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There is now a danger that has become a threat to us all.

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It is a deadly disease, and there is no known cure.

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It was just 30 years ago that the biggest public health campaign in

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British history shocked us all into accepting a new epidemic.

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Everyone was petrified.

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And a lot of people that I knew died very, very quickly.

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And a lot of people I knew died in the '80s.

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I mean, it was one after the other.

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But whilst it's easy to think that AIDS is a thing of the past,

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here in the UK, the number of people

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with the virus which actually causes it

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still remains worrying.

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My name is Chris van Tulleken.

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These days, I spend most of my time in this lab at University College in London.

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And I study HIV - a virus that's infected 76 million people

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and killed 35 million of them.

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The good news? The NHS in England and Wales have just announced trials

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for a new drug that can prevent HIV, and in Scotland it's available now.

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The bad news? There's still no cure.

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So I'm getting out of the lab to meet people living with HIV.

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He'd sort of spent the weekend in bed with what I thought was man flu

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and then it was three days later that he died.

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And I'll be questioning the scientists fighting the virus.

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Will we cure it?

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We're going to try, you know, and there's a real possibility.

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There are billions of pounds of research money being invested

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in labs like this all around the world.

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We now have powerful anti-retroviral drugs that mean HIV

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doesn't have to be a death sentence.

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And PrEP, the new drug combination

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that has been on all over the headlines recently,

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can prevent you catching it in the first place.

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But the battle is not over yet.

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I'll travel to the front line of the AIDS epidemic...

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She has lost six children.

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Yes.

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..to discover how science is racing to stop

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over a million deaths a year.

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We were able to, in our trial,

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-diagnose 92%...

-Really?

-..of those individuals who are infected.

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And I'll meet those dedicated to beating this disease.

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We have a responsibility, all of us, to de-stigmatise,

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to normalise the testing

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and encourage more and more people to get tested,

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so that every six months, every year, whatever it be,

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you go and get tested for HIV just like you do everything else.

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Despite what many of us might think,

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HIV is still a problem in this country.

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There are over 6,000 new infections every year.

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And the risks are now being taught to a whole new generation.

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When you think about HIV right now, what pops into your head?

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What do you think about?

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-Dirty things, don't you?

-Is it frightening?

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In a way, yes.

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I've heard some stuff that, like, the government made AIDS.

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Write it down. Government conspiracy.

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And then obviously it spread through needles.

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-Drugs.

-Drugs.

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People who are gay, they get blamed for the spread of it.

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That's Freddie Mercury because he died of HIV.

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I've come to William Farr School in Lincolnshire

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and a special class on a unique virus.

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So we're going to talk about how that virus actually gets passed on.

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So which bodily fluids are we talking about?

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-Like, blood.

-Yes, infected blood.

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Anything else?

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-Semen.

-Semen.

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Yes. Any other body fluids that you guys know of?

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It's OK. We've got vaginal fluids and rectal secretions.

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But you know what? We're talking about them here today.

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Do you think you could spot somebody with HIV?

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No? No?

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So would you have any idea that I have HIV?

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-STUDENTS:

-No.

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No? OK, so I'm HIV positive.

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I was diagnosed over ten years ago.

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You've all spent this time with me and couldn't tell.

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And actually, anyone else you meet, you may not be able to tell.

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-Come in.

-Thank you.

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Lizzie Jordan now works to educate young people about the virus.

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She found out she was HIV-positive after her partner, Benji,

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suddenly fell ill.

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He went to work on a Friday.

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Came home complaining of what he thought was a sinus infection.

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He'd sort of spent the weekend in bed with what I thought was man flu.

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And, you know, "Have some Lucozade and you'll be fine."

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And then... So, it was three days later that he died.

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Doctors broke the news that Benji

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had died from an AIDS-related illness...

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without ever even knowing that he was HIV positive.

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I mean, that was probably six weeks before.

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Seeing those pictures, even I find that amazing.

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Come on. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

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No-one knows when or how Benji contracted the disease,

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but people can live for ten years or more without any symptoms at all.

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SHE LAUGHS SOFTLY

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Is it hard to watch that?

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It's bittersweet because

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that's the last piece of footage we have of him.

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Um...

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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You must have been in...total shock.

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It just didn't make sense.

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How you can be so fit and well...

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..and then die. You know, literally die and drop dead.

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HIV, it never popped into your head?

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-You never thought...?

-Not once, and it wasn't even on my radar.

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It wasn't even something I considered.

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When Lizzie discovered she was also HIV-positive, her next thought was,

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had she unknowingly passed the virus to their baby?

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Joe was 18 months old and had been breast-fed for 18 months.

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Natural delivery.

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All the things that I knew a HIV-positive mother wouldn't do.

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Despite a one in four chance of infecting her child,

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they were lucky.

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The test came back negative.

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I mean, the only reason your story is listenable to is cos you're

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standing here kind of fit and well and looking amazing.

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That fires me up even more to make people get tested.

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You know.

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You cannot tell.

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Yeah.

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Lizzie is one of over 100,000 people in the UK living with HIV,

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and it's estimated around 13,000 of those are undiagnosed,

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because for many years there are often no outward signs

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that anything is wrong.

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It's what helps the virus silently spread.

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OK, so a quick lesson.

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This is a quick biology lesson.

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HIV is a virus and it specifically infects

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the cells of your immune system.

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So this is a white blood cell.

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And on the surface, these little things that almost look like pollen,

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those are HIV particles.

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Like all viruses, in order to survive,

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HIV needs to get inside the cell,

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but then it does a very special thing.

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It unstitches your DNA and it inserts its DNA into the gap.

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The virus literally becomes a part of you.

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That is why it's so hard to cure it.

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You can live for years, even decades without any symptoms at all.

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But all that time, the virus is replicating in your cells

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so that your immune system will reach a point

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where you can no longer defend yourself

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against really minor infections.

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And that's when you develop the syndrome of AIDS -

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Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome.

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The virus is HIV, the disease in the final stages is AIDS.

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These days, I worry we've become complacent,

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even ignorant of the risks.

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So I want to find out how many of us have even taken a test?

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Have you ever had an HIV test?

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-I haven't, no.

-Why?

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Just because I've never felt the need to do it, really.

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And actually, I'm pretty...

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You know, I'm not that... What's the word?

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I don't get involved with that many people,

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partners and that kind of thing.

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If you have a new partner...

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-Yeah.

-Do you always insist on an HIV test?

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I insist on a full test.

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-A full test. OK, so the whole lot.

-I'm a bit paranoid.

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-Have you been tested?

-I have been tested.

-OK.

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Hopefully my mum doesn't watch this!

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Your mum will be so happy to know

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that her daughter is being responsible and having HIV tests.

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Yeah, I mean, I think you can't be complacent.

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-Have you ever had an HIV test?

-No.

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-Why?

-I've always had protected sex.

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-Always?

-Always, yeah.

-OK, wow.

-As a general rule.

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-As a general rule.

-You may be the only man on the planet

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-who has always done it.

