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Wales has been hit by a summer of flash floods. It took three months | :00:14. | :00:20. | |
to draw it out properly. Mid-thigh height. Homes and businesses ruined. | :00:20. | :00:26. | |
The odds are there is more of this to come. So the bad news in terms | :00:26. | :00:30. | |
of flooding it can only get considerably worse. Are we making | :00:30. | :00:36. | |
matters worse, where we build? a disastrous policy to build on | :00:36. | :00:40. | |
flood plains, why don't you stop? Who will pick up the bill if | :00:40. | :00:45. | |
insurers pull the plug? The only way to get insurance is maybe to go | :00:45. | :00:55. | |
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Hardly a day seems to have gone by without rain. But for some | :01:21. | :01:26. | |
communities, it's been even worse, having to deal with the devastating | :01:26. | :01:36. | |
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consequences of flooding, as they know only too clearly in Mid Wales. | :01:38. | :01:43. | |
Devastated, shocked. I've just decorated it all and had new carpet. | :01:43. | :01:47. | |
People who've lived here for years, say they've never seen anything | :01:47. | :01:55. | |
like it. It's getting worse, not better at the moment. It's | :01:55. | :02:00. | |
overwhelmed three cottages coming right through. That's my car half | :02:00. | :02:10. | |
under water in the front garden. I'm just exhausted, you know, | :02:10. | :02:20. | |
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Out the back here, this is where the water was cascading over, like | :02:26. | :02:30. | |
a water fall. It brought the wall down either side. It's lucky the | :02:30. | :02:33. | |
wall never caved in when anyone was walking along here. I dread to | :02:33. | :02:38. | |
think what would have happened, the weight of it. Do you find that | :02:38. | :02:42. | |
unnerving to see that and reflect on that? I heard it go. There was a | :02:42. | :02:45. | |
horrible thump and a thud and the whole of the building shook. I | :02:45. | :02:50. | |
could have still be in that bed or the whole house could have been | :02:50. | :02:53. | |
inundated. Yeah, I feel sorry for people who've come off worse than | :02:53. | :03:03. | |
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me. Mike was lucky to get out. Next door, Beverley Jones and her five- | :03:04. | :03:09. | |
year-old daughter almost didn't. The water level was a couple of | :03:09. | :03:14. | |
feet up. There was also water in the house at this point. You were | :03:14. | :03:19. | |
on the inside? Yes, I was. Pulling on the door, not getting anywhere? | :03:19. | :03:23. | |
No. Was that frightening? It was. Especially when I heard the thud | :03:23. | :03:27. | |
and the bang that the retaining wall out the back made. There was a | :03:27. | :03:30. | |
fireman trying to get into the kitchen window. But it's very small, | :03:30. | :03:35. | |
so he couldn't get in. There were three firemen stood outside. They | :03:35. | :03:38. | |
managed to open the door and with that the gush of twhaurt came in | :03:38. | :03:45. | |
was incredible. Due feel as if your life was at risk at that point? | :03:45. | :03:53. | |
did. Within an hour, people living in these cottages saw their homes | :03:53. | :04:02. | |
ruined. They weren't alone. In total a thousand people across Mid | :04:02. | :04:12. | |
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Wales were affected. Winching in. Steady there. | :04:13. | :04:17. | |
The news cameras have gone, but for those affected, the story is far | :04:17. | :04:23. | |
from over. They all want to know why they were hit so hard by floods | :04:23. | :04:33. | |
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The people of Ceredigion might think they've been very unlucky, | :04:37. | :04:41. | |
after all more than a month's rain fell in one day and that's not | :04:41. | :04:46. | |
supposed to happen. It was an unprecedented event, a freak, no- | :04:46. | :04:51. | |
one could remember anything like it. The truth is that it fits into a | :04:51. | :04:56. | |
worrying trend. I'm talking about climate change and one of the | :04:56. | :05:06. | |
