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'At the beginning of my career I wanted to live in a big house | 0:00:06 | 0:00:09 | |
'and I didn't have the money.' | 0:00:09 | 0:00:11 | |
Seeing a child at every window, waving. | 0:00:11 | 0:00:14 | |
That was one of my dreams. | 0:00:14 | 0:00:16 | |
But this is kind of... | 0:00:16 | 0:00:18 | |
It's been brilliant. | 0:00:18 | 0:00:19 | |
Wa-a-a-ah! | 0:00:21 | 0:00:22 | |
For over 40 years, Billy Connolly has been the wild man of comedy. | 0:00:22 | 0:00:28 | |
I don't think I'm old. I don't feel old. | 0:00:28 | 0:00:30 | |
But I've noticed certain distinctive changes coming over me recently. | 0:00:30 | 0:00:33 | |
I tend to make a noise when I bend down. | 0:00:33 | 0:00:36 | |
I don't know how long I've been doing this, | 0:00:36 | 0:00:37 | |
but I caught myself the other day going, | 0:00:37 | 0:00:39 | |
"A-a-agh, Jesus...!" | 0:00:39 | 0:00:42 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:00:42 | 0:00:43 | |
And his award winning performances on the big screen | 0:00:43 | 0:00:46 | |
have made him an international star. | 0:00:46 | 0:00:48 | |
Oh, good girl! | 0:00:50 | 0:00:52 | |
Born in 1942, | 0:00:52 | 0:00:54 | |
Billy has five children | 0:00:54 | 0:00:56 | |
and two grandchildren. | 0:00:56 | 0:00:58 | |
I'm 71, | 0:00:59 | 0:01:00 | |
so I'm a lot closer to death than I am to birth! | 0:01:00 | 0:01:03 | |
'So I'd like to know where I come from. | 0:01:04 | 0:01:07 | |
'I'd like my children to know. | 0:01:07 | 0:01:09 | |
'I know so pitifully little.' | 0:01:09 | 0:01:11 | |
Well done. | 0:01:11 | 0:01:13 | |
The best-case scenario, | 0:01:13 | 0:01:15 | |
it would be to find someone I'm descended from | 0:01:15 | 0:01:18 | |
who impressed me by their wildness. | 0:01:18 | 0:01:21 | |
Psh-h-h! | 0:01:21 | 0:01:22 | |
Whose behaviour I thoroughly approved of! | 0:01:22 | 0:01:26 | |
Just someone I can say, | 0:01:27 | 0:01:28 | |
"That's the one. That's where my DNA came from." | 0:01:28 | 0:01:32 | |
These are my sister and I. | 0:02:08 | 0:02:10 | |
I like that picture. It's so Glasgow. | 0:02:10 | 0:02:13 | |
It's a real tenement picture. | 0:02:13 | 0:02:15 | |
I'm very proud of it. | 0:02:16 | 0:02:18 | |
And I'm proud of that place, Anderston. | 0:02:19 | 0:02:21 | |
"Ah, Billy, you're an Anderston boy," they say. | 0:02:21 | 0:02:24 | |
It's a great area, you know, it's one of the oldest areas in Glasgow. | 0:02:24 | 0:02:28 | |
And it's traditionally kind of poor and working class. | 0:02:28 | 0:02:31 | |
You can see by my wee face how happy I was there. | 0:02:31 | 0:02:33 | |
Well, this is my parents' wedding. | 0:02:35 | 0:02:37 | |
Well, my mother, I remember very, very little about her. | 0:02:37 | 0:02:41 | |
She left when I was four. | 0:02:41 | 0:02:43 | |
But I remember her being around, laughing and stuff. | 0:02:43 | 0:02:46 | |
And people think I should be angry because she left, | 0:02:46 | 0:02:49 | |
and I'm not in the least bit. | 0:02:49 | 0:02:51 | |
She was 19 and she met a guy who... | 0:02:51 | 0:02:54 | |
And she fell in love with him, | 0:02:54 | 0:02:56 | |
and I didn't see her again till I was in my 20s. | 0:02:56 | 0:02:59 | |
I don't blame her at all, not for a second. | 0:02:59 | 0:03:02 | |
Now, this picture is one of my favourite people in the world. | 0:03:03 | 0:03:06 | |
This is my granny, Florence McGowan, | 0:03:06 | 0:03:09 | |
and she was my mother's mother. | 0:03:09 | 0:03:11 | |
And I was deeply fond of her, | 0:03:12 | 0:03:14 | |
because when my mother was gone, she stepped right into the place. | 0:03:14 | 0:03:17 | |
And when she visited us it was like the sun coming over the mountain. | 0:03:17 | 0:03:20 | |
She was just... she was always a joy to see. | 0:03:20 | 0:03:22 | |
She always had chocolate and stuff like that. | 0:03:22 | 0:03:25 | |
I would like to find more about the background of | 0:03:25 | 0:03:27 | |
that whole side of my family, | 0:03:27 | 0:03:30 | |
my mother's side of the family. | 0:03:30 | 0:03:32 | |
I think they were Irish immigrants, | 0:03:32 | 0:03:34 | |
but I know so very, very little. | 0:03:34 | 0:03:36 | |
Billy is starting his search on his maternal side | 0:03:38 | 0:03:42 | |
by using his grandmother Florence's birth certificate. | 0:03:42 | 0:03:45 | |
So that's Flora that you've talked about. | 0:03:45 | 0:03:48 | |
Yes, that's her. My granny. | 0:03:48 | 0:03:51 | |
Born in 1902. | 0:03:51 | 0:03:53 | |
Patrick McGowan's her father. | 0:03:53 | 0:03:54 | |
That must be Mary McGowan nee Doyle, | 0:03:55 | 0:03:58 | |
my granny's mother. | 0:03:58 | 0:03:59 | |
Go. | 0:04:00 | 0:04:02 | |
Florence McGowan. | 0:04:02 | 0:04:04 | |
By searching census records, | 0:04:04 | 0:04:05 | |
Billy can find out where Florence's parents were from. | 0:04:05 | 0:04:09 | |
Do the search. | 0:04:09 | 0:04:10 | |
Cara is much more literate on the computator than I am. | 0:04:10 | 0:04:15 | |
-Oh, look, there we go. -Ooh. | 0:04:15 | 0:04:18 | |
Well, it's the actual census. | 0:04:18 | 0:04:19 | |
-I could have done this. -I know. | 0:04:19 | 0:04:21 | |
-Does that say McGowan? -It does. | 0:04:23 | 0:04:25 | |
-Florence... -Age eight. Oh, look! | 0:04:25 | 0:04:28 | |
What does that say? | 0:04:28 | 0:04:30 | |
Daft Street! CARA LAUGHS | 0:04:30 | 0:04:32 | |
She lives in 40 Daft Street. | 0:04:32 | 0:04:34 | |
Just off Crazy Avenue! | 0:04:35 | 0:04:37 | |
-Or is it Oak Street? -Mm-hm. | 0:04:38 | 0:04:40 | |
-That's the parents. -Yep. | 0:04:42 | 0:04:44 | |
Patrick McGowan was her father. Mary McGowan, mother. | 0:04:45 | 0:04:48 | |
Birthplace, Lanark, both of them. | 0:04:48 | 0:04:50 | |
-So they're both from Lanark. East of Glasgow. -Yeah. | 0:04:50 | 0:04:54 | |
I thought they were Irish immigrants. | 0:04:54 | 0:04:57 | |
Well, maybe their parents were, I don't know. | 0:04:57 | 0:05:00 | |
Well, why don't we go to the 1901, that's the last census before that? | 0:05:00 | 0:05:04 | |
OK. | 0:05:08 | 0:05:10 | |
Patrick McGowan, Mary... | 0:05:10 | 0:05:11 | |
Mary... | 0:05:13 | 0:05:14 | |
-What does that say? -Ireland. | 0:05:15 | 0:05:19 | |
Why would it suddenly say Ireland? | 0:05:19 | 0:05:21 | |
Why on earth doesn't that match? | 0:05:21 | 0:05:23 | |
Why would they say Ireland in one place | 0:05:23 | 0:05:25 | |
and Lanarkshire in another? | 0:05:25 | 0:05:27 | |
-Quite baffling really, isn't it? -Mm-hm. | 0:05:29 | 0:05:31 | |
Billy's always believed that his mother's side of the family | 0:05:33 | 0:05:36 | |
was from Ireland. | 0:05:36 | 0:05:38 | |
But the records for his great-grandmother, | 0:05:38 | 0:05:40 | |
Mary Doyle, show conflicting information. | 0:05:40 | 0:05:44 | |
Was she from Ireland or Scotland? | 0:05:44 | 0:05:47 | |
Mary lived in Glasgow, Billy's home town. | 0:05:49 | 0:05:53 | |
So he's come here to find out more. | 0:05:53 | 0:05:56 | |
I need a wee picture with you, sir, please. | 0:05:56 | 0:05:59 | |
-Thank you. -Gotcha. | 0:06:01 | 0:06:02 | |
Great to see you back in Glasgow, Billy. What do you think tonight? | 0:06:02 | 0:06:05 | |
-Can Celtic do it against Barcelona? -Oh, they're going to hammer them! | 0:06:05 | 0:06:08 | |
All the best. Billy Connolly live here. | 0:06:08 | 0:06:10 | |
Ahh! | 0:06:10 | 0:06:12 | |
There's the big man. How you doing, sir? | 0:06:12 | 0:06:14 | |
-No bother at all. -How's tricks? | 0:06:14 | 0:06:16 | |
It's not like this all the time. | 0:06:16 | 0:06:18 | |
He said waving to passers-by! | 0:06:18 | 0:06:21 | |
I don't mind being noticed at all. | 0:06:21 | 0:06:23 | |
It's a lot better than being booed, I can assure you. | 0:06:23 | 0:06:26 | |
I've experienced both. | 0:06:26 | 0:06:27 | |
Well, Kirsty, my granny's mother, Mary Doyle, | 0:06:30 | 0:06:33 | |
why would it say she came from Glasgow, | 0:06:33 | 0:06:35 | |
when she comes from Ireland? | 0:06:35 | 0:06:37 | |
She couldn't have been born in both places. | 0:06:37 | 0:06:38 | |
Could you help me with this? | 0:06:38 | 0:06:40 | |
I have searched the records in Scotland and in Ireland | 0:06:40 | 0:06:44 | |
and also in England, and I couldn't find a record of Mary Doyle's birth. | 0:06:44 | 0:06:48 | |
But I was able to find a document that I think will help | 0:06:48 | 0:06:51 | |
-to explain things a little. -Yeah. | 0:06:51 | 0:06:53 | |