-Actually, that's a lie.

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You're going to keep getting tested regularly?

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Yeah, of course. Like, even if, like...

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Sometimes even if I haven't had sex with anyone,

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I'll go and get tested anyway.

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-Do you think you'll go and have one now?

-Um... You know what,

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I think that there is such a stigma around it that the thought

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of going into a doctor and asking for one would actually be, like,

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quite embarrassing.

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-Really?

-Personally, yeah.

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I would find it really uncomfortable doing that.

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It's a bit of a mixed bag, and if I'm honest,

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us blokes don't come out of it all that well.

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And that's why it's all the more extraordinary that last year

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a member of the British royal family did something almost unthinkable.

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What I was going to do there... Your hands are quite cold.

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July 14th, 2016,

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and Prince Harry is taking an HIV test live on the internet.

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Weirdly that didn't even hurt.

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There you go.

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I can tell you here, you have an HIV non-reactive result here.

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-All right.

-So everything is fine.

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Was that your first HIV test that you'd ever had?

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-It was my first HIV test.

-First ever, in your 30s?

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Yeah, in my 30s. This is something that, from a guy's point of view,

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is... It's nerve-racking.

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I think it's nerve-racking regardless of who you are

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or what you've been up to.

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And all the media are sitting on this...standing on the other side

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of this mirror. And I know exactly what they're thinking, like,

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as I'm sure you know as well. And they're thinking,

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"Oh, imagine if, imagine if. What if? What if?"

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And I'm sitting there going, "Jeez, what if?"

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Yes, I could have done it in private, what's the point in that?

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I mean, for everyone else, go and get it done in private.

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I don't suggest everyone else does it live, but, you know,

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it's the responsible thing to do,

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from my point of view, to get the message out there.

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And what are the things that stop us all getting tested regularly?

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It's the fear, isn't it?

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It's the stigma.

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The word AIDS.

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I mean, just when you say that, it just gives me...

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gives me goose bumps. And I think there's so much stigma

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simply around a name.

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When AIDS came along,

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everyone was petrified.

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And...

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a lot of people that I knew died very, very quickly.

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And a lot of people I knew died in the '80s.

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I mean, it was one after the other.

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And everyone was so frightened.

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You know, when you went for your annual blood test

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or you had a cold or you had anything, you thought,

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"Have I got HIV? Have I got AIDS?"

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I was delivering meals to people who were so ashamed, they wouldn't come

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out their front door.

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We'd put the meal on the doorstep and then you'd walk down the

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garden path and you'd hear the door open and slam very quickly.

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Because they were so ashamed to be seen.

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At the time, Caroline Bradbeer was a junior doctor

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at St Thomas's Hospital in London, trying to cope as best she could.

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We didn't really know what was happening.

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We did know that statistically, at that stage,

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once somebody had developed AIDS,

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the average survival was less than two years.

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I think it was about 18 months.

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There was nothing really we could do.

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And I felt so helpless, really.

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I made them a little bit better for a while,

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and that's what buoyed me up.

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Sometimes when they died, you were glad for them.

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The virus was a complete mystery to doctors.

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And scientists didn't have a clue where it had come from.

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But as we've learned more about HIV,

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researchers have been able to trace the epidemic all the way back to

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its very beginning.

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Very nice to see you.

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I've come to meet my friend and colleague Dr Stephane Hue,

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who uses genetic analysis to track the spread of the virus.

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Here you can see,

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let's say a family tree

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of the HIV strains that are circulating across the world.

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This family tree goes down to a single point here,

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to a single ancestor, right?

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Hold on. So, to a single...person.

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The first person who was infected with HIV.

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That's right.

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So we believe that this jump has occurred between 1910, 1930.

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Quite a lot before the virus was first identified.

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So the virus that has infected 60 million people

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-and killed half of them came from one person?

-Yes.

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So, naturally, we want to know not who that person was, right,

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but we want to know, where did that virus come from?

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We realised very early on that this virus belongs to a family of viruses

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that mainly infects primates, OK?

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-So there's been a long...

-Monkeys and apes.

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Exactly, monkeys and apes.

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And it turns out, we inherited HIV from chimpanzees.

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So in other words, in the world,

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the virus that is most closely related to HIV is SIVcpZ,

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which is a virus that infects chimpanzees.

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The question that I get asked is,

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did someone have sex with a chimpanzee?

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If you see and watch chimpanzees in their habitat, right?

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Their aggressivity, their teeth, right? Their strength.

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Realistically, you know, that's not what's happened.

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It's believed the virus made the jump to humans

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in Central Africa where chimps are sometimes butchered for their meat.

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-You know that I have lived in this part of the world.

-Mm-hm.

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And... So I brought some photographs.

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This is a man butchering...

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-OK.

-..a small monkey.

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But I think you get a very good idea that this is not an environment

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where it's possible to avoid contact with the monkey blood.

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-Exactly.

-And we think this is how the virus was introduced

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into the human population.

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For more than 50 years,

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the virus had such a small impact it wasn't noticed.

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But by the early 1980s, the world was facing a new and deadly disease.

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Without any effective drugs to treat it,

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doctors like Caroline Bradbeer were delivering what amounted

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to a death sentence to an increasing number of patients.

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One of those was Jerry Patterson, who's managed to survive against

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extraordinary odds.

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Oh, my God!

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-This is an absolute delight!

-Come round here.

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Sorry, I'm a bit welled up.

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-Oh, sweetie!

-They haven't seen each other for years, but the memories

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are still vivid.

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It really is. You look wonderful.

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So do you.

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Well, I was ushered straight into a cubicle.

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And the curtain went back and in you walked.

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And you'd got the result back, and it was an HIV-positive result,

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and you said that I was being admitted.

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I knew I could talk to you.

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A spade is a spade. I said, "Give it how it is."

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You said, two years.

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And here we are 28 years later, and we're having afternoon tea!

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It's wonderful, isn't it? I mean, it's just such an incredible thing.

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I'm so glad you came through it.

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Gosh! Golly.

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So young. How old were you?

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28.

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For young men like Jerry, the symptoms were devastating.

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The immune system was just crashing.

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The Kaposi's sarcoma, which was a form of cancer on the skin,

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would be these lesions appearing.

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-The banes of my existence were warts on my fingers, molluscum...

-Yes.

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Which of course looks horrible because it looks like awful acne.

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Yes. And of course the gauntness was the other thing,

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the atrophy in the face.

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Yes, yes. They shrunk down to a level where you think,

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"Why are they still alive?"

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Which was taken...

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But by the late 1990s, everything was about to change.

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Scientists had discovered the first effective treatments against HIV.

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And Jerry had held on long enough to become one of the first to try them.

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It was amazing when we suddenly had treatments that worked.

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It took a while...

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to believe it. It took a while to persuade both the clinicians

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and the patients to take the medication

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because we'd had so many false starts,

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and there was always the worry that the side-effects would be worse than

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the benefits.

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But once it became clear that people could get better,

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you saw the most amazing things.

