie trail to India on a journey of self-discovery. | 0:28:16 | 0:28:21 | |
He planned to join the Orange People in an ashram set up by Bhagwan in Poona. | 0:28:21 | 0:28:28 | |
The aim of this experimental community was to bring peace and love to the world | 0:28:28 | 0:28:33 | |
by finding an alternative to marriage. | 0:28:33 | 0:28:36 | |
The nuclear family would be a thing of the past. | 0:28:36 | 0:28:40 | |
Martin couldn't wait to get there. | 0:28:40 | 0:28:42 | |
We got two buses together, two 25-seater buses, | 0:28:42 | 0:28:46 | |
and 50 of us got in a bus, two buses, | 0:28:46 | 0:28:51 | |
and drove overland to India. | 0:28:51 | 0:28:53 | |
We got to Poona eventually after six months | 0:28:54 | 0:28:57 | |
and Bhagwan who was there was really creating an amazing experiment. | 0:28:57 | 0:29:01 | |
He was really saying, you know, "Be yourself." | 0:29:01 | 0:29:05 | |
"Thou art that" was the word that was across the top of the ashram. "Be whatever you are." | 0:29:05 | 0:29:12 | |
Live it. Live what you are. And find out from living it | 0:29:12 | 0:29:16 | |
rather than from some theoretical knowledge. Live it. | 0:29:16 | 0:29:20 | |
Live your sexuality. Live your emotions. Live your feelings. | 0:29:20 | 0:29:25 | |
Live your truth. And see where that takes you. | 0:29:25 | 0:29:30 | |
And I jumped in. I loved it. I loved the ashram. | 0:29:30 | 0:29:34 | |
I loved what it was about, that we were there collectively really trying to change the world. | 0:29:34 | 0:29:42 | |
SINGING "Jerusalem" | 0:29:42 | 0:29:45 | |
The legend of the Swinging Sixties is one of a mass sexual rebellion inspired by the pill | 0:29:47 | 0:29:52 | |
and the permissive society, but the true picture is very different. | 0:29:52 | 0:29:56 | |
Britain remained, for the most part, a conservative nation in which lifelong marriage was still | 0:29:56 | 0:30:02 | |
one of the foundation stones. | 0:30:02 | 0:30:04 | |
In 1969, there were still only four divorces for every 1,000 married couples. | 0:30:04 | 0:30:10 | |
Nevertheless, there was a restlessness and a spirit of change, especially among women. | 0:30:10 | 0:30:16 | |
I was getting a little restless with the role of the executive wife | 0:30:18 | 0:30:25 | |
and I was incredibly bored with the whole social ritual that I was still involved with | 0:30:25 | 0:30:31 | |
because my husband was very much part of an Essex county set. | 0:30:31 | 0:30:36 | |
Then, one evening, as everyone started to let themselves go, came the defining moment of Fiona's life. | 0:30:38 | 0:30:45 | |
I do remember my moment of revelation, of thinking I just cannot go through with this life. | 0:30:45 | 0:30:53 | |
It actually happened at a dreadful, dreadful hunt ball. | 0:30:53 | 0:30:57 | |
Fiona had begun a career as a journalist for the Guardian | 0:30:59 | 0:31:03 | |
and the huge gulf between life as a county set wife and an independent journalist was a bridge too far. | 0:31:03 | 0:31:09 | |
The whole ambience of the Guardian unsettled me, really. | 0:31:09 | 0:31:15 | |
The sort of work that I was doing, the sort of people I was meeting. | 0:31:15 | 0:31:19 | |
Within two years, Fiona had her own Guardian column, | 0:31:21 | 0:31:24 | |
writing about all the big changes in Sixties Britain in politics, the arts, fashion and design. | 0:31:24 | 0:31:31 | |
I went to interview a young designer called David Mellor. | 0:31:31 | 0:31:36 | |
He was one of the Swinging Sixties' coming figures. | 0:31:36 | 0:31:41 | |
He was based in Sheffield. He was a silversmith, a metal worker. | 0:31:41 | 0:31:47 | |
David Mellor was one of a group of young, working-class designers who broke with convention. | 0:31:50 | 0:31:55 | |
In his workshop in Sheffield, his iconic cutlery designs were emblematic of Sixties innovation. | 0:31:55 | 0:32:02 | |
For Fiona, it was love at first sight. | 0:32:02 | 0:32:05 | |
