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In the Caribbean, | 0:00:03 | 0:00:05 | |
on the shore of one | 0:00:05 | 0:00:06 | |
of the American Virgin Islands, | 0:00:06 | 0:00:08 | |
sits a strange, crumbling building. | 0:00:08 | 0:00:11 | |
It's a monument to perhaps the most remarkable period | 0:00:14 | 0:00:17 | |
in the history of animal science. | 0:00:17 | 0:00:19 | |
In the 1960s, a group of researchers came here to study dolphins. | 0:00:22 | 0:00:28 | |
Dolphins have been here 65 million years. | 0:00:28 | 0:00:31 | |
We're just getting out of the trees. They know more than we do. | 0:00:31 | 0:00:35 | |
Inspired by new discoveries about the animal mind, | 0:00:35 | 0:00:38 | |
the researchers believed they could, for the first time, | 0:00:38 | 0:00:42 | |
communicate with another species, by teaching dolphins to speak. | 0:00:42 | 0:00:46 | |
Why not? | 0:00:46 | 0:00:48 | |
That's what I kept saying. | 0:00:49 | 0:00:50 | |
Let's do this. | 0:00:50 | 0:00:52 | |
-Hello. -Ah-oh. | 0:00:52 | 0:00:55 | |
Speak English only, Peter. | 0:00:55 | 0:00:58 | |
Their work had extraordinary ambition. | 0:00:58 | 0:01:01 | |
Scientists believed if they could talk to dolphins, | 0:01:01 | 0:01:04 | |
they could even talk to extra-terrestrials. | 0:01:04 | 0:01:07 | |
Are we alone in the universe? | 0:01:07 | 0:01:10 | |
Are there other creatures out there that we might get to know? | 0:01:10 | 0:01:14 | |
It wasn't science fiction. | 0:01:15 | 0:01:17 | |
It was... "Wow, this is where we're going." | 0:01:17 | 0:01:20 | |
But what started with '60s idealism | 0:01:23 | 0:01:26 | |
would spiral into the darkness of the decade, | 0:01:26 | 0:01:29 | |
and end in tragedy. | 0:01:29 | 0:01:30 | |
"The worst experiment in the world," | 0:01:32 | 0:01:34 | |
I've read somewhere, was me and Peter. | 0:01:34 | 0:01:37 | |
Until now, | 0:01:37 | 0:01:39 | |
those involved have never spoken publicly about the experiment. | 0:01:39 | 0:01:43 | |
But 50 years on, they've broken their silence | 0:01:43 | 0:01:47 | |
to reveal just what happened within these walls. | 0:01:47 | 0:01:50 | |
This programme contains some scenes which some viewers may find upsetting | 0:01:50 | 0:01:57 | |
Communication is what defines us as humans. | 0:02:09 | 0:02:13 | |
We're a social species, which wants to talk to others, | 0:02:13 | 0:02:17 | |
and not just other people. | 0:02:17 | 0:02:20 | |
It's long been a human dream to be able to talk to the animals. | 0:02:25 | 0:02:30 | |
Do this, Vicky. | 0:02:30 | 0:02:32 | |
THEY BLOW AIR | 0:02:32 | 0:02:36 | |
Early experiments in the 20th century involved | 0:02:36 | 0:02:39 | |
trying to teach the great apes sign language, | 0:02:39 | 0:02:42 | |
and even how to speak English. | 0:02:42 | 0:02:44 | |
Another sound resembles the letter K. | 0:02:44 | 0:02:47 | |
Vicky. Sit up, girl. Come on. Do this. | 0:02:47 | 0:02:52 | |
THEY MAKE SOUNDS | 0:02:52 | 0:02:54 | |
Vicky has to hold her hand over her nose. | 0:02:54 | 0:02:56 | |
But by the end of the 1950s, there had been no real progress | 0:02:56 | 0:03:01 | |
and serious scientific attempts to talk to the animals | 0:03:01 | 0:03:05 | |
ground to a halt. | 0:03:05 | 0:03:06 | |
There was one person, however, who hadn't given up. | 0:03:09 | 0:03:13 | |
His name was John Lilly. | 0:03:13 | 0:03:16 | |
John Lilly was a scientist, a visionary | 0:03:16 | 0:03:21 | |
and, uh, maybe above all, an explorer. | 0:03:21 | 0:03:26 | |
Explorer of the brain, the mind. | 0:03:28 | 0:03:31 | |
Lilly's a fascinating character. | 0:03:33 | 0:03:35 | |
He was a super smart, | 0:03:35 | 0:03:38 | |
physics-oriented, Caltech grad, | 0:03:38 | 0:03:41 | |
who during the Second World War, | 0:03:41 | 0:03:44 | |
ends up working in an aviation physiology laboratory, | 0:03:44 | 0:03:49 | |
doing experimental work on American pilots, monitoring data | 0:03:49 | 0:03:53 | |
about heart rates and respiration. | 0:03:53 | 0:03:57 | |
And then subsequently, as his research life develops, | 0:03:57 | 0:04:01 | |
increasingly interested in animals. | 0:04:01 | 0:04:04 | |
By the late '50s, Lilly was a respected brain-scientist | 0:04:06 | 0:04:09 | |
working for the American National Institute Of Mental Health. | 0:04:09 | 0:04:13 | |
If one believes that they not only | 0:04:13 | 0:04:15 | |
have the brain to learn it, but the ears... | 0:04:15 | 0:04:17 | |
His area of expertise was what brains of animals | 0:04:17 | 0:04:20 | |
could tell us about our own. | 0:04:20 | 0:04:23 | |
His wife, Mary, worked with him. | 0:04:23 | 0:04:25 | |
He was always interested in brains. | 0:04:26 | 0:04:29 | |
And he would find out what areas of the brains did what, | 0:04:29 | 0:04:34 | |
that sort of thing. | 0:04:34 | 0:04:36 | |
But it's easier to work on other species than humans. | 0:04:36 | 0:04:41 | |
And there was one species whose brain fascinated Lilly | 0:04:41 | 0:04:44 | |
above all others... | 0:04:44 | 0:04:46 | |
..an animal which human beings believed was one of the cleverest | 0:04:47 | 0:04:50 | |
and most ancient creatures on Earth - | 0:04:50 | 0:04:53 | |
the bottlenose dolphin, also often called the porpoise. | 0:04:53 | 0:04:57 | |
So, they've been here, you know, 25 million years. | 0:04:57 | 0:05:00 | |
We haven't been here that long. | 0:05:00 | 0:05:02 | |
We've only been here with our present brain size | 0:05:02 | 0:05:04 | |
about two tenths of a million years. | 0:05:04 | 0:05:07 | |
This is a big brain. | 0:05:07 | 0:05:08 | |
This is a bigger brain than we're accustomed to working on. | 0:05:08 | 0:05:11 | |
In fact, it's a bigger brain than a human brain! | 0:05:11 | 0:05:14 | |
Lilly needed access to the dolphins' super-sized brains. | 0:05:14 | 0:05:18 | |
And he found it in Florida. | 0:05:18 | 0:05:21 | |
Leaping three feet out of the water | 0:05:21 | 0:05:23 | |
and through a hoop is only one of the accomplishments of Flippy, | 0:05:23 | 0:05:26 | |
the pride of the studios at Marine Land Florida. | 0:05:26 | 0:05:29 | |
Flippy gets a big kick out of demonstrating his high IQ. | 0:05:29 | 0:05:33 | |
Marine Studios in Florida | 0:05:33 | 0:05:35 | |
is one of the first institutions in the post-war period to keep | 0:05:35 | 0:05:39 | |
a bottlenose dolphin in captivity. | 0:05:39 | 0:05:42 | |
Lilly makes his way down there in order to have access to | 0:05:42 | 0:05:45 | |
some of these animals for experimental purposes. | 0:05:45 | 0:05:48 | |
Lilly began doing brain experiments on the dolphins | 0:05:50 | 0:05:53 | |
and recording their reactions. | 0:05:53 | 0:05:55 | |
One day, in 1957, this research triggered a behaviour that | 0:05:57 | 0:06:01 | |
would change the course of his life. | 0:06:01 | 0:06:04 | |
The first to spot it was Mary. | 0:06:04 | 0:06:06 | |
Whilst John and his team were working nearby, | 0:06:06 | 0:06:09 | |
she noticed something they'd missed. | 0:06:09 | 0:06:11 | |
I came in. | 0:06:11 | 0:06:13 | |
I heard John talking and the porpoise would go | 0:06:13 | 0:06:17 | |
"Awawawawawa," like John. | 0:06:17 | 0:06:20 | |
Chee-chee. Chee-chee. More, more. Fish. | 0:06:20 | 0:06:23 | |
And then I realised it was hearing their voices and imitating them. | 0:06:25 | 0:06:31 | |
And I went down to where they were operating | 0:06:31 | 0:06:36 | |
and told them that this was going on, and they were quite startled. | 0:06:36 | 0:06:41 | |
More, more fish. | 0:06:41 | 0:06:42 | |
DOLPHIN SQUEAKS | 0:06:42 | 0:06:45 | |
Lilly was convinced the dolphin was imitating the humans, | 0:06:45 | 0:06:49 | |
trying to speak to them. | 0:06:49 | 0:06:51 | |
If he was right, it would be one | 0:06:51 | 0:06:53 | |
of the greatest discoveries in the history of science. | 0:06:53 | 0:06:56 | |
For the rest of his career, Lilly would write about and talk about | 0:06:58 | 0:07:01 | |
that moment in 1957, where it all popped open for him. | 0:07:01 | 0:07:05 | |
He thinks that this indicates ambition on their part | 0:07:05 | 0:07:09 | |
to communicate with the beings around them that are human. | 0:07:09 | 0:07:13 | |