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I had the warts, I had the molluscum,

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and within weeks, I looked at my hand,

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the warts had gone.

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He's very lucky, but it would have been even better if he hadn't been

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infected in the first place.

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Nowadays, if people are taking their medication properly,

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actually the consultation goes along the lines of,

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"Where are you going on your holidays?"

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It's a bit like going to the hairdresser. It really is...

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..just carrying on giving the same prescription.

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Which is incredible.

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So, 30 years later,

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we now have drugs that can keep HIV under control.

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But there's still a long way to go.

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Whilst the diagnosis of HIV is not a death sentence in Britain any more,

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thousands of us don't know we carry the virus.

0:18:450:18:49

I spoke to people in my lab about whether or not

0:18:490:18:51

they would have regular tests since we all handle live virus,

0:18:510:18:54

and they all said no!

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None of them have regular HIV tests.

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So why is that?

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Is it because they're too afraid to have a test?

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They don't want the information?

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Or is it because they're not afraid enough?

0:19:050:19:07

It's been several years since my last test and, to be honest,

0:19:100:19:13

I've left it longer than I should have.

0:19:130:19:15

But these days, testing can be as simple as ordering

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a do-it-yourself kit over the internet.

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I think everyone should HIV test

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because there is almost no-one for whom the risk is zero.

0:19:260:19:30

For me, it's much more than zero.

0:19:310:19:32

You know, I've had more than one sexual partner,

0:19:320:19:34

I've had unprotected sex previously,

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and I work in an HIV lab, mainly.

0:19:360:19:39

I handle enormous quantities of live virus -

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so fluid that is hundreds or thousands of times

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more concentrated virus

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than you'd ever find in the sickest patient's body.

0:19:500:19:53

Yeah, I'd be lying if I said

0:19:550:19:56

I didn't have some butterflies about this.

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Your how-to test guide. HE CLEARS THROAT

0:19:590:20:02

So there's a "If your result is positive..." The basics.

0:20:020:20:06

If I test positive, I think I'm not comfortable,

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but I think I'm OK with saying I have HIV.

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Or at least...

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..I think I would be...

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..such a hypocrite if I didn't

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that I wouldn't be able to live with myself.

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So you need to remove the buffer part.

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Push the test device hard into the buffer box.

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So it's like a pregnancy test.

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If you get two lines, you're positive.

0:20:420:20:45

OK. Let's make a cup of tea.

0:20:450:20:47

As I wait, I'm running through all the ways I might have caught HIV.

0:20:530:20:57

I've been careless in the lab.

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My wife's recently become positive and hasn't told me.

0:21:010:21:04

This is a weird situation,

0:21:050:21:07

and I think that the legacy of the public health campaign

0:21:070:21:09

is it turns me about HIV, and I think many people...

0:21:090:21:12

ALARM SOUNDS Oh, there we go. It turns...

0:21:120:21:15

..people of my generation into HIV hypochondriacs.

0:21:160:21:21

OK, so that is a negative result.

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HE EXHALES LOUDLY

0:21:370:21:38

Gosh, I feel real... Honestly, my heart is really...

0:21:380:21:41

..pounding. That is a load off, though.

0:21:430:21:46

The unequivocal truth is it is better to know.

0:21:480:21:50

It is better to know if you're negative, and it's better to know

0:21:500:21:53

if you're positive. And it's better to understand if you are negative

0:21:530:21:55

that you may not always be negative.

0:21:550:21:57

That the next time you have unprotected sex

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warrants another HIV test.

0:22:010:22:02

So what's it like nowadays for the 6,000 people who test positive

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in the UK each year?

0:22:110:22:12

-Michael.

-Hi, how you doing, Chris?

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I've come to Glasgow,

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where 31-year-old Michael is coming to terms with his recent news.

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Fourth of July, it was. I'd been on a...

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So, fourth of July, so two months ago?

0:22:290:22:32

Two months ago, yep. Really recent.

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I was on a dating app.

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Now, while you're on it, you always get messages popping up

0:22:360:22:40

saying to you, HIV tests, STI tests and things like that.

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And I thought, "HIV test, I'll get it done, tick it off my list.

0:22:440:22:48

"Nothing to worry about."

0:22:480:22:49

I was actually quite blase with it,

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assuming it was going to be negative.

0:22:510:22:53

I went in and the gentleman that was passing me my results says to me,

0:22:530:22:58

"We've got your results back, and they are HIV positive."

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Erm...

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Yeah, it's probably the worst words that you can hear

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getting told to you.

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I just went numb. Completely numb.

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I had no thought, I had no feeling.

0:23:170:23:19

There was nothing.

0:23:220:23:23

Pure blankness.

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As far as I was concerned, that was my death certificate written for me.

0:23:250:23:30

-Really?

-That was as much as I knew.

0:23:300:23:32

You get HIV, it develops into AIDS, and unfortunately there's no cure.

0:23:320:23:37

Obviously, cos I was crying, trying to take it in,

0:23:370:23:40

he told me this does not mean that I'm going to die.

0:23:400:23:45

It won't develop into AIDS because it doesn't happen any more.

0:23:450:23:50

Worst-case scenario what will happen is I'll be on two meds a day.

0:23:500:23:53

Two tablets that I'll need to take for the rest of my life.

0:23:530:23:56

There are very few miracle drugs in modern medicine, but this really is,

0:23:580:24:02

I would describe it as, a miracle drug.

0:24:020:24:04

We always say, "This isn't a cure.

0:24:040:24:06

"You're not cured. You still have HIV."

0:24:060:24:08

So if you ever stop taking these,

0:24:080:24:10

-you understand that the virus will come back.

-Bounce back.

0:24:100:24:14

But kind of the astounding thing to me is still that,

0:24:140:24:16

if you do keep taking these every day at the same time,

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that your life expectancy is essentially unaffected.

0:24:190:24:22

-Perfect.

-Have you missed a day?

0:24:220:24:23

-Nope.

-Not a single one?

-Not a single one.

0:24:230:24:26

Anti-retroviral drugs, or ARVs,

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block the enzymes that HIV uses to infect immune cells.

0:24:310:24:35

This stops the virus multiplying any further and brings HIV levels in the

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blood down to almost zero.

0:24:400:24:42

As long as you keep taking the pills.

0:24:430:24:45

Today, two months after starting treatment,

0:24:470:24:50

Michael is going to find out

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how much virus is still present in his body,

0:24:520:24:54

what doctors call his viral load.

0:24:540:24:58

-Thank you.

-We'll look at some of your results.

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It's been a few weeks now, I think, since you started treatment for HIV.

0:25:000:25:04

Tell me how that has gone for you.

0:25:040:25:06

-Really well, actually.

-That's really good to hear.

0:25:060:25:08

As you are aware, I was really concerned about side effects.

0:25:080:25:11

-Mm-hm.

-I've had none, absolutely none.

0:25:110:25:13

-What else would you want to know about this?

-My viral load.

0:25:130:25:16

-Your viral load, I thought you'd be coming on to that.