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world's leading experts lives just around the corner. Sir John | :05:07. | :05:12. | |
Houghton chaired the international panel on change. It drafted its | :05:12. | :05:15. | |
first ground-breaking reports, warnings accepted by governments | :05:15. | :05:21. | |
worldwide. His message today remains stark. Some people in the | :05:22. | :05:25. | |
political world seem unwilling to accept how bad it is likely to be. | :05:25. | :05:32. | |
They should look at our documents. They should look at the IPCC's work. | :05:32. | :05:37. | |
Nearly everything that we've said, things are in the upper side of the | :05:37. | :05:40. | |
estimates that we made. The rain will tend to come down in bigger | :05:40. | :05:45. | |
dollops with more intensity. The likelihood is by the middle of the | :05:45. | :05:49. | |
century on average around the globe, an increase in the risk of floods | :05:49. | :05:52. | |
and droughts of the order of a factor of five. That's a very large | :05:52. | :06:02. | |
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number. The odds are shortening and The Environment Agency too have | :06:07. | :06:10. | |
some startling predictions about the effect of climate change and | :06:10. | :06:15. | |
development on the numbers at high risk in Wales. They're predicting | :06:16. | :06:19. | |
by the end of the century Newport will see numbers at risk of | :06:19. | :06:23. | |
flooding double from 6,000 to 12,000 in. Cardiff, from a couple | :06:23. | :06:28. | |
of hundred to 4,000 plus. Even inland, the towns of Risca and | :06:28. | :06:33. | |
Ystwyth Medical Centre, the risk will triple. Swansea will also see | :06:33. | :06:37. | |
numbers almost double. Llanelli and Port Talbot are already with | :06:37. | :06:41. | |
thousands of homes at risks in. North Wales, Rhyl will see numbers | :06:41. | :06:46. | |
jumping from 3,500 to 5,000. Overall, numbers of properties at | :06:46. | :06:56. | |
risk in Wales will double. That's just those that are most at risk. | :06:56. | :07:00. | |
It might be all too easy to think it's only those people who live | :07:00. | :07:05. | |
close to rivers or in low lying coastal areas that have a problem, | :07:05. | :07:09. | |
but the Environment Agency has told us that in Wales, 600,000 people, | :07:09. | :07:14. | |
that's one in five of us, live in properties that are vulnerable to | :07:14. | :07:20. | |
flooding. With climate change threatening to put more at risk, | :07:20. | :07:22. | |
the issue is concentrating the minds of those who are trying to | :07:22. | :07:27. | |
keep us safe. This summer, we've seen a great deal of rainfall, you | :07:27. | :07:31. | |
know the highest on record, so flooding has been a challenge for | :07:31. | :07:36. | |
us this year. I think we need to be prepared for it as a challenge in | :07:36. | :07:45. | |
the future. Our main lounge. As you can see, it's a bit of a state at | :07:45. | :07:50. | |
the moment. Local Councillor Gareth Davies is rebuilding his house. He | :07:50. | :07:56. | |
and his neighbours on the outskirts of Aberystwyth saw their homes | :07:56. | :08:02. | |
flooded for the first time. I have doubts as to the wisdom of | :08:02. | :08:09. | |
developing on flood plains. We've seen from areas of Aberystwyth that | :08:09. | :08:14. | |
if you build on a natural flood plain, then that water has to go | :08:14. | :08:18. | |
somewhere else. Flood water normally runs into the field | :08:18. | :08:23. | |
opposite. He believes the increasing development in the area | :08:23. | :08:29. | |
is putting his property at greater risk. Things may even get worse. | :08:29. | :08:33. | |
There are discussions taking place at the moment, as I understand, | :08:33. | :08:39. | |
with a developer of buying all these fields up here as residential | :08:39. | :08:44. | |
homes. In a word, what would you think of that? Madness. Salute | :08:44. | :08:49. | |
madness. You have to question the future of any such development, to | :08:49. | :08:52. | |
be honest, not only in this field here, but further down the valley | :08:52. | :08:59. | |
as well. You know, I can show you photos of 30, 40 years ago. It was | :08:59. | :09:04. | |
