Alex Kingston Who Do You Think You Are?


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Actress Alex Kingston is best known for the formidable characters

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she's played on British and American television.

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I suppose the roles I play, ultimately, they're strong females.

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They're not necessarily victims.

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I think I come across as quite strong as a person,

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but, actually, I'm quite vulnerable.

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Alex lives in Los Angeles,

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but when work brings her back to the UK,

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she often stays with her sister Nicola in Surrey.

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At the moment, I'm a single mum,

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and I'm sort of living in America and here.

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My daughter, certainly at the moment, is in America

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and that's where she's living and what she knows.

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And I very much feel because my life is so unstable,

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finding out about our roots

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makes me feel as though I'm keeping us held together.

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I always felt that I DID know my family,

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but because I know I'm doing this,

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I realise that actually I don't.

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I don't really know anything about any of them.

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Today, I'm making my way to my parents' home.

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And it's ironic, really,

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that I'm seeking this

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at a time when actually, personally,

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erm, I feel rather adrift.

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And it's really becoming quite important to me

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that, at this moment in my life,

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I sort of really know who my family are, where my roots are.

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Alex and her two younger sisters were raised by their German mother, Margarethe,

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and English father, Tony, in Surrey, where they still live today.

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It's the English side of the family that Alex knows least about.

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-Hello.

-Hi. Hello. How are you?

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-I'm good. How are you?

-Fine.

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-Oh, hello!

-How lovely to see you.

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-Nice to see you.

-You brought sunshine, look!

-I know.

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-It was raining, pouring with rain, this morning.

-Yeah.

-Come on in.

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Ah, so I see you've got the... got the photos out already.

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Yes.

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This is you and Nicola.

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And I think you were about 12 here.

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-Yeah, if Nicola's about five.

-Yeah.

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-Who do you think that is?

-That's not Daddy?

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-Yeah!

-Wow!

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That is me. That was me and my mother.

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-Is that Mitty?

-Yeah, that's Mitty.

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-Look at the hair!

-Gosh, that's incredible.

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-Your hair is exactly like mine was when I was little.

-I know! That's it!

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-You've got to thank your genes for me.

-Yes, yes! To you.

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I do. I have to thank you for my curls.

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One thing that I've had people, erm,

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ask me, erm, in the past...

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Because I suppose I don't have, erm,

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a particularly, erm, English face...

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I've been questioned and asked whether I am Jewish.

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-Or sometimes people have assumed I'm Jewish.

-Really?

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-Was Mitty Jewish?

-I don't know, but...

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She never told me, particularly,

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but I do remember a slight rumour going round.

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But it never got any further than a rumour, so I don't have any absolute knowledge...

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-No, no.

-..Of it at all.

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Alex's paternal grandmother, known in the family as Mitty,

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died in 2008.

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Alex never had the chance to ask her about their possible Jewish roots.

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But the family does have a few mementos of her father,

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Alex's great-grandfather.

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This nice picture here, that is my grandfather William.

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And on his lap...

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is my mother.

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And he was killed...

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in the First World War.

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And so my grandmother didn't marry again.

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And she came and lived with my father and mother.

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-So you never met him?

-I never met him, no.

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He was a photographer.

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-He was a photographer?

-He was a photographer.

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-Wow! I didn't know that.

-And, er...

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-You might be interested in seeing...

-He had his own business, you know.

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..Some of his photographs.

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This is one.

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-It's a self-portrait.

-That's a self-portrait.

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Oh, my gosh!

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-Good looking, wasn't he?

-Yeah.

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This is another shot that he took of his, er, son...

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Who's Bernard.

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-Bern, Uncle Bern.

-Oh, wow!

-That's a lovely shot, isn't it?

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And he had a photographic business, I believe.

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The little toes are so cute.

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-And the little toga.

-Yeah.

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Very, very lovely.

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This is, er, the record of, er, my grandfather

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during the First World War.

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And he was in the RE,

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-which is the Royal Engineers.

-Hm-mm.

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And rank - SPR.

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That may be sapper.

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Funny we never knew much about the Keevil side, did we?

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No.

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Erm, but I suppose your mother didn't talk much about it?

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-No, they didn't, no.

-No.

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I think my brother, Bernard, has some other facts about...

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-Bernard.

-..About them, as well.

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Alex wants to know more about her great-grandfather, William Keevil,

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and how his wife, Nan, and their young family coped after his death in the First World War.

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Hello!

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Alex has come to see her Uncle Bernard in Kent.

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-Welcome.

-Thank you.

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-It's been too long.

-I know. Nice to see you.

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Lovely to see you. Lovely to see you. Do come in. Do come in.

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-Thank you.

-There you go.

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I feel I must show you this very precious document,

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which I've been guarding for a number of years now, and discovered by chance really.

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Erm, it was found amongst Nan's possessions, in a drawer.

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OK.

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-That's the address.

-That's the address.

-32, Santos Road.

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Wandsworth.

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It starts here.

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"Regret to inform you, officer commanding...

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BOTH: "55th Field Ambulance, France.

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-"Reports 11th August..."

-And that's...

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That's his number, isn't it? "Keevil..."

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-W... It's W H Keevil.

-"Keevil."

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"Royal Engineers."

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"..Engineers, died 7th August, gunshot wound.

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"Left...thigh."

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So you've got...

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What year was that? Hang on, what year?

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Well, that was 1917. So that was the notification to Nan

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-that he died on the 7th August.

-Hm-mm.

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This is a copy of the Certificate of Death.

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-It just says he died of wounds.

-Yes.

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Near Dickebusch, Belgium.

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But what moved me... I always find it very moving, very moving.

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Because...

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She must have ripped that open, you know,

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in, in a sort of terrible anguish.

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When she received that, Bern was 16, Billy was 10,

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and my mother was four.

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So there she was, you know, a single mother,

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erm, faced with this awful news.

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BUT she put her head down in 32, Santos Road,

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and started taking in lodgers to make ends meet.

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Erm, supported by the war pension, war widow's pension, which wouldn't have been great.

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I suppose I'm left wondering

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in what capacity he joined the Great War.

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Potentially, he might have taken photographs.

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And so I want to now know more about William's career.

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And also what made him choose photography.

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Does the interest in the arts and certainly in a NEW form of art...

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Erm, does that go even back further?

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-Mm.

-So that would be really...

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It would be a wonderful thing to find out.

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Alex has come to Wandsworth, South London,

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where William Keevil's family lived at 32, Santos Road

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at the time they heard the news of his death.

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She's on her way to the Battersea Library to investigate her great-grandfather's

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pre-war career as a photographer.

