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In the UK, an estimated one in seven couples | 0:00:02 | 0:00:05 | |
suffer fertility problems of some kind. | 0:00:05 | 0:00:08 | |
Every year, thousands of these will seek help | 0:00:10 | 0:00:12 | |
in the form of fertility treatment. | 0:00:12 | 0:00:14 | |
For some, this will be a success, | 0:00:16 | 0:00:19 | |
resulting in a much longed-for child. | 0:00:19 | 0:00:21 | |
I suppose it's a different type of stress | 0:00:21 | 0:00:24 | |
when you're pregnant through IVF | 0:00:24 | 0:00:26 | |
because you just want it to work out so much | 0:00:26 | 0:00:29 | |
and it was just the best day of our lives, I would say, to have our son. | 0:00:29 | 0:00:34 | |
For others, it will be an uphill struggle. | 0:00:35 | 0:00:39 | |
Society puts all of us under a massive amount of pressure | 0:00:39 | 0:00:43 | |
and for those people who are struggling to have a family, | 0:00:43 | 0:00:46 | |
or those people who choose not to have a family, | 0:00:46 | 0:00:49 | |
I think people need to be more aware of that. | 0:00:49 | 0:00:52 | |
This is the story of the arduous journey faced by many couples | 0:00:53 | 0:00:57 | |
and individuals as they strive for their ultimate goal - | 0:00:57 | 0:01:01 | |
a newborn baby. | 0:01:01 | 0:01:03 | |
Ali and Andrew have been together for five years, | 0:01:15 | 0:01:18 | |
and, after experiencing one unsuccessful IVF cycle, | 0:01:18 | 0:01:22 | |
they are now embarking on the journey for the second time. | 0:01:22 | 0:01:25 | |
'Well, we're going to meet the consultant that's going to be doing' | 0:01:27 | 0:01:31 | |
our treatment and to basically make a plan as to where we go from here. | 0:01:31 | 0:01:36 | |
So, did they do, at any stage, | 0:01:36 | 0:01:38 | |
a blood test called AMH blood test, | 0:01:38 | 0:01:41 | |
or anti-Mullerian hormone, do you remember that? | 0:01:41 | 0:01:44 | |
I don't remember that as such, no. | 0:01:44 | 0:01:46 | |
OK. Then I think the first thing I would want is your AMH level, | 0:01:46 | 0:01:50 | |
to know exactly what sort of protocol we're going to use, | 0:01:50 | 0:01:54 | |
and then the results are usually ready within a week. | 0:01:54 | 0:01:57 | |
-OK, yep. -Great. | 0:01:57 | 0:01:58 | |
By testing Ali's AMH, or anti-Mullerian hormone, | 0:02:00 | 0:02:03 | |
the clinic will be able to determine the function of Ali's ovaries, | 0:02:03 | 0:02:08 | |
and how she is likely to respond to fertility treatment. | 0:02:08 | 0:02:11 | |
'I mean, the blood test that we had done' | 0:02:11 | 0:02:14 | |
is something that we hadn't heard about before, | 0:02:14 | 0:02:16 | |
and I think could answer so many questions for us. | 0:02:16 | 0:02:19 | |
'You want to be excited but yet the disappointment and devastation | 0:02:20 | 0:02:24 | |
'when it didn't work before | 0:02:24 | 0:02:25 | |
'and you know there's a chance that might happen again, that's tough.' | 0:02:25 | 0:02:29 | |
It's hard. It's not easy. | 0:02:29 | 0:02:31 | |
The appointments are the easy bit. | 0:02:31 | 0:02:33 | |
It's the bits in between that aren't the easy bits. | 0:02:33 | 0:02:36 | |
When you've got time to think about things. | 0:02:36 | 0:02:38 | |
Too much time to think about things! Yes, that's my problem! | 0:02:38 | 0:02:42 | |
For many couples, the battle with infertility can last several years. | 0:02:51 | 0:02:55 | |
This was the case for Sharon Davidson | 0:02:55 | 0:02:58 | |
and her husband Gary who got married in 1997. | 0:02:58 | 0:03:01 | |
'With infertility, it's a journey. | 0:03:03 | 0:03:05 | |
You're waiting on tests, you're waiting on test results, | 0:03:05 | 0:03:08 | |
'you're waiting on treatments - if the treatment doesn't work,' | 0:03:08 | 0:03:11 | |
you sort of have to pull yourself out of that | 0:03:11 | 0:03:14 | |
and go through the tests and treatments again, | 0:03:14 | 0:03:17 | |
so it's a bit of a roller coaster ride, to be honest. | 0:03:17 | 0:03:20 | |
After five years on this roller coaster ride, | 0:03:21 | 0:03:25 | |
we went through a treatment cycle - it was a frozen embryo transfer - | 0:03:25 | 0:03:31 | |
