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CHILD COUGHS | 0:00:02 | 0:00:04 | |
We are in the middle of an allergy epidemic. | 0:00:06 | 0:00:08 | |
-MAN: -Look up, lift your chin. | 0:00:08 | 0:00:09 | |
One in three of us suffer from allergies like eczema, | 0:00:10 | 0:00:13 | |
asthma or hay fever... | 0:00:13 | 0:00:15 | |
-CHILD COUGHS -Just going to do the last bit on your face. | 0:00:15 | 0:00:18 | |
..and they send more than 20,000 of us to hospital every year. | 0:00:18 | 0:00:22 | |
To find out why, | 0:00:27 | 0:00:29 | |
Horizon has pushed the very latest science to the limits... | 0:00:29 | 0:00:32 | |
..with an extraordinary experiment. | 0:00:34 | 0:00:37 | |
Every aspect of the lives of two allergic families | 0:00:39 | 0:00:42 | |
have been put under the microscope... | 0:00:42 | 0:00:44 | |
-BOY: -Jasper! | 0:00:44 | 0:00:46 | |
-MAN: -Aah! No! | 0:00:48 | 0:00:49 | |
..in order to find out why so many of us are becoming allergic. | 0:00:49 | 0:00:54 | |
-MAN: -And jump! Yeah, good boy. | 0:01:09 | 0:01:11 | |
We've rigged our two families' homes, and everyone in them, | 0:01:13 | 0:01:16 | |
with mini cameras. | 0:01:16 | 0:01:18 | |
And we've tracked their movements with GPS. | 0:01:20 | 0:01:22 | |
Morning! | 0:01:22 | 0:01:24 | |
-CHILD: -Morning. | 0:01:24 | 0:01:25 | |
We're going to follow Caroline, Freya, Joe and Danny. | 0:01:28 | 0:01:33 | |
JOE: This is me doing my medicines. | 0:01:34 | 0:01:36 | |
And Dana, Paul, Morgan and his baby brother, Jenson. | 0:01:38 | 0:01:43 | |
You can have some Piriton. | 0:01:45 | 0:01:47 | |
Between them, they have an impressive array of allergies. | 0:01:48 | 0:01:52 | |
I've got nuts... | 0:01:56 | 0:01:58 | |
I've got cats and dogs, and dust mites. | 0:01:58 | 0:02:02 | |
Eggs... | 0:02:04 | 0:02:05 | |
The...kiwi... | 0:02:06 | 0:02:07 | |
Avocado... | 0:02:09 | 0:02:10 | |
Banana. | 0:02:11 | 0:02:12 | |
Can you eat dairy? What about nuts and soya? | 0:02:14 | 0:02:18 | |
Is that everything? | 0:02:18 | 0:02:19 | |
-More. -More? -Is there anything else? | 0:02:19 | 0:02:21 | |
-Lots more. -Lots more. | 0:02:21 | 0:02:23 | |
MORGAN SQUEAKS | 0:02:23 | 0:02:25 | |
Latex, dust, cats, dogs, pollen and horses? | 0:02:25 | 0:02:30 | |
-Yes...I think that's it. -So quite an extensive list! | 0:02:30 | 0:02:34 | |
Boo! Boo! JENSON GURGLES | 0:02:34 | 0:02:37 | |
Extensive it may be, but it's the impact it has on their daily lives | 0:02:37 | 0:02:41 | |
that's both surprising and shocking. | 0:02:41 | 0:02:44 | |
I wash and clean and Hoover twice a day, and sweep as much as I can. | 0:02:49 | 0:02:54 | |
Well, literally, all of his clothing are 100% cotton | 0:02:55 | 0:02:58 | |
and he's got this all-in-one eczema top that covers his hands. | 0:02:58 | 0:03:02 | |
We had this bed built so it was much higher up, | 0:03:02 | 0:03:05 | |
so he wasn't at dust level. | 0:03:05 | 0:03:08 | |
He's also got all-in-one sort of leggings. | 0:03:08 | 0:03:10 | |
They even do a balaclava, but he wouldn't wear that now at his age. | 0:03:10 | 0:03:15 | |
As soon as he's up, out of bed in the mornings, | 0:03:15 | 0:03:17 | |
I have to take all the bedding off, give it a Hoover. | 0:03:17 | 0:03:20 | |
And he has to soak in the bath for about ten to 15 minutes. | 0:03:20 | 0:03:24 | |
And all his soft toys we have to wash as well, | 0:03:24 | 0:03:26 | |
just to make sure that there's no dust on them. | 0:03:26 | 0:03:28 | |
And then go in the living room and do his creams. | 0:03:28 | 0:03:30 | |
It is hard to fit it all in, but I think it does become | 0:03:35 | 0:03:38 | |
a way of life that, you know, we just get used to doing it. | 0:03:38 | 0:03:41 | |
Because we're following our families 24 hours a day, | 0:03:44 | 0:03:47 | |
we'll know where they go and what they do... | 0:03:47 | 0:03:50 | |
..allowing us to try and shed light on why they may be allergic. | 0:03:51 | 0:03:55 | |
-SHOUTS: -Coming, ready or not! | 0:03:56 | 0:03:58 | |
JOE EXHALES DEEPLY | 0:03:58 | 0:04:00 | |
-DANNY: -'Yeah, I've never heard of this like this, years and years ago, | 0:04:02 | 0:04:06 | |
'so why is it all happening now?' | 0:04:06 | 0:04:08 | |
-DANA: -Ready...jump! Oh! | 0:04:08 | 0:04:11 | |
And it makes you wonder is there something that we're doing or | 0:04:11 | 0:04:14 | |
is it something that we're putting on our kids without us even knowing? | 0:04:14 | 0:04:20 | |
CAROLINE: 'I kind of think to myself, | 0:04:24 | 0:04:26 | |
' "Was it the births that could have caused his problems?" | 0:04:26 | 0:04:29 | |
'because his birth was quite traumatic.' | 0:04:29 | 0:04:31 | |
I'm convinced it might have something to do with it | 0:04:32 | 0:04:34 | |
cos that's the only thing I can think that I've done differently. | 0:04:34 | 0:04:37 | |
-CHILD PANTS -Might be a good time to... -Do you need your pump? | 0:04:37 | 0:04:40 | |
-Do you need your pump? -I'll get his pump. | 0:04:40 | 0:04:44 | |
As our families search for answers, | 0:04:44 | 0:04:46 | |
so too are scientists around the world. | 0:04:46 | 0:04:50 | |
SEAGULLS SQUAWK | 0:04:50 | 0:04:52 | |
Scientists like Professor Syed Hasan Arshad | 0:05:02 | 0:05:06 | |
from the University of Southampton. | 0:05:06 | 0:05:08 | |
He has studied the allergic health of people across Britain | 0:05:12 | 0:05:15 | |
for the past 20 years. | 0:05:15 | 0:05:18 | |
So allergic diseases have gone up significantly | 0:05:27 | 0:05:31 | |
in the last three decades. | 0:05:31 | 0:05:33 | |
Asthma, for example, was 1% or less in the 1950s. | 0:05:33 | 0:05:38 | |
In the 1980s, most studies show that asthma prevalence has gone up to 10% | 0:05:39 | 0:05:44 | |
or, even 12% to 13% in children and about 7% to 8% in adults. | 0:05:44 | 0:05:50 | |
There has been a tenfold increase over a 30-year period. | 0:05:50 | 0:05:55 | |
Today, between 25% and 30% of people in the UK | 0:05:56 | 0:06:01 | |
suffer from one or more allergies, | 0:06:01 | 0:06:03 | |
from hay fever to asthma, eczema to food allergies. | 0:06:03 | 0:06:07 | |
