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There is now a danger that has become a threat to us all. | 0:00:02 | 0:00:06 | |
It is a deadly disease, and there is no known cure. | 0:00:06 | 0:00:10 | |
It was just 30 years ago that the biggest public health campaign in | 0:00:10 | 0:00:13 | |
British history shocked us all into accepting a new epidemic. | 0:00:13 | 0:00:18 | |
Everyone was petrified. | 0:00:20 | 0:00:22 | |
And a lot of people that I knew died very, very quickly. | 0:00:22 | 0:00:27 | |
And a lot of people I knew died in the '80s. | 0:00:27 | 0:00:29 | |
I mean, it was one after the other. | 0:00:29 | 0:00:33 | |
But whilst it's easy to think that AIDS is a thing of the past, | 0:00:33 | 0:00:36 | |
here in the UK, the number of people | 0:00:36 | 0:00:38 | |
with the virus which actually causes it | 0:00:38 | 0:00:40 | |
still remains worrying. | 0:00:40 | 0:00:42 | |
My name is Chris van Tulleken. | 0:00:42 | 0:00:44 | |
These days, I spend most of my time in this lab at University College in London. | 0:00:44 | 0:00:49 | |
And I study HIV - a virus that's infected 76 million people | 0:00:49 | 0:00:54 | |
and killed 35 million of them. | 0:00:54 | 0:00:57 | |
The good news? The NHS in England and Wales have just announced trials | 0:00:57 | 0:01:00 | |
for a new drug that can prevent HIV, and in Scotland it's available now. | 0:01:00 | 0:01:05 | |
The bad news? There's still no cure. | 0:01:05 | 0:01:08 | |
So I'm getting out of the lab to meet people living with HIV. | 0:01:08 | 0:01:12 | |
He'd sort of spent the weekend in bed with what I thought was man flu | 0:01:13 | 0:01:17 | |
and then it was three days later that he died. | 0:01:17 | 0:01:21 | |
And I'll be questioning the scientists fighting the virus. | 0:01:21 | 0:01:24 | |
Will we cure it? | 0:01:24 | 0:01:26 | |
We're going to try, you know, and there's a real possibility. | 0:01:26 | 0:01:29 | |
There are billions of pounds of research money being invested | 0:01:29 | 0:01:33 | |
in labs like this all around the world. | 0:01:33 | 0:01:35 | |
We now have powerful anti-retroviral drugs that mean HIV | 0:01:35 | 0:01:39 | |
doesn't have to be a death sentence. | 0:01:39 | 0:01:43 | |
And PrEP, the new drug combination | 0:01:43 | 0:01:45 | |
that has been on all over the headlines recently, | 0:01:45 | 0:01:47 | |
can prevent you catching it in the first place. | 0:01:47 | 0:01:50 | |
But the battle is not over yet. | 0:01:50 | 0:01:52 | |
I'll travel to the front line of the AIDS epidemic... | 0:01:52 | 0:01:56 | |
She has lost six children. | 0:01:56 | 0:01:57 | |
Yes. | 0:01:57 | 0:01:58 | |
..to discover how science is racing to stop | 0:01:59 | 0:02:02 | |
over a million deaths a year. | 0:02:02 | 0:02:04 | |
We were able to, in our trial, | 0:02:04 | 0:02:06 | |
-diagnose 92%... -Really? -..of those individuals who are infected. | 0:02:06 | 0:02:12 | |
And I'll meet those dedicated to beating this disease. | 0:02:12 | 0:02:16 | |
We have a responsibility, all of us, to de-stigmatise, | 0:02:16 | 0:02:20 | |
to normalise the testing | 0:02:20 | 0:02:22 | |
and encourage more and more people to get tested, | 0:02:22 | 0:02:24 | |
so that every six months, every year, whatever it be, | 0:02:24 | 0:02:26 | |
you go and get tested for HIV just like you do everything else. | 0:02:26 | 0:02:29 | |
Despite what many of us might think, | 0:02:38 | 0:02:40 | |
HIV is still a problem in this country. | 0:02:40 | 0:02:43 | |
There are over 6,000 new infections every year. | 0:02:44 | 0:02:47 | |
And the risks are now being taught to a whole new generation. | 0:02:48 | 0:02:51 | |
When you think about HIV right now, what pops into your head? | 0:02:53 | 0:02:57 | |
What do you think about? | 0:02:57 | 0:02:59 | |
-Dirty things, don't you? -Is it frightening? | 0:02:59 | 0:03:02 | |
In a way, yes. | 0:03:02 | 0:03:03 | |
I've heard some stuff that, like, the government made AIDS. | 0:03:03 | 0:03:05 | |
Write it down. Government conspiracy. | 0:03:05 | 0:03:07 | |
And then obviously it spread through needles. | 0:03:07 | 0:03:10 | |
-Drugs. -Drugs. | 0:03:10 | 0:03:12 | |
People who are gay, they get blamed for the spread of it. | 0:03:12 | 0:03:16 | |
That's Freddie Mercury because he died of HIV. | 0:03:16 | 0:03:19 | |
I've come to William Farr School in Lincolnshire | 0:03:20 | 0:03:23 | |
and a special class on a unique virus. | 0:03:23 | 0:03:26 | |
So we're going to talk about how that virus actually gets passed on. | 0:03:26 | 0:03:30 | |
So which bodily fluids are we talking about? | 0:03:30 | 0:03:32 | |
-Like, blood. -Yes, infected blood. | 0:03:35 | 0:03:38 | |
Anything else? | 0:03:38 | 0:03:40 | |
-Semen. -Semen. | 0:03:40 | 0:03:41 | |
Yes. Any other body fluids that you guys know of? | 0:03:41 | 0:03:43 | |
It's OK. We've got vaginal fluids and rectal secretions. | 0:03:45 | 0:03:49 | |
But you know what? We're talking about them here today. | 0:03:49 | 0:03:52 | |
Do you think you could spot somebody with HIV? | 0:03:52 | 0:03:55 | |
No? No? | 0:03:56 | 0:03:58 | |
So would you have any idea that I have HIV? | 0:03:58 | 0:04:00 | |
-STUDENTS: -No. | 0:04:00 | 0:04:02 | |
No? OK, so I'm HIV positive. | 0:04:02 | 0:04:04 | |
I was diagnosed over ten years ago. | 0:04:04 | 0:04:07 | |
You've all spent this time with me and couldn't tell. | 0:04:08 | 0:04:11 | |
And actually, anyone else you meet, you may not be able to tell. | 0:04:11 | 0:04:14 | |
-Come in. -Thank you. | 0:04:16 | 0:04:18 | |
Lizzie Jordan now works to educate young people about the virus. | 0:04:18 | 0:04:22 | |
She found out she was HIV-positive after her partner, Benji, | 0:04:24 | 0:04:27 | |
suddenly fell ill. | 0:04:27 | 0:04:29 | |
He went to work on a Friday. | 0:04:29 | 0:04:31 | |
Came home complaining of what he thought was a sinus infection. | 0:04:31 | 0:04:35 | |
He'd sort of spent the weekend in bed with what I thought was man flu. | 0:04:35 | 0:04:40 | |
And, you know, "Have some Lucozade and you'll be fine." | 0:04:40 | 0:04:43 | |
And then... So, it was three days later that he died. | 0:04:43 | 0:04:46 | |
Doctors broke the news that Benji | 0:04:48 | 0:04:50 | |
had died from an AIDS-related illness... | 0:04:50 | 0:04:53 | |
without ever even knowing that he was HIV positive. | 0:04:53 | 0:04:56 | |
I mean, that was probably six weeks before. | 0:04:56 | 0:04:59 | |
Seeing those pictures, even I find that amazing. | 0:04:59 | 0:05:02 | |
Come on. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. | 0:05:02 | 0:05:06 | |
No-one knows when or how Benji contracted the disease, | 0:05:06 | 0:05:10 | |
but people can live for ten years or more without any symptoms at all. | 0:05:10 | 0:05:15 | |
SHE LAUGHS SOFTLY | 0:05:15 | 0:05:16 | |
Is it hard to watch that? | 0:05:16 | 0:05:18 | |
It's bittersweet because | 0:05:19 | 0:05:20 | |
that's the last piece of footage we have of him. | 0:05:20 | 0:05:23 | |
Um... | 0:05:23 | 0:05:25 | |
Yeah. | 0:05:26 | 0:05:27 | |
Yeah. | 0:05:34 | 0:05:35 | |
You must have been in...total shock. | 0:05:40 | 0:05:44 | |
It just didn't make sense. | 0:05:44 | 0:05:46 | |
How you can be so fit and well... | 0:05:46 | 0:05:49 | |
..and then die. You know, literally die and drop dead. | 0:05:50 | 0:05:52 | |
HIV, it never popped into your head? | 0:05:52 | 0:05:54 | |
-You never thought...? -Not once, and it wasn't even on my radar. | 0:05:54 | 0:05:59 | |
It wasn't even something I considered. | 0:05:59 | 0:06:01 | |
When Lizzie discovered she was also HIV-positive, her next thought was, | 0:06:02 | 0:06:06 | |
had she unknowingly passed the virus to their baby? | 0:06:06 | 0:06:10 | |
Joe was 18 months old and had been breast-fed for 18 months. | 0:06:10 | 0:06:14 | |
Natural delivery. | 0:06:14 | 0:06:15 | |
All the things that I knew a HIV-positive mother wouldn't do. | 0:06:15 | 0:06:20 | |
Despite a one in four chance of infecting her child, | 0:06:20 | 0:06:24 | |
they were lucky. | 0:06:24 | 0:06:25 | |
The test came back negative. | 0:06:25 | 0:06:27 | |
I mean, the only reason your story is listenable to is cos you're | 0:06:27 | 0:06:30 | |
standing here kind of fit and well and looking amazing. | 0:06:30 | 0:06:35 | |
That fires me up even more to make people get tested. | 0:06:35 | 0:06:38 | |
You know. | 0:06:38 | 0:06:40 | |
You cannot tell. | 0:06:40 | 0:06:41 | |
Yeah. | 0:06:44 | 0:06:46 | |
Lizzie is one of over 100,000 people in the UK living with HIV, | 0:06:46 | 0:06:51 | |
and it's estimated around 13,000 of those are undiagnosed, | 0:06:51 | 0:06:56 | |
because for many years there are often no outward signs | 0:06:56 | 0:07:00 | |
that anything is wrong. | 0:07:00 | 0:07:02 | |