A breakthrough of not just scientific, but potentially | 0:07:13 | 0:07:17 | |
even world historic significance - | 0:07:17 | 0:07:20 | |
humans were being displaced from their position | 0:07:20 | 0:07:23 | |
atop the cosmos of intelligent creatures. | 0:07:23 | 0:07:27 | |
We were not alone. | 0:07:27 | 0:07:28 | |
DOLPHIN SQUEAKS | 0:07:29 | 0:07:33 | |
"And now... here's Jack." | 0:07:33 | 0:07:36 | |
Lilly believed his mimicking dolphins would revolutionise | 0:07:38 | 0:07:41 | |
the science of animal communication. | 0:07:41 | 0:07:44 | |
For the first time, here was another species which seemed to be | 0:07:44 | 0:07:48 | |
trying to make contact with us. | 0:07:48 | 0:07:50 | |
And in 1961, he published a book revealing his findings. | 0:07:50 | 0:07:54 | |
John, what was the prediction in your book that caused such comment? | 0:07:54 | 0:07:59 | |
I predicted that, within a decade or two, | 0:07:59 | 0:08:03 | |
the human species would establish communication | 0:08:03 | 0:08:06 | |
with another species. | 0:08:06 | 0:08:08 | |
This is a scientist. | 0:08:08 | 0:08:09 | |
This isn't some, you know, nut that I've brought out here! | 0:08:09 | 0:08:12 | |
-This man knows... He may be a little nutty, I don't know. -Thank you(!) | 0:08:12 | 0:08:16 | |
But he's a real, acknowledged scientist. | 0:08:16 | 0:08:18 | |
Now, roll this film and you're going to see some interesting things. | 0:08:18 | 0:08:21 | |
These are some of the sounds they make. | 0:08:21 | 0:08:23 | |
What in the main do you think dolphins talk among each other? | 0:08:23 | 0:08:26 | |
Oh. Food, sex and danger. | 0:08:26 | 0:08:29 | |
Sounds like Westport, Connecticut, to me, there. | 0:08:30 | 0:08:32 | |
That's it, forward. Come on. | 0:08:39 | 0:08:42 | |
Come on. | 0:08:42 | 0:08:43 | |
That's it. | 0:08:44 | 0:08:47 | |
Lilly's talking dolphins captured the public's imagination. | 0:08:47 | 0:08:51 | |
But for one group of people, his work had special significance. | 0:08:51 | 0:08:55 | |
'OK, it is in.' | 0:08:55 | 0:08:56 | |
'Ignition.' | 0:08:56 | 0:08:58 | |
'Blast off!' | 0:08:59 | 0:09:00 | |
In the early '60s, America was in the midst of a space-race... | 0:09:03 | 0:09:07 | |
..launching satellites and spacecraft to the Moon and planets. | 0:09:09 | 0:09:13 | |
'That's as far as we go for EDA. | 0:09:13 | 0:09:16 | |
'OK, they're free from EDA from here. Ready for decompression.' | 0:09:16 | 0:09:20 | |
And surprisingly, Lilly's ideas chimed with this new space age. | 0:09:20 | 0:09:25 | |
They'd caught the eye of a team of American astronomers | 0:09:25 | 0:09:28 | |
who were searching for extra-terrestrial life. | 0:09:28 | 0:09:31 | |
They were led by Frank Drake. | 0:09:31 | 0:09:33 | |
It was a very exciting book | 0:09:34 | 0:09:36 | |
because it had these new ideas - | 0:09:36 | 0:09:37 | |
particularly the idea that there could be creatures | 0:09:37 | 0:09:40 | |
as intelligent and sophisticated | 0:09:40 | 0:09:43 | |
in their thinking as us, | 0:09:43 | 0:09:45 | |
and yet living in a far different milieu. | 0:09:45 | 0:09:49 | |
Drake and his team were part of an official, government-funded | 0:09:51 | 0:09:55 | |
project to use radio telescopes to listen for signals from other | 0:09:55 | 0:09:59 | |
intelligent life in the galaxy. | 0:09:59 | 0:10:01 | |
For them, Lilly's work was potentially groundbreaking. | 0:10:02 | 0:10:06 | |
The possible intelligence of dolphins was of special interest to me | 0:10:06 | 0:10:11 | |
and the others who were interested in extraterrestrial intelligent life | 0:10:11 | 0:10:15 | |
because we wanted to understand as much as we could about | 0:10:15 | 0:10:19 | |
what the challenges were going to be in communicating | 0:10:19 | 0:10:21 | |
with other intelligent species. | 0:10:21 | 0:10:24 | |
There might be other civilisations in space attempting to send us | 0:10:25 | 0:10:28 | |
messages. | 0:10:28 | 0:10:29 | |
The detection of extraterrestrial signals | 0:10:29 | 0:10:31 | |
are going to be one of the most exciting things | 0:10:31 | 0:10:34 | |
that ever happened. | 0:10:34 | 0:10:36 | |
Here was perhaps an example of another intelligent species, | 0:10:36 | 0:10:41 | |
very different from us - | 0:10:41 | 0:10:43 | |
its vocal system was very different, its means of communicating | 0:10:43 | 0:10:46 | |
any information was different. | 0:10:46 | 0:10:49 | |
It would tell us what was important, | 0:10:49 | 0:10:51 | |
what we should specialise in, | 0:10:51 | 0:10:53 | |
what we should learn as much as we can about | 0:10:53 | 0:10:56 | |
if we were to understand extraterrestrial intelligent life. | 0:10:56 | 0:11:00 | |
'Four, three, two... | 0:11:00 | 0:11:02 | |
'All engines ready.' | 0:11:02 | 0:11:04 | |
Lilly realised the astronomers' interest opened up an opportunity. | 0:11:06 | 0:11:10 | |
America's space programme was extremely well-funded through NASA. | 0:11:10 | 0:11:15 | |
Here was his chance to get funding for a whole new phase of research. | 0:11:15 | 0:11:20 | |
Lilly brilliantly pitches the space administration | 0:11:20 | 0:11:26 | |
on the idea that they need | 0:11:26 | 0:11:29 | |
a model organism | 0:11:29 | 0:11:31 | |
upon which to experiment | 0:11:31 | 0:11:33 | |
for the prospect of an encounter with aliens. | 0:11:33 | 0:11:37 | |
NASA backed Lilly with many thousands of dollars. | 0:11:39 | 0:11:42 | |
And with financial support from other government agencies | 0:11:42 | 0:11:45 | |
like the US Navy, | 0:11:45 | 0:11:47 | |
he commissioned the lab of his dreams. | 0:11:47 | 0:11:49 | |
At St Thomas in the Virgin Islands, stands a unique laboratory... | 0:11:49 | 0:11:53 | |
In 1961, Lilly built a white, modern villa right on the shore | 0:11:53 | 0:11:57 | |
of St Thomas', one of the American Virgin Islands in the Caribbean. | 0:11:57 | 0:12:02 | |
This was the Dolphin House. | 0:12:02 | 0:12:05 | |
Here, a thousand miles from the American mainland, | 0:12:05 | 0:12:08 | |
he would now focus on research into human communication with dolphins. | 0:12:08 | 0:12:13 | |
Lilly had discovered that dolphins become quickly responsive | 0:12:13 | 0:12:16 | |
to human companions. | 0:12:16 | 0:12:18 | |
In daily playtime, they develop intense friendships, | 0:12:18 | 0:12:20 | |
often prefer people to other dolphins... | 0:12:20 | 0:12:23 | |
But Lilly would need a team to help him carry out the work. | 0:12:23 | 0:12:26 | |
Lilly was charismatic, | 0:12:26 | 0:12:28 | |
and he attracted some brilliant and hardworking people. | 0:12:28 | 0:12:32 | |
He recruits a very significant figure - Gregory Bateson, | 0:12:32 | 0:12:37 | |
an anthropologist - who rounds out his team for thinking | 0:12:37 | 0:12:43 | |
big about these animals. | 0:12:43 | 0:12:45 | |
Gregory Bateson was an intellectual giant of his time. | 0:12:45 | 0:12:48 | |
He had explored subjects like linguistics | 0:12:48 | 0:12:51 | |
and human anthropology at Cambridge and Sydney Universities. | 0:12:51 | 0:12:55 | |
Now he was looking for an opportunity to study | 0:12:55 | 0:12:57 | |
animal behaviour. | 0:12:57 | 0:12:58 | |
I worked as an anthropologist. | 0:12:58 | 0:13:01 | |
I looked around and I was clear | 0:13:01 | 0:13:04 | |
I didn't want to live in a lab. | 0:13:04 | 0:13:06 | |
Gregory had been doing | 0:13:06 | 0:13:08 | |
behavioural work - not only with humans but with | 0:13:08 | 0:13:13 | |
otters. And we had in our house 17 octopuses. | 0:13:13 | 0:13:19 | |
And we were studying their personal relationships. | 0:13:21 | 0:13:24 | |
Which was interesting. | 0:13:24 | 0:13:26 | |
Bateson's area of interest wasn't humans communicating with | 0:13:26 | 0:13:29 | |
animals, but rather how animals communicated with each other. | 0:13:29 | 0:13:33 | |
But in 1963, he was persuaded by Lilly to move his family out | 0:13:35 | 0:13:39 | |
to St Thomas' - including his 11-year-old stepson. | 0:13:39 | 0:13:43 | |
My Dad was much more interested in | 0:13:43 | 0:13:45 | |
the interaction between the dolphins. | 0:13:45 | 0:13:47 | |
Looking at the posture of pectoral fins - I mean, | 0:13:47 | 0:13:50 | |