I shocked a lot of my family, a lot of my friends | 0:32:05 | 0:32:10 | |
because I think that the whole class thing was very mystifying to them. | 0:32:10 | 0:32:15 | |
Why would I give up such a suitable marriage? | 0:32:15 | 0:32:19 | |
Everyone thought this was a perfect marriage for me. | 0:32:19 | 0:32:22 | |
But dissolving a seemingly-perfect marriage in the mid-Sixties wasn't easy. | 0:32:22 | 0:32:27 | |
The law demanded irrefutable proof of adultery. Someone had to be guilty. | 0:32:27 | 0:32:32 | |
Everything hinged on evidence of a matrimonial offence | 0:32:32 | 0:32:37 | |
and, to get it, private detectives stalked the land. | 0:32:37 | 0:32:41 | |
I remember we were visited by an inspector | 0:32:41 | 0:32:45 | |
who wanted to make absolutely, em, sure that we were living together, | 0:32:45 | 0:32:51 | |
which meant that he poked around in the bedroom and found that my clothes were in the wardrobe. | 0:32:51 | 0:32:57 | |
It wasn't such an alarming thing as you might think. | 0:32:59 | 0:33:03 | |
He was quite a sweet, bumbling, old man and because I was a journalist, | 0:33:03 | 0:33:09 | |
I actually was really interested in his story. | 0:33:09 | 0:33:12 | |
We sat down and had a cup of tea afterwards and he told me about his road in life | 0:33:12 | 0:33:18 | |
and his extraordinary career of snooping about in people's bedrooms. | 0:33:18 | 0:33:21 | |
Fiona married David in 1966. | 0:33:23 | 0:33:26 | |
She felt liberated by the creative freedom she could enjoy in her new marriage | 0:33:26 | 0:33:31 | |
and developed her career as a successful writer, alongside bringing up their two children. | 0:33:31 | 0:33:38 | |
It was a very exciting time | 0:33:38 | 0:33:40 | |
and I felt really glad that the children could have a sort of different upbringing | 0:33:40 | 0:33:46 | |
because my upbringing had been so closed. | 0:33:46 | 0:33:50 | |
Sending our children to comprehensive schools, | 0:33:51 | 0:33:55 | |
they were mixing with children from all backgrounds and nationalities | 0:33:55 | 0:33:59 | |
and I thought that this was a much, much better kind of basis | 0:33:59 | 0:34:05 | |
for living a proper, fulfilled life. | 0:34:05 | 0:34:10 | |
# How sweet it is... # | 0:34:11 | 0:34:14 | |
In the Sixties, Maureen Flanagan's career as a fashion model took off, | 0:34:14 | 0:34:19 | |
but she was married to a traditional and very possessive working-class husband. | 0:34:19 | 0:34:23 | |
The pride he'd once felt at marrying the prettiest girl in the neighbourhood and a virgin bride | 0:34:23 | 0:34:29 | |
was turning to resentment. | 0:34:29 | 0:34:32 | |
I started appearing in newspapers. Swimming costumes, bikinis, | 0:34:32 | 0:34:36 | |
lots of leg work because I always got the leg work on any job. I just had those legs. | 0:34:36 | 0:34:41 | |
Whereas a lot of girls I was going on auditions with just went home to their boyfriends or their mum, | 0:34:41 | 0:34:48 | |
I was going home to a man who was coming in at six o'clock | 0:34:48 | 0:34:52 | |
from having worked very hard on an asphalt gang. It is very hard. | 0:34:52 | 0:34:57 | |
He wanted a bath, but he was Irish and he wanted a dinner. | 0:34:57 | 0:35:01 | |
-# -How sweet it is to be loved by you... -# | 0:35:01 | 0:35:05 | |
And that's when the rows really started. | 0:35:05 | 0:35:09 | |
He'd want to see the pictures, ask me about the photographer, how many people were in the room. | 0:35:09 | 0:35:16 | |
Sometimes you'd get home at eight o'clock, nine o'clock. Oh! And then the rages. | 0:35:16 | 0:35:21 | |
And with me being a bit feisty, I'd say, "Why didn't you ring the studio and find out?" | 0:35:21 | 0:35:28 | |
"You can't be going out of here at nine o'clock and back at nine!" | 0:35:28 | 0:35:32 | |
And I got a few clumps. Never, ever, in the ten years I was married to him, never touched my face. | 0:35:32 | 0:35:39 | |