It's what helps the virus silently spread. | 0:07:02 | 0:07:04 | |
OK, so a quick lesson. | 0:07:09 | 0:07:11 | |
This is a quick biology lesson. | 0:07:11 | 0:07:12 | |
HIV is a virus and it specifically infects | 0:07:13 | 0:07:17 | |
the cells of your immune system. | 0:07:17 | 0:07:19 | |
So this is a white blood cell. | 0:07:19 | 0:07:22 | |
And on the surface, these little things that almost look like pollen, | 0:07:23 | 0:07:27 | |
those are HIV particles. | 0:07:27 | 0:07:30 | |
Like all viruses, in order to survive, | 0:07:31 | 0:07:34 | |
HIV needs to get inside the cell, | 0:07:34 | 0:07:37 | |
but then it does a very special thing. | 0:07:37 | 0:07:39 | |
It unstitches your DNA and it inserts its DNA into the gap. | 0:07:41 | 0:07:48 | |
The virus literally becomes a part of you. | 0:07:48 | 0:07:51 | |
That is why it's so hard to cure it. | 0:07:52 | 0:07:56 | |
You can live for years, even decades without any symptoms at all. | 0:07:56 | 0:08:00 | |
But all that time, the virus is replicating in your cells | 0:08:00 | 0:08:03 | |
so that your immune system will reach a point | 0:08:03 | 0:08:06 | |
where you can no longer defend yourself | 0:08:06 | 0:08:08 | |
against really minor infections. | 0:08:08 | 0:08:10 | |
And that's when you develop the syndrome of AIDS - | 0:08:10 | 0:08:14 | |
Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome. | 0:08:14 | 0:08:16 | |
The virus is HIV, the disease in the final stages is AIDS. | 0:08:16 | 0:08:22 | |
These days, I worry we've become complacent, | 0:08:24 | 0:08:26 | |
even ignorant of the risks. | 0:08:26 | 0:08:29 | |
So I want to find out how many of us have even taken a test? | 0:08:29 | 0:08:32 | |
Have you ever had an HIV test? | 0:08:38 | 0:08:39 | |
-I haven't, no. -Why? | 0:08:39 | 0:08:41 | |
Just because I've never felt the need to do it, really. | 0:08:42 | 0:08:44 | |
And actually, I'm pretty... | 0:08:44 | 0:08:46 | |
You know, I'm not that... What's the word? | 0:08:46 | 0:08:49 | |
I don't get involved with that many people, | 0:08:49 | 0:08:50 | |
partners and that kind of thing. | 0:08:50 | 0:08:52 | |
If you have a new partner... | 0:08:52 | 0:08:53 | |
-Yeah. -Do you always insist on an HIV test? | 0:08:53 | 0:08:56 | |
I insist on a full test. | 0:08:56 | 0:08:58 | |
-A full test. OK, so the whole lot. -I'm a bit paranoid. | 0:08:58 | 0:09:00 | |
-Have you been tested? -I have been tested. -OK. | 0:09:00 | 0:09:04 | |
Hopefully my mum doesn't watch this! | 0:09:04 | 0:09:08 | |
Your mum will be so happy to know | 0:09:08 | 0:09:09 | |
that her daughter is being responsible and having HIV tests. | 0:09:09 | 0:09:13 | |
Yeah, I mean, I think you can't be complacent. | 0:09:13 | 0:09:15 | |
-Have you ever had an HIV test? -No. | 0:09:15 | 0:09:17 | |
-Why? -I've always had protected sex. | 0:09:17 | 0:09:21 | |
-Always? -Always, yeah. -OK, wow. -As a general rule. | 0:09:21 | 0:09:24 | |
-As a general rule. -You may be the only man on the planet | 0:09:24 | 0:09:28 | |
-who has always done it. -Actually, that's a lie. | 0:09:28 | 0:09:30 | |
You're going to keep getting tested regularly? | 0:09:30 | 0:09:32 | |
Yeah, of course. Like, even if, like... | 0:09:32 | 0:09:34 | |
Sometimes even if I haven't had sex with anyone, | 0:09:34 | 0:09:36 | |
I'll go and get tested anyway. | 0:09:36 | 0:09:37 | |
-Do you think you'll go and have one now? -Um... You know what, | 0:09:37 | 0:09:42 | |
I think that there is such a stigma around it that the thought | 0:09:42 | 0:09:45 | |
of going into a doctor and asking for one would actually be, like, | 0:09:45 | 0:09:48 | |
quite embarrassing. | 0:09:48 | 0:09:49 | |
-Really? -Personally, yeah. | 0:09:49 | 0:09:51 | |
I would find it really uncomfortable doing that. | 0:09:51 | 0:09:53 | |
It's a bit of a mixed bag, and if I'm honest, | 0:09:53 | 0:09:56 | |
us blokes don't come out of it all that well. | 0:09:56 | 0:09:59 | |
And that's why it's all the more extraordinary that last year | 0:10:01 | 0:10:04 | |
a member of the British royal family did something almost unthinkable. | 0:10:04 | 0:10:09 | |
What I was going to do there... Your hands are quite cold. | 0:10:09 | 0:10:12 | |
July 14th, 2016, | 0:10:12 | 0:10:14 | |
and Prince Harry is taking an HIV test live on the internet. | 0:10:14 | 0:10:19 | |
Weirdly that didn't even hurt. | 0:10:20 | 0:10:21 | |
There you go. | 0:10:21 | 0:10:23 | |
I can tell you here, you have an HIV non-reactive result here. | 0:10:23 | 0:10:28 | |
-All right. -So everything is fine. | 0:10:28 | 0:10:31 | |
Was that your first HIV test that you'd ever had? | 0:10:31 | 0:10:34 | |
-It was my first HIV test. -First ever, in your 30s? | 0:10:34 | 0:10:37 | |
Yeah, in my 30s. This is something that, from a guy's point of view, | 0:10:37 | 0:10:41 | |
is... It's nerve-racking. | 0:10:41 | 0:10:44 | |
I think it's nerve-racking regardless of who you are | 0:10:44 | 0:10:46 | |
or what you've been up to. | 0:10:46 | 0:10:48 | |
And all the media are sitting on this...standing on the other side | 0:10:48 | 0:10:51 | |
of this mirror. And I know exactly what they're thinking, like, | 0:10:51 | 0:10:54 | |
as I'm sure you know as well. And they're thinking, | 0:10:54 | 0:10:56 | |
"Oh, imagine if, imagine if. What if? What if?" | 0:10:56 | 0:10:58 | |
And I'm sitting there going, "Jeez, what if?" | 0:10:58 | 0:11:00 | |
Yes, I could have done it in private, what's the point in that? | 0:11:00 | 0:11:03 | |
I mean, for everyone else, go and get it done in private. | 0:11:03 | 0:11:06 | |
I don't suggest everyone else does it live, but, you know, | 0:11:06 | 0:11:09 | |
it's the responsible thing to do, | 0:11:09 | 0:11:11 | |
from my point of view, to get the message out there. | 0:11:11 | 0:11:14 | |
And what are the things that stop us all getting tested regularly? | 0:11:14 | 0:11:18 | |
It's the fear, isn't it? | 0:11:18 | 0:11:19 | |
It's the stigma. | 0:11:19 | 0:11:21 | |
The word AIDS. | 0:11:21 | 0:11:23 | |
I mean, just when you say that, it just gives me... | 0:11:23 | 0:11:26 | |
gives me goose bumps. And I think there's so much stigma | 0:11:26 | 0:11:30 | |
simply around a name. | 0:11:30 | 0:11:32 | |
When AIDS came along, | 0:11:38 | 0:11:39 | |
everyone was petrified. | 0:11:39 | 0:11:41 | |
And... | 0:11:41 | 0:11:42 | |
a lot of people that I knew died very, very quickly. | 0:11:42 | 0:11:46 | |
And a lot of people I knew died in the '80s. | 0:11:46 | 0:11:48 | |
I mean, it was one after the other. | 0:11:48 | 0:11:51 | |
And everyone was so frightened. | 0:11:53 | 0:11:55 | |
You know, when you went for your annual blood test | 0:11:55 | 0:11:57 | |
or you had a cold or you had anything, you thought, | 0:11:57 | 0:11:59 | |
"Have I got HIV? Have I got AIDS?" | 0:11:59 | 0:12:01 | |
I was delivering meals to people who were so ashamed, they wouldn't come | 0:12:03 | 0:12:06 | |
out their front door. | 0:12:06 | 0:12:08 | |
We'd put the meal on the doorstep and then you'd walk down the | 0:12:08 | 0:12:11 | |
garden path and you'd hear the door open and slam very quickly. | 0:12:11 | 0:12:13 | |
Because they were so ashamed to be seen. | 0:12:13 | 0:12:16 | |
At the time, Caroline Bradbeer was a junior doctor | 0:12:18 | 0:12:21 | |
at St Thomas's Hospital in London, trying to cope as best she could. | 0:12:21 | 0:12:26 | |
We didn't really know what was happening. | 0:12:26 | 0:12:28 | |
We did know that statistically, at that stage, | 0:12:28 | 0:12:31 | |
once somebody had developed AIDS, | 0:12:31 | 0:12:33 | |
the average survival was less than two years. | 0:12:33 | 0:12:37 | |
I think it was about 18 months. | 0:12:37 | 0:12:39 | |
There was nothing really we could do. | 0:12:40 | 0:12:43 | |
And I felt so helpless, really. | 0:12:43 | 0:12:48 | |
I made them a little bit better for a while, | 0:12:48 | 0:12:50 | |
and that's what buoyed me up. | 0:12:50 | 0:12:52 | |
Sometimes when they died, you were glad for them. | 0:12:53 | 0:12:55 | |
The virus was a complete mystery to doctors. | 0:12:58 | 0:13:00 | |
And scientists didn't have a clue where it had come from. | 0:13:02 | 0:13:04 | |
But as we've learned more about HIV, | 0:13:06 | 0:13:08 | |
researchers have been able to trace the epidemic all the way back to | 0:13:08 | 0:13:12 | |
its very beginning. | 0:13:12 | 0:13:13 | |
Very nice to see you. | 0:13:13 | 0:13:14 | |
I've come to meet my friend and colleague Dr Stephane Hue, | 0:13:14 | 0:13:17 | |
who uses genetic analysis to track the spread of the virus. | 0:13:17 | 0:13:22 | |
Here you can see, | 0:13:22 | 0:13:23 | |
let's say a family tree | 0:13:23 | 0:13:25 | |
of the HIV strains that are circulating across the world. | 0:13:25 | 0:13:29 | |
