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Bonjour, and welcome to Inside Versailles, | 0:00:06 | 0:00:08 | |
where I think we spotted our villain, Duke of Cassel. Evil. | 0:00:08 | 0:00:11 | |
-Handsome. -OK, weird, but fine. -Just me? | 0:00:11 | 0:00:14 | |
And, also we've seen tragedy for the Parthenay family. | 0:00:14 | 0:00:16 | |
Another scene I want to talk about though... | 0:00:16 | 0:00:18 | |
It's a flashback, it's a quick scene, and we see Louis, a young | 0:00:18 | 0:00:21 | |
Louis, being initiated into the ways of love by a naked older lady. | 0:00:21 | 0:00:24 | |
What's going on there? | 0:00:24 | 0:00:26 | |
Well, you might think this is just a fictional device, | 0:00:26 | 0:00:28 | |
but that really did happen. Louis' mother, Anne of Austria, | 0:00:28 | 0:00:31 | |
she wanted to control everything about him | 0:00:31 | 0:00:33 | |
including his first sexual experience, | 0:00:33 | 0:00:36 | |
so she chose a lady-in-waiting, Madame de Beauvais, | 0:00:36 | 0:00:38 | |
chosen because she was loyal, and also because she was ugly. | 0:00:38 | 0:00:41 | |
Those were two very useful things for Anne of Austria. | 0:00:41 | 0:00:44 | |
But Louis was very grateful for her attentions. | 0:00:44 | 0:00:46 | |
They had a few rolls in the hay, and he gave her a pension, | 0:00:46 | 0:00:49 | |
he gave her a house. | 0:00:49 | 0:00:50 | |
But what Anne of Austria is doing there is making sure that he | 0:00:50 | 0:00:53 | |
learns about sexual initiations, | 0:00:53 | 0:00:55 | |
not from a glamorous lady-in-waiting who might exploit him, | 0:00:55 | 0:00:58 | |
not to fall in love with a girl of his own age, | 0:00:58 | 0:01:00 | |
she wants to make him marry for political reasons, | 0:01:00 | 0:01:03 | |
and take mistresses for sex, which is exactly what happened. | 0:01:03 | 0:01:06 | |
So, Anne was incredibly successful about controlling her son's emotional life. | 0:01:06 | 0:01:11 | |
OK, so we've got a quick insight into his childhood there, | 0:01:11 | 0:01:13 | |
and actually, it's an interesting time politically, | 0:01:13 | 0:01:16 | |
so we should probably start talking to our expert, Doctor Sara Barker | 0:01:16 | 0:01:20 | |
about the politics of this period in history which we call the "Fronde". What is the Fronde? | 0:01:20 | 0:01:24 | |
The Fronde is essentially a period of civil war that really | 0:01:24 | 0:01:28 | |
rocks France to the core in the middle of the 17th century. | 0:01:28 | 0:01:31 | |
It starts really as a revolt over taxes, | 0:01:31 | 0:01:36 | |
always a sore point for people, | 0:01:36 | 0:01:38 | |
but by that point, in the minority, | 0:01:38 | 0:01:40 | |
so many people are upset with Anne, and also with Louis' | 0:01:40 | 0:01:43 | |
chief minister, that it really spirals out of control. | 0:01:43 | 0:01:46 | |
Everybody seems to get involved at one point or another | 0:01:46 | 0:01:49 | |
and it really does shake France for five years, essentially. | 0:01:49 | 0:01:53 | |
So, this word, la Fronde, it comes from the French for catapult, | 0:01:53 | 0:01:56 | |
-doesn't it? -Yes, we've got barricades in the streets of Paris. | 0:01:56 | 0:02:00 | |
-With catapults? -With catapults. | 0:02:00 | 0:02:02 | |
We have princes getting involved, Louis' uncle gets involved, | 0:02:02 | 0:02:07 | |
the nobles get involved. Entire towns go into insurrection. | 0:02:07 | 0:02:11 | |
The town of Bordeaux essentially revolts up against everybody | 0:02:11 | 0:02:15 | |
-and sets themselves up as an entirely separate system. -Oh, wow. | 0:02:15 | 0:02:18 | |
It's really... It doesn't get more serious. | 0:02:18 | 0:02:21 | |
It's the people versus the monarchy. | 0:02:21 | 0:02:23 | |
It's the people, it's the nobles, it's the "parlement". | 0:02:23 | 0:02:26 | |
It's absolutely everybody. | 0:02:26 | 0:02:27 | |