-That is the key one that I want to know.

0:25:160:25:19

So I've seen people whose viral loads

0:25:190:25:21

are more than a million copies,

0:25:210:25:23

and that number is the amount of virus that you have

0:25:230:25:26

in every millilitre of your blood.

0:25:260:25:28

So this value was just reported a few weeks ago,

0:25:280:25:30

and this value is not detected.

0:25:300:25:33

Physically, we've switched off

0:25:330:25:35

the virus making new copies of itself and

0:25:350:25:37

now there's no copies in your blood at all.

0:25:370:25:39

-I want a copy of that.

-A copy of that?

0:25:430:25:44

-I want that in black-and-white.

-We'll print that out for you.

0:25:440:25:47

I can get that framed. I'm amazed it can happen so quick.

0:25:470:25:49

How do I ensure that always stays non-detectable?

0:25:490:25:52

So, the virus is not cured.

0:25:520:25:55

-Yes. Yes.

-There are copies of the virus in your body, but they're all

0:25:550:25:59

completely suppressed,

0:25:590:26:00

and the reason of that is that you're taking your tablets.

0:26:000:26:03

And just to clarify as well, that's...

0:26:030:26:05

I am not infectious.

0:26:050:26:08

There's no way even with unprotected sex, if that happens,

0:26:080:26:11

that I can infect somebody?

0:26:110:26:13

So if you're able to take your tablets, a pill every day,

0:26:130:26:16

you'd have almost no risk of passing on HIV to anyone else.

0:26:160:26:21

I can just get on with my normal life

0:26:220:26:24

without actually having to think about HIV.

0:26:240:26:26

I've got my life back.

0:26:260:26:28

And it's great.

0:26:280:26:30

Michael is one of the lucky ones.

0:26:300:26:32

But the trouble is, you have to be diagnosed before you can benefit

0:26:340:26:38

from the amazing treatments we now have.

0:26:380:26:40

Nearly one in eight people who have the virus

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don't know they are infected.

0:26:440:26:45

And one of them was 43-year-old Addie.

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SHE READS WITH SPEECH IMPAIRMENT

0:26:500:26:54

Perfect. OK.

0:26:590:27:00

This one is new to you, isn't it?

0:27:000:27:02

-It's new to me as well.

-She had no idea she had HIV until a brain

0:27:020:27:06

infection caused by her depleted immune system left her struggling

0:27:060:27:10

to walk and talk.

0:27:100:27:12

Brain infections are common in patients

0:27:150:27:18

where HIV has gone undiagnosed for many years.

0:27:180:27:21

Hi. I'm here to see Addie.

0:27:230:27:25

I've come to the Mildmay Hospital in East London,

0:27:250:27:28

where they specialise in rehabilitating patients like Addie.

0:27:280:27:31

-Hi, Addie, I'm Chris.

-Welcome, Chris.

0:27:310:27:34

-How are you?

-Nice to meet you.

0:27:340:27:37

-Very, very nice to meet you, Addie.

-Nice to meet you.

0:27:370:27:40

-Can I join in, Addie?

-Yeah, yeah, yeah.

0:27:400:27:42

-Is that all right?

-Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

0:27:420:27:44

We've done our warm-up now, Addie,

0:27:440:27:45

so we might come across to the parallel bars.

0:27:450:27:48

Oh, we're going to walk over there, are we?

0:27:480:27:50

Addie is now on ARVs and her HIV is under control,

0:27:500:27:54

but the damage to her brain may never be fully reversed.

0:27:540:27:57

You can't just feel them?

0:28:040:28:05

No, no.

0:28:050:28:07

And it's worth saying, it's very obvious,

0:28:070:28:09

simply standing here, I can feel your muscles flexing

0:28:090:28:13

and you're sweating to do this, aren't you?

0:28:130:28:15

Just standing here is quite hard work.

0:28:150:28:17

Is that true?

0:28:170:28:18

I shouldn't say sweating.

0:28:200:28:21

You're glowing.

0:28:210:28:22

You're perspiring gently.

0:28:220:28:24

So Addie's been coming... Start in January 2015.

0:28:240:28:28

And when you came in January, how good were you at the parallel bars?

0:28:280:28:32

-Very bad, very bad.

-Very bad?

0:28:320:28:33

Nice and slowly. One hand at a time.

0:28:330:28:36

It's very interesting for me as a doctor to try and work out

0:28:360:28:38

where the problem is.

0:28:380:28:39

What's happened here?

0:28:410:28:42

This is quite similar to if someone's had a stroke,

0:28:420:28:46

where there's been some damage to the brain and it's affecting...

0:28:460:28:49

..I guess her ability to contract her muscles,

0:28:510:28:54

with her strength and her co-ordination,

0:28:540:28:57

which leads to problems with her balance,

0:28:570:29:01

difficulty standing and also with your coordination in terms of your

0:29:010:29:05

-speech as well.

-It seems to me that you're working very hard to make the

0:29:050:29:10

-words with your mouth and tongue.

-Yeah, yeah.

0:29:100:29:12

Is that a thing you've had to relearn to do?

0:29:120:29:15

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

0:29:150:29:16

Addie, are you always this cheerful?

0:29:210:29:23

Has that always just been your nature?

0:29:270:29:30

We're going to come and have a sit down.

0:29:300:29:31

-Do you want to gave a seat?

-Yeah, yeah, yeah.

0:29:310:29:33

I'm conscious you are really working away here.

0:29:330:29:36

Yeah, I bet you're getting tired.

0:29:360:29:37

What was Addie's prognosis when she came here?

0:29:370:29:42

It was very bad. She had just been given about three months to live.

0:29:420:29:46

So she had virtually no functioning immune system?

0:29:460:29:49

No, she didn't.

0:29:490:29:51

So you were in a bad way.

0:29:510:29:52

And you were given three months to live.

0:29:530:29:55

It's remarkable, I think, to work with someone like you, Addie,

0:29:550:29:59

where you've had this very severe brain damage, really.

0:29:590:30:03

Let's call it what it is.

0:30:030:30:04

But at your age, the brain is sufficiently plastic

0:30:040:30:08

that you can retrain it and gain a lot of function.

0:30:080:30:10

Exactly, and there has been quite remarkable improvement.

0:30:100:30:14

THEY SING "Amazing Grace"

0:30:140:30:16

Singing therapy is now helping Addie to rebuild her power of speech.

0:30:160:30:20

And the Mildmay has been at the forefront

0:30:240:30:27

of treating HIV and AIDS for the past 30 years.

0:30:270:30:30

-REPORTER:

-The Princess of Wales has been visiting AIDS sufferers

0:30:340:30:37

in an East London hospital.

0:30:370:30:38

This morning, she spent time with patients at the hospice wing

0:30:380:30:42

of the Mildmay hospital.

0:30:420:30:43

In 1989, in the full glare of the media,

0:30:450:30:48

Princess Diana openly shook hands with patients who had AIDS.

0:30:480:30:52

It was a landmark moment in challenging the stigma

0:30:520:30:55

surrounding the disease.