This family tree goes down to a single point here, | 0:13:29 | 0:13:33 | |
to a single ancestor, right? | 0:13:33 | 0:13:35 | |
Hold on. So, to a single...person. | 0:13:35 | 0:13:39 | |
The first person who was infected with HIV. | 0:13:39 | 0:13:42 | |
That's right. | 0:13:42 | 0:13:43 | |
So we believe that this jump has occurred between 1910, 1930. | 0:13:43 | 0:13:48 | |
Quite a lot before the virus was first identified. | 0:13:48 | 0:13:51 | |
So the virus that has infected 60 million people | 0:13:51 | 0:13:55 | |
-and killed half of them came from one person? -Yes. | 0:13:55 | 0:13:59 | |
So, naturally, we want to know not who that person was, right, | 0:13:59 | 0:14:03 | |
but we want to know, where did that virus come from? | 0:14:03 | 0:14:06 | |
We realised very early on that this virus belongs to a family of viruses | 0:14:06 | 0:14:10 | |
that mainly infects primates, OK? | 0:14:10 | 0:14:14 | |
-So there's been a long... -Monkeys and apes. | 0:14:14 | 0:14:16 | |
Exactly, monkeys and apes. | 0:14:16 | 0:14:18 | |
And it turns out, we inherited HIV from chimpanzees. | 0:14:18 | 0:14:23 | |
So in other words, in the world, | 0:14:23 | 0:14:25 | |
the virus that is most closely related to HIV is SIVcpZ, | 0:14:25 | 0:14:30 | |
which is a virus that infects chimpanzees. | 0:14:30 | 0:14:32 | |
The question that I get asked is, | 0:14:32 | 0:14:34 | |
did someone have sex with a chimpanzee? | 0:14:34 | 0:14:36 | |
If you see and watch chimpanzees in their habitat, right? | 0:14:36 | 0:14:40 | |
Their aggressivity, their teeth, right? Their strength. | 0:14:40 | 0:14:44 | |
Realistically, you know, that's not what's happened. | 0:14:44 | 0:14:47 | |
It's believed the virus made the jump to humans | 0:14:47 | 0:14:49 | |
in Central Africa where chimps are sometimes butchered for their meat. | 0:14:49 | 0:14:53 | |
-You know that I have lived in this part of the world. -Mm-hm. | 0:14:53 | 0:14:57 | |
And... So I brought some photographs. | 0:14:57 | 0:15:00 | |
This is a man butchering... | 0:15:00 | 0:15:04 | |
-OK. -..a small monkey. | 0:15:04 | 0:15:06 | |
But I think you get a very good idea that this is not an environment | 0:15:06 | 0:15:09 | |
where it's possible to avoid contact with the monkey blood. | 0:15:09 | 0:15:13 | |
-Exactly. -And we think this is how the virus was introduced | 0:15:13 | 0:15:17 | |
into the human population. | 0:15:17 | 0:15:18 | |
For more than 50 years, | 0:15:20 | 0:15:21 | |
the virus had such a small impact it wasn't noticed. | 0:15:21 | 0:15:25 | |
But by the early 1980s, the world was facing a new and deadly disease. | 0:15:25 | 0:15:29 | |
Without any effective drugs to treat it, | 0:15:31 | 0:15:33 | |
doctors like Caroline Bradbeer were delivering what amounted | 0:15:33 | 0:15:36 | |
to a death sentence to an increasing number of patients. | 0:15:36 | 0:15:40 | |
One of those was Jerry Patterson, who's managed to survive against | 0:15:41 | 0:15:45 | |
extraordinary odds. | 0:15:45 | 0:15:47 | |
Oh, my God! | 0:15:47 | 0:15:49 | |
-This is an absolute delight! -Come round here. | 0:15:49 | 0:15:52 | |
Sorry, I'm a bit welled up. | 0:15:52 | 0:15:53 | |
-Oh, sweetie! -They haven't seen each other for years, but the memories | 0:15:53 | 0:15:56 | |
are still vivid. | 0:15:56 | 0:15:57 | |
It really is. You look wonderful. | 0:15:57 | 0:16:00 | |
So do you. | 0:16:00 | 0:16:01 | |
Well, I was ushered straight into a cubicle. | 0:16:01 | 0:16:04 | |
And the curtain went back and in you walked. | 0:16:04 | 0:16:07 | |
And you'd got the result back, and it was an HIV-positive result, | 0:16:07 | 0:16:11 | |
and you said that I was being admitted. | 0:16:11 | 0:16:14 | |
I knew I could talk to you. | 0:16:14 | 0:16:16 | |
A spade is a spade. I said, "Give it how it is." | 0:16:18 | 0:16:21 | |
You said, two years. | 0:16:21 | 0:16:24 | |
And here we are 28 years later, and we're having afternoon tea! | 0:16:24 | 0:16:28 | |
It's wonderful, isn't it? I mean, it's just such an incredible thing. | 0:16:28 | 0:16:33 | |
I'm so glad you came through it. | 0:16:33 | 0:16:35 | |
Gosh! Golly. | 0:16:36 | 0:16:39 | |
So young. How old were you? | 0:16:39 | 0:16:41 | |
28. | 0:16:41 | 0:16:43 | |
For young men like Jerry, the symptoms were devastating. | 0:16:43 | 0:16:47 | |
The immune system was just crashing. | 0:16:47 | 0:16:50 | |
The Kaposi's sarcoma, which was a form of cancer on the skin, | 0:16:50 | 0:16:54 | |
would be these lesions appearing. | 0:16:54 | 0:16:56 | |
-The banes of my existence were warts on my fingers, molluscum... -Yes. | 0:16:56 | 0:17:01 | |
Which of course looks horrible because it looks like awful acne. | 0:17:01 | 0:17:05 | |
Yes. And of course the gauntness was the other thing, | 0:17:05 | 0:17:07 | |
the atrophy in the face. | 0:17:07 | 0:17:09 | |
Yes, yes. They shrunk down to a level where you think, | 0:17:09 | 0:17:13 | |
"Why are they still alive?" | 0:17:13 | 0:17:15 | |
Which was taken... | 0:17:15 | 0:17:16 | |
But by the late 1990s, everything was about to change. | 0:17:16 | 0:17:20 | |
Scientists had discovered the first effective treatments against HIV. | 0:17:20 | 0:17:25 | |
And Jerry had held on long enough to become one of the first to try them. | 0:17:25 | 0:17:29 | |
It was amazing when we suddenly had treatments that worked. | 0:17:30 | 0:17:34 | |
It took a while... | 0:17:34 | 0:17:37 | |
to believe it. It took a while to persuade both the clinicians | 0:17:37 | 0:17:41 | |
and the patients to take the medication | 0:17:41 | 0:17:45 | |
because we'd had so many false starts, | 0:17:45 | 0:17:47 | |
and there was always the worry that the side-effects would be worse than | 0:17:47 | 0:17:51 | |
the benefits. | 0:17:51 | 0:17:52 | |
But once it became clear that people could get better, | 0:17:52 | 0:17:58 | |
you saw the most amazing things. | 0:17:58 | 0:18:00 | |
I had the warts, I had the molluscum, | 0:18:00 | 0:18:03 | |
and within weeks, I looked at my hand, | 0:18:03 | 0:18:06 | |
the warts had gone. | 0:18:06 | 0:18:07 | |
He's very lucky, but it would have been even better if he hadn't been | 0:18:07 | 0:18:11 | |
infected in the first place. | 0:18:11 | 0:18:13 | |
Nowadays, if people are taking their medication properly, | 0:18:13 | 0:18:15 | |
actually the consultation goes along the lines of, | 0:18:15 | 0:18:17 | |
"Where are you going on your holidays?" | 0:18:17 | 0:18:19 | |
It's a bit like going to the hairdresser. It really is... | 0:18:19 | 0:18:22 | |
..just carrying on giving the same prescription. | 0:18:23 | 0:18:26 | |
Which is incredible. | 0:18:27 | 0:18:29 | |
So, 30 years later, | 0:18:31 | 0:18:32 | |
we now have drugs that can keep HIV under control. | 0:18:32 | 0:18:36 | |
But there's still a long way to go. | 0:18:37 | 0:18:39 | |
Whilst the diagnosis of HIV is not a death sentence in Britain any more, | 0:18:41 | 0:18:45 | |
thousands of us don't know we carry the virus. | 0:18:45 | 0:18:49 | |
I spoke to people in my lab about whether or not | 0:18:49 | 0:18:51 | |
they would have regular tests since we all handle live virus, | 0:18:51 | 0:18:54 | |
and they all said no! | 0:18:54 | 0:18:55 | |
None of them have regular HIV tests. | 0:18:55 | 0:18:57 | |
So why is that? | 0:18:58 | 0:18:59 | |
Is it because they're too afraid to have a test? | 0:19:00 | 0:19:04 | |
They don't want the information? | 0:19:04 | 0:19:05 | |
Or is it because they're not afraid enough? | 0:19:05 | 0:19:07 | |
It's been several years since my last test and, to be honest, | 0:19:10 | 0:19:13 | |
I've left it longer than I should have. | 0:19:13 | 0:19:15 | |
But these days, testing can be as simple as ordering | 0:19:17 | 0:19:20 | |
a do-it-yourself kit over the internet. | 0:19:20 | 0:19:23 | |
I think everyone should HIV test | 0:19:23 | 0:19:26 | |
because there is almost no-one for whom the risk is zero. | 0:19:26 | 0:19:30 | |
For me, it's much more than zero. | 0:19:31 | 0:19:32 | |
You know, I've had more than one sexual partner, | 0:19:32 | 0:19:34 | |
I've had unprotected sex previously, | 0:19:34 | 0:19:36 | |
and I work in an HIV lab, mainly. | 0:19:36 | 0:19:39 | |
I handle enormous quantities of live virus - | 0:19:39 | 0:19:43 | |
so fluid that is hundreds or thousands of times | 0:19:43 | 0:19:48 | |
more concentrated virus | 0:19:48 | 0:19:50 | |
than you'd ever find in the sickest patient's body. | 0:19:50 | 0:19:53 | |
Yeah, I'd be lying if I said | 0:19:55 | 0:19:56 | |
I didn't have some butterflies about this. | 0:19:56 | 0:19:59 | |
Your how-to test guide. HE CLEARS THROAT | 0:19:59 | 0:20:02 | |
So there's a "If your result is positive..." The basics. | 0:20:02 | 0:20:06 | |
If I test positive, I think I'm not comfortable, | 0:20:07 | 0:20:11 | |
