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'At the beginning of my career I wanted to live in a big house

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'and I didn't have the money.'

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Seeing a child at every window, waving.

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That was one of my dreams.

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But this is kind of...

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It's been brilliant.

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Wa-a-a-ah!

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For over 40 years, Billy Connolly has been the wild man of comedy.

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I don't think I'm old. I don't feel old.

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But I've noticed certain distinctive changes coming over me recently.

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I tend to make a noise when I bend down.

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I don't know how long I've been doing this,

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but I caught myself the other day going,

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"A-a-agh, Jesus...!"

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LAUGHTER

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And his award winning performances on the big screen

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have made him an international star.

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Oh, good girl!

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Born in 1942,

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Billy has five children

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and two grandchildren.

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I'm 71,

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so I'm a lot closer to death than I am to birth!

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'So I'd like to know where I come from.

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'I'd like my children to know.

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'I know so pitifully little.'

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Well done.

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The best-case scenario,

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it would be to find someone I'm descended from

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who impressed me by their wildness.

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Psh-h-h!

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Whose behaviour I thoroughly approved of!

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Just someone I can say,

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"That's the one. That's where my DNA came from."

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These are my sister and I.

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I like that picture. It's so Glasgow.

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It's a real tenement picture.

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I'm very proud of it.

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And I'm proud of that place, Anderston.

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"Ah, Billy, you're an Anderston boy," they say.

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It's a great area, you know, it's one of the oldest areas in Glasgow.

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And it's traditionally kind of poor and working class.

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You can see by my wee face how happy I was there.

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Well, this is my parents' wedding.

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Well, my mother, I remember very, very little about her.

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She left when I was four.

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But I remember her being around, laughing and stuff.

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And people think I should be angry because she left,

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and I'm not in the least bit.

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She was 19 and she met a guy who...

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And she fell in love with him,

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and I didn't see her again till I was in my 20s.

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I don't blame her at all, not for a second.

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Now, this picture is one of my favourite people in the world.

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This is my granny, Florence McGowan,

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and she was my mother's mother.

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And I was deeply fond of her,

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because when my mother was gone, she stepped right into the place.

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And when she visited us it was like the sun coming over the mountain.

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She was just... she was always a joy to see.

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She always had chocolate and stuff like that.

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I would like to find more about the background of

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that whole side of my family,

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my mother's side of the family.

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I think they were Irish immigrants,

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but I know so very, very little.

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Billy is starting his search on his maternal side

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by using his grandmother Florence's birth certificate.

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So that's Flora that you've talked about.

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Yes, that's her. My granny.

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Born in 1902.

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Patrick McGowan's her father.

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That must be Mary McGowan nee Doyle,

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my granny's mother.

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Go.

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Florence McGowan.

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By searching census records,

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Billy can find out where Florence's parents were from.

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Do the search.

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Cara is much more literate on the computator than I am.

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-Oh, look, there we go.

-Ooh.

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Well, it's the actual census.

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-I could have done this.

-I know.

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-Does that say McGowan?

-It does.

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-Florence...

-Age eight. Oh, look!

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What does that say?

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Daft Street! CARA LAUGHS

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She lives in 40 Daft Street.

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Just off Crazy Avenue!

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-Or is it Oak Street?

-Mm-hm.

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-That's the parents.

-Yep.

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Patrick McGowan was her father. Mary McGowan, mother.

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Birthplace, Lanark, both of them.

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-So they're both from Lanark. East of Glasgow.

-Yeah.

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I thought they were Irish immigrants.

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Well, maybe their parents were, I don't know.

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Well, why don't we go to the 1901, that's the last census before that?

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OK.

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Patrick McGowan, Mary...

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Mary...

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-What does that say?

-Ireland.

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Why would it suddenly say Ireland?

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Why on earth doesn't that match?

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Why would they say Ireland in one place

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and Lanarkshire in another?

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-Quite baffling really, isn't it?

-Mm-hm.

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Billy's always believed that his mother's side of the family

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was from Ireland.

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But the records for his great-grandmother,

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Mary Doyle, show conflicting information.

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Was she from Ireland or Scotland?

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Mary lived in Glasgow, Billy's home town.

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So he's come here to find out more.

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I need a wee picture with you, sir, please.

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-Thank you.

-Gotcha.

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Great to see you back in Glasgow, Billy. What do you think tonight?

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-Can Celtic do it against Barcelona?

-Oh, they're going to hammer them!

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All the best. Billy Connolly live here.

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Ahh!

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There's the big man. How you doing, sir?

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-No bother at all.

-How's tricks?

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It's not like this all the time.

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He said waving to passers-by!

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I don't mind being noticed at all.

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It's a lot better than being booed, I can assure you.

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I've experienced both.

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Well, Kirsty, my granny's mother, Mary Doyle,

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why would it say she came from Glasgow,

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when she comes from Ireland?

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She couldn't have been born in both places.

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Could you help me with this?

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I have searched the records in Scotland and in Ireland

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and also in England, and I couldn't find a record of Mary Doyle's birth.

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But I was able to find a document that I think will help

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-to explain things a little.

-Yeah.

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This is actually a record of Mary's baptism.

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-See here is...

-Bangalore?

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-That's right, yes.

-God!

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BILLY LAUGHS

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-In India?

-That's right, yeah.

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BILLY LAUGHS

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This is... How did she...?

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From Ireland to Bangalore!

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My God! I'm completely flummoxed.

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BILLY LAUGHS Bangalore!

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So Daniel and Margaret are the parents.

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Doyle.

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What's this? "Rank of father. Gunner."

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-Oh, her father was in the Army!

-That's right, yeah.

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"Gunner. Royal Horse Artillery."

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That just takes my breath away. He wasn't half in the Army,

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the Royal Horse Artillery, that's quite fancy.

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My God!

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That's the last thing on earth I expected.

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Cos I was always led to believe they were Irish immigrants.

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I always imagined they were poor Irish immigrants.

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I didn't realise they'd be gunners in the Royal Horse Artillery

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in Bangalore.

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Well, we do know that in 1872, a year after Mary Doyle was born,

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her father was stationed at Hill Station

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in Wellington in south India.

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So perhaps find out a little bit more.

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Is there a Wellington in India?

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There is, yes.

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Well, I think we should get there post haste.

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I'm absolutely amazed.

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The Royal Horse Artillery.

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It's the last thing on earth I expected.

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Cos they're quite an outfit, you know?

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They're the ones you see at Earls Court doing...

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They do, er, swinging on ropes, putting guns together

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and attaching it all back to the horse,

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it's all tassels and braid and...

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Well, I'm really curious because the Horse Artillery would have status,

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and being in India they would have had status as colonialists.

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So I want to know about Daniel's very British life

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in the middle of India.

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Following in the footsteps of his great-great-grandfather,

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Daniel Doyle,

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Billy is travelling 6,000 miles to Wellington in southern India.

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It's a small garrison town high up in the Nilgiris hills.

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I've been to India several times. I like the people.

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It's a lovely feeling being back in India again.

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Oh, there's a monkey. There's monkeys all over the place.

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Monkeys give me the willies!