0:30:550:30:58

And her legacy continues to this day.

0:30:580:31:00

Addie, I think you've got a visitor.

0:31:050:31:07

Who? Prince Harry!

0:31:070:31:09

-Prince Harry!

-Hello.

0:31:110:31:14

Stay, stay, stay. How are you?

0:31:140:31:16

-I'm fine.

-Nice to see you again.

0:31:160:31:18

-Nice to see you too.

-I heard you singing outside.

0:31:180:31:20

Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

0:31:200:31:21

-Amazing. Literally, Amazing Grace, wasn't it?

-Yeah.

-It was.

0:31:210:31:25

Prince Harry has met Addie before, and she has made real progress.

0:31:250:31:30

Understandably, there is huge frustrations for you

0:31:310:31:35

because of your speech.

0:31:350:31:36

People... People...

0:31:360:31:39

Yeah.

0:31:400:31:41

-Can I have a...?

-Thank you, Prince.

-We'll see you.

-Yeah, yeah.

0:31:440:31:47

Addie's story proves that when it comes to HIV,

0:31:470:31:50

an early diagnosis is crucial.

0:31:500:31:52

And the only way to be sure of that is regular testing.

0:31:520:31:57

The key point of this is how easy it was,

0:31:570:31:59

and how easy it was for you as well.

0:31:590:32:01

You had a home-testing kit.

0:32:010:32:02

I went in and the only reason I did it live was because I wanted to show

0:32:020:32:05

to everybody how easy it is and how normal it is.

0:32:050:32:09

Imagine if we could create a movement where everybody...

0:32:090:32:13

everyone goes and gets tested. You know, if you're not going to get

0:32:130:32:16

tested for yourself and you're not going to go

0:32:160:32:18

and get tested for your loved ones that you could possibly infect,

0:32:180:32:21

then - I don't know whether it's a selfish thing to say or not -

0:32:210:32:24

but if you respect what my mother stood for,

0:32:240:32:26

go and get tested for her.

0:32:260:32:27

You know, you've got 20 years next year since she died,

0:32:270:32:31

and 30 years ago,

0:32:310:32:32

she was in the hospital and she did something that no-one else had ever

0:32:320:32:35

done before, and she started this whole thing.

0:32:350:32:38

Is that partly what is inspiring you to do this?

0:32:380:32:42

Yes. You know, if she were still here today...

0:32:420:32:45

she would... Well, she'd probably get tested every month

0:32:450:32:48

just to prove the point.

0:32:480:32:49

There's so much stigma simply around a name or an acronym that we need...

0:32:490:32:55

we need...

0:32:550:32:57

You know, it's 2016, for God's sake.

0:32:570:32:59

I mean, we need to start rethinking

0:32:590:33:01

the whole Acquired... What is it? Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome.

0:33:010:33:06

When you actually lay it out and you spell it out, you suddenly go,

0:33:070:33:11

"It's not actually that terrifying at all."

0:33:110:33:14

Obviously, if you speak to someone who's suffering from it,

0:33:140:33:16

of course it's terrifying because it can kill you.

0:33:160:33:19

But the point I'm trying to make is,

0:33:190:33:21

if you can't even say the word without cringing or worrying

0:33:210:33:24

or freaking out about it,

0:33:240:33:26

how the hell are we going to help everybody and solve this

0:33:260:33:29

problem before it gets too big?

0:33:290:33:30

I think most people would admit that they've had sex without a condom,

0:33:300:33:35

and that is always a moment - the next day, probably -

0:33:350:33:39

when you think to yourself,

0:33:390:33:40

"You know what, Christ, I probably need to,

0:33:400:33:42

"you know, go and get a checkup."

0:33:420:33:44

Why did you want to take this on as a cause?

0:33:440:33:47

The issue itself needs...

0:33:470:33:50

..a straight guy, mid-30s, early 30s...

0:33:510:33:54

..to come in and try and normalise it.

0:33:550:33:59

And once again, I'm fortunate enough to be in this position to be able to

0:33:590:34:03

make a difference. Let's start in the UK.

0:34:030:34:05

Let's lead by example, and then help everybody else.

0:34:050:34:08

In Britain, we've come a long,

0:34:140:34:15

long way since Princess Diana extended the hand of compassion

0:34:150:34:19

to people with AIDS.

0:34:190:34:21

But huge challenges still remain.

0:34:230:34:26

I'm off to a part of the world where the worst-case scenario

0:34:270:34:31

the doctors feared for the UK

0:34:310:34:33

has now become a catastrophe of unimaginable proportions.

0:34:330:34:37

I've come to South Africa, the worst affected country in the world,

0:34:420:34:47

where nearly 200,000 people still die every year.

0:34:470:34:50

So South Africa is an example of what happens when you don't have

0:34:540:34:59

a really effective public health campaign

0:34:590:35:02

in the early stages of an HIV epidemic.

0:35:020:35:05

So, in the UK, we did.

0:35:050:35:07

In South Africa, they didn't.

0:35:070:35:09

So today, there are 7 million people living here with HIV.

0:35:090:35:13

It has one of the highest infection rates in the world.

0:35:130:35:15

This is the front line of the war against the virus.

0:35:180:35:21

In a bid to end the epidemic,

0:35:220:35:24

the UN has now set an ambitious global target.

0:35:240:35:27

They're calling it 90-90-90.

0:35:270:35:30

Diagnosis of 90% of people with HIV,

0:35:310:35:35

getting 90% of those onto medication,

0:35:350:35:38

and suppressing the virus in 90% of those.

0:35:380:35:42

The latest scientific models show

0:35:450:35:47

that if the 90-90-90 goal is achieved,

0:35:470:35:50

it could end the epidemic in less than 15 years.

0:35:500:35:53

So I'm heading to a clinic in KwaZulu-Natal,

0:35:560:35:59

the hardest-hit province in South Africa,

0:35:590:36:01

to see how they're trying to reach that target.

0:36:010:36:04

As I arrive, I take the opportunity to speak with some locals who are

0:36:080:36:12

selling fruit outside the clinic.

0:36:120:36:14

How are you guys? Do you mind talking to me?

0:36:140:36:16

THEY SPEAK ZULU

0:36:160:36:19

We're making a programme about HIV,

0:36:190:36:23

and I wanted to know what you all thought about it.

0:36:230:36:26

Oh!

0:36:260:36:29

THEY SPEAK ZULU

0:36:290:36:32

My Zulu is a bit rusty, I'm afraid.

0:36:360:36:38

The lady, she's saying, basically,

0:36:410:36:43

all the kids have passed away

0:36:430:36:46

because of HIV.

0:36:460:36:49

I hadn't understood how serious it was.

0:36:490:36:51

She has lost six children?

0:37:000:37:01

-Yeah.

-Yes.

-OK.

0:37:010:37:03

I'm very sorry. I'm very sorry.

0:37:030:37:05

Thank you.

0:37:050:37:06

Is it a thing that young people understand?