but I think I'm OK with saying I have HIV. | 0:20:11 | 0:20:16 | |
Or at least... | 0:20:16 | 0:20:17 | |
..I think I would be... | 0:20:20 | 0:20:21 | |
..such a hypocrite if I didn't | 0:20:22 | 0:20:23 | |
that I wouldn't be able to live with myself. | 0:20:23 | 0:20:26 | |
So you need to remove the buffer part. | 0:20:26 | 0:20:28 | |
Push the test device hard into the buffer box. | 0:20:36 | 0:20:39 | |
So it's like a pregnancy test. | 0:20:40 | 0:20:42 | |
If you get two lines, you're positive. | 0:20:42 | 0:20:45 | |
OK. Let's make a cup of tea. | 0:20:45 | 0:20:47 | |
As I wait, I'm running through all the ways I might have caught HIV. | 0:20:53 | 0:20:57 | |
I've been careless in the lab. | 0:20:59 | 0:21:00 | |
My wife's recently become positive and hasn't told me. | 0:21:01 | 0:21:04 | |
This is a weird situation, | 0:21:05 | 0:21:07 | |
and I think that the legacy of the public health campaign | 0:21:07 | 0:21:09 | |
is it turns me about HIV, and I think many people... | 0:21:09 | 0:21:12 | |
ALARM SOUNDS Oh, there we go. It turns... | 0:21:12 | 0:21:15 | |
..people of my generation into HIV hypochondriacs. | 0:21:16 | 0:21:21 | |
OK, so that is a negative result. | 0:21:33 | 0:21:35 | |
HE EXHALES LOUDLY | 0:21:37 | 0:21:38 | |
Gosh, I feel real... Honestly, my heart is really... | 0:21:38 | 0:21:41 | |
..pounding. That is a load off, though. | 0:21:43 | 0:21:46 | |
The unequivocal truth is it is better to know. | 0:21:48 | 0:21:50 | |
It is better to know if you're negative, and it's better to know | 0:21:50 | 0:21:53 | |
if you're positive. And it's better to understand if you are negative | 0:21:53 | 0:21:55 | |
that you may not always be negative. | 0:21:55 | 0:21:57 | |
That the next time you have unprotected sex | 0:21:58 | 0:22:01 | |
warrants another HIV test. | 0:22:01 | 0:22:02 | |
So what's it like nowadays for the 6,000 people who test positive | 0:22:06 | 0:22:11 | |
in the UK each year? | 0:22:11 | 0:22:12 | |
-Michael. -Hi, how you doing, Chris? | 0:22:16 | 0:22:18 | |
I've come to Glasgow, | 0:22:18 | 0:22:20 | |
where 31-year-old Michael is coming to terms with his recent news. | 0:22:20 | 0:22:24 | |
Fourth of July, it was. I'd been on a... | 0:22:26 | 0:22:29 | |
So, fourth of July, so two months ago? | 0:22:29 | 0:22:32 | |
Two months ago, yep. Really recent. | 0:22:32 | 0:22:34 | |
I was on a dating app. | 0:22:34 | 0:22:36 | |
Now, while you're on it, you always get messages popping up | 0:22:36 | 0:22:40 | |
saying to you, HIV tests, STI tests and things like that. | 0:22:40 | 0:22:44 | |
And I thought, "HIV test, I'll get it done, tick it off my list. | 0:22:44 | 0:22:48 | |
"Nothing to worry about." | 0:22:48 | 0:22:49 | |
I was actually quite blase with it, | 0:22:49 | 0:22:51 | |
assuming it was going to be negative. | 0:22:51 | 0:22:53 | |
I went in and the gentleman that was passing me my results says to me, | 0:22:53 | 0:22:58 | |
"We've got your results back, and they are HIV positive." | 0:22:58 | 0:23:02 | |
Erm... | 0:23:05 | 0:23:06 | |
Yeah, it's probably the worst words that you can hear | 0:23:07 | 0:23:11 | |
getting told to you. | 0:23:11 | 0:23:12 | |
I just went numb. Completely numb. | 0:23:14 | 0:23:17 | |
I had no thought, I had no feeling. | 0:23:17 | 0:23:19 | |
There was nothing. | 0:23:22 | 0:23:23 | |
Pure blankness. | 0:23:23 | 0:23:25 | |
As far as I was concerned, that was my death certificate written for me. | 0:23:25 | 0:23:30 | |
-Really? -That was as much as I knew. | 0:23:30 | 0:23:32 | |
You get HIV, it develops into AIDS, and unfortunately there's no cure. | 0:23:32 | 0:23:37 | |
Obviously, cos I was crying, trying to take it in, | 0:23:37 | 0:23:40 | |
he told me this does not mean that I'm going to die. | 0:23:40 | 0:23:45 | |
It won't develop into AIDS because it doesn't happen any more. | 0:23:45 | 0:23:50 | |
Worst-case scenario what will happen is I'll be on two meds a day. | 0:23:50 | 0:23:53 | |
Two tablets that I'll need to take for the rest of my life. | 0:23:53 | 0:23:56 | |
There are very few miracle drugs in modern medicine, but this really is, | 0:23:58 | 0:24:02 | |
I would describe it as, a miracle drug. | 0:24:02 | 0:24:04 | |
We always say, "This isn't a cure. | 0:24:04 | 0:24:06 | |
"You're not cured. You still have HIV." | 0:24:06 | 0:24:08 | |
So if you ever stop taking these, | 0:24:08 | 0:24:10 | |
-you understand that the virus will come back. -Bounce back. | 0:24:10 | 0:24:14 | |
But kind of the astounding thing to me is still that, | 0:24:14 | 0:24:16 | |
if you do keep taking these every day at the same time, | 0:24:16 | 0:24:19 | |
that your life expectancy is essentially unaffected. | 0:24:19 | 0:24:22 | |
-Perfect. -Have you missed a day? | 0:24:22 | 0:24:23 | |
-Nope. -Not a single one? -Not a single one. | 0:24:23 | 0:24:26 | |
Anti-retroviral drugs, or ARVs, | 0:24:28 | 0:24:31 | |
block the enzymes that HIV uses to infect immune cells. | 0:24:31 | 0:24:35 | |
This stops the virus multiplying any further and brings HIV levels in the | 0:24:36 | 0:24:40 | |
blood down to almost zero. | 0:24:40 | 0:24:42 | |
As long as you keep taking the pills. | 0:24:43 | 0:24:45 | |
Today, two months after starting treatment, | 0:24:47 | 0:24:50 | |
Michael is going to find out | 0:24:50 | 0:24:52 | |
how much virus is still present in his body, | 0:24:52 | 0:24:54 | |
what doctors call his viral load. | 0:24:54 | 0:24:58 | |
-Thank you. -We'll look at some of your results. | 0:24:58 | 0:25:00 | |
It's been a few weeks now, I think, since you started treatment for HIV. | 0:25:00 | 0:25:04 | |
Tell me how that has gone for you. | 0:25:04 | 0:25:06 | |
-Really well, actually. -That's really good to hear. | 0:25:06 | 0:25:08 | |
As you are aware, I was really concerned about side effects. | 0:25:08 | 0:25:11 | |
-Mm-hm. -I've had none, absolutely none. | 0:25:11 | 0:25:13 | |
-What else would you want to know about this? -My viral load. | 0:25:13 | 0:25:16 | |
-Your viral load, I thought you'd be coming on to that. -That is the key one that I want to know. | 0:25:16 | 0:25:19 | |
So I've seen people whose viral loads | 0:25:19 | 0:25:21 | |
are more than a million copies, | 0:25:21 | 0:25:23 | |
and that number is the amount of virus that you have | 0:25:23 | 0:25:26 | |
in every millilitre of your blood. | 0:25:26 | 0:25:28 | |
So this value was just reported a few weeks ago, | 0:25:28 | 0:25:30 | |
and this value is not detected. | 0:25:30 | 0:25:33 | |
Physically, we've switched off | 0:25:33 | 0:25:35 | |
the virus making new copies of itself and | 0:25:35 | 0:25:37 | |
now there's no copies in your blood at all. | 0:25:37 | 0:25:39 | |
-I want a copy of that. -A copy of that? | 0:25:43 | 0:25:44 | |
-I want that in black-and-white. -We'll print that out for you. | 0:25:44 | 0:25:47 | |
I can get that framed. I'm amazed it can happen so quick. | 0:25:47 | 0:25:49 | |
How do I ensure that always stays non-detectable? | 0:25:49 | 0:25:52 | |
So, the virus is not cured. | 0:25:52 | 0:25:55 | |
-Yes. Yes. -There are copies of the virus in your body, but they're all | 0:25:55 | 0:25:59 | |
completely suppressed, | 0:25:59 | 0:26:00 | |
and the reason of that is that you're taking your tablets. | 0:26:00 | 0:26:03 | |
And just to clarify as well, that's... | 0:26:03 | 0:26:05 | |
I am not infectious. | 0:26:05 | 0:26:08 | |
There's no way even with unprotected sex, if that happens, | 0:26:08 | 0:26:11 | |
that I can infect somebody? | 0:26:11 | 0:26:13 | |
So if you're able to take your tablets, a pill every day, | 0:26:13 | 0:26:16 | |
you'd have almost no risk of passing on HIV to anyone else. | 0:26:16 | 0:26:21 | |
I can just get on with my normal life | 0:26:22 | 0:26:24 | |
without actually having to think about HIV. | 0:26:24 | 0:26:26 | |
I've got my life back. | 0:26:26 | 0:26:28 | |
And it's great. | 0:26:28 | 0:26:30 | |
Michael is one of the lucky ones. | 0:26:30 | 0:26:32 | |
But the trouble is, you have to be diagnosed before you can benefit | 0:26:34 | 0:26:38 | |
from the amazing treatments we now have. | 0:26:38 | 0:26:40 | |
Nearly one in eight people who have the virus | 0:26:41 | 0:26:44 | |
don't know they are infected. | 0:26:44 | 0:26:45 | |
And one of them was 43-year-old Addie. | 0:26:47 | 0:26:49 | |
SHE READS WITH SPEECH IMPAIRMENT | 0:26:50 | 0:26:54 | |
Perfect. OK. | 0:26:59 | 0:27:00 | |
This one is new to you, isn't it? | 0:27:00 | 0:27:02 | |
-It's new to me as well. -She had no idea she had HIV until a brain | 0:27:02 | 0:27:06 | |
infection caused by her depleted immune system left her struggling | 0:27:06 | 0:27:10 | |
to walk and talk. | 0:27:10 | 0:27:12 | |