does this mean something? Or the...uh, the alignment | 0:13:50 | 0:13:54 | |
of two animals swimming together, | 0:13:54 | 0:13:55 | |
is this sexual or is this just friendship | 0:13:55 | 0:13:58 | |
or is this just waiting to be fed? | 0:13:58 | 0:14:00 | |
The house was built over a single outdoor pool | 0:14:04 | 0:14:06 | |
where the dolphins would live. | 0:14:06 | 0:14:08 | |
Linked to the sea, it was cleaned by the tide. | 0:14:08 | 0:14:12 | |
Lilly's new lab offered the best conditions | 0:14:13 | 0:14:16 | |
possible for the animals in captivity. | 0:14:16 | 0:14:19 | |
And a window would allow Bateson to observe the creatures underwater. | 0:14:19 | 0:14:23 | |
I actually thought it was fantastic. | 0:14:24 | 0:14:26 | |
I mean, the water was absolutely crystal. That was neat. | 0:14:26 | 0:14:30 | |
I mean, it was just... It was all new. It was exotic. | 0:14:30 | 0:14:34 | |
That's the best word I can say for it. | 0:14:34 | 0:14:36 | |
The island's vet was also enlisted to ensure | 0:14:39 | 0:14:41 | |
the wellbeing of Lilly's dolphins. | 0:14:41 | 0:14:43 | |
Dr Lilly called me. | 0:14:45 | 0:14:48 | |
And he put me through an interview. | 0:14:48 | 0:14:51 | |
His concern was the health of his animals. | 0:14:51 | 0:14:55 | |
He wanted to be sure that I could relate | 0:14:55 | 0:14:59 | |
to the dolphins by putting me in the water with them. | 0:14:59 | 0:15:03 | |
And then, early in 1964, the lab had a visitor. | 0:15:06 | 0:15:11 | |
Margaret Howe was an attractive, 22-year-old college dropout | 0:15:11 | 0:15:15 | |
who had come to St Thomas' in search of adventure. | 0:15:15 | 0:15:18 | |
She'd heard rumours about a strange house at the end of the island | 0:15:18 | 0:15:22 | |
which had dolphins. | 0:15:22 | 0:15:24 | |
I was curious and I drove out and found signs saying, "Keep Out." | 0:15:24 | 0:15:31 | |
It was pretty isolated. | 0:15:31 | 0:15:33 | |
And I said, "Well, I heard you had dolphins here and I thought I'd come | 0:15:33 | 0:15:38 | |
"and see if there's anything I can do or if there's any way I could help." | 0:15:38 | 0:15:42 | |
Gregory Bateson sat me at the top of this spiral staircase, | 0:15:42 | 0:15:46 | |
where you could just look down and he said, "Just sit here | 0:15:46 | 0:15:49 | |
"and write what you think is happening, what you see." | 0:15:49 | 0:15:54 | |
You begin to think... | 0:15:54 | 0:15:56 | |
There's things going on other than just the prettiness of it all. | 0:15:56 | 0:16:00 | |
One of them is in front. One is in the back. | 0:16:00 | 0:16:03 | |
One is above. One is below. | 0:16:03 | 0:16:05 | |
One jumped. The other one went ahead. | 0:16:05 | 0:16:07 | |
And after an hour, I figured that out and started writing that. | 0:16:07 | 0:16:11 | |
Gregory Bateson said, "I like the way you wrote that. | 0:16:12 | 0:16:16 | |
"You think well on your feet." | 0:16:16 | 0:16:18 | |
He said, "You're able to see things. | 0:16:18 | 0:16:21 | |
"You can come here any time you want. | 0:16:21 | 0:16:23 | |
"We can't pay you, but you can come here. | 0:16:23 | 0:16:25 | |
"Would you like to do that?" | 0:16:25 | 0:16:27 | |
"Yes," I said. | 0:16:27 | 0:16:29 | |
"Yes, thank you! I will come back here any time." | 0:16:29 | 0:16:31 | |
So I did. | 0:16:31 | 0:16:32 | |
Margaret Howe rounded off Lilly's human team. | 0:16:35 | 0:16:39 | |
But it was the dolphins that everyone was there to study. | 0:16:39 | 0:16:43 | |
Lilly brought them from Marine Studios in Miami. | 0:16:43 | 0:16:46 | |
Before coming to the Virgin Islands, they'd also been used in filming | 0:16:46 | 0:16:49 | |
the movie Flipper. | 0:16:49 | 0:16:51 | |
There were three animals at the VI lab. | 0:16:51 | 0:16:54 | |
Peter, Pamela and Sissy. | 0:16:54 | 0:16:57 | |
Sissy was the biggest one. | 0:16:57 | 0:16:58 | |
She was pushy, loud. | 0:17:00 | 0:17:03 | |
Sort of ran the show. | 0:17:03 | 0:17:05 | |
So I had... Most of my relationship was with Sissy. | 0:17:08 | 0:17:12 | |
Very social. | 0:17:13 | 0:17:15 | |
Pam, she wouldn't come near anybody. | 0:17:17 | 0:17:19 | |
It took a full year before I was able to get close enough to her | 0:17:19 | 0:17:24 | |
to stroke her. | 0:17:24 | 0:17:25 | |
You are drawn to an animal who is shy and a little fearful. | 0:17:27 | 0:17:32 | |
It makes you feel good when they will come | 0:17:32 | 0:17:34 | |
and you can help them over that. | 0:17:34 | 0:17:36 | |
And that was Pamela. | 0:17:36 | 0:17:37 | |
And then there was one male dolphin. | 0:17:40 | 0:17:42 | |
Peter was an immature male. I don't think he was fully mature. | 0:17:44 | 0:17:49 | |
He was different. | 0:17:49 | 0:17:50 | |
He was definitely a young guy. | 0:17:51 | 0:17:54 | |
Sexually coming of age, I'm sure, and | 0:17:54 | 0:17:56 | |
liked Sissy. And Sissy was always having to... Bip! | 0:17:56 | 0:18:01 | |
She'd... Bip! Flip him off like that. | 0:18:01 | 0:18:04 | |
And that's who they were. | 0:18:05 | 0:18:07 | |
By February, 1964, the lab was in full operation. | 0:18:10 | 0:18:14 | |
Lilly was often away travelling, publicising his work or | 0:18:14 | 0:18:18 | |
raising funds, so left much of the research to the others. | 0:18:18 | 0:18:22 | |
He charged Margaret with picking up the mimicry work | 0:18:22 | 0:18:25 | |
where he'd left off. | 0:18:25 | 0:18:27 | |
It was her job to encourage the dolphins to copy the specific | 0:18:27 | 0:18:30 | |
sounds of human speech. | 0:18:30 | 0:18:32 | |
They can click and squeak and whistle | 0:18:34 | 0:18:37 | |
and do all the dolphin noises, and there are many. | 0:18:37 | 0:18:39 | |
But this human-like sound, humanoid they call it, not underwater, | 0:18:39 | 0:18:44 | |
in the air, and through the blowhole. | 0:18:44 | 0:18:47 | |
The blow hole, where they force air out of the lungs, | 0:18:47 | 0:18:51 | |
and the lips on the blow hole, actually open and closing, | 0:18:51 | 0:18:55 | |
and they can talk that way, if you want to call it talking. | 0:18:55 | 0:19:00 | |
Margaret began to focus on one of the dolphins in particular - | 0:19:00 | 0:19:04 | |
the male. | 0:19:04 | 0:19:05 | |
I really chose to work with Peter | 0:19:05 | 0:19:07 | |
because he'd not had any human-like sound training. | 0:19:07 | 0:19:13 | |
The other two had. | 0:19:13 | 0:19:14 | |
My first goal was to get him to listen while I speak. | 0:19:14 | 0:19:18 | |
And then I would listen while he speaks and we would set up this | 0:19:18 | 0:19:23 | |
conversation-type thing where we could make some sort of progress. | 0:19:23 | 0:19:27 | |
Today is January 27th. The time is 09.00 hours. | 0:19:33 | 0:19:38 | |
PETER CLICKS | 0:19:38 | 0:19:41 | |
Much of the work in the Dolphin House was captured on tape, | 0:19:41 | 0:19:44 | |
and these are the real sound recordings of Margaret's lessons. | 0:19:44 | 0:19:48 | |
A, E, I, O. | 0:19:48 | 0:19:52 | |
PETER SQUEAKS | 0:19:54 | 0:19:59 | |
But from the start, Peter was a reluctant pupil. | 0:20:02 | 0:20:06 | |
Speak for fish. | 0:20:07 | 0:20:11 | |
Don't squirt. | 0:20:13 | 0:20:15 | |
He would listen to me. | 0:20:15 | 0:20:16 | |
And I would say, "No, no, no, no, Peter. | 0:20:17 | 0:20:21 | |
"What I want you to do is count to three. | 0:20:21 | 0:20:23 | |
"You're going to say one, two, three," | 0:20:23 | 0:20:28 | |
and Peter wouldn't repeat everything I told him, | 0:20:28 | 0:20:31 | |
he would work on the "eh, oh, eeyr..." | 0:20:31 | 0:20:35 | |
HE SQUEAKS | 0:20:35 | 0:20:39 | |
Listen. One, two, three. | 0:20:39 | 0:20:42 | |
HE WARBLES | 0:20:42 | 0:20:45 | |
You can do better, Peter. | 0:20:45 | 0:20:48 | |
Yeah, we had a few disagreements on things. | 0:20:48 | 0:20:51 | |
He could slap his tail. | 0:20:51 | 0:20:54 | |
You know when a dolphin is annoyed. | 0:20:54 | 0:20:56 | |
"One, two, three, I've already done that. I..." | 0:20:57 | 0:21:00 | |
"One, two, three, I told you I've... | 0:21:00 | 0:21:01 | |
"I'm going to do it one more time. One, two, three, and now that's it." | 0:21:01 | 0:21:04 | |
And he'd disappear. | 0:21:04 | 0:21:06 | |