and it was successful. | 0:03:31 | 0:03:33 | |
We were quite lucky because that was kind of the last throw of the dice. | 0:03:37 | 0:03:41 | |
We're very blessed to have our son. | 0:03:41 | 0:03:43 | |
Somebody was looking down on us that day, that's all I can say! | 0:03:43 | 0:03:47 | |
Really, at that time, I think we just said, "That's enough. | 0:03:48 | 0:03:51 | |
"Draw the line under fertility treatment." | 0:03:51 | 0:03:53 | |
We decided to look at alternative routes to have a family. | 0:03:53 | 0:03:57 | |
We embarked on this journey to go to an orphanage in Russia | 0:03:59 | 0:04:03 | |
and that wasn't straightforward either. | 0:04:03 | 0:04:05 | |
In some respects, that was more stressful than the IVF. | 0:04:05 | 0:04:09 | |
In the spring of 2008, Sharon and Gary were finally able to bring | 0:04:09 | 0:04:12 | |
their newly adopted daughter home, from Russia to Northern Ireland. | 0:04:12 | 0:04:17 | |
We are very, very lucky to have two wonderful children and every day that | 0:04:19 | 0:04:24 | |
goes by, you really pinch yourself to realise how lucky you are. | 0:04:24 | 0:04:29 | |
PHONE RINGS | 0:04:29 | 0:04:30 | |
Sharon's experience led her to become involved with | 0:04:30 | 0:04:33 | |
infertility Network UK | 0:04:33 | 0:04:35 | |
and she is now the regional organiser for Northern Ireland. | 0:04:35 | 0:04:38 | |
Do you want to know about the support groups? | 0:04:38 | 0:04:40 | |
So there's plenty of support and information out there if you want it. | 0:04:40 | 0:04:44 | |
'I think that there is a bit of a culture in Northern Ireland | 0:04:44 | 0:04:48 | |
'where people don't ask for help as readily, | 0:04:48 | 0:04:50 | |
'and I think that that needs to be challenged a wee bit, | 0:04:50 | 0:04:53 | |
'so that people will feel comfortable to ask for help | 0:04:53 | 0:04:56 | |
'and to go along to support groups,' | 0:04:56 | 0:04:59 | |
and they can gain support from each other, really, | 0:04:59 | 0:05:01 | |
that kind of peer support. | 0:05:01 | 0:05:03 | |
Ali and Andrew are at the clinic, | 0:05:08 | 0:05:10 | |
and are anxiously awaiting the results of Ali's blood test. | 0:05:10 | 0:05:14 | |
'The thought of getting those results today | 0:05:14 | 0:05:17 | |
'and getting bad news is just sickening me to my stomach.' | 0:05:17 | 0:05:20 | |
I don't even know how to put into words. | 0:05:20 | 0:05:23 | |
OK, so from the last time that we met, | 0:05:27 | 0:05:30 | |
-you had your blood test done on for the anti-Mullerian hormone. -Mm-hm. | 0:05:30 | 0:05:34 | |
So we've got the reports back on that and that seems absolutely fine. | 0:05:34 | 0:05:39 | |
They basically say that that's normal for your age, | 0:05:39 | 0:05:42 | |
so the implication of this is that, A, it's highly unlikely that | 0:05:42 | 0:05:47 | |
if we put you onto IVF hormonal medications, | 0:05:47 | 0:05:51 | |
you would not produce eggs. | 0:05:51 | 0:05:53 | |
'If I'm completely honest, I should be ecstatic because my results worked | 0:05:53 | 0:05:58 | |
'to my favour and everything seems to be moving along, but I'm nervous. | 0:05:58 | 0:06:02 | |
'I am nervous,' | 0:06:02 | 0:06:04 | |
and I've three weeks now to get my head around, | 0:06:04 | 0:06:06 | |
that when I start the treatment, | 0:06:06 | 0:06:08 | |
it's in a positive frame of mind, so, quite nerve-racking. | 0:06:08 | 0:06:12 | |
-And then we'll take it from there. -OK. -Good luck. Hope it works for you. | 0:06:12 | 0:06:15 | |
-Thank you. -Thank you. | 0:06:15 | 0:06:16 | |
'If it doesn't work eventually, then we deal with it afterwards' | 0:06:16 | 0:06:20 | |
'but in the short term,' | 0:06:20 | 0:06:21 | |
we have to think that it will work and that we'll get our twins. | 0:06:21 | 0:06:24 | |
After marrying in 2009, | 0:06:32 | 0:06:35 | |
Emma and Ben moved from London to Emma's hometown of Belfast. | 0:06:35 | 0:06:40 | |
One of the reasons we moved back to Belfast was | 0:06:40 | 0:06:43 | |
cos we'd like to bring up a family | 0:06:43 | 0:06:45 | |
and we didn't think we could really do it in London, | 0:06:45 | 0:06:48 | |