Never punched me in the face or anywhere it would show. | 0:35:39 | 0:35:42 | |
You'd argue together and I'd turn round and walk away and got punched in the back of the head. | 0:35:42 | 0:35:48 | |
-# -How sweet it is to be loved by you... -# | 0:35:48 | 0:35:52 | |
Then, of course, I was asked to do some what I call glamour shots. Sexy shots. | 0:35:52 | 0:35:57 | |
They were topless shots, but you were holding your arms across you, or a side-on shot. | 0:35:57 | 0:36:02 | |
And then I was asked to do some topless shots for The Sun. | 0:36:02 | 0:36:07 | |
I got strangled, I got thrown into this bedroom, he broke a mirror throwing me against the wall. | 0:36:08 | 0:36:14 | |
I fled the marital home with these strangulation marks around my neck | 0:36:15 | 0:36:21 | |
and I think I'd a bruise on the side of my face here. He hadn't hit me there. I knocked against something. | 0:36:21 | 0:36:27 | |
Anyway, I fled to my friend, another model friend, in Knightsbridge. | 0:36:27 | 0:36:32 | |
Maureen's escape from her husband was her first step to freedom. | 0:36:32 | 0:36:36 | |
The 1969 Divorce Reform Act made it easier to get out of an unhappy marriage. | 0:36:36 | 0:36:42 | |
No longer did partners have to prove the other was at fault. A period of separation was sufficient grounds. | 0:36:42 | 0:36:48 | |
At last I felt wonderfully free | 0:36:48 | 0:36:51 | |
and I felt as though I was in charge of me, other than being somebody's wife, | 0:36:51 | 0:36:56 | |
somebody that I had to be home for, somebody I had to peel the potatoes and make dinner for. | 0:36:56 | 0:37:02 | |
I just was me and I was in charge of my destiny. | 0:37:02 | 0:37:07 | |
And I intended it to be good. | 0:37:07 | 0:37:10 | |
Five years after her divorce, Maureen fell in love with Terry, | 0:37:11 | 0:37:15 | |
a successful businessman and a free spirit. | 0:37:15 | 0:37:19 | |
He encouraged her to continue her career and made her feel as sexy as she looked. | 0:37:19 | 0:37:25 | |
It was carefree. All inhibitions flew out of the window. | 0:37:25 | 0:37:28 | |
I knew what I looked like. I knew I was pretty and he'd fancy me, | 0:37:28 | 0:37:33 | |
but I never thought I was sexy. I could never be sexual. I'd never done anything sexual. | 0:37:33 | 0:37:39 | |
In my ten years of marriage, I'd gone to bed and there wasn't any foreplay. | 0:37:39 | 0:37:45 | |
It's kisses, cuddles, touching of boobs and then sex. | 0:37:45 | 0:37:49 | |
So I'd never had to maybe dress up | 0:37:49 | 0:37:52 | |
and look beautiful. I'd never had to put a pair of stockings on. | 0:37:52 | 0:37:57 | |
I'd only done it for a photo shoot, never for my husband | 0:37:57 | 0:38:01 | |
because I didn't feel sexy. He never made me feel sexy. | 0:38:01 | 0:38:06 | |
I'd never had an orgasm. Never had an orgasm in ten years. | 0:38:06 | 0:38:10 | |
I know I didn't because at that time, when I had that orgasm, I thought, "Jesus! What is this?!" | 0:38:10 | 0:38:17 | |
-# -Now that I have found you... -# | 0:38:17 | 0:38:20 | |
After the birth of their son in 1976, Maureen and Terry married. | 0:38:20 | 0:38:25 | |
Maureen's modelling career has continued to this day. | 0:38:25 | 0:38:29 | |
Richard Holloway's marriage was also tested. His passionate campaign as a priest in the Glasgow Gorbals | 0:38:34 | 0:38:40 | |
to fight poverty and improve housing put a huge strain on his young family. | 0:38:40 | 0:38:45 | |
But in the end it made his marriage stronger. | 0:38:45 | 0:38:50 | |
It hasn't been easy trying to be a kind of... | 0:38:50 | 0:38:54 | |
a person who is there mainly for others, | 0:38:54 | 0:38:58 | |
but, you know, we kind of soldiered through it all, | 0:38:58 | 0:39:03 | |
and, of course, bringing children into those circumstances is quite a privilege, too. | 0:39:04 | 0:39:10 | |
It's the opposite of a cloistered nuclear family. | 0:39:10 | 0:39:13 | |
You're sharing your home, your relationship's with everyone | 0:39:13 | 0:39:18 | |
