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Hidden in the hills of Northern California | 0:00:04 | 0:00:06 | |
a few miles south of San Francisco, lies Woodside. | 0:00:06 | 0:00:10 | |
One of the wealthiest towns in America. | 0:00:12 | 0:00:14 | |
It is home to a host of celebrities. | 0:00:15 | 0:00:17 | |
Including a western lowland gorilla called Koko... | 0:00:19 | 0:00:22 | |
..whose life challenges everything we think makes us unique. | 0:00:25 | 0:00:29 | |
Over 40 years ago, Penny Patterson set out to discover | 0:00:35 | 0:00:38 | |
if humans and gorillas could ever communicate. | 0:00:38 | 0:00:41 | |
Everyone, when they're a child, has that Dr Doolittle moment | 0:00:42 | 0:00:46 | |
where they think, you know, "If only we could talk to animals." | 0:00:46 | 0:00:49 | |
And here was a chance. | 0:00:51 | 0:00:54 | |
What began as a PhD to teach sign language to Koko | 0:00:54 | 0:00:57 | |
turned into a lifelong relationship. | 0:00:57 | 0:01:00 | |
It seemed like Penny was in love with Koko | 0:01:00 | 0:01:02 | |
in the way in which a mother might be in love with a daughter. | 0:01:02 | 0:01:06 | |
News about Koko made headlines across the world. | 0:01:06 | 0:01:09 | |
'Koko was a particularly intelligent gorilla...' | 0:01:09 | 0:01:11 | |
'Koko is the subject of the longest ongoing ape language...' | 0:01:11 | 0:01:15 | |
But throughout their time together, Penny has had to fight to keep Koko. | 0:01:15 | 0:01:19 | |
The reality that it really would end just didn't enter our minds. | 0:01:19 | 0:01:23 | |
Now, nearly half a century after the project began, | 0:01:23 | 0:01:26 | |
the line between humans and apes is being redrawn. | 0:01:26 | 0:01:31 | |
A court in Argentina has ruled that an orang-utan can be granted | 0:01:31 | 0:01:34 | |
some of the legal rights enjoyed by humans. | 0:01:34 | 0:01:37 | |
What entitles humans to rights that other species | 0:01:37 | 0:01:41 | |
and animals aren't entitled to? | 0:01:41 | 0:01:43 | |
With thousands of hours of footage collected over 44 years, | 0:01:44 | 0:01:49 | |
does Project Koko finally prove that animals can communicate with humans? | 0:01:49 | 0:01:53 | |
And even share their deep thoughts and feelings with us? | 0:01:55 | 0:01:58 | |
Maybe these animals are thinking. | 0:01:59 | 0:02:02 | |
There's a lot more going on in their heads than maybe we thought. | 0:02:02 | 0:02:06 | |
Or are there some things that will always separate us | 0:02:06 | 0:02:09 | |
from our closest relatives? | 0:02:09 | 0:02:11 | |
How human can a gorilla be? | 0:02:16 | 0:02:18 | |
What can her brain do like a human can do? | 0:02:21 | 0:02:23 | |
HEAVY RUMBLE OF KOKO BREATHING | 0:02:31 | 0:02:34 | |
Now that you have your things with you, | 0:02:42 | 0:02:44 | |
how are your emotions right now? | 0:02:44 | 0:02:46 | |
Koko has emotions! | 0:02:48 | 0:02:49 | |
Koko spends almost every day with Penny | 0:02:51 | 0:02:55 | |
and Ron Cohn, who has filmed ever since Project Koko began. | 0:02:55 | 0:02:58 | |
Five, six, seven... Good! | 0:03:00 | 0:03:02 | |
Penny claims that Koko can use over 1,000 words | 0:03:02 | 0:03:05 | |
of American Sign Language | 0:03:05 | 0:03:07 | |
and videos of her online regularly get millions of hits. | 0:03:07 | 0:03:10 | |
'Coco understands spoken English | 0:03:10 | 0:03:12 | |
'and uses of 1,000 signs to share her feelings and thoughts.' | 0:03:12 | 0:03:15 | |
'A giant gorilla with a tiny, tiny, tiny helpless kitten.' | 0:03:15 | 0:03:20 | |
It's rare for anyone other than Penny | 0:03:21 | 0:03:24 | |
and Ron to get close to Koko herself. | 0:03:24 | 0:03:26 | |
But now the BBC has been given unprecedented access | 0:03:28 | 0:03:31 | |
to film Koko for a month... | 0:03:31 | 0:03:33 | |
..and open up the archive of her life to see for ourselves how much | 0:03:35 | 0:03:39 | |
Koko can really communicate | 0:03:39 | 0:03:41 | |
and what daily life is like for the world's most famous gorilla. | 0:03:41 | 0:03:45 | |
Drinks and things. Yeah, yeah. | 0:03:48 | 0:03:50 | |
Penny, what are you planning to do? | 0:03:54 | 0:03:56 | |
Oh, Koko's birthday. Yeah. | 0:03:56 | 0:03:58 | |
This is a big deal. Koko was born on the fourth of July. | 0:03:58 | 0:04:03 | |
So, we're just lining up presents and... | 0:04:04 | 0:04:08 | |
Um, so, did you get the ones in here? | 0:04:09 | 0:04:11 | |
Coco will soon turn 44. | 0:04:13 | 0:04:15 | |
-And this is a T-shirt of love? -Well, yeah... | 0:04:17 | 0:04:20 | |
'Although gorillas in the wild rarely reach this age,' | 0:04:20 | 0:04:23 | |
captive females can live into their 50s. | 0:04:23 | 0:04:27 | |
But unlike other gorillas, | 0:04:27 | 0:04:28 | |
Koko's birthdays are celebrated with cakes, parties and presents. | 0:04:28 | 0:04:33 | |
It's a life no-one could have predicted when it all began. | 0:04:33 | 0:04:37 | |
Blow it out. Good girl! | 0:04:42 | 0:04:44 | |
KITTEN MEWS | 0:04:46 | 0:04:47 | |
Koko was born to her mother Jacqueline in 1971 | 0:05:11 | 0:05:14 | |
in San Francisco Zoo. | 0:05:14 | 0:05:16 | |
'She's accepted the child and she's proceeding to raise it.' | 0:05:17 | 0:05:21 | |
The gorilla population is declining and I think we are, sort of, | 0:05:22 | 0:05:26 | |
becoming a Noah's Ark. | 0:05:26 | 0:05:28 | |
When Koko was born, Penny and Ron were both students nearby | 0:05:32 | 0:05:36 | |
at Stanford University. | 0:05:36 | 0:05:38 | |
'I was a graduate student...' | 0:05:40 | 0:05:42 | |
..and we met at one of Penny's friend's parties, or something. | 0:05:45 | 0:05:50 | |
And I got her phone number. | 0:05:50 | 0:05:52 | |
She was definitely the most beautiful woman I'd ever seen. | 0:05:53 | 0:05:59 | |
I'm sure you won't put that in! But she was. | 0:05:59 | 0:06:02 | |
Penny was a 24-year-old psychology student at Stanford, | 0:06:03 | 0:06:06 | |
when the field of animal communication | 0:06:06 | 0:06:09 | |
was going through a revolution. | 0:06:09 | 0:06:12 | |
Do this, Viki. HE BLOWS RASPBERRY | 0:06:12 | 0:06:14 | |
CHIMPANZEE BLOWS RASPBERRY | 0:06:14 | 0:06:15 | |
Another sound resembles the letter K. | 0:06:16 | 0:06:20 | |
Viki, sit up, girl. Come on. | 0:06:20 | 0:06:22 | |
Earlier attempts had tried to teach spoken language, for instance. | 0:06:22 | 0:06:26 | |
They don't have... They can't generate the sounds. | 0:06:26 | 0:06:29 | |
They don't have control of the lips and tongue the way we do. | 0:06:30 | 0:06:33 | |
And somebody had the wit to teach sign language, you know, | 0:06:33 | 0:06:37 | |
to his chimp, Washoe. | 0:06:37 | 0:06:39 | |
In the '60s, Washoe was raised like a child by husband and wife | 0:06:41 | 0:06:45 | |
Allen and Beatrix Gardner. | 0:06:45 | 0:06:47 | |
They claimed she could use 350 signs to communicate. | 0:06:49 | 0:06:53 | |