'Allergies which used to be rare are now part and parcel | 0:06:09 | 0:06:13 | |
'of our daily life.' | 0:06:13 | 0:06:15 | |
Now, that increase cannot be assigned to genetics | 0:06:15 | 0:06:21 | |
because our genetics doesn't change over three decades. | 0:06:21 | 0:06:25 | |
It takes thousands of years to change, | 0:06:25 | 0:06:28 | |
so something must have changed in our environment | 0:06:28 | 0:06:32 | |
that influenced our genetics in such a way | 0:06:32 | 0:06:35 | |
that the allergic diseases developed. | 0:06:35 | 0:06:38 | |
But that environmental change | 0:06:45 | 0:06:46 | |
is specific only to Westernised countries like the UK. | 0:06:46 | 0:06:50 | |
The studies have shown very intriguing findings. | 0:06:52 | 0:06:55 | |
If a family moves from a developing world to a developed country, | 0:06:55 | 0:06:59 | |
the risk of allergy generally goes up. | 0:06:59 | 0:07:03 | |
This pattern is seen across the Western world, | 0:07:10 | 0:07:13 | |
from America to Italy, Australia to the UK. | 0:07:13 | 0:07:16 | |
One study found that immigrants' risk of developing allergies | 0:07:18 | 0:07:22 | |
rocketed more than threefold after living in a developed country | 0:07:22 | 0:07:25 | |
for ten years. | 0:07:25 | 0:07:27 | |
So there is something with the urbanisation, | 0:07:32 | 0:07:36 | |
something with the Western lifestyle | 0:07:36 | 0:07:39 | |
that tends to influence the risk of allergy. | 0:07:39 | 0:07:42 | |
In the last few years, a new theory has emerged that could help explain | 0:07:44 | 0:07:49 | |
why not just our families, but one in three of all of us | 0:07:49 | 0:07:52 | |
are becoming allergic. | 0:07:52 | 0:07:53 | |
Where was it? | 0:07:54 | 0:07:55 | |
There's got to be some deer poo here somewhere. | 0:07:55 | 0:07:57 | |
I can't find any now. | 0:07:59 | 0:08:01 | |
There's some poo of some sort there. | 0:08:03 | 0:08:04 | |
This is immunologist, Professor Graham Rook. | 0:08:09 | 0:08:11 | |
And he believes that the most prolific organisms on the planet | 0:08:15 | 0:08:18 | |
are behind the allergy epidemic. | 0:08:18 | 0:08:21 | |
Deer poo! | 0:08:21 | 0:08:22 | |
Micro-organisms, like bacteria and fungi. | 0:08:23 | 0:08:28 | |
It is calculated that the animal kingdom deposits on this planet | 0:08:29 | 0:08:34 | |
something like 14 billion tonnes of faeces per year. | 0:08:34 | 0:08:38 | |
Now, faeces contain an enormous number of bacteria | 0:08:38 | 0:08:41 | |
and also an enormous number of bacterial spores. | 0:08:41 | 0:08:43 | |
But these bacteria aren't just found in faeces. | 0:08:45 | 0:08:48 | |
Well, of course, the micro-organisms in bacteria in particular | 0:08:48 | 0:08:52 | |
are absolutely everywhere. | 0:08:52 | 0:08:53 | |
Even the air is full of bacteria. | 0:08:53 | 0:08:55 | |
I mean, there are at least, on a day like this, in this park, | 0:09:05 | 0:09:07 | |
I don't know... | 0:09:07 | 0:09:09 | |
100,000, or maybe even a million per cubic metre of air. | 0:09:09 | 0:09:12 | |
And if you're in the vicinity of animals, | 0:09:13 | 0:09:15 | |
if one were in amongst the herd of deer over there, | 0:09:15 | 0:09:17 | |
there would probably be... ten million. | 0:09:17 | 0:09:19 | |
The problem is, modern living is separating us from microbiota, | 0:09:26 | 0:09:30 | |
like these. | 0:09:30 | 0:09:32 | |
Nowadays we live in a world where those organisms | 0:09:34 | 0:09:37 | |
from the natural environment are almost completely absent. | 0:09:37 | 0:09:40 | |
You eat your squeaky-clean apple from the supermarket | 0:09:40 | 0:09:43 | |
and you live in a steel and glass enclosure with air-conditioning, | 0:09:43 | 0:09:47 | |
and you're just not encountering the right microbiota. | 0:09:47 | 0:09:51 | |
It's this reduced exposure to microbes that Rook believes | 0:09:55 | 0:09:59 | |
is impacting our immune systems and making us more allergic. | 0:09:59 | 0:10:02 | |
Now Horizon is seeing if the theory plays out in the real world. | 0:10:03 | 0:10:07 | |
CAROLINE: Right now, take it out. Do it slowly. | 0:10:09 | 0:10:13 | |
Then concentrate on putting it back in. | 0:10:13 | 0:10:16 | |
As part of our experiment, we're not only tracking our families... | 0:10:17 | 0:10:21 | |
CAROLINE: Very quick at that. | 0:10:21 | 0:10:23 | |
..we've also asked them to swab the bacteria on their bodies | 0:10:23 | 0:10:26 | |
and throughout their homes. | 0:10:26 | 0:10:27 | |
Over the coming weeks, | 0:10:37 | 0:10:39 | |
microbiologist Dr Lindsay Hall is going to examine the results. | 0:10:39 | 0:10:44 | |
What happens is that we basically take these samples, | 0:10:44 | 0:10:47 | |
we mash them all up and then we extract the microbial DNA. | 0:10:47 | 0:10:51 | |
We then put this DNA into a sequencing machine | 0:10:51 | 0:10:54 | |
that's able to tell us what the DNA sequence is. | 0:10:54 | 0:10:57 | |
We can then do some very fancy analysis on this | 0:10:57 | 0:11:00 | |
that then will be able to tell us exactly what bacterial species | 0:11:00 | 0:11:03 | |
are present in each of our family members. | 0:11:03 | 0:11:06 | |
So I'll know then, we'll know their bacterial communities before I actually meet them face-to-face, | 0:11:06 | 0:11:11 | |
so I'm really looking forward to that. | 0:11:11 | 0:11:13 | |
Lindsay is hoping that these bacterial communities | 0:11:14 | 0:11:16 | |
will give our families some answers as to why they may be allergic. | 0:11:16 | 0:11:21 | |
To understand this, | 0:11:27 | 0:11:28 | |
we need to understand what happens during an allergic reaction. | 0:11:28 | 0:11:32 | |
Whatever it is that triggers the response, | 0:11:34 | 0:11:36 | |
whether it's eggs, nuts or dust mites, | 0:11:36 | 0:11:39 | |
the reaction in the body is very similar. | 0:11:39 | 0:11:42 | |
So, first of all, I'm just going to write some marks on here. | 0:11:43 | 0:11:47 | |
One, two, three, ten, 11, 12... | 0:11:47 | 0:11:54 | |
This is consultant paediatric allergist, Dr Adam Fox. | 0:11:57 | 0:12:01 | |