even under water then. An aerial view of the area shows just how | :09:04. | :09:08. | |
much the town's flood plain has changed. In the 70s this is still | :09:08. | :09:14. | |
an area of green fields. Today, some of the fields are still there, | :09:15. | :09:24. | |
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but so are developments of housing, offices and shops. Professor Mark | :09:27. | :09:32. | |
Macklynis is an expert on river flows at the internationally | :09:32. | :09:37. | |
aclaimed earth studies department at Aberystwyth. He has released a | :09:37. | :09:41. | |
report into why the recent floods were so devastating and one reason | :09:41. | :09:47. | |
stands out. We've got the flood plain map in 1906, showing the | :09:47. | :09:52. | |
urban areas in grey. We can pack out Llanbadarn Fawr. And the blue? | :09:52. | :09:56. | |
That's the Environment Agency's 100 year flood limits. This is where | :09:57. | :10:01. | |
it's likely to flood. Exactly. Let's bring it to the modern day. | :10:01. | :10:06. | |
This is the situation in the present, exactly the same scale. | :10:06. | :10:10. | |
can see the blue area is full of development. It is. Unfortunately. | :10:10. | :10:15. | |
Both in terms of new housing, supermarkets, and also the | :10:15. | :10:20. | |
industrial estate as well. Should they be there? In my view, no. | :10:20. | :10:23. | |
They're exposing folk to increased flood risk in a way that shouldn't | :10:23. | :10:28. | |
be the case. What is the consequence of building on a flood | :10:28. | :10:33. | |
plain? The consequence, as you clearly see here, is that the | :10:33. | :10:37. | |
people who live here is exposed to greater flood risk. A consequence | :10:37. | :10:41. | |
of that development itself actually changes the flood risk both up and | :10:41. | :10:51. | |
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down stream. So there's actually a two-fold effect. The surgery | :10:53. | :10:57. | |
remains closed after it was submerged on Saturday. The doctors | :10:57. | :11:03. | |
and nurses have relocated to another site. I got a phone call | :11:03. | :11:06. | |
from the practice manager saying you have to get to the surgery now. | :11:06. | :11:13. | |
I came down here with my husband to be met with a scene of devastation. | :11:13. | :11:17. | |
This GP Medical Centre is in the middle of that flood plain | :11:17. | :11:21. | |
development. It's so severely damaged that it can't be re- | :11:21. | :11:24. | |
occupied until February next year. When a development like this is | :11:24. | :11:27. | |
being considered, we think the people who know, the people with | :11:27. | :11:31. | |
the expertise in flooding, in planning etc will take these things | :11:31. | :11:35. | |
into account. We perhaps believed too readily their judgments, | :11:35. | :11:39. | |
without actually considering the sort of more simple facts of this | :11:39. | :11:44. | |
was a flood plain and it's acted as a flood plane as a millennia and to | :11:44. | :11:48. | |
build on it will have consequences. Approval for building here on flood | :11:48. | :11:53. | |
plains came from the local Council. Their offices are just across the | :11:53. | :11:58. | |
road from the GP surgery. It's all too tempting, if you can create | :11:58. | :12:03. | |
jobs, if you can build communities to just turn a blind eye, on the | :12:03. | :12:07. | |
basis that, well, it may not happen for another 100 years, so let's go | :12:07. | :12:11. | |
ahead and do it any way. I hope it doesn't happen for another 100 | :12:11. | :12:17. | |
years. Buff I take your point. The trouble is, quite often in rural, | :12:17. | :12:22. | |
hilly areas, mountainous areas like Wales, quite often the only places | :12:22. | :12:26. | |
available to develop happen to be on valley floors. You're caught | :12:26. | :12:30. | |
between the devil and the deep blue sea. If you develop on the flood | :12:30. | :12:34. | |
plains you might well end up in the deep blue sea. That's really what | :12:34. | :12:39. | |
nobody wants. Exactly, I totally agree with you. It's a dilemma for | :12:39. | :12:43. | |