0:37:060:37:10

You get these from the clinic?

0:37:240:37:26

Nothing can prepare you for hearing stories like these,

0:37:440:37:48

but at the Macabuzela Clinic,

0:37:480:37:50

this is what they're dealing with every single day.

0:37:500:37:53

SINGING IN ZULU

0:37:530:37:56

Which is why it's all the more amazing that they begin each morning

0:37:560:38:00

with such an uplifting song.

0:38:000:38:01

The clinic covers an area of 13,000 people,

0:38:150:38:18

roughly the same as a busy GP practice in the UK.

0:38:180:38:21

And many of the common conditions they treat are the same.

0:38:250:38:27

High blood pressure, diabetes,

0:38:290:38:31

mental health, epilepsy, diarrhoea, asthma.

0:38:310:38:34

But strikingly, at the top of the list is the term

0:38:340:38:37

"People living with HIV and AIDS".

0:38:370:38:41

I really want to understand why HIV is so widespread in this part of the

0:38:410:38:46

world.

0:38:460:38:47

The first patient is a teenager.

0:38:480:38:51

Diagnosed HIV-positive just two months ago,

0:38:510:38:54

she prefers to stay anonymous.

0:38:540:38:55

What was it like to find out you were positive?

0:38:580:39:00

You told your mum?

0:39:030:39:04

You told your brother, OK.

0:39:060:39:08

So not your mum and your... So only one person knows?

0:39:080:39:11

Do you know the person that you think you caught it off?

0:39:110:39:14

Did you tell him?

0:39:160:39:18

-No.

-Why?

0:39:180:39:19

He's 25 years older than you?

0:39:250:39:28

He's in his mid-40s.

0:39:280:39:29

OK. When you had sex, were you worried about HIV?

0:39:290:39:34

Did you say, "We should use a condom"?

0:39:340:39:36

And because she was in love with him,

0:39:410:39:44

-just allowed him to do unprotected sex.

-OK.

-Yeah.

0:39:440:39:48

They just dated for a week.

0:39:480:39:50

He just slept with her, then dumped her.

0:39:500:39:53

OK. Gosh.

0:39:540:39:56

The girl collects her prescription,

0:40:100:40:12

the same anti-retroviral drugs as in the UK,

0:40:120:40:16

and heads to school.

0:40:160:40:17

It's a desperate story, but not unusual.

0:40:190:40:22

Teenage girls in this part of South Africa have an 80% chance

0:40:220:40:27

of becoming HIV positive during their lifetime.

0:40:270:40:29

How does this make you feel? Because you're a young woman.

0:40:300:40:33

Does this make you mistrust men?

0:40:330:40:35

So often by then it's too late.

0:40:420:40:44

It's too late most of the time.

0:40:440:40:46

It's not a shortage of drugs that is killing people here.

0:40:480:40:51

South Africa now has the biggest anti-retroviral treatment programme

0:40:540:40:58

anywhere in the world.

0:40:580:40:59

For a doctor like me,

0:41:040:41:05

it's baffling there are still nearly 200,000 AIDS-related deaths here

0:41:050:41:10

every year.

0:41:100:41:12

I think they have come to regard this as completely normal.

0:41:120:41:15

There's the market. In that room,

0:41:160:41:18

in that Portakabin, are all the drugs to completely...

0:41:180:41:22

..end transmission and mean that no-one, almost no-one has to die.

0:41:230:41:29

That's the thing I don't feel I've in any way

0:41:300:41:32

really got under the skin of.

0:41:320:41:34

What are all the complicated factors that mean that people

0:41:340:41:37

don't go and seek treatment?

0:41:370:41:39

On the way back to my hotel, I decide to drop in at a local bar.

0:41:430:41:47

As a bloke, I want to hear what some of the men have to say.

0:41:500:41:53

Can I get a beer? A bottle of beer?

0:41:580:42:00

How are you, sir?

0:42:030:42:05

-What's your name?

-Zotani.

-Zotani?

-Yes, sir.

0:42:050:42:07

We've discovered, out in the clinics,

0:42:070:42:10

that the young men don't want to get testing

0:42:100:42:13

and they don't want to get treated,

0:42:130:42:14

and I'm trying to understand why.

0:42:140:42:17

HE LAUGHS

0:42:170:42:18

Why haven't you had an HIV test in three years?

0:42:230:42:27

Do you have a girlfriend now?

0:42:300:42:32

-Yeah, I have three.

-You've got three girlfriends?

0:42:320:42:34

In KwaZulu-Natal,

0:42:340:42:36

30% of people have HIV.

0:42:360:42:39

So there is a good chance that one

0:42:390:42:41

of your three girlfriends will have HIV.

0:42:410:42:43

You should go and get a test.

0:42:430:42:45

-Go and do it tomorrow. Go and get tested.

-My own time.

0:42:480:42:51

But going to the clinic can be fraught with embarrassment

0:42:510:42:54

and fear for these men.

0:42:540:42:55

When you go and you test positive, at a clinic, people will know.

0:43:120:43:16

It's so important for you to have some confidentiality.

0:43:220:43:25

If I knew when I went and had an HIV test, and then went every month

0:43:270:43:31

when I had to go and get my pills to be treated,

0:43:310:43:34

everyone would know, you know what,

0:43:340:43:35

honestly, I might not get tested.

0:43:350:43:38

I hope I would, but I can't say hand on my heart that that wouldn't push

0:43:380:43:43

me away from the clinic.

0:43:430:43:44

So, if the men won't come to the clinic,

0:43:500:43:53

a pioneering scientific trial is taking the clinic to the men,

0:43:530:43:57

in a bid to diagnose 90% of people who have HIV.

0:43:570:44:01

For the past four years,

0:44:030:44:04

testing teams have been visiting every home

0:44:040:44:07

in an area of 22,000 people.

0:44:070:44:10

No-one is singled out,

0:44:110:44:12

and people can avoid the stigma of their neighbours knowing.

0:44:120:44:16

How are you, my friend?

0:44:240:44:26

Themba, a 60-year-old widower,

0:44:260:44:28

was one of those who tested positive

0:44:280:44:30

when fieldworkers visited his home in 2014.

0:44:300:44:34

-Can we see?

-Yes, you can come in.

0:44:340:44:37

Can I sit on the bed?

0:44:390:44:40

Do you like taking the pills?

0:44:480:44:49

-One pill at seven o'clock?

-Yeah.

-Every day.

0:44:580:45:00

Do you know your viral level?

0:45:000:45:03

Can we see the paper?

0:45:030:45:04

First viral load was 18,000,

0:45:060:45:08

and then, as soon as he started taking the drugs,

0:45:080:45:11

so, what, August to November, LDL,

0:45:110:45:13

which is lower than detectable limit.

0:45:130:45:16

Undetectable, undetectable, undetectable, undetectable.

0:45:160:45:20

So the pills are working very well.

0:45:210:45:23

Do you think you will ever have a girlfriend or a wife in the future?

0:45:230:45:27

He's thinking about it.