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This is extraordinary tea country.

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Just lush and green.

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Kind of Scottish, really.

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People drive here like nowhere else on earth.

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This is a great example of the driving!

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They'll do a blind corner without even thinking about it.

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Overtake. Beep-beep!

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The horn saves you from everything.

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HORN BEEPS

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I've never seen a crash here,

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although I've seen some hairy driving.

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I'm thinking about my granny's grandfather,

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Daniel Doyle.

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For Daniel to come here and live,

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it must have been like coming to the dark side of the moon.

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It must have been completely foreign to him.

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We can but wonder.

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When Daniel Doyle came to India in the mid-19th century,

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vast areas of the subcontinent were governed on behalf of the

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British Crown by the East India Company.

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For over 200 years the company had been making treaties

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to gain land and power from its Indian rulers,

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and had profited from trade and taxation.

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To maintain control over these lucrative territories,

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the Crown used the British Army as well as private armies

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created by the East India Company.

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SOLDIERS AND OFFICERS YELL

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Across the country, the company had a quarter of a million

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Indian soldiers serving alongside British troops.

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Left, right, left! Left, right...!

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Billy has come to the barracks where Daniel Doyle was first stationed

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with the British Army in the 1850s.

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I've gone quite tingly.

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Daniel Doyle, it's kind of weird walking in his footsteps.

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There's a definite spookiness.

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Not sort of, "Whoo-oo-oo, ghostie," just,

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you feel like they're invisible,

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just standing taking note of you.

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But it's a beautiful barracks as barracks go,

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cos normally I'm used to the British idea of barracks

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which is grey,

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that sort of Aldershot beigey grey.

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Sounds like a soul singer, doesn't it, Beigey Grey!

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But it's really quite colourful.

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DISTANT SHOUTING OF COMMANDS

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I like that.

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The British usually accompany that order with a little scream.

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They go, "Du-uh, ha!"

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BILLY CHUCKLES

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To find out about Daniel's life as a soldier,

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Billy is meeting historian Dr Rosie Llewellyn-Jones.

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Yes, you see, canons here. I think...

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They've come to the Wellington Gymkhana Club.

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Popular with the military,

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it dates back to the days of the British Empire.

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I have his military record here.

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Oh, great!

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Hollywood.

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-Ireland.

-Oh, yeah.

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So there's the Irish connection.

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He's a labourer from the County of Wicklow.

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Was this when he joined?

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Yes, that's right. In September 1856.

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"Daniel Doyle, aged 18 years.

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"Complexion sallow.

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"Eyes blue. Hair brown."

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And you can see, he was quite a tall lad, actually.

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-Yeah, 5'11½", must have been a tall guy.

-Yes.

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And he went into the 3rd Battalion 60th Rifles,

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and this got him out to India.

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For Daniel it was a chance for adventure in an exotic country.

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-Attractive possibilities.

-Very attractive, yes.

-Mm.

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And we've got a couple of pictures of what it actually looked like.

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Oh, it looks the same as I was there this morning.

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-It's good, isn't it?

-Oh, it's fantastic.

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Daniel might have thought he was coming out to fight

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and life would be very lively and everything.

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He came out at an interesting time in the middle of

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the Great Rebellion, the Great Uprising of 1857.

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-That was going on in the north of India.

-Yes.

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But because he was in the south he didn't see any fighting.

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In 1857, the tide was turning against the British

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in the north of the country.

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There was growing resentment among the Indian soldiers serving with

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the East India Company about the spread of Western culture

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and Christianity, which threatened their traditions and religion.

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Thousands of these formerly loyal Indian soldiers

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were now taking up arms against their colonial masters.

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To try to quash the rebellion, more troops were sent north.

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But the British still needed soldiers like Daniel Doyle

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to maintain a strong military presence in the south.

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We can see that he volunteers for the Royal Artillery as a gunner

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and he spends three years there and then moves up to the

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-Royal Horse Artillery, which is really prestigious.

-Oh, yeah.

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Oh, that's great.

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So he must have been a pretty good gunner.

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This is an elite corps, there's no doubt about that.

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That's an extraordinary picture.

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Have a look at this.

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"With regard to the character and conduct,

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"it would appear his conduct has been good

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"and he is in possession of three good conduct badges."

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Hmm.

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-And he's promoted to corporal in 1863.

-Yes.

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So Daniel's done quite well for himself

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with his good conduct medals, eh?

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So he would have been quite happy, I think, here.

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What we have got is a diary account

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by somebody who was actually in the Royal Horse Artillery

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-at the same time.

-Oh, yeah?

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"Get up at five o'clock, roll up the blanket or bed,

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"any drills, parades, stables or fatigues are done by nine.

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"From nine until four in the afternoon

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"we're not allowed to leave the camp.

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"If you could look in here now you would see most of our men asleep.

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"From four to six is set apart for drill.

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"This, I think, concludes a day's work."

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Not a lot of work went on.

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"Everything is such a sameness.

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"Everybody knows everybody and we see each other so often

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"we tire to look at each other."

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Ooh, I can see it coming.

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"Then there is so little variety in our duties

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"that they become quite a bugbear.

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"To bed at nine, up at six, to bed at nine again,

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"thus we drag our miserable existence."

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Miserable existence.

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I thought they were leading a rather jolly life.

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Not really, because you've got to remember

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-there's no fighting going on at the moment.

-Yes, yes.

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So you can see boredom would drive them to all kinds of distractions.

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Oh, indeed, indeed.

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We do have some more information about him.

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"His name appears 16 times in the Regimental Defaulters' Book...

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-"..and he has been held once by court martial."

-Tried.

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-Oh, he's been tried once. That's quite serious.

-Mm.

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What did he do?

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Unfortunately we don't know.

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What's the Defaulters' Book?

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It's sort of like a naughty book if you step...!

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THEY LAUGH

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The naughty step!

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If you step out of line, your name goes down.

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But that could have been for fairly minor things.

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-Yeah, misdemeanour...

-Being drunk, being rude, yes, exactly.

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I can smell alcohol.

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-Oh, can you?

-Yes.

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If you're 16 times in the Defaulters' Book,

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I reckon you're a bit of a drunk.

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So has he been flung out?

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No, not really. He just goes back to being a gunner again,

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but he's lost that, you know, that prestigious job unfortunately.

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Yes. Yeah, well, I don't understand why he's got himself in trouble,

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having gone from private to corporal.

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I mean, his next step was sergeant.

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You would think he would behave himself. Oh, for shame, for shame.

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-I think he'd be good fun by the sound of him.

-Yes.

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And what happened to him after that?

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We find him in Bangalore, in hospital, in 1866.

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-Oh, really?

-Mm.

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I wonder what he went to hospital for,

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that's what I would like to know.

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I think when Daniel was in India,

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he's obviously lying around here bored stiff.

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16 times in the... in the Defaulters' Book!

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BILLY LAUGHS

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He's a bit like me. I'm sure I would have been in the Defaulters' Book.

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Find him very colourful. I kind of like him.

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When I heard that he'd been in hospital in Bangalore

0:18:430:18:45

I immediately thought, "He's been in a fight."