all councils. We need more housing, more offices, more business space | :12:43. | :12:49. | |
and even GPs surgeries. They have to go somewhere. In Scotland, they | :12:50. | :12:54. | |
have a firmer view on how much development their flood plains can | :12:54. | :12:59. | |
take. Here, the risk of building on flood plains was brought home | :12:59. | :13:05. | |
vividly 20 years ago by an event that happened in Perth. By morning, | :13:05. | :13:08. | |
the full extent of the flood damage could be seen. These are playing | :13:08. | :13:15. | |
fields. The tips of the goal posts just visible. David Crichton is one | :13:15. | :13:21. | |
of the leading authorities on flood risk insurance. Where did the water | :13:21. | :13:25. | |
come to? The top of the door, about two experts. He and other experts | :13:25. | :13:29. | |
were asked to find ways of minimising the risk of flooding. | :13:29. | :13:34. | |
The groups of people involving insurers, property developers and | :13:34. | :13:38. | |
planners came together and said, this is silly, it's crazy to | :13:38. | :13:41. | |
continue building in flood risk areas, let's just stop it. The | :13:41. | :13:48. | |
property developers were not very happy. But faced with the | :13:48. | :13:52. | |
onslaught,if you like, of the planners, worried about their | :13:52. | :13:57. | |
liabilities and ensurers worried about the high risk, they | :13:58. | :14:04. | |
eventually stopped. I think the compassion overcomes the desire for | :14:04. | :14:11. | |
economic growth. Along with the damage that flooding brings, there | :14:11. | :14:18. | |
is also personal trauma. Beverley and her daughter survived the flood | :14:18. | :14:26. | |
in their house they share with their mother. This is your | :14:26. | :14:30. | |
environment and you feel safe, you know, whatever you choose or | :14:30. | :14:33. | |
wherever you choose your environment, you feel safe in that. | :14:33. | :14:37. | |
And it hit me like a brick wall. I went over to the doctors and you | :14:37. | :14:42. | |
know, and she said no, you've just experienced, this is the last straw | :14:42. | :14:48. | |
that broke the camel's back. Traumatic stress? Yes, I have 37 | :14:48. | :14:52. | |
boxes of stuff, personal things that you've got that you've been | :14:52. | :14:58. | |
and put out with family or with friends. It's like a huge jigsaw | :14:58. | :15:01. | |
puzzle. You're very vulnerable because you have lost your | :15:01. | :15:11. | |
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This was the lounge. There was carpet. I had a table and four | :15:16. | :15:20. | |
chairs there, three-piece suite. the corner? Yeah and Welsh dresser | :15:20. | :15:24. | |
in that corner, television, you know, a nice, I hadn't long | :15:25. | :15:29. | |
decorated in here. It had all just been o done. I'm looking forward to | :15:29. | :15:35. | |
getting back in me home, once it's all done up. But I will have a | :15:35. | :15:38. | |
certain amount of apprehension, you know, should another event like | :15:38. | :15:45. | |
this ever happen again. It does prey on your mind, obviously. I | :15:45. | :15:52. | |
wouldn't be telling the truth if I said otherwise. When the increasing | :15:52. | :15:57. | |
effects of flooding became all too clear, in 2004, the Welsh | :15:57. | :16:02. | |
Government decided to take action. It passed a new regulation, | :16:02. | :16:08. | |
technical advice note 15, or TAN15. It's planning guidance from the | :16:08. | :16:12. | |
Government which is trying to make sure that we're not adding to this | :16:12. | :16:16. | |
problem. A lot of development has taken place in the flood plain, but | :16:16. | :16:21. | |
going forward, we need to make sure we're not adding to that. It spells | :16:21. | :16:27. | |
out clearly that homes should not be built on flood plains. But Week | :16:27. | :16:30. | |
In Week Out has discovered that the new law seems to have had little | :16:30. | :16:38. | |
effect. When TAN15 came in half of applications sunted to the | :16:38. | :16:41. | |
Environment Agency in Wales were still given permission. The | :16:41. | :16:46. | |
following year that figure dropped as the new law hit home. By 2011, | :16:46. | :16:50. | |