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Local history archivist Ruth MacLeod has been collecting records for William Keevil.

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-Got some certificates for you.

-OK.

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-So this is actually the earliest of the ones we've got.

-Right.

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So this is 1875.

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Gosh!

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William was born on the 7th November.

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So that's his name there. So it's William Henry.

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-William Henry.

-And then his parents' names. Walter Keevil.

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-Walter Keevil and Ellen Keevil.

-Ellen Keevil, formerly Law.

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-Formerly Law.

-And then there's his father's occupation.

-Lawyer's clerk.

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-So that's kind of lower middle class, really.

-Yeah, yeah.

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So we've also had a look on the Census for 1891.

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And we can have a look at what he was doing a few years later.

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-So...

-William...

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-William there is 15.

-And he's working as well.

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-Cos that's his occupation.

-At 15, he's a lantern slide maker.

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Yeah.

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I just wonder what it was that made him so fascinated in images.

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I was thinking that maybe the father or the mother might have...

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might have been an artist or might have had some connection.

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-A kind of following in somebody's footsteps.

-Yes.

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Yes. Because on the whole, that's what one would do, I would imagine.

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It's fascinating that he was a lawyer's clerk, but yet...

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William's a lantern slide maker. That's fascinating.

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The next thing I've got is actually the 1911 Census.

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Have a look. So there he is.

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And he's now described as being a magic lantern slide manufacturer.

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Yeah. That's right.

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And a little bit further over,

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it tells you whether they're an employer or whether they're working.

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-Yes.

-And that says "own account".

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-Yes. So that means this is his own business?

-Yeah.

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It's like being freelance I think, effectively.

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The next thing I've got for you is a 1912 birth certificate.

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And that's Mitty. That's my grandmother.

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-And he's now described as a photographer.

-Yes.

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So he's certainly worked through his training

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and he's now an official photographer.

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Thank you so much.

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I'm so thrilled that I'm finding all of this out. It's wonderful.

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So, erm, he definitely had a passion for photography.

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And, erm, when he's 15-years-old, in 1891,

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-he's already, what's referred to as a "lantern slide maker", so...

-Yeah.

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-I would say that's probably photography.

-I would imagine so.

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They just use a different term for it, but it's probably the same thing.

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-It sounds like they're connected.

-Yes.

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But you might want to talk to somebody who knows a bit more about photography and the history of it.

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I really do want to find out a little bit more about William's career,

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because he was working as a photographer

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in one form or another for 20 years.

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So I'd like to know a little bit about what that work would have encompassed.

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Alex has come to the National Media Museum in Bradford.

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She's here to meet photographic historian Michael Pritchard.

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I am learning about my great-grandfather

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and the Census records in 1891,

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erm, place him, aged 15,

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as a lantern slide maker.

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And then in 1912, erm,

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he's described as a photographer.

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-That's a fairly natural progression because it's moving him up the career ladder, if you like.

-Right.

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And he's ended up in a position where, effectively, he's in charge of his own business

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or working for someone as a photographer.

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He starts off at 15 or so as that lantern slide maker.

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And I think that's interesting. Do you know what a lantern slide is?

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I don't know what a lantern slide is and 15 to me seems rather young.

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At that time people were leaving school at either 12 or 14, anyway.

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-Right.

-So it would have been absolutely normal for him to be moving into a trade of some sort.

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What he's doing is, basically, making a slide for projection

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in the same way that, a few years ago, we'd have looked at 35mm slides on a screen,

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or now we're looking at PowerPoint presentations.

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But he was making the 1890s equivalent of that.

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Magic Lanterns had been in use for 200 years before the invention of photography,

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using candles and later oil lamps

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to project drawn and painted images.

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But once they could project images from real life,

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magic lantern shows became even more popular.

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It was at this time, in its heyday before the rise of cinema,

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that William Keevil joined the industry.

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This is a photographic slide and this would have been a normal picture taken through a camera.

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And then the image would have been printed on to a piece of glass.

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Local high street photographers, a bit like William ended up,

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would go and photograph around their locality,

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the local sort of religious groups, church groups, school groups.

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Then hold a lantern show evening, where they'd project their slides

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And, of course, they would charge a fee to come and see the show.

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We're just on the cusp of cinema at this point,

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so it's before moving pictures had really got seen by a mass audience,

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and the magic lantern was the way of having that communication

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-with a large group of people.

-Yeah.

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So this is the lantern projecting and...

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Gosh!

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-This slide...

-That's Trafalgar Square.

-It is.

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And it's Trafalgar Square, probably, what? Round about the turn of the century, I suspect.

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This is exactly the type of slide that the local photographer would be producing,

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or one of the big companies would commission a photographer to go out and shoot.

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-So it is sort of journalistic, really, isn't it?

-Yes, it is. Very much so.

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I was thinking,

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this was such an unusual career choice for this young boy,

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because his father was a solicitor's clerk.

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So I imagine that...

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he must have been absolutely passionate about photography

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and this new, erm...

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burgeoning, er, world

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of cameras and, erm, slide shows.

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He must have been really passionate for his father, I think,

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probably to allow him even to enter into that world.

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After 20 years working his way up the ranks,

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fixing cameras, developing and printing pictures,

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in 1912, William Keevil became a photographer in his own right,

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earning a solid middle-class income in a thriving industry.

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Despite the launch in 1900 of a popular amateur camera, the Kodak Box Brownie,

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people still wanted portraits produced in a studio for display in their homes.

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The studios provided painted backdrops,

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elegant furnishings and props to produce opulent portraits -

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a service that became even more popular at the outbreak of the First World War in 1914.

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At that point, photographers become very much in demand

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because all of those soldiers and young people going off to the First World War

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wanted to leave something behind in case they didn't come back.

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-Right.

-William, as a photographer at that point, would have started to have got very busy, I suspect.

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Yeah. Yeah.

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The next question that I just have for you is, erm,

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he was part of the Royal Engineers,

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so I wondered whether potentially his skill as a photographer

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might have been, erm, used?

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That's actually really interesting because the Royal Engineers is...

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They have a very long history and association with photography,

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right back to the 1850s, when they used photography for mapping and all sorts of things.

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I know the outcome of William going to war.

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Er, he was killed.

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I'm still not 100% sure how he was killed

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and also I question what the capacity was in which he went.

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I can't imagine that he went as a young soldier on the front, because he wasn't that.

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So I can only guess

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that it was something to do with his photographic skills.

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But in what capacity, I don't know.

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Alex has come to the Headquarters of the Royal Engineers in Kent.