0:45:310:45:32

This treatment, it helps you live

0:45:320:45:35

a long time, but it also stops you

0:45:350:45:39

passing the virus on.

0:45:390:45:40

So that's the key thing.

0:45:400:45:42

There are two benefits.

0:45:420:45:44

It makes you live and it stops you giving the virus to anyone else.

0:45:440:45:49

So as long as your viral level

0:45:490:45:51

is undetectable, which yours is,

0:45:510:45:54

you won't give the virus to anyone.

0:45:540:45:56

Themba is just one small part of a much bigger plan

0:46:020:46:06

to try and end the epidemic within ten years.

0:46:060:46:09

But has the trial come anywhere close to reaching

0:46:110:46:14

the UN's 90-90-90 target?

0:46:140:46:17

To diagnose 90% of people with HIV,

0:46:170:46:20

to get 90% of them onto medication,

0:46:200:46:24

and suppress the virus in 90% of them.

0:46:240:46:27

At the Africa Health Research Institute,

0:46:280:46:31

I'm catching up with Professor Deenan Pillay,

0:46:310:46:33

who wants to show me how well they've done.

0:46:330:46:37

First up, diagnosis.

0:46:370:46:39

We were able to, in our trial,

0:46:390:46:41

-diagnose 92%...

-Really?

-..of those individuals

0:46:410:46:45

who are infected in this area.

0:46:450:46:47

We achieved that target.

0:46:470:46:49

So the next question is what proportion of these individuals

0:46:490:46:53

come to clinics? And unfortunately,

0:46:530:46:56

what we find is only 47% get into care.

0:46:560:47:00

And that's too low to get anywhere near

0:47:000:47:04

to start to reduce the epidemic.

0:47:040:47:06

So you've managed to get less than half of people with HIV

0:47:060:47:10

into treatment. Why?

0:47:100:47:13

It's a tremendous success that we've been able

0:47:130:47:16

to go into people's homes and convince them to be tested for HIV,

0:47:160:47:21

-but the point of that is that they get onto treatment.

-Right.

0:47:210:47:25

I want to understand - that isn't because of a shortage of drugs

0:47:250:47:28

or a lack of money. The resources are there

0:47:280:47:31

if you can get people

0:47:310:47:33

to use them. Is that right?

0:47:330:47:36

We provided mobile clinics,

0:47:360:47:40

we provided the care for their HIV infection with no shortage of drugs

0:47:400:47:46

or diagnostics and always with sufficient staff.

0:47:460:47:49

I think defeating this awful HIV epidemic

0:47:490:47:53

requires an understanding of

0:47:530:47:55

society, as well as individuals,

0:47:550:47:57

as well as medicine.

0:47:570:47:59

And without an understanding of all of those, we will never defeat it.

0:47:590:48:02

I think, you know, 20 years ago, no-one...

0:48:050:48:10

I don't think anyone thought we'd get to this point where,

0:48:100:48:12

basically,

0:48:120:48:14

we've overcome all those kind of scientific, medical obstacles.

0:48:140:48:19

We have highly effective treatment

0:48:190:48:21

that works with very few side effects,

0:48:210:48:24

and it's cheap, and there's enough of it for everyone out there.

0:48:240:48:28

At this point, we're batting up against the hardest problem of all,

0:48:280:48:31

that feels so simple -

0:48:310:48:33

just persuading human beings to be rational and do the right thing -

0:48:330:48:37

and...

0:48:370:48:38

I'm sure we will get there, but that...

0:48:410:48:44

that, I guess... In any medical challenge, that is the hardest bit.

0:48:440:48:48

Back here in the UK,

0:48:590:49:01

it's easy to assume we are winning the battle against HIV.

0:49:010:49:04

Sitting here feels so different to KwaZulu-Natal

0:49:060:49:09

that it is hard to believe

0:49:090:49:11

that there could be any epidemic of infection at all.

0:49:110:49:17

But what can we do about the 6,000 new British infections every year?

0:49:170:49:22

Although condoms have made a huge difference to safer sex,

0:49:230:49:26

people still don't really like wearing them,

0:49:260:49:29

and given the choice, I'd rather not wear one either.

0:49:290:49:31

So what if there was a radical new way to prevent infection?

0:49:340:49:38

This is Harry Dodd.

0:49:400:49:42

As a sexually active young gay man,

0:49:420:49:44

he doesn't want to take any chances.

0:49:440:49:47

So he signed up to a clinical trial

0:49:470:49:49

of a revolutionary new pill called PrEP.

0:49:490:49:53

It contains two different anti-retroviral drugs

0:49:530:49:56

and can prevent HIV being contracted.

0:49:560:49:59

OK. Well done.

0:49:590:50:01

And Harry has regular checkups to make sure it's working.

0:50:010:50:05

What is PrEP?

0:50:050:50:07

PrEP stands for pre-exposure prophylactic,

0:50:070:50:10

so it's prevention that you take ahead of being exposed to a risk.

0:50:100:50:14

-Do you mind if I have a look?

-Go ahead.

0:50:140:50:16

Are the drugs the same as the ones we use to treat HIV?

0:50:160:50:20

They are. Cos they work brilliantly to control the virus,

0:50:200:50:23

and that's what you're doing,

0:50:230:50:24

whether you're preventing it or you're treating it,

0:50:240:50:27

so the advantage of pre-exposure,

0:50:270:50:30

if you think there's going to be an exposure in the future,

0:50:300:50:33

is that the drug is there ready and waiting.

0:50:330:50:35

If you take the pill properly, every day as instructed,

0:50:350:50:38

the chances of contracting HIV are negligible.

0:50:380:50:40

For Harry, it's removed a lifelong fear of contracting HIV.

0:50:410:50:46

Growing up knowing you're gay,

0:50:470:50:49

that fear haunts you from the first time you become sexually active.

0:50:490:50:53

You have this guilt and fear and worry and concern

0:50:530:50:57

with almost any sexual partner you have. Even with the condom,

0:50:570:51:01

there's still the worry of the big one, which is HIV.

0:51:010:51:04

And PrEP takes that fear and that anxiety away from that experience.

0:51:040:51:09

OK, Harry.

0:51:090:51:11

We look for that one spot for negative,

0:51:110:51:13

two spots for positive.

0:51:130:51:15

One spot, negative.

0:51:170:51:19

Brilliant.

0:51:190:51:20

How do you feel? Are you relieved that the test is negative?

0:51:200:51:23

Of course I'm relieved that the result is negative,

0:51:230:51:25

but I didn't have any anxiety beforehand either...

0:51:250:51:27

-Really?

-..because I appreciated that I've been taking PrEP

0:51:270:51:31

for three years and that the chances of me contracting HIV

0:51:310:51:35

are pretty much non-existent.

0:51:350:51:38

The thing that is amazing to me about this is, in this pot,

0:51:380:51:42

is the power to end the epidemic.

0:51:420:51:45

Yes. I mean, I completely agree with you.

0:51:450:51:47

This is the thing we need.