because in a sense you're kind of married to a parish as well. | 0:39:18 | 0:39:22 | |
So it brings riches as well as challenges and difficulties. | 0:39:22 | 0:39:28 | |
The church was very apprehensive about the more liberal and permissive atmosphere of the '60s, | 0:39:30 | 0:39:36 | |
especially the marriage and divorce law reforms. | 0:39:36 | 0:39:40 | |
So it continued to enforce the marriage vow, "'Til death us do part," in a literal way to mean | 0:39:40 | 0:39:46 | |
a couple who divorced could never remarry again in church. | 0:39:46 | 0:39:50 | |
As marriage breakdown increased, this was a rule that caused some great distress. | 0:39:50 | 0:39:56 | |
I didn't abide by that particular rule. | 0:39:56 | 0:40:00 | |
It always struck me as a bit odd that it was the only human failure | 0:40:00 | 0:40:05 | |
that the Christian church was particularly intransigent about. | 0:40:05 | 0:40:10 | |
It didn't offer any recourse to people who'd made that promise | 0:40:10 | 0:40:16 | |
and it had failed. Most people mess up. Most mess-ups get forgiven. | 0:40:16 | 0:40:21 | |
Divorce couldn't get forgiven because of this absolute vow. | 0:40:21 | 0:40:26 | |
Richard secretly defied church law to marry divorcees. | 0:40:28 | 0:40:33 | |
I'm not a natural rule keeper, so it might have been a mistake getting into a job | 0:40:33 | 0:40:39 | |
in which the rules were supposed to have been dictated by God. | 0:40:39 | 0:40:44 | |
But I didn't agonise very much about it. It just seemed that when these people came - not floods of them, | 0:40:44 | 0:40:50 | |
but a significant trickle - it was the same when I married gay people. | 0:40:50 | 0:40:55 | |
I did my first gay marriage in 1972 and again it was... | 0:40:56 | 0:41:00 | |
It seemed to me that when people came to you, humbly and searchingly, | 0:41:00 | 0:41:05 | |
and just somehow wanted some... grace in their lives, | 0:41:05 | 0:41:11 | |
some blessing on trying to make a relationship work, | 0:41:11 | 0:41:16 | |
and relationships are difficult enough, to say no... | 0:41:16 | 0:41:20 | |
Richard still remembers the first gay couple he married. | 0:41:20 | 0:41:25 | |
After Evensong one Sunday, the three of us stood in the little Lady Chapel at Old St Paul's | 0:41:27 | 0:41:33 | |
and I read the Prayer Book wedding service over them and they took the promises. | 0:41:33 | 0:41:39 | |
That was a very quiet, intimate little ceremony. It had no status, legally. | 0:41:39 | 0:41:44 | |
Didn't sign any certificates, | 0:41:44 | 0:41:47 | |
and the church would say it had no status theologically or religiously either. | 0:41:47 | 0:41:53 | |
It had status in their eyes. | 0:41:53 | 0:41:56 | |
They came to me again | 0:41:56 | 0:41:58 | |
and they said, "We've been together now 25 years. | 0:41:58 | 0:42:02 | |
"Will you come as Bishop of Edinburgh and celebrate our..." I don't know what jubilee that is. | 0:42:02 | 0:42:09 | |
And so I did. | 0:42:10 | 0:42:12 | |
And I went and celebrated a high mass as Bishop of Edinburgh | 0:42:12 | 0:42:17 | |
and the church was full of gay men celebrating this 20-year-old gay marriage. | 0:42:17 | 0:42:24 | |
They were together until the end. | 0:42:24 | 0:42:27 | |
Wilt thou have this woman... | 0:42:27 | 0:42:29 | |
In the Sixties, the taboo on mixed race marriage seemed to be breaking down | 0:42:29 | 0:42:35 | |
as the size of the immigrant population increased. | 0:42:35 | 0:42:39 | |
..comfort her, honour and keep her... | 0:42:39 | 0:42:41 | |
Nevertheless, many underlying tensions hardened and the Sixties are also seen as the decade | 0:42:41 | 0:42:47 | |
when anti-immigration sentiment peaked in Britain. | 0:42:47 | 0:42:51 | |
I will. | 0:42:51 | 0:42:52 | |
The racist attitudes which were present when Ros and John Howells married came more to the fore | 0:42:55 | 0:43:01 | |
as their daughters were growing up. | 0:43:01 | 0:43:04 | |