I had attended a lecture by the Gardners at Stanford | 0:06:56 | 0:07:01 | |
and was really interested in that research. | 0:07:01 | 0:07:04 | |
I just felt, this is it, this is what I need to do. | 0:07:05 | 0:07:09 | |
For her PhD, Penny had been visiting San Francisco Zoo | 0:07:12 | 0:07:16 | |
searching for an ape she could teach to sign. | 0:07:16 | 0:07:19 | |
We met with the director and asked if we could work with the gorillas. | 0:07:21 | 0:07:25 | |
We went to see the family - the zoo family - and Koko was in Mom's arms | 0:07:27 | 0:07:33 | |
and she had a sibling who was kind of running around. | 0:07:33 | 0:07:37 | |
Penny asked to work with Koko, | 0:07:37 | 0:07:40 | |
but because gorillas in the wild cling to their mothers | 0:07:40 | 0:07:42 | |
for the first few months of life, | 0:07:42 | 0:07:44 | |
the zoo didn't think it would be fair | 0:07:44 | 0:07:46 | |
to take Koko away from her family. | 0:07:46 | 0:07:48 | |
But when she was just six months old, they were left with no choice. | 0:07:52 | 0:07:56 | |
She was rescued one day from death | 0:08:02 | 0:08:04 | |
and taken to the medical centre for treatment. | 0:08:04 | 0:08:07 | |
She had been strapped down so that they could keep an IV in place | 0:08:08 | 0:08:12 | |
and, basically, save her life. | 0:08:12 | 0:08:14 | |
She contracted shigella, which is a serious intestinal parasite. | 0:08:15 | 0:08:20 | |
The brother to Koko died from it. | 0:08:22 | 0:08:26 | |
Koko was in intensive care and she got through it. | 0:08:26 | 0:08:30 | |
The zoo couldn't return Koko to her mother, | 0:08:33 | 0:08:36 | |
as they feared the group would treat her as an outsider. | 0:08:36 | 0:08:39 | |
So, she was hand-reared for the next six months in the zoo's nursery. | 0:08:39 | 0:08:43 | |
When I came back to the zoo, the keeper recognised me | 0:08:45 | 0:08:49 | |
and said, "Do you want to see Koko?" | 0:08:49 | 0:08:51 | |
And I said, "Of course I do." | 0:08:51 | 0:08:54 | |
And he said, "She's in the children's zoo" | 0:08:54 | 0:08:56 | |
and he took me to see her. | 0:08:56 | 0:08:57 | |
That day, that first day, that we actually got to see her, | 0:09:03 | 0:09:08 | |
she was kind of feisty. | 0:09:08 | 0:09:11 | |
She ran around and gave me a nip on the ankle. | 0:09:11 | 0:09:15 | |
I think, within a few days, Penny started working with Koko | 0:09:18 | 0:09:23 | |
in the nursery at the zoo. | 0:09:23 | 0:09:25 | |
As soon as Penny started to teach sign language to Koko, | 0:09:34 | 0:09:37 | |
Ron began to film, to document their progress. | 0:09:37 | 0:09:40 | |
I decided that it would be good to focus on three signs. | 0:09:44 | 0:09:48 | |
"Eat", "drink" and "more". | 0:09:48 | 0:09:50 | |
Those would come up a lot during keeping Koko going during the day. | 0:09:51 | 0:09:55 | |
Penny began by moulding Koko's hands into different signs, | 0:09:57 | 0:10:01 | |
hoping she would start to use them independently. | 0:10:01 | 0:10:04 | |
It happened pretty fast. | 0:10:04 | 0:10:07 | |
I guess, I was thinking it would take a lot longer, or something. | 0:10:07 | 0:10:11 | |
Early on, Koko picked up around one new sign each month. | 0:10:12 | 0:10:16 | |
Penny made little Koko work. | 0:10:16 | 0:10:20 | |
But Koko was pretty smart. | 0:10:20 | 0:10:22 | |
And soon Penny had noted Koko combining signs to ask for things. | 0:10:26 | 0:10:30 | |
It was like there really was something miraculous happening. | 0:10:34 | 0:10:38 | |
Not quite like stepping on the moon for the first time, | 0:10:38 | 0:10:41 | |
but it was that sort of feeling | 0:10:41 | 0:10:44 | |
that some sort of bridge had been crossed. | 0:10:44 | 0:10:47 | |
Someone really was communicating with an animal | 0:10:48 | 0:10:51 | |
and that animal was communicating back. | 0:10:51 | 0:10:54 | |
I think Koko loved it. | 0:10:56 | 0:10:58 | |
A person that was there with her for so many hours at a time. | 0:10:58 | 0:11:02 | |
So, it was a strong bond to begin with | 0:11:05 | 0:11:08 | |
and, certainly, Koko was very interested in learning language, | 0:11:08 | 0:11:13 | |
or anything at that time. | 0:11:13 | 0:11:15 | |
I think spending their time together with Koko being a baby, | 0:11:20 | 0:11:26 | |
that they bonded the way a mother and a child would bond. | 0:11:26 | 0:11:29 | |
You just don't expect a gorilla to be that way. | 0:11:31 | 0:11:37 | |
You know, everybody thinks King Kong - | 0:11:37 | 0:11:40 | |
big, stupid, dumb-witted | 0:11:40 | 0:11:42 | |
and big and blustery - | 0:11:42 | 0:11:44 | |
and she was small and sweet and creative. | 0:11:44 | 0:11:49 | |
So, it was like raising a kid. | 0:11:53 | 0:11:57 | |
She still very much needed to be on the mom at that age. | 0:11:57 | 0:12:02 | |
KOKO GRUNTS | 0:12:04 | 0:12:07 | |
More than 40 years on, Koko still lives in the same mobile home | 0:12:11 | 0:12:15 | |
she grew up in at the zoo. | 0:12:15 | 0:12:17 | |
But as she's grown to nearly 300 pounds, | 0:12:20 | 0:12:23 | |
the walls have had to be reinforced and a large outside area added. | 0:12:23 | 0:12:27 | |
So, that's how we're going to handle lunch again today... | 0:12:30 | 0:12:35 | |
Whereas wild gorillas will spend hours each day foraging and feeding, | 0:12:35 | 0:12:39 | |
..and then after three it's too late, so then we'll do greens... | 0:12:39 | 0:12:42 | |
Koko's meals are cooked by a team of carers | 0:12:42 | 0:12:45 | |
funded through public donations. | 0:12:45 | 0:12:47 | |
They also give her vitamins, put on her favourite DVDs... | 0:12:47 | 0:12:51 | |
..and even wrap her birthday presents. | 0:12:52 | 0:12:55 | |
The idea of being able to communicate in a shared language | 0:12:59 | 0:13:03 | |
with someone who is not a human - | 0:13:03 | 0:13:07 | |
you're drawn in by that big idea. | 0:13:07 | 0:13:09 | |
And then, when you meet them, it becomes apparent to you | 0:13:10 | 0:13:15 | |
that there is someone inside there that is unique. | 0:13:15 | 0:13:19 | |
I don't think you can walk away when you realise that. | 0:13:21 | 0:13:26 | |
Penny now lives just a few miles from Koko, | 0:13:30 | 0:13:33 | |
so she can spend time with her almost every day. | 0:13:33 | 0:13:36 | |
At the beginning, before I started, | 0:13:38 | 0:13:40 | |
I outlined the project and proposed it to the zoo | 0:13:40 | 0:13:44 | |
and they said, "You're not going to leave after, like, three weeks | 0:13:44 | 0:13:47 | |
"like everybody else, are you?" | 0:13:47 | 0:13:49 | |
And I said, "Oh, no. I'll be here at least four years." | 0:13:49 | 0:13:54 | |
OK. | 0:13:58 | 0:13:59 | |
While Penny drives in and Ron lives on site, | 0:14:02 | 0:14:06 | |
it's unusual for anyone other than the two of them | 0:14:06 | 0:14:08 | |
to go into Koko's enclosure. | 0:14:08 | 0:14:10 | |
But since the crew had started filming, | 0:14:12 | 0:14:14 | |