so we've been trying pretty much as soon as we got back. | 0:06:48 | 0:06:52 | |
'We had a minor success about this time last year.' | 0:06:54 | 0:06:59 | |
Found out I was pregnant but then miscarried at the start of January. | 0:06:59 | 0:07:04 | |
After recovering from the miscarriage, | 0:07:06 | 0:07:08 | |
Emma and Ben decided to seek medical help with their efforts to conceive. | 0:07:08 | 0:07:12 | |
'We've had our tests, | 0:07:15 | 0:07:16 | |
'so Ben's had his sperm tested and I've had my blood tested. | 0:07:16 | 0:07:20 | |
'For the woman, they just test for your hormone levels' | 0:07:20 | 0:07:24 | |
and mine were fine. The only one that was a bit low was oestrogen, | 0:07:24 | 0:07:27 | |
but not enough to be too worried. | 0:07:27 | 0:07:29 | |
'My sperm tests weren't 100%. There were two areas. | 0:07:30 | 0:07:34 | |
'One of them, I think, was motility, | 0:07:34 | 0:07:37 | |
'which is kind of the amount of movement of the sperm,' | 0:07:37 | 0:07:41 | |
and then morphology was actually just below the normal range, | 0:07:41 | 0:07:44 | |
which suggests that there's a higher number of ones with two heads, | 0:07:44 | 0:07:48 | |
and double tails and, you know, freak sperm, basically. | 0:07:48 | 0:07:51 | |
-Monster sperm! -Yeah. | 0:07:51 | 0:07:52 | |
Which I thought was quite funny, | 0:07:52 | 0:07:53 | |
but then I should probably be a bit more serious about it. | 0:07:53 | 0:07:56 | |
Emma and Ben are now waiting to be called for treatment on the NHS, | 0:07:58 | 0:08:02 | |
but in the meantime they are trying to conceive naturally. | 0:08:02 | 0:08:05 | |
I've been keeping track of my cycles and everything, just in case, | 0:08:06 | 0:08:10 | |
and we've been very good, and having regular sex. | 0:08:10 | 0:08:15 | |
'And I haven't really thought about | 0:08:16 | 0:08:19 | |
if it does or doesn't happen on this treatment. | 0:08:19 | 0:08:21 | |
I don't want to play too many scenarios in the future in my head. | 0:08:21 | 0:08:25 | |
No, we can't really afford to think about | 0:08:25 | 0:08:27 | |
-the other options at the moment, so one day at a time. -Yeah, exactly. | 0:08:27 | 0:08:30 | |
At home, Ali has begun administering her own injections, | 0:08:36 | 0:08:40 | |
with the help of her husband Andrew. | 0:08:40 | 0:08:42 | |
I have to be honest. I don't... | 0:08:44 | 0:08:45 | |
SHE LAUGHS | 0:08:45 | 0:08:47 | |
I don't fill them up or anything. | 0:08:47 | 0:08:49 | |
I tried one day and completely freaked out | 0:08:49 | 0:08:51 | |
because I couldn't work out what I was doing. | 0:08:51 | 0:08:53 | |
Andrew's quite good at it. It's quite fiddly. | 0:08:53 | 0:08:55 | |
These injections are designed to allow Ali's cycle to be artificially | 0:08:58 | 0:09:02 | |
controlled and to stimulate her ovaries to produce more eggs. | 0:09:02 | 0:09:06 | |
Many of Ali's friends and family are pregnant, | 0:09:10 | 0:09:13 | |
or already have children, | 0:09:13 | 0:09:15 | |
a situation which can be difficult to cope with. | 0:09:15 | 0:09:18 | |
I currently have a sister-in-law and two very good friends pregnant. | 0:09:19 | 0:09:25 | |
My cousin just had a baby this morning, | 0:09:25 | 0:09:28 | |
and a very good friend of mine's daughter is seven weeks old, | 0:09:28 | 0:09:33 | |
and then you've other people who you know want children, | 0:09:33 | 0:09:36 | |
or have one already, and are starting to try again for a second, | 0:09:36 | 0:09:40 | |
or things like that, so... | 0:09:40 | 0:09:43 | |
You know, everybody's different, mind you. | 0:09:43 | 0:09:45 | |
I'll just take one if I can get it! | 0:09:47 | 0:09:49 | |
'I can't pinpoint a reason. | 0:09:51 | 0:09:53 | |
'I just know that the last few days for me have been difficult, | 0:09:53 | 0:09:58 | |
'but for Andrew especially when I go into my little downtimes, | 0:09:58 | 0:10:02 | |
'that I can't really explain to him.' | 0:10:02 | 0:10:05 | |
You know, when a woman wants to be a mother, | 0:10:05 | 0:10:08 | |
it's quite hard to explain the feeling when you can't. | 0:10:08 | 0:10:12 | |
In an effort to gain more insight into the way Ali is feeling, | 0:10:15 | 0:10:18 | |