0:18:450:18:47

Maybe it's just some act of vandalism

0:18:470:18:49

when he was drunk or something like that.

0:18:490:18:52

I may be completely wrong. He maybe caught some disease.

0:18:520:18:56

There was no... I mean, I don't imagine it was terribly difficult

0:18:560:18:59

to catch a disease then here, for a white guy especially.

0:18:590:19:03

So I really don't know. I haven't a clue.

0:19:030:19:05

I'm desperate to find out.

0:19:050:19:07

It's got my nosy bone going.

0:19:070:19:09

I really want to know what he's been up to,

0:19:090:19:12

why he's in hospital.

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Billy is heading 200 miles north to Bangalore city,

0:19:200:19:25

where his great-great-grandfather was in hospital.

0:19:250:19:28

PEOPLE CHEER

0:19:330:19:35

HORNS BEEP

0:19:400:19:42

If it's a quiet time you're looking for...

0:19:520:19:54

..don't come to Bangalore!

0:19:560:19:58

I never saw so many people in my life.

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All the mopeds and...

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the heart-stopping sight of women in saris sitting side saddle,

0:20:060:20:11

hurtling through the traffic with a baby in their arms.

0:20:110:20:13

It just crossed my mind how it must have looked in 1866.

0:20:150:20:20

Cos there would be no cars. Just be bullock carts.

0:20:200:20:23

I wonder how Daniel got to Bangalore.

0:20:240:20:27

Maybe he just jumped on a horse.

0:20:270:20:29

It's not known which hospital Daniel Doyle was treated in,

0:20:380:20:42

but historian Dr Mridula Ramanna has found his medical records.

0:20:420:20:47

-Here's Daniel Doyle.

-Daniel Doyle.

0:20:470:20:49

Diseases.

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And these are the dates when he was in hospital

0:20:510:20:55

with the years '66 to '69.

0:20:550:20:59

-So he's come back and forth out of... in and out of hospital?

-Yeah.

0:20:590:21:03

Is that diarrhoea there?

0:21:030:21:05

Yes, diarrhoea, dysentery was very common.

0:21:050:21:08

-What does that say?

-This is ebriositis.

0:21:080:21:11

-Ebriositis.

-..sitis. Which is...

-What's that?

0:21:110:21:14

..which is actually alcoholism.

0:21:140:21:18

Oh!

0:21:180:21:20

-Yeah. And you'll see...

-It's a family tradition.

0:21:200:21:23

-Oh! There's, there are two entries for ebriositis.

-Yes.

0:21:230:21:28

-Yeah. What does that one say there?

-Yeah, that is, er,

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enu...enuresis, which is excessive urination

0:21:330:21:38

in the night,

0:21:380:21:40

and that is caused by, again, alcoholism.

0:21:400:21:46

My goodness!

0:21:460:21:47

-He, he...

-So he would be alcoholic and peeing through the night,

0:21:480:21:52

-and having diarrhoea during the day!

-Yeah.

0:21:520:21:54

-His life was quite jolly!

-Yeah.

0:21:540:21:57

-For this ebriositis...

-Yes.

0:21:570:22:00

..Doyle would have been given morphine.

0:22:000:22:03

-For his alcoholism?

-Yeah.

0:22:050:22:07

To sedate him, because he would...

0:22:070:22:09

Sedated by morphine?

0:22:090:22:11

..because he must have been violent.

0:22:110:22:15

-You know, in alcohol...

-Yes.

0:22:150:22:17

-So you know...

-Throwing his weight around.

-Right, yeah, perhaps.

0:22:170:22:20

Is that syphilis?

0:22:230:22:25

Yes. Primary syphilis.

0:22:250:22:27

My God!

0:22:270:22:29

BILLY LAUGHS

0:22:300:22:32

Golly! Oh...

0:22:340:22:37

I didn't see it tucked away there.

0:22:370:22:39

Oh. So he's got syphilis and diarrhoea.

0:22:420:22:45

What a happy young man he is(!)

0:22:450:22:48

And that was pretty common here in the British Army.

0:22:480:22:51

-Was it?

-Yeah.

0:22:510:22:52

Many of these young men,

0:22:520:22:54

their only outlet would be to go to prostitutes.

0:22:540:22:58

So probably that's where he caught it.

0:22:580:23:00

My goodness me!

0:23:020:23:03

The dirty bugger!

0:23:040:23:06

THEY LAUGH

0:23:060:23:08

The British Army saw prostitution as a necessary evil.

0:23:100:23:14

To exert some control, they procured prostitutes for their regiments.

0:23:150:23:20

Around 20 prostitutes were expected to provide sexual services

0:23:210:23:26

for up to a thousand soldiers.

0:23:260:23:27

Typically, the prostitutes were poor local women,

0:23:290:23:33

used exclusively by the troops.

0:23:330:23:35

But by the 1860s, as many as one in three soldiers,

0:23:370:23:40

like Daniel Doyle, had a sexually transmitted disease.

0:23:400:23:44

Syphilis was called the scourge of the British Army.

0:23:450:23:49

The British Medical Journal has a number of articles on how

0:23:500:23:53

they performed health inspection of the regiments.

0:23:530:23:58

With primary syphilis the symptoms are genital sores.

0:23:580:24:02

"In some regiments the men are marched in a body to the hospital.

0:24:020:24:06

"In some cases they stand in their ordinary fatigue dress,

0:24:060:24:09

"each man unbuttoning the front of his trousers

0:24:090:24:12

"and parading the genitals for the inspecting surgeon.

0:24:120:24:15

"This operation generally giving rise to suppressed manifestations of

0:24:150:24:19

"mirth, shame or indignation, but at all times,

0:24:190:24:22

"to say the least of it, humiliating and disgusting to the surgeon."

0:24:220:24:26

Oh, but of course.

0:24:260:24:27

"Sometimes the soldiers are partially or even entirely

0:24:270:24:30

"undressed or with shirt on only, the front tail of which is lifted..."

0:24:300:24:34

THEY LAUGH

0:24:340:24:36

"..as the surgeon passes down the line!"

0:24:360:24:39

Oh, it's a peculiar salute he's getting there!

0:24:390:24:42

Oh, God, when you think of how they behaved in those days.

0:24:430:24:47

It was a matter of grave concern to them, so that's why...

0:24:470:24:51

I'm sure it was, yes.

0:24:510:24:53

-And they were very keen on containing it.

-Yes.

0:24:530:24:58

But it was invariably the argument that it was the woman to blame.

0:24:580:25:03

-Yes. Of course it was.

-So it would be...

0:25:030:25:06

If the women were found diseased,

0:25:060:25:09

they would be sent to lock hospitals.

0:25:090:25:12

Locked up as if they were in jail?

0:25:120:25:14

Yeah. The idea to lock up the woman

0:25:140:25:18

for a period of maybe three months.

0:25:180:25:22

In an attempt to control the spread of syphilis,

0:25:220:25:24

the Army forced the prostitutes into lock hospitals

0:25:240:25:28

to undergo examination and quarantine.

0:25:280:25:32

When they were declared clean, they would be released

0:25:320:25:36

and made available to the soldiers again.