This is actually a record of Mary's baptism. | 0:06:55 | 0:06:57 | |
-See here is... -Bangalore? | 0:06:57 | 0:07:00 | |
-That's right, yes. -God! | 0:07:00 | 0:07:02 | |
BILLY LAUGHS | 0:07:02 | 0:07:04 | |
-In India? -That's right, yeah. | 0:07:04 | 0:07:06 | |
BILLY LAUGHS | 0:07:08 | 0:07:10 | |
This is... How did she...? | 0:07:12 | 0:07:14 | |
From Ireland to Bangalore! | 0:07:14 | 0:07:16 | |
My God! I'm completely flummoxed. | 0:07:17 | 0:07:20 | |
BILLY LAUGHS Bangalore! | 0:07:21 | 0:07:24 | |
So Daniel and Margaret are the parents. | 0:07:25 | 0:07:29 | |
Doyle. | 0:07:29 | 0:07:30 | |
What's this? "Rank of father. Gunner." | 0:07:31 | 0:07:33 | |
-Oh, her father was in the Army! -That's right, yeah. | 0:07:33 | 0:07:36 | |
"Gunner. Royal Horse Artillery." | 0:07:36 | 0:07:38 | |
That just takes my breath away. He wasn't half in the Army, | 0:07:40 | 0:07:43 | |
the Royal Horse Artillery, that's quite fancy. | 0:07:43 | 0:07:45 | |
My God! | 0:07:45 | 0:07:47 | |
That's the last thing on earth I expected. | 0:07:47 | 0:07:50 | |
Cos I was always led to believe they were Irish immigrants. | 0:07:51 | 0:07:53 | |
I always imagined they were poor Irish immigrants. | 0:07:53 | 0:07:56 | |
I didn't realise they'd be gunners in the Royal Horse Artillery | 0:07:56 | 0:07:59 | |
in Bangalore. | 0:07:59 | 0:08:01 | |
Well, we do know that in 1872, a year after Mary Doyle was born, | 0:08:01 | 0:08:05 | |
her father was stationed at Hill Station | 0:08:05 | 0:08:07 | |
in Wellington in south India. | 0:08:07 | 0:08:09 | |
So perhaps find out a little bit more. | 0:08:09 | 0:08:11 | |
Is there a Wellington in India? | 0:08:11 | 0:08:12 | |
There is, yes. | 0:08:12 | 0:08:14 | |
Well, I think we should get there post haste. | 0:08:14 | 0:08:17 | |
I'm absolutely amazed. | 0:08:20 | 0:08:21 | |
The Royal Horse Artillery. | 0:08:21 | 0:08:23 | |
It's the last thing on earth I expected. | 0:08:23 | 0:08:25 | |
Cos they're quite an outfit, you know? | 0:08:25 | 0:08:27 | |
They're the ones you see at Earls Court doing... | 0:08:27 | 0:08:31 | |
They do, er, swinging on ropes, putting guns together | 0:08:31 | 0:08:34 | |
and attaching it all back to the horse, | 0:08:34 | 0:08:36 | |
it's all tassels and braid and... | 0:08:36 | 0:08:37 | |
Well, I'm really curious because the Horse Artillery would have status, | 0:08:37 | 0:08:43 | |
and being in India they would have had status as colonialists. | 0:08:43 | 0:08:48 | |
So I want to know about Daniel's very British life | 0:08:48 | 0:08:51 | |
in the middle of India. | 0:08:51 | 0:08:53 | |
Following in the footsteps of his great-great-grandfather, | 0:08:54 | 0:08:57 | |
Daniel Doyle, | 0:08:57 | 0:08:58 | |
Billy is travelling 6,000 miles to Wellington in southern India. | 0:08:58 | 0:09:03 | |
It's a small garrison town high up in the Nilgiris hills. | 0:09:05 | 0:09:08 | |
I've been to India several times. I like the people. | 0:09:13 | 0:09:17 | |
It's a lovely feeling being back in India again. | 0:09:17 | 0:09:20 | |
Oh, there's a monkey. There's monkeys all over the place. | 0:09:23 | 0:09:26 | |
Monkeys give me the willies! | 0:09:27 | 0:09:29 | |
This is extraordinary tea country. | 0:09:31 | 0:09:35 | |
Just lush and green. | 0:09:35 | 0:09:38 | |
Kind of Scottish, really. | 0:09:38 | 0:09:40 | |
People drive here like nowhere else on earth. | 0:09:45 | 0:09:48 | |
This is a great example of the driving! | 0:09:48 | 0:09:51 | |
They'll do a blind corner without even thinking about it. | 0:09:51 | 0:09:55 | |
Overtake. Beep-beep! | 0:09:55 | 0:09:57 | |
The horn saves you from everything. | 0:09:57 | 0:09:59 | |
HORN BEEPS | 0:09:59 | 0:10:01 | |
I've never seen a crash here, | 0:10:03 | 0:10:04 | |
although I've seen some hairy driving. | 0:10:04 | 0:10:06 | |
I'm thinking about my granny's grandfather, | 0:10:10 | 0:10:15 | |
Daniel Doyle. | 0:10:15 | 0:10:16 | |
For Daniel to come here and live, | 0:10:17 | 0:10:19 | |
it must have been like coming to the dark side of the moon. | 0:10:19 | 0:10:22 | |
It must have been completely foreign to him. | 0:10:22 | 0:10:25 | |
We can but wonder. | 0:10:27 | 0:10:29 | |
When Daniel Doyle came to India in the mid-19th century, | 0:10:32 | 0:10:36 | |
vast areas of the subcontinent were governed on behalf of the | 0:10:36 | 0:10:39 | |
British Crown by the East India Company. | 0:10:39 | 0:10:42 | |
For over 200 years the company had been making treaties | 0:10:45 | 0:10:49 | |
to gain land and power from its Indian rulers, | 0:10:49 | 0:10:53 | |
and had profited from trade and taxation. | 0:10:53 | 0:10:55 | |
To maintain control over these lucrative territories, | 0:10:57 | 0:11:01 | |
the Crown used the British Army as well as private armies | 0:11:01 | 0:11:05 | |
created by the East India Company. | 0:11:05 | 0:11:08 | |
SOLDIERS AND OFFICERS YELL | 0:11:08 | 0:11:10 | |
Across the country, the company had a quarter of a million | 0:11:16 | 0:11:19 | |
Indian soldiers serving alongside British troops. | 0:11:19 | 0:11:24 | |
Left, right, left! Left, right...! | 0:11:24 | 0:11:26 | |
Billy has come to the barracks where Daniel Doyle was first stationed | 0:11:26 | 0:11:30 | |
with the British Army in the 1850s. | 0:11:30 | 0:11:32 | |
I've gone quite tingly. | 0:11:34 | 0:11:36 | |
Daniel Doyle, it's kind of weird walking in his footsteps. | 0:11:36 | 0:11:40 | |
There's a definite spookiness. | 0:11:40 | 0:11:42 | |
Not sort of, "Whoo-oo-oo, ghostie," just, | 0:11:42 | 0:11:45 | |
you feel like they're invisible, | 0:11:45 | 0:11:48 | |
just standing taking note of you. | 0:11:48 | 0:11:50 | |
But it's a beautiful barracks as barracks go, | 0:11:51 | 0:11:54 | |
cos normally I'm used to the British idea of barracks | 0:11:54 | 0:11:58 | |
which is grey, | 0:11:58 | 0:12:00 | |
that sort of Aldershot beigey grey. | 0:12:00 | 0:12:02 | |
Sounds like a soul singer, doesn't it, Beigey Grey! | 0:12:03 | 0:12:07 | |
But it's really quite colourful. | 0:12:07 | 0:12:09 | |
DISTANT SHOUTING OF COMMANDS | 0:12:11 | 0:12:13 | |
I like that. | 0:12:21 | 0:12:22 | |
The British usually accompany that order with a little scream. | 0:12:25 | 0:12:28 | |
They go, "Du-uh, ha!" | 0:12:28 | 0:12:30 | |
BILLY CHUCKLES | 0:12:30 | 0:12:32 | |
To find out about Daniel's life as a soldier, | 0:12:36 | 0:12:39 | |
Billy is meeting historian Dr Rosie Llewellyn-Jones. | 0:12:39 | 0:12:43 | |
Yes, you see, canons here. I think... | 0:12:43 | 0:12:45 | |
They've come to the Wellington Gymkhana Club. | 0:12:45 | 0:12:48 | |
Popular with the military, | 0:12:48 | 0:12:50 | |
it dates back to the days of the British Empire. | 0:12:50 | 0:12:52 | |
I have his military record here. | 0:12:53 | 0:12:55 | |
Oh, great! | 0:12:55 | 0:12:56 | |
Hollywood. | 0:12:58 | 0:12:59 | |
-Ireland. -Oh, yeah. | 0:12:59 | 0:13:01 | |
So there's the Irish connection. | 0:13:01 | 0:13:03 | |
He's a labourer from the County of Wicklow. | 0:13:03 | 0:13:05 | |
Was this when he joined? | 0:13:05 | 0:13:06 | |
Yes, that's right. In September 1856. | 0:13:06 | 0:13:11 | |
"Daniel Doyle, aged 18 years. | 0:13:11 | 0:13:14 | |
"Complexion sallow. | 0:13:14 | 0:13:16 | |
"Eyes blue. Hair brown." | 0:13:16 | 0:13:19 | |
And you can see, he was quite a tall lad, actually. | 0:13:19 | 0:13:21 | |
-Yeah, 5'11½", must have been a tall guy. -Yes. | 0:13:21 | 0:13:24 | |
And he went into the 3rd Battalion 60th Rifles, | 0:13:24 | 0:13:29 | |
and this got him out to India. | 0:13:29 | 0:13:32 | |
For Daniel it was a chance for adventure in an exotic country. | 0:13:32 | 0:13:37 | |
-Attractive possibilities. -Very attractive, yes. -Mm. | 0:13:37 | 0:13:40 | |
And we've got a couple of pictures of what it actually looked like. | 0:13:40 | 0:13:44 | |
Oh, it looks the same as I was there this morning. | 0:13:44 | 0:13:47 | |
-It's good, isn't it? -Oh, it's fantastic. | 0:13:47 | 0:13:50 | |
Daniel might have thought he was coming out to fight | 0:13:50 | 0:13:53 | |
and life would be very lively and everything. | 0:13:53 | 0:13:56 | |
He came out at an interesting time in the middle of | 0:13:56 | 0:14:00 | |
the Great Rebellion, the Great Uprising of 1857. | 0:14:00 | 0:14:03 | |
-That was going on in the north of India. -Yes. | 0:14:03 | 0:14:06 | |
But because he was in the south he didn't see any fighting. | 0:14:06 | 0:14:09 | |