Andrew is accompanying her to a counselling session. | 0:10:18 | 0:10:23 | |
'We're going tonight to a counselling lady | 0:10:23 | 0:10:26 | |
'that's being provided by the IVF clinic.' | 0:10:26 | 0:10:29 | |
I think it's important for me to go to the counselling so that | 0:10:29 | 0:10:34 | |
I can understand, as we go through this process, | 0:10:34 | 0:10:37 | |
exactly how she's feeling. | 0:10:37 | 0:10:39 | |
'I have had a rough couple of days the last couple of days, | 0:10:44 | 0:10:48 | |
'just very emotional,' | 0:10:48 | 0:10:49 | |
and almost angry feelings, | 0:10:49 | 0:10:52 | |
towards having to do this again, and I've struggled to deal with that | 0:10:52 | 0:10:56 | |
and, unfortunately, Andrew's borne the brunt of that. | 0:10:56 | 0:10:59 | |
I've tried to train myself to ignore the bad bits | 0:10:59 | 0:11:03 | |
and just focus on the positive. | 0:11:03 | 0:11:06 | |
I don't want to look at this process as there being a possibility | 0:11:06 | 0:11:10 | |
of negative, whereas Ali obviously has much more of that | 0:11:10 | 0:11:14 | |
roller coaster emotional ride, and I'm blocking that part completely, | 0:11:14 | 0:11:20 | |
and trying to focus on the positive, and look at that as our outcome. | 0:11:20 | 0:11:24 | |
Maybe I don't realise that Ali's getting upset | 0:11:24 | 0:11:28 | |
and then her way of dealing with that is... | 0:11:28 | 0:11:31 | |
I wouldn't go so far as to say pick a fight, but something... | 0:11:31 | 0:11:37 | |
I'm sitting upset and I feel to myself, | 0:11:37 | 0:11:40 | |
"Why hasn't he come looking for me? He should know I'm upset," | 0:11:40 | 0:11:44 | |
and then, eventually, I'll come down the stairs | 0:11:44 | 0:11:47 | |
and Andrew will talk to me like nothing's happened, | 0:11:47 | 0:11:50 | |
and I'll feel quite angry that perhaps he hasn't... | 0:11:50 | 0:11:53 | |
..noticed and, because of that, will lash out. | 0:11:54 | 0:11:57 | |
So maybe there's some other way of showing that you | 0:11:57 | 0:12:01 | |
would like Andrew to acknowledge | 0:12:01 | 0:12:03 | |
and step into your space. | 0:12:03 | 0:12:05 | |
Going through treatment - it's not the normal kind of situation and, | 0:12:05 | 0:12:10 | |
therefore, maybe it requires slightly different ways of doing things. | 0:12:10 | 0:12:16 | |
A hand gesture, maybe there's something to move, physically, | 0:12:16 | 0:12:19 | |
from one place to the other, | 0:12:19 | 0:12:21 | |
to let the other person know, "Yes, I need something different here." | 0:12:21 | 0:12:25 | |
-I quite like that idea, actually. -Moving something? | 0:12:25 | 0:12:28 | |
Yeah, cos it's something that you moved or | 0:12:28 | 0:12:31 | |
something physical that you did that I could understand and go, | 0:12:31 | 0:12:34 | |
"OK, I need to take some time out for," | 0:12:34 | 0:12:36 | |
even if it's only 15 or 20 minutes or half an hour, | 0:12:36 | 0:12:39 | |
and to put aside what I'm doing | 0:12:39 | 0:12:41 | |
and come back to it again at a later time. | 0:12:41 | 0:12:43 | |
Maybe that is a good idea. | 0:12:43 | 0:12:45 | |
You need to do something that is different and obvious, | 0:12:46 | 0:12:50 | |
so that you can actually come together. | 0:12:50 | 0:12:54 | |
I think that's probably something that's workable | 0:12:54 | 0:12:57 | |
and not even just in the IVF. | 0:12:57 | 0:12:58 | |
I think probably going forward, | 0:12:58 | 0:13:00 | |
cos we haven't had anything before that we would have | 0:13:00 | 0:13:04 | |
necessarily done and because you are so emotional, and you get... | 0:13:04 | 0:13:08 | |
I'm not that emotional! I cry at movies and X Factor, but that's OK. | 0:13:08 | 0:13:13 | |
Most birds do. | 0:13:13 | 0:13:14 | |
SHE CHUCKLES | 0:13:14 | 0:13:15 | |
It's what we do! | 0:13:15 | 0:13:17 | |
And our hearts aren't made of stone. | 0:13:19 | 0:13:21 | |
-OK. -OK. | 0:13:21 | 0:13:23 | |
Emma and Ben have been for an initial consultation | 0:13:30 | 0:13:33 | |
at the Regional Fertility Centre, but before any treatment starts, | 0:13:33 | 0:13:37 | |