Koko had been keen to meet them. | 0:14:14 | 0:14:16 | |
OK, you want Johnny to come in? | 0:14:18 | 0:14:20 | |
OK, you're going to be... | 0:14:23 | 0:14:25 | |
..good. | 0:14:25 | 0:14:27 | |
OK. | 0:14:35 | 0:14:36 | |
If you're an animal person, it's like, "Of course!" | 0:14:45 | 0:14:49 | |
But if you're not, it's... "Oh, my God!" kind of response. | 0:14:49 | 0:14:53 | |
"Is this real?" | 0:14:53 | 0:14:56 | |
Smelling my hand? Where are we going? | 0:14:56 | 0:14:59 | |
We want him to go into the other room. Go there. | 0:14:59 | 0:15:03 | |
She takes a lot of care and a lot of time | 0:15:04 | 0:15:07 | |
and that doesn't change over time. | 0:15:07 | 0:15:09 | |
So, we spend as much time almost as we ever did. | 0:15:11 | 0:15:14 | |
Let me just hit record quickly. There you go. | 0:15:15 | 0:15:18 | |
Koko picked up 80 signs in her first two years at the zoo, | 0:15:27 | 0:15:31 | |
but distractions from the public | 0:15:31 | 0:15:33 | |
were making it difficult to progress further. | 0:15:33 | 0:15:36 | |
So, Penny asked if she could take Koko with her | 0:15:36 | 0:15:39 | |
to Stanford University. | 0:15:39 | 0:15:40 | |
We got the zoo to loan Koko to us. | 0:15:43 | 0:15:46 | |
So, in 1974, we moved her down to Stanford. | 0:15:48 | 0:15:54 | |
Now that Koko was on campus, Penny could dedicate all of her time | 0:16:16 | 0:16:20 | |
to the project. | 0:16:20 | 0:16:22 | |
And away from the zoo, Koko's vocabulary increased dramatically. | 0:16:22 | 0:16:27 | |
People tend to learn language at an exponential rate. | 0:16:29 | 0:16:32 | |
Hers was slightly different, but she learned fast. | 0:16:34 | 0:16:38 | |
I mean, she didn't forget things. | 0:16:38 | 0:16:40 | |
It was amazing, every day or every week some new incredible thing | 0:16:46 | 0:16:52 | |
would happen, or new words - she picked them up constantly. | 0:16:52 | 0:16:56 | |
When I first met Koko, I was introduced as a friend. | 0:17:05 | 0:17:08 | |
Which is a sign made like that. | 0:17:08 | 0:17:11 | |
And she saw me, took a really hard look at me | 0:17:11 | 0:17:16 | |
and then signed - "please friend open hurry." | 0:17:16 | 0:17:18 | |
And I was stunned by this. | 0:17:21 | 0:17:24 | |
Both the spontaneity and clarity of her signing | 0:17:25 | 0:17:28 | |
was unlike anything I'd ever seen. | 0:17:28 | 0:17:30 | |
After a year at Stanford, Penny claimed that Koko's vocabulary | 0:17:34 | 0:17:37 | |
had more than doubled to nearly 200 words. | 0:17:37 | 0:17:40 | |
And news of a talking gorilla was spreading through campus. | 0:17:43 | 0:17:48 | |
I was a student at Stanford, an undergraduate, | 0:17:49 | 0:17:51 | |
and a friend of mine said this woman is doing this amazing thing, | 0:17:51 | 0:17:55 | |
teaching sign language to a gorilla. | 0:17:55 | 0:17:57 | |
And I was like, "You have got to be kidding?!" | 0:17:57 | 0:18:00 | |
Going back as far as you can think, | 0:18:02 | 0:18:05 | |
people have tried to know what's the consciousness of an animal. | 0:18:05 | 0:18:09 | |
And so, to suddenly say, here is a project that's actually | 0:18:10 | 0:18:14 | |
operating within that realm is fundamentally fascinating. | 0:18:14 | 0:18:18 | |
So, I met Penny and Koko. | 0:18:21 | 0:18:23 | |
Then I invited them to come up to this ranch here where we are now. | 0:18:25 | 0:18:31 | |
She literally first experienced that level of freedom, | 0:18:34 | 0:18:39 | |
which is to say running around in a very open, wild place. | 0:18:39 | 0:18:44 | |
Unconnected by lead, or chain, or anything else, just nothing on her. | 0:18:44 | 0:18:48 | |
There was something beyond the fact that this was a language experiment | 0:18:52 | 0:18:57 | |
and it was obvious even then. | 0:18:57 | 0:18:59 | |
It seemed like, you know, Penny was in love with Koko | 0:19:04 | 0:19:07 | |
in the way a mother might be in love with her daughter. | 0:19:07 | 0:19:11 | |
Except, you know, your daughter has the strength of ten men. | 0:19:11 | 0:19:15 | |
So, here's Koko's morning update from Ann. | 0:19:18 | 0:19:21 | |
She's having a good morning, she woke up at 9am. | 0:19:21 | 0:19:24 | |
She was already moving... | 0:19:24 | 0:19:25 | |
Now, even when she isn't with Koko, Penny receives regular updates | 0:19:25 | 0:19:29 | |
from her team. | 0:19:29 | 0:19:32 | |
Sophia was successful with breakfast, | 0:19:32 | 0:19:34 | |
she took 26 ounces a fluid. | 0:19:34 | 0:19:38 | |
And she's in a good mood and asking for her visitors. Lots of visitors. | 0:19:38 | 0:19:44 | |
And she's been asking for BBC visitors! | 0:19:44 | 0:19:48 | |
She said, "Do you want a boy or a girl?" | 0:19:48 | 0:19:50 | |
-And so, Koko was kind of, "Boy, boy, boy, boy!" -Yes. -A-ha! | 0:19:50 | 0:19:53 | |
She is dissatisfied with the visitors that they are providing | 0:19:53 | 0:19:56 | |
-and keeps asking for additional visitors. -Better visitors! -Yes! | 0:19:56 | 0:20:01 | |
The ones with the accents! | 0:20:01 | 0:20:02 | |
She's a mother in every form of the word. | 0:20:04 | 0:20:07 | |
I mean, that is her girl and she's going to make sure | 0:20:08 | 0:20:12 | |
that everything that she can possibly do for her is done. | 0:20:12 | 0:20:16 | |
Figure out where Koko is. | 0:20:16 | 0:20:18 | |
-Oh, there she is. -We have a 24-hour camera on Koko. | 0:20:20 | 0:20:24 | |
Penny uses that whenever she is not at the research office. | 0:20:24 | 0:20:29 | |
She's, basically, always monitoring and checking in on Koko. | 0:20:29 | 0:20:33 | |
When I first started working here, that was what hit me | 0:20:36 | 0:20:40 | |
the hardest, is when I'm with Penny here, working here, | 0:20:40 | 0:20:44 | |
that's Penny's work time and when she hits the research office | 0:20:44 | 0:20:47 | |
and goes in with Koko, that's her family time. That's her downtime. | 0:20:47 | 0:20:51 | |
That's not work any more, that's hanging out with her daughter, | 0:20:51 | 0:20:55 | |
hanging out with Ron, that's the unit. | 0:20:55 | 0:20:57 | |
Uh-huh! That's new, it's a tickle stick! Good! | 0:21:02 | 0:21:05 | |
They became a family. | 0:21:06 | 0:21:08 | |
I mean, Koko, Ron and Penny are, in every sense of the word, a family. | 0:21:08 | 0:21:13 | |
Thank you, darling. This is good! Thank you. | 0:21:13 | 0:21:17 | |
You wanted John... To show him. You can have it. | 0:21:17 | 0:21:20 | |
OK. Yes, it's a great tickle stick. | 0:21:20 | 0:21:22 | |
Koko relied on them as much as they needed her. | 0:21:26 | 0:21:30 | |
And to break that up would have been devastating for not only Penny, | 0:21:30 | 0:21:34 | |
but for Koko. | 0:21:34 | 0:21:35 | |
Penny's project had become something far more than a PhD. | 0:21:39 | 0:21:43 | |
But, ultimately, Koko still belonged to San Francisco Zoo. | 0:21:43 | 0:21:47 | |