Brain infections are common in patients | 0:27:15 | 0:27:18 | |
where HIV has gone undiagnosed for many years. | 0:27:18 | 0:27:21 | |
Hi. I'm here to see Addie. | 0:27:23 | 0:27:25 | |
I've come to the Mildmay Hospital in East London, | 0:27:25 | 0:27:28 | |
where they specialise in rehabilitating patients like Addie. | 0:27:28 | 0:27:31 | |
-Hi, Addie, I'm Chris. -Welcome, Chris. | 0:27:31 | 0:27:34 | |
-How are you? -Nice to meet you. | 0:27:34 | 0:27:37 | |
-Very, very nice to meet you, Addie. -Nice to meet you. | 0:27:37 | 0:27:40 | |
-Can I join in, Addie? -Yeah, yeah, yeah. | 0:27:40 | 0:27:42 | |
-Is that all right? -Yeah. Yeah, yeah. | 0:27:42 | 0:27:44 | |
We've done our warm-up now, Addie, | 0:27:44 | 0:27:45 | |
so we might come across to the parallel bars. | 0:27:45 | 0:27:48 | |
Oh, we're going to walk over there, are we? | 0:27:48 | 0:27:50 | |
Addie is now on ARVs and her HIV is under control, | 0:27:50 | 0:27:54 | |
but the damage to her brain may never be fully reversed. | 0:27:54 | 0:27:57 | |
You can't just feel them? | 0:28:04 | 0:28:05 | |
No, no. | 0:28:05 | 0:28:07 | |
And it's worth saying, it's very obvious, | 0:28:07 | 0:28:09 | |
simply standing here, I can feel your muscles flexing | 0:28:09 | 0:28:13 | |
and you're sweating to do this, aren't you? | 0:28:13 | 0:28:15 | |
Just standing here is quite hard work. | 0:28:15 | 0:28:17 | |
Is that true? | 0:28:17 | 0:28:18 | |
I shouldn't say sweating. | 0:28:20 | 0:28:21 | |
You're glowing. | 0:28:21 | 0:28:22 | |
You're perspiring gently. | 0:28:22 | 0:28:24 | |
So Addie's been coming... Start in January 2015. | 0:28:24 | 0:28:28 | |
And when you came in January, how good were you at the parallel bars? | 0:28:28 | 0:28:32 | |
-Very bad, very bad. -Very bad? | 0:28:32 | 0:28:33 | |
Nice and slowly. One hand at a time. | 0:28:33 | 0:28:36 | |
It's very interesting for me as a doctor to try and work out | 0:28:36 | 0:28:38 | |
where the problem is. | 0:28:38 | 0:28:39 | |
What's happened here? | 0:28:41 | 0:28:42 | |
This is quite similar to if someone's had a stroke, | 0:28:42 | 0:28:46 | |
where there's been some damage to the brain and it's affecting... | 0:28:46 | 0:28:49 | |
..I guess her ability to contract her muscles, | 0:28:51 | 0:28:54 | |
with her strength and her co-ordination, | 0:28:54 | 0:28:57 | |
which leads to problems with her balance, | 0:28:57 | 0:29:01 | |
difficulty standing and also with your coordination in terms of your | 0:29:01 | 0:29:05 | |
-speech as well. -It seems to me that you're working very hard to make the | 0:29:05 | 0:29:10 | |
-words with your mouth and tongue. -Yeah, yeah. | 0:29:10 | 0:29:12 | |
Is that a thing you've had to relearn to do? | 0:29:12 | 0:29:15 | |
Yeah, yeah, yeah. | 0:29:15 | 0:29:16 | |
Addie, are you always this cheerful? | 0:29:21 | 0:29:23 | |
Has that always just been your nature? | 0:29:27 | 0:29:30 | |
We're going to come and have a sit down. | 0:29:30 | 0:29:31 | |
-Do you want to gave a seat? -Yeah, yeah, yeah. | 0:29:31 | 0:29:33 | |
I'm conscious you are really working away here. | 0:29:33 | 0:29:36 | |
Yeah, I bet you're getting tired. | 0:29:36 | 0:29:37 | |
What was Addie's prognosis when she came here? | 0:29:37 | 0:29:42 | |
It was very bad. She had just been given about three months to live. | 0:29:42 | 0:29:46 | |
So she had virtually no functioning immune system? | 0:29:46 | 0:29:49 | |
No, she didn't. | 0:29:49 | 0:29:51 | |
So you were in a bad way. | 0:29:51 | 0:29:52 | |
And you were given three months to live. | 0:29:53 | 0:29:55 | |
It's remarkable, I think, to work with someone like you, Addie, | 0:29:55 | 0:29:59 | |
where you've had this very severe brain damage, really. | 0:29:59 | 0:30:03 | |
Let's call it what it is. | 0:30:03 | 0:30:04 | |
But at your age, the brain is sufficiently plastic | 0:30:04 | 0:30:08 | |
that you can retrain it and gain a lot of function. | 0:30:08 | 0:30:10 | |
Exactly, and there has been quite remarkable improvement. | 0:30:10 | 0:30:14 | |
THEY SING "Amazing Grace" | 0:30:14 | 0:30:16 | |
Singing therapy is now helping Addie to rebuild her power of speech. | 0:30:16 | 0:30:20 | |
And the Mildmay has been at the forefront | 0:30:24 | 0:30:27 | |
of treating HIV and AIDS for the past 30 years. | 0:30:27 | 0:30:30 | |
-REPORTER: -The Princess of Wales has been visiting AIDS sufferers | 0:30:34 | 0:30:37 | |
in an East London hospital. | 0:30:37 | 0:30:38 | |
This morning, she spent time with patients at the hospice wing | 0:30:38 | 0:30:42 | |
of the Mildmay hospital. | 0:30:42 | 0:30:43 | |
In 1989, in the full glare of the media, | 0:30:45 | 0:30:48 | |
Princess Diana openly shook hands with patients who had AIDS. | 0:30:48 | 0:30:52 | |
It was a landmark moment in challenging the stigma | 0:30:52 | 0:30:55 | |
surrounding the disease. | 0:30:55 | 0:30:58 | |
And her legacy continues to this day. | 0:30:58 | 0:31:00 | |
Addie, I think you've got a visitor. | 0:31:05 | 0:31:07 | |
Who? Prince Harry! | 0:31:07 | 0:31:09 | |
-Prince Harry! -Hello. | 0:31:11 | 0:31:14 | |
Stay, stay, stay. How are you? | 0:31:14 | 0:31:16 | |
-I'm fine. -Nice to see you again. | 0:31:16 | 0:31:18 | |
-Nice to see you too. -I heard you singing outside. | 0:31:18 | 0:31:20 | |
Yeah. Yeah, yeah. | 0:31:20 | 0:31:21 | |
-Amazing. Literally, Amazing Grace, wasn't it? -Yeah. -It was. | 0:31:21 | 0:31:25 | |
Prince Harry has met Addie before, and she has made real progress. | 0:31:25 | 0:31:30 | |
Understandably, there is huge frustrations for you | 0:31:31 | 0:31:35 | |
because of your speech. | 0:31:35 | 0:31:36 | |
People... People... | 0:31:36 | 0:31:39 | |
Yeah. | 0:31:40 | 0:31:41 | |
-Can I have a...? -Thank you, Prince. -We'll see you. -Yeah, yeah. | 0:31:44 | 0:31:47 | |
Addie's story proves that when it comes to HIV, | 0:31:47 | 0:31:50 | |
an early diagnosis is crucial. | 0:31:50 | 0:31:52 | |
And the only way to be sure of that is regular testing. | 0:31:52 | 0:31:57 | |
The key point of this is how easy it was, | 0:31:57 | 0:31:59 | |
and how easy it was for you as well. | 0:31:59 | 0:32:01 | |
You had a home-testing kit. | 0:32:01 | 0:32:02 | |
I went in and the only reason I did it live was because I wanted to show | 0:32:02 | 0:32:05 | |
to everybody how easy it is and how normal it is. | 0:32:05 | 0:32:09 | |
Imagine if we could create a movement where everybody... | 0:32:09 | 0:32:13 | |
everyone goes and gets tested. You know, if you're not going to get | 0:32:13 | 0:32:16 | |
tested for yourself and you're not going to go | 0:32:16 | 0:32:18 | |
and get tested for your loved ones that you could possibly infect, | 0:32:18 | 0:32:21 | |
then - I don't know whether it's a selfish thing to say or not - | 0:32:21 | 0:32:24 | |
but if you respect what my mother stood for, | 0:32:24 | 0:32:26 | |
go and get tested for her. | 0:32:26 | 0:32:27 | |
You know, you've got 20 years next year since she died, | 0:32:27 | 0:32:31 | |
and 30 years ago, | 0:32:31 | 0:32:32 | |
she was in the hospital and she did something that no-one else had ever | 0:32:32 | 0:32:35 | |
done before, and she started this whole thing. | 0:32:35 | 0:32:38 | |
Is that partly what is inspiring you to do this? | 0:32:38 | 0:32:42 | |
Yes. You know, if she were still here today... | 0:32:42 | 0:32:45 | |
she would... Well, she'd probably get tested every month | 0:32:45 | 0:32:48 | |
just to prove the point. | 0:32:48 | 0:32:49 | |
There's so much stigma simply around a name or an acronym that we need... | 0:32:49 | 0:32:55 | |
we need... | 0:32:55 | 0:32:57 | |
You know, it's 2016, for God's sake. | 0:32:57 | 0:32:59 | |
I mean, we need to start rethinking | 0:32:59 | 0:33:01 | |
the whole Acquired... What is it? Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome. | 0:33:01 | 0:33:06 | |
When you actually lay it out and you spell it out, you suddenly go, | 0:33:07 | 0:33:11 | |
"It's not actually that terrifying at all." | 0:33:11 | 0:33:14 | |
Obviously, if you speak to someone who's suffering from it, | 0:33:14 | 0:33:16 | |
of course it's terrifying because it can kill you. | 0:33:16 | 0:33:19 | |
But the point I'm trying to make is, | 0:33:19 | 0:33:21 | |
if you can't even say the word without cringing or worrying | 0:33:21 | 0:33:24 | |
or freaking out about it, | 0:33:24 | 0:33:26 | |
how the hell are we going to help everybody and solve this | 0:33:26 | 0:33:29 | |
problem before it gets too big? | 0:33:29 | 0:33:30 | |
I think most people would admit that they've had sex without a condom, | 0:33:30 | 0:33:35 | |
and that is always a moment - the next day, probably - | 0:33:35 | 0:33:39 | |
when you think to yourself, | 0:33:39 | 0:33:40 | |
"You know what, Christ, I probably need to, | 0:33:40 | 0:33:42 | |