It was a potentially explosive issue that Ros and John viewed very differently | 0:43:04 | 0:43:09 | |
as they revealed in documentaries at the time. | 0:43:09 | 0:43:13 | |
They've got to know that the problem exists and be prepared to deal with it. | 0:43:13 | 0:43:20 | |
I can't accept John's, "It exists." | 0:43:20 | 0:43:22 | |
I think that it's unfair on the children. We chose this life. | 0:43:22 | 0:43:27 | |
We wanted to get married to each other. We can't plead ignorance. | 0:43:27 | 0:43:31 | |
We knew. Well, I knew very definitely that my children would have problems. | 0:43:31 | 0:43:38 | |
In those days, it was seen more as a prejudice. | 0:43:38 | 0:43:42 | |
People were prejudiced. It hadn't got the big word - racism, | 0:43:42 | 0:43:46 | |
which was the power plus the prejudice. | 0:43:46 | 0:43:50 | |
And he just ignored it. | 0:43:50 | 0:43:52 | |
Totally ignored it. | 0:43:52 | 0:43:55 | |
If I thought of it at all, I thought she'd be somewhere between these two | 0:43:55 | 0:44:01 | |
and it should be quite a nice colour! And that's all I thought. | 0:44:01 | 0:44:06 | |
As it happens, I was wrong. | 0:44:06 | 0:44:09 | |
I used to try and nag him into doing it. I'd say, "Did you...?" | 0:44:09 | 0:44:14 | |
And he'd say, "Oh, God. You're on that subject again?" | 0:44:14 | 0:44:18 | |
Because he was so comfortable with my family, with his family. | 0:44:18 | 0:44:24 | |
If you came here and you saw a black man, | 0:44:24 | 0:44:29 | |
or a woman or a family, if you don't like it, you can go. | 0:44:29 | 0:44:33 | |
Same with black people if they didn't like the white people here. They could go. | 0:44:33 | 0:44:39 | |
We had that sort of home. | 0:44:39 | 0:44:41 | |
# Lean on me When you're not strong... # | 0:44:41 | 0:44:45 | |
Ros was determined to get involved in campaigns that were being organised to fight racism, | 0:44:45 | 0:44:52 | |
but this disrupted her family life in many ways. | 0:44:52 | 0:44:56 | |
My daughter used to say, when she had to have badges on things, | 0:44:56 | 0:45:00 | |
"My dad will do it, Mum." | 0:45:00 | 0:45:02 | |
They didn't trust me to have a needle | 0:45:02 | 0:45:06 | |
and when I'm in the house I wanted to pretend that I was that sort of person. | 0:45:06 | 0:45:12 | |
You know, you come to your mum to do things with. | 0:45:12 | 0:45:16 | |
So I'd start making the cake with them and then the phone will ring | 0:45:16 | 0:45:21 | |
and then I'd be gone. You know, so he would have to do it. | 0:45:21 | 0:45:25 | |
I think he had a lot to put up with, but he accepted that's how I was. | 0:45:25 | 0:45:30 | |
Ros knew her involvement as a campaigner against racism would provoke suspicion and hostility | 0:45:32 | 0:45:38 | |
and also cause tension with her husband. | 0:45:38 | 0:45:42 | |
The more I got into being involved with race, | 0:45:42 | 0:45:47 | |
there was a distance. | 0:45:47 | 0:45:50 | |
We didn't grow out of each other, but our paths took us in different directions. | 0:45:52 | 0:45:58 | |
# Lean on me... # | 0:45:58 | 0:46:00 | |
Ros's ceaseless work promoting greater racial equality led to her becoming a prominent figure | 0:46:00 | 0:46:06 | |
in local and then national politics and she was made a life peer in 1999. | 0:46:06 | 0:46:12 | |
But her marriage to John never faltered. | 0:46:12 | 0:46:16 | |
John was not somebody who would deliberately want to hurt anyone. | 0:46:16 | 0:46:20 | |
So, if you like, I would say in spite of me he was a very nice man. | 0:46:24 | 0:46:28 | |
While I was out there | 0:46:28 | 0:46:30 | |
telling...priests, | 0:46:30 | 0:46:33 | |
policemen, how they should behave, | 0:46:33 | 0:46:37 | |
he didn't. You know. But he was the rock that was there. I knew he would be there. | 0:46:40 | 0:46:46 | |
In the early Seventies, many young people challenged old taboos and experimented with new identities. | 0:46:50 | 0:46:58 | |