0:25:360:25:39

My goodness!

0:25:390:25:40

-All of this was conducted by men, all these examinations?

-Yeah.

0:25:400:25:43

And would that be going on when Daniel was around?

0:25:430:25:47

-The lock hospitals were in operation.

-Yes.

0:25:470:25:50

But just after this,

0:25:510:25:54

he got married.

0:25:540:25:56

-Oh, really?

-Yeah.

0:25:560:25:58

Here is his certificate.

0:25:580:26:00

"15th June, 1869,

0:26:020:26:06

"Daniel Doyle to Margaret O'Brien."

0:26:060:26:08

-Well, the syphilis didn't stop him getting married.

-No.

0:26:110:26:14

-Oh, I'm glad to hear it.

-Yeah.

0:26:140:26:16

By 1873, you'll see that he was "regular, good and temperate."

0:26:160:26:22

"Regular, good and temperate."

0:26:220:26:24

Probably the marriage to Margaret O'Brien sobered him.

0:26:240:26:28

He must have got over both the syphilis and the alcoholism.

0:26:280:26:32

To become a good father and husband.

0:26:320:26:34

-Yeah.

-He saw the light,

0:26:340:26:36

and married the beautiful Margaret.

0:26:360:26:38

Margaret O'Brien.

0:26:380:26:39

THEY LAUGH

0:26:390:26:42

And does it end there?

0:26:420:26:44

Yes. He went back to Britain, '78.

0:26:440:26:48

Discharged from the Army.

0:26:480:26:50

-20 years in India.

-Mm.

0:26:500:26:53

Well, there we have it.

0:26:530:26:54

My syphilitic great-great-grandfather.

0:26:560:27:00

Well, thank you very much indeed.

0:27:000:27:02

Nice meeting you.

0:27:020:27:03

Oh, the pleasure's mine, I can assure you.

0:27:030:27:05

I think he was doing what lots and lots of guys were doing.

0:27:080:27:12

Getting drunk and getting laid.

0:27:120:27:14

But you don't usually see that about your great-great-grandparents.

0:27:140:27:18

They're usually all stiff and getting their picture taken.

0:27:180:27:22

But he was a real Jack-the-lad.

0:27:220:27:23

It's astonishing, once he meets Margaret he's...

0:27:250:27:28

he cleans up his act completely.

0:27:280:27:30

Either she was immensely strong or he was very strong willed.

0:27:300:27:34

The more I read about him, the more I like him.

0:27:340:27:36

He's a vulnerable guy from Ireland who's taken a little drink

0:27:360:27:40

and got in a little mess here.

0:27:400:27:42

I thought he would be fighting but there you go, I was quite close.

0:27:430:27:48

I would like to see what happens next to him.

0:27:480:27:51

I think it would be difficult for him

0:27:510:27:53

to adjust to living in the UK after living in India.

0:27:530:27:56

Freedom's quite frightening if you're not used to it.

0:27:560:27:59

-Hello, Billy.

-Hello, Gillian.

0:28:050:28:06

How lovely to see you.

0:28:060:28:08

Billy has asked researcher Gillian Wright to look for

0:28:090:28:12

records about Daniel Doyle's life back in Britain.

0:28:120:28:15

Well, I think we're in luck because we have some information.

0:28:160:28:20

Great.

0:28:200:28:22

And, er, this is actually from Scotland.

0:28:220:28:25

-Oh. So they moved to Scotland?

-Yes.

0:28:250:28:27

"Application For Relief."

0:28:280:28:31

No, I don't understand it.

0:28:310:28:33

Are they applying to the Government for relief or the Church?

0:28:330:28:35

-Yeah, they're applying to the, to the parish.

-Oh, the parish, yeah.

0:28:350:28:39

-And it's poor relief.

-Oh!

0:28:390:28:41

Which means they are very desperate.

0:28:410:28:44

My God.

0:28:440:28:45

I'm sad.

0:28:470:28:48

-I wanted him to do better than that.

-Yeah.

0:28:530:28:56

And then we know that he'd had a stroke

0:28:570:29:01

and he died in 1902.

0:29:010:29:04

BILLY SIGHS

0:29:050:29:07

What a shame.

0:29:070:29:08

It's a terrible tragic end to his life.

0:29:100:29:13

-After this period, it's his wife who's applying for assistance.

-Yes.

0:29:150:29:20

She's the widow of Daniel Doyle, this is Margaret,

0:29:200:29:23

and on the 28th of July, 1903, she's committed to the poorhouse.

0:29:230:29:28

-She's complaining of weak vision.

-She is, yeah.

0:29:280:29:31

-God, life isn't easy for our Margaret, is it?

-Not at all.

0:29:310:29:34

And then we get the final entry on the 18th September 1905 when,

0:29:370:29:43

again, she applies for relief.

0:29:430:29:45

Her life has changed radically, too. She must have been deeply depressed.

0:29:470:29:52

I mean, when she married a dashing young man...

0:29:520:29:55

She married a dashing young drunk with a history of syphilis.

0:29:550:29:59

THEY LAUGH

0:29:590:30:02

-Well, I doubt if she was aware of that.

-Yeah.

0:30:020:30:05

Erm...I'm depressed about the whole affair.

0:30:060:30:09

This...this severe slope downwards.

0:30:110:30:14

But that's the last application. After that, she never applies again.

0:30:140:30:20

So perhaps then her family take responsibility for her.

0:30:200:30:24

-But we don't know.

-Yeah.

-So that's where her story ends here.

0:30:240:30:28

But there is, on the first page of this document,

0:30:280:30:32

something which tells us about where she began.

0:30:320:30:35

-Oh, really?

-Yeah. Because they not only show the children,

0:30:360:30:39

they show the parentage, so that may interest you.

0:30:390:30:43

"Wife - Margaret O'Brien, born in East India.

0:30:450:30:49

"Daughter of John O'Brien and Matilda Allan, both dead."

0:30:500:30:54

-They're her parents. So I have a record.

-You do?

-I do.

0:30:560:31:01

-Of...of her father?

-Of her father and for her journey in life.

0:31:010:31:06

Oh, great.

0:31:060:31:08

-Registry of Baptisms in the year 1852.

-Yeah.

0:31:080:31:12

-And if you look for Margaret...

-This here?

-Yes, there she is.

0:31:130:31:17

"Parents' names - John and Matilda O'Brien.

0:31:190:31:22

"Rank or occupation of the father - bullock driver."

0:31:230:31:27

No, unfortunately, that would have been really fun.

0:31:270:31:30

That's the next one down.

0:31:300:31:32

Oh! THEY LAUGH

0:31:320:31:34

-"Private."

-He was a private in the 1st M,

0:31:340:31:38

-which is the 1st Madras Fusiliers.

-Really?

-Yeah.

0:31:380:31:42

And Madras Fusiliers had been sent up north to quash the rebellion,

0:31:420:31:47

the Indian Mutiny, as they called it, the Great Rebellion.

0:31:470:31:50

That started that year.

0:31:500:31:52

-So, her father was a private in the Madras Regiment?