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She's meeting military historian Peter Chasseaud.

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One of the problems with First World War soldiers is that a lot of the records,

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which ought to be in the National Archives,

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were actually destroyed by enemy bombing in the Second World War, what we call the "Burnt Records".

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Unfortunately, William Keevil's was one of those.

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But there are other sources of information we can turn to,

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in particular, the medal card here.

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You've got a couple of numbers here.

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The first one indicates that he actually joined up in February, 1915.

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And the other number there, 550483,

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tells us that he was in the 3rd London Field Company.

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-And the rank, SPR, which is abbreviation for sapper.

-Yes.

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So in the Royal Engineers, a private soldier, essentially, is called a sapper,

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just as in the Royal Artillery, he's called a gunner.

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The Corps of Royal Engineers was established in the 18th century

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to provide basic engineering support to the infantry,

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digging trenches and building bridges.

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But the corps was also quick to embrace new technology,

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adapting modern inventions, like the telephone and the camera, for military use.

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So by the time William Keevil joined the Royal Engineers,

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sappers had new roles in communications and intelligence gathering.

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-If we can just look at that...

-Yes.

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-..death certificate. It was 1917 when he was killed.

-Yes.

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He belonged to the 5th Field Survey Company.

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Yes. So he moved, he moved from the 3rd London...

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Yes, he transferred, that's right. And field survey companies used photographers

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in the sound ranging sections, right?

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-What do you mean by sound ranging?

-I see you're looking puzzled there.

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The sound ranging is where you try and locate the position of the enemy gun or battery when it fires

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from the sound waves and the sound ranging recording apparatus.

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It actually records the sound waves on a film, photographic film.

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Sound ranging was at the leading edge of military technologies available in 1916,

0:21:540:21:59

decades before development such as radar.

0:21:590:22:03

Microphones were laid as close to the enemy lines as possible,

0:22:030:22:06

and cables conveyed the sound back to headquarters.

0:22:060:22:09

The sound waves were captured on photographic film,

0:22:120:22:15

in much the same way as a heart rate monitor does today.

0:22:150:22:19

And by analysing this film,

0:22:190:22:22

the enemy's guns could be precisely located.

0:22:220:22:25

-Here, we have some original...

-Gosh!

0:22:290:22:32

..Film, 35mm film.

0:22:320:22:34

Oh, yes.

0:22:340:22:36

You may be able to see some kicks in turn in those strings.

0:22:360:22:40

Oh, yes, I can!

0:22:400:22:42

-And from those kicks...

-Oh, my gosh! Yes! There's one there!

0:22:420:22:46

-There's one there!

-That's right.

-Yeah.

0:22:460:22:48

So what those kicks are telling us is that the sound wave is reaching one microphone after the other,

0:22:480:22:54

and you can read off from the vertical divisions the time interval.

0:22:540:22:57

Oh, my goodness!

0:22:570:22:59

And from that time interval they can actually read the position of the German gun.

0:22:590:23:05

So you were talking about William Keevil having photographic experience.

0:23:050:23:10

This is precisely the sort of person that the Royal Engineers would have been looking for.

0:23:100:23:14

The portrait photographer William Keevil

0:23:180:23:21

suddenly found himself handling complex equipment in the midst of battle.

0:23:210:23:25

When conditions were favourable, like in the Battle of Arras in Northern France in early 1917,

0:23:270:23:34

sound rangers helped to identify as much as 90% of enemy artillery positions before the assault began.

0:23:340:23:40

But in Belgium, in the summer of 1917,

0:23:430:23:47

William Keevil and his section faced the worst possible conditions.

0:23:470:23:51

At the Third Battle of Ypres, also known as Passchendaele,

0:23:530:23:57

the Germans held higher ground and pounded the Allies with artillery fire

0:23:570:24:01

as heavy rain moved in.

0:24:010:24:03

Sound ranging became all but impossible.

0:24:030:24:06

Some of the experiences are actually described

0:24:090:24:13

in this book about the sound rangers,

0:24:130:24:17

which talks about William's section here.

0:24:170:24:22

Now this was actually written by the officer

0:24:220:24:25

who was commanding him during that period.

0:24:250:24:29

Wow!

0:24:290:24:30

"Disaster sometimes came to the sound ranging line system,

0:24:300:24:35

"particularly at the opening of an offensive,

0:24:350:24:38

"and to meet such an emergency the whole section was organised to form line repairing parties."

0:24:380:24:43

If things happened, like intense German shell fire, that disrupted all the microphone lines...

0:24:430:24:49

-Yes.

-The cables laid along the ground.

0:24:490:24:52

Everyone would be going out on the lines repairing these.

0:24:520:24:55

So it didn't matter if he was a photographer or not,

0:24:550:24:57

he would still have been exposed in the open to heavy shell fire.

0:24:570:25:02

-And we've got a couple of photographs here that show the way that...

-Gosh!

0:25:020:25:07

..the artillery fire churned up the ground.

0:25:070:25:10

Men and guns and mules and even tanks were sinking into this mud.

0:25:100:25:15

-So ground conditions became, as you can see from the photos, absolutely appalling.

-Horrendous.

0:25:150:25:20

Wow! And it's through this that the lines were laid?

0:25:200:25:24

The microphones and lines would have been laid through these conditions.

0:25:240:25:30

The shelling was shredding their lines.

0:25:300:25:32

The wind was lifting the sound away from their microphones.

0:25:320:25:36

Sound ranging was practically non-existent. Everything was against them.

0:25:360:25:41

I mean can you imagine having to do your job,

0:25:410:25:43

but at the same time knowing it's pointless, but still having to do it.

0:25:430:25:47

Now if we can just...

0:25:490:25:52

look at...

0:25:520:25:54

this bit here,

0:25:540:25:56

-is I think very relevant.

-OK.

0:25:560:25:59

"The opening of the Third Battle of Ypres on July 31st, 1917,

0:25:590:26:04

"was a fresh milestone in the section's career.

0:26:040:26:07

"The line system was so mutilated

0:26:070:26:10

"that the whole section was organised into line-repairing parties."

0:26:100:26:14

-The whole section was organised into line-repairing parties.

-Yeah.

0:26:140:26:17

Everybody, yeah.

0:26:170:26:20

"A photographer was killed and an officer wounded on..."

0:26:200:26:25

Now we know that officer wounded was Lieutenant Rothwell,

0:26:300:26:34

who wrote this particular chapter in this book.

0:26:340:26:37

So he survived the war.

0:26:370:26:40

But we're talking about a photographer being killed.