HE SQUEAKS LOUDLY | 0:21:06 | 0:21:10 | |
The mimicry work seemed to have stalled. | 0:21:16 | 0:21:18 | |
But then Margaret had an idea. | 0:21:18 | 0:21:20 | |
It was very ambitious. | 0:21:20 | 0:21:23 | |
Every night we would all get in our cars and pull the garage door down | 0:21:23 | 0:21:28 | |
and click it and everybody would drive away. | 0:21:28 | 0:21:31 | |
And I thought, "Well, there's this big brain, | 0:21:31 | 0:21:34 | |
"three big brains floating around all night. | 0:21:34 | 0:21:36 | |
"What's really going on?" | 0:21:36 | 0:21:40 | |
And it amazed me that everyone kept leaving. | 0:21:40 | 0:21:43 | |
And I said, "That's craziness." | 0:21:43 | 0:21:45 | |
I said, "I will stay and I will do this." | 0:21:45 | 0:21:48 | |
And Lilly said, "What's that?" | 0:21:48 | 0:21:50 | |
I said, "I want to plaster everything | 0:21:50 | 0:21:52 | |
"and fill this place with water. | 0:21:52 | 0:21:55 | |
"I want to live here with Peter." | 0:21:55 | 0:21:59 | |
And Lilly got very excited. | 0:22:02 | 0:22:05 | |
And he went for it. | 0:22:05 | 0:22:06 | |
Margaret drew up radical plans for the house. | 0:22:15 | 0:22:18 | |
She began completely redesigning the layout of the upstairs rooms, | 0:22:18 | 0:22:23 | |
altering their shape | 0:22:23 | 0:22:25 | |
and making them waterproof. | 0:22:25 | 0:22:27 | |
The building had not been built to flood. | 0:22:27 | 0:22:30 | |
And we're gonna flood the place comfortably - knee deep, | 0:22:30 | 0:22:33 | |
a little bit deeper. | 0:22:33 | 0:22:35 | |
I didn't want to just be indoors for so long, so the balcony as well. | 0:22:35 | 0:22:39 | |
We flooded it and it kept leaking, so we had to drain it all | 0:22:43 | 0:22:47 | |
and plaster it up again. It took a while. | 0:22:47 | 0:22:49 | |
They had a giant elevator. | 0:22:55 | 0:22:57 | |
You'd get the animal on the elevator with a sling under it. | 0:22:57 | 0:23:02 | |
That's how the animal got up and down. | 0:23:02 | 0:23:05 | |
Margaret had created a domestic dolphinarium, | 0:23:06 | 0:23:10 | |
where she and Peter could live together | 0:23:10 | 0:23:13 | |
in a semi-aquatic environment. | 0:23:13 | 0:23:16 | |
I had a desk hanging from the ceiling, a telephone, | 0:23:16 | 0:23:20 | |
and a little stove I could make tea. | 0:23:20 | 0:23:22 | |
I was on a foam cushion and Peter would sleep next to me, | 0:23:24 | 0:23:30 | |
and he would sleep as long as I did. | 0:23:30 | 0:23:33 | |
And I lived there day and night. | 0:23:33 | 0:23:36 | |
And it was perfect. | 0:23:36 | 0:23:39 | |
And so, Margaret's extraordinary experiment began. | 0:23:39 | 0:23:43 | |
Over the coming months, she would live with Peter | 0:23:43 | 0:23:45 | |
in the Dolphin House almost full-time. | 0:23:45 | 0:23:49 | |
Margaret would immerse him completely in her world | 0:23:49 | 0:23:52 | |
to try to teach him English, like a mother teaching a child to speak. | 0:23:52 | 0:23:57 | |
One, two, three, four. | 0:24:00 | 0:24:03 | |
These are the audio recordings she made. | 0:24:03 | 0:24:06 | |
Today is... | 0:24:06 | 0:24:07 | |
HE SQUEAKS August 18th. | 0:24:07 | 0:24:10 | |
This is the morning lesson with Peter. | 0:24:10 | 0:24:13 | |
Hello. | 0:24:14 | 0:24:15 | |
HE WARBLES | 0:24:15 | 0:24:18 | |
No. Hello. | 0:24:18 | 0:24:19 | |
HE WARBLES | 0:24:19 | 0:24:23 | |
Clearly, Peter. | 0:24:23 | 0:24:24 | |
HE WARBLES PARTLY UNDERWATER | 0:24:24 | 0:24:27 | |
What's all the bluh-bluh-bluh-bluh? Come on! | 0:24:27 | 0:24:30 | |
I didn't talk to Peter the way I talk to you. | 0:24:30 | 0:24:33 | |
I... | 0:24:33 | 0:24:35 | |
I spoke in single words usually | 0:24:35 | 0:24:37 | |
and made inflection, something that he could follow. | 0:24:37 | 0:24:41 | |
That they were very good at. | 0:24:41 | 0:24:42 | |
The enunciation was not good. | 0:24:42 | 0:24:45 | |
But if I said, "One, two, THREE." | 0:24:45 | 0:24:50 | |
I...I wouldn't get one, two, three, | 0:24:50 | 0:24:52 | |
but I would get, "Wah, urwah, REHR." | 0:24:52 | 0:24:58 | |
One, two, THREE. | 0:24:58 | 0:25:00 | |
Ehr, ehr, ehr. | 0:25:00 | 0:25:02 | |
Good boy. | 0:25:02 | 0:25:03 | |
Hard as Peter tried, | 0:25:05 | 0:25:07 | |
there were still some anatomical restrictions | 0:25:07 | 0:25:10 | |
that limited his speech. | 0:25:10 | 0:25:12 | |
"M" is very difficult. | 0:25:12 | 0:25:14 | |
My name, you know, "Hello, Margaret," I worked on. | 0:25:14 | 0:25:18 | |
And M is just impossible, | 0:25:18 | 0:25:21 | |
but he eventually rolled over so that it kind of... "Bwah..." | 0:25:21 | 0:25:26 | |
He would bubble it into the water. | 0:25:26 | 0:25:28 | |
Mmmm... | 0:25:28 | 0:25:32 | |
Margaret. | 0:25:32 | 0:25:34 | |
Ahee-aaheeee. | 0:25:34 | 0:25:37 | |
Oh, he just couldn't get it right! | 0:25:37 | 0:25:38 | |
And he just would try and he would try. God! | 0:25:38 | 0:25:41 | |
To help with Peter's pronunciation, | 0:25:43 | 0:25:45 | |
Margaret wanted to draw his attention to the movement | 0:25:45 | 0:25:47 | |
of her mouth and lips. | 0:25:47 | 0:25:49 | |
His blowhole and my mouth | 0:25:51 | 0:25:55 | |
sort of were trying to do the same thing, | 0:25:55 | 0:25:58 | |
I actually put a white make-up - | 0:25:58 | 0:26:01 | |
thick white and black around my mouth - | 0:26:01 | 0:26:06 | |
so that when I was talking to him | 0:26:06 | 0:26:09 | |
or teaching a word, | 0:26:09 | 0:26:12 | |
he could really see my blowhole, as it were, | 0:26:12 | 0:26:15 | |
and I would... | 0:26:15 | 0:26:18 | |
really use my mouth, with this make-up on it, | 0:26:18 | 0:26:20 | |
and his eye was in air looking at my mouth, | 0:26:20 | 0:26:23 | |
I mean, no question about it. He wanted to know, | 0:26:23 | 0:26:26 | |
"Where is that noise coming from? What is that sound?" | 0:26:26 | 0:26:30 | |
Fish in buck-et. | 0:26:30 | 0:26:32 | |
HE SQUEAKS | 0:26:32 | 0:26:36 | |
During his visits back to the Dolphin House, | 0:26:36 | 0:26:38 | |
Lilly was delighted by Margaret's progress. | 0:26:38 | 0:26:42 | |
I feel armed with a kind of knowledge... | 0:26:42 | 0:26:46 | |
..that we could never have obtained... | 0:26:47 | 0:26:50 | |
..except through these experiments. | 0:26:51 | 0:26:55 | |
This must be supported | 0:26:55 | 0:26:58 | |
and enthusiastically encouraged. | 0:26:58 | 0:27:00 | |
He was very enthusiastic about it. We were very together. | 0:27:02 | 0:27:05 | |
I felt very supported and encouraged to do more. | 0:27:05 | 0:27:10 | |
But not everyone was as enthusiastic about Margaret's experiments. | 0:27:10 | 0:27:15 | |
Whilst the Batesons were happy to swim with the dolphins, | 0:27:15 | 0:27:18 | |
they weren't keen to teach them English. | 0:27:18 | 0:27:20 | |
Lois' husband, Gregory, doubted its scientific merit. | 0:27:20 | 0:27:24 | |
He felt his research on dolphin-to-dolphin communication | 0:27:24 | 0:27:27 | |
in the sea pool downstairs was of more value | 0:27:27 | 0:27:30 | |
than Margaret's work with Peter. | 0:27:30 | 0:27:32 | |
We liked Margaret. | 0:27:32 | 0:27:34 | |
She was certainly trying to see | 0:27:34 | 0:27:36 | |
if they could be trained to speak English | 0:27:36 | 0:27:40 | |
SHE CHUCKLES | 0:27:40 | 0:27:42 | |
Which was an ambitious plan. | 0:27:42 | 0:27:44 | |
It was interesting, but, you know, it wasn't... | 0:27:44 | 0:27:47 | |
It wasn't our cup of tea. | 0:27:47 | 0:27:49 | |
Despite the Bateson's doubts, Margaret persevered. | 0:27:50 | 0:27:53 | |
She began using Peter's curiosity and playfulness to keep him | 0:27:53 | 0:27:57 | |
interested in the lessons. | 0:27:57 | 0:27:58 | |
Whatever I brought to him, | 0:27:58 | 0:28:00 | |
whether it was me or an object | 0:28:00 | 0:28:04 | |
or just my time or my voice, | 0:28:04 | 0:28:06 | |
he was interested in that. | 0:28:06 | 0:28:09 | |
Uh, and that's very appealing. | 0:28:09 | 0:28:11 | |
Whether it was a ball or a toy or a square shape or whatever | 0:28:11 | 0:28:17 | |
I was interested in, he would have to turn to that. | 0:28:17 | 0:28:21 | |
And he did. | 0:28:21 | 0:28:23 | |
He loved to look at different shapes and... | 0:28:23 | 0:28:26 | |