-Yes.

0:31:520:31:56

-He would definitely be up fighting in the mutiny?

-Yeah.

-Oh, my God.

0:31:560:32:02

Billy has discovered his connection to India

0:32:060:32:08

goes back another generation.

0:32:080:32:10

While Daniel Doyle was stationed in the south

0:32:120:32:14

during the Great Rebellion,

0:32:140:32:16

his father-in-law, John O'Brien, was sent to the heart of the uprising.

0:32:160:32:21

You know, I didn't know I had anybody involved

0:32:210:32:23

in the Indian Mutiny, the Indian Rebellion, you know.

0:32:230:32:26

And he was actually in action.

0:32:260:32:28

And I would... I would suspect that Daniel

0:32:280:32:32

would be a wee bit in awe of him.

0:32:320:32:34

Billy is heading north to Cawnpore, where John O'Brien

0:32:360:32:40

and his regiment, the 1st Madras Fusiliers,

0:32:400:32:43

were sent in June 1857 at the height of the rebellion.

0:32:430:32:47

'Must have been a horrendous, hairy affair.

0:32:490:32:52

'Shooting and killing and smoke and flame everywhere.

0:32:520:32:55

'Was he brave? Did he run away?'

0:32:550:32:58

The rebellion was turning into a bloodbath.

0:33:010:33:04

Atrocities were taking place on both sides.

0:33:040:33:08

British officers and their families

0:33:080:33:11

had been murdered by the Indian rebels.

0:33:110:33:13

Retaliation by the British was swift and brutal.

0:33:140:33:18

Some rebels were strapped to canons and blown apart.

0:33:180:33:22

And many soldiers were ordered to shoot Indians indiscriminately

0:33:240:33:28

and burn their villages to the ground.

0:33:280:33:30

The British had lost control in major cities.

0:33:330:33:36

Now, the garrison cities of Lucknow and Cawnpore were also under attack.

0:33:370:33:42

To find out what happened to John O'Brien,

0:33:470:33:50

Billy is meeting military historian Rana Chhinna.

0:33:500:33:52

The uprising spread like wildfire.

0:33:540:33:56

It was called the Devil's Wind.

0:33:560:33:59

And the force of which John was a part

0:33:590:34:01

were desperate to reach Cawnpore

0:34:010:34:05

because they were aware that massacres had been taking place...

0:34:050:34:08

-Really?

-Yeah.

0:34:080:34:10

In Cawnpore, 350 British men had already been killed by the rebels

0:34:120:34:18

but 200 women and children were still being held captive.

0:34:180:34:22

Their lives depended on John and the relief force

0:34:240:34:27

arriving before they suffered the same fate.

0:34:270:34:30

John's regiment marched over 100 miles,

0:34:320:34:35

facing fierce resistance, as they battled to reach Cawnpore.

0:34:350:34:39

And this was at the peak of summer,

0:34:400:34:43

-and they were all in their woollen redcoats.

-Of course they were.

0:34:430:34:46

John would have seen his comrades dying of heat exhaustion,

0:34:460:34:50

-heat stroke, dysentery, cholera...

-Oh, my God!

0:34:500:34:54

The relieving force, of which John was a part,

0:34:570:35:00

reached here just two days too late.

0:35:000:35:02

-Just two days too late?

-Yes. The women and children were killed.

0:35:020:35:06

They were dragged out and thrown into the well.

0:35:060:35:10

And this is that well.

0:35:100:35:12

Just two days before John and the relief force arrived,

0:35:130:35:17

the women and children had been butchered,

0:35:170:35:20

dismembered and piled into the well.

0:35:200:35:23

Oh, my God.

0:35:230:35:25

I'm just trying to imagine my old great-great-great-grandfather

0:35:280:35:31

arriving here to see this well and this nightmarish scene.

0:35:310:35:35

Yes. If they looked into the well, they could actually...

0:35:350:35:38

-Yeah.

-..see the remains.

0:35:380:35:40

It would have a profound effect on them all, never mind John,

0:35:400:35:43

-to be confronted with this when they arrived.

-Yes.

0:35:430:35:46

Which would be done on purpose, of course.

0:35:460:35:49

It's a great military manoeuvre

0:35:490:35:51

to confront the approaching troops with something nightmarish.

0:35:510:35:55

And there's another thing. If you notice the bats, fruit bats?

0:35:550:35:59

-Yes. Yeah.

-You know what the locals believe?

0:35:590:36:02

They believe the bats are here

0:36:020:36:04

because this is a place of tortured souls.

0:36:040:36:07

-Really?

-Yeah.

-Well, that's creepy!

0:36:070:36:10

It's such a delightful place,

0:36:110:36:13

it's hard to believe that such a horrible thing happened here.

0:36:130:36:17

We also have to remember that when John O'Brien got here,

0:36:170:36:21

just days after that, he became a father for the second time.

0:36:210:36:25

-And Margaret, his first daughter, was five years old.

-Yeah.

0:36:250:36:29

So, to see these young children having been butchered...

0:36:290:36:34

It would mean a great deal to him.

0:36:340:36:36

-Yeah, would have had a great impact on him.

-Mm.

0:36:360:36:39

Yeah. For John and his comrades, "Remember Cawnpore"

0:36:390:36:42

-became the rallying cry for them.

-Really?

-Yeah.

0:36:420:36:44

John's commanding officer, Colonel Neill,

0:36:470:36:49

ordered immediate punishment of those suspected

0:36:490:36:52

of taking part in the massacre.

0:36:520:36:55

"Each miscreant, after sentence of death is pronounced upon him,

0:36:560:36:59

"will be taken down to the house and questioned under a guard

0:36:590:37:03

"and will be forced into cleaning up a small portion of the blood-stains;

0:37:030:37:08

"the task will be made as revolting to his feelings as possible...

0:37:080:37:12

"After properly cleaning up his portion,

0:37:120:37:15

"the culprit is to be immediately hanged

0:37:150:37:18

"and for this purpose a gallows will be erected close at hand."

0:37:180:37:22

Oh, my God!

0:37:220:37:24

The suspects were forced to clean up

0:37:240:37:27

the victims' blood with their tongues.

0:37:270:37:30

As further humiliation,

0:37:300:37:32

and in violation of their religious beliefs,

0:37:320:37:35

Muslims were forced to eat pork

0:37:350:37:37

and Hindus to eat beef before being hanged.

0:37:370:37:41

He was not concerned whether they were guilty or innocent.

0:37:430:37:46

It didn't matter to him.

0:37:460:37:48

-So, he... John would be part of this?

-Yes. Very much so.

0:37:480:37:52

-Enforcing this?

-Yes.

-Oh, dear.

0:37:520:37:55

John O'Brien would have been part of that, yeah.

0:37:570:38:00

One of the officers said,

0:38:000:38:02

"Every day the trees are ripe with the fruits of rebellion,"

0:38:020:38:06

and he was talking about the corpses that were strung up.

0:38:060:38:08

-Yes, hanging.

-Yeah.

0:38:080:38:10

-My God! Neill, guy's a sadist, isn't he?

-He was very brutal.