"you know, go and get a checkup." | 0:33:42 | 0:33:44 | |
Why did you want to take this on as a cause? | 0:33:44 | 0:33:47 | |
The issue itself needs... | 0:33:47 | 0:33:50 | |
..a straight guy, mid-30s, early 30s... | 0:33:51 | 0:33:54 | |
..to come in and try and normalise it. | 0:33:55 | 0:33:59 | |
And once again, I'm fortunate enough to be in this position to be able to | 0:33:59 | 0:34:03 | |
make a difference. Let's start in the UK. | 0:34:03 | 0:34:05 | |
Let's lead by example, and then help everybody else. | 0:34:05 | 0:34:08 | |
In Britain, we've come a long, | 0:34:14 | 0:34:15 | |
long way since Princess Diana extended the hand of compassion | 0:34:15 | 0:34:19 | |
to people with AIDS. | 0:34:19 | 0:34:21 | |
But huge challenges still remain. | 0:34:23 | 0:34:26 | |
I'm off to a part of the world where the worst-case scenario | 0:34:27 | 0:34:31 | |
the doctors feared for the UK | 0:34:31 | 0:34:33 | |
has now become a catastrophe of unimaginable proportions. | 0:34:33 | 0:34:37 | |
I've come to South Africa, the worst affected country in the world, | 0:34:42 | 0:34:47 | |
where nearly 200,000 people still die every year. | 0:34:47 | 0:34:50 | |
So South Africa is an example of what happens when you don't have | 0:34:54 | 0:34:59 | |
a really effective public health campaign | 0:34:59 | 0:35:02 | |
in the early stages of an HIV epidemic. | 0:35:02 | 0:35:05 | |
So, in the UK, we did. | 0:35:05 | 0:35:07 | |
In South Africa, they didn't. | 0:35:07 | 0:35:09 | |
So today, there are 7 million people living here with HIV. | 0:35:09 | 0:35:13 | |
It has one of the highest infection rates in the world. | 0:35:13 | 0:35:15 | |
This is the front line of the war against the virus. | 0:35:18 | 0:35:21 | |
In a bid to end the epidemic, | 0:35:22 | 0:35:24 | |
the UN has now set an ambitious global target. | 0:35:24 | 0:35:27 | |
They're calling it 90-90-90. | 0:35:27 | 0:35:30 | |
Diagnosis of 90% of people with HIV, | 0:35:31 | 0:35:35 | |
getting 90% of those onto medication, | 0:35:35 | 0:35:38 | |
and suppressing the virus in 90% of those. | 0:35:38 | 0:35:42 | |
The latest scientific models show | 0:35:45 | 0:35:47 | |
that if the 90-90-90 goal is achieved, | 0:35:47 | 0:35:50 | |
it could end the epidemic in less than 15 years. | 0:35:50 | 0:35:53 | |
So I'm heading to a clinic in KwaZulu-Natal, | 0:35:56 | 0:35:59 | |
the hardest-hit province in South Africa, | 0:35:59 | 0:36:01 | |
to see how they're trying to reach that target. | 0:36:01 | 0:36:04 | |
As I arrive, I take the opportunity to speak with some locals who are | 0:36:08 | 0:36:12 | |
selling fruit outside the clinic. | 0:36:12 | 0:36:14 | |
How are you guys? Do you mind talking to me? | 0:36:14 | 0:36:16 | |
THEY SPEAK ZULU | 0:36:16 | 0:36:19 | |
We're making a programme about HIV, | 0:36:19 | 0:36:23 | |
and I wanted to know what you all thought about it. | 0:36:23 | 0:36:26 | |
Oh! | 0:36:26 | 0:36:29 | |
THEY SPEAK ZULU | 0:36:29 | 0:36:32 | |
My Zulu is a bit rusty, I'm afraid. | 0:36:36 | 0:36:38 | |
The lady, she's saying, basically, | 0:36:41 | 0:36:43 | |
all the kids have passed away | 0:36:43 | 0:36:46 | |
because of HIV. | 0:36:46 | 0:36:49 | |
I hadn't understood how serious it was. | 0:36:49 | 0:36:51 | |
She has lost six children? | 0:37:00 | 0:37:01 | |
-Yeah. -Yes. -OK. | 0:37:01 | 0:37:03 | |
I'm very sorry. I'm very sorry. | 0:37:03 | 0:37:05 | |
Thank you. | 0:37:05 | 0:37:06 | |
Is it a thing that young people understand? | 0:37:06 | 0:37:10 | |
You get these from the clinic? | 0:37:24 | 0:37:26 | |
Nothing can prepare you for hearing stories like these, | 0:37:44 | 0:37:48 | |
but at the Macabuzela Clinic, | 0:37:48 | 0:37:50 | |
this is what they're dealing with every single day. | 0:37:50 | 0:37:53 | |
SINGING IN ZULU | 0:37:53 | 0:37:56 | |
Which is why it's all the more amazing that they begin each morning | 0:37:56 | 0:38:00 | |
with such an uplifting song. | 0:38:00 | 0:38:01 | |
The clinic covers an area of 13,000 people, | 0:38:15 | 0:38:18 | |
roughly the same as a busy GP practice in the UK. | 0:38:18 | 0:38:21 | |
And many of the common conditions they treat are the same. | 0:38:25 | 0:38:27 | |
High blood pressure, diabetes, | 0:38:29 | 0:38:31 | |
mental health, epilepsy, diarrhoea, asthma. | 0:38:31 | 0:38:34 | |
But strikingly, at the top of the list is the term | 0:38:34 | 0:38:37 | |
"People living with HIV and AIDS". | 0:38:37 | 0:38:41 | |
I really want to understand why HIV is so widespread in this part of the | 0:38:41 | 0:38:46 | |
world. | 0:38:46 | 0:38:47 | |
The first patient is a teenager. | 0:38:48 | 0:38:51 | |
Diagnosed HIV-positive just two months ago, | 0:38:51 | 0:38:54 | |
she prefers to stay anonymous. | 0:38:54 | 0:38:55 | |
What was it like to find out you were positive? | 0:38:58 | 0:39:00 | |
You told your mum? | 0:39:03 | 0:39:04 | |
You told your brother, OK. | 0:39:06 | 0:39:08 | |
So not your mum and your... So only one person knows? | 0:39:08 | 0:39:11 | |
Do you know the person that you think you caught it off? | 0:39:11 | 0:39:14 | |
Did you tell him? | 0:39:16 | 0:39:18 | |
-No. -Why? | 0:39:18 | 0:39:19 | |
He's 25 years older than you? | 0:39:25 | 0:39:28 | |
He's in his mid-40s. | 0:39:28 | 0:39:29 | |
OK. When you had sex, were you worried about HIV? | 0:39:29 | 0:39:34 | |
Did you say, "We should use a condom"? | 0:39:34 | 0:39:36 | |
And because she was in love with him, | 0:39:41 | 0:39:44 | |
-just allowed him to do unprotected sex. -OK. -Yeah. | 0:39:44 | 0:39:48 | |
They just dated for a week. | 0:39:48 | 0:39:50 | |
He just slept with her, then dumped her. | 0:39:50 | 0:39:53 | |
OK. Gosh. | 0:39:54 | 0:39:56 | |
The girl collects her prescription, | 0:40:10 | 0:40:12 | |
the same anti-retroviral drugs as in the UK, | 0:40:12 | 0:40:16 | |
and heads to school. | 0:40:16 | 0:40:17 | |
It's a desperate story, but not unusual. | 0:40:19 | 0:40:22 | |
Teenage girls in this part of South Africa have an 80% chance | 0:40:22 | 0:40:27 | |
of becoming HIV positive during their lifetime. | 0:40:27 | 0:40:29 | |
How does this make you feel? Because you're a young woman. | 0:40:30 | 0:40:33 | |
Does this make you mistrust men? | 0:40:33 | 0:40:35 | |
So often by then it's too late. | 0:40:42 | 0:40:44 | |
It's too late most of the time. | 0:40:44 | 0:40:46 | |
It's not a shortage of drugs that is killing people here. | 0:40:48 | 0:40:51 | |
South Africa now has the biggest anti-retroviral treatment programme | 0:40:54 | 0:40:58 | |
anywhere in the world. | 0:40:58 | 0:40:59 | |
For a doctor like me, | 0:41:04 | 0:41:05 | |
it's baffling there are still nearly 200,000 AIDS-related deaths here | 0:41:05 | 0:41:10 | |
every year. | 0:41:10 | 0:41:12 | |
I think they have come to regard this as completely normal. | 0:41:12 | 0:41:15 | |
There's the market. In that room, | 0:41:16 | 0:41:18 | |
in that Portakabin, are all the drugs to completely... | 0:41:18 | 0:41:22 | |
..end transmission and mean that no-one, almost no-one has to die. | 0:41:23 | 0:41:29 | |
That's the thing I don't feel I've in any way | 0:41:30 | 0:41:32 | |
really got under the skin of. | 0:41:32 | 0:41:34 | |
What are all the complicated factors that mean that people | 0:41:34 | 0:41:37 | |
don't go and seek treatment? | 0:41:37 | 0:41:39 | |
On the way back to my hotel, I decide to drop in at a local bar. | 0:41:43 | 0:41:47 | |
As a bloke, I want to hear what some of the men have to say. | 0:41:50 | 0:41:53 | |
Can I get a beer? A bottle of beer? | 0:41:58 | 0:42:00 | |
How are you, sir? | 0:42:03 | 0:42:05 | |
-What's your name? -Zotani. -Zotani? -Yes, sir. | 0:42:05 | 0:42:07 | |
We've discovered, out in the clinics, | 0:42:07 | 0:42:10 | |
that the young men don't want to get testing | 0:42:10 | 0:42:13 | |
and they don't want to get treated, | 0:42:13 | 0:42:14 | |
and I'm trying to understand why. | 0:42:14 | 0:42:17 | |
HE LAUGHS | 0:42:17 | 0:42:18 | |
Why haven't you had an HIV test in three years? | 0:42:23 | 0:42:27 | |
Do you have a girlfriend now? | 0:42:30 | 0:42:32 | |
-Yeah, I have three. -You've got three girlfriends? | 0:42:32 | 0:42:34 | |
In KwaZulu-Natal, | 0:42:34 | 0:42:36 | |
30% of people have HIV. | 0:42:36 | 0:42:39 | |
So there is a good chance that one | 0:42:39 | 0:42:41 | |
of your three girlfriends will have HIV. | 0:42:41 | 0:42:43 | |
You should go and get a test. | 0:42:43 | 0:42:45 | |
-Go and do it tomorrow. Go and get tested. -My own time. | 0:42:48 | 0:42:51 | |
But going to the clinic can be fraught with embarrassment | 0:42:51 | 0:42:54 | |
and fear for these men. | 0:42:54 | 0:42:55 | |
When you go and you test positive, at a clinic, people will know. | 0:43:12 | 0:43:16 | |