The critical thing is that nobody manages to sort of | 0:02:27 | 0:02:31 | |
ally with the different groups, so it all kind of flounders. | 0:02:31 | 0:02:35 | |
Because it seems like, when you look at it, an unwinnable possibility. | 0:02:35 | 0:02:39 | |
Everyone is against Anne and Mazarin, | 0:02:39 | 0:02:41 | |
so how can they possibly win? And yet they do. | 0:02:41 | 0:02:43 | |
And at the same time, you've got the civil war going on in England. | 0:02:43 | 0:02:46 | |
-You've got that ending badly. -Yeah. | 0:02:46 | 0:02:50 | |
But there's no kind of focal point for everybody to really, | 0:02:50 | 0:02:54 | |
sort of, coalesce and agree on. | 0:02:54 | 0:02:56 | |
So, it's a mess, but it's a mess that's unwinnable. | 0:02:56 | 0:02:59 | |
So, the Fronde, it seems as if they're going to win | 0:02:59 | 0:03:01 | |
and yet it collapses into recriminations and divisions. | 0:03:01 | 0:03:06 | |
But what we've got here is this | 0:03:06 | 0:03:07 | |
picture of Louis crushing | 0:03:07 | 0:03:09 | |
the Fronde. So I think he's meant | 0:03:09 | 0:03:10 | |
-to be Jupiter here. -Rather good publicity... | 0:03:10 | 0:03:12 | |
Yeah, as if it's all his amazing success rather than | 0:03:12 | 0:03:15 | |
the fact that they all just lost. | 0:03:15 | 0:03:17 | |
-So, Louis was a pre-adolescent at this point, wasn't he? -Yeah. | 0:03:17 | 0:03:20 | |
Quite young, and yet here he's this God already, | 0:03:20 | 0:03:23 | |
so royal propaganda, crushing the Fronde, | 0:03:23 | 0:03:26 | |
-it's already working well for him. -Absolutely. | 0:03:26 | 0:03:28 | |
And I think it's worth pointing out that the Fronde was | 0:03:28 | 0:03:31 | |
absolutely a formative experience for Louis. | 0:03:31 | 0:03:34 | |
At one point he has to flee Paris in the middle of the night | 0:03:34 | 0:03:37 | |
-because things are getting too dangerous. -He's under house arrest as well. | 0:03:37 | 0:03:40 | |
He's under house arrest. It's an incredibly traumatic experience for him | 0:03:40 | 0:03:43 | |
and he really sees what happens when people really go against the monarchy. | 0:03:43 | 0:03:47 | |
And I think it's something that stays with him | 0:03:47 | 0:03:50 | |
-for the rest of his life. -It's interesting that he writes in his memoirs, doesn't he, | 0:03:50 | 0:03:54 | |
"If you give power to the people, it poisons them." | 0:03:54 | 0:03:56 | |
So, he doesn't think you should give the people a single bit of power. | 0:03:56 | 0:04:00 | |
It completely infects his notion of democracy, | 0:04:00 | 0:04:03 | |
ie, You shouldn't have it. | 0:04:03 | 0:04:04 | |
Absolutely. It makes him very suspicious of what's going on in | 0:04:04 | 0:04:07 | |
Paris, it makes him very suspicious of what the nobles might get up to. | 0:04:07 | 0:04:10 | |
It really is something that stays with him. | 0:04:10 | 0:04:12 | |
So, the paranoid Louis we see in this series owes a lot | 0:04:12 | 0:04:15 | |
-to the fact of this Fronde rebellion. -Absolutely. | 0:04:15 | 0:04:18 | |
So, he's had a pretty torrid time as a young man. | 0:04:18 | 0:04:21 | |
And Versailles... Is that his response to not enjoying himself in Paris | 0:04:21 | 0:04:26 | |
and seeing the threatened nobility, or is it just a pleasure palace? | 0:04:26 | 0:04:29 | |
I think it's a little bit of both, really. | 0:04:29 | 0:04:31 | |
It certainly is a place that he feels that he can control | 0:04:31 | 0:04:35 | |
and that he can use the nobles as he wants to. | 0:04:35 | 0:04:39 | |
I think one of the things that it's useful to remember is that he | 0:04:39 | 0:04:43 | |
didn't just go to Versailles straight away. | 0:04:43 | 0:04:46 | |
It was a hunting lodge, it had been used by his father, | 0:04:46 | 0:04:49 | |
but there were other royal palaces that he stayed in. | 0:04:49 | 0:04:52 | |
The move to Versailles as we think of Versailles is actually far | 0:04:52 | 0:04:55 | |