This first one, we're actually going to use fresh milk | 0:12:03 | 0:12:07 | |
and also some fresh raw egg. | 0:12:07 | 0:12:10 | |
Today, he is using a skin prick test | 0:12:12 | 0:12:14 | |
to initiate a very small allergic reaction in his patient | 0:12:14 | 0:12:17 | |
to find out exactly what she's allergic to. | 0:12:17 | 0:12:19 | |
Next, we've got some tahini, which is a pure form of sesame, | 0:12:21 | 0:12:25 | |
all crushed up. | 0:12:25 | 0:12:26 | |
So, I'm just going to put a little bit of that there. | 0:12:26 | 0:12:28 | |
'An allergy is an inappropriate response by our immune system - | 0:12:28 | 0:12:32 | |
'which is really designed to protect us | 0:12:32 | 0:12:34 | |
'from things such as germs and viruses,' | 0:12:34 | 0:12:36 | |
to something that's supposed to be harmless. | 0:12:36 | 0:12:38 | |
For example, pollen or foods like peanut or milk, | 0:12:38 | 0:12:41 | |
and this can cause a whole variety of different symptoms, | 0:12:41 | 0:12:44 | |
some of which can be potentially life-threatening. | 0:12:44 | 0:12:46 | |
Let me know if it hurts - I'll be as gentle as I can. | 0:12:50 | 0:12:52 | |
If you are allergic to say, eggs, | 0:12:52 | 0:12:55 | |
when you come into contact with them, | 0:12:55 | 0:12:57 | |
your immune system goes into overdrive. | 0:12:57 | 0:12:59 | |
You OK there? | 0:12:59 | 0:13:00 | |
-Yeah. -Good. | 0:13:00 | 0:13:02 | |
If there is an allergy, what will normally happen is | 0:13:02 | 0:13:04 | |
what's called a wheal and flare reaction, | 0:13:04 | 0:13:07 | |
which is a little itchy bump with some redness round it. | 0:13:07 | 0:13:10 | |
This localised reaction happens just under the skin's surface, | 0:13:10 | 0:13:15 | |
where in this case, the egg allergen binds to | 0:13:15 | 0:13:18 | |
its specific allergic antibody, called IgE... | 0:13:18 | 0:13:22 | |
..and this triggers the release of histamine. | 0:13:23 | 0:13:26 | |
The effect that histamine has depends on which parts of the body it's acting on. | 0:13:32 | 0:13:35 | |
So, for example, histamine in the skin will cause itchy spots. | 0:13:35 | 0:13:38 | |
If it's released more deeply in the skin then it may cause swelling, | 0:13:38 | 0:13:41 | |
something we call angioedema, and that could be quite dangerous | 0:13:41 | 0:13:44 | |
if, for example, it's around the tongue or the throat. | 0:13:44 | 0:13:47 | |
But if you're unlucky and you have a more severe reaction | 0:13:48 | 0:13:50 | |
that we refer to as anaphylaxis, | 0:13:50 | 0:13:52 | |
then it could involve difficulty in breathing, | 0:13:52 | 0:13:55 | |
so particularly wheeziness, | 0:13:55 | 0:13:57 | |
or sometimes again in severe reactions, | 0:13:57 | 0:13:59 | |
a drop in blood pressure and that can be very serious indeed. | 0:13:59 | 0:14:03 | |
In the UK, asthma attacks prove fatal for three people every day... | 0:14:12 | 0:14:17 | |
Mummy, Dad thinks... | 0:14:17 | 0:14:18 | |
..evidence that sometimes no matter how hard you try, | 0:14:18 | 0:14:21 | |
allergies can't always be avoided. | 0:14:21 | 0:14:23 | |
And as our families know first-hand, | 0:14:25 | 0:14:27 | |
allergic reactions can be terrifying. | 0:14:27 | 0:14:30 | |
It was just a normal day, I'd booked an appointment at the doctors. | 0:14:34 | 0:14:37 | |
My father-in-law came with me, didn't even have his shoes on. | 0:14:37 | 0:14:40 | |
He was just driving us in the car. | 0:14:40 | 0:14:42 | |
And at the time we were told he wasn't allergic to dairy | 0:14:43 | 0:14:46 | |
and he'd had a Mini Milk. | 0:14:46 | 0:14:48 | |
And literally within half an hour of waiting for the doctors, he just deteriorated. | 0:14:48 | 0:14:51 | |
He couldn't breathe properly. | 0:14:51 | 0:14:53 | |
And then within, I suppose it was seconds, I looked at him | 0:14:53 | 0:14:55 | |
and I could see that his lip was starting to swell. | 0:14:55 | 0:14:58 | |
I've never seen somebody so small with you know - | 0:14:58 | 0:15:00 | |
sorry for being on the camera - | 0:15:00 | 0:15:02 | |
I've never seen somebody so small be so sick. | 0:15:02 | 0:15:05 | |
Within seconds of being in the ambulance, | 0:15:05 | 0:15:07 | |
Joe was on the nebuliser and they kind of controlled it for me, | 0:15:07 | 0:15:09 | |
but it was so scary because I wasn't aware of what was going on. | 0:15:09 | 0:15:13 | |
Anything to do with the mouth, the airways, | 0:15:13 | 0:15:15 | |
could affect his breathing. | 0:15:15 | 0:15:17 | |
It was one of those scary moments when I thought, | 0:15:17 | 0:15:19 | |
"OK, this is really serious, and we have to deal with this, | 0:15:19 | 0:15:22 | |
"like, this could be life-threatening." | 0:15:22 | 0:15:24 | |
MORGAN COUGHS | 0:15:25 | 0:15:27 | |
Oh, dear, you're coughing a fair amount. | 0:15:27 | 0:15:29 | |
-Oh, darling... Oh, darling! -Ugh.. | 0:15:29 | 0:15:33 | |
-HE CONTINUES COUGHING -Ohhhhh, it's exhausting, isn't it? | 0:15:33 | 0:15:37 | |
In recent years, many theories have tried to explain | 0:15:37 | 0:15:40 | |
why more children like Morgan | 0:15:40 | 0:15:42 | |
are suffering from allergies than ever before. | 0:15:42 | 0:15:45 | |
But Graham Rook believes that the evidence for them | 0:15:46 | 0:15:49 | |
just doesn't stack up. | 0:15:49 | 0:15:51 | |
It doesn't look as though it's the genes. | 0:15:51 | 0:15:53 | |
It doesn't look as though it's pollution. | 0:15:53 | 0:15:55 | |
It doesn't look as though you can explain it just by vitamin D | 0:15:55 | 0:15:58 | |
and lack of sunlight. | 0:15:58 | 0:15:59 | |
It doesn't look as though it's exposure to allergens | 0:15:59 | 0:16:02 | |
because people were always exposed to allergens. | 0:16:02 | 0:16:04 | |
So, what is it? | 0:16:04 | 0:16:05 | |
Something in the environment has changed that is causing allergies | 0:16:05 | 0:16:09 | |
to become more common. | 0:16:09 | 0:16:11 | |
Rook believes it's changes to the bacteria in the environment. | 0:16:22 | 0:16:26 | |
But this idea isn't entirely new. | 0:16:28 | 0:16:29 | |