the doctor has advised them to keep trying to conceive naturally. | 0:13:37 | 0:13:41 | |
The fact that we've already been pregnant briefly before, | 0:13:42 | 0:13:46 | |
and that I've had positive ovulation tests, is a really good sign, | 0:13:46 | 0:13:50 | |
and he kind of even said himself, "You know, the best outcome for us | 0:13:50 | 0:13:54 | |
"would be that you wouldn't even have to have that much intervention." | 0:13:54 | 0:13:58 | |
So, we're crossing our fingers and uncrossing our legs! | 0:13:58 | 0:14:01 | |
Emma is a photographer | 0:14:04 | 0:14:05 | |
and is currently working towards a master's degree. | 0:14:05 | 0:14:09 | |
Well, for my master's, I've begun a project about | 0:14:11 | 0:14:15 | |
women's access to reproductive rights in Northern Ireland. | 0:14:15 | 0:14:20 | |
I think it makes me feel quite strongly. | 0:14:21 | 0:14:24 | |
For instance, when I found out that in Northern Ireland, | 0:14:24 | 0:14:28 | |
we only get one cycle of fertility, | 0:14:28 | 0:14:30 | |
it's somebody else forcing their moral or other opinions | 0:14:30 | 0:14:35 | |
onto a woman legally. | 0:14:35 | 0:14:38 | |
I feel very strongly that the moral or, I don't know, | 0:14:38 | 0:14:41 | |
financial opinions of an MOA shouldn't affect at all | 0:14:41 | 0:14:45 | |
whether a woman wants to have a child or not. | 0:14:45 | 0:14:48 | |
Five weeks after her drugs regime began, | 0:14:54 | 0:14:57 | |
Ali is at the clinic for her egg collection. | 0:14:57 | 0:15:00 | |
Although she has been regularly scanned, it is not yet known | 0:15:00 | 0:15:04 | |
how many eggs she will produce. | 0:15:04 | 0:15:06 | |
Once the anaesthetist gives you the drugs to make you feel dizzy, | 0:15:08 | 0:15:12 | |
I'm going to locate the ovary, give a single jab | 0:15:12 | 0:15:15 | |
and start draining the fluid from the follicles. | 0:15:15 | 0:15:18 | |
Try not to be nervous, try to listen to my instructions in theatre, OK, | 0:15:18 | 0:15:23 | |
and everything will go smoothly, OK? | 0:15:23 | 0:15:25 | |
Although she remains awake, Ali is sedated for the procedure, | 0:15:35 | 0:15:39 | |
which involves draining the fluid from the follicles in her ovaries. | 0:15:39 | 0:15:43 | |
That is the follicle, | 0:15:48 | 0:15:50 | |
so the fluid goes on that tube and that follicle is drained slowly. | 0:15:50 | 0:15:56 | |
The fluid is then taken to the adjoining lab where | 0:15:58 | 0:16:02 | |
it is examined under a microscope to check for the presence of eggs. | 0:16:02 | 0:16:06 | |
As the procedure concludes, the result is a positive one for Ali. | 0:16:17 | 0:16:21 | |
Everything went smoothly, straightforward, | 0:16:22 | 0:16:26 | |
and we hit nine eggs, which is slightly above the average. | 0:16:26 | 0:16:31 | |
On average, we expect eight eggs per patient so we are pleased with that. | 0:16:31 | 0:16:35 | |
A few hours later, Ali and Andrew meet embryologist Richard, | 0:16:43 | 0:16:47 | |
who wants to discuss whether they are treated with conventional IVF | 0:16:47 | 0:16:51 | |
or ICSI, which involves injecting an individual egg with a single sperm. | 0:16:51 | 0:16:56 | |
The one issue this morning is when I first looked at the sperm sample, | 0:16:56 | 0:17:01 | |
it was worse than your previous, OK. | 0:17:01 | 0:17:03 | |
I think in the past, you'd had about 70% motile in your initial. | 0:17:03 | 0:17:07 | |
Today, it was about 20, 30, so that was a bit of a concern initially. | 0:17:07 | 0:17:12 | |
I've done the preparation now and that's prepared much better, OK, | 0:17:12 | 0:17:17 | |
so the motile percentage is about 55% now. | 0:17:17 | 0:17:20 | |
So there's plenty of sperm swimming there. | 0:17:20 | 0:17:22 | |
The initial analysis raised a few question marks for me, | 0:17:22 | 0:17:26 | |
as to whether we should be doing ICSI. | 0:17:26 | 0:17:28 | |
The other options are we could always do a split, | 0:17:29 | 0:17:32 | |
where we do half IVF, half ICSI, but I think the fact you've | 0:17:32 | 0:17:35 | |
had this IVF before, I think we should stick to IVF. | 0:17:35 | 0:17:38 | |
Wherever possible, | 0:17:38 | 0:17:39 | |