development was once again just as likely to be given the go ahead as | :16:50. | :16:57. | |
before. In fact, since TAN15 was passed 745 schemes have been built | :16:57. | :17:03. | |
in flood risk areas. So what's changed? Well, it seems, that this | :17:03. | :17:08. | |
might have made a difference. It's a circular written by Carwyn Jones | :17:08. | :17:13. | |
when he was environment minister in Wales in 2006. It serves to clarify | :17:13. | :17:19. | |
the new law governing building on flood plains. It includes some | :17:19. | :17:25. | |
telling points for the Environment Agency in Wales. In one key | :17:25. | :17:28. | |
paragraph Mr Jones says he only expects the agency to object where | :17:28. | :17:33. | |
it is appropriate to do so in flood Risk Management terms. Rather than | :17:33. | :17:38. | |
as a matter of principle, therefore the Environment Agency may object | :17:38. | :17:45. | |
not will object. It's very carefully worded. It | :17:45. | :17:51. | |
appears, to me, to be telling the Environment Agency that they don't | :17:51. | :17:55. | |
need to object to new development on the grounds of flood risk. | :17:55. | :18:00. | |
What's your impression of such sentiments? I think it is | :18:00. | :18:07. | |
irresponsible. Mr Jones's letter appears to have hit home. Since | :18:08. | :18:12. | |
2006, the Environment Agency has been withdrawing outright | :18:12. | :18:16. | |
objections, allowing adapted schemes to go ahead. So have they | :18:16. | :18:26. | |
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been warned off? I would refute that. As I say, we will provide our | :18:26. | :18:29. | |
expert flood risk advice to the local authority and if necessary, | :18:29. | :18:35. | |
we will object. Well, I put it to you that in 428 cases since you | :18:35. | :18:40. | |
received that letter, you were advised -- you revised your | :18:40. | :18:43. | |
objection. We looked to see whether or not the flood risk can be | :18:43. | :18:49. | |
managed. If it can be, then that means that the flood risk can be | :18:49. | :18:52. | |
avoided. Any sort of development on a flood plain is a seriously bad | :18:52. | :18:58. | |
idea, isn't it? I think that's taking a rather extreme view. The | :18:58. | :19:03. | |
sort of... Isn't that the point of TAN15? You need to look at the | :19:03. | :19:07. | |
exact type of risk that you're dealing with. You need to be able | :19:07. | :19:13. | |
to see whether or not you can actually manage that. But can that | :19:13. | :19:23. | |
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risk be managed? Mick and Jennie We're both kind of watery based | :19:34. | :19:39. | |
people and like messing about with water. That's why we came to live | :19:39. | :19:43. | |
in this area, because of the hills, the rivers an the sea. We get | :19:43. | :19:46. | |
tremendous pleasure being in the environment and experiencing all | :19:46. | :19:52. | |
these things. That included buying an idyllic cottage in tolly bont, | :19:52. | :19:56. | |
complete with a river in the back - - Talybont, complete with a river | :19:56. | :20:01. | |
in the back garden. We talked about it and thought we might get flooded, | :20:01. | :20:05. | |
but I imagined two or three inches into the kitchen, not seven foot. | :20:05. | :20:10. | |
Yes, it was a major wake-up call. Do you worry about that, though? | :20:10. | :20:16. | |
Not particularly worry about it. Yeah. You do? I do, a bit. But I | :20:16. | :20:20. | |
think it's focused our minds in working out how we live in this | :20:20. | :20:25. | |
house in a different way. All our valuable stuff will be upstairs. | :20:25. | :20:30. | |
There are things we can do. I'm in discussion with the highways | :20:30. | :20:34. | |
department about the bridge, how to deal with the wall in front of the | :20:34. | :20:40. | |
house. All these things may lessen the effect of a flood. | :20:40. | :20:43. | |
community of Talybont is not alone in recognising the need to improve | :20:43. | :20:49. | |
its flood defences. These are often seen as the solution. Many flood | :20:49. | :20:57. | |
plains in Wales have them with millions being spent each year. | :20:57. | :21:03. | |