I guess Koko was on loan. She knew it could end at any time. | 0:21:48 | 0:21:53 | |
But the reality that it really would end | 0:21:54 | 0:21:58 | |
just didn't enter our minds until it happened. | 0:21:58 | 0:22:01 | |
Four years after the project began, | 0:22:04 | 0:22:06 | |
the new director of the zoo was demanding Penny give Koko back. | 0:22:06 | 0:22:11 | |
We, of course, in zoos, attempt to treat them as normal animals | 0:22:13 | 0:22:15 | |
and leave them as wild as they possibly can be | 0:22:15 | 0:22:19 | |
because that's what I think they should be. | 0:22:19 | 0:22:20 | |
That's the way they should be left. | 0:22:20 | 0:22:22 | |
The right thing to do was to take the animal away | 0:22:22 | 0:22:25 | |
out of that project and put it in a family of gorillas. | 0:22:25 | 0:22:28 | |
That's typical zoo mentality in those days. | 0:22:29 | 0:22:32 | |
They had no clue that these animals had emotions like that, | 0:22:32 | 0:22:36 | |
deep emotions. | 0:22:36 | 0:22:37 | |
So, taking Koko away from Penny was nothing to them. | 0:22:37 | 0:22:41 | |
Gorillas like Koko are endangered in the wild, | 0:22:44 | 0:22:48 | |
so some zoos commit to breeding them in captivity. | 0:22:48 | 0:22:51 | |
And that's what they wanted. They wanted Koko back to send her to... | 0:22:51 | 0:22:56 | |
I think it was LA, on a breeding loan. | 0:22:56 | 0:22:58 | |
But I'm sitting there looking at this project at Stanford going, | 0:23:03 | 0:23:07 | |
"How can you possibly treat Koko the same way you would just treat | 0:23:07 | 0:23:13 | |
"any gorilla in any zoo? | 0:23:13 | 0:23:15 | |
"She's been raised by this human from birth, | 0:23:15 | 0:23:18 | |
"not like any other gorilla, and she's been doing this | 0:23:18 | 0:23:20 | |
"language project and you're going to summarily just say, | 0:23:20 | 0:23:23 | |
"'That project's over,' and she's going to go to | 0:23:23 | 0:23:26 | |
"a zoo somewhere to get bred?" I was outraged. | 0:23:26 | 0:23:29 | |
The maternal instincts... | 0:23:31 | 0:23:34 | |
kick in and, you know, not on your life. | 0:23:34 | 0:23:39 | |
When something's important, I do what it takes to make it happen. | 0:23:43 | 0:23:48 | |
And this was probably the most important thing in my life. | 0:23:48 | 0:23:53 | |
And still is. | 0:23:53 | 0:23:54 | |
Penny started a campaign to keep Koko, | 0:23:57 | 0:24:00 | |
trying to get enough support to force the zoo to change its mind. | 0:24:00 | 0:24:03 | |
At that time, the zoo belonged to the city of San Francisco, | 0:24:05 | 0:24:11 | |
so if we could get to the right sort of people politically, | 0:24:11 | 0:24:14 | |
maybe we could do something about it. | 0:24:14 | 0:24:17 | |
And, in fact, through various connections, | 0:24:18 | 0:24:21 | |
we, ultimately, did get to the mayor, who had a lot of power over | 0:24:21 | 0:24:25 | |
the zoo, and we managed to get terms for the acquisition of Koko. | 0:24:25 | 0:24:32 | |
The zoo set a price of 12,500 to buy Koko. | 0:24:36 | 0:24:39 | |
But, because her species is endangered, it would only let | 0:24:43 | 0:24:46 | |
her go if Penny and Ron could find a male as a potential future mate. | 0:24:46 | 0:24:50 | |
And that was their ace in the hole because nobody... | 0:24:54 | 0:24:58 | |
..is allowed to bring gorillas in the country, | 0:24:59 | 0:25:02 | |
no-one in the zoo community has been able to do it. | 0:25:02 | 0:25:05 | |
The 1973 Endangered Species Act set out to protect animals | 0:25:07 | 0:25:11 | |
in their native habitat, preventing the import | 0:25:11 | 0:25:15 | |
and export of animals such as gorillas. | 0:25:15 | 0:25:18 | |
But those in captivity before 1973 could still be moved. | 0:25:18 | 0:25:22 | |
And an animal dealer in Europe was offering a young gorilla | 0:25:24 | 0:25:27 | |
for sale on that basis. | 0:25:27 | 0:25:30 | |
We never really knew the origin of Michael. | 0:25:30 | 0:25:33 | |
He might have, in fact, been captured in the wild. | 0:25:34 | 0:25:37 | |
Maybe his parents were killed, we don't know. | 0:25:37 | 0:25:40 | |
Michael was bought mainly with public donations | 0:25:40 | 0:25:43 | |
and shipped from Vienna to California to meet Koko. | 0:25:43 | 0:25:47 | |
We went up to the airport and Michael... | 0:25:47 | 0:25:53 | |
he just jumped on me, | 0:25:53 | 0:25:55 | |
put his arms around me, and then, he sunk his teeth into my shoulder. | 0:25:55 | 0:26:00 | |
Sunday, 11 o'clock, we are | 0:26:00 | 0:26:03 | |
bringing Mikey in to see Koko for the first time. | 0:26:03 | 0:26:07 | |
We knew that Koko needed a companion. | 0:26:10 | 0:26:13 | |
PENNY LAUGHS | 0:26:13 | 0:26:16 | |
She had to "grow up gorilla" | 0:26:16 | 0:26:18 | |
as well as in an environment that was more complex. | 0:26:18 | 0:26:21 | |
So, they had to work things out socially. | 0:26:23 | 0:26:26 | |
Michael had kind of a harsh beginning. | 0:26:35 | 0:26:37 | |
But he was adorable, | 0:26:39 | 0:26:40 | |
he was just really one of the cutest little gorillas I had ever seen. | 0:26:40 | 0:26:45 | |
Ann Southcombe would look after Michael | 0:26:45 | 0:26:47 | |
and try to teach him to sign. | 0:26:47 | 0:26:49 | |
And when he was old enough, they hoped he and Koko would mate. | 0:26:49 | 0:26:53 | |
I first would ride him on my bike. | 0:26:53 | 0:26:55 | |
I had a platform and he would just sit and hold on to my shoulders. | 0:26:55 | 0:26:59 | |
We got along really well and it was like having my own gorilla. | 0:27:02 | 0:27:07 | |
With the arrival of Michael, | 0:27:09 | 0:27:11 | |
Penny had finally met the conditions to buy Koko through her newly | 0:27:11 | 0:27:14 | |
formed Gorilla Foundation and, | 0:27:14 | 0:27:16 | |
before she had even finished her PhD, | 0:27:16 | 0:27:19 | |
she had suddenly committed to something far bigger than | 0:27:19 | 0:27:22 | |
a language experiment. | 0:27:22 | 0:27:24 | |
I have to laugh at myself. | 0:27:24 | 0:27:25 | |
I saw a family of people walking down the street, | 0:27:25 | 0:27:29 | |
six or seven children and I thought, "Oh, my God, who would ever | 0:27:29 | 0:27:32 | |
"want to tie themselves down with that many kids?" | 0:27:32 | 0:27:35 | |
And then I laughed, because, a minute later I thought, | 0:27:35 | 0:27:38 | |
"What am I doing? I've got myself tied down with gorillas!" | 0:27:38 | 0:27:42 | |
And I just had to laugh because it's the same thing. | 0:27:42 | 0:27:45 | |
It may even be more of a burden but I just... | 0:27:45 | 0:27:49 | |
I love every minute of it. | 0:27:49 | 0:27:51 | |
If I had a job in a bookstore, I would be doing this on my weekends. | 0:27:51 | 0:27:54 | |
What else have we got that I'm forgetting? | 0:27:56 | 0:27:58 | |
Oh, shoot, yes. | 0:27:58 | 0:28:00 | |
It was like raising kids. | 0:28:08 | 0:28:10 | |
I mean, I'd done enough of that with my younger siblings. | 0:28:11 | 0:28:15 | |