In 1857, the tide was turning against the British | 0:14:12 | 0:14:17 | |
in the north of the country. | 0:14:17 | 0:14:18 | |
There was growing resentment among the Indian soldiers serving with | 0:14:19 | 0:14:23 | |
the East India Company about the spread of Western culture | 0:14:23 | 0:14:27 | |
and Christianity, which threatened their traditions and religion. | 0:14:27 | 0:14:32 | |
Thousands of these formerly loyal Indian soldiers | 0:14:34 | 0:14:38 | |
were now taking up arms against their colonial masters. | 0:14:38 | 0:14:42 | |
To try to quash the rebellion, more troops were sent north. | 0:14:43 | 0:14:48 | |
But the British still needed soldiers like Daniel Doyle | 0:14:48 | 0:14:51 | |
to maintain a strong military presence in the south. | 0:14:51 | 0:14:54 | |
We can see that he volunteers for the Royal Artillery as a gunner | 0:14:56 | 0:15:01 | |
and he spends three years there and then moves up to the | 0:15:01 | 0:15:04 | |
-Royal Horse Artillery, which is really prestigious. -Oh, yeah. | 0:15:04 | 0:15:08 | |
Oh, that's great. | 0:15:09 | 0:15:11 | |
So he must have been a pretty good gunner. | 0:15:11 | 0:15:13 | |
This is an elite corps, there's no doubt about that. | 0:15:13 | 0:15:17 | |
That's an extraordinary picture. | 0:15:17 | 0:15:19 | |
Have a look at this. | 0:15:20 | 0:15:21 | |
"With regard to the character and conduct, | 0:15:23 | 0:15:25 | |
"it would appear his conduct has been good | 0:15:25 | 0:15:28 | |
"and he is in possession of three good conduct badges." | 0:15:28 | 0:15:33 | |
Hmm. | 0:15:34 | 0:15:35 | |
-And he's promoted to corporal in 1863. -Yes. | 0:15:35 | 0:15:41 | |
So Daniel's done quite well for himself | 0:15:41 | 0:15:43 | |
with his good conduct medals, eh? | 0:15:43 | 0:15:45 | |
So he would have been quite happy, I think, here. | 0:15:45 | 0:15:47 | |
What we have got is a diary account | 0:15:47 | 0:15:49 | |
by somebody who was actually in the Royal Horse Artillery | 0:15:49 | 0:15:53 | |
-at the same time. -Oh, yeah? | 0:15:53 | 0:15:55 | |
"Get up at five o'clock, roll up the blanket or bed, | 0:15:56 | 0:15:59 | |
"any drills, parades, stables or fatigues are done by nine. | 0:15:59 | 0:16:02 | |
"From nine until four in the afternoon | 0:16:02 | 0:16:04 | |
"we're not allowed to leave the camp. | 0:16:04 | 0:16:06 | |
"If you could look in here now you would see most of our men asleep. | 0:16:06 | 0:16:09 | |
"From four to six is set apart for drill. | 0:16:09 | 0:16:11 | |
"This, I think, concludes a day's work." | 0:16:11 | 0:16:14 | |
Not a lot of work went on. | 0:16:14 | 0:16:16 | |
"Everything is such a sameness. | 0:16:16 | 0:16:17 | |
"Everybody knows everybody and we see each other so often | 0:16:17 | 0:16:20 | |
"we tire to look at each other." | 0:16:20 | 0:16:22 | |
Ooh, I can see it coming. | 0:16:22 | 0:16:24 | |
"Then there is so little variety in our duties | 0:16:24 | 0:16:26 | |
"that they become quite a bugbear. | 0:16:26 | 0:16:28 | |
"To bed at nine, up at six, to bed at nine again, | 0:16:28 | 0:16:31 | |
"thus we drag our miserable existence." | 0:16:31 | 0:16:33 | |
Miserable existence. | 0:16:34 | 0:16:35 | |
I thought they were leading a rather jolly life. | 0:16:35 | 0:16:38 | |
Not really, because you've got to remember | 0:16:38 | 0:16:40 | |
-there's no fighting going on at the moment. -Yes, yes. | 0:16:40 | 0:16:43 | |
So you can see boredom would drive them to all kinds of distractions. | 0:16:43 | 0:16:48 | |
Oh, indeed, indeed. | 0:16:48 | 0:16:50 | |
We do have some more information about him. | 0:16:50 | 0:16:53 | |
"His name appears 16 times in the Regimental Defaulters' Book... | 0:16:53 | 0:16:58 | |
-"..and he has been held once by court martial." -Tried. | 0:16:59 | 0:17:03 | |
-Oh, he's been tried once. That's quite serious. -Mm. | 0:17:03 | 0:17:06 | |
What did he do? | 0:17:06 | 0:17:08 | |
Unfortunately we don't know. | 0:17:08 | 0:17:10 | |
What's the Defaulters' Book? | 0:17:10 | 0:17:12 | |
It's sort of like a naughty book if you step...! | 0:17:12 | 0:17:15 | |
THEY LAUGH | 0:17:15 | 0:17:17 | |
The naughty step! | 0:17:17 | 0:17:18 | |
If you step out of line, your name goes down. | 0:17:18 | 0:17:21 | |
But that could have been for fairly minor things. | 0:17:21 | 0:17:24 | |
-Yeah, misdemeanour... -Being drunk, being rude, yes, exactly. | 0:17:24 | 0:17:27 | |
I can smell alcohol. | 0:17:27 | 0:17:29 | |
-Oh, can you? -Yes. | 0:17:29 | 0:17:31 | |
If you're 16 times in the Defaulters' Book, | 0:17:31 | 0:17:35 | |
I reckon you're a bit of a drunk. | 0:17:35 | 0:17:38 | |
So has he been flung out? | 0:17:38 | 0:17:40 | |
No, not really. He just goes back to being a gunner again, | 0:17:40 | 0:17:43 | |
but he's lost that, you know, that prestigious job unfortunately. | 0:17:43 | 0:17:47 | |
Yes. Yeah, well, I don't understand why he's got himself in trouble, | 0:17:47 | 0:17:50 | |
having gone from private to corporal. | 0:17:50 | 0:17:52 | |
I mean, his next step was sergeant. | 0:17:52 | 0:17:55 | |
You would think he would behave himself. Oh, for shame, for shame. | 0:17:55 | 0:17:59 | |
-I think he'd be good fun by the sound of him. -Yes. | 0:17:59 | 0:18:01 | |
And what happened to him after that? | 0:18:02 | 0:18:05 | |
We find him in Bangalore, in hospital, in 1866. | 0:18:05 | 0:18:09 | |
-Oh, really? -Mm. | 0:18:09 | 0:18:11 | |
I wonder what he went to hospital for, | 0:18:11 | 0:18:12 | |
that's what I would like to know. | 0:18:12 | 0:18:14 | |
I think when Daniel was in India, | 0:18:21 | 0:18:24 | |
he's obviously lying around here bored stiff. | 0:18:24 | 0:18:27 | |
16 times in the... in the Defaulters' Book! | 0:18:29 | 0:18:33 | |
BILLY LAUGHS | 0:18:33 | 0:18:34 | |
He's a bit like me. I'm sure I would have been in the Defaulters' Book. | 0:18:34 | 0:18:37 | |
Find him very colourful. I kind of like him. | 0:18:38 | 0:18:41 | |
When I heard that he'd been in hospital in Bangalore | 0:18:43 | 0:18:45 | |
I immediately thought, "He's been in a fight." | 0:18:45 | 0:18:47 | |
Maybe it's just some act of vandalism | 0:18:47 | 0:18:49 | |
when he was drunk or something like that. | 0:18:49 | 0:18:52 | |
I may be completely wrong. He maybe caught some disease. | 0:18:52 | 0:18:56 | |
There was no... I mean, I don't imagine it was terribly difficult | 0:18:56 | 0:18:59 | |
to catch a disease then here, for a white guy especially. | 0:18:59 | 0:19:03 | |
So I really don't know. I haven't a clue. | 0:19:03 | 0:19:05 | |
I'm desperate to find out. | 0:19:05 | 0:19:07 | |
It's got my nosy bone going. | 0:19:07 | 0:19:09 | |
I really want to know what he's been up to, | 0:19:09 | 0:19:12 | |
why he's in hospital. | 0:19:12 | 0:19:14 | |
Billy is heading 200 miles north to Bangalore city, | 0:19:20 | 0:19:25 | |
where his great-great-grandfather was in hospital. | 0:19:25 | 0:19:28 | |
PEOPLE CHEER | 0:19:33 | 0:19:35 | |
HORNS BEEP | 0:19:40 | 0:19:42 | |
If it's a quiet time you're looking for... | 0:19:52 | 0:19:54 | |
..don't come to Bangalore! | 0:19:56 | 0:19:58 | |
I never saw so many people in my life. | 0:20:00 | 0:20:02 | |
All the mopeds and... | 0:20:04 | 0:20:06 | |
the heart-stopping sight of women in saris sitting side saddle, | 0:20:06 | 0:20:11 | |
hurtling through the traffic with a baby in their arms. | 0:20:11 | 0:20:13 | |
It just crossed my mind how it must have looked in 1866. | 0:20:15 | 0:20:20 | |
Cos there would be no cars. Just be bullock carts. | 0:20:20 | 0:20:23 | |
I wonder how Daniel got to Bangalore. | 0:20:24 | 0:20:27 | |
Maybe he just jumped on a horse. | 0:20:27 | 0:20:29 | |
It's not known which hospital Daniel Doyle was treated in, | 0:20:38 | 0:20:42 | |
but historian Dr Mridula Ramanna has found his medical records. | 0:20:42 | 0:20:47 | |
-Here's Daniel Doyle. -Daniel Doyle. | 0:20:47 | 0:20:49 | |
Diseases. | 0:20:49 | 0:20:51 | |
And these are the dates when he was in hospital | 0:20:51 | 0:20:55 | |
with the years '66 to '69. | 0:20:55 | 0:20:59 | |
-So he's come back and forth out of... in and out of hospital? -Yeah. | 0:20:59 | 0:21:03 | |
Is that diarrhoea there? | 0:21:03 | 0:21:05 | |
Yes, diarrhoea, dysentery was very common. | 0:21:05 | 0:21:08 | |
-What does that say? -This is ebriositis. | 0:21:08 | 0:21:11 | |