25 years ago, the "hygiene hypothesis" | 0:16:34 | 0:16:37 | |
suggested that improved levels of hygiene and cleanliness | 0:16:37 | 0:16:41 | |
reduced children's exposure to bacteria and viruses, | 0:16:41 | 0:16:44 | |
and so, infections. | 0:16:44 | 0:16:45 | |
This supposedly deprived their immune systems | 0:16:47 | 0:16:50 | |
from the training they needed to resist allergies... | 0:16:50 | 0:16:53 | |
..and the idea that we were all too clean was born. | 0:16:54 | 0:16:58 | |
In fact, that just doesn't hold water. | 0:17:01 | 0:17:05 | |
Largely, one of the most important reasons for rejecting that notion | 0:17:06 | 0:17:10 | |
is the fact that those kinds of infection | 0:17:10 | 0:17:12 | |
are commonest in the inner cities, commonest amongst the very people | 0:17:12 | 0:17:16 | |
in whom the increases in allergic disorders are the most frequent. | 0:17:16 | 0:17:19 | |
It simply didn't fit epidemiologically. | 0:17:19 | 0:17:21 | |
Rook believes a much broader range of micro-organisms | 0:17:23 | 0:17:26 | |
than childhood infections are to blame. | 0:17:26 | 0:17:29 | |
Micro-organisms that our ancient ancestors | 0:17:29 | 0:17:31 | |
were continually exposed to. | 0:17:31 | 0:17:33 | |
Humans are really a grassland species. | 0:17:35 | 0:17:37 | |
Two and a half million years ago we were hunting and gathering | 0:17:37 | 0:17:40 | |
and scavenging in this sort of environment, | 0:17:40 | 0:17:43 | |
and in constant contact with the soil | 0:17:43 | 0:17:45 | |
and with the organisms | 0:17:45 | 0:17:46 | |
from the animals they were killing, | 0:17:46 | 0:17:48 | |
and so enormous exposure to types of micro-organism | 0:17:48 | 0:17:51 | |
that we simply don't encounter any more, | 0:17:51 | 0:17:53 | |
because we live in these concrete blocks made of glass | 0:17:53 | 0:17:56 | |
and steel and strange materials treated with biocides and glues. | 0:17:56 | 0:18:01 | |
It's changes to all of these old microbes, be they bacteria, | 0:18:09 | 0:18:12 | |
fungi or viruses, that is at the crux of this new theory. | 0:18:12 | 0:18:16 | |
We've been suggesting | 0:18:21 | 0:18:22 | |
that a term that could replace the hygiene hypothesis | 0:18:22 | 0:18:25 | |
is the "Old Friends mechanism", | 0:18:25 | 0:18:27 | |
because the problem is not a lack of exposure | 0:18:27 | 0:18:31 | |
to the childhood infections, | 0:18:31 | 0:18:33 | |
it's actually a lack of exposure to those old organisms | 0:18:33 | 0:18:37 | |
that we had to tolerate throughout our evolution. | 0:18:37 | 0:18:41 | |
They're the ones that provide the data that the immune system needs | 0:18:41 | 0:18:45 | |
to correctly set up its regulatory pathways, | 0:18:45 | 0:18:47 | |
correctly set up the police force that stops the immune system | 0:18:47 | 0:18:50 | |
from doing anything stupid. | 0:18:50 | 0:18:52 | |
A bit more? | 0:18:57 | 0:18:58 | |
Yeah. Oh, yeah, a bit more than that. Tip it in. | 0:18:58 | 0:19:00 | |
The Old Friends mechanism | 0:19:00 | 0:19:02 | |
may explain not only the increase in allergies, | 0:19:02 | 0:19:05 | |
but other chronic inflammatory disorders as well. | 0:19:05 | 0:19:08 | |
-Did it just in time. -You did, didn't you? | 0:19:08 | 0:19:11 | |
And as our families continue to have | 0:19:11 | 0:19:13 | |
every aspect of their lives monitored, | 0:19:13 | 0:19:15 | |
we want to see if there's evidence for it in the real world too. | 0:19:15 | 0:19:19 | |
It's only in recent years that scientists have come to understand | 0:19:24 | 0:19:28 | |
the extent to which bacteria are a vital component of the human body. | 0:19:28 | 0:19:32 | |
One of the leaders in the field is gastroenterologist, | 0:19:35 | 0:19:38 | |
Professor Fergus Shanahan. | 0:19:38 | 0:19:40 | |
We call them microbes because they're tiny, | 0:19:46 | 0:19:49 | |
we can't see them, but they're there all right. | 0:19:49 | 0:19:52 | |
Most of the bacteria are on the skin, in the mouths, | 0:19:52 | 0:19:55 | |
in body cavities, but the vast majority are present | 0:19:55 | 0:19:58 | |
in the large intestine, otherwise known as the colon. | 0:19:58 | 0:20:01 | |
The degree to which we're covered in our bacterial associates | 0:20:03 | 0:20:06 | |
is staggering. | 0:20:06 | 0:20:07 | |
People use loose numbers to describe the vast numbers of organisms, | 0:20:10 | 0:20:15 | |
but it's something in the range of tenfold the number of human cells. | 0:20:15 | 0:20:19 | |
This is equivalent to hundreds and hundreds of billions of bacteria | 0:20:19 | 0:20:23 | |
in and on the human body. | 0:20:23 | 0:20:24 | |
Bacteria are so numerous, | 0:20:29 | 0:20:30 | |
they make up the bulk of living matter on Earth. | 0:20:30 | 0:20:33 | |
But they're not merely bystanders. | 0:20:34 | 0:20:37 | |
We think of bacteria generally as being something harmful, | 0:20:40 | 0:20:43 | |
something that could cause disease, something that could spoil food, | 0:20:43 | 0:20:46 | |
but the truth is | 0:20:46 | 0:20:47 | |
bacteria are actually predominantly beneficial to us. | 0:20:47 | 0:20:50 | |
They produce vital nutrients, they help us digest food | 0:20:51 | 0:20:55 | |
and they provide protection for us against infectious organisms. | 0:20:55 | 0:21:00 | |
They're an active participant in human life. | 0:21:00 | 0:21:02 | |
It doesn't work very well, but it's the best they've got at the moment | 0:21:05 | 0:21:09 | |
-cos we just don't... -I know, that's the problem... -Yeah... | 0:21:09 | 0:21:12 | |
Bacteria are now known to do so much in the human body | 0:21:12 | 0:21:14 | |
that they're often referred to as the "forgotten organ". | 0:21:14 | 0:21:18 | |
And for our families, their bacteria are no different. | 0:21:19 | 0:21:22 | |
Dr Lindsay Hall has brought them together | 0:21:24 | 0:21:27 | |
because the results from their bacterial swabs are back. | 0:21:27 | 0:21:30 | |
Though, unfortunately, Morgan wasn't well enough to join. | 0:21:30 | 0:21:33 | |
The last couple of years we've designed... | 0:21:33 | 0:21:35 | |