0:38:110:38:17

-I don't know what to think about that.

-Yeah.

0:38:190:38:22

-We didn't get this history at school.

-No. No.

0:38:220:38:26

The way I see it, my great-great-great-grandfather

0:38:280:38:32

was a very nice man who was lorded over by Mr Neill.

0:38:320:38:37

He probably just was a private, doing what he was told.

0:38:370:38:39

Private soldiers have to do exactly what they were told to do.

0:38:390:38:43

With the horrors of Cawnpore fresh in their minds,

0:38:440:38:48

John and the relief force were ordered to march 50 miles

0:38:480:38:51

to Lucknow, where a massacre on an even greater scale was threatened.

0:38:510:38:56

2,000 British soldiers and civilians

0:38:580:39:01

had sought refuge in the British headquarters called the Residency.

0:39:010:39:05

Surrounded by rebels, and under constant attack,

0:39:060:39:09

they were desperate to be rescued.

0:39:090:39:12

With thousands of civilians now supporting the rebel soldiers,

0:39:150:39:18

the relief force suffered heavy losses in the battle

0:39:180:39:23

to break through enemy lines and reach the Residency.

0:39:230:39:26

This was the main gate

0:39:290:39:31

-and this was the gate that John would have come through.

-Yes.

0:39:310:39:34

And, of course, he would have fought his way to here.

0:39:340:39:37

They were fighting every inch of the way.

0:39:370:39:39

God, it's remarkable to think I'm walking up the same road

0:39:390:39:42

as my great-great-great-grandfather walked up.

0:39:420:39:45

When John and his relief force finally arrived in late September,

0:39:450:39:50

the Siege of Lucknow had been raging for three months.

0:39:500:39:54

This was a proper battle ground of...

0:39:540:39:57

You can see where that one's been hit with heavy artillery,

0:39:570:39:59

-just up at the top there.

-That's right.

0:39:590:40:02

-24 hours a day under fire.

-Yes.

0:40:020:40:05

There is a contemporary print.

0:40:070:40:10

Oh, yes. That's great.

0:40:120:40:14

-I'm just trying to imagine, with the cheering.

-Yes.

0:40:160:40:19

There's an account.

0:40:190:40:21

-A Lady's Diary Of The Siege Of Lucknow.

-Yeah. The extract.

0:40:210:40:25

"Yesterday evening, on the 88th day of the siege,

0:40:250:40:28

"our long-looked for and so often despaired of 'relief' arrived.

0:40:280:40:33

"Never shall I forget the moment to the latest day I live.

0:40:330:40:38

"The big, rough-bearded soldiers were seizing the little children

0:40:380:40:41

"out of our arms, kissing them with tears rolling down their cheeks,

0:40:410:40:45

"and thanking God they had come in time

0:40:450:40:48

"to save them from the fate of those at Cawnpore."

0:40:480:40:51

God, that must have been a party!

0:40:510:40:53

That's wonderful.

0:40:540:40:56

So, did any fighting continue in here?

0:40:580:41:00

Yes. You see, you have to remember the numbers were so few

0:41:000:41:04

and they were surrounded by a force of 8,000 to 10,000 men.

0:41:040:41:09

-Really?

-There was no way that they could actually battle their way out.

0:41:090:41:13

-Couldn't get out.

-Couldn't get out.

0:41:130:41:15

And they would be a weight on the food and all that, and the resources.

0:41:150:41:19

Yes. Yes, cos you know, they had marched in as...

0:41:190:41:21

-The great saviours.

-..the great saviours.

0:41:210:41:24

And then the relievers became part of the besieged.

0:41:240:41:27

God! It's never ending.

0:41:290:41:33

We have an account by one of the officers of the Madras Fusiliers.

0:41:330:41:37

"Instead of affording any great relief to this unfortunate

0:41:390:41:42

"garrison of Lucknow, I am writing one week after our entrance.

0:41:420:41:45

"We are almost as badly off as the garrison

0:41:450:41:48

"and with few supplies left - daily fighting, daily loss.

0:41:480:41:52

"But such a scene of filth mixed up with costly things,

0:41:520:41:55

"it's impossible to imagine.

0:41:550:41:57

"The finest china used by soldiers of the force,

0:41:570:42:00

"all this mixed up with dead bodies until the stench is so great

0:42:000:42:04

"we can hardly sit - and no-one to remove all this filth.

0:42:040:42:07

"Our force is so small, nothing more can really be done."

0:42:070:42:11

-Oh, my God!

-Conditions were growing...

0:42:110:42:14

-Worse and worse.

-..worse and worse.

0:42:140:42:16

And these are events that John O'Brien was definitely

0:42:160:42:20

-a part of and would have seen first-hand.

-Yes.

0:42:200:42:22

With rebels pounding the Residency with artillery fire,

0:42:260:42:30

casualties inside were mounting daily.

0:42:300:42:33

The banqueting hall was turned into a hospital.

0:42:340:42:37

As a matter of fact, we know John O'Brien was wounded.

0:42:380:42:44

If you look at that, it says, "O'Brien, John..."

0:42:440:42:48

"Severe gunshot." Does that say wound?

0:42:490:42:52

-Yeah, wound...

-Yes, left shoulder.

-..of left shoulder.

0:42:520:42:55

And now, in those days without anaesthetic,

0:42:550:42:58

-you can imagine what he must have gone through.

-Yes.

0:42:580:43:01

My God!

0:43:030:43:05

People dying all around him, would have been blood everywhere.

0:43:050:43:09

Must have thought his chances were pretty small of getting out of here.

0:43:090:43:12

And hundreds of people in here.

0:43:120:43:14

It must have been an extraordinarily place.

0:43:140:43:17

This place would have seen a lot of suffering.

0:43:190:43:21

Must have been unimaginable torture for them.

0:43:210:43:23

It would have been awful.

0:43:230:43:25

And lying in a hospital here, unable to do anything.

0:43:250:43:29

He must have thought his chances were pretty small

0:43:290:43:31

of getting out of here.

0:43:310:43:33

On November 17th, nearly six months after the siege first began,

0:43:360:43:41

a larger relief force came to the rescue.

0:43:410:43:44

John's ordeal was finally over.

0:43:470:43:50

The defence of Lucknow became the pinnacle

0:43:530:43:55

-of the British Imperial achievement.

-Yeah.

0:43:550:43:58

So, for John to have been present at this key moment

0:43:580:44:02

in British Imperial history was huge.

0:44:020:44:04

Extraordinary, yeah.

0:44:040:44:06

If it was an American you would say he was one of the guys

0:44:060:44:10

who was present at the Alamo.

0:44:100:44:12

That is a medal roll and there he is, Private John O'Brien, 2252.

0:44:150:44:22

-Top of the list.

-And it says,

0:44:220:44:26

"Entitled to a clasp for the defence of Lucknow."

0:44:260:44:29

Rana has a replica of the medal John O'Brien would have received.

0:44:310:44:34

My goodness!

0:44:360:44:38

-That's a lovely thing, isn't it?

-It is.

-Yeah.

-Yeah.

0:44:380:44:42

That's amazing. Good on him.