-Ebriositis. -..sitis. Which is... -What's that? | 0:21:11 | 0:21:14 | |
..which is actually alcoholism. | 0:21:14 | 0:21:18 | |
Oh! | 0:21:18 | 0:21:20 | |
-Yeah. And you'll see... -It's a family tradition. | 0:21:20 | 0:21:23 | |
-Oh! There's, there are two entries for ebriositis. -Yes. | 0:21:23 | 0:21:28 | |
-Yeah. What does that one say there? -Yeah, that is, er, | 0:21:28 | 0:21:33 | |
enu...enuresis, which is excessive urination | 0:21:33 | 0:21:38 | |
in the night, | 0:21:38 | 0:21:40 | |
and that is caused by, again, alcoholism. | 0:21:40 | 0:21:46 | |
My goodness! | 0:21:46 | 0:21:47 | |
-He, he... -So he would be alcoholic and peeing through the night, | 0:21:48 | 0:21:52 | |
-and having diarrhoea during the day! -Yeah. | 0:21:52 | 0:21:54 | |
-His life was quite jolly! -Yeah. | 0:21:54 | 0:21:57 | |
-For this ebriositis... -Yes. | 0:21:57 | 0:22:00 | |
..Doyle would have been given morphine. | 0:22:00 | 0:22:03 | |
-For his alcoholism? -Yeah. | 0:22:05 | 0:22:07 | |
To sedate him, because he would... | 0:22:07 | 0:22:09 | |
Sedated by morphine? | 0:22:09 | 0:22:11 | |
..because he must have been violent. | 0:22:11 | 0:22:15 | |
-You know, in alcohol... -Yes. | 0:22:15 | 0:22:17 | |
-So you know... -Throwing his weight around. -Right, yeah, perhaps. | 0:22:17 | 0:22:20 | |
Is that syphilis? | 0:22:23 | 0:22:25 | |
Yes. Primary syphilis. | 0:22:25 | 0:22:27 | |
My God! | 0:22:27 | 0:22:29 | |
BILLY LAUGHS | 0:22:30 | 0:22:32 | |
Golly! Oh... | 0:22:34 | 0:22:37 | |
I didn't see it tucked away there. | 0:22:37 | 0:22:39 | |
Oh. So he's got syphilis and diarrhoea. | 0:22:42 | 0:22:45 | |
What a happy young man he is(!) | 0:22:45 | 0:22:48 | |
And that was pretty common here in the British Army. | 0:22:48 | 0:22:51 | |
-Was it? -Yeah. | 0:22:51 | 0:22:52 | |
Many of these young men, | 0:22:52 | 0:22:54 | |
their only outlet would be to go to prostitutes. | 0:22:54 | 0:22:58 | |
So probably that's where he caught it. | 0:22:58 | 0:23:00 | |
My goodness me! | 0:23:02 | 0:23:03 | |
The dirty bugger! | 0:23:04 | 0:23:06 | |
THEY LAUGH | 0:23:06 | 0:23:08 | |
The British Army saw prostitution as a necessary evil. | 0:23:10 | 0:23:14 | |
To exert some control, they procured prostitutes for their regiments. | 0:23:15 | 0:23:20 | |
Around 20 prostitutes were expected to provide sexual services | 0:23:21 | 0:23:26 | |
for up to a thousand soldiers. | 0:23:26 | 0:23:27 | |
Typically, the prostitutes were poor local women, | 0:23:29 | 0:23:33 | |
used exclusively by the troops. | 0:23:33 | 0:23:35 | |
But by the 1860s, as many as one in three soldiers, | 0:23:37 | 0:23:40 | |
like Daniel Doyle, had a sexually transmitted disease. | 0:23:40 | 0:23:44 | |
Syphilis was called the scourge of the British Army. | 0:23:45 | 0:23:49 | |
The British Medical Journal has a number of articles on how | 0:23:50 | 0:23:53 | |
they performed health inspection of the regiments. | 0:23:53 | 0:23:58 | |
With primary syphilis the symptoms are genital sores. | 0:23:58 | 0:24:02 | |
"In some regiments the men are marched in a body to the hospital. | 0:24:02 | 0:24:06 | |
"In some cases they stand in their ordinary fatigue dress, | 0:24:06 | 0:24:09 | |
"each man unbuttoning the front of his trousers | 0:24:09 | 0:24:12 | |
"and parading the genitals for the inspecting surgeon. | 0:24:12 | 0:24:15 | |
"This operation generally giving rise to suppressed manifestations of | 0:24:15 | 0:24:19 | |
"mirth, shame or indignation, but at all times, | 0:24:19 | 0:24:22 | |
"to say the least of it, humiliating and disgusting to the surgeon." | 0:24:22 | 0:24:26 | |
Oh, but of course. | 0:24:26 | 0:24:27 | |
"Sometimes the soldiers are partially or even entirely | 0:24:27 | 0:24:30 | |
"undressed or with shirt on only, the front tail of which is lifted..." | 0:24:30 | 0:24:34 | |
THEY LAUGH | 0:24:34 | 0:24:36 | |
"..as the surgeon passes down the line!" | 0:24:36 | 0:24:39 | |
Oh, it's a peculiar salute he's getting there! | 0:24:39 | 0:24:42 | |
Oh, God, when you think of how they behaved in those days. | 0:24:43 | 0:24:47 | |
It was a matter of grave concern to them, so that's why... | 0:24:47 | 0:24:51 | |
I'm sure it was, yes. | 0:24:51 | 0:24:53 | |
-And they were very keen on containing it. -Yes. | 0:24:53 | 0:24:58 | |
But it was invariably the argument that it was the woman to blame. | 0:24:58 | 0:25:03 | |
-Yes. Of course it was. -So it would be... | 0:25:03 | 0:25:06 | |
If the women were found diseased, | 0:25:06 | 0:25:09 | |
they would be sent to lock hospitals. | 0:25:09 | 0:25:12 | |
Locked up as if they were in jail? | 0:25:12 | 0:25:14 | |
Yeah. The idea to lock up the woman | 0:25:14 | 0:25:18 | |
for a period of maybe three months. | 0:25:18 | 0:25:22 | |
In an attempt to control the spread of syphilis, | 0:25:22 | 0:25:24 | |
the Army forced the prostitutes into lock hospitals | 0:25:24 | 0:25:28 | |
to undergo examination and quarantine. | 0:25:28 | 0:25:32 | |
When they were declared clean, they would be released | 0:25:32 | 0:25:36 | |
and made available to the soldiers again. | 0:25:36 | 0:25:39 | |
My goodness! | 0:25:39 | 0:25:40 | |
-All of this was conducted by men, all these examinations? -Yeah. | 0:25:40 | 0:25:43 | |
And would that be going on when Daniel was around? | 0:25:43 | 0:25:47 | |
-The lock hospitals were in operation. -Yes. | 0:25:47 | 0:25:50 | |
But just after this, | 0:25:51 | 0:25:54 | |
he got married. | 0:25:54 | 0:25:56 | |
-Oh, really? -Yeah. | 0:25:56 | 0:25:58 | |
Here is his certificate. | 0:25:58 | 0:26:00 | |
"15th June, 1869, | 0:26:02 | 0:26:06 | |
"Daniel Doyle to Margaret O'Brien." | 0:26:06 | 0:26:08 | |
-Well, the syphilis didn't stop him getting married. -No. | 0:26:11 | 0:26:14 | |
-Oh, I'm glad to hear it. -Yeah. | 0:26:14 | 0:26:16 | |
By 1873, you'll see that he was "regular, good and temperate." | 0:26:16 | 0:26:22 | |
"Regular, good and temperate." | 0:26:22 | 0:26:24 | |
Probably the marriage to Margaret O'Brien sobered him. | 0:26:24 | 0:26:28 | |
He must have got over both the syphilis and the alcoholism. | 0:26:28 | 0:26:32 | |
To become a good father and husband. | 0:26:32 | 0:26:34 | |
-Yeah. -He saw the light, | 0:26:34 | 0:26:36 | |
and married the beautiful Margaret. | 0:26:36 | 0:26:38 | |
Margaret O'Brien. | 0:26:38 | 0:26:39 | |
THEY LAUGH | 0:26:39 | 0:26:42 | |
And does it end there? | 0:26:42 | 0:26:44 | |
Yes. He went back to Britain, '78. | 0:26:44 | 0:26:48 | |
Discharged from the Army. | 0:26:48 | 0:26:50 | |
-20 years in India. -Mm. | 0:26:50 | 0:26:53 | |
Well, there we have it. | 0:26:53 | 0:26:54 | |
My syphilitic great-great-grandfather. | 0:26:56 | 0:27:00 | |
Well, thank you very much indeed. | 0:27:00 | 0:27:02 | |
Nice meeting you. | 0:27:02 | 0:27:03 | |
Oh, the pleasure's mine, I can assure you. | 0:27:03 | 0:27:05 | |
I think he was doing what lots and lots of guys were doing. | 0:27:08 | 0:27:12 | |
Getting drunk and getting laid. | 0:27:12 | 0:27:14 | |
But you don't usually see that about your great-great-grandparents. | 0:27:14 | 0:27:18 | |
They're usually all stiff and getting their picture taken. | 0:27:18 | 0:27:22 | |
But he was a real Jack-the-lad. | 0:27:22 | 0:27:23 | |
It's astonishing, once he meets Margaret he's... | 0:27:25 | 0:27:28 | |
he cleans up his act completely. | 0:27:28 | 0:27:30 | |
Either she was immensely strong or he was very strong willed. | 0:27:30 | 0:27:34 | |
The more I read about him, the more I like him. | 0:27:34 | 0:27:36 | |
He's a vulnerable guy from Ireland who's taken a little drink | 0:27:36 | 0:27:40 | |
and got in a little mess here. | 0:27:40 | 0:27:42 | |
I thought he would be fighting but there you go, I was quite close. | 0:27:43 | 0:27:48 | |
I would like to see what happens next to him. | 0:27:48 | 0:27:51 | |
I think it would be difficult for him | 0:27:51 | 0:27:53 | |
to adjust to living in the UK after living in India. | 0:27:53 | 0:27:56 | |
Freedom's quite frightening if you're not used to it. | 0:27:56 | 0:27:59 | |
-Hello, Billy. -Hello, Gillian. | 0:28:05 | 0:28:06 | |
How lovely to see you. | 0:28:06 | 0:28:08 | |
Billy has asked researcher Gillian Wright to look for | 0:28:09 | 0:28:12 | |
records about Daniel Doyle's life back in Britain. | 0:28:12 | 0:28:15 | |
Well, I think we're in luck because we have some information. | 0:28:16 | 0:28:20 | |