This was reflected in a flourishing disco culture, where self-expression was everything. | 0:46:58 | 0:47:04 | |
# Oh, you pretty things | 0:47:04 | 0:47:07 | |
# Don't you know you're driving your mamas... # | 0:47:07 | 0:47:11 | |
It was in a disco in Leeds that a chance encounter turned Anne Geraghty's world upside down. | 0:47:11 | 0:47:18 | |
There was a guy dancing on the dance floor and he was really dancing | 0:47:18 | 0:47:25 | |
in a completely different way from how I'd seen dancing. | 0:47:25 | 0:47:29 | |
The DJ, who was this big, black, dead cool DJ, | 0:47:29 | 0:47:33 | |
came out and these two began this incredible dance. | 0:47:33 | 0:47:37 | |
The floor cleared, we all watched and I've never seen two people dance like it. | 0:47:37 | 0:47:43 | |
# Oh, you pretty things Don't you know... # | 0:47:43 | 0:47:48 | |
One of the people that was standing on the side was Anne. We'd never met. | 0:47:48 | 0:47:54 | |
But she saw me doing this outrageous dance with this guy. | 0:47:54 | 0:47:58 | |
And at the end of it, she saw that I was a sannyasin. | 0:48:01 | 0:48:06 | |
I was in orange with this mala. | 0:48:06 | 0:48:08 | |
And I met her that night, the first night I ever met her. | 0:48:08 | 0:48:13 | |
Martin had returned from India a sannyasin, one of Bhagwan's growing community of disciples in Britain. | 0:48:14 | 0:48:21 | |
They all dressed in the colour of the sunrise, | 0:48:21 | 0:48:24 | |
were given a new name and wore a picture or mala of their guru. | 0:48:24 | 0:48:28 | |
Meeting Martin convinced Anne, a feminist activist, | 0:48:28 | 0:48:33 | |
that she wanted to be a disciple, too. | 0:48:33 | 0:48:37 | |
I dyed my clothes orange | 0:48:38 | 0:48:41 | |
and I put on my mala with the picture of Bhagwan. | 0:48:41 | 0:48:45 | |
And I happened to go into the feminist bookshop in Leeds, | 0:48:45 | 0:48:49 | |
which was run by my friends, my sisters. | 0:48:49 | 0:48:52 | |
And I walked in and they came out from behind the till and faced me | 0:48:52 | 0:48:57 | |
and they said, "Anne, you are not welcome in here with that man around your neck." | 0:48:57 | 0:49:03 | |
And I tried to explain that this was a journey, I was going beyond the mind, going to follow my energy. | 0:49:03 | 0:49:10 | |
And as I spoke I began to realise | 0:49:10 | 0:49:13 | |
that I had gone, I had drifted further away from my old life than I had planned. | 0:49:13 | 0:49:19 | |
Bhagwan taught that enlightenment was achieved by casting aside social and sexual inhibitions, | 0:49:21 | 0:49:28 | |
something that Anne and Martin explored during an encounter group session they attended in Wales. | 0:49:28 | 0:49:35 | |
We put a mattress outside and we slept out under the stars in Wales. | 0:49:38 | 0:49:44 | |
And I remember that night when I slept with her | 0:49:44 | 0:49:48 | |
that I just felt like I'd come home. | 0:49:48 | 0:49:50 | |
There was this deep sense in me that something... I felt met. | 0:49:50 | 0:49:55 | |
At a very, very deep level. | 0:49:55 | 0:49:57 | |
That nobody else that I had been with or seen touched me in that way. | 0:49:57 | 0:50:04 | |
Somehow I felt with him, Sujen, as he was then, | 0:50:04 | 0:50:08 | |
that I was meeting someone | 0:50:08 | 0:50:11 | |
who was... | 0:50:11 | 0:50:13 | |
..running as blindly, but as totally into life as me. | 0:50:14 | 0:50:20 | |
I felt a match. | 0:50:20 | 0:50:22 | |
I could feel a profound meeting, | 0:50:22 | 0:50:25 | |
which...hadn't happened before. | 0:50:25 | 0:50:29 | |
The Orange People were one of a number of groups that explored their repressed sexual desires. | 0:50:32 | 0:50:38 | |
Bhagwan encouraged his sannyasin to experiment with free love | 0:50:40 | 0:50:44 | |
as a way to break down bourgeois structures of marriage and family life. | 0:50:44 | 0:50:50 | |
It was an experiment that attracted much ridicule. | 0:50:50 | 0:50:54 | |