we use the least invasive technique which is conventional IVF. | 0:17:39 | 0:17:43 | |
-Are you all right? -Yeah, I just... | 0:17:45 | 0:17:48 | |
-The whole sperm thing just kind of threw me a little bit. -Oh, sorry. | 0:17:48 | 0:17:52 | |
I just... I wanted to put you in the picture, obviously, | 0:17:52 | 0:17:55 | |
of what's going on there. | 0:17:55 | 0:17:57 | |
I think there's plenty of sperm there, it's just more the percent. | 0:17:57 | 0:18:00 | |
The question initially was, was there enough there, | 0:18:00 | 0:18:03 | |
or enough to do conventional IVF? | 0:18:03 | 0:18:05 | |
That's why we wanted to check, so we've just got to wait to see | 0:18:05 | 0:18:08 | |
tomorrow how many fertilise and we'll go from there. | 0:18:08 | 0:18:11 | |
-OK? I'm sorry to upset you today. -No, no, no. | 0:18:12 | 0:18:15 | |
I just... I think it just threw me a little bit. | 0:18:15 | 0:18:17 | |
I'll call tomorrow to tell you how things have gone on | 0:18:17 | 0:18:20 | |
and we'll go from there. Best of luck. All right? Good to meet you. | 0:18:20 | 0:18:24 | |
-Thanks. -Thank you. -Thanks. | 0:18:24 | 0:18:26 | |
Yeah, I think you're always hoping that you're going to hear that | 0:18:26 | 0:18:30 | |
everything's perfect and it's clearly not perfect today, but... | 0:18:30 | 0:18:35 | |
..I think at the end of that, we probably got from that | 0:18:37 | 0:18:40 | |
that he was happy enough to proceed. | 0:18:40 | 0:18:42 | |
I don't know, it's just one of those things. | 0:18:42 | 0:18:45 | |
You spend so long focusing on your eggs, I think that you | 0:18:45 | 0:18:48 | |
forget that there's another side to it, you know, and... I don't know. | 0:18:48 | 0:18:53 | |
You expect everything to be normal and perfect, | 0:18:53 | 0:18:56 | |
as it has been all along, | 0:18:56 | 0:18:57 | |
and when it's not, it kind of throws you a little bit. | 0:18:57 | 0:19:01 | |
The next 24 hours are going to be pretty tough. | 0:19:01 | 0:19:03 | |
But...we just have to wait and see. | 0:19:05 | 0:19:08 | |
Fertility problems can put a huge strain on a relationship, | 0:19:18 | 0:19:22 | |
and Ben and his wife Emma are no exception to this. | 0:19:22 | 0:19:26 | |
'We have a very strong relationship | 0:19:27 | 0:19:30 | |
'but the whole process has put some pressure on us, | 0:19:30 | 0:19:33 | |
'whether we'd like to admit it or not. | 0:19:33 | 0:19:36 | |
'It gets really hard.' | 0:19:36 | 0:19:37 | |
I mean, we felt a lot of pressure | 0:19:37 | 0:19:39 | |
and have kind of fallen out with each other unnecessarily. | 0:19:39 | 0:19:43 | |
I don't think I would happen if... | 0:19:43 | 0:19:45 | |
Well, put it this way - if Emma was pregnant, | 0:19:45 | 0:19:47 | |
we'd have something to focus on that is very real, and very big, | 0:19:47 | 0:19:51 | |
and scary and stressful, but at the same time, | 0:19:51 | 0:19:53 | |
this is our challenge together and it's, like, we're having a family! | 0:19:53 | 0:19:57 | |
After reading all the advice on the pregnancy websites, | 0:19:59 | 0:20:02 | |
it suggests you have sex every other day and, after a few months of that, | 0:20:02 | 0:20:06 | |
it started to get really difficult for us. | 0:20:06 | 0:20:08 | |
I felt I was actually struggling to perform and then, thankfully, | 0:20:08 | 0:20:12 | |
the two of us sat down and talked about it, realised what was going on - | 0:20:12 | 0:20:15 | |
it was just the pressure of the situation - | 0:20:15 | 0:20:18 | |
and did exactly what the pregnancy websites advise you to do, | 0:20:18 | 0:20:21 | |
which is just enjoy it! | 0:20:21 | 0:20:22 | |
We have busy lives as it is. | 0:20:26 | 0:20:28 | |
We both do freelance work and we would obviously try | 0:20:28 | 0:20:31 | |
and squeeze in our sex lives into that anyway, | 0:20:31 | 0:20:34 | |
but when you realise that you have to do it on that particular day, | 0:20:34 | 0:20:38 | |
it actually suddenly changes the whole kind of pressure you're under. | 0:20:38 | 0:20:43 | |
It's quite... It's quite weird, actually, | 0:20:43 | 0:20:45 | |
experiencing it for the first time | 0:20:45 | 0:20:47 | |