Interestingly, the first and most obvious thing | 0:21:35 | 0:21:37 | |
that Lindsay's discovered | 0:21:37 | 0:21:39 | |
is with regards to the diversity of their samples. | 0:21:39 | 0:21:43 | |
So what does diversity mean in terms of bacteria? | 0:21:43 | 0:21:46 | |
Well, if you look at this picture here, | 0:21:46 | 0:21:48 | |
this is a picture of our intestine | 0:21:48 | 0:21:50 | |
and these are all the different types of bacteria that call it home. | 0:21:50 | 0:21:54 | |
So, it's an unbelievably complex ecosystem. | 0:21:54 | 0:21:58 | |
So, if we think about ecosystems, we think about the oceans, | 0:21:58 | 0:22:01 | |
maybe, you know, the rainforests, things like that, | 0:22:01 | 0:22:03 | |
but actually, the most densely kind of colonised ecosystem | 0:22:03 | 0:22:06 | |
and the most diverse in the world is our gut. | 0:22:06 | 0:22:10 | |
The problem is, like the rest of us in the Western world, | 0:22:13 | 0:22:17 | |
both our families had a relatively low diversity of bacteria | 0:22:17 | 0:22:20 | |
in their guts... | 0:22:20 | 0:22:22 | |
..especially when compared to a tribe of people | 0:22:23 | 0:22:26 | |
who live as close to the lifestyles of our ancient ancestors | 0:22:26 | 0:22:29 | |
as it's possible to get. | 0:22:29 | 0:22:31 | |
These are the Hadza. | 0:22:34 | 0:22:36 | |
In the Rift Valley of northern Tanzania, | 0:22:37 | 0:22:40 | |
they hunt game, gather honey | 0:22:40 | 0:22:43 | |
and forage for berries, fruits and plants to survive. | 0:22:43 | 0:22:46 | |
Yeah, so I don't know if, Paul and Danny, | 0:22:47 | 0:22:49 | |
this is how you go out to go and get your lunch? | 0:22:49 | 0:22:51 | |
-SHE LAUGHS -It's close. | 0:22:51 | 0:22:53 | |
It's just got... It's just got a Pret round the corner. | 0:22:53 | 0:22:56 | |
DR HALL LAUGHS | 0:22:56 | 0:22:58 | |
But it looks like tribes like the Hadza | 0:22:58 | 0:23:00 | |
have this high diversity of their good bacteria | 0:23:00 | 0:23:03 | |
and they don't have many allergies. | 0:23:03 | 0:23:06 | |
In one hunter-gatherer tribe, | 0:23:08 | 0:23:09 | |
just one in every 1,500 people had an allergy, | 0:23:09 | 0:23:13 | |
compared to one in three in the UK. | 0:23:13 | 0:23:17 | |
And it seems the diversity of microbes in the gut | 0:23:19 | 0:23:22 | |
is key when it comes to allergies. | 0:23:22 | 0:23:25 | |
It was interesting for me looking at your samples, | 0:23:30 | 0:23:33 | |
that Joe and Morgan had lower total bacterial diversity than...you guys. | 0:23:33 | 0:23:41 | |
And there's lots of studies out there that show that | 0:23:42 | 0:23:45 | |
individuals that have got allergies, they have a lower diversity | 0:23:45 | 0:23:48 | |
in comparison to healthy... healthy people. | 0:23:48 | 0:23:51 | |
So individuals that have got... | 0:23:51 | 0:23:52 | |
Not only do people in the West have lower bacterial diversity, | 0:23:52 | 0:23:55 | |
but those with allergies have even less. | 0:23:55 | 0:23:58 | |
..Allergies, and so... | 0:23:58 | 0:23:59 | |
And incredibly, brand-new research is proving how this lack of bacteria | 0:23:59 | 0:24:04 | |
may be making us more allergic. | 0:24:04 | 0:24:06 | |
This is Associate Professor Ben Marsland. | 0:24:20 | 0:24:23 | |
He's undertaken a unique experiment here in the Swiss Alps. | 0:24:26 | 0:24:29 | |
OK. | 0:24:30 | 0:24:32 | |
This is the Ecole Polytechnique Federale de Lausanne. | 0:24:35 | 0:24:38 | |
And the creatures that call this place home, | 0:24:48 | 0:24:51 | |
show what happens when you grow up without any bacteria at all. | 0:24:51 | 0:24:55 | |
MICE SQUEAK | 0:24:59 | 0:25:02 | |
These are germ-free mice. | 0:25:02 | 0:25:04 | |
Well, a germ-free mouse has no bacteria, no viruses, | 0:25:07 | 0:25:11 | |
no fungi at all, so it's absolutely pure and clean. | 0:25:11 | 0:25:15 | |
For all intents and purposes, | 0:25:15 | 0:25:16 | |
a germ-free mouse like this looks like a normal mouse. | 0:25:16 | 0:25:19 | |
It breathes normally, it grows normally, it looks normal. | 0:25:19 | 0:25:22 | |
The only difference is there are no microbes there at all. | 0:25:22 | 0:25:27 | |
The mice may look quite normal, but keeping them free of any bacteria | 0:25:32 | 0:25:37 | |
has astonishing consequences when they're exposed to common allergens. | 0:25:37 | 0:25:42 | |
So we took house dust mite allergens, | 0:25:44 | 0:25:47 | |
which is one of the most common types of allergens found in the household, | 0:25:47 | 0:25:50 | |
and we put them down the nose of the mice | 0:25:50 | 0:25:53 | |
to see what type of response they would have. | 0:25:53 | 0:25:55 | |
And we compared that between a germ-free mouse and a normal mouse. | 0:25:55 | 0:25:59 | |
The difference between the two types of mice is profound. | 0:26:03 | 0:26:06 | |
Some of the ways that we can measure an allergic response is by looking | 0:26:11 | 0:26:15 | |
at the lung tissue itself, | 0:26:15 | 0:26:17 | |
and in this picture we've got airways in a normal mouse | 0:26:17 | 0:26:20 | |
where the main air is being inhaled and alveoli around it. | 0:26:20 | 0:26:25 | |
So this is quite a healthy lung. | 0:26:25 | 0:26:27 | |
Now, if we look at a germ-free mouse, | 0:26:28 | 0:26:29 | |
you can see that the picture has changed dramatically. | 0:26:29 | 0:26:32 | |
The purple staining, which is the mucus production, | 0:26:32 | 0:26:34 | |
and so we know that in that setting in the absence of these microbes, | 0:26:34 | 0:26:37 | |
there's much more mucus production in the airway, | 0:26:37 | 0:26:40 | |
so it's much more difficult to breathe. | 0:26:40 | 0:26:42 | |
Also around these airways, we're finding inflammatory cells | 0:26:42 | 0:26:45 | |
and these are some of the most dangerous cells | 0:26:45 | 0:26:48 | |
involved in an allergic asthma response. | 0:26:48 | 0:26:51 | |
So with that very first simple experiment, | 0:26:51 | 0:26:53 | |
what we've found was that in the absence of any microbes at all, | 0:26:53 | 0:26:57 | |
the mice were more prone to allergy. | 0:26:57 | 0:26:59 | |