and different sets of things and little toys. | 0:28:26 | 0:28:29 | |
Let's go through all our toys, Peter. | 0:28:29 | 0:28:32 | |
-Ball. -Baaah-ba. | 0:28:32 | 0:28:35 | |
Good. | 0:28:35 | 0:28:37 | |
Oblong. | 0:28:37 | 0:28:38 | |
-Ah-aaaaah. -Good! | 0:28:38 | 0:28:41 | |
Triangle. | 0:28:41 | 0:28:43 | |
Ah-ah-ah. | 0:28:43 | 0:28:45 | |
Oh, nice, Peter! Beautiful! | 0:28:45 | 0:28:49 | |
We just hit it off. We had that connection. | 0:28:49 | 0:28:52 | |
We were a team and it...it just worked. | 0:28:54 | 0:28:58 | |
SATELLITE SOUNDS | 0:28:58 | 0:29:00 | |
Margaret's progress with Peter also intrigued the astronomers. | 0:29:00 | 0:29:04 | |
They wanted to know whether the experiment to talk to another | 0:29:07 | 0:29:10 | |
species was producing results. | 0:29:10 | 0:29:12 | |
In the summer of 1965, they dispatched the famous | 0:29:16 | 0:29:20 | |
astronomer, Carl Sagan. | 0:29:20 | 0:29:21 | |
It's possible, | 0:29:23 | 0:29:24 | |
but by no means certain that life on many of these planets | 0:29:24 | 0:29:27 | |
evolves into beings | 0:29:27 | 0:29:29 | |
which are as advanced as we, or more advanced. | 0:29:29 | 0:29:33 | |
Carl, I think, was into anything that had anything to do with | 0:29:33 | 0:29:36 | |
trying to speak to anything alien. | 0:29:36 | 0:29:40 | |
Dolphins, they're another species, in a different environment | 0:29:42 | 0:29:45 | |
and in that regard, I think, the space people were interested. | 0:29:45 | 0:29:50 | |
-Hello. -Ah-oh. | 0:29:51 | 0:29:53 | |
Oh! I like it, I like it, I like it, Peter! | 0:29:53 | 0:29:57 | |
Good boy. | 0:29:57 | 0:29:58 | |
It was clear to Sagan | 0:29:59 | 0:30:01 | |
and the astronomers that despite Margaret's progress, | 0:30:01 | 0:30:04 | |
Peter was a long way from being able to understand and use English. | 0:30:04 | 0:30:07 | |
So instead of teaching the dolphins a human language, | 0:30:09 | 0:30:12 | |
like the Batesons, they suggested Lilly try to find out | 0:30:12 | 0:30:16 | |
how dolphins communicate with each other. | 0:30:16 | 0:30:18 | |
A prime experiment we suggested to him | 0:30:18 | 0:30:20 | |
was to reveal just how complicated a message | 0:30:20 | 0:30:24 | |
one dolphin could communicate with another dolphin. | 0:30:24 | 0:30:27 | |
And so we would suggest to have two dolphins, | 0:30:27 | 0:30:30 | |
one in each tank of water, separately, | 0:30:30 | 0:30:33 | |
not able to see each other, | 0:30:33 | 0:30:35 | |
but to be able to hear any phonations - one to the other - | 0:30:35 | 0:30:39 | |
and that he should teach one dolphin | 0:30:39 | 0:30:42 | |
some procedure by which it could | 0:30:42 | 0:30:46 | |
obtain food | 0:30:46 | 0:30:48 | |
and then see if it could tell the other dolphin | 0:30:48 | 0:30:51 | |
how to do the same thing in its tank. | 0:30:51 | 0:30:53 | |
This was a prime experiment to be done, | 0:30:53 | 0:30:56 | |
but he was never able to do it. | 0:30:56 | 0:30:58 | |
Ball. | 0:30:58 | 0:30:59 | |
Instead, Lilly instructed Margaret to continue her lessons with Peter. | 0:30:59 | 0:31:04 | |
Ball. | 0:31:04 | 0:31:06 | |
Ball. | 0:31:06 | 0:31:08 | |
Ball. | 0:31:08 | 0:31:10 | |
-Eh-ho. -No. | 0:31:10 | 0:31:13 | |
Ball. | 0:31:13 | 0:31:14 | |
-Ahll. -That's it! Yes! | 0:31:14 | 0:31:18 | |
Now you're getting there. | 0:31:18 | 0:31:20 | |
His vocalisation got better. | 0:31:20 | 0:31:22 | |
It was never clear, uh, | 0:31:22 | 0:31:26 | |
but it had control and it had tone | 0:31:26 | 0:31:29 | |
and it had space between the words. | 0:31:29 | 0:31:32 | |
The effort was there and that's what impressed me. | 0:31:32 | 0:31:34 | |
Ahll. | 0:31:34 | 0:31:35 | |
SHE CLAPS You're a good boy, yes, you are! | 0:31:35 | 0:31:40 | |
Thank you, Peter. | 0:31:40 | 0:31:42 | |
Margaret's lessons with Peter upstairs in the flooded house | 0:31:43 | 0:31:47 | |
ran for six days a week. | 0:31:47 | 0:31:49 | |
But on their day off, | 0:31:49 | 0:31:50 | |
they would join the others downstairs in the sea pool for fun. | 0:31:50 | 0:31:54 | |
One day, Andy Williamson brought his dog, Suki, to the house, | 0:31:54 | 0:31:58 | |
an encounter they captured on film. | 0:31:58 | 0:32:00 | |
Suki came into The Dolphin House, | 0:32:02 | 0:32:04 | |
the door was open into the pool. | 0:32:04 | 0:32:07 | |
And she saw me in the water. | 0:32:09 | 0:32:10 | |
And next thing I knew, | 0:32:10 | 0:32:13 | |
she took a little flying leap right into the pool. | 0:32:13 | 0:32:16 | |
And Andy and I are just shocked! And we thought, "Oh, my God!" | 0:32:18 | 0:32:21 | |
Peter passed her a couple of times and rubbed against her. | 0:32:22 | 0:32:26 | |
And Suki went crazy. | 0:32:26 | 0:32:30 | |
She was quivering. Her little ears were going like this, | 0:32:30 | 0:32:33 | |
she was just... And Andy was holding her. | 0:32:33 | 0:32:35 | |
Peter came up and stuck his beak right up, | 0:32:38 | 0:32:41 | |
made a couple of squeaks or clicking sounds. | 0:32:41 | 0:32:46 | |
And Suki went off Andy's shoulder. | 0:32:46 | 0:32:50 | |
Dachshunds, the way they are built with short little legs, | 0:32:50 | 0:32:53 | |
I mean, she kind of sank a bit. | 0:32:53 | 0:32:55 | |
Started paddling around. | 0:32:55 | 0:32:57 | |
The dog was having fun and the dolphins were having fun, | 0:32:58 | 0:33:01 | |
they were all having a party. | 0:33:01 | 0:33:02 | |
Life went on at the Dolphin House. | 0:33:11 | 0:33:14 | |
But back on the mainland, Lilly's interests were shifting. | 0:33:14 | 0:33:18 | |
MUSIC: "Eight Miles High" by The Byrds | 0:33:18 | 0:33:21 | |
It was the mid-1960s | 0:33:24 | 0:33:26 | |
and a new mind-altering drug had been invented - LSD. | 0:33:26 | 0:33:30 | |
# Eight miles high | 0:33:30 | 0:33:34 | |
# And when you touch down | 0:33:34 | 0:33:38 | |
# You'll find that it's stranger | 0:33:38 | 0:33:41 | |
# Than known | 0:33:41 | 0:33:45 | |
# Signs in... # | 0:33:45 | 0:33:46 | |
Brain scientist Lilly became obsessed by how humans | 0:33:46 | 0:33:50 | |
reacted to it. | 0:33:50 | 0:33:51 | |
And he began experimenting on himself, | 0:33:51 | 0:33:54 | |
convinced that it offered exciting new opportunities | 0:33:54 | 0:33:57 | |
to explore the mind. | 0:33:57 | 0:33:59 | |
There was one time where he said, | 0:34:04 | 0:34:07 | |
"All right, I'm going to go up and inject the LSD." | 0:34:07 | 0:34:12 | |
And I said, "Whoa! | 0:34:12 | 0:34:14 | |
"I will have nothing to do with that. | 0:34:14 | 0:34:17 | |
"And I will stay out of that, and you stay out of my business," | 0:34:17 | 0:34:20 | |
which was dolphins. | 0:34:20 | 0:34:22 | |
I could see the difference in John Lilly. | 0:34:22 | 0:34:24 | |
He went from being, you know, a guy with a tie and a white coat | 0:34:24 | 0:34:28 | |
and a scientist in his laboratory to | 0:34:28 | 0:34:31 | |
a full blown hippie after a while. | 0:34:31 | 0:34:34 | |
He was a real explorer of those drugs that | 0:34:35 | 0:34:39 | |
expand our consciousness, you know. | 0:34:39 | 0:34:41 | |
I don't know there were too many | 0:34:41 | 0:34:42 | |
people with his...his expertise | 0:34:42 | 0:34:45 | |
and his scientific background that was doing that kind of work. | 0:34:45 | 0:34:48 | |
John's self-experimentation with LSD was becoming a concern for Margaret. | 0:34:48 | 0:34:54 | |
But something else was affecting her work with Peter. | 0:34:56 | 0:35:00 | |
They have sexual urges. | 0:35:00 | 0:35:03 | |
I'm sure Peter had plenty of thoughts along those lines. | 0:35:05 | 0:35:09 | |
Peter liked to be...with me. | 0:35:09 | 0:35:12 | |
He would rub himself on my knee or my foot or my hand or... | 0:35:12 | 0:35:17 | |
whatever, and I allowed that. I wasn't uncomfortable with that, | 0:35:17 | 0:35:20 | |
as long as it wasn't too rough. | 0:35:20 | 0:35:22 | |
Peter had caused Margaret some | 0:35:22 | 0:35:26 | |
minor injuries on her legs and stuff | 0:35:26 | 0:35:29 | |
of pushing like an obsessed suitor. | 0:35:29 | 0:35:33 | |
In the beginning, when he would get rambunctious and had this need, | 0:35:33 | 0:35:37 | |
I would put him on the elevator and say, | 0:35:37 | 0:35:39 | |