I sort of grew up being an assistant to my mom, learning everything | 0:28:20 | 0:28:24 | |
about the diapers, the bottles, the sterilisation in those days. | 0:28:24 | 0:28:28 | |
Everything that was done was like second nature. | 0:28:28 | 0:28:32 | |
There were enough younger siblings that I did it | 0:28:32 | 0:28:35 | |
over and over and over! Erm... | 0:28:35 | 0:28:37 | |
The youngest brother, he was just a few years old | 0:28:38 | 0:28:43 | |
when my mother got cancer. | 0:28:43 | 0:28:45 | |
I came home and, erm, helped take of her. | 0:28:55 | 0:29:00 | |
She passed away when I was a freshman in college. | 0:29:04 | 0:29:08 | |
-Do you ever want children, Penny? -You know, | 0:29:13 | 0:29:17 | |
I sort of did, but then I thought about it. | 0:29:17 | 0:29:20 | |
I don't think I was made for it. | 0:29:25 | 0:29:27 | |
I think I was made for what I'm doing. | 0:29:27 | 0:29:30 | |
Gorillas rely on strong social bonds, | 0:29:35 | 0:29:39 | |
living in groups of up to 30 in the wild. | 0:29:39 | 0:29:41 | |
But, by the time Koko was seven, she couldn't be further from her kind. | 0:29:42 | 0:29:46 | |
Having an article in National Geographic in 1978 | 0:29:48 | 0:29:52 | |
made a big difference. | 0:29:52 | 0:29:55 | |
Koko took the picture that's on the cover of the magazine. | 0:29:55 | 0:29:58 | |
I think she really got famous after that. | 0:30:01 | 0:30:03 | |
Once the media attention of a signing gorilla got out there, | 0:30:06 | 0:30:09 | |
that was the beginnings of this whole thing exploding. | 0:30:09 | 0:30:12 | |
In 1979, seven years after the project began, Penny published | 0:30:15 | 0:30:19 | |
her PhD on the linguistic capabilities of a lowland gorilla, | 0:30:19 | 0:30:24 | |
not only claiming that Koko knew over 300 signs, | 0:30:24 | 0:30:28 | |
but that she used them to convey deep and complex emotions. | 0:30:28 | 0:30:31 | |
Koko has learned to express a number of feeling states. | 0:30:33 | 0:30:37 | |
I routinely ask her how she's feeling in the morning | 0:30:39 | 0:30:42 | |
and some days she says, "Happy, fine." | 0:30:42 | 0:30:44 | |
Other days, "Sad." | 0:30:44 | 0:30:46 | |
Her abilities to simply recognise herself in the mirror, | 0:30:48 | 0:30:52 | |
she is able to point to that image and say, "That's me," | 0:30:52 | 0:30:55 | |
which indicates consciousness itself. | 0:30:55 | 0:30:59 | |
She has this self-consciousness like a person does. | 0:31:00 | 0:31:04 | |
Michael was also making progress with signing. | 0:31:07 | 0:31:11 | |
But, while Penny's findings were seen as a major breakthrough | 0:31:11 | 0:31:13 | |
by the media, there were some scientists who were less convinced. | 0:31:13 | 0:31:17 | |
If you know her and know the context, | 0:31:19 | 0:31:21 | |
it's very easy to believe. Penny believes it. | 0:31:21 | 0:31:25 | |
I think the public probably believes it but, you know, | 0:31:25 | 0:31:30 | |
tell it to a behavioural scientist and they get apoplectic. | 0:31:30 | 0:31:34 | |
And they did...get apoplectic. | 0:31:34 | 0:31:37 | |
I believe that Penny Patterson is an overzealous mother | 0:31:37 | 0:31:41 | |
who is very proud of her surrogate children | 0:31:41 | 0:31:44 | |
and tends very much to project meanings onto those children | 0:31:44 | 0:31:49 | |
that may not be apparent to another observer. | 0:31:49 | 0:31:51 | |
Herb Terrace became the voice of the critics of the experiments. | 0:31:56 | 0:32:00 | |
And he had extra credibility because he had done one. | 0:32:00 | 0:32:03 | |
Professor Herbert Terrace of Columbia University had | 0:32:05 | 0:32:08 | |
conducted a similar language study with a chimp called Nim. | 0:32:08 | 0:32:12 | |
During the first three years of the project, | 0:32:12 | 0:32:15 | |
I was convinced that Nim knew sign language. | 0:32:15 | 0:32:18 | |
In fact, I wrote an article for Science. | 0:32:19 | 0:32:23 | |
It was called Can A Chimpanzee Create A Sentence? | 0:32:23 | 0:32:27 | |
And the implication was yes. | 0:32:27 | 0:32:29 | |
One day, I visited a laboratory and I was watching a videotape | 0:32:31 | 0:32:35 | |
that I had seen many times. | 0:32:35 | 0:32:36 | |
And that was the first time I saw how the teacher prompted | 0:32:39 | 0:32:44 | |
whatever Nim was signing. | 0:32:44 | 0:32:46 | |
When I noticed that there was a simple explanation to Nim signing, | 0:32:52 | 0:32:56 | |
namely that he was responding to prompts, | 0:32:56 | 0:32:59 | |
it was as if this whole... | 0:32:59 | 0:33:01 | |
..empire collapsed. | 0:33:03 | 0:33:04 | |
And that was it. | 0:33:05 | 0:33:07 | |
That's the nature of science. You call it as you see it. | 0:33:11 | 0:33:14 | |
Herb went on to criticise Project Koko, | 0:33:16 | 0:33:18 | |
arguing Koko was just imitating Penny to get rewards. | 0:33:18 | 0:33:23 | |
He wasn't at the periphery, | 0:33:26 | 0:33:28 | |
he wasn't a young graduate student, he was a well-established | 0:33:28 | 0:33:31 | |
scientist and so many people took that as definitive. | 0:33:31 | 0:33:34 | |
From the very beginning of these experiments, there was | 0:33:38 | 0:33:41 | |
a yawning gap between what you could see what these animals were doing | 0:33:41 | 0:33:44 | |
and what you might believe... | 0:33:44 | 0:33:46 | |
And what you could prove these animals were doing. | 0:33:46 | 0:33:49 | |
Koko's situation tended to leave the strict scientific | 0:33:54 | 0:33:59 | |
protocols behind and just were, "Hey, we have this gorilla that does | 0:33:59 | 0:34:05 | |
"have sign language facility, no doubt about it." | 0:34:05 | 0:34:08 | |
You form a very close emotional bond. | 0:34:12 | 0:34:14 | |
They look you in the eye just the way a baby does. | 0:34:16 | 0:34:19 | |
It's as if you're reading their soul and you're assuming that they | 0:34:20 | 0:34:24 | |
understand what you're saying, just as you might with a baby. | 0:34:24 | 0:34:29 | |
But the fact of the matter is, | 0:34:29 | 0:34:32 | |
apes have no idea about another individual's mind. | 0:34:32 | 0:34:36 | |
There are people who see animals as just wind-up toys - | 0:34:38 | 0:34:42 | |
without any consciousness, without any sense of wonder, | 0:34:42 | 0:34:46 | |
ability to think or to communicate. | 0:34:46 | 0:34:48 | |
And, to me, that's a very boring world. | 0:34:48 | 0:34:51 | |
There's no question Penny Patterson has a very powerful | 0:34:54 | 0:34:58 | |
relationship with Koko. | 0:34:58 | 0:35:00 | |
Whether it's the kind that's going to produce language, | 0:35:00 | 0:35:04 | |
that's an entirely different question. | 0:35:04 | 0:35:06 | |
After Herb's findings, parts of the scientific community | 0:35:09 | 0:35:12 | |
were turning their backs on the ape-language experiments. | 0:35:12 | 0:35:16 | |