It's so important for you to have some confidentiality. | 0:43:22 | 0:43:25 | |
If I knew when I went and had an HIV test, and then went every month | 0:43:27 | 0:43:31 | |
when I had to go and get my pills to be treated, | 0:43:31 | 0:43:34 | |
everyone would know, you know what, | 0:43:34 | 0:43:35 | |
honestly, I might not get tested. | 0:43:35 | 0:43:38 | |
I hope I would, but I can't say hand on my heart that that wouldn't push | 0:43:38 | 0:43:43 | |
me away from the clinic. | 0:43:43 | 0:43:44 | |
So, if the men won't come to the clinic, | 0:43:50 | 0:43:53 | |
a pioneering scientific trial is taking the clinic to the men, | 0:43:53 | 0:43:57 | |
in a bid to diagnose 90% of people who have HIV. | 0:43:57 | 0:44:01 | |
For the past four years, | 0:44:03 | 0:44:04 | |
testing teams have been visiting every home | 0:44:04 | 0:44:07 | |
in an area of 22,000 people. | 0:44:07 | 0:44:10 | |
No-one is singled out, | 0:44:11 | 0:44:12 | |
and people can avoid the stigma of their neighbours knowing. | 0:44:12 | 0:44:16 | |
How are you, my friend? | 0:44:24 | 0:44:26 | |
Themba, a 60-year-old widower, | 0:44:26 | 0:44:28 | |
was one of those who tested positive | 0:44:28 | 0:44:30 | |
when fieldworkers visited his home in 2014. | 0:44:30 | 0:44:34 | |
-Can we see? -Yes, you can come in. | 0:44:34 | 0:44:37 | |
Can I sit on the bed? | 0:44:39 | 0:44:40 | |
Do you like taking the pills? | 0:44:48 | 0:44:49 | |
-One pill at seven o'clock? -Yeah. -Every day. | 0:44:58 | 0:45:00 | |
Do you know your viral level? | 0:45:00 | 0:45:03 | |
Can we see the paper? | 0:45:03 | 0:45:04 | |
First viral load was 18,000, | 0:45:06 | 0:45:08 | |
and then, as soon as he started taking the drugs, | 0:45:08 | 0:45:11 | |
so, what, August to November, LDL, | 0:45:11 | 0:45:13 | |
which is lower than detectable limit. | 0:45:13 | 0:45:16 | |
Undetectable, undetectable, undetectable, undetectable. | 0:45:16 | 0:45:20 | |
So the pills are working very well. | 0:45:21 | 0:45:23 | |
Do you think you will ever have a girlfriend or a wife in the future? | 0:45:23 | 0:45:27 | |
He's thinking about it. | 0:45:31 | 0:45:32 | |
This treatment, it helps you live | 0:45:32 | 0:45:35 | |
a long time, but it also stops you | 0:45:35 | 0:45:39 | |
passing the virus on. | 0:45:39 | 0:45:40 | |
So that's the key thing. | 0:45:40 | 0:45:42 | |
There are two benefits. | 0:45:42 | 0:45:44 | |
It makes you live and it stops you giving the virus to anyone else. | 0:45:44 | 0:45:49 | |
So as long as your viral level | 0:45:49 | 0:45:51 | |
is undetectable, which yours is, | 0:45:51 | 0:45:54 | |
you won't give the virus to anyone. | 0:45:54 | 0:45:56 | |
Themba is just one small part of a much bigger plan | 0:46:02 | 0:46:06 | |
to try and end the epidemic within ten years. | 0:46:06 | 0:46:09 | |
But has the trial come anywhere close to reaching | 0:46:11 | 0:46:14 | |
the UN's 90-90-90 target? | 0:46:14 | 0:46:17 | |
To diagnose 90% of people with HIV, | 0:46:17 | 0:46:20 | |
to get 90% of them onto medication, | 0:46:20 | 0:46:24 | |
and suppress the virus in 90% of them. | 0:46:24 | 0:46:27 | |
At the Africa Health Research Institute, | 0:46:28 | 0:46:31 | |
I'm catching up with Professor Deenan Pillay, | 0:46:31 | 0:46:33 | |
who wants to show me how well they've done. | 0:46:33 | 0:46:37 | |
First up, diagnosis. | 0:46:37 | 0:46:39 | |
We were able to, in our trial, | 0:46:39 | 0:46:41 | |
-diagnose 92%... -Really? -..of those individuals | 0:46:41 | 0:46:45 | |
who are infected in this area. | 0:46:45 | 0:46:47 | |
We achieved that target. | 0:46:47 | 0:46:49 | |
So the next question is what proportion of these individuals | 0:46:49 | 0:46:53 | |
come to clinics? And unfortunately, | 0:46:53 | 0:46:56 | |
what we find is only 47% get into care. | 0:46:56 | 0:47:00 | |
And that's too low to get anywhere near | 0:47:00 | 0:47:04 | |
to start to reduce the epidemic. | 0:47:04 | 0:47:06 | |
So you've managed to get less than half of people with HIV | 0:47:06 | 0:47:10 | |
into treatment. Why? | 0:47:10 | 0:47:13 | |
It's a tremendous success that we've been able | 0:47:13 | 0:47:16 | |
to go into people's homes and convince them to be tested for HIV, | 0:47:16 | 0:47:21 | |
-but the point of that is that they get onto treatment. -Right. | 0:47:21 | 0:47:25 | |
I want to understand - that isn't because of a shortage of drugs | 0:47:25 | 0:47:28 | |
or a lack of money. The resources are there | 0:47:28 | 0:47:31 | |
if you can get people | 0:47:31 | 0:47:33 | |
to use them. Is that right? | 0:47:33 | 0:47:36 | |
We provided mobile clinics, | 0:47:36 | 0:47:40 | |
we provided the care for their HIV infection with no shortage of drugs | 0:47:40 | 0:47:46 | |
or diagnostics and always with sufficient staff. | 0:47:46 | 0:47:49 | |
I think defeating this awful HIV epidemic | 0:47:49 | 0:47:53 | |
requires an understanding of | 0:47:53 | 0:47:55 | |
society, as well as individuals, | 0:47:55 | 0:47:57 | |
as well as medicine. | 0:47:57 | 0:47:59 | |
And without an understanding of all of those, we will never defeat it. | 0:47:59 | 0:48:02 | |
I think, you know, 20 years ago, no-one... | 0:48:05 | 0:48:10 | |
I don't think anyone thought we'd get to this point where, | 0:48:10 | 0:48:12 | |
basically, | 0:48:12 | 0:48:14 | |
we've overcome all those kind of scientific, medical obstacles. | 0:48:14 | 0:48:19 | |
We have highly effective treatment | 0:48:19 | 0:48:21 | |
that works with very few side effects, | 0:48:21 | 0:48:24 | |
and it's cheap, and there's enough of it for everyone out there. | 0:48:24 | 0:48:28 | |
At this point, we're batting up against the hardest problem of all, | 0:48:28 | 0:48:31 | |
that feels so simple - | 0:48:31 | 0:48:33 | |
just persuading human beings to be rational and do the right thing - | 0:48:33 | 0:48:37 | |
and... | 0:48:37 | 0:48:38 | |
I'm sure we will get there, but that... | 0:48:41 | 0:48:44 | |
that, I guess... In any medical challenge, that is the hardest bit. | 0:48:44 | 0:48:48 | |
Back here in the UK, | 0:48:59 | 0:49:01 | |
it's easy to assume we are winning the battle against HIV. | 0:49:01 | 0:49:04 | |
Sitting here feels so different to KwaZulu-Natal | 0:49:06 | 0:49:09 | |
that it is hard to believe | 0:49:09 | 0:49:11 | |
that there could be any epidemic of infection at all. | 0:49:11 | 0:49:17 | |
But what can we do about the 6,000 new British infections every year? | 0:49:17 | 0:49:22 | |
Although condoms have made a huge difference to safer sex, | 0:49:23 | 0:49:26 | |
people still don't really like wearing them, | 0:49:26 | 0:49:29 | |
and given the choice, I'd rather not wear one either. | 0:49:29 | 0:49:31 | |
So what if there was a radical new way to prevent infection? | 0:49:34 | 0:49:38 | |
This is Harry Dodd. | 0:49:40 | 0:49:42 | |
As a sexually active young gay man, | 0:49:42 | 0:49:44 | |
he doesn't want to take any chances. | 0:49:44 | 0:49:47 | |
So he signed up to a clinical trial | 0:49:47 | 0:49:49 | |
of a revolutionary new pill called PrEP. | 0:49:49 | 0:49:53 | |
It contains two different anti-retroviral drugs | 0:49:53 | 0:49:56 | |
and can prevent HIV being contracted. | 0:49:56 | 0:49:59 | |
OK. Well done. | 0:49:59 | 0:50:01 | |
And Harry has regular checkups to make sure it's working. | 0:50:01 | 0:50:05 | |
What is PrEP? | 0:50:05 | 0:50:07 | |
PrEP stands for pre-exposure prophylactic, | 0:50:07 | 0:50:10 | |
so it's prevention that you take ahead of being exposed to a risk. | 0:50:10 | 0:50:14 | |
-Do you mind if I have a look? -Go ahead. | 0:50:14 | 0:50:16 | |
Are the drugs the same as the ones we use to treat HIV? | 0:50:16 | 0:50:20 | |
They are. Cos they work brilliantly to control the virus, | 0:50:20 | 0:50:23 | |
and that's what you're doing, | 0:50:23 | 0:50:24 | |
whether you're preventing it or you're treating it, | 0:50:24 | 0:50:27 | |
so the advantage of pre-exposure, | 0:50:27 | 0:50:30 | |
if you think there's going to be an exposure in the future, | 0:50:30 | 0:50:33 | |
is that the drug is there ready and waiting. | 0:50:33 | 0:50:35 | |
If you take the pill properly, every day as instructed, | 0:50:35 | 0:50:38 | |
the chances of contracting HIV are negligible. | 0:50:38 | 0:50:40 | |
For Harry, it's removed a lifelong fear of contracting HIV. | 0:50:41 | 0:50:46 | |
Growing up knowing you're gay, | 0:50:47 | 0:50:49 | |
that fear haunts you from the first time you become sexually active. | 0:50:49 | 0:50:53 | |
You have this guilt and fear and worry and concern | 0:50:53 | 0:50:57 | |
with almost any sexual partner you have. Even with the condom, | 0:50:57 | 0:51:01 | |
there's still the worry of the big one, which is HIV. | 0:51:01 | 0:51:04 | |