"You go play with the girls for a day." | 0:35:39 | 0:35:41 | |
HE SQUEAKS | 0:35:41 | 0:35:44 | |
But as Peter's urges grew more frequent, | 0:35:47 | 0:35:50 | |
the process of transporting him down to the two female dolphins | 0:35:50 | 0:35:53 | |
to satisfy him proved disruptive. | 0:35:53 | 0:35:55 | |
And Margaret felt the best way of focusing his mind | 0:36:02 | 0:36:05 | |
back on the lessons, was to relieve his desires herself manually. | 0:36:05 | 0:36:09 | |
It was just easier to incorporate that and let it happen. | 0:36:10 | 0:36:15 | |
It was very, uh, precious. | 0:36:15 | 0:36:18 | |
It was very gentle. | 0:36:18 | 0:36:20 | |
Peter was right there. | 0:36:20 | 0:36:21 | |
He knew that I was right there. | 0:36:21 | 0:36:23 | |
Again, it was sexual on his part, it was not sexual on mine. | 0:36:23 | 0:36:27 | |
Sensuous perhaps. | 0:36:27 | 0:36:28 | |
It had just become part of what was going on. | 0:36:28 | 0:36:31 | |
Like an itch, you just get rid of that. | 0:36:31 | 0:36:33 | |
"We'll scratch it and we'll be done, move on." | 0:36:33 | 0:36:35 | |
And that's really all it was. | 0:36:35 | 0:36:39 | |
I was there to get to know Peter, that was part of Peter. | 0:36:39 | 0:36:43 | |
It was great that she wasn't going to be damaged by that, | 0:36:43 | 0:36:47 | |
but, as a veterinarian, | 0:36:47 | 0:36:50 | |
I wondered about poor Peter. | 0:36:50 | 0:36:52 | |
This dolphin was madly in love with her. | 0:36:52 | 0:36:56 | |
Margaret. | 0:36:56 | 0:36:58 | |
Ahee-aaheeee. | 0:36:58 | 0:37:01 | |
Margaret and Peter's relationship was continuing to deepen. | 0:37:01 | 0:37:05 | |
But with his ringside seat at the Dolphin House, | 0:37:05 | 0:37:08 | |
anthropologist Gregory Bateson was now seriously questioning | 0:37:08 | 0:37:12 | |
the value of Lilly's work. | 0:37:12 | 0:37:14 | |
My dad had, I think, | 0:37:14 | 0:37:15 | |
a pretty firm and clear view that this was a kind of circus trick. | 0:37:15 | 0:37:20 | |
For Bateson, Peter was simply copying Margaret's sounds | 0:37:20 | 0:37:23 | |
with no real comprehension of what he was saying. | 0:37:23 | 0:37:27 | |
I can't see why anybody in their right mind would think... | 0:37:27 | 0:37:30 | |
..they were going to be able to teach or learn to speak | 0:37:32 | 0:37:37 | |
in some common language. | 0:37:37 | 0:37:40 | |
You're not demonstrating anything about an animal's capacity | 0:37:40 | 0:37:43 | |
for language by getting them to master some part of your language. | 0:37:43 | 0:37:48 | |
You want to find out whether they have language, | 0:37:49 | 0:37:51 | |
you want to find out what they have for their language. | 0:37:51 | 0:37:54 | |
Come right out with the English, Peter. | 0:37:57 | 0:38:00 | |
Don't even think in your own language. | 0:38:00 | 0:38:03 | |
English all the time. | 0:38:03 | 0:38:05 | |
-Margaret. -Ah-ah. | 0:38:06 | 0:38:09 | |
Better. Thank you, Peter. | 0:38:09 | 0:38:11 | |
Like Gregory Bateson, Lilly's funders were also having | 0:38:13 | 0:38:16 | |
doubts about the value of the work. | 0:38:16 | 0:38:19 | |
And from 1965, in the absence of more impressive results, | 0:38:19 | 0:38:23 | |
they were starting to pull out. | 0:38:23 | 0:38:26 | |
Any of the work with dolphins was very difficult - | 0:38:26 | 0:38:29 | |
time consuming, expensive - | 0:38:29 | 0:38:31 | |
and at that time, John was not adequately financed | 0:38:31 | 0:38:35 | |
to really conduct the experiments that needed to be done. | 0:38:35 | 0:38:38 | |
As funding for the Dolphin House looked increasingly shaky, | 0:38:41 | 0:38:44 | |
Lilly was becoming desperate for results to impress his backers. | 0:38:44 | 0:38:48 | |
He turned to the one experiment he had so far resisted. | 0:38:48 | 0:38:53 | |
Why wouldn't you go ahead and use this very powerful drug | 0:38:53 | 0:38:58 | |
that has been used to facilitate psychotherapy, | 0:38:58 | 0:39:01 | |
namely LSD? | 0:39:01 | 0:39:03 | |
Take a little bit yourself so you're a little more open | 0:39:05 | 0:39:07 | |
to the alien world of the other and... | 0:39:07 | 0:39:10 | |
and heck while you're at it, | 0:39:10 | 0:39:12 | |
give a little bit to the dolphin so that they're a little bit more | 0:39:12 | 0:39:15 | |
kind of open to the communicative world of the other themselves. | 0:39:15 | 0:39:19 | |
Lilly hoped that giving the dolphins LSD would have a dramatic effect. | 0:39:22 | 0:39:26 | |
In a note to Gregory Bateson, he even wondered | 0:39:29 | 0:39:32 | |
if it might cause the animals to stop breathing. | 0:39:32 | 0:39:36 | |
LSD's a pretty powerful, psychedelic drug, | 0:39:36 | 0:39:40 | |
and I had no idea how the dolphins would react to that. | 0:39:40 | 0:39:45 | |
I mean, humans didn't always react to it very well, so, you know... | 0:39:45 | 0:39:48 | |
Despite these uncertainties about the consequences, | 0:39:52 | 0:39:55 | |
Lilly became obsessed with giving LSD to the dolphins. | 0:39:55 | 0:39:57 | |
My first thought was, "Not Peter." | 0:40:00 | 0:40:03 | |
I just said, "Not Peter." | 0:40:03 | 0:40:04 | |
What was I? 24 or something. | 0:40:07 | 0:40:10 | |
And it was his stuff, it was his animals, it was his pool. | 0:40:10 | 0:40:14 | |
I can't stop him. | 0:40:14 | 0:40:15 | |
Lilly coerced Margaret into being an assistant to his LSD experiment | 0:40:18 | 0:40:22 | |
on the dolphins. | 0:40:22 | 0:40:23 | |
And he pulled back and he said, "OK, not Peter." | 0:40:25 | 0:40:29 | |
We pulled Peter out of the sea pool where they were. | 0:40:29 | 0:40:32 | |
So Pam and Sissy were in the sea pool. | 0:40:33 | 0:40:35 | |
And John did inject them with LSD. | 0:40:39 | 0:40:41 | |
-LILLY: -10:06pm. | 0:40:44 | 0:40:46 | |
Different species react in different ways. | 0:40:59 | 0:41:02 | |
Playing with pharmaceuticals is tricky business to say the least. | 0:41:04 | 0:41:09 | |
We didn't know what was going to happen. | 0:41:10 | 0:41:12 | |
And we certainly weren't prepared for anything to happen. | 0:41:12 | 0:41:15 | |
The dolphins were circling, | 0:41:20 | 0:41:23 | |
and John occasionally glanced | 0:41:23 | 0:41:26 | |
and said, "Oh, well, it's only been ten minutes." | 0:41:26 | 0:41:29 | |
And nothing was going on and it's been, well, 20 minutes now. | 0:41:31 | 0:41:34 | |
Nothing was going on, nothing, nothing, nothing happened, period. | 0:41:36 | 0:41:40 | |
Lilly was desperate to provoke a response. | 0:41:43 | 0:41:45 | |
He came up with a bizarre and cruel idea, | 0:41:46 | 0:41:49 | |
which shows how far he'd now come from genuine scientific research. | 0:41:49 | 0:41:54 | |
Dolphins have extraordinarily sensitive hearing, | 0:41:55 | 0:41:58 | |
using sound waves to sense their environment. | 0:41:58 | 0:42:01 | |
Could he use that to trigger a reaction? | 0:42:03 | 0:42:06 | |
And then John disappeared, and he went to the other side | 0:42:06 | 0:42:10 | |
and he picked up a jackhammer. | 0:42:10 | 0:42:13 | |
Jackhammer makes a big "thunk" going through the earth | 0:42:13 | 0:42:17 | |
and the cement and the rock and... | 0:42:17 | 0:42:19 | |
And he just started jackhammering, | 0:42:21 | 0:42:23 | |
which had everything sort of shaking. | 0:42:23 | 0:42:25 | |
And still nothing happened. | 0:42:29 | 0:42:31 | |
So that was sort of the end of it. | 0:42:31 | 0:42:33 | |
It just confirmed for me that John Lilly and I, | 0:42:35 | 0:42:39 | |
we were...we're very different. | 0:42:39 | 0:42:41 | |
For Gregory Bateson, | 0:42:42 | 0:42:43 | |
Lilly's use of LSD on the dolphins was the last straw. | 0:42:43 | 0:42:47 | |
He packed up the family and left. | 0:42:47 | 0:42:50 | |
St Thomas was really an impossible place to work. | 0:42:53 | 0:42:56 | |
And I actually don't think he felt like he made much progress | 0:42:56 | 0:43:00 | |
that year in St Thomas. | 0:43:00 | 0:43:01 | |
We had learned as much as we could from that particular setting | 0:43:01 | 0:43:06 | |
in St Thomas | 0:43:06 | 0:43:07 | |
and we just felt it was time to go. | 0:43:07 | 0:43:11 | |
With the Batesons gone and funding turned off, | 0:43:13 | 0:43:15 | |