0:26:400:26:44

And to try and amplify this,

0:26:440:26:47

we can look at the War Diary

0:26:470:26:50

of 5th Field Survey Company.

0:26:500:26:54

Oh, I need my glasses, hang on.

0:26:540:26:56

-Yeah, 2nd Lieutenant Rothwell.

-"2nd Lieutenant Rothwell."

0:26:590:27:02

-SRS, Sound Ranging Section.

-"Sound Ranging Section.

0:27:030:27:06

"Wounded in action by..."

0:27:060:27:10

-Shell fire.

-Oh, shell fire.

0:27:100:27:12

"Admitted to hospital

0:27:120:27:15

"on 7th of August.

0:27:150:27:17

"Sapper Keevil,

0:27:170:27:21

"killed by...

0:27:210:27:23

"shell...

0:27:230:27:25

"same date."

0:27:250:27:27

That's it. Yep.

0:27:270:27:29

So that is him.

0:27:300:27:32

And you've got the date on the death certificate, haven't you?

0:27:320:27:35

-Absolutely.

-7th August.

0:27:350:27:37

So the telegram that Nan received

0:27:370:27:40

that said he was killed by a bullet wound in the thigh

0:27:400:27:44

was not completely accurate.

0:27:440:27:47

It was, erm, a terrible, terrible business for everybody...

0:27:480:27:53

-Yeah.

-..Involved in that battle.

0:27:530:27:55

Passchendaele is remembered as one of the great disasters of the First World War.

0:28:030:28:08

The campaign ended in November 1917.

0:28:110:28:14

Allied forces claimed a tactical victory, but at appalling human cost.

0:28:140:28:20

William Keevil among the 300,000 British casualties.

0:28:200:28:24

I feel really grateful that I've learned this,

0:28:270:28:30

if nothing more than to be able to pass this on to my father and to his brother,

0:28:300:28:35

so that they can close that chapter, in a sense, which I felt from both of them in a way.

0:28:350:28:40

I felt was still, after all these years, was still quite raw.

0:28:400:28:43

Because they didn't really know.

0:28:430:28:47

I now feel that that's, in a sense, been laid to rest

0:28:480:28:52

at least that's what I'm hoping.

0:28:520:28:55

Now Alex wants to pursue her family history further back.

0:29:070:29:11

There has always been this very vague, unsubstantiated rumour

0:29:130:29:19

that there is some sort of Jewish history within our line.

0:29:190:29:25

And I'm hoping that there might be records

0:29:250:29:29

that might help me find whether this rumour

0:29:290:29:32

is a rumour or actually a truth.

0:29:320:29:35

-Hello. Pleased to meet you.

-Hello, nice to meet you?

0:29:390:29:41

-Shall we go in?

-Yes.

0:29:410:29:43

Alex is meeting historian Nick Evans at London's Jewish Museum.

0:29:430:29:47

I've been able to look up some of your ancestry from the family that you know further back.

0:29:490:29:54

-For your grandma. Is that Mitty?

-Yes, that's Mitty.

0:29:540:29:57

If go back further from Mitty to her mother, and her mother again,

0:29:570:30:01

we get back to a family who we know quite a lot about really,

0:30:010:30:05

and we're able to document, and that's the family called Braham.

0:30:050:30:09

That's as far back as we can get.

0:30:090:30:11

Erm, is Braham, is Braham a Jewish name?

0:30:110:30:14

Originally, we believe the name was Abraham,

0:30:140:30:18

because the name appears interchangeably, either with the "A", so Abraham,

0:30:180:30:23

or just shortened without it, so it becomes Braham.

0:30:230:30:26

Following the female line, Alex is descended from the Braham family.

0:30:300:30:34

Although Braham could sometimes be an adaptation of the Jewish surname Abraham,

0:30:350:30:40

this is not conclusive proof of Alex's Jewish ancestry.

0:30:400:30:45

But researching further, Nick has found compelling evidence in the details of Eve Braham's marriage.

0:30:450:30:50

This is the marriage certificate of Eve Braham.

0:30:530:30:56

On the 12th August, 1847.

0:30:560:30:59

She's marrying Laurence Emanuel.

0:30:590:31:02

Now his profession is...

0:31:020:31:05

"rag merchant".

0:31:050:31:08

And...

0:31:080:31:09

his father is called...

0:31:090:31:12

"Uzziel"?

0:31:120:31:13

-Uzziel.

-Uzziel Emanuel.

0:31:130:31:15

And he is also a "rag merchant".

0:31:150:31:18

Yeah. Emanuel's father, Uzziel, was a very prominent but very orthodox Jew.

0:31:180:31:23

And therefore we can see how Eve was marrying into a very religious family, the Emanuels,

0:31:230:31:29

which is a very well-known name within Victorian Jewish society.

0:31:290:31:33

Given that this was a very orthodox Jewish family that Eve Braham married into,

0:31:330:31:38

then presumably...

0:31:380:31:41

I mean, if one's going to talk about pedigree,

0:31:410:31:44

-they were Jewish?

-Yes.

0:31:440:31:47

But also here, we have the signature -

0:31:470:31:49

I don't know if you can make that out - of Simeon Oppenheim.

0:31:490:31:53

And it says here he's the secretary of the Great Synagogue

0:31:530:31:57

at Duke's Place.

0:31:570:31:59

And this was the representative of the Chief Rabbi,

0:31:590:32:02

who was present here to sign the certificate

0:32:020:32:05

-to prove it was a Jewish marriage certificate.

-Right.

0:32:050:32:08

So Alex's family rumour of Jewish ancestry is in fact based on solid evidence.

0:32:100:32:16

But not all of the Braham siblings were upstanding members of Jewish London society.

0:32:190:32:24

Nick has discovered a less than flattering account of Eve's brother, Lewis.

0:32:240:32:29

So if we see here in a newspaper extract from the period.

0:32:310:32:36

Oh, my gosh! Right.

0:32:360:32:38

"Low Life In London.

0:32:380:32:40

"The husband of the heroine of the diamond ring versus Lewis Braham.

0:32:400:32:47

"This was an action brought by the plaintiff to recover £40,

0:32:470:32:52

"money lent to the defendant."

0:32:520:32:54

-Cos £40 was quite a lot then. Yes.

-A sizeable amount, yeah.

0:32:540:32:57

"The defendant was introduced to the plaintiff by the latter's wife.

0:32:570:33:03

"He lived upon the plaintiff as long as he could,

0:33:050:33:09

"he having great difficulty in shaking him off.

0:33:090:33:12

"The defendant used to drive about with the plaintiff and his wife,

0:33:120:33:17

"taking him about to various places,

0:33:170:33:20

"dining with him and inducing him to be extravagant."