Yet the disciples believed they were involved in a very different mission, to create a better world | 0:50:54 | 0:50:59 | |
free from sexual jealousy and possessiveness. | 0:50:59 | 0:51:03 | |
For Martin and Anne, seen here in a discussion group, | 0:51:03 | 0:51:07 | |
the quest for enlightenment was a difficult and often painful undertaking. | 0:51:07 | 0:51:13 | |
'I couldn't be | 0:51:13 | 0:51:15 | |
'this...easy-going, free person that we were trying to be.' | 0:51:15 | 0:51:21 | |
That English middle-class boy was still in there! | 0:51:22 | 0:51:26 | |
Anne somehow let go in a way that I couldn't quite. | 0:51:26 | 0:51:31 | |
And... | 0:51:31 | 0:51:32 | |
And the great god of jealousy reared its head, | 0:51:32 | 0:51:37 | |
which was, for me, very, very hard. Very hard. | 0:51:37 | 0:51:40 | |
It just hit me in the core of me | 0:51:40 | 0:51:43 | |
that I couldn't... I felt so dark and bad. | 0:51:43 | 0:51:48 | |
I could not let her go and just be. It was torture for me, basically. It really was agony. | 0:51:48 | 0:51:55 | |
And I'd go off into the night and just howl and scream | 0:52:03 | 0:52:08 | |
and sort of...you know, be...enraged | 0:52:08 | 0:52:13 | |
that this beautiful woman that I loved was somehow able | 0:52:13 | 0:52:17 | |
to just go and have a good time with someone else. I had terrible dark moods. | 0:52:17 | 0:52:22 | |
One minute I was like flowing in the energy flow, practically enlightened, | 0:52:25 | 0:52:30 | |
next minute in the pits because Sujen was going off with somebody | 0:52:32 | 0:52:37 | |
and I was eaten up with jealousy and possessiveness. But I knew I had to work on this. | 0:52:37 | 0:52:43 | |
I was too attached, I was too possessive. | 0:52:43 | 0:52:46 | |
The Orange People's quest ended in disappointment and failure | 0:52:47 | 0:52:52 | |
and so, too, did Anne and Martin's relationship. They drifted apart | 0:52:52 | 0:52:57 | |
and then split up after leaving Bhagwan's community. | 0:52:57 | 0:53:01 | |
In breaking down the structures of the nuclear family | 0:53:01 | 0:53:04 | |
and in questioning everything about intimate relationships, | 0:53:04 | 0:53:10 | |
we were... At the time of the doing of these experimental ways of living, | 0:53:10 | 0:53:16 | |
you can't tell in advance what is going against something very profound that is real | 0:53:16 | 0:53:23 | |
and what is just old conditioning that needs to be broken down. | 0:53:23 | 0:53:29 | |
Then, 11 years after they first met, | 0:53:29 | 0:53:32 | |
Anne and Martin met again by chance on a London bus. | 0:53:32 | 0:53:35 | |
This time they decided to do it differently. | 0:53:35 | 0:53:39 | |
I felt like we needed to get married. It was almost like I needed to go into the ring. | 0:53:39 | 0:53:44 | |
This is what marriage was for me. | 0:53:44 | 0:53:47 | |
It was like going into a ring and there was no way out. I was not going to get out of that ring again. | 0:53:47 | 0:53:53 | |
I was not going to be with any other woman. I knew this was the woman I had to go on this journey with | 0:53:53 | 0:54:00 | |
and that marriage was a statement to myself and to her | 0:54:00 | 0:54:05 | |
and to the world that this was the woman that... I'm going to be with. | 0:54:05 | 0:54:11 | |
Martin and I realised this is it. It's here. We have to deal with it. | 0:54:11 | 0:54:15 | |
It's up to us. | 0:54:15 | 0:54:17 | |
And so marriage became, for us, a recognition of that, | 0:54:17 | 0:54:23 | |
that here it's up to us here to find what love is. | 0:54:23 | 0:54:29 | |
Love is not something over there to be found. | 0:54:29 | 0:54:32 | |
It's something that it's our responsibility to create here. | 0:54:32 | 0:54:37 | |
When Rosie Boycott met American journalist John Steinbeck Junior in London, | 0:54:40 | 0:54:45 | |
he represented everything she rejected as a feminist. | 0:54:45 | 0:54:49 | |