by the summer of 1966, Lilly was running up large debts. | 0:43:15 | 0:43:20 | |
And in his LSD-fuelled world, | 0:43:20 | 0:43:22 | |
his attention was drifting away. | 0:43:22 | 0:43:25 | |
He lost focus on it, | 0:43:25 | 0:43:28 | |
and the drug culture and the LSD took his interest away. | 0:43:28 | 0:43:34 | |
It did fall apart at the end. | 0:43:34 | 0:43:36 | |
Badly. | 0:43:36 | 0:43:38 | |
The Dolphin House would have to close. | 0:43:39 | 0:43:42 | |
But decommissioning it would not be easy. | 0:43:42 | 0:43:44 | |
When you're dealing with live subjects, | 0:43:48 | 0:43:52 | |
whether they're rats or monkeys or dolphins, | 0:43:52 | 0:43:57 | |
what do you do with them after... | 0:43:57 | 0:43:59 | |
..after the experiments are over? | 0:44:00 | 0:44:03 | |
There was nothing we could do about it. | 0:44:03 | 0:44:05 | |
Lilly decided the dolphins would be transported to the US mainland, | 0:44:06 | 0:44:09 | |
to live in another private lab he ran outside Miami. | 0:44:09 | 0:44:14 | |
It would be the end of Margaret and Peter's relationship. | 0:44:14 | 0:44:18 | |
He wasn't mine. I couldn't keep him. | 0:44:18 | 0:44:21 | |
We couldn't elope, you know. | 0:44:23 | 0:44:25 | |
We couldn't rush off into the sea and disappear and hide. | 0:44:25 | 0:44:28 | |
You just can't do that. | 0:44:28 | 0:44:30 | |
It's a very expensive business, having a dolphin. | 0:44:30 | 0:44:35 | |
If he'd been a cat or a dog, I could have made a deal and kept him, | 0:44:35 | 0:44:38 | |
but, uh... How do you do that? | 0:44:38 | 0:44:41 | |
After months of living almost continuously with Peter, | 0:44:44 | 0:44:48 | |
the experiment was over. | 0:44:48 | 0:44:49 | |
It was time for Margaret to say goodbye. | 0:44:50 | 0:44:53 | |
I went back to the lab and spent the evening | 0:44:53 | 0:44:57 | |
and the night with Peter. | 0:44:57 | 0:44:59 | |
Being in the water with him, and just that sweetness. | 0:45:01 | 0:45:06 | |
It was very special and privileged. | 0:45:06 | 0:45:10 | |
Somebody who really wants you to be there | 0:45:11 | 0:45:14 | |
and sometimes is just comforted by the fact that you are there. | 0:45:14 | 0:45:17 | |
That was misty-eyed, because at that point, I knew... | 0:45:22 | 0:45:27 | |
..and Peter didn't know, | 0:45:28 | 0:45:31 | |
but I knew that that was the end. | 0:45:31 | 0:45:33 | |
In October 1966, the dolphins were loaded into travelling tanks | 0:45:46 | 0:45:50 | |
to be flown to Lilly's lab on the mainland. | 0:45:50 | 0:45:52 | |
Seeing that plane take off and circle - I didn't go with them - | 0:45:55 | 0:45:58 | |
that was emotional. | 0:45:58 | 0:46:00 | |
Margaret and Andy believed the animals had gone to a good home. | 0:46:02 | 0:46:06 | |
I was told that they were shipped some place where | 0:46:08 | 0:46:11 | |
they would be very happy. | 0:46:11 | 0:46:12 | |
I was told he arrived healthy, that they had him checked by a vet. | 0:46:14 | 0:46:18 | |
In reality, | 0:46:22 | 0:46:24 | |
this is the building outside Miami where the dolphins were moved to. | 0:46:24 | 0:46:27 | |
THEY SQUEAL | 0:46:27 | 0:46:30 | |
With little or no natural light and tiny, cramped tanks, | 0:46:30 | 0:46:34 | |
this nightmarish room was a very different environment | 0:46:34 | 0:46:37 | |
to the Dolphin House. | 0:46:37 | 0:46:38 | |
Lilly's friend Ric O'Barry remembers once visiting the labs. | 0:46:40 | 0:46:44 | |
It was awful, to be frank. It was awful. | 0:46:44 | 0:46:48 | |
The first thing that hit you... Bff! ..was that smell. | 0:46:48 | 0:46:51 | |
Dolphins urinate and defecate | 0:46:55 | 0:46:58 | |
three to five times the quantity people will, | 0:46:58 | 0:47:01 | |
so you can imagine the stench of having dolphins | 0:47:01 | 0:47:03 | |
inside of that small room, | 0:47:03 | 0:47:06 | |
in a plastic, portable swimming pool. | 0:47:06 | 0:47:10 | |
And the chlorine... Copper sulphate, chlorine, heavily chlorinated... | 0:47:11 | 0:47:15 | |
Yeah, it was awful. It was awful. | 0:47:17 | 0:47:20 | |
THEY SQUEAL | 0:47:21 | 0:47:24 | |
Back at the Dolphin House, Margaret was oblivious | 0:47:29 | 0:47:32 | |
to the conditions the dolphins were now being kept in. | 0:47:32 | 0:47:35 | |
Weeks passed, and then Margaret received a phone call about Peter. | 0:47:36 | 0:47:41 | |
I got that phone call. | 0:47:42 | 0:47:43 | |
From John Lilly. | 0:47:45 | 0:47:46 | |
John called me himself to...to tell me. | 0:47:46 | 0:47:49 | |
And he said he committed suicide. | 0:47:49 | 0:47:52 | |
Suicide. | 0:47:56 | 0:47:57 | |
And I use that word with some trepidation, | 0:47:57 | 0:48:02 | |
at the risk of sounding anthropomorphic, but | 0:48:02 | 0:48:06 | |
it does describe what is indeed self-induced asphyxiation. | 0:48:06 | 0:48:12 | |
They're not automatic air breathers like we are. | 0:48:14 | 0:48:17 | |
Every breath is a conscious effort. | 0:48:17 | 0:48:20 | |
If life becomes too unbearable, | 0:48:20 | 0:48:24 | |
the dolphins just take a breath... | 0:48:24 | 0:48:27 | |
And they sink to the bottom. They don't take that next breath. | 0:48:27 | 0:48:30 | |
The shock of being moved from the Dolphin House had been too much. | 0:48:32 | 0:48:36 | |
Peter, it seems, had died of a broken heart. | 0:48:36 | 0:48:39 | |
You could think that Margaret could rationalise it, | 0:48:41 | 0:48:46 | |
but when she left, could Peter? | 0:48:46 | 0:48:50 | |
Here's the love of his life, gone. | 0:48:52 | 0:48:55 | |
50 years of ocean and storms have taken their toll | 0:49:11 | 0:49:14 | |
on the Dolphin House. | 0:49:14 | 0:49:17 | |
RECORDING OF MARGARET: I must eat my fish. | 0:49:17 | 0:49:20 | |
Today, this derelict shell is all that remains of the building which | 0:49:20 | 0:49:24 | |
housed the strangest experiment in the history of animal science. | 0:49:24 | 0:49:28 | |
The ruins of the Dolphin House... | 0:49:29 | 0:49:32 | |
It's easy to see, in that brokenness, | 0:49:32 | 0:49:35 | |
the...pathetic brokenness | 0:49:35 | 0:49:38 | |
of Lilly's own extraordinary ambition. | 0:49:38 | 0:49:41 | |
Boy. | 0:49:41 | 0:49:43 | |
PETER CLICKS AND SQUEAKS | 0:49:43 | 0:49:45 | |
Lovely! | 0:49:45 | 0:49:47 | |
People who study language aren't really persuaded | 0:49:47 | 0:49:50 | |
that his claims about dolphin talking | 0:49:50 | 0:49:55 | |
are really informed by the best work | 0:49:55 | 0:49:57 | |
in the study of language itself. | 0:49:57 | 0:49:59 | |
Instead, today's leading animal language experts believe what | 0:50:01 | 0:50:05 | |
happened at the Dolphin House was in reality a sophisticated | 0:50:05 | 0:50:09 | |
mimicry experiment. | 0:50:09 | 0:50:10 | |
Listen. | 0:50:12 | 0:50:13 | |
Fish in Buck-et. | 0:50:13 | 0:50:16 | |
Your parrot says, "Polly want a cracker," | 0:50:19 | 0:50:22 | |
and you give that parrot a cracker, | 0:50:22 | 0:50:26 | |
have you broken through to an alien species? | 0:50:26 | 0:50:29 | |
Fish in Buck-et. | 0:50:29 | 0:50:32 | |
-Ah-ah-ah! -Yes! | 0:50:32 | 0:50:36 | |
Peter could copy Margaret's sounds | 0:50:36 | 0:50:38 | |
and relate them to objects and people. | 0:50:38 | 0:50:42 | |
What he couldn't do was use the words to communicate | 0:50:42 | 0:50:44 | |
spontaneously back to her. | 0:50:44 | 0:50:47 | |
He listens to me so well! | 0:50:47 | 0:50:50 | |
Listen. | 0:50:50 | 0:50:53 | |
Margaret. | 0:50:53 | 0:50:54 | |
Margaret. | 0:50:55 | 0:50:57 | |
Margaret. | 0:50:58 | 0:50:59 | |
Ah-aaaaah. | 0:50:59 | 0:51:02 | |
Listen, listen. | 0:51:02 | 0:51:05 | |
For Margaret, this was simply because the experiment | 0:51:05 | 0:51:08 | |
was stopped too early. | 0:51:08 | 0:51:10 | |
She believes Peter's progress was far more advanced than | 0:51:10 | 0:51:13 | |
a human infant's would have been after the same coaching. | 0:51:13 | 0:51:17 | |
And with more time, | 0:51:17 | 0:51:19 | |
she feels she would have taken his communication to the next level. | 0:51:19 | 0:51:23 | |
Six months. | 0:51:23 | 0:51:24 | |
You have a six-month-old baby, they're doing that? No. | 0:51:24 | 0:51:27 | |
You're talking to them all the time, sleeping with them, | 0:51:27 | 0:51:30 | |