That gets jammed with rubbish. stream at Llanbadarn Fawr a meeting | :21:03. | :21:07. | |
organised by the Environment Agency is offering the community ideas and | :21:07. | :21:13. | |
a possible defence solution. But at what cost? Funding is an issue. The | :21:13. | :21:16. | |
Environment Agency have spoken about a cost of being about | :21:16. | :21:20. | |
�100,000, which is not a great deal of money when you take into account | :21:20. | :21:23. | |
the amount of insurance claims that have gone in. I would hope that | :21:23. | :21:27. | |
Government would fund the flooding defences that are needed to sort | :21:27. | :21:31. | |
our problem out. Of course, there is an issue of maintenance and that | :21:31. | :21:34. | |
is an issue that needs to be addressed and fairly quickly I | :21:34. | :21:39. | |
would suggest. The Environment Agency calculates that the money | :21:39. | :21:43. | |
they're already spending on defences will have to increase | :21:43. | :21:48. | |
three fold to meet future demand. All the agencies accept that's | :21:48. | :21:55. | |
unrealistic yet councils keep giving permission to build, even | :21:55. | :21:59. | |
against advice. Your Council has approved at least three other | :21:59. | :22:04. | |
schemes, Capel Bangor, Penrhyn Coch, 2010, 2008, 2008. You're going back | :22:04. | :22:08. | |
a few years now. I'm in the aware that those are huge developments. | :22:08. | :22:11. | |
In fact they are developments on flood plains, against the advice of | :22:11. | :22:15. | |
the Environment Agency. If they were, I'm very surprised. I'm Notts | :22:15. | :22:18. | |
a member of that committee. I don't know the detail of these. I | :22:18. | :22:21. | |
wouldn't be happy to see developments on flood plains now at | :22:22. | :22:30. | |
all. As we continue to build, the stakes are being raised. The | :22:30. | :22:34. | |
authorities say they accept that climate change is a reality, but is | :22:34. | :22:39. | |
the real level of risk being passed on to the public? There is a very | :22:39. | :22:43. | |
detailed flood map available on the Environment Agency's website. But | :22:43. | :22:48. | |
is it telling us what we need to know? How would it look if | :22:48. | :22:51. | |
Professor Houghton's prediction was factored in? If you talk of a | :22:51. | :22:56. | |
factor of five, then one in 200 becomes one in 40. Instead of | :22:56. | :23:03. | |
waiting 200 years for the next one, you wait 40. You have 50-year | :23:03. | :23:07. | |
periods, it's one in ten years. That's a scary story for all of us, | :23:07. | :23:12. | |
actually. If you include Professor Houghton's predictions this would | :23:12. | :23:18. | |
be the result in Aberystwyth. This is the current tidal flood plain | :23:18. | :23:23. | |
map for a one in 200 year event. But more extreme weather and a one | :23:23. | :23:28. | |
metre rise in sea levels would see it grow to this. Add in river | :23:28. | :23:36. | |
flooding, more people are going to be at risk more often. The website | :23:36. | :23:40. | |
also surprisingly doesn't include much data on historical floods. If | :23:40. | :23:44. | |
it did, it would be clear that the June floods were not as | :23:44. | :23:48. | |
unprecedented as claimed. The 24 hour rainfall was about 146mm, | :23:48. | :23:52. | |
that's only the sixth largest in the historical record in Wales. It | :23:52. | :23:57. | |
doesn't come even in the top 15 for the UK. We have probably larger | :23:57. | :24:01. | |
floods in the 1970s and 60s, but we didn't have the degree of | :24:01. | :24:04. | |
development. What do you make of mapping that goes on, the | :24:04. | :24:09. | |
Environment Agency will offer on their website, is it accurate? | :24:09. | :24:16. | |
precise, but probably not accurate. As the Ystwyth Medical Centre found | :24:16. | :24:22. | |
out. They were not listed on the map, so they didn't get a flood | :24:22. | :24:25. | |
warning. I don't know if they got a warning. No they didn't. They | :24:25. | :24:29. | |
weren't on a flood map. Since then they now are. Certainly in that | :24:29. | :24:34. | |
area, many properties will have received a flood warning. What are | :24:34. | :24:41. | |