And, with Penny's PhD now finished, | 0:35:18 | 0:35:21 | |
Stanford were unwilling to let her remain on campus. | 0:35:21 | 0:35:24 | |
The era of the ape-language experiments appeared to be | 0:35:27 | 0:35:30 | |
coming to an end. | 0:35:30 | 0:35:31 | |
I think it just became harder for people to get funding to do things. | 0:35:33 | 0:35:37 | |
You're competing for scarce resources, | 0:35:37 | 0:35:39 | |
it's not going to make it easier if one of the eminences | 0:35:39 | 0:35:43 | |
of the field has basically said this is nonsense. | 0:35:43 | 0:35:45 | |
Nonsense is not worth pursuing. | 0:35:45 | 0:35:47 | |
So, basically, you had two types of scientist. | 0:35:49 | 0:35:53 | |
There were those who would, essentially, abandon their apes | 0:35:53 | 0:35:57 | |
to maintain their ties to the scientific community... | 0:35:57 | 0:36:01 | |
and then, there were those who abandoned their ties to | 0:36:01 | 0:36:05 | |
the scientific community to maintain their ties to the apes. | 0:36:05 | 0:36:08 | |
And Penny falls into that latter group. | 0:36:11 | 0:36:14 | |
Penny moved her gorillas to a new home in Woodside, | 0:36:18 | 0:36:21 | |
where she has carried on with Project Koko ever since, | 0:36:21 | 0:36:24 | |
convinced there is more to an ape's mind than Herb Terrace claimed. | 0:36:24 | 0:36:29 | |
I did actually look at the Nim original tapes. | 0:36:29 | 0:36:34 | |
He WAS signing, but there wasn't one figure for Nim. | 0:36:34 | 0:36:41 | |
There were 25, maybe, that came and went. | 0:36:41 | 0:36:45 | |
It's so difficult because it's based on relationships. | 0:36:47 | 0:36:51 | |
It's not just based on, you know, open the cage, new person, | 0:36:51 | 0:36:55 | |
feed, ask question - they want to talk with someone they like. | 0:36:55 | 0:37:01 | |
Since her PhD, | 0:37:06 | 0:37:08 | |
Penny has only published a small proportion of her data. | 0:37:08 | 0:37:11 | |
But, even now, she and her team make daily notes on Koko's signing | 0:37:15 | 0:37:21 | |
and Ron continues to film everything for their record. | 0:37:21 | 0:37:24 | |
It's a commitment... | 0:37:27 | 0:37:29 | |
..because they are like real people. | 0:37:32 | 0:37:34 | |
And she's dependent on people for everything. | 0:37:37 | 0:37:40 | |
Koko was like a child. She's still like a child. | 0:37:43 | 0:37:47 | |
A child that you have to keep all the time, she never leaves home. | 0:37:47 | 0:37:52 | |
Michael, go get the food ready and Ron will sit right here with you. | 0:37:54 | 0:38:00 | |
Ron, do you ever wonder what life would have been like | 0:38:00 | 0:38:03 | |
if Penny hadn't met Koko? It could have been so different. | 0:38:03 | 0:38:07 | |
I guess it would be today. It's hard to know. | 0:38:07 | 0:38:10 | |
I'm 71 now and that's a long time. | 0:38:10 | 0:38:13 | |
I started with Koko when I was 27. | 0:38:13 | 0:38:16 | |
Since the '80s, there have barely been any new attempts | 0:38:21 | 0:38:24 | |
to teach an ape to sign. | 0:38:24 | 0:38:25 | |
Some of the early experiments continued. | 0:38:27 | 0:38:30 | |
But, today, the field of animal communication has moved on | 0:38:30 | 0:38:33 | |
to how they communicate with each other, rather than with humans. | 0:38:33 | 0:38:37 | |
But recent studies have suggested that | 0:38:44 | 0:38:46 | |
although only Koko and Michael use American Sign Language, gorillas use | 0:38:46 | 0:38:52 | |
more than 100 gestures of their own to communicate within their groups. | 0:38:52 | 0:38:56 | |
Refreshments. One for each gorilla. One for Mikey. | 0:38:59 | 0:39:04 | |
Can you say "drink", Mikey? | 0:39:04 | 0:39:05 | |
You can say "candy". Good. I can help you with drink. OK. | 0:39:07 | 0:39:12 | |
By the time Penny and her gorillas had settled at Woodside, | 0:39:12 | 0:39:14 | |
Koko had reached breeding age... | 0:39:14 | 0:39:16 | |
That was good, but let's leave the glass in one piece. | 0:39:16 | 0:39:18 | |
..but Michael was younger... | 0:39:18 | 0:39:20 | |
Michael, you just are being a bit obnoxious! | 0:39:22 | 0:39:24 | |
..and not yet mature enough to mate. | 0:39:24 | 0:39:26 | |
Koko, calm down. That's enough. | 0:39:29 | 0:39:31 | |
Koko was always wanting to be maternal, even at a young age. | 0:39:37 | 0:39:43 | |
We started by asking her what she wanted for her birthday | 0:39:51 | 0:39:54 | |
awhile back and she was always, "Baby!" | 0:39:54 | 0:39:56 | |
She wanted a real baby, basically. | 0:40:00 | 0:40:03 | |
Someone else to love and take care of. | 0:40:03 | 0:40:06 | |
Gorillas nurse their young for up to three years and, | 0:40:07 | 0:40:10 | |
without offspring of her own, Koko has always been given dolls | 0:40:10 | 0:40:14 | |
and toys to play with and nurture. | 0:40:14 | 0:40:16 | |
OK, come out, kids! | 0:40:16 | 0:40:17 | |
You can do all the scientific studies in the world | 0:40:20 | 0:40:22 | |
and it doesn't reach the masses. | 0:40:22 | 0:40:26 | |
And the public probably doesn't really care if... | 0:40:26 | 0:40:29 | |
"When was the last time you did a double-blind study?" | 0:40:30 | 0:40:34 | |
They DO care to see a gorilla | 0:40:35 | 0:40:38 | |
gently holding a kitten. | 0:40:38 | 0:40:40 | |
One of our volunteers had discovered a litter of kittens. | 0:40:49 | 0:40:54 | |
She was able to just bring them to work and Koko pointed to one, | 0:40:54 | 0:41:01 | |
and then, she continued to select that one. | 0:41:01 | 0:41:04 | |
His full name was All Ball. We called him Ball | 0:41:07 | 0:41:12 | |
because he looked like one. | 0:41:12 | 0:41:14 | |
So, she adopted him and he was just crazy about her. | 0:41:14 | 0:41:18 | |
I think the notion that this immensely powerful animal | 0:41:20 | 0:41:24 | |
would be tender towards this very small | 0:41:24 | 0:41:27 | |
and helpless little creature sort of captures people's imagination. | 0:41:27 | 0:41:31 | |
Around six months, unbeknownst to us, he started leaving the property. | 0:41:38 | 0:41:42 | |
And he was hit by a car on the road. | 0:41:44 | 0:41:46 | |
Koko was devastated. | 0:41:50 | 0:41:52 | |
When she was asked, "Where do you go when you die?" | 0:41:55 | 0:41:58 | |
She signed, "Comfortable hole, goodbye." | 0:41:59 | 0:42:03 | |
And Penny took that as meaning that she understood. | 0:42:03 | 0:42:07 | |
What happened to Ball? | 0:42:07 | 0:42:10 | |
"Koko have sorry, have Koko-love." | 0:42:15 | 0:42:17 | |
"Unattention visit..." He doesn't visit you any more. | 0:42:19 | 0:42:22 | |
Penny's reports of Koko's grief | 0:42:22 | 0:42:25 | |
and search for a new kitten made news around the world. | 0:42:25 | 0:42:29 | |
You tell me what kind of kitty you would like if you get another one. | 0:42:29 | 0:42:33 | |
It looks unbelievable but Koko the gorilla indicated, | 0:42:33 | 0:42:36 | |
several weeks ago, she was ready for a new friend. | 0:42:36 | 0:42:39 | |