He was a macho man on a motorbike, dangerous, hard-drinking and a womaniser, | 0:54:49 | 0:54:54 | |
yet she fell madly in love with him. | 0:54:54 | 0:54:56 | |
I felt a very fraudulent feminist. | 0:54:56 | 0:54:59 | |
It was very complicated, actually, for me because suddenly this was more important. | 0:54:59 | 0:55:05 | |
That was quite frightening and I was prepared to do anything, | 0:55:05 | 0:55:10 | |
go anywhere, say anything, follow anything. | 0:55:10 | 0:55:14 | |
And it totally sideswiped me. | 0:55:14 | 0:55:17 | |
I would, at moments, pull back and think, "Hang on a minute. | 0:55:17 | 0:55:21 | |
"You've just spent quite a lot of your life trying to say that this is not what should happen." | 0:55:21 | 0:55:27 | |
You know, one should not be beholden to a bloke like this, but actually I was. | 0:55:27 | 0:55:33 | |
What Rosie's head and heart told her were very different. | 0:55:34 | 0:55:37 | |
Contradictions played out against a national debate about love, sex and marriage. | 0:55:37 | 0:55:43 | |
The question of relationships, sexual openness versus sexual possessiveness, | 0:55:43 | 0:55:51 | |
just never got resolved. I know when I met John | 0:55:51 | 0:55:55 | |
and I was very independent and cocky and buzzing around and having a very good time, | 0:55:55 | 0:56:01 | |
that he liked my independence, my independence from him, | 0:56:01 | 0:56:06 | |
that I wasn't a kind of doormat woman. | 0:56:06 | 0:56:09 | |
And we certainly experimented with... | 0:56:09 | 0:56:14 | |
I know once or twice there were one more person in the bed | 0:56:14 | 0:56:18 | |
and he slept with other people and I used to just bite my lip | 0:56:18 | 0:56:23 | |
because at that point I was kind of confident enough, I think, about how much he liked me, | 0:56:23 | 0:56:29 | |
but it was hideous and I hated it. | 0:56:29 | 0:56:31 | |
As the relationship started to nosedive, he having affairs, | 0:56:31 | 0:56:37 | |
I found it absolutely, totally painful. | 0:56:37 | 0:56:41 | |
I tried on one occasion having an affair myself, but it didn't help at all. | 0:56:41 | 0:56:48 | |
Actually, all one's feminist credentials were useless | 0:56:48 | 0:56:52 | |
against that level of unhappiness and misery about that. | 0:56:52 | 0:56:57 | |
I did think perhaps marriage would be an answer | 0:56:57 | 0:57:01 | |
and that, yeah, there was a wonderful little voice | 0:57:01 | 0:57:05 | |
or loud voice in my head saying, "This might really sort it out. Once you're married, it'll be OK." | 0:57:05 | 0:57:12 | |
Rosie and John Steinbeck Junior never did marry. | 0:57:12 | 0:57:15 | |
The Seventies feminist icon became a successful magazine editor | 0:57:15 | 0:57:19 | |
and the first woman in Britain to edit a national broadsheet. She is now happily married. | 0:57:19 | 0:57:25 | |
'It was like a social earthquake. And even though the earthquake itself didn't carry on,' | 0:57:25 | 0:57:32 | |
you think how far things have travelled from then. It was a brilliant moment to be young. | 0:57:32 | 0:57:39 | |
Absolutely brilliant. | 0:57:39 | 0:57:41 | |
Even though it had lots of pain and lots of heartbreak and lots of chaos, | 0:57:41 | 0:57:46 | |
it was unbelievably exciting. I wouldn't trade it for a day. | 0:57:46 | 0:57:50 | |
The effects of the sexual revolution, the empowerment of women | 0:57:52 | 0:57:56 | |
and the growth of a global consumer society were only fully realised | 0:57:56 | 0:58:00 | |
in the last decades of the 20th century. The divorce rate would increase dramatically, | 0:58:00 | 0:58:06 | |
yet the institution of marriage would survive. | 0:58:06 | 0:58:10 | |
And for many it got stronger. | 0:58:10 | 0:58:12 | |
What would it take to create a happy marriage and a loving family in the 1980s and '90s? | 0:58:12 | 0:58:19 | |
MUSIC: "Who Wants To Be A Millionaire?" | 0:58:22 | 0:58:26 | |
Subtitles by Red Bee Media Ltd | 0:58:41 | 0:58:43 |