Great. | 0:28:20 | 0:28:22 | |
And, er, this is actually from Scotland. | 0:28:22 | 0:28:25 | |
-Oh. So they moved to Scotland? -Yes. | 0:28:25 | 0:28:27 | |
"Application For Relief." | 0:28:28 | 0:28:31 | |
No, I don't understand it. | 0:28:31 | 0:28:33 | |
Are they applying to the Government for relief or the Church? | 0:28:33 | 0:28:35 | |
-Yeah, they're applying to the, to the parish. -Oh, the parish, yeah. | 0:28:35 | 0:28:39 | |
-And it's poor relief. -Oh! | 0:28:39 | 0:28:41 | |
Which means they are very desperate. | 0:28:41 | 0:28:44 | |
My God. | 0:28:44 | 0:28:45 | |
I'm sad. | 0:28:47 | 0:28:48 | |
-I wanted him to do better than that. -Yeah. | 0:28:53 | 0:28:56 | |
And then we know that he'd had a stroke | 0:28:57 | 0:29:01 | |
and he died in 1902. | 0:29:01 | 0:29:04 | |
BILLY SIGHS | 0:29:05 | 0:29:07 | |
What a shame. | 0:29:07 | 0:29:08 | |
It's a terrible tragic end to his life. | 0:29:10 | 0:29:13 | |
-After this period, it's his wife who's applying for assistance. -Yes. | 0:29:15 | 0:29:20 | |
She's the widow of Daniel Doyle, this is Margaret, | 0:29:20 | 0:29:23 | |
and on the 28th of July, 1903, she's committed to the poorhouse. | 0:29:23 | 0:29:28 | |
-She's complaining of weak vision. -She is, yeah. | 0:29:28 | 0:29:31 | |
-God, life isn't easy for our Margaret, is it? -Not at all. | 0:29:31 | 0:29:34 | |
And then we get the final entry on the 18th September 1905 when, | 0:29:37 | 0:29:43 | |
again, she applies for relief. | 0:29:43 | 0:29:45 | |
Her life has changed radically, too. She must have been deeply depressed. | 0:29:47 | 0:29:52 | |
I mean, when she married a dashing young man... | 0:29:52 | 0:29:55 | |
She married a dashing young drunk with a history of syphilis. | 0:29:55 | 0:29:59 | |
THEY LAUGH | 0:29:59 | 0:30:02 | |
-Well, I doubt if she was aware of that. -Yeah. | 0:30:02 | 0:30:05 | |
Erm...I'm depressed about the whole affair. | 0:30:06 | 0:30:09 | |
This...this severe slope downwards. | 0:30:11 | 0:30:14 | |
But that's the last application. After that, she never applies again. | 0:30:14 | 0:30:20 | |
So perhaps then her family take responsibility for her. | 0:30:20 | 0:30:24 | |
-But we don't know. -Yeah. -So that's where her story ends here. | 0:30:24 | 0:30:28 | |
But there is, on the first page of this document, | 0:30:28 | 0:30:32 | |
something which tells us about where she began. | 0:30:32 | 0:30:35 | |
-Oh, really? -Yeah. Because they not only show the children, | 0:30:36 | 0:30:39 | |
they show the parentage, so that may interest you. | 0:30:39 | 0:30:43 | |
"Wife - Margaret O'Brien, born in East India. | 0:30:45 | 0:30:49 | |
"Daughter of John O'Brien and Matilda Allan, both dead." | 0:30:50 | 0:30:54 | |
-They're her parents. So I have a record. -You do? -I do. | 0:30:56 | 0:31:01 | |
-Of...of her father? -Of her father and for her journey in life. | 0:31:01 | 0:31:06 | |
Oh, great. | 0:31:06 | 0:31:08 | |
-Registry of Baptisms in the year 1852. -Yeah. | 0:31:08 | 0:31:12 | |
-And if you look for Margaret... -This here? -Yes, there she is. | 0:31:13 | 0:31:17 | |
"Parents' names - John and Matilda O'Brien. | 0:31:19 | 0:31:22 | |
"Rank or occupation of the father - bullock driver." | 0:31:23 | 0:31:27 | |
No, unfortunately, that would have been really fun. | 0:31:27 | 0:31:30 | |
That's the next one down. | 0:31:30 | 0:31:32 | |
Oh! THEY LAUGH | 0:31:32 | 0:31:34 | |
-"Private." -He was a private in the 1st M, | 0:31:34 | 0:31:38 | |
-which is the 1st Madras Fusiliers. -Really? -Yeah. | 0:31:38 | 0:31:42 | |
And Madras Fusiliers had been sent up north to quash the rebellion, | 0:31:42 | 0:31:47 | |
the Indian Mutiny, as they called it, the Great Rebellion. | 0:31:47 | 0:31:50 | |
That started that year. | 0:31:50 | 0:31:52 | |
-So, her father was a private in the Madras Regiment? -Yes. | 0:31:52 | 0:31:56 | |
-He would definitely be up fighting in the mutiny? -Yeah. -Oh, my God. | 0:31:56 | 0:32:02 | |
Billy has discovered his connection to India | 0:32:06 | 0:32:08 | |
goes back another generation. | 0:32:08 | 0:32:10 | |
While Daniel Doyle was stationed in the south | 0:32:12 | 0:32:14 | |
during the Great Rebellion, | 0:32:14 | 0:32:16 | |
his father-in-law, John O'Brien, was sent to the heart of the uprising. | 0:32:16 | 0:32:21 | |
You know, I didn't know I had anybody involved | 0:32:21 | 0:32:23 | |
in the Indian Mutiny, the Indian Rebellion, you know. | 0:32:23 | 0:32:26 | |
And he was actually in action. | 0:32:26 | 0:32:28 | |
And I would... I would suspect that Daniel | 0:32:28 | 0:32:32 | |
would be a wee bit in awe of him. | 0:32:32 | 0:32:34 | |
Billy is heading north to Cawnpore, where John O'Brien | 0:32:36 | 0:32:40 | |
and his regiment, the 1st Madras Fusiliers, | 0:32:40 | 0:32:43 | |
were sent in June 1857 at the height of the rebellion. | 0:32:43 | 0:32:47 | |
'Must have been a horrendous, hairy affair. | 0:32:49 | 0:32:52 | |
'Shooting and killing and smoke and flame everywhere. | 0:32:52 | 0:32:55 | |
'Was he brave? Did he run away?' | 0:32:55 | 0:32:58 | |
The rebellion was turning into a bloodbath. | 0:33:01 | 0:33:04 | |
Atrocities were taking place on both sides. | 0:33:04 | 0:33:08 | |
British officers and their families | 0:33:08 | 0:33:11 | |
had been murdered by the Indian rebels. | 0:33:11 | 0:33:13 | |
Retaliation by the British was swift and brutal. | 0:33:14 | 0:33:18 | |
Some rebels were strapped to canons and blown apart. | 0:33:18 | 0:33:22 | |
And many soldiers were ordered to shoot Indians indiscriminately | 0:33:24 | 0:33:28 | |
and burn their villages to the ground. | 0:33:28 | 0:33:30 | |
The British had lost control in major cities. | 0:33:33 | 0:33:36 | |
Now, the garrison cities of Lucknow and Cawnpore were also under attack. | 0:33:37 | 0:33:42 | |
To find out what happened to John O'Brien, | 0:33:47 | 0:33:50 | |
Billy is meeting military historian Rana Chhinna. | 0:33:50 | 0:33:52 | |
The uprising spread like wildfire. | 0:33:54 | 0:33:56 | |
It was called the Devil's Wind. | 0:33:56 | 0:33:59 | |
And the force of which John was a part | 0:33:59 | 0:34:01 | |
were desperate to reach Cawnpore | 0:34:01 | 0:34:05 | |
because they were aware that massacres had been taking place... | 0:34:05 | 0:34:08 | |
-Really? -Yeah. | 0:34:08 | 0:34:10 | |
In Cawnpore, 350 British men had already been killed by the rebels | 0:34:12 | 0:34:18 | |
but 200 women and children were still being held captive. | 0:34:18 | 0:34:22 | |
Their lives depended on John and the relief force | 0:34:24 | 0:34:27 | |
arriving before they suffered the same fate. | 0:34:27 | 0:34:30 | |
John's regiment marched over 100 miles, | 0:34:32 | 0:34:35 | |
facing fierce resistance, as they battled to reach Cawnpore. | 0:34:35 | 0:34:39 | |
And this was at the peak of summer, | 0:34:40 | 0:34:43 | |
-and they were all in their woollen redcoats. -Of course they were. | 0:34:43 | 0:34:46 | |
John would have seen his comrades dying of heat exhaustion, | 0:34:46 | 0:34:50 | |
-heat stroke, dysentery, cholera... -Oh, my God! | 0:34:50 | 0:34:54 | |
The relieving force, of which John was a part, | 0:34:57 | 0:35:00 | |
reached here just two days too late. | 0:35:00 | 0:35:02 | |
-Just two days too late? -Yes. The women and children were killed. | 0:35:02 | 0:35:06 | |
They were dragged out and thrown into the well. | 0:35:06 | 0:35:10 | |
And this is that well. | 0:35:10 | 0:35:12 | |
Just two days before John and the relief force arrived, | 0:35:13 | 0:35:17 | |
the women and children had been butchered, | 0:35:17 | 0:35:20 | |
dismembered and piled into the well. | 0:35:20 | 0:35:23 | |
Oh, my God. | 0:35:23 | 0:35:25 | |
I'm just trying to imagine my old great-great-great-grandfather | 0:35:28 | 0:35:31 | |
arriving here to see this well and this nightmarish scene. | 0:35:31 | 0:35:35 | |
Yes. If they looked into the well, they could actually... | 0:35:35 | 0:35:38 | |
-Yeah. -..see the remains. | 0:35:38 | 0:35:40 | |
It would have a profound effect on them all, never mind John, | 0:35:40 | 0:35:43 | |
-to be confronted with this when they arrived. -Yes. | 0:35:43 | 0:35:46 | |
Which would be done on purpose, of course. | 0:35:46 | 0:35:49 | |
It's a great military manoeuvre | 0:35:49 | 0:35:51 | |
to confront the approaching troops with something nightmarish. | 0:35:51 | 0:35:55 | |