and trying to fit that into our lives. | 0:20:47 | 0:20:49 | |
Back at the clinic, a decision has been made to proceed with | 0:20:55 | 0:20:58 | |
conventional IVF for Ali and Andrew. | 0:20:58 | 0:21:02 | |
Today, embryologist Steve is carrying out the process. | 0:21:02 | 0:21:06 | |
Four eggs, plus those five, so we've got nine eggs. | 0:21:06 | 0:21:09 | |
We have the sperm prepared in the incubator | 0:21:09 | 0:21:13 | |
and we're going to inseminate a small fraction of that | 0:21:13 | 0:21:17 | |
directly into the eggs and that will give us | 0:21:17 | 0:21:20 | |
a concentration of around about 200,000 sperm per insemination. | 0:21:20 | 0:21:25 | |
And...inseminate around the eggs. | 0:21:30 | 0:21:36 | |
This process involves the mixing of sperm and eggs in a Petri dish. | 0:21:36 | 0:21:40 | |
Hopefully, the strongest sperm will enter an egg | 0:21:40 | 0:21:44 | |
and fertilisation will occur. | 0:21:44 | 0:21:46 | |
So that's the egg and the sperm... | 0:21:46 | 0:21:49 | |
..are swimming around the egg there. | 0:21:51 | 0:21:54 | |
All nine of Ali's eggs are treated in this way | 0:21:57 | 0:21:59 | |
before being left to incubate. | 0:21:59 | 0:22:02 | |
So we'll leave those to incubate overnight | 0:22:03 | 0:22:05 | |
and then we'll check them for fertilisation in the morning. | 0:22:05 | 0:22:10 | |
The following morning, Ali and Andrew are anxiously awaiting | 0:22:16 | 0:22:20 | |
news from the clinic of how many eggs have fertilised. | 0:22:20 | 0:22:24 | |
PHONE RINGS | 0:22:24 | 0:22:26 | |
Hello? | 0:22:26 | 0:22:27 | |
Yes, yes. | 0:22:28 | 0:22:29 | |
Hi, there. | 0:22:31 | 0:22:32 | |
OK, that's great. That's a big relief. | 0:22:37 | 0:22:39 | |
OK, that's great. Thank you very much. Bye. | 0:22:39 | 0:22:42 | |
All nine fertilised. | 0:22:44 | 0:22:46 | |
HE CHUCKLES | 0:22:47 | 0:22:49 | |
So they'll go back either Thursday or Saturday, definitely not tomorrow. | 0:22:49 | 0:22:54 | |
That's really good news. Oh, my God, I feel sick. | 0:22:54 | 0:22:57 | |
Oh, your wee swimmers were really strong! | 0:22:58 | 0:23:01 | |
HE LAUGHS | 0:23:01 | 0:23:03 | |
Ah! | 0:23:04 | 0:23:06 | |
-Brilliant. -Such a relief. | 0:23:06 | 0:23:08 | |
SHE EXHALES LOUDLY | 0:23:09 | 0:23:12 | |
Oh, bless them, we've got nine little embies. | 0:23:12 | 0:23:14 | |
THEY CHUCKLE | 0:23:16 | 0:23:18 | |
-Yeah, that's good. -At least I'm not for the high jump. | 0:23:18 | 0:23:21 | |
I was concerned if they didn't, | 0:23:21 | 0:23:23 | |
if they didn't get fertilised today, I'd be for the high jump. | 0:23:23 | 0:23:26 | |
I know people who have broken up after ongoing efforts, but... | 0:23:27 | 0:23:32 | |
..thankfully for us, and hopefully for us, | 0:23:34 | 0:23:36 | |
this is it, we're back on track and... | 0:23:36 | 0:23:39 | |
..it's our time. | 0:23:40 | 0:23:42 | |
Again. | 0:23:42 | 0:23:44 | |
Four days have passed | 0:23:48 | 0:23:50 | |
and the moment has finally arrived for Ali and Andrew. | 0:23:50 | 0:23:54 | |
Today, the embryos will be placed back into Ali's uterus. | 0:23:54 | 0:23:58 | |
This is the biggest day of my life to date. | 0:24:00 | 0:24:03 | |
Apart from our wedding day. | 0:24:03 | 0:24:04 | |
THEY CHUCKLE Well. | 0:24:04 | 0:24:07 | |
At least I got to wear a pretty dress that day! | 0:24:07 | 0:24:09 | |
Ali has six embryos which have reached an advanced stage. | 0:24:12 | 0:24:16 | |
Today, she will have two embryos transferred back into her uterus. | 0:24:16 | 0:24:20 | |
The other four will be frozen for use in the future. | 0:24:20 | 0:24:23 | |
We are going to be putting back two blastocysts. | 0:24:25 | 0:24:29 | |
They've got to blastocyst stage, | 0:24:29 | 0:24:31 | |
which means that the embryos are dividing well. | 0:24:31 | 0:24:33 | |
Before the procedure begins, Ali is shown one of the embryos in the lab. | 0:24:37 | 0:24:42 | |
-Now that will develop into the baby. -OK. | 0:24:43 | 0:24:48 | |
That's a lovely grade. | 0:24:48 | 0:24:50 | |
So when that develops into the baby, does this go away, the outer bit? | 0:24:50 | 0:24:54 | |
Well, these are all cell lines, | 0:24:54 | 0:24:56 | |