OK, she's pointing to this one. | 0:42:39 | 0:42:40 | |
"Cat gorilla have visit Koko-love." | 0:42:44 | 0:42:46 | |
"Good," she'd like to have another cat visit. "DO visit." "Do." OK. | 0:42:48 | 0:42:53 | |
The world has moved towards Penny's point of view, even if | 0:42:53 | 0:42:56 | |
the scientific community doesn't want to acknowledge | 0:42:56 | 0:42:58 | |
Penny's point of view. | 0:42:58 | 0:43:00 | |
Public opinion is really much more open to animal intelligence | 0:43:00 | 0:43:04 | |
than the scientific community. | 0:43:04 | 0:43:07 | |
A 15-stone female gorilla called Koko was given a new baby today, | 0:43:07 | 0:43:11 | |
a tiny ginger kitten she had chosen from a picture. | 0:43:11 | 0:43:14 | |
You know, the media, it was saturated. | 0:43:15 | 0:43:18 | |
It was turned into a children's book. | 0:43:20 | 0:43:24 | |
Which was used in schools in 48 of the 50 states. | 0:43:24 | 0:43:29 | |
So, every Third Grader would get to read Koko's Kitten. | 0:43:29 | 0:43:33 | |
They loved it. We got letters and letters like you wouldn't believe. | 0:43:35 | 0:43:39 | |
For a time, there was a generation... | 0:43:42 | 0:43:46 | |
If you were to say Gorilla Foundation, "Never heard of it." | 0:43:46 | 0:43:49 | |
If you were to say my name, "Never heard of it." | 0:43:49 | 0:43:52 | |
If you were to say "gorilla and kitten" or "Koko and kitten", | 0:43:52 | 0:43:56 | |
they had heard of it. | 0:43:56 | 0:43:57 | |
There, there! | 0:43:57 | 0:43:59 | |
Koko now was a very famous gorilla. | 0:44:02 | 0:44:05 | |
It's not like the days at Stanford when | 0:44:05 | 0:44:07 | |
she could walk around unrecognised. Koko is a very... | 0:44:07 | 0:44:10 | |
She's been on the cover of National Geographic magazine twice. | 0:44:10 | 0:44:15 | |
Would you sign your name? | 0:44:15 | 0:44:17 | |
That's better. That's much better. | 0:44:17 | 0:44:20 | |
That's very good. | 0:44:20 | 0:44:22 | |
Koko was now known the world over. | 0:44:22 | 0:44:24 | |
But, in her lifetime, | 0:44:26 | 0:44:27 | |
two thirds of Western lowland gorillas had died out. | 0:44:27 | 0:44:31 | |
OK, now would you like to do some colouring? | 0:44:31 | 0:44:35 | |
And fame was turning Koko into an ambassador for the plight | 0:44:35 | 0:44:38 | |
of a species she'd barely met. | 0:44:38 | 0:44:41 | |
Tell me what you want me to do. | 0:44:41 | 0:44:43 | |
-Oh. -PENNY LAUGHS | 0:44:45 | 0:44:46 | |
-Where is he? -He's inside. | 0:44:48 | 0:44:51 | |
-Does he... Does she understand when you speak? -Oh, yeah. | 0:44:51 | 0:44:53 | |
'Being in the media made it much easier to raise money to | 0:45:01 | 0:45:04 | |
'support the project.' | 0:45:04 | 0:45:05 | |
Oh, she wants to see nipples. | 0:45:07 | 0:45:08 | |
'And I learned that, in order to keep it going, to grow, | 0:45:08 | 0:45:13 | |
'you need to continue to work with the media.' | 0:45:13 | 0:45:16 | |
The high public profile helped her gain some funding. | 0:45:18 | 0:45:21 | |
But you choose a path, you have to keep doing it. | 0:45:23 | 0:45:26 | |
And you have to keep going year after year after year. | 0:45:27 | 0:45:30 | |
Koko became the most famous gorilla in the world. | 0:45:35 | 0:45:39 | |
She had her own range of toys and even her own credit card. | 0:45:39 | 0:45:43 | |
But her life was moving further | 0:45:45 | 0:45:46 | |
and further away from that of a gorilla in its natural environment. | 0:45:46 | 0:45:51 | |
There's a good side and a bad side, obviously, to branding an animal... | 0:45:51 | 0:45:56 | |
Nothing... Again, nothing's black and white. | 0:45:58 | 0:46:02 | |
I think the good side is she has raised | 0:46:02 | 0:46:04 | |
a lot of awareness for gorillas. | 0:46:04 | 0:46:07 | |
People might not care about gorillas if it wasn't for what they've | 0:46:07 | 0:46:10 | |
learned through Koko. | 0:46:10 | 0:46:12 | |
But Koko really was born in captivity, so she has never seen | 0:46:14 | 0:46:19 | |
a gorilla group and gorillas that have to survive as gorillas, so... | 0:46:19 | 0:46:24 | |
GORILLA CHATTERS | 0:46:24 | 0:46:26 | |
We're going to put the footstool here. | 0:46:29 | 0:46:32 | |
The thing she's missing is just being a gorilla. | 0:46:32 | 0:46:35 | |
We were looking forward to Koko having a family of her own. | 0:46:40 | 0:46:43 | |
Baby. | 0:46:47 | 0:46:49 | |
You were playing nicely with the baby. | 0:46:56 | 0:46:59 | |
Wild gorillas usually begin to reproduce around the age of ten | 0:47:00 | 0:47:03 | |
and every four years after that. | 0:47:03 | 0:47:05 | |
But, by the time Koko was 20, | 0:47:07 | 0:47:09 | |
she still had not mated with Michael, her childhood companion. | 0:47:09 | 0:47:13 | |
One of us asked her, "Why don't you want to mate with Michael?" | 0:47:14 | 0:47:19 | |
And the fact is that she considered Michael a brother | 0:47:19 | 0:47:24 | |
and gorilla females do have an incest taboo. | 0:47:24 | 0:47:28 | |
Penny made it her mission to try to find a new mate for Koko. | 0:47:32 | 0:47:36 | |
We're going to put on a videotape, do you know how to do that? | 0:47:36 | 0:47:39 | |
You got it out of the case, good. Now, where do we put it? | 0:47:41 | 0:47:44 | |
Even showing her videos of potential suitors from zoos around the world. | 0:47:44 | 0:47:48 | |
It's a gorilla! | 0:47:48 | 0:47:49 | |
KOKO KISSES THE SCREEN | 0:47:51 | 0:47:53 | |
You kiss him. | 0:47:53 | 0:47:54 | |
I went to zoo meetings and I made a plea for a gorilla family | 0:47:54 | 0:47:58 | |
and they just kind of laughed me off the stage but one of them | 0:47:58 | 0:48:02 | |
took pity on me and said, "Well, I have a male gorilla." | 0:48:02 | 0:48:06 | |
Cincinnati Zoo agreed to loan a male called Ndume | 0:48:13 | 0:48:17 | |
to the Gorilla Foundation. | 0:48:17 | 0:48:18 | |
And he was flown to California with the hope he would mate with Koko. | 0:48:20 | 0:48:23 | |
-NEWSREADER: -'And, finally, to America | 0:48:25 | 0:48:27 | |
'where it's claimed a famous gorilla | 0:48:27 | 0:48:28 | |
'called Koko has found a new mate through video dating.' | 0:48:28 | 0:48:32 | |
OK, here it comes. | 0:48:34 | 0:48:35 | |
You can go in, Koko. | 0:48:44 | 0:48:45 | |
CAMERA SHUTTER CLICKS | 0:49:02 | 0:49:04 | |
Just having Koko raised by a human from birth, | 0:49:30 | 0:49:34 | |
and then a gorilla brought in from wherever... | 0:49:34 | 0:49:37 | |
..doesn't automatically mean you're going to get a baby. | 0:49:39 | 0:49:42 | |
I don't know who Koko identifies with. | 0:49:48 | 0:49:51 | |
I don't know who she daydreams about. | 0:49:52 | 0:49:55 | |
I would expect that, as a female, | 0:49:55 | 0:49:59 | |
she'd want to have a baby of some sort. | 0:49:59 | 0:50:02 | |
But she might be a little confused about with whom. | 0:50:02 | 0:50:05 | |
She knows she's a gorilla and she does like Ndume. | 0:50:17 | 0:50:23 | |