Normally, exposure to harmless bacteria | 0:27:08 | 0:27:11 | |
helps to dampen down the immune system. | 0:27:11 | 0:27:13 | |
So, as we get exposed to microbes, | 0:27:19 | 0:27:22 | |
this teaches the immune system to develop appropriately, | 0:27:22 | 0:27:25 | |
so that it knows how to respond against pathogens | 0:27:25 | 0:27:28 | |
when they are encountered. | 0:27:28 | 0:27:30 | |
And importantly, not respond to harmless things in the environment | 0:27:34 | 0:27:38 | |
like pollen or peanuts. | 0:27:38 | 0:27:40 | |
And if you don't have that education, | 0:27:41 | 0:27:44 | |
or the education is not complete, | 0:27:44 | 0:27:46 | |
perhaps that's why there's more of a chance to develop allergies. | 0:27:46 | 0:27:51 | |
Without everyday exposure to bacteria, | 0:27:56 | 0:27:59 | |
our immune systems can overreact. | 0:27:59 | 0:28:01 | |
And it seems that perhaps the most important window of opportunity | 0:28:05 | 0:28:09 | |
for this education, is right at the beginning of life. | 0:28:09 | 0:28:12 | |
It's well-documented that people who grow up on traditional farms | 0:28:16 | 0:28:20 | |
are often protected from allergies... | 0:28:20 | 0:28:22 | |
SHEEP BLEAT | 0:28:22 | 0:28:24 | |
..perhaps because of the huge variety of bacteria | 0:28:24 | 0:28:26 | |
surrounding them. | 0:28:26 | 0:28:28 | |
But for farmers, and in fact all of us, | 0:28:29 | 0:28:32 | |
it's the first year of life | 0:28:32 | 0:28:33 | |
that is the most critical for microbial health. | 0:28:33 | 0:28:37 | |
So, she's getting down now. | 0:28:39 | 0:28:41 | |
It starts at the moment of birth itself. | 0:28:41 | 0:28:43 | |
These sheep have carried their lambs for five months, | 0:28:45 | 0:28:47 | |
but like humans, life in the womb is very different to the outside world. | 0:28:47 | 0:28:52 | |
You can see she's sort of straining a bit. | 0:28:52 | 0:28:54 | |
Whilst in the womb, babies are thought to be | 0:28:55 | 0:28:57 | |
almost completely sterile, but that all changes during birth. | 0:28:57 | 0:29:02 | |
SHEEP BLEATS | 0:29:03 | 0:29:05 | |
It's all right, darling. | 0:29:06 | 0:29:08 | |
You ready? | 0:29:09 | 0:29:10 | |
In humans, the microbiota of the vagina changes before birth. | 0:29:12 | 0:29:18 | |
It's coming the right way. | 0:29:18 | 0:29:21 | |
A group of bacteria called lactobacillus starts to dominate, | 0:29:24 | 0:29:28 | |
bacteria that have been shown to protect against allergies. | 0:29:28 | 0:29:31 | |
So, as with a new-born lamb, when the baby travels down through | 0:29:34 | 0:29:37 | |
the birth canal, it gets covered in these bacteria from head to toe. | 0:29:37 | 0:29:42 | |
In effect, our first allergy-protecting microbiome | 0:29:46 | 0:29:49 | |
is born when we are. | 0:29:49 | 0:29:51 | |
But 25% of babies in the UK | 0:29:58 | 0:30:01 | |
are now born by Caesarean section every year. | 0:30:01 | 0:30:04 | |
They're more typically colonised by bacteria found on the skin | 0:30:06 | 0:30:09 | |
and hospital surfaces than the vagina. | 0:30:09 | 0:30:12 | |
This may explain why a study of 1.7 million Norwegian children | 0:30:12 | 0:30:17 | |
found that those born by Caesarean were 52% more likely to become | 0:30:17 | 0:30:21 | |
asthmatic than those delivered vaginally. | 0:30:21 | 0:30:24 | |
And it's now understood that breast milk contains up to 700 species | 0:30:26 | 0:30:30 | |
of bacteria, possibly explaining why exclusively breast-fed babies | 0:30:30 | 0:30:35 | |
are less likely to be allergic. | 0:30:35 | 0:30:38 | |
Is that funny? Whee! | 0:30:38 | 0:30:40 | |
But perhaps the greatest threat to children's microbes comes | 0:30:40 | 0:30:45 | |
when the few bacteria they do have come under attack. | 0:30:45 | 0:30:48 | |
As with any ecosystem, diversity is the key to a healthy gut flora. | 0:30:52 | 0:30:58 | |
Yet one of the greatest advances in modern medicine | 0:31:00 | 0:31:03 | |
is destroying that diversity... | 0:31:03 | 0:31:05 | |
..often with devastating consequences. | 0:31:07 | 0:31:11 | |
Well, antibiotics are designed | 0:31:25 | 0:31:27 | |
to target infectious or harmful bacteria, | 0:31:27 | 0:31:30 | |
which we've grown here on this laboratory Petri dish. | 0:31:30 | 0:31:33 | |
We put this particular antibiotic into the centre, | 0:31:33 | 0:31:37 | |
and you see a zone of clearance of the pathogen, | 0:31:37 | 0:31:40 | |
the infectious agent, and that's good. | 0:31:40 | 0:31:43 | |
That's a major advance that helps an awful lot of patients. | 0:31:43 | 0:31:46 | |
The problem with this is the antibiotic is damaging | 0:31:47 | 0:31:51 | |
the surrounding ecosystem. | 0:31:51 | 0:31:52 | |
It's killing the beneficial harmless bacteria | 0:31:52 | 0:31:56 | |
that we all have in our body. | 0:31:56 | 0:31:58 | |
The diversity of our microbes is decimated following a course | 0:32:01 | 0:32:05 | |
of antibiotics, not only leaving us vulnerable to attack | 0:32:05 | 0:32:09 | |
by other infections, | 0:32:09 | 0:32:11 | |
but threatening our long-term microbial health too. | 0:32:11 | 0:32:15 | |
The microbiome is required to educate | 0:32:19 | 0:32:22 | |
and help the immune system mature, | 0:32:22 | 0:32:24 | |
so anything that threatens the microbiome tends to create a risk | 0:32:24 | 0:32:28 | |
of some sort of abnormality of the immune system, and it has been shown | 0:32:28 | 0:32:32 | |
several times now that the greater the number of antibiotic courses | 0:32:32 | 0:32:38 | |
that one has, and particularly the earlier in life, | 0:32:38 | 0:32:41 | |
particularly in infancy, the first year of life, | 0:32:41 | 0:32:43 | |
the greater then the risk of allergies. | 0:32:43 | 0:32:45 | |
One study found that giving babies under the age of one antibiotics | 0:32:48 | 0:32:51 | |
increases their risk of developing eczema by 40%... | 0:32:51 | 0:32:55 | |
..with every extra course increasing that risk by a further 7%. | 0:32:56 | 0:33:01 | |
Are you watching me, Jenson? | 0:33:02 | 0:33:05 | |
Of course, we mustn't abandon antibiotics all together, | 0:33:05 | 0:33:09 | |