And PrEP takes that fear and that anxiety away from that experience. | 0:51:04 | 0:51:09 | |
OK, Harry. | 0:51:09 | 0:51:11 | |
We look for that one spot for negative, | 0:51:11 | 0:51:13 | |
two spots for positive. | 0:51:13 | 0:51:15 | |
One spot, negative. | 0:51:17 | 0:51:19 | |
Brilliant. | 0:51:19 | 0:51:20 | |
How do you feel? Are you relieved that the test is negative? | 0:51:20 | 0:51:23 | |
Of course I'm relieved that the result is negative, | 0:51:23 | 0:51:25 | |
but I didn't have any anxiety beforehand either... | 0:51:25 | 0:51:27 | |
-Really? -..because I appreciated that I've been taking PrEP | 0:51:27 | 0:51:31 | |
for three years and that the chances of me contracting HIV | 0:51:31 | 0:51:35 | |
are pretty much non-existent. | 0:51:35 | 0:51:38 | |
The thing that is amazing to me about this is, in this pot, | 0:51:38 | 0:51:42 | |
is the power to end the epidemic. | 0:51:42 | 0:51:45 | |
Yes. I mean, I completely agree with you. | 0:51:45 | 0:51:47 | |
This is the thing we need. | 0:51:47 | 0:51:48 | |
DRUMS AND MUSIC | 0:51:48 | 0:51:51 | |
At last summer's London Pride Festival, | 0:51:56 | 0:51:58 | |
Harry took to the streets with hundreds of others to campaign | 0:51:58 | 0:52:01 | |
for PrEP to be made available on the NHS. | 0:52:01 | 0:52:04 | |
-What do we want? -CROWD: -PrEP! -When do we want it? -Now! | 0:52:05 | 0:52:09 | |
-What do we want? -PrEP! -When do we want it? -Now! | 0:52:09 | 0:52:13 | |
Then, in December 2016, | 0:52:13 | 0:52:15 | |
the National AIDS Trust won an Appeal Court ruling | 0:52:15 | 0:52:18 | |
that NHS England and local authorities | 0:52:18 | 0:52:21 | |
do have the power to fund the provision of anti-retroviral drugs | 0:52:21 | 0:52:25 | |
for the prevention of HIV. | 0:52:25 | 0:52:27 | |
And so, a £10 million trial over the next three years was announced in | 0:52:27 | 0:52:31 | |
England, and then a further one in Wales, | 0:52:31 | 0:52:33 | |
whilst NHS Scotland announced that PrEP will be available there | 0:52:33 | 0:52:37 | |
this summer to those who need it. | 0:52:37 | 0:52:39 | |
Cost is a big factor, | 0:52:39 | 0:52:41 | |
and NHS England has challenged drug companies to supply at lower prices. | 0:52:41 | 0:52:45 | |
Now 10,000 more people will take part in these clinical trials | 0:52:46 | 0:52:50 | |
to answer what NHS England says are outstanding questions, | 0:52:50 | 0:52:54 | |
paving the way for a full roll-out. | 0:52:54 | 0:52:56 | |
But not all views on the subject were based on clinical concerns. | 0:52:58 | 0:53:02 | |
So this is an article in the Daily Mail. | 0:53:02 | 0:53:05 | |
Headline is, "NHS told to give out £5,000 a year | 0:53:05 | 0:53:09 | |
"lifestyle drug to prevent HIV as vital cataract surgery is rationed. | 0:53:09 | 0:53:15 | |
"What a skewed sense of values." | 0:53:15 | 0:53:18 | |
Calling it a lifestyle drug, I think, totally misunderstands. | 0:53:18 | 0:53:23 | |
Almost all the conditions we treat in the NHS | 0:53:23 | 0:53:26 | |
could be largely prevented | 0:53:26 | 0:53:29 | |
if people lived different lifestyles. | 0:53:29 | 0:53:30 | |
We never have a discussion saying we should not give out | 0:53:30 | 0:53:34 | |
blood pressure and cholesterol medication | 0:53:34 | 0:53:36 | |
to people who are overweight and unfit. | 0:53:36 | 0:53:38 | |
And to single out this particular highly effective pill as being a | 0:53:38 | 0:53:44 | |
lifestyle drug... | 0:53:44 | 0:53:46 | |
is really poisonous. | 0:53:46 | 0:53:48 | |
But whatever our attitudes to sexual health, or even sexual morality, | 0:53:48 | 0:53:52 | |
the use of PrEP has been all over the headlines recently, | 0:53:52 | 0:53:55 | |
and it does raise interesting, difficult questions. | 0:53:55 | 0:53:58 | |
I wanted to ask my own boss, Professor Greg Towers, | 0:53:58 | 0:54:01 | |
a leading expert on HIV, what he thought. | 0:54:01 | 0:54:04 | |
What you think about the idea that, for a lot of people, PrEP is a | 0:54:04 | 0:54:07 | |
lifestyle drug? It allows them to have high-risk sex. | 0:54:07 | 0:54:11 | |
Well, it allows them to not get HIV, which is the point. | 0:54:11 | 0:54:14 | |
I mean, you know, it's not | 0:54:14 | 0:54:15 | |
our business to be focusing on what people do, | 0:54:15 | 0:54:18 | |
it's about making a decision based | 0:54:18 | 0:54:20 | |
on how to improve the health of people in the UK, | 0:54:20 | 0:54:23 | |
and how to do that in the most cost-effective way. | 0:54:23 | 0:54:25 | |
Those people taking that drug will cost the NHS less | 0:54:25 | 0:54:29 | |
if they don't get HIV. | 0:54:29 | 0:54:30 | |
There is more money to treat patients if you save money | 0:54:30 | 0:54:33 | |
through not having to treat people for their entire lives | 0:54:33 | 0:54:36 | |
with very expensive drugs rather | 0:54:36 | 0:54:38 | |
than for a period where they're at risk of getting HIV. | 0:54:38 | 0:54:41 | |
Why aren't we rolling it out in England and Wales | 0:54:41 | 0:54:44 | |
in the way they have in Scotland? We're doing another trial. | 0:54:44 | 0:54:46 | |
We need to work out what drugs we're going to give, | 0:54:46 | 0:54:48 | |
who we're going to give them to... | 0:54:48 | 0:54:50 | |
Will everybody take it? Will the right people take it? | 0:54:50 | 0:54:52 | |
Will the right people have access to it? | 0:54:52 | 0:54:54 | |
You have to have due process, | 0:54:54 | 0:54:55 | |
you have to make sure that this is going to be the appropriate thing to do, | 0:54:55 | 0:54:58 | |
and to work out the appropriate way to do it. | 0:54:58 | 0:55:00 | |
So it isn't like we're doing a little trial and testing it in a few | 0:55:00 | 0:55:03 | |
hundred people. It is actually, in practice, going to be offered | 0:55:03 | 0:55:07 | |
to quite a large proportion of the eligible population. | 0:55:07 | 0:55:11 | |
Yeah. I don't know how big the eligible population is, but, yeah, | 0:55:11 | 0:55:13 | |
10,000 people is a lot of people who won't be at risk. | 0:55:13 | 0:55:17 | |
So why do you think that condoms and personal responsibility | 0:55:17 | 0:55:21 | |
aren't enough to stop the spread of HIV? | 0:55:21 | 0:55:23 | |
People just don't use them. You know, some people object to using them, | 0:55:23 | 0:55:26 | |
they don't want to, so it just doesn't work. | 0:55:26 | 0:55:28 | |
We know that now, and I don't think that's a realistic proposition for stopping the spread of HIV. | 0:55:28 | 0:55:32 | |
Do you think a cure is on the horizon? | 0:55:32 | 0:55:34 | |
A cure for HIV is, unfortunately, I think, a big ask at the moment, | 0:55:34 | 0:55:39 | |
because we don't understand enough about the biology of the virus | 0:55:39 | 0:55:41 | |
and its relationship with the immune system. | 0:55:41 | 0:55:44 | |
A lot of people are working on it. | 0:55:44 | 0:55:45 | |
It's certainly a possibility. | 0:55:45 | 0:55:47 | |
Will we cure it? | 0:55:47 | 0:55:49 | |
We're going to try. | 0:55:49 | 0:55:50 | |
The truth about HIV is that its treatment has been | 0:55:53 | 0:55:57 | |
one of the biggest breakthroughs in medical history, | 0:55:57 | 0:56:01 | |
but it's a disease that's not going away. | 0:56:01 | 0:56:04 | |
And many people are still diagnosed too late. | 0:56:06 | 0:56:09 | |
We have a potential end in sight, | 0:56:11 | 0:56:13 | |
but we have to get rid of the stigma | 0:56:13 | 0:56:15 | |
and we have to get rid of the hate and the shame. | 0:56:15 | 0:56:18 | |
Science has already given us the tools we need to defeat HIV. | 0:56:18 | 0:56:23 | |
What a fantastic thing for humanity to be able to say, | 0:56:23 | 0:56:26 | |
you know, "We've cured HIV." | 0:56:26 | 0:56:29 | |
Let's start in the UK. Let's lead by example. | 0:56:29 | 0:56:32 | |
We've got some of the most powerful drugs in medicine | 0:56:33 | 0:56:36 | |
that mean people can live long, healthy lives with HIV, | 0:56:36 | 0:56:39 | |
and crucially, they'll be uninfectious. | 0:56:39 | 0:56:42 | |
We even have pills that you can take that prevent you catching the virus | 0:56:42 | 0:56:46 | |
in the first place. Pills that are now available on the NHS, | 0:56:46 | 0:56:50 | |
in Scotland at least. | 0:56:50 | 0:56:52 | |
The money you spend on PrEP will save you all that treatment. | 0:56:52 | 0:56:54 | |
I mean, it's like... It doesn't make any sense not to put it out there. | 0:56:54 | 0:56:58 | |
It's just an economic no-brainer. | 0:56:58 | 0:57:00 | |
So it seems to me that the remaining challenge is about harnessing social | 0:57:02 | 0:57:05 | |
and political will | 0:57:05 | 0:57:06 | |
to put these scientific breakthroughs to best use. | 0:57:06 | 0:57:10 | |
Because if we can do that, I believe we can bring the epidemic to an end. | 0:57:10 | 0:57:15 |