hugging them, cuddling them, Are they doing that? No. | 0:51:30 | 0:51:33 | |
It's nothing. But people are impatient. | 0:51:33 | 0:51:37 | |
Do more, do more. | 0:51:37 | 0:51:38 | |
Despite the failure of the Dolphin House, | 0:51:43 | 0:51:46 | |
throughout the '70s and '80s, | 0:51:46 | 0:51:47 | |
Lilly's desire to communicate with dolphins continued. | 0:51:47 | 0:51:50 | |
Some of his research was bizarrely mystical, | 0:51:53 | 0:51:55 | |
like this attempt to try to contact them telepathically. | 0:51:55 | 0:51:58 | |
HE PLAYS THE KEYBOARD | 0:51:58 | 0:52:01 | |
Lilly was based in California, | 0:52:01 | 0:52:03 | |
and other experiments attracted high-profile celebrity interest. | 0:52:03 | 0:52:07 | |
We have this wonderful opportunity to explore communicating with | 0:52:07 | 0:52:12 | |
this species that lives | 0:52:12 | 0:52:14 | |
on our planet | 0:52:14 | 0:52:15 | |
with brains larger than ours. | 0:52:15 | 0:52:18 | |
Jeff Bridges was introduced to Lilly by Hollywood friends. | 0:52:18 | 0:52:21 | |
He became fascinated by his work trying to teach dolphins | 0:52:21 | 0:52:25 | |
to communicate using electronic sounds. | 0:52:25 | 0:52:27 | |
He was interested in trying to | 0:52:29 | 0:52:32 | |
teach humans a way | 0:52:32 | 0:52:34 | |
that would be easier for the dolphins to communicate. | 0:52:34 | 0:52:38 | |
And not so much trying to get the dolphins to speak humaneeze, | 0:52:38 | 0:52:43 | |
but giving the dolphins a code | 0:52:43 | 0:52:45 | |
rather than trying to make the dolphins speak like humans. | 0:52:45 | 0:52:49 | |
But Lilly's approach was completely at odds with other scientific | 0:52:52 | 0:52:55 | |
research into animal communication. | 0:52:55 | 0:52:58 | |
The failure of the Dolphin House killed off | 0:52:59 | 0:53:01 | |
serious scientific interest in teaching animals a human language. | 0:53:01 | 0:53:05 | |
Instead, over the following decades, | 0:53:07 | 0:53:09 | |
scientists have focused on trying to understand | 0:53:09 | 0:53:12 | |
animal-to-animal communication, | 0:53:12 | 0:53:14 | |
as Gregory Bateson and the astronomers had championed. | 0:53:14 | 0:53:17 | |
50 years after the Dolphin House, | 0:53:20 | 0:53:22 | |
it's not Peter's command of English | 0:53:22 | 0:53:24 | |
which the experiment is remembered for, | 0:53:24 | 0:53:26 | |
but Margaret's sexual encounters with him. | 0:53:26 | 0:53:29 | |
When an account of what happened was finally published in the 1970s, | 0:53:30 | 0:53:34 | |
it fascinated a prurient public. | 0:53:34 | 0:53:37 | |
And someone came up and said, "Well, aren't you just...?" | 0:53:37 | 0:53:40 | |
I didn't know what they were talking about. | 0:53:40 | 0:53:42 | |
I, first of all, had never even heard of Hustler Magazine. | 0:53:42 | 0:53:45 | |
And I opened the Hustler... | 0:53:45 | 0:53:47 | |
SHE GASPS And I found this story | 0:53:49 | 0:53:51 | |
with my name and Peter, | 0:53:51 | 0:53:54 | |
and a drawing of the sexual activity. | 0:53:54 | 0:53:57 | |
"The worst experiment in the world," I've read, was me and Peter. | 0:53:57 | 0:54:01 | |
I was very upset. | 0:54:01 | 0:54:03 | |
I never hid it from anybody. | 0:54:05 | 0:54:07 | |
There were people around, John Lilly sometimes. | 0:54:07 | 0:54:10 | |
Maybe somebody visiting with John Lilly. | 0:54:10 | 0:54:13 | |
Peter would be aroused and we would go through this. | 0:54:13 | 0:54:16 | |
But it always had to be respected. | 0:54:16 | 0:54:18 | |
Tarnished by the reputation of his work at the Dolphin House, Lilly | 0:54:21 | 0:54:25 | |
continued his use of mind-expanding drugs in the years which followed. | 0:54:25 | 0:54:29 | |
And he began championing many of the wilder ideas | 0:54:29 | 0:54:33 | |
from the counter-culture, becoming a new-age guru and cult figure. | 0:54:33 | 0:54:37 | |
With me is Dr John C Lilly. | 0:54:37 | 0:54:40 | |
What is true in the province of the mind? | 0:54:40 | 0:54:43 | |
In the province of the mind, what one believes to be true | 0:54:43 | 0:54:46 | |
either is true or becomes true within certain limits. | 0:54:46 | 0:54:50 | |
But as he got older, Lilly's appreciation of dolphin | 0:54:56 | 0:54:59 | |
intelligence got him thinking about the animals differently. | 0:54:59 | 0:55:03 | |
Up to that point, I think he was | 0:55:03 | 0:55:06 | |
very involved in what dolphins | 0:55:06 | 0:55:09 | |
can do for me, John Lilly, the scientist. | 0:55:09 | 0:55:12 | |
And something happened along the way where he understood, | 0:55:12 | 0:55:15 | |
"They have just as much rights as we do | 0:55:15 | 0:55:18 | |
"and let's start thinking about what we can do for them." | 0:55:18 | 0:55:22 | |
John changed his thinking about the dolphins, | 0:55:22 | 0:55:25 | |
and he felt uncomfortable about keeping them confined - | 0:55:25 | 0:55:31 | |
and he ended up releasing his dolphins. | 0:55:31 | 0:55:35 | |
That's the first time that happened in America, or anywhere. | 0:55:37 | 0:55:41 | |
The first permit ever issued to release dolphins. | 0:55:41 | 0:55:45 | |
I had no right to confine them, | 0:55:45 | 0:55:49 | |
to imprison them, | 0:55:49 | 0:55:51 | |
to work on them. | 0:55:51 | 0:55:53 | |
My only right would be to work with them | 0:55:54 | 0:55:58 | |
in their natural habitat, in their natural state. | 0:55:58 | 0:56:02 | |
In the mid-1980s, Lilly began campaigning | 0:56:02 | 0:56:06 | |
relentlessly against holding dolphins captive. | 0:56:06 | 0:56:09 | |
This, together with the profile his work had given dolphins, | 0:56:09 | 0:56:13 | |
helped transform the way they were viewed by the public. | 0:56:13 | 0:56:16 | |
Congress passed the US Marine Mammal Protection Act. | 0:56:16 | 0:56:21 | |
And for organisations like Greenpeace, | 0:56:21 | 0:56:23 | |
they became an iconic symbol of the wider conservation movement. | 0:56:23 | 0:56:27 | |
That story of the rising campaign to afford new protections | 0:56:27 | 0:56:34 | |
to the world's marine mammals, | 0:56:34 | 0:56:35 | |
I would argue it's impossible to imagine that work without | 0:56:35 | 0:56:39 | |
Lilly's legacy. | 0:56:39 | 0:56:41 | |
John Lilly died in hospital in 2001, after a short illness, | 0:56:42 | 0:56:46 | |
at the age of 86. | 0:56:46 | 0:56:47 | |
Margaret Howe had stayed on in St Thomas' and married | 0:56:50 | 0:56:54 | |
the photographer who had taken the pictures of her with Peter. | 0:56:54 | 0:56:57 | |
Remarkably, she and her husband continued living in the house | 0:56:59 | 0:57:02 | |
for another ten years, | 0:57:02 | 0:57:04 | |
converting it into a family home and bringing up three girls. | 0:57:04 | 0:57:07 | |
It was a good place, | 0:57:09 | 0:57:11 | |
there was good feeling in that building all the time. | 0:57:11 | 0:57:14 | |
But for Margaret, today the house has an even more powerful memory. | 0:57:16 | 0:57:20 | |
That relationship of having to be together, | 0:57:20 | 0:57:24 | |
that sort of turned into really enjoying being together, | 0:57:24 | 0:57:27 | |
and wanting to be together, and missing when you weren't there. | 0:57:27 | 0:57:33 | |
I'm a human, I'm in love with a human. | 0:57:33 | 0:57:35 | |
I married a human, I had babies. | 0:57:35 | 0:57:37 | |
I did have a very close encounter with... | 0:57:37 | 0:57:40 | |
I can't even say a dolphin again, ..with Peter, one dolphin. | 0:57:40 | 0:57:44 | |
I was very lucky. | 0:57:44 | 0:57:46 | |
PETER SQUEAKS | 0:57:46 | 0:57:47 | |
HE SQUEAKS | 0:57:51 | 0:57:53 | |
SHE GIGGLES | 0:57:53 | 0:57:56 | |
That's amazing! | 0:57:56 | 0:57:58 | |
For the first time in 50 years, | 0:57:58 | 0:58:00 | |
Margaret has been able to hear recordings of her with Peter. | 0:58:00 | 0:58:04 | |
Trying so hard! God... | 0:58:04 | 0:58:07 | |
'One, two, three, four, five. | 0:58:07 | 0:58:10 | |
'Ah, ah, ah, ah, ah. | 0:58:10 | 0:58:13 | |
'Nice five, Peter.' | 0:58:13 | 0:58:15 | |
Nice five, Peter! | 0:58:15 | 0:58:16 | |
SHE LAUGHS AND CLAPS | 0:58:16 | 0:58:19 | |
PETER SQUEAKS | 0:58:47 | 0:58:50 | |
MARGARET: What is that all about, Peter? | 0:58:52 | 0:58:54 |