but if we are to preserve our microbial diversity, | 0:33:09 | 0:33:12 | |
doctors must be mindful | 0:33:12 | 0:33:13 | |
not to prescribe unnecessary courses of them. | 0:33:13 | 0:33:17 | |
# Gently down the stream... # | 0:33:21 | 0:33:25 | |
All this research suggests that modern living | 0:33:25 | 0:33:28 | |
is denying children today the bacteria their immune systems require. | 0:33:28 | 0:33:31 | |
This problem is particularly acute in those children with allergies. | 0:33:33 | 0:33:37 | |
Lindsay has discovered the most allergic children in our families, | 0:33:37 | 0:33:41 | |
Joe and Morgan, are missing some vital microbes. | 0:33:41 | 0:33:45 | |
One of the bacteria that actually was similar for Joe and Morgan, | 0:33:45 | 0:33:49 | |
in terms of it had far lower levels than what everybody else had within | 0:33:49 | 0:33:54 | |
the families, was this bacterium here, which is acinetobacter, | 0:33:54 | 0:33:59 | |
and there's some really interesting, very new studies that have suggested | 0:33:59 | 0:34:03 | |
that individuals that have got asthma or eczema have low levels of | 0:34:03 | 0:34:07 | |
this bacteria and that maybe relates to why they've got allergies. | 0:34:07 | 0:34:10 | |
So these are one of the types of bacteria that's able | 0:34:10 | 0:34:13 | |
to educate our immune system. | 0:34:13 | 0:34:15 | |
But acinetobacter isn't the only type of bacteria that helps | 0:34:16 | 0:34:20 | |
to educate our immune systems. | 0:34:20 | 0:34:21 | |
The furry one that Freya is holding is bifidobacteria. | 0:34:22 | 0:34:25 | |
You've probably heard of that | 0:34:25 | 0:34:26 | |
because it's in a lot of probiotic kind of drinks and yoghurts. | 0:34:26 | 0:34:29 | |
Look, it even looks friendly as well. That's excellent. | 0:34:29 | 0:34:32 | |
Thanks, Freya. Hold it up for everyone to see. | 0:34:32 | 0:34:34 | |
Brilliant. | 0:34:34 | 0:34:36 | |
It's quite interesting | 0:34:36 | 0:34:37 | |
because we looked at bifidobacteria levels in Morgan. | 0:34:37 | 0:34:41 | |
He's not got any, and Joe did have some bifidobacteria, | 0:34:42 | 0:34:47 | |
but at far lower levels in comparison to what you guys have got. | 0:34:47 | 0:34:51 | |
One study found that five-year-olds with eczema had 28% fewer | 0:34:51 | 0:34:55 | |
bifidobacteria as babies, compared to healthy children. | 0:34:55 | 0:34:59 | |
It's possible that an early life experience may have reduced | 0:34:59 | 0:35:03 | |
these allergy-protecting bacteria in Joe and Morgan. | 0:35:03 | 0:35:07 | |
Can you think of any kind of early-life events | 0:35:08 | 0:35:10 | |
that maybe happened to Morgan? | 0:35:10 | 0:35:13 | |
Well, Morgan's been on antibiotics from a very young age. | 0:35:13 | 0:35:15 | |
I know at about ten months, he had tonsillitis | 0:35:15 | 0:35:18 | |
and they gave him antibiotics. | 0:35:18 | 0:35:20 | |
Now, antibiotics are absolutely amazing | 0:35:20 | 0:35:23 | |
and we need to take them to combat infections, we need that. | 0:35:23 | 0:35:26 | |
But the problem is that they cause collateral damage, | 0:35:26 | 0:35:28 | |
so they come in and get rid of the bad guys, but again, | 0:35:28 | 0:35:31 | |
we're losing the good guys that are going to programme our immune system. | 0:35:31 | 0:35:34 | |
And interestingly, Joe's birth may well have impacted his bacteria too. | 0:35:34 | 0:35:40 | |
I kind of work it back to when he was born. | 0:35:40 | 0:35:43 | |
His birth was really traumatic. | 0:35:43 | 0:35:45 | |
He was starved of oxygen, he had the cord round his neck. | 0:35:45 | 0:35:49 | |
He was sent off and it took quite a few days for him to become | 0:35:49 | 0:35:51 | |
you know, become quite a normal child, as I see. | 0:35:51 | 0:35:54 | |
Babies like Joe | 0:35:56 | 0:35:57 | |
who spend their first hours of life in intensive care | 0:35:57 | 0:36:00 | |
can miss out on their first flush | 0:36:00 | 0:36:02 | |
of good bacteria from their mothers. | 0:36:02 | 0:36:05 | |
And it can expose them to some less friendly microbes too. | 0:36:05 | 0:36:09 | |
Like enterobacteriaceae. | 0:36:11 | 0:36:14 | |
Interestingly, if you swab intensive care units in hospitals, | 0:36:14 | 0:36:17 | |
this is what you find on the surfaces. | 0:36:17 | 0:36:19 | |
And individuals that have allergies have higher levels of this bacteria, | 0:36:21 | 0:36:26 | |
so that fits quite well with... | 0:36:26 | 0:36:28 | |
Joe's got quite high levels of this, and if that's how Joe was born, | 0:36:28 | 0:36:31 | |
then obviously this bacteria would maybe have colonised his gut. | 0:36:31 | 0:36:34 | |
Our families' results are compelling. | 0:36:40 | 0:36:43 | |
Clearly, there is something going on that's different to us, | 0:36:43 | 0:36:46 | |
but we've never really understood how things are different | 0:36:46 | 0:36:49 | |
internally for him, and understanding that, you know, | 0:36:49 | 0:36:52 | |
there's certain bacteria that both myself, Caroline and Freya have, | 0:36:52 | 0:36:56 | |
that Joe's lacking, it really brings it to light. | 0:36:56 | 0:36:59 | |
Those 24 hours are vital in the first stages | 0:36:59 | 0:37:02 | |
and you're not made aware of that. | 0:37:02 | 0:37:04 | |
You don't think about that, you know, and the first time you start | 0:37:04 | 0:37:07 | |
breast-feeding and then you stop breast-feeding | 0:37:07 | 0:37:09 | |
and you put them onto formula, you don't think about any of this. | 0:37:09 | 0:37:12 | |
You just think it's the natural thing to do. | 0:37:12 | 0:37:14 | |
I think the biggest surprise was the bifidobacteria, | 0:37:17 | 0:37:20 | |
where Morgan, you know... | 0:37:20 | 0:37:21 | |
The average person has 40 million or so in their intestines | 0:37:21 | 0:37:24 | |
and Morgan's got none. | 0:37:24 | 0:37:26 | |
'That shows that it could be a huge part of why he suffers so badly | 0:37:27 | 0:37:32 | |
'with the eczema and his allergies.' | 0:37:32 | 0:37:34 | |
Luckily, there's just enough jam left, isn't there? | 0:37:36 | 0:37:38 | |