And there's another thing. If you notice the bats, fruit bats? | 0:35:55 | 0:35:59 | |
-Yes. Yeah. -You know what the locals believe? | 0:35:59 | 0:36:02 | |
They believe the bats are here | 0:36:02 | 0:36:04 | |
because this is a place of tortured souls. | 0:36:04 | 0:36:07 | |
-Really? -Yeah. -Well, that's creepy! | 0:36:07 | 0:36:10 | |
It's such a delightful place, | 0:36:11 | 0:36:13 | |
it's hard to believe that such a horrible thing happened here. | 0:36:13 | 0:36:17 | |
We also have to remember that when John O'Brien got here, | 0:36:17 | 0:36:21 | |
just days after that, he became a father for the second time. | 0:36:21 | 0:36:25 | |
-And Margaret, his first daughter, was five years old. -Yeah. | 0:36:25 | 0:36:29 | |
So, to see these young children having been butchered... | 0:36:29 | 0:36:34 | |
It would mean a great deal to him. | 0:36:34 | 0:36:36 | |
-Yeah, would have had a great impact on him. -Mm. | 0:36:36 | 0:36:39 | |
Yeah. For John and his comrades, "Remember Cawnpore" | 0:36:39 | 0:36:42 | |
-became the rallying cry for them. -Really? -Yeah. | 0:36:42 | 0:36:44 | |
John's commanding officer, Colonel Neill, | 0:36:47 | 0:36:49 | |
ordered immediate punishment of those suspected | 0:36:49 | 0:36:52 | |
of taking part in the massacre. | 0:36:52 | 0:36:55 | |
"Each miscreant, after sentence of death is pronounced upon him, | 0:36:56 | 0:36:59 | |
"will be taken down to the house and questioned under a guard | 0:36:59 | 0:37:03 | |
"and will be forced into cleaning up a small portion of the blood-stains; | 0:37:03 | 0:37:08 | |
"the task will be made as revolting to his feelings as possible... | 0:37:08 | 0:37:12 | |
"After properly cleaning up his portion, | 0:37:12 | 0:37:15 | |
"the culprit is to be immediately hanged | 0:37:15 | 0:37:18 | |
"and for this purpose a gallows will be erected close at hand." | 0:37:18 | 0:37:22 | |
Oh, my God! | 0:37:22 | 0:37:24 | |
The suspects were forced to clean up | 0:37:24 | 0:37:27 | |
the victims' blood with their tongues. | 0:37:27 | 0:37:30 | |
As further humiliation, | 0:37:30 | 0:37:32 | |
and in violation of their religious beliefs, | 0:37:32 | 0:37:35 | |
Muslims were forced to eat pork | 0:37:35 | 0:37:37 | |
and Hindus to eat beef before being hanged. | 0:37:37 | 0:37:41 | |
He was not concerned whether they were guilty or innocent. | 0:37:43 | 0:37:46 | |
It didn't matter to him. | 0:37:46 | 0:37:48 | |
-So, he... John would be part of this? -Yes. Very much so. | 0:37:48 | 0:37:52 | |
-Enforcing this? -Yes. -Oh, dear. | 0:37:52 | 0:37:55 | |
John O'Brien would have been part of that, yeah. | 0:37:57 | 0:38:00 | |
One of the officers said, | 0:38:00 | 0:38:02 | |
"Every day the trees are ripe with the fruits of rebellion," | 0:38:02 | 0:38:06 | |
and he was talking about the corpses that were strung up. | 0:38:06 | 0:38:08 | |
-Yes, hanging. -Yeah. | 0:38:08 | 0:38:10 | |
-My God! Neill, guy's a sadist, isn't he? -He was very brutal. | 0:38:11 | 0:38:17 | |
-I don't know what to think about that. -Yeah. | 0:38:19 | 0:38:22 | |
-We didn't get this history at school. -No. No. | 0:38:22 | 0:38:26 | |
The way I see it, my great-great-great-grandfather | 0:38:28 | 0:38:32 | |
was a very nice man who was lorded over by Mr Neill. | 0:38:32 | 0:38:37 | |
He probably just was a private, doing what he was told. | 0:38:37 | 0:38:39 | |
Private soldiers have to do exactly what they were told to do. | 0:38:39 | 0:38:43 | |
With the horrors of Cawnpore fresh in their minds, | 0:38:44 | 0:38:48 | |
John and the relief force were ordered to march 50 miles | 0:38:48 | 0:38:51 | |
to Lucknow, where a massacre on an even greater scale was threatened. | 0:38:51 | 0:38:56 | |
2,000 British soldiers and civilians | 0:38:58 | 0:39:01 | |
had sought refuge in the British headquarters called the Residency. | 0:39:01 | 0:39:05 | |
Surrounded by rebels, and under constant attack, | 0:39:06 | 0:39:09 | |
they were desperate to be rescued. | 0:39:09 | 0:39:12 | |
With thousands of civilians now supporting the rebel soldiers, | 0:39:15 | 0:39:18 | |
the relief force suffered heavy losses in the battle | 0:39:18 | 0:39:23 | |
to break through enemy lines and reach the Residency. | 0:39:23 | 0:39:26 | |
This was the main gate | 0:39:29 | 0:39:31 | |
-and this was the gate that John would have come through. -Yes. | 0:39:31 | 0:39:34 | |
And, of course, he would have fought his way to here. | 0:39:34 | 0:39:37 | |
They were fighting every inch of the way. | 0:39:37 | 0:39:39 | |
God, it's remarkable to think I'm walking up the same road | 0:39:39 | 0:39:42 | |
as my great-great-great-grandfather walked up. | 0:39:42 | 0:39:45 | |
When John and his relief force finally arrived in late September, | 0:39:45 | 0:39:50 | |
the Siege of Lucknow had been raging for three months. | 0:39:50 | 0:39:54 | |
This was a proper battle ground of... | 0:39:54 | 0:39:57 | |
You can see where that one's been hit with heavy artillery, | 0:39:57 | 0:39:59 | |
-just up at the top there. -That's right. | 0:39:59 | 0:40:02 | |
-24 hours a day under fire. -Yes. | 0:40:02 | 0:40:05 | |
There is a contemporary print. | 0:40:07 | 0:40:10 | |
Oh, yes. That's great. | 0:40:12 | 0:40:14 | |
-I'm just trying to imagine, with the cheering. -Yes. | 0:40:16 | 0:40:19 | |
There's an account. | 0:40:19 | 0:40:21 | |
-A Lady's Diary Of The Siege Of Lucknow. -Yeah. The extract. | 0:40:21 | 0:40:25 | |
"Yesterday evening, on the 88th day of the siege, | 0:40:25 | 0:40:28 | |
"our long-looked for and so often despaired of 'relief' arrived. | 0:40:28 | 0:40:33 | |
"Never shall I forget the moment to the latest day I live. | 0:40:33 | 0:40:38 | |
"The big, rough-bearded soldiers were seizing the little children | 0:40:38 | 0:40:41 | |
"out of our arms, kissing them with tears rolling down their cheeks, | 0:40:41 | 0:40:45 | |
"and thanking God they had come in time | 0:40:45 | 0:40:48 | |
"to save them from the fate of those at Cawnpore." | 0:40:48 | 0:40:51 | |
God, that must have been a party! | 0:40:51 | 0:40:53 | |
That's wonderful. | 0:40:54 | 0:40:56 | |
So, did any fighting continue in here? | 0:40:58 | 0:41:00 | |
Yes. You see, you have to remember the numbers were so few | 0:41:00 | 0:41:04 | |
and they were surrounded by a force of 8,000 to 10,000 men. | 0:41:04 | 0:41:09 | |
-Really? -There was no way that they could actually battle their way out. | 0:41:09 | 0:41:13 | |
-Couldn't get out. -Couldn't get out. | 0:41:13 | 0:41:15 | |
And they would be a weight on the food and all that, and the resources. | 0:41:15 | 0:41:19 | |
Yes. Yes, cos you know, they had marched in as... | 0:41:19 | 0:41:21 | |
-The great saviours. -..the great saviours. | 0:41:21 | 0:41:24 | |
And then the relievers became part of the besieged. | 0:41:24 | 0:41:27 | |
God! It's never ending. | 0:41:29 | 0:41:33 | |
We have an account by one of the officers of the Madras Fusiliers. | 0:41:33 | 0:41:37 | |
"Instead of affording any great relief to this unfortunate | 0:41:39 | 0:41:42 | |
"garrison of Lucknow, I am writing one week after our entrance. | 0:41:42 | 0:41:45 | |
"We are almost as badly off as the garrison | 0:41:45 | 0:41:48 | |
"and with few supplies left - daily fighting, daily loss. | 0:41:48 | 0:41:52 | |
"But such a scene of filth mixed up with costly things, | 0:41:52 | 0:41:55 | |
"it's impossible to imagine. | 0:41:55 | 0:41:57 | |
"The finest china used by soldiers of the force, | 0:41:57 | 0:42:00 | |
"all this mixed up with dead bodies until the stench is so great | 0:42:00 | 0:42:04 | |
"we can hardly sit - and no-one to remove all this filth. | 0:42:04 | 0:42:07 | |
"Our force is so small, nothing more can really be done." | 0:42:07 | 0:42:11 | |
-Oh, my God! -Conditions were growing... | 0:42:11 | 0:42:14 | |
-Worse and worse. -..worse and worse. | 0:42:14 | 0:42:16 | |
And these are events that John O'Brien was definitely | 0:42:16 | 0:42:20 | |
-a part of and would have seen first-hand. -Yes. | 0:42:20 | 0:42:22 | |
With rebels pounding the Residency with artillery fire, | 0:42:26 | 0:42:30 | |
casualties inside were mounting daily. | 0:42:30 | 0:42:33 | |
The banqueting hall was turned into a hospital. | 0:42:34 | 0:42:37 | |
As a matter of fact, we know John O'Brien was wounded. | 0:42:38 | 0:42:44 | |
If you look at that, it says, "O'Brien, John..." | 0:42:44 | 0:42:48 | |