0:33:200:33:23

Oh, my God!

0:33:240:33:26

"In addition, he borrowed of the plaintiff two sums of £20 each

0:33:260:33:30

"for the recovery of which this action was brought.

0:33:300:33:33

"When called upon to repay the money, the defendant delivered a set off

0:33:330:33:37

"which he, the learned counsel,

0:33:370:33:39

"characterised as one of the most impudent things that was ever attempted.

0:33:390:33:44

"The jury then returned a verdict for the plaintiff for £40

0:33:440:33:48

"and the judge, on the application of plaintiff's counsel, granted speedy execution."

0:33:480:33:53

What's interesting is that the judge said Lewis is a dubious character

0:33:530:33:58

whose testimony should not be relied upon.

0:33:580:34:01

And for the judge to direct a jury is quite telling really about...

0:34:010:34:06

He was living a lifestyle that wasn't quite as becoming or orthodox as we would hope.

0:34:060:34:11

-And his poor mother!

-Yeah, and his poor mother still had quite a few years to go.

0:34:110:34:16

So she must have seen this in a very prominent newspaper about what her son is getting up to.

0:34:160:34:22

Ooh, he's a party boy, isn't he?!

0:34:220:34:24

The Braham family matriarch, Elizabeth, had been widowed in 1827

0:34:280:34:33

when her four children were all under the age of 10.

0:34:330:34:37

Alex wants to understand how Elizabeth managed to make ends meet

0:34:380:34:42

as a single mother in the mid-19th century.

0:34:420:34:45

So if we see here, the 1851 Census, I don't know if you can make out the actual address.

0:34:490:34:54

9, Shepherd Street, erm,

0:34:540:34:56

in the district of Hanover Square, Westminster.

0:34:560:34:59

In the heart of Mayfair.

0:34:590:35:01

Elizabeth Braham is the head of the household.

0:35:010:35:05

But it says then here - rank, profession or occupation - lodging house keeper.

0:35:050:35:11

So presumably that's what Elizabeth Braham set to doing,

0:35:120:35:17

to try and make some money for her family.

0:35:170:35:20

It's not always desirable. People didn't always want to be lodging house keepers.

0:35:200:35:24

-It was a way of paying the bills.

-Yes.

0:35:240:35:27

-She's strong, proactive. She's really keeping her head above water.

-Yeah.

0:35:270:35:31

And keeping her respectability by being financially independent,

0:35:310:35:36

because there was very little support for widows at the time.

0:35:360:35:39

-She was obviously a strong figure.

-And that's funnily enough, exactly what Nan did as well.

0:35:390:35:45

-Really?

-Because, erm, her husband, erm, died in the First World War

0:35:450:35:50

and she had, well, my grandmother and her two brothers.

0:35:500:35:54

They were all young children.

0:35:540:35:56

And she then did the same thing, she, basically...

0:35:560:35:59

-It's interesting, isn't it?

-She took in lodgers.

-Yeah.

0:35:590:36:02

Today, Shepherd Street, where Elizabeth Braham kept her lodging house,

0:36:140:36:18

has been renamed, and most of the original houses are gone.

0:36:180:36:22

So Alex has come to a Mayfair club nearby to meet historian Catharine Arnold.

0:36:250:36:30

Alex has further questions about her four times great-grandmother's life in the 1850s.

0:36:330:36:39

I, basically, learnt today

0:36:420:36:44

that I have Jewish ancestry.

0:36:440:36:48

-And Elizabeth Braham, erm, lived till she was 84.

-Remarkable.

0:36:480:36:53

They're living here at a house - 9, Shepherd Street.

0:36:530:36:56

And she is a lodging house keeper.

0:36:560:37:00

But what I've noticed, er, and this has literally just struck me,

0:37:000:37:04

erm, reading this Census,

0:37:040:37:07

all of these houses are in Shepherd Street, which is where they live,

0:37:070:37:12

and actually I've noticed that there are quite a number of women

0:37:120:37:17

who are the heads of the household. In fact, almost all of them are.

0:37:170:37:21

-Which seems quite extraordinary.

-For the times.

0:37:210:37:25

And also, a lot of them are lodging house keepers.

0:37:250:37:28

-So it seems as though the men are very absent.

-Yes.

0:37:280:37:32

And there seems to be a street full of women.

0:37:320:37:34

-It seems to be quite a matriarchal establishment, doesn't it?

-Yes.

0:37:340:37:38

-With a lot of...

-Is that typical?

0:37:380:37:40

..Powerful women running houses. Erm, not normally.

0:37:400:37:45

So this street must be something different.

0:37:450:37:48

-Something different about this street.

-Something different.

0:37:480:37:50

Something a bit out of the ordinary about this district or this street.

0:37:500:37:53

Right. Oh, my... They're not hookers, are they? Are they prostitutes?

0:37:530:37:57

SHE GASPS Are they?! Oh, my God! They're not?!

0:37:570:38:00

Are they really? Oh, no!

0:38:000:38:03

-Seriously?

-Seriously.

0:38:030:38:05

Erm, they could well have been running what were called "disorderly houses" or "houses of ill repute".

0:38:050:38:10

Oh, my word! Oh...!

0:38:100:38:13

Not necessarily actively pursuant in being prostitutes themselves,

0:38:130:38:17

but running disorderly houses or houses of assignation.

0:38:170:38:22

Rather like motels where people could rent a room.

0:38:220:38:25

-Rent a room.

-By the hour. Yes.

-Oh, my goodness!

0:38:250:38:28

Prostitution was widespread in 19th-century London.

0:38:330:38:36

Somewhere between 50,000 to 80,000 prostitutes catered for all classes of clientele.

0:38:360:38:42

There were even guidebooks to help men choose their pleasure,

0:38:450:38:49

from seedy Soho to the more genteel streets of Mayfair,

0:38:490:38:53

where Elizabeth Braham kept her lodging house.

0:38:530:38:57

These houses of assignation

0:38:590:39:02

functioned more like guest houses than brothels.

0:39:020:39:05

After procuring their clients, prostitutes came to areas like Shepherd Street to rent a room.

0:39:050:39:11

I think you'll find this very interesting.

0:39:130:39:16

This is the Leicester Chronicle.

0:39:160:39:18

And it's just a small item in what they call "domestic news".

0:39:180:39:23

"A gentleman has poisoned himself

0:39:230:39:25

"in a house of ill fame in Shepherd Street, London,

0:39:250:39:29

"which he had entered with a girl known in the locality as Polka Poll."