But she likes people, too. | 0:50:25 | 0:50:27 | |
So, she's, like, in both worlds. | 0:50:29 | 0:50:31 | |
Koko and Ndume have never produced offspring. | 0:50:35 | 0:50:38 | |
OK, look. This is the one Koko licked. | 0:50:38 | 0:50:41 | |
But Penny still hasn't given up hope that Koko can have a family | 0:50:41 | 0:50:45 | |
-with him. -That's the one! | 0:50:45 | 0:50:47 | |
That's the one. OK, so, Koko wants to have a gorilla family. | 0:50:47 | 0:50:52 | |
'That's still her biggest wish.' | 0:50:52 | 0:50:56 | |
And she would like to have a baby to raise. She pointed to that. | 0:50:56 | 0:51:00 | |
Right here. She pointed to that one. | 0:51:00 | 0:51:02 | |
That would give her a focus, she'd be a lovely mother. | 0:51:04 | 0:51:09 | |
Ndume still lives at the Gorilla Foundation, | 0:51:15 | 0:51:19 | |
but Michael has passed away. | 0:51:19 | 0:51:21 | |
And now, when Penny isn't there, | 0:51:23 | 0:51:25 | |
Koko always has a carer with her during the day. | 0:51:25 | 0:51:28 | |
But who? | 0:51:29 | 0:51:31 | |
KOKO KISSES | 0:51:31 | 0:51:34 | |
You'll have a visit soon, yeah. | 0:51:34 | 0:51:36 | |
But she doesn't often see new people | 0:51:36 | 0:51:39 | |
and had been asking for a visit from the crew. | 0:51:39 | 0:51:42 | |
Hi, Koko. How are you? | 0:51:44 | 0:51:46 | |
KOKO PURRS | 0:51:46 | 0:51:48 | |
Very happy, huh? | 0:51:50 | 0:51:51 | |
Oh, are you in a good mood? | 0:51:51 | 0:51:53 | |
I'll just set up. | 0:51:53 | 0:51:54 | |
Oh, is my shirt coming down? | 0:51:58 | 0:52:00 | |
What you doing in there, Koko? | 0:52:04 | 0:52:08 | |
Are you working me out? SHE PURRS | 0:52:08 | 0:52:10 | |
Koko, you're tickling him. | 0:52:14 | 0:52:16 | |
OK. Koko, you don't like people touching you. | 0:52:16 | 0:52:20 | |
You have to be the same. | 0:52:20 | 0:52:22 | |
Tickles, tickles and more tickles. | 0:52:24 | 0:52:26 | |
So, you having a nice day, Koko? | 0:52:28 | 0:52:30 | |
Is there anything you regret, Penny? | 0:52:32 | 0:52:34 | |
Giving Koko a baby. You know, providing a family. | 0:52:38 | 0:52:41 | |
I think that's her regret. | 0:52:45 | 0:52:47 | |
She wants to be a mom. | 0:52:53 | 0:52:54 | |
# Happy birthday to you | 0:52:59 | 0:53:03 | |
# Happy birthday to you | 0:53:03 | 0:53:07 | |
# Happy birthday, dear Koko | 0:53:07 | 0:53:11 | |
# Happy birthday to you. # | 0:53:13 | 0:53:16 | |
You feel very conscious that this wasn't Koko's choice. | 0:53:19 | 0:53:22 | |
Oh, yeah, it wasn't, it was mine. | 0:53:22 | 0:53:26 | |
It was an opportunity that, well, was just amazing. | 0:53:28 | 0:53:34 | |
It doesn't mean that it's, you know, the best thing for her. | 0:53:36 | 0:53:40 | |
You know, she'd be more fulfilled | 0:53:42 | 0:53:44 | |
if we had been successful building a family group here. | 0:53:44 | 0:53:48 | |
-That's it! -Yay! | 0:53:51 | 0:53:54 | |
It may never be possible to establish with certainty just | 0:53:59 | 0:54:02 | |
how much Koko can communicate with humans, | 0:54:02 | 0:54:06 | |
but her life continues to challenge just what it is that makes | 0:54:06 | 0:54:10 | |
humans distinct from other animals. | 0:54:10 | 0:54:13 | |
I think we're living in a different world than the world that | 0:54:13 | 0:54:16 | |
prevailed at the point at which these experiments got going. | 0:54:16 | 0:54:19 | |
It was a world where, really, | 0:54:19 | 0:54:22 | |
animals did not get the benefit of the doubt in terms of | 0:54:22 | 0:54:24 | |
acknowledging that maybe they might have higher mental abilities. | 0:54:24 | 0:54:28 | |
And then, think of where we are today, | 0:54:28 | 0:54:30 | |
it's an entirely different world. | 0:54:30 | 0:54:32 | |
Now, in what's thought to be a legal first, | 0:54:32 | 0:54:34 | |
a US animal-rights group is calling on a New York court | 0:54:34 | 0:54:38 | |
to recognise a chimpanzee as a legal person. | 0:54:38 | 0:54:42 | |
Where the line is drawn between humans | 0:54:42 | 0:54:44 | |
and other apes has been at the heart of Project Koko since it began. | 0:54:44 | 0:54:48 | |
A court in Argentina has ruled that an orang-utan can be granted | 0:54:48 | 0:54:52 | |
some of the legal rights enjoyed by humans. | 0:54:52 | 0:54:54 | |
And now what separates us from our closest relatives is being | 0:54:54 | 0:54:58 | |
argued in the courts, | 0:54:58 | 0:55:00 | |
with some campaigning for apes to be treated as individuals | 0:55:00 | 0:55:03 | |
with rights of their own. | 0:55:03 | 0:55:05 | |
There's an ongoing question about whether we should keep | 0:55:06 | 0:55:09 | |
an intelligent great ape in captivity. | 0:55:09 | 0:55:11 | |
Is it fair for Koko to be somewhat isolated from other apes? | 0:55:13 | 0:55:17 | |
I think that ship sailed so many years ago that you can't go back. | 0:55:18 | 0:55:22 | |
I think Project Koko shows, you know, | 0:55:29 | 0:55:31 | |
these are sensitive animals, they're highly intelligent animals | 0:55:31 | 0:55:34 | |
and you can't just dump them in a cage and leave them there. | 0:55:34 | 0:55:39 | |
Gorilla! | 0:55:39 | 0:55:40 | |
We evolve as a species and we do get more compassionate | 0:55:40 | 0:55:45 | |
and we are becoming more compassionate. | 0:55:45 | 0:55:47 | |
Anything that opens the eyes of humans | 0:55:50 | 0:55:53 | |
that these animals feel and think and love life is a plus. | 0:55:53 | 0:55:59 | |
You know, to make us a more compassionate species. | 0:55:59 | 0:56:02 | |
Remember that old car? Oh, my God. | 0:56:08 | 0:56:11 | |
Oh, my God, it's disgusting. | 0:56:11 | 0:56:14 | |
I wouldn't want every gorilla to be a signing human gorilla but, | 0:56:14 | 0:56:19 | |
boy, I'm glad she's here. And the dedication Penny has, | 0:56:19 | 0:56:22 | |
it's something that will never happen again. | 0:56:22 | 0:56:25 | |
Whatever it is, it's not a good idea. | 0:56:25 | 0:56:27 | |
There's something special about gorillas being gorillas. | 0:56:29 | 0:56:33 | |
But there's also something very special about Koko. | 0:56:34 | 0:56:37 | |
-Want to climb up there? -She's not a pet, you know? | 0:56:44 | 0:56:46 | |
She's an individual person with her own... | 0:56:46 | 0:56:50 | |
ability to communicate and have feelings and all those things. | 0:56:50 | 0:56:53 | |
There's mosquitoes in these woods. | 0:56:57 | 0:56:58 | |
The statistics and when she learned | 0:56:58 | 0:57:00 | |
100 words to 1,000 words, nobody's going to really remember that | 0:57:00 | 0:57:05 | |
and it's not going to change their behaviour. | 0:57:05 | 0:57:07 | |
But the fact that Koko can love, that we can love each other | 0:57:15 | 0:57:19 | |
even though we're difference species, | 0:57:19 | 0:57:21 | |
really gets people thinking deeply about life. | 0:57:21 | 0:57:28 | |
And that's what we need to do. | 0:57:31 | 0:57:33 |