"Severe gunshot." Does that say wound? | 0:42:49 | 0:42:52 | |
-Yeah, wound... -Yes, left shoulder. -..of left shoulder. | 0:42:52 | 0:42:55 | |
And now, in those days without anaesthetic, | 0:42:55 | 0:42:58 | |
-you can imagine what he must have gone through. -Yes. | 0:42:58 | 0:43:01 | |
My God! | 0:43:03 | 0:43:05 | |
People dying all around him, would have been blood everywhere. | 0:43:05 | 0:43:09 | |
Must have thought his chances were pretty small of getting out of here. | 0:43:09 | 0:43:12 | |
And hundreds of people in here. | 0:43:12 | 0:43:14 | |
It must have been an extraordinarily place. | 0:43:14 | 0:43:17 | |
This place would have seen a lot of suffering. | 0:43:19 | 0:43:21 | |
Must have been unimaginable torture for them. | 0:43:21 | 0:43:23 | |
It would have been awful. | 0:43:23 | 0:43:25 | |
And lying in a hospital here, unable to do anything. | 0:43:25 | 0:43:29 | |
He must have thought his chances were pretty small | 0:43:29 | 0:43:31 | |
of getting out of here. | 0:43:31 | 0:43:33 | |
On November 17th, nearly six months after the siege first began, | 0:43:36 | 0:43:41 | |
a larger relief force came to the rescue. | 0:43:41 | 0:43:44 | |
John's ordeal was finally over. | 0:43:47 | 0:43:50 | |
The defence of Lucknow became the pinnacle | 0:43:53 | 0:43:55 | |
-of the British Imperial achievement. -Yeah. | 0:43:55 | 0:43:58 | |
So, for John to have been present at this key moment | 0:43:58 | 0:44:02 | |
in British Imperial history was huge. | 0:44:02 | 0:44:04 | |
Extraordinary, yeah. | 0:44:04 | 0:44:06 | |
If it was an American you would say he was one of the guys | 0:44:06 | 0:44:10 | |
who was present at the Alamo. | 0:44:10 | 0:44:12 | |
That is a medal roll and there he is, Private John O'Brien, 2252. | 0:44:15 | 0:44:22 | |
-Top of the list. -And it says, | 0:44:22 | 0:44:26 | |
"Entitled to a clasp for the defence of Lucknow." | 0:44:26 | 0:44:29 | |
Rana has a replica of the medal John O'Brien would have received. | 0:44:31 | 0:44:34 | |
My goodness! | 0:44:36 | 0:44:38 | |
-That's a lovely thing, isn't it? -It is. -Yeah. -Yeah. | 0:44:38 | 0:44:42 | |
That's amazing. Good on him. | 0:44:42 | 0:44:44 | |
It wasn't just British soldiers like John O'Brien | 0:44:47 | 0:44:50 | |
who were decorated for their part in defending Lucknow. | 0:44:50 | 0:44:53 | |
Over 700 Indian soldiers remained loyal | 0:44:53 | 0:44:57 | |
to the British during the siege. | 0:44:57 | 0:44:59 | |
Every Indian member of the garrison was subsequently admitted | 0:44:59 | 0:45:03 | |
to the Order of Merit, which was the highest gallantry award. | 0:45:03 | 0:45:06 | |
-Really? -Yeah. | 0:45:06 | 0:45:08 | |
It was the Indian equivalent of the Victoria Cross which they gave them. | 0:45:08 | 0:45:11 | |
That's wonderful. | 0:45:11 | 0:45:13 | |
I think he would have been quite proud. | 0:45:15 | 0:45:17 | |
And quite delighted to have survived. | 0:45:18 | 0:45:21 | |
My God! | 0:45:21 | 0:45:23 | |
What a guy! | 0:45:24 | 0:45:26 | |
When I think of what his eyes must have seen was a disgraceful act. | 0:45:31 | 0:45:35 | |
And it must have been terrible for him, | 0:45:37 | 0:45:39 | |
having seen the massacre in Cawnpore, | 0:45:39 | 0:45:41 | |
then coming here and wondering | 0:45:41 | 0:45:43 | |
what was happening to his wife and two children. | 0:45:43 | 0:45:46 | |
But he came through it all and he won a medal. | 0:45:46 | 0:45:50 | |
On one hand it's valorous because you did your job extremely well. | 0:45:50 | 0:45:54 | |
But was your job really worth doing? It has to be questioned. | 0:45:55 | 0:45:59 | |
It's very easy for the likes of me to sit here and say that. | 0:46:00 | 0:46:04 | |
He lived in a completely different world. | 0:46:04 | 0:46:07 | |
Where we had an Empire that had to be looked after | 0:46:07 | 0:46:09 | |
and he was there to keep India British. | 0:46:09 | 0:46:13 | |
You know, it's dead easy for me sitting here, Joe the hippy, | 0:46:13 | 0:46:17 | |
"Peace and love and save the whale." | 0:46:17 | 0:46:20 | |
But when you're there, it's a different sausage. | 0:46:20 | 0:46:23 | |
Regaining Lucknow was a turning point for the British. | 0:46:28 | 0:46:31 | |
But it took them another six months | 0:46:31 | 0:46:34 | |
to finally quash the Great Rebellion, | 0:46:34 | 0:46:36 | |
or as many Indians called it, their First War of Independence. | 0:46:36 | 0:46:41 | |
In 1858, the East India Company was dissolved. | 0:46:42 | 0:46:46 | |
The British Crown took direct control | 0:46:46 | 0:46:49 | |
and many soldiers returned to Britain. | 0:46:49 | 0:46:51 | |
John O'Brien was wounded in the Great Rebellion, | 0:46:53 | 0:46:56 | |
and Billy wants to know what happened to him. | 0:46:56 | 0:46:58 | |
I've been looking at some records here. | 0:46:59 | 0:47:02 | |
General Orders. Is this him here? | 0:47:02 | 0:47:05 | |
Yes, that's him there, right there, yeah. | 0:47:05 | 0:47:07 | |
-"Pension - one shilling and six pence." -Yeah. | 0:47:07 | 0:47:10 | |
-So that's him being pensioned out of the Army. -Yeah. | 0:47:10 | 0:47:13 | |
1859. So that's just two years after the Relief of Lucknow. | 0:47:13 | 0:47:17 | |
That's right. | 0:47:17 | 0:47:19 | |
So he wouldn't be living very high on the hog, would he, | 0:47:19 | 0:47:22 | |
to live on a shilling and six pence? | 0:47:22 | 0:47:25 | |
But for that point of time it was a good amount | 0:47:25 | 0:47:28 | |
-and he could have lived quite comfortably. -Really? -Yeah. | 0:47:28 | 0:47:31 | |
So, do you think he would have been invalided out? | 0:47:31 | 0:47:34 | |
Yeah, because he was wounded. | 0:47:34 | 0:47:36 | |
Yes, his left shoulder, he was badly wounded. | 0:47:36 | 0:47:39 | |
Yeah, so probably he couldn't serve any more, | 0:47:39 | 0:47:41 | |
which is why he was pensioned off. | 0:47:41 | 0:47:43 | |
And since this was at the Siege of Lucknow it was probably just... | 0:47:43 | 0:47:47 | |
-Since he's proved his loyalty to the British... -Yes. | 0:47:47 | 0:47:50 | |
It was like a mark of the service rendered that they gave him | 0:47:50 | 0:47:53 | |
-that higher amount of pension. -Oh, yeah. | 0:47:53 | 0:47:56 | |
-Yeah. So they appreciated the service that he gave them. -Yes. | 0:47:56 | 0:48:02 | |
It also mentions where he chose to reside after being pensioned. | 0:48:02 | 0:48:07 | |
-And it was Bangalore. -Yeah. -Oh, he's chosen to live in India. | 0:48:07 | 0:48:11 | |
-That's correct, yeah. -Oh, I like that. | 0:48:11 | 0:48:13 | |
Yeah, that's interesting because most of the others chose to go back. | 0:48:13 | 0:48:16 | |
Yes. "England, England, England..." | 0:48:16 | 0:48:19 | |
So he's gone and settled in Bangalore. | 0:48:19 | 0:48:22 | |
And is there any information how long he stayed there? | 0:48:22 | 0:48:26 | |
-Yeah. So if you would look at this. -Baptisms. I can't make out the date. | 0:48:26 | 0:48:32 | |
-1864. -So he has more children at this point. | 0:48:32 | 0:48:36 | |
-We have another baptism record. -1866. -That's right. | 0:48:36 | 0:48:42 | |
-I have another record as well for you. -1872. -Mm-hm. | 0:48:42 | 0:48:46 | |
-More babies! It's the climate! -Yeah. | 0:48:46 | 0:48:49 | |
Yeah, you can blame it on the climate, yeah. | 0:48:49 | 0:48:53 | |
And probably being a pensioner, he had a lot of time on his hands! | 0:48:53 | 0:48:56 | |
THEY LAUGH | 0:48:56 | 0:48:58 | |
BIRDS SQUAWK Even the birds find it funny! | 0:48:58 | 0:49:03 | |
But I kind of like the fact that he stayed in India, | 0:49:03 | 0:49:05 | |
and the children growing up in Bangalore would have had a nice time. | 0:49:05 | 0:49:09 | |
Yes, they would. | 0:49:09 | 0:49:11 | |
I was hoping one of the girls would marry a maharajah. | 0:49:11 | 0:49:14 | |
THEY LAUGH | 0:49:14 | 0:49:17 | |
-Don't we all! -THEY LAUGH | 0:49:17 | 0:49:20 | |
I was hoping to marry a maharajah too! | 0:49:20 | 0:49:23 | |
-Well, thank you very much indeed. -My pleasure. | 0:49:25 | 0:49:28 | |
Billy knows Mary Doyle and her mother, Margaret, | 0:49:31 | 0:49:35 | |
were both born in India. | 0:49:35 | 0:49:37 | |
Now he wants to know if Matilda and her parents | 0:49:38 | 0:49:42 | |
take his connection to the country back another generation. | 0:49:42 | 0:49:45 | |
Hello. You're Rajesh? I'm Billy Connolly. | 0:49:53 | 0:49:57 | |