-so that they'll all proliferate and go their own separate way. -OK. | 0:24:56 | 0:25:00 | |
-All right? -Yeah. -I'll get those ready for you. | 0:25:00 | 0:25:03 | |
I had no idea what they did. | 0:25:03 | 0:25:05 | |
This painless procedure involves | 0:25:11 | 0:25:13 | |
placing the embryos into a catheter for transfer into Ali's uterus. | 0:25:13 | 0:25:18 | |
The catheter is then checked to ensure the transfer is complete. | 0:25:23 | 0:25:27 | |
They're fine. | 0:25:32 | 0:25:34 | |
OK. That's that over, then. | 0:25:34 | 0:25:35 | |
'She's had a strong group of embryos from the beginning | 0:25:35 | 0:25:38 | |
'and she's got more than average number of blastocysts | 0:25:38 | 0:25:42 | |
'from that group of embryos,' | 0:25:42 | 0:25:44 | |
so, you know, I'm very hopeful. | 0:25:44 | 0:25:47 | |
This is the late-stage embryo, | 0:25:50 | 0:25:52 | |
so implantation, if it's going to occur, | 0:25:52 | 0:25:55 | |
is going to occur in the next 24 to 48 hours, right? | 0:25:55 | 0:25:59 | |
If that does, your chances of getting pregnant are very good, | 0:25:59 | 0:26:04 | |
because we've selected the embryos which are able to get that far. | 0:26:04 | 0:26:10 | |
-OK, thank you very much. -All right. So all the best, all the best. | 0:26:10 | 0:26:13 | |
-Thank you. -Thanks, Steve. -Take care. -Thank you. | 0:26:13 | 0:26:16 | |
It's as good as it could be, so I think... | 0:26:18 | 0:26:21 | |
I think we're in as good a position as we can be and... | 0:26:23 | 0:26:26 | |
..the next 48 hours are restful. | 0:26:28 | 0:26:32 | |
From what he said, that's just about as good as it gets, yeah. | 0:26:32 | 0:26:36 | |
Emma and Ben are no longer trying for a baby. | 0:26:48 | 0:26:51 | |
Since we spoke last, Ben and I aren't together any more, | 0:26:52 | 0:26:57 | |
so obviously that means we're not trying for a baby any more. | 0:26:57 | 0:27:01 | |
Yeah, so months later, | 0:27:02 | 0:27:04 | |
and I've...sort of stabilised quite a bit | 0:27:04 | 0:27:07 | |
and am mostly thinking about the future, | 0:27:07 | 0:27:10 | |
and trying to make the most of the situation, | 0:27:10 | 0:27:12 | |
not feeling too regretful or anything like that. | 0:27:12 | 0:27:15 | |
If I didn't have children in my life ever, | 0:27:15 | 0:27:18 | |
that would just be the way things were, | 0:27:18 | 0:27:20 | |
but having got close to that, it sort of... | 0:27:20 | 0:27:24 | |
It's very much on my mind, I think, as something that's there, | 0:27:24 | 0:27:27 | |
and I have to... Well, we'll see, we'll see who comes along. | 0:27:27 | 0:27:31 | |
If I find the right kind of person. | 0:27:31 | 0:27:33 | |
Otherwise, we'll just go with what's going, really. | 0:27:33 | 0:27:35 | |
I still want children but I don't want children now, | 0:27:35 | 0:27:39 | |
and I don't think, um... | 0:27:39 | 0:27:42 | |
Yeah, I don't think I'm in the right kind of place mentally, | 0:27:42 | 0:27:45 | |
or in terms of work and everything. | 0:27:45 | 0:27:48 | |
Erm, but, yeah, I would like to look after children, | 0:27:48 | 0:27:51 | |
or have my own children at some point in the future. | 0:27:51 | 0:27:55 | |
Two weeks after her embryo transfer, Ali's pregnancy test was negative. | 0:27:58 | 0:28:04 | |
Unfortunately, we are sitting here today which means | 0:28:04 | 0:28:07 | |
that your treatment didn't work, so... | 0:28:07 | 0:28:09 | |
It is taking time, but they are beginning | 0:28:09 | 0:28:11 | |
to come to terms with the outcome. | 0:28:11 | 0:28:14 | |
'Emotions are back intact as such,' | 0:28:15 | 0:28:19 | |
but it's been a rocky road since it didn't work. | 0:28:19 | 0:28:24 | |
In that moment, and at that time, it's a loss. It's grief. | 0:28:26 | 0:28:32 | |
It's traumatic. Very, very traumatic. | 0:28:32 | 0:28:35 | |
'Because we found ourselves in the situation where' | 0:28:37 | 0:28:40 | |
we had the bonus of extra embryos that we didn't expect to have, | 0:28:40 | 0:28:44 | |
that's given us an opportunity to have another go, | 0:28:44 | 0:28:48 | |
in the springtime, I think. | 0:28:48 | 0:28:50 | |
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