0:44:420:44:44

It wasn't just British soldiers like John O'Brien

0:44:470:44:50

who were decorated for their part in defending Lucknow.

0:44:500:44:53

Over 700 Indian soldiers remained loyal

0:44:530:44:57

to the British during the siege.

0:44:570:44:59

Every Indian member of the garrison was subsequently admitted

0:44:590:45:03

to the Order of Merit, which was the highest gallantry award.

0:45:030:45:06

-Really?

-Yeah.

0:45:060:45:08

It was the Indian equivalent of the Victoria Cross which they gave them.

0:45:080:45:11

That's wonderful.

0:45:110:45:13

I think he would have been quite proud.

0:45:150:45:17

And quite delighted to have survived.

0:45:180:45:21

My God!

0:45:210:45:23

What a guy!

0:45:240:45:26

When I think of what his eyes must have seen was a disgraceful act.

0:45:310:45:35

And it must have been terrible for him,

0:45:370:45:39

having seen the massacre in Cawnpore,

0:45:390:45:41

then coming here and wondering

0:45:410:45:43

what was happening to his wife and two children.

0:45:430:45:46

But he came through it all and he won a medal.

0:45:460:45:50

On one hand it's valorous because you did your job extremely well.

0:45:500:45:54

But was your job really worth doing? It has to be questioned.

0:45:550:45:59

It's very easy for the likes of me to sit here and say that.

0:46:000:46:04

He lived in a completely different world.

0:46:040:46:07

Where we had an Empire that had to be looked after

0:46:070:46:09

and he was there to keep India British.

0:46:090:46:13

You know, it's dead easy for me sitting here, Joe the hippy,

0:46:130:46:17

"Peace and love and save the whale."

0:46:170:46:20

But when you're there, it's a different sausage.

0:46:200:46:23

Regaining Lucknow was a turning point for the British.

0:46:280:46:31

But it took them another six months

0:46:310:46:34

to finally quash the Great Rebellion,

0:46:340:46:36

or as many Indians called it, their First War of Independence.

0:46:360:46:41

In 1858, the East India Company was dissolved.

0:46:420:46:46

The British Crown took direct control

0:46:460:46:49

and many soldiers returned to Britain.

0:46:490:46:51

John O'Brien was wounded in the Great Rebellion,

0:46:530:46:56

and Billy wants to know what happened to him.

0:46:560:46:58

I've been looking at some records here.

0:46:590:47:02

General Orders. Is this him here?

0:47:020:47:05

Yes, that's him there, right there, yeah.

0:47:050:47:07

-"Pension - one shilling and six pence."

-Yeah.

0:47:070:47:10

-So that's him being pensioned out of the Army.

-Yeah.

0:47:100:47:13

1859. So that's just two years after the Relief of Lucknow.

0:47:130:47:17

That's right.

0:47:170:47:19

So he wouldn't be living very high on the hog, would he,

0:47:190:47:22

to live on a shilling and six pence?

0:47:220:47:25

But for that point of time it was a good amount

0:47:250:47:28

-and he could have lived quite comfortably.

-Really?

-Yeah.

0:47:280:47:31

So, do you think he would have been invalided out?

0:47:310:47:34

Yeah, because he was wounded.

0:47:340:47:36

Yes, his left shoulder, he was badly wounded.

0:47:360:47:39

Yeah, so probably he couldn't serve any more,

0:47:390:47:41

which is why he was pensioned off.

0:47:410:47:43

And since this was at the Siege of Lucknow it was probably just...

0:47:430:47:47

-Since he's proved his loyalty to the British...

-Yes.

0:47:470:47:50

It was like a mark of the service rendered that they gave him

0:47:500:47:53

-that higher amount of pension.

-Oh, yeah.

0:47:530:47:56

-Yeah. So they appreciated the service that he gave them.

-Yes.

0:47:560:48:02

It also mentions where he chose to reside after being pensioned.

0:48:020:48:07

-And it was Bangalore.

-Yeah.

-Oh, he's chosen to live in India.

0:48:070:48:11

-That's correct, yeah.

-Oh, I like that.

0:48:110:48:13

Yeah, that's interesting because most of the others chose to go back.

0:48:130:48:16

Yes. "England, England, England..."

0:48:160:48:19

So he's gone and settled in Bangalore.

0:48:190:48:22

And is there any information how long he stayed there?

0:48:220:48:26

-Yeah. So if you would look at this.

-Baptisms. I can't make out the date.

0:48:260:48:32

-1864.

-So he has more children at this point.

0:48:320:48:36

-We have another baptism record.

-1866.

-That's right.

0:48:360:48:42

-I have another record as well for you.

-1872.

-Mm-hm.

0:48:420:48:46

-More babies! It's the climate!

-Yeah.

0:48:460:48:49

Yeah, you can blame it on the climate, yeah.

0:48:490:48:53

And probably being a pensioner, he had a lot of time on his hands!

0:48:530:48:56

THEY LAUGH

0:48:560:48:58

BIRDS SQUAWK Even the birds find it funny!

0:48:580:49:03

But I kind of like the fact that he stayed in India,

0:49:030:49:05

and the children growing up in Bangalore would have had a nice time.

0:49:050:49:09

Yes, they would.

0:49:090:49:11

I was hoping one of the girls would marry a maharajah.

0:49:110:49:14

THEY LAUGH

0:49:140:49:17

-Don't we all!

-THEY LAUGH

0:49:170:49:20

I was hoping to marry a maharajah too!

0:49:200:49:23

-Well, thank you very much indeed.

-My pleasure.

0:49:250:49:28

Billy knows Mary Doyle and her mother, Margaret,

0:49:310:49:35

were both born in India.

0:49:350:49:37

Now he wants to know if Matilda and her parents

0:49:380:49:42

take his connection to the country back another generation.

0:49:420:49:45

Hello. You're Rajesh? I'm Billy Connolly.

0:49:530:49:57

I'd like to know if you have any records pertaining

0:49:570:49:59

to my great-great-great-grandfather John O'Brien and his wife Matilda?

0:49:590:50:05

You can take a look of marriage and baptism records from 1840s.

0:50:050:50:09

-Oh, that sounds great, yeah.

-So, these are the registers.

0:50:090:50:13

Thank you very much.

0:50:140:50:16

Well, I think I'll do the marriages first.

0:50:160:50:19

So, I look for O'Brien.

0:50:210:50:23

Golly, this is hard.

0:50:270:50:30

Oh, this is a minefield!

0:50:310:50:34

Holy moley!

0:50:350:50:37

If Margaret was born in 1852...

0:50:400:50:42

..I go back to... Where am I?

0:50:450:50:48

Bingo!

0:50:500:50:52

John O'Brien, 1st Madras Fusiliers.

0:50:540:50:57

Matilda Ellen.

0:50:580:51:01

Date of Marriage - 16th of July 1845.

0:51:010:51:05

Matilda. I don't know where she came from.

0:51:070:51:10

There's no information about her parents.

0:51:110:51:15

Married 1845, in July.

0:51:150:51:18

Billy's searching for Matilda's baptism record,

0:51:190:51:23

which may hold more clues.