more gradual than is perhaps depicted. | 0:04:55 | 0:04:57 | |
And in this episode we've seen Louis demanding | 0:04:57 | 0:05:00 | |
proof of nobility from his dukes and his counts. | 0:05:00 | 0:05:04 | |
Did that happen? Is that true? | 0:05:04 | 0:05:05 | |
Is he actually wielding that kind of power and saying | 0:05:05 | 0:05:08 | |
"OK, prove to me that you deserve to be here." | 0:05:08 | 0:05:11 | |
Or is that more of a poetical imagination in the drama? | 0:05:11 | 0:05:14 | |
No, no, that did happen. | 0:05:14 | 0:05:16 | |
There was a big commission in the 1660s | 0:05:16 | 0:05:19 | |
and 1670s where people were expected to produce letters of nobility | 0:05:19 | 0:05:23 | |
to commissioners who'd been sent out. | 0:05:23 | 0:05:26 | |
It was something that his father had tried to do as well. | 0:05:26 | 0:05:28 | |
Actually, a lot of it comes down to tax. | 0:05:28 | 0:05:30 | |
-If you're a noble, you don't pay tax. -Ah, that's worth having. | 0:05:30 | 0:05:34 | |
And there's quite a few people who'd like to be able to sidestep that. | 0:05:34 | 0:05:39 | |
But also, it's a nice thing to be a noble. | 0:05:39 | 0:05:41 | |
It conveys honour and grandeur. | 0:05:41 | 0:05:43 | |
So there is this attempt to try and control, survey the nobility. | 0:05:43 | 0:05:50 | |
It doesn't go very well. They soon realise that it's actually | 0:05:50 | 0:05:53 | |
a real headache to try and organise that. | 0:05:53 | 0:05:55 | |
With Cassel, we have here a very powerful man who is putting | 0:05:55 | 0:06:00 | |
up resistance. Is that happing as well? I mean we've seen, | 0:06:00 | 0:06:03 | |
obviously, the Parthenay family | 0:06:03 | 0:06:05 | |
being brutally murdered on the roads. | 0:06:05 | 0:06:07 | |
Is there a sense that there's conspiracies afoot here? | 0:06:07 | 0:06:10 | |
I don't think it's quite so pronounced as we're perhaps seeing in the drama. | 0:06:10 | 0:06:14 | |
So you don't see anyone stealing marble on the way to Versailles? | 0:06:14 | 0:06:16 | |
Not the kind of thing I've come across, no. | 0:06:16 | 0:06:19 | |
But there is a lot tension within the ranks of the nobility | 0:06:19 | 0:06:22 | |
themselves, they're not just one big, homogenous mass. | 0:06:22 | 0:06:25 | |
There are the great traditional nobles who've got lineages | 0:06:25 | 0:06:29 | |
going back as long as your arm. | 0:06:29 | 0:06:32 | |
And Louis remembers all of those, he has a great memory for the lineages. | 0:06:32 | 0:06:36 | |
There are the new up and coming nobles, | 0:06:36 | 0:06:38 | |
people who are making their way through service. | 0:06:38 | 0:06:41 | |
And the, sort of, tensions between these two groups. | 0:06:41 | 0:06:44 | |
So, we're not getting quite the sort of opposition to Louis. | 0:06:44 | 0:06:46 | |
And I think, particularly after the Fronde, you know, | 0:06:46 | 0:06:49 | |
Louis had essentially won the Fronde, | 0:06:49 | 0:06:51 | |
certainly portrayed himself as winning the Fronde | 0:06:51 | 0:06:55 | |
and I think the nobles learn a lot from that, | 0:06:55 | 0:06:58 | |
that it's not so clever to try and face him outright. | 0:06:58 | 0:07:03 | |
It's perhaps better to try and work within the system a little bit. | 0:07:03 | 0:07:07 | |
You're never going to win, Louis versus the nobles. | 0:07:07 | 0:07:09 | |
Well, thank you so much Sara, that's been completely fascinating. | 0:07:09 | 0:07:12 | |
So, what an episode. | 0:07:12 | 0:07:14 | |
Gripping stuff, there's been murder, there's been nobles versus | 0:07:14 | 0:07:17 | |
Louis and these things are so important | 0:07:17 | 0:07:19 | |
because that's pretty much the | 0:07:19 | 0:07:20 | |
backbone of the entire series. Who's going to win? The nobles or Louis? | 0:07:20 | 0:07:25 | |
-So, join us next week for more from Inside Versailles. -Bonsoir. | 0:07:25 | 0:07:28 | |
Bonsoir. | 0:07:28 | 0:07:30 |