I'd like to know if you have any records pertaining | 0:49:57 | 0:49:59 | |
to my great-great-great-grandfather John O'Brien and his wife Matilda? | 0:49:59 | 0:50:05 | |
You can take a look of marriage and baptism records from 1840s. | 0:50:05 | 0:50:09 | |
-Oh, that sounds great, yeah. -So, these are the registers. | 0:50:09 | 0:50:13 | |
Thank you very much. | 0:50:14 | 0:50:16 | |
Well, I think I'll do the marriages first. | 0:50:16 | 0:50:19 | |
So, I look for O'Brien. | 0:50:21 | 0:50:23 | |
Golly, this is hard. | 0:50:27 | 0:50:30 | |
Oh, this is a minefield! | 0:50:31 | 0:50:34 | |
Holy moley! | 0:50:35 | 0:50:37 | |
If Margaret was born in 1852... | 0:50:40 | 0:50:42 | |
..I go back to... Where am I? | 0:50:45 | 0:50:48 | |
Bingo! | 0:50:50 | 0:50:52 | |
John O'Brien, 1st Madras Fusiliers. | 0:50:54 | 0:50:57 | |
Matilda Ellen. | 0:50:58 | 0:51:01 | |
Date of Marriage - 16th of July 1845. | 0:51:01 | 0:51:05 | |
Matilda. I don't know where she came from. | 0:51:07 | 0:51:10 | |
There's no information about her parents. | 0:51:11 | 0:51:15 | |
Married 1845, in July. | 0:51:15 | 0:51:18 | |
Billy's searching for Matilda's baptism record, | 0:51:19 | 0:51:23 | |
which may hold more clues. | 0:51:23 | 0:51:25 | |
Baptised... I'm just presuming she was baptised here. | 0:51:25 | 0:51:29 | |
Matilda Allan. | 0:51:40 | 0:51:43 | |
She was baptised on 20th of May 1845 in Bangalore. | 0:51:43 | 0:51:50 | |
The parents - there's no information, surname or nothing. | 0:51:53 | 0:51:57 | |
Hang on. | 0:52:00 | 0:52:02 | |
The 20th June... | 0:52:02 | 0:52:05 | |
And she's married in July. | 0:52:05 | 0:52:07 | |
So, this is obviously to make her a Catholic... | 0:52:07 | 0:52:10 | |
..so that he can marry her. | 0:52:12 | 0:52:14 | |
There's no other information. | 0:52:14 | 0:52:17 | |
I wonder if she was pregnant. | 0:52:17 | 0:52:19 | |
Date of birth - 1832. | 0:52:21 | 0:52:24 | |
If she was born in 1832 and married in 1845... | 0:52:24 | 0:52:27 | |
13? | 0:52:30 | 0:52:33 | |
That cannae be right, surely! | 0:52:33 | 0:52:35 | |
Date of birth - 1832. Date of Marriage - 1845. | 0:52:38 | 0:52:43 | |
Surely she wasn't married when she was 13! | 0:52:44 | 0:52:47 | |
Doesn't make any sense. | 0:52:50 | 0:52:52 | |
It doesn't even say where she was born. | 0:52:52 | 0:52:56 | |
God Almighty! | 0:52:56 | 0:52:58 | |
Really shocked me. | 0:52:58 | 0:53:00 | |
I'm astonished. | 0:53:03 | 0:53:05 | |
Absolutely astonished to find that | 0:53:05 | 0:53:08 | |
my great-great-great-grandfather married a 13-year-old girl. | 0:53:08 | 0:53:13 | |
I had to do the math. | 0:53:13 | 0:53:15 | |
Between 1932 and '45, it's not difficult. | 0:53:15 | 0:53:18 | |
My brain kept saying, "No, that makes her 13, don't be ridiculous!" | 0:53:18 | 0:53:23 | |
Was it legal in 1845? | 0:53:23 | 0:53:25 | |
I'm trying not to be judgmental. Maybe it was absolutely normal. | 0:53:25 | 0:53:29 | |
It's kind of playing havoc with my mind. | 0:53:31 | 0:53:34 | |
That's a nice colour, isn't it? The sari. | 0:53:34 | 0:53:37 | |
-Hi, Richard. -Hello, Billy. | 0:53:42 | 0:53:44 | |
-Nice to see you. -So good to meet you. | 0:53:44 | 0:53:46 | |
Billy is meeting local historian Richard O'Connor | 0:53:46 | 0:53:49 | |
at the exclusive Bangalore Club. | 0:53:49 | 0:53:51 | |
My God, this is quite the place, isn't it? Very posh. | 0:53:51 | 0:53:56 | |
-It is. -This is the India that used to be, the British Raj India. | 0:53:56 | 0:53:59 | |
-In fact, it's nearly 150 years old. -Really? -Yes. | 0:53:59 | 0:54:03 | |
We are entering the men's bar now. | 0:54:03 | 0:54:06 | |
This was meant for the officers of the British Army. | 0:54:06 | 0:54:09 | |
Richard, in 1845 my great-great-great-grandparents | 0:54:12 | 0:54:16 | |
were married here in Bangalore. John and Matilda O'Brien. | 0:54:16 | 0:54:20 | |
But it would appear that Matilda was only 13 years of age | 0:54:20 | 0:54:23 | |
and she was baptised a month before the wedding. | 0:54:23 | 0:54:26 | |
Do you know if it was legal to get married at 13? | 0:54:26 | 0:54:29 | |
Could you cast any light on it for me? | 0:54:29 | 0:54:31 | |
Well, to do that, Billy, we'll have to look at the records | 0:54:31 | 0:54:35 | |
of John and Matilda's children. | 0:54:35 | 0:54:38 | |
This is the marriage of one of the daughters, Mary. | 0:54:38 | 0:54:42 | |
Mary O'Brien. | 0:54:44 | 0:54:46 | |
-It says about Mary is East Indian. East Indian? -East Indian. | 0:54:48 | 0:54:52 | |
I don't know what that means. | 0:54:54 | 0:54:56 | |
-Have you heard of this name? -East Indian? -Before, yeah? | 0:54:56 | 0:55:01 | |
Matilda was European, wasn't she? | 0:55:01 | 0:55:04 | |
Matilda Allan. The wife of John O'Brien. | 0:55:05 | 0:55:09 | |
-But look what it says. -East Indian. -East Indian. | 0:55:09 | 0:55:12 | |
It's not European. East Indian means Anglo-Indian. | 0:55:14 | 0:55:19 | |
-Anglo-Indian. -This means that her father was European, | 0:55:19 | 0:55:24 | |
in this case British, and her mother was Indian. | 0:55:24 | 0:55:27 | |
-Lordy, lordy! -There we go. | 0:55:27 | 0:55:30 | |
-Well, well, well! -All along you've been thinking she's European? | 0:55:33 | 0:55:36 | |
-Yes, I thought she was European! -It's here on record. | 0:55:36 | 0:55:40 | |
While the children are Anglo-Indian, the mother was definitely Indian. | 0:55:40 | 0:55:43 | |
Indian! HE LAUGHS | 0:55:43 | 0:55:47 | |
This is ridiculous! Indian! That's wonderful. | 0:55:47 | 0:55:52 | |
And that explains the 13 years of age marriage, doesn't it? | 0:55:52 | 0:55:56 | |
And she's converted to Christianity. | 0:55:56 | 0:55:59 | |
Converted to Christianity because she got baptised. | 0:55:59 | 0:56:02 | |
-Yeah, a month before their wedding. -Just a month before her wedding. | 0:56:02 | 0:56:05 | |
-And normally Anglo-Indians get baptised soon after birth. -Mm-hm. | 0:56:05 | 0:56:10 | |
-All these records show that definitely Matilda was Indian. -Yeah. | 0:56:10 | 0:56:18 | |
Well, that would have helped in his decision to stay here, wouldn't it? | 0:56:20 | 0:56:23 | |
-If your wife's Indian, makes the decision very easy. -Yes. | 0:56:23 | 0:56:27 | |
I'm still absolutely amazed that Matilda was an Indian. | 0:56:27 | 0:56:31 | |
I'm very pleased. I'm very pleased to have Indian blood in the family. | 0:56:33 | 0:56:37 | |
-It just takes my breath away. -You must be having relatives in India. | 0:56:37 | 0:56:41 | |
I'm glad somebody diligent kept these record the way they are. | 0:56:47 | 0:56:52 | |
It's given me another family I didn't know about. | 0:56:52 | 0:56:55 | |
I think it's wonderful. I'm very pleased. | 0:56:55 | 0:56:58 | |
-Oh, nice to hear that. -Can't wait to tell my children. | 0:56:58 | 0:57:01 | |
Three generations born in India. HE LAUGHS | 0:57:05 | 0:57:08 | |
It's just... It's just such a huge thing not to know. | 0:57:08 | 0:57:12 | |
I would love to think I behaved like John O'Brien, | 0:57:14 | 0:57:18 | |
who's a soldier, proud and true. | 0:57:18 | 0:57:22 | |
But if I had to really look in the mirror and own up, | 0:57:22 | 0:57:25 | |
I'm much more like Daniel Doyle. | 0:57:25 | 0:57:27 | |
As a matter of fact, I sent an e-mail to my manager during this shoot | 0:57:27 | 0:57:32 | |
and told him one of my ancestors, Daniel Doyle, | 0:57:32 | 0:57:34 | |
peed too often and he's an alcoholic, you know, and he had syphilis. | 0:57:34 | 0:57:40 | |
HE LAUGHS | 0:57:40 | 0:57:42 | |
He sent me an e-mail back saying... | 0:57:42 | 0:57:46 | |
"An incontinent alcoholic mad shagger? | 0:57:47 | 0:57:50 | |
"You're got a chip off the old block!" | 0:57:50 | 0:57:52 | |
HE LAUGHS | 0:57:52 | 0:57:53 | |
I'm very proud and happy to be part Indian. It's lovely. | 0:57:55 | 0:57:59 | |
No matter how small the part is. | 0:57:59 | 0:58:01 | |
But I still feel very Scottish. | 0:58:02 | 0:58:04 | |
When anybody writes about me they always put the word "Scottish" in. | 0:58:04 | 0:58:08 | |
"Big Scottish comedian." | 0:58:08 | 0:58:11 | |
"Scottish" is right across my forehead. | 0:58:11 | 0:58:14 | |
You know, I'm a Glaswegian, Scottish person | 0:58:15 | 0:58:19 | |
and that will remain till the day I die. | 0:58:19 | 0:58:22 | |
But in my heart I have... I have a little bit of India. | 0:58:23 | 0:58:26 | |
And I'm going to keep it very close to me. | 0:58:28 | 0:58:31 |