0:39:290:39:34

ALEX LAUGHS

0:39:340:39:35

Poisoned himself in a house of ill fame!

0:39:350:39:39

SHE GASPS

0:39:390:39:41

Oh, my God!

0:39:410:39:42

-In Shepherd Street.

-Yes.

0:39:420:39:45

-With Polka Poll.

-With Polka Poll.

0:39:450:39:48

Oh, my goodness me!

0:39:480:39:50

So, let's have a look at the next newspaper cutting.

0:39:500:39:55

"Last night an inquiry took place before Mr Bedford

0:39:560:40:00

"at the Rising Sun Tavern, Charles Street, Grosvenor Square,

0:40:000:40:05

"as to the death of Mr James Fairs, aged 24.

0:40:050:40:10

"Mary Ann Dalton proved accompanying the deceased,

0:40:100:40:14

"who was perfectly sober, to a house,

0:40:140:40:17

"9, Shepherd Street, Oxford Street,

0:40:170:40:21

"where he sent for a bottle of wine."

0:40:210:40:24

Wow!

0:40:240:40:25

Wow!

0:40:270:40:28

-Number 9.

-Number 9.

0:40:280:40:30

-That really says it all, doesn't it?

-I'm afraid it does.

0:40:320:40:37

So Mary Ann Dalton IS Polka Poll.

0:40:370:40:40

She can only be.

0:40:400:40:42

What would be interesting is to find out about the last hours of James Fairs.

0:40:420:40:47

It would be very interesting.

0:40:470:40:49

-There'll be a record of the coroner's inquest.

-Yes.

0:40:490:40:52

So what we have to do is go to Westminster Abbey and look at the records.

0:40:520:40:57

-God, it's fascinating.

-It is fascinating.

0:40:570:41:00

-I'm loving this.

-Yes.

-I think this is fantastic!

0:41:000:41:04

Wow!

0:41:050:41:06

When I found that Elizabeth had been widowed

0:41:140:41:18

and she also took in lodgers.

0:41:180:41:20

And I thought that was rather ironic really.

0:41:200:41:24

After having been on the journey with William Henry Keevil

0:41:240:41:28

and my great-grandmother Nan.

0:41:280:41:31

And how she then took in lodgers to, basically, provide for

0:41:310:41:36

her small children.

0:41:360:41:38

The difference is...

0:41:390:41:41

that the lodging that, that Elizabeth established...

0:41:410:41:46

was a brothel!

0:41:460:41:48

Erm, and, I mean...

0:41:480:41:51

This morning, all I can say is, this morning,

0:41:510:41:54

I found my inner Jew.

0:41:540:41:57

And, this afternoon, I found my inner whore!

0:41:570:42:00

I mean, it's like... I just, erm... I was not expecting that.

0:42:000:42:05

To learn precisely what took place in Elizabeth Braham's lodging house on the night James Fairs died,

0:42:120:42:18

Alex and Catharine have come to Westminster Abbey.

0:42:180:42:21

Original records of 19th-century coroners' inquests for the City of Westminster

0:42:250:42:30

are kept in the Abbey library's special Muniment Collection.

0:42:300:42:34

This is what they call the "inquisition" or inquest, as we'd call it today.

0:42:350:42:40

It's a very delicate, old document, so...

0:42:400:42:43

-But to make it slightly easier for us, I have got us a transcript here.

-Right.

0:42:430:42:49

And here we go.

0:42:510:42:52

"Information of witnesses taken this 15th day of November, 1852,

0:42:530:42:58

"at the house of George Henton, known by the name of The Rising Sun."

0:42:580:43:03

-Pub.

-That's right. That's where they held inquests in those days.

-Right.

0:43:030:43:07

"Mary Ann Dalton."

0:43:070:43:10

-That's Polka Poll.

-That's Polka Poll, yes.

0:43:100:43:12

"Information from her on oath

0:43:120:43:15

"that on Wednesday last,

0:43:150:43:17

"about half past four,

0:43:170:43:19

"I was with Sarah.

0:43:190:43:22

"Deceased came and talked to us.

0:43:220:43:25

"He appeared to be perfectly sober.

0:43:250:43:28

"We went into Number 9, Shepherd Street, Oxford Street, together.

0:43:280:43:33

"He selected a room and called for some wine.

0:43:330:43:36

"Had connection."

0:43:360:43:39

-It's a wonderful phrase, isn't it?

-Fabulous.

-Lovely euphemism. Yes.

0:43:400:43:43

COCKNEY ACCENT: I should really be reading it like this, shouldn't I? Polka Poll.

0:43:430:43:47

Yeah.

0:43:470:43:48

COCKNEY ACCENT: "He took a vial out of his pocket and said,

0:43:480:43:51

"'Look here, I've something I mean to drink presently.'

0:43:510:43:54

"I said, 'What is it? Lavender water?'

0:43:540:43:58

"I asked him to let me smell it.

0:43:580:44:01

"He laughed and said he would not and put it into his pocket.

0:44:010:44:05

"He sat a few minutes and began crying."

0:44:050:44:09

Aw!

0:44:090:44:11

"I came and got the wine and as I turned back again,

0:44:110:44:15

"he took the phial from the top of the wine glass.

0:44:150:44:18

"I endeavoured to get the glass away from him.

0:44:180:44:21

"I upset a little in doing so,

0:44:210:44:24

"but he put it to his mouth and drank it.

0:44:240:44:27

"He never spoke after he took it.

0:44:270:44:30

"He made a blowing noise with his mouth.

0:44:300:44:33

"He leaned on the sofa till the doctor came.

0:44:330:44:36

"He gave me no money.

0:44:360:44:38

"The policeman came. He took the bottle.

0:44:380:44:41

"I drank some wine.

0:44:410:44:43

"Verdict.

0:44:430:44:45

"That deceased destroyed his own life by poison,

0:44:450:44:49

"being at the time in a state of insanity."

0:44:490:44:53

Dreadful business.

0:44:530:44:55

Well, I suppose, erm...

0:44:570:45:00

-At least, it WAS suicide. I thought maybe they'd killed him.

-They'd killed him.

0:45:000:45:05

Very, very interesting.

0:45:050:45:08

Right.

0:45:080:45:09

The case happened in 1852.

0:45:090:45:12

That makes Elizabeth...

0:45:120:45:14

-63.

-63.

0:45:140:45:16

I suspect that Elizabeth knew very well what was going on.

0:45:160:45:21

OK.

0:45:210:45:22

And the reason that she doesn't appear in the proceedings of the inquest

0:45:220:45:27

could be that she wanted her name kept out of the papers.