0:51:470:51:48

DRUMS AND MUSIC

0:51:480:51:51

At last summer's London Pride Festival,

0:51:560:51:58

Harry took to the streets with hundreds of others to campaign

0:51:580:52:01

for PrEP to be made available on the NHS.

0:52:010:52:04

-What do we want?

-CROWD:

-PrEP!

-When do we want it?

-Now!

0:52:050:52:09

-What do we want?

-PrEP!

-When do we want it?

-Now!

0:52:090:52:13

Then, in December 2016,

0:52:130:52:15

the National AIDS Trust won an Appeal Court ruling

0:52:150:52:18

that NHS England and local authorities

0:52:180:52:21

do have the power to fund the provision of anti-retroviral drugs

0:52:210:52:25

for the prevention of HIV.

0:52:250:52:27

And so, a £10 million trial over the next three years was announced in

0:52:270:52:31

England, and then a further one in Wales,

0:52:310:52:33

whilst NHS Scotland announced that PrEP will be available there

0:52:330:52:37

this summer to those who need it.

0:52:370:52:39

Cost is a big factor,

0:52:390:52:41

and NHS England has challenged drug companies to supply at lower prices.

0:52:410:52:45

Now 10,000 more people will take part in these clinical trials

0:52:460:52:50

to answer what NHS England says are outstanding questions,

0:52:500:52:54

paving the way for a full roll-out.

0:52:540:52:56

But not all views on the subject were based on clinical concerns.

0:52:580:53:02

So this is an article in the Daily Mail.

0:53:020:53:05

Headline is, "NHS told to give out £5,000 a year

0:53:050:53:09

"lifestyle drug to prevent HIV as vital cataract surgery is rationed.

0:53:090:53:15

"What a skewed sense of values."

0:53:150:53:18

Calling it a lifestyle drug, I think, totally misunderstands.

0:53:180:53:23

Almost all the conditions we treat in the NHS

0:53:230:53:26

could be largely prevented

0:53:260:53:29

if people lived different lifestyles.

0:53:290:53:30

We never have a discussion saying we should not give out

0:53:300:53:34

blood pressure and cholesterol medication

0:53:340:53:36

to people who are overweight and unfit.

0:53:360:53:38

And to single out this particular highly effective pill as being a

0:53:380:53:44

lifestyle drug...

0:53:440:53:46

is really poisonous.

0:53:460:53:48

But whatever our attitudes to sexual health, or even sexual morality,

0:53:480:53:52

the use of PrEP has been all over the headlines recently,

0:53:520:53:55

and it does raise interesting, difficult questions.

0:53:550:53:58

I wanted to ask my own boss, Professor Greg Towers,

0:53:580:54:01

a leading expert on HIV, what he thought.

0:54:010:54:04

What you think about the idea that, for a lot of people, PrEP is a

0:54:040:54:07

lifestyle drug? It allows them to have high-risk sex.

0:54:070:54:11

Well, it allows them to not get HIV, which is the point.

0:54:110:54:14

I mean, you know, it's not

0:54:140:54:15

our business to be focusing on what people do,

0:54:150:54:18

it's about making a decision based

0:54:180:54:20

on how to improve the health of people in the UK,

0:54:200:54:23

and how to do that in the most cost-effective way.

0:54:230:54:25

Those people taking that drug will cost the NHS less

0:54:250:54:29

if they don't get HIV.

0:54:290:54:30

There is more money to treat patients if you save money

0:54:300:54:33

through not having to treat people for their entire lives

0:54:330:54:36

with very expensive drugs rather

0:54:360:54:38

than for a period where they're at risk of getting HIV.

0:54:380:54:41

Why aren't we rolling it out in England and Wales

0:54:410:54:44

in the way they have in Scotland? We're doing another trial.

0:54:440:54:46

We need to work out what drugs we're going to give,

0:54:460:54:48

who we're going to give them to...

0:54:480:54:50

Will everybody take it? Will the right people take it?

0:54:500:54:52

Will the right people have access to it?

0:54:520:54:54

You have to have due process,

0:54:540:54:55

you have to make sure that this is going to be the appropriate thing to do,

0:54:550:54:58

and to work out the appropriate way to do it.

0:54:580:55:00

So it isn't like we're doing a little trial and testing it in a few

0:55:000:55:03

hundred people. It is actually, in practice, going to be offered

0:55:030:55:07

to quite a large proportion of the eligible population.

0:55:070:55:11

Yeah. I don't know how big the eligible population is, but, yeah,

0:55:110:55:13

10,000 people is a lot of people who won't be at risk.

0:55:130:55:17

So why do you think that condoms and personal responsibility

0:55:170:55:21

aren't enough to stop the spread of HIV?

0:55:210:55:23

People just don't use them. You know, some people object to using them,

0:55:230:55:26

they don't want to, so it just doesn't work.

0:55:260:55:28

We know that now, and I don't think that's a realistic proposition for stopping the spread of HIV.

0:55:280:55:32

Do you think a cure is on the horizon?

0:55:320:55:34

A cure for HIV is, unfortunately, I think, a big ask at the moment,

0:55:340:55:39

because we don't understand enough about the biology of the virus

0:55:390:55:41

and its relationship with the immune system.

0:55:410:55:44

A lot of people are working on it.

0:55:440:55:45

It's certainly a possibility.

0:55:450:55:47

Will we cure it?

0:55:470:55:49

We're going to try.

0:55:490:55:50

The truth about HIV is that its treatment has been

0:55:530:55:57

one of the biggest breakthroughs in medical history,

0:55:570:56:01

but it's a disease that's not going away.

0:56:010:56:04

And many people are still diagnosed too late.

0:56:060:56:09

We have a potential end in sight,

0:56:110:56:13

but we have to get rid of the stigma

0:56:130:56:15

and we have to get rid of the hate and the shame.

0:56:150:56:18

Science has already given us the tools we need to defeat HIV.

0:56:180:56:23

What a fantastic thing for humanity to be able to say,

0:56:230:56:26

you know, "We've cured HIV."

0:56:260:56:29

Let's start in the UK. Let's lead by example.

0:56:290:56:32

We've got some of the most powerful drugs in medicine

0:56:330:56:36

that mean people can live long, healthy lives with HIV,

0:56:360:56:39

and crucially, they'll be uninfectious.

0:56:390:56:42

We even have pills that you can take that prevent you catching the virus

0:56:420:56:46

in the first place. Pills that are now available on the NHS,

0:56:460:56:50

in Scotland at least.

0:56:500:56:52

The money you spend on PrEP will save you all that treatment.

0:56:520:56:54

I mean, it's like... It doesn't make any sense not to put it out there.

0:56:540:56:58

It's just an economic no-brainer.

0:56:580:57:00

So it seems to me that the remaining challenge is about harnessing social

0:57:020:57:05

and political will

0:57:050:57:06

to put these scientific breakthroughs to best use.

0:57:060:57:10

Because if we can do that, I believe we can bring the epidemic to an end.

0:57:100:57:15

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