0:51:230:51:25

Baptised... I'm just presuming she was baptised here.

0:51:250:51:29

Matilda Allan.

0:51:400:51:43

She was baptised on 20th of May 1845 in Bangalore.

0:51:430:51:50

The parents - there's no information, surname or nothing.

0:51:530:51:57

Hang on.

0:52:000:52:02

The 20th June...

0:52:020:52:05

And she's married in July.

0:52:050:52:07

So, this is obviously to make her a Catholic...

0:52:070:52:10

..so that he can marry her.

0:52:120:52:14

There's no other information.

0:52:140:52:17

I wonder if she was pregnant.

0:52:170:52:19

Date of birth - 1832.

0:52:210:52:24

If she was born in 1832 and married in 1845...

0:52:240:52:27

13?

0:52:300:52:33

That cannae be right, surely!

0:52:330:52:35

Date of birth - 1832. Date of Marriage - 1845.

0:52:380:52:43

Surely she wasn't married when she was 13!

0:52:440:52:47

Doesn't make any sense.

0:52:500:52:52

It doesn't even say where she was born.

0:52:520:52:56

God Almighty!

0:52:560:52:58

Really shocked me.

0:52:580:53:00

I'm astonished.

0:53:030:53:05

Absolutely astonished to find that

0:53:050:53:08

my great-great-great-grandfather married a 13-year-old girl.

0:53:080:53:13

I had to do the math.

0:53:130:53:15

Between 1932 and '45, it's not difficult.

0:53:150:53:18

My brain kept saying, "No, that makes her 13, don't be ridiculous!"

0:53:180:53:23

Was it legal in 1845?

0:53:230:53:25

I'm trying not to be judgmental. Maybe it was absolutely normal.

0:53:250:53:29

It's kind of playing havoc with my mind.

0:53:310:53:34

That's a nice colour, isn't it? The sari.

0:53:340:53:37

-Hi, Richard.

-Hello, Billy.

0:53:420:53:44

-Nice to see you.

-So good to meet you.

0:53:440:53:46

Billy is meeting local historian Richard O'Connor

0:53:460:53:49

at the exclusive Bangalore Club.

0:53:490:53:51

My God, this is quite the place, isn't it? Very posh.

0:53:510:53:56

-It is.

-This is the India that used to be, the British Raj India.

0:53:560:53:59

-In fact, it's nearly 150 years old.

-Really?

-Yes.

0:53:590:54:03

We are entering the men's bar now.

0:54:030:54:06

This was meant for the officers of the British Army.

0:54:060:54:09

Richard, in 1845 my great-great-great-grandparents

0:54:120:54:16

were married here in Bangalore. John and Matilda O'Brien.

0:54:160:54:20

But it would appear that Matilda was only 13 years of age

0:54:200:54:23

and she was baptised a month before the wedding.

0:54:230:54:26

Do you know if it was legal to get married at 13?

0:54:260:54:29

Could you cast any light on it for me?

0:54:290:54:31

Well, to do that, Billy, we'll have to look at the records

0:54:310:54:35

of John and Matilda's children.

0:54:350:54:38

This is the marriage of one of the daughters, Mary.

0:54:380:54:42

Mary O'Brien.

0:54:440:54:46

-It says about Mary is East Indian. East Indian?

-East Indian.

0:54:480:54:52

I don't know what that means.

0:54:540:54:56

-Have you heard of this name?

-East Indian?

-Before, yeah?

0:54:560:55:01

Matilda was European, wasn't she?

0:55:010:55:04

Matilda Allan. The wife of John O'Brien.

0:55:050:55:09

-But look what it says.

-East Indian.

-East Indian.

0:55:090:55:12

It's not European. East Indian means Anglo-Indian.

0:55:140:55:19

-Anglo-Indian.

-This means that her father was European,

0:55:190:55:24

in this case British, and her mother was Indian.

0:55:240:55:27

-Lordy, lordy!

-There we go.

0:55:270:55:30

-Well, well, well!

-All along you've been thinking she's European?

0:55:330:55:36

-Yes, I thought she was European!

-It's here on record.

0:55:360:55:40

While the children are Anglo-Indian, the mother was definitely Indian.

0:55:400:55:43

Indian! HE LAUGHS

0:55:430:55:47

This is ridiculous! Indian! That's wonderful.

0:55:470:55:52

And that explains the 13 years of age marriage, doesn't it?

0:55:520:55:56

And she's converted to Christianity.

0:55:560:55:59

Converted to Christianity because she got baptised.

0:55:590:56:02

-Yeah, a month before their wedding.

-Just a month before her wedding.

0:56:020:56:05

-And normally Anglo-Indians get baptised soon after birth.

-Mm-hm.

0:56:050:56:10

-All these records show that definitely Matilda was Indian.

-Yeah.

0:56:100:56:18

Well, that would have helped in his decision to stay here, wouldn't it?

0:56:200:56:23

-If your wife's Indian, makes the decision very easy.

-Yes.

0:56:230:56:27

I'm still absolutely amazed that Matilda was an Indian.

0:56:270:56:31

I'm very pleased. I'm very pleased to have Indian blood in the family.

0:56:330:56:37

-It just takes my breath away.

-You must be having relatives in India.

0:56:370:56:41

I'm glad somebody diligent kept these record the way they are.

0:56:470:56:52

It's given me another family I didn't know about.

0:56:520:56:55

I think it's wonderful. I'm very pleased.

0:56:550:56:58

-Oh, nice to hear that.

-Can't wait to tell my children.

0:56:580:57:01

Three generations born in India. HE LAUGHS

0:57:050:57:08

It's just... It's just such a huge thing not to know.

0:57:080:57:12

I would love to think I behaved like John O'Brien,

0:57:140:57:18

who's a soldier, proud and true.

0:57:180:57:22

But if I had to really look in the mirror and own up,

0:57:220:57:25

I'm much more like Daniel Doyle.

0:57:250:57:27

As a matter of fact, I sent an e-mail to my manager during this shoot

0:57:270:57:32

and told him one of my ancestors, Daniel Doyle,

0:57:320:57:34

peed too often and he's an alcoholic, you know, and he had syphilis.

0:57:340:57:40

HE LAUGHS

0:57:400:57:42

He sent me an e-mail back saying...

0:57:420:57:46

"An incontinent alcoholic mad shagger?

0:57:470:57:50

"You're got a chip off the old block!"

0:57:500:57:52

HE LAUGHS

0:57:520:57:53

I'm very proud and happy to be part Indian. It's lovely.

0:57:550:57:59

No matter how small the part is.

0:57:590:58:01

But I still feel very Scottish.

0:58:020:58:04

When anybody writes about me they always put the word "Scottish" in.

0:58:040:58:08

"Big Scottish comedian."

0:58:080:58:11

"Scottish" is right across my forehead.

0:58:110:58:14

You know, I'm a Glaswegian, Scottish person

0:58:150:58:19

and that will remain till the day I die.

0:58:190:58:22

But in my heart I have... I have a little bit of India.

0:58:230:58:26

And I'm going to keep it very close to me.

0:58:280:58:31

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