0:45:270:45:31

-Yes.

-And she wanted to keep a low profile.

0:45:310:45:34

Because Elizabeth had actually been up before the Bench before,

0:45:340:45:38

-many, many years earlier.

-Oh...

0:45:380:45:41

OK.

0:45:420:45:43

Elizabeth was charged with keeping a disorderly house in 1827.

0:45:430:45:49

-Near Leicester Square.

-Oh, my word! Near Leicester Square.

0:45:490:45:53

-Let's look at the documents.

-All right.

-Let's look at what I found.

0:45:530:45:56

Here's a headline from the time, in The Standard.

0:45:560:46:00

They're just in the newspapers all the time!

0:46:020:46:06

Right.

0:46:060:46:07

The Standard.

0:46:070:46:09

"The defendant in this indictment, was convicted of keeping a house of ill fame...

0:46:090:46:15

"..Named the Sidney Hotel, in Leicester Street, Leicester Fields."

0:46:170:46:22

Which is Leicester Square.

0:46:220:46:24

Righty-ho.

0:46:270:46:28

I'm... You know what? I'm no longer shocked. That's all I can say.

0:46:300:46:35

It appears that Elizabeth Braham was keeping a house of ill fame

0:46:380:46:42

a full 25 years before the incident at Shepherd Street.

0:46:420:46:46

For women with no other means of support, the sex trade was extremely profitable.

0:46:500:46:54

Prostitutes could earn up to 10 times the income of domestic servants.

0:46:540:46:59

And landladies, like Elizabeth Braham, earned even more from the rooms they provided.

0:46:590:47:05

At the time, prostitution itself was not illegal,

0:47:070:47:10

so anti-vice campaigners often focused their challenges on public nuisance offences.

0:47:100:47:15

Here's the indictment of Elizabeth Braham.

0:47:180:47:21

Ahem!

0:47:220:47:24

"The jurors for our Lord the King

0:47:250:47:27

"upon their oath present that Elizabeth Braham,

0:47:270:47:32

"late of the Parish of St Anne, a certain common bawdy house,

0:47:320:47:36

"unlawfully and wickedly did keep and maintain

0:47:360:47:41

"on the days and times aforesaid,

0:47:410:47:44

"there did commit whoredom and fornication."

0:47:440:47:49

-Wonderful language.

-"Whereby diverse unlawful assemblies,

0:47:490:47:53

"riots, routs and affrays,

0:47:530:47:56

"disturbances and violations of the peace of our own said Lord the King,

0:47:560:48:01

"and dreadful, filthy and lewd offences in the same house

0:48:010:48:06

"on the days and times aforesaid.

0:48:060:48:08

"As well as in the night as in the day,

0:48:080:48:11

"there were committed and perpetrated

0:48:110:48:14

"to the great damage and common nuisance of all the liege subjects

0:48:140:48:18

"of our said Lord the King."

0:48:180:48:21

-It's like Sodom and Gomorrah!

-It really is.

0:48:230:48:26

Oh, my word!

0:48:260:48:27

"Cometh the said Elizabeth Braham in her proper person

0:48:280:48:32

"and having heard the said indictment,

0:48:320:48:36

"read the oath that she is not guilty thereof."

0:48:360:48:39

It's extraordinary, isn't it?

0:48:390:48:41

She, literally, does not have a leg to stand on,

0:48:410:48:44

and she's saying, "Not guilty, M'Lord." Quite extraordinary.

0:48:440:48:48

I think it shows tremendous guts and resilience,

0:48:480:48:51

because if we look at her life then,

0:48:510:48:54

she had four children under 10.

0:48:540:48:58

And she does not have any legal representation,

0:48:580:49:01

because in those days it was very, very rare to have any kind of advocate.

0:49:010:49:06

So she's defending herself.

0:49:060:49:08

"And concerning the matters within contained,

0:49:090:49:12

"to say upon their oath that the said Elizabeth Braham

0:49:120:49:15

"is guilty of the premises in the indictment within specified."

0:49:150:49:21

So she's found guilty?

0:49:210:49:23

-Yes.

-And we then have no knowledge...

0:49:230:49:26

There's nothing to indicate how long she's in jail for?

0:49:260:49:31

-No. We do not know whether she went to a house of correction, as they were then called.

-Right.

0:49:310:49:34

Or whether she paid a stiff fine.

0:49:340:49:37

And so the next time that we...

0:49:370:49:40

that we come upon her,

0:49:400:49:43

which is in the Census,

0:49:430:49:45

-that's when she owns the property at 9, Shepherd Street.

-That's right.

0:49:450:49:48

So she hasn't stopped, erm, her profession.

0:49:480:49:53

No. But she has gone below the radar.

0:49:530:49:55

-She's gone below the radar.

-She's run a much more discreet operation.

0:49:550:49:58

Yeah.

0:49:580:49:59

I'm now intrigued...

0:50:130:50:16

as to whether she continued

0:50:160:50:19

to work in this profession.

0:50:190:50:22

But she did it very, very much behind closed doors.

0:50:220:50:26

Or whether she became even more infamous

0:50:260:50:30

and ended up in jail, in bedlam, in goodness knows where.

0:50:300:50:34

So it would be really fascinating to know

0:50:340:50:37

what those last 20 years, really,

0:50:370:50:41

of her life were like and where she ended up.

0:50:410:50:43

To fill in these details, Alex is meeting historian Sarah Richardson.

0:50:450:50:49

-Hello.

-Hello.

0:50:490:50:51

We start off here... the 1861 Census.

0:50:520:50:56

And you find her, er, in Marylebone.

0:50:560:51:00

In Northumberland Street.

0:51:000:51:02

This area, is this a step up?

0:51:020:51:04

-Yeah. Yeah.

-Right.

0:51:040:51:06

And now let's see, here it says, "Elizabeth Braham, head of the household,

0:51:060:51:11

-"widow, freeholder."

-So she owns property.

0:51:110:51:16

Oh, what, she owns other property?

0:51:160:51:18

She... Yeah, that's how she's describing herself.

0:51:180:51:21

So below Elizabeth,

0:51:210:51:24

there is Rosa Matilda.

0:51:240:51:26

And she's a granddaughter.

0:51:260:51:30

-There's a little... I don't quite understand. There's a little squiggly thing there.

-Yeah.

0:51:300:51:35

So that means ditto. So Rosa Matilda's surname is Braham.

0:51:350:51:40

Well, there's only one male Braham, which is Lewis.

0:51:400:51:45

-She can only be his daughter.

-Yep.