those properties doing this in the first place? That, at the end of | :24:41. | :24:46. | |
the day, the development is decided through the planning process. It's | :24:46. | :24:50. | |
up to the local authority to decide whether or not developments goes | :24:50. | :24:53. | |
ahead. The Environment Agency advise - it's the Welsh Government | :24:53. | :24:59. | |
that draws up the rules. The minister in charge is John | :24:59. | :25:03. | |
Griffiths. It's a disastrous policy to build on flood plains, why don't | :25:03. | :25:08. | |
you stop it? We have a policy in place which does effectively stop | :25:08. | :25:13. | |
development on flood plains. Do you know why Ceredigion was so badly | :25:13. | :25:19. | |
flooded? It was an extreme weather event. Do you know about Professor | :25:19. | :25:22. | |
Mark Macklynis and advises your Government? I spoke to local | :25:22. | :25:26. | |
people... And told us that it's largely the flooding that took | :25:26. | :25:29. | |
place on that flood plain was as a result of the development that had | :25:29. | :25:34. | |
happened there? I spoke to local people who were aged over 80 years | :25:34. | :25:38. | |
of age, who told me that they've never experienced flooding as they | :25:38. | :25:41. | |
did this year, even though they'd lived in local communities affected | :25:41. | :25:46. | |
for all of their lives. Are you aware of a letter that Carwyn Jones | :25:46. | :25:50. | |
wrote when he was sitting in your chair as environment minister in | :25:50. | :25:56. | |
2006? It was to the Environment Agency. In effect, it told them to | :25:56. | :26:01. | |
ease off. I'm not aware of a letter that in effect told the Environment | :26:01. | :26:06. | |
Agency to ease off. I am aware of a letter that clarified the role of | :26:06. | :26:11. | |
the Environment Agency in terms of its statutory... He says "I would | :26:11. | :26:14. | |
only expect the agency to object where it is appropriate to do in a | :26:14. | :26:20. | |
flood management terms, rather than a matter of principle." What's that, | :26:20. | :26:26. | |
if it's not telling them to ease off? I'm very cautious about | :26:26. | :26:29. | |
selective quotations from long letters, may I say. It's not that | :26:29. | :26:32. | |
long a letter. That's a selective quotation. There's much else in the | :26:32. | :26:39. | |
letter as well. It's important that the Environment Agency as a | :26:39. | :26:43. | |
statutory consultee full tills its responsibilities appropriately. | :26:43. | :26:46. | |
Where that needs to be clarified by Welsh Government, it's important | :26:46. | :26:52. | |
that happens. In Talybont the flood survivors meet regularly. Here, | :26:52. | :26:58. | |
they're talking about insurance. now pay �140 a month. My insurance | :26:58. | :27:03. | |
has gone up by �1200 a year because of this event. The insurance | :27:03. | :27:07. | |
industry has an arrangement with the Government to cover high risk | :27:07. | :27:11. | |
areas. That's under review. In 12 months' time I believe the | :27:11. | :27:16. | |
statement of principles comes to an end. What that will mean for all | :27:16. | :27:22. | |
our insurance beyond that 12 months, I don't know. After next year, when | :27:22. | :27:25. | |
the insurance guarantee goes, Wales is going to be one of the first | :27:25. | :27:31. | |
countries to suffer from blue lining in the UK. The only way for | :27:31. | :27:37. | |
some of them to get flood insurance after that time may be to go to a | :27:37. | :27:42. | |
betting shop. Because insurers regard the risk as so serious it's | :27:42. | :27:47. | |
no longer insurance, it's a gamble. It's four months since the | :27:48. | :27:51. | |
Ceredigion flooding and of the people we met, only Mike is back | :27:51. | :27:57. | |
home. Today, we seem to be getting more and more floods, in parts of | :27:57. | :28:01. | |
the country that have never been previously affected. The truth is | :28:01. | :28:05. | |
that for more and more of us, this could be an all too familiar scene. | :28:05. | :28:11. | |
I do come up on a daily basis to check. It's going to take a little | :28:11. | :28:16. | |
time. I don't know when we'll be moving in. | :28:16. | :28:20. |