0:51:450:51:49

In 1861, the 72-year-old Elizabeth Braham

0:51:530:51:57

was looking after her son Lewis's 10-year-old daughter, Rosa.

0:51:570:52:02

Only two years earlier,

0:52:020:52:04

Lewis had appeared in the press during his scandalous court case.

0:52:040:52:08

And I suppose he's just not in a fit state to bring up a child, I would imagine.

0:52:100:52:15

So the care of the granddaughter has gone to Elizabeth.

0:52:150:52:18

Has gone to Elizabeth. Yes.

0:52:180:52:20

-So shall we check the next Census?

-OK.

0:52:200:52:24

-So...

-So this is 1871.

-This is 1871.

0:52:240:52:27

-Hang on. But Lewis Braham is now living with her.

-Yes.

0:52:270:52:30

And he's called himself a "financial agent".

0:52:320:52:35

And Rosa Braham...

0:52:350:52:38

who's aged 20 now.

0:52:380:52:41

She's there.

0:52:410:52:42

That's a different house. 8, Titchfield Terrace.

0:52:420:52:47

It's in St John's Wood. So she's steadily moving upmarket.

0:52:480:52:53

I mean, my God! They...

0:52:530:52:55

She must have had amazing girls or something, to make all that money.

0:52:550:52:59

-And this is all a single woman doing this.

-Yes.

0:52:590:53:03

In this period, women were unable to own property if they were married.

0:53:030:53:09

There's this strong disincentive for widows to remarry.

0:53:090:53:13

Mm.

0:53:130:53:15

Particularly I think with characters like this, where, er,

0:53:150:53:19

they have this strong independent streak and entrepreneurial streak.

0:53:190:53:24

-They're going to lose everything to a man.

-Mm.

0:53:240:53:28

Elizabeth remained a widow until her death at the age of 84.

0:53:350:53:40

By the law of coverture, had she remarried, her property would have gone to her husband,

0:53:400:53:44

unless it was vested in a trust.

0:53:440:53:47

But not only did Elizabeth hold on to her property in her lifetime,

0:53:500:53:54

she continued to protect it after her death.

0:53:540:53:57

So shall we move on, maybe, to her will.

0:54:010:54:04

God, this paper again. Look at that writing!

0:54:040:54:07

SHE GASPS

0:54:070:54:09

-That's her signature there, isn't it?

-Yes.

0:54:090:54:12

"This is the last Will and Testament

0:54:130:54:17

"of me, Elizabeth Braham.

0:54:170:54:20

"I give and bequeath all my plate, linen,

0:54:200:54:25

"china, glass, books,

0:54:250:54:27

"pictures, prints

0:54:270:54:30

"wines, linen, furniture

0:54:300:54:33

"and other household effects unto my son,

0:54:330:54:36

"Louis Braham.

0:54:360:54:38

"I give and bequeath unto my granddaughter, Rosa Braham,

0:54:410:54:46

"my watch and chain

0:54:460:54:48

"and all the jewels, trinkets and personal ornaments

0:54:480:54:53

"worn and used by me in my lifetime."

0:54:530:54:56

Wow!

0:54:590:55:00

"In trust as to my freehold houses,

0:55:010:55:04

"numbers 1 and 4,

0:55:040:55:06

"Wade Street, Poplar, in the said county of Middlesex,

0:55:060:55:11

"for the said Rosa Braham

0:55:110:55:14

"and for her sole and separate use,

0:55:140:55:17

"free from the control and debts of any husband she may marry."

0:55:170:55:22

So these are the most valuable parts of her estate.

0:55:220:55:25

And what she's using here is the device of the trust

0:55:250:55:29

to protect the property from future husbands and so on.

0:55:290:55:33

So... My God!

0:55:330:55:35

She's so smart, that's all I can say.

0:55:350:55:39

So she owns...

0:55:390:55:42

Number 58.

0:55:420:55:45

Number 56.

0:55:450:55:47

Number 54.

0:55:470:55:49

And Number 52, Cochrane Street, St John's Wood.

0:55:490:55:54

And she also...

0:55:540:55:57

owns Titchfield Street.

0:55:570:56:01

-And freehold in Poplar as well.

-Freehold in Poplar.

0:56:010:56:04

And she's all done that on her own.

0:56:040:56:07

Yeah.

0:56:070:56:08

And I think what's interesting about the will

0:56:100:56:13

is that, normally, you would have expected the property to go to the son.

0:56:130:56:18

Yes.

0:56:200:56:21

Through primogeniture, that's what would have been expected.

0:56:210:56:25

But she privileges his daughter.

0:56:250:56:28

-She's securing the future for the most vulnerable member of the family.

-Yes.

0:56:280:56:32

-The girl that she brought up.

-Wow!

0:56:320:56:34

How much was she worth then, would you say?

0:56:360:56:38

Well, she's leaving around £1,500 of freehold and leasehold property.

0:56:380:56:44

The nearest comparison I can give you is, somebody who dies in the same year as her

0:56:440:56:48

is the explorer David Livingstone.

0:56:480:56:51

And he leaves around the same amount.

0:56:510:56:54

So you're talking about respectable upper middle class, comfortably off.

0:56:540:56:59

Gosh, it's fascinating.

0:56:590:57:01

I love it. It's amazing.

0:57:010:57:03

I mean, really, really amazing, considering that she was widowed.

0:57:030:57:09

-Quite young.

-Quite young.

-With four young children under...

-Yes.

0:57:090:57:12

What you'd expect for somebody in that position is for them to sink into poverty.

0:57:120:57:18

She doesn't just survive, she prospers. She's thinking ahead.

0:57:180:57:21

-She's astute, and this is somebody who's quite a strong woman.

-Yes.

0:57:210:57:25

That's amazing.

0:57:250:57:27

This a journey that I really had no sense of

0:57:340:57:39

where it was going and how it was going to conclude.

0:57:390:57:43

Not only did it become, sort of...

0:57:430:57:46

I felt like I was reading the News Of The World or something!

0:57:460:57:49

Opening every day... I was like opening another page and there...

0:57:490:57:53

Erm...

0:57:530:57:55

But actually at the end of it,

0:57:550:57:58

I've come away thinking, wow!

0:57:580:58:01

What an extraordinary force of nature this woman was.

0:58:010:58:06

So I'm really... I'm just so thrilled

0:58:090:58:14

to have been taken on this...

0:58:140:58:16

Well, it's been a roller coaster of a journey, really.

0:58:180:58:21

Emotionally, erm...

0:58:210:58:24

but fantastic!

0:58:240:58:27

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