With researchers from around the world studying the bacteria we rely on... | 0:37:38 | 0:37:43 | |
Ta-dah! Your flapjacks! | 0:37:43 | 0:37:45 | |
..we now have a better picture than ever before | 0:37:45 | 0:37:47 | |
of how the modern world is impacting our old microbial friends. | 0:37:47 | 0:37:51 | |
But interestingly, our lifestyles seem to be impacting | 0:38:07 | 0:38:10 | |
some of our old microbial enemies too. | 0:38:10 | 0:38:12 | |
Enemies that we've lived with for thousands of years. | 0:38:17 | 0:38:20 | |
Humans in Palaeolithic times | 0:38:26 | 0:38:29 | |
used to live in very small hunter-gatherer groups, | 0:38:29 | 0:38:32 | |
sometimes probably only 20 to 30 people, and so only | 0:38:32 | 0:38:35 | |
certain types of infection could persist within such groups. | 0:38:35 | 0:38:39 | |
Graham Rook calls them the old infections | 0:38:40 | 0:38:43 | |
and it's possible to get a glimpse of some of them here, | 0:38:43 | 0:38:47 | |
at the Wellcome Collection in London. | 0:38:47 | 0:38:50 | |
Home to a project called London's Pulse... | 0:38:53 | 0:38:57 | |
a collection of 120 years of medical records from 1848 until 1972, | 0:38:57 | 0:39:03 | |
recording births, deaths and diseases across the capital. | 0:39:03 | 0:39:07 | |
This one in front of me is from the Metropolitan Borough of Finsbury, | 0:39:09 | 0:39:13 | |
annual report for the year 1927. | 0:39:13 | 0:39:17 | |
And it says here, "worms". | 0:39:18 | 0:39:20 | |
Here's another one, 1918, East Ham. | 0:39:21 | 0:39:25 | |
This one, "tapeworm". | 0:39:25 | 0:39:26 | |
"Physis..." | 0:39:26 | 0:39:27 | |
"Verminus heads". | 0:39:27 | 0:39:29 | |
"TB in Stepney", and so it goes on. | 0:39:29 | 0:39:31 | |
Down here we have "threadworms" and "roundworms." | 0:39:31 | 0:39:35 | |
Now, roundworms, we just don't see those nowadays. | 0:39:35 | 0:39:38 | |
OK, this is the year I was born, so this is exciting. | 0:39:39 | 0:39:43 | |
"Tapeworm and TB". | 0:39:43 | 0:39:45 | |
As far as I know, I was never exposed to tapeworm ova, | 0:39:45 | 0:39:48 | |
but I could have been in 1946. | 0:39:48 | 0:39:50 | |
That's fantastic. | 0:39:50 | 0:39:52 | |
Old infections like parasitic worms and tuberculosis had to behave | 0:39:55 | 0:39:59 | |
in a very specific way to survive in their hosts, | 0:39:59 | 0:40:03 | |
be they early 20th-century Londoners or our more ancient ancestors. | 0:40:03 | 0:40:08 | |
One, they had to not kill the individual, | 0:40:08 | 0:40:11 | |
because obviously otherwise you just wipe out the hunter-gatherer group | 0:40:11 | 0:40:15 | |
and that's the end of the career of that infection. | 0:40:15 | 0:40:17 | |
And secondly, they had to be tolerated by the individual | 0:40:17 | 0:40:22 | |
and the individual mustn't be able to eliminate them completely. | 0:40:22 | 0:40:25 | |
The ability of these worms and infections | 0:40:27 | 0:40:29 | |
to persist in their hosts was key. | 0:40:29 | 0:40:31 | |
They evolved ways of quietening down the immune system, | 0:40:34 | 0:40:38 | |
so that there wasn't massive inflammation | 0:40:38 | 0:40:40 | |
causing permanent damage, and so our immune system sort of evolved to be | 0:40:40 | 0:40:44 | |
rather dependent upon the presence of these organisms. | 0:40:44 | 0:40:47 | |
So our immune system became less sensitive | 0:40:56 | 0:40:58 | |
and ignored the old infections. | 0:40:58 | 0:41:01 | |
But as a consequence, it ignored allergens in the environment too. | 0:41:03 | 0:41:10 | |
In effect, old infections made us less allergic. | 0:41:10 | 0:41:13 | |
This doesn't happen any more. | 0:41:25 | 0:41:27 | |
Modern health care has wiped out the old infections. | 0:41:27 | 0:41:31 | |
But living in groups of millions of people has allowed a new breed | 0:41:33 | 0:41:37 | |
of crowd infections, like measles, to take their place. | 0:41:37 | 0:41:40 | |
So the crowd infections, | 0:41:45 | 0:41:47 | |
because they either killed you or you became immune to them, | 0:41:47 | 0:41:50 | |
didn't evolve this ability to down-regulate the immune system. | 0:41:50 | 0:41:54 | |
So it's a completely different host-parasite relationship, | 0:41:54 | 0:41:58 | |
and of course what's happened nowadays is that modern medicine | 0:41:58 | 0:42:01 | |
is starting to eliminate the old infections. | 0:42:01 | 0:42:04 | |
We clearly don't want the persistent old infections like worms | 0:42:05 | 0:42:09 | |
and TB in our lives. | 0:42:09 | 0:42:10 | |
So what can we do to combat allergies? | 0:42:13 | 0:42:16 | |
Can we reverse the damage done by the modern world to our old friends? | 0:42:17 | 0:42:21 | |
Fergus Shanahan believes it is possible to improve | 0:42:28 | 0:42:31 | |
the health of our bacteria. | 0:42:31 | 0:42:33 | |
Two bananas, two onions. | 0:42:33 | 0:42:36 | |
Yeah, that's good. | 0:42:38 | 0:42:40 | |
And perhaps the easiest way to do this is to reconsider what we eat. | 0:42:43 | 0:42:47 | |
Well, probiotics are generally commercially available | 0:42:50 | 0:42:54 | |
bacteria in the form of a food. | 0:42:54 | 0:42:56 | |
People have been consuming products similar to this | 0:42:56 | 0:42:59 | |
for centuries, in the form of yoghurts and cheeses | 0:42:59 | 0:43:01 | |
and other fermented food products, so it's not novel. | 0:43:01 | 0:43:04 | |
These kinds of products can confer some health benefit, | 0:43:04 | 0:43:07 | |
but it's important not to assume that they'll also treat | 0:43:07 | 0:43:10 | |
a variety of non-specific claims that have been made for them. | 0:43:10 | 0:43:14 | |
There is some science behind these, however. | 0:43:14 | 0:43:16 | |
They're not completely snake oil, | 0:43:16 | 0:43:18 | |
but one has to be judicious in the selection of these. | 0:43:18 | 0:43:21 | |
The probiotics industry is now huge. | 0:43:23 | 0:43:26 | |
Fergus is a scientific adviser for it, | 0:43:26 | 0:43:28 | |
and his group at University College Cork | 0:43:28 | 0:43:30 | |
have even patented their own strain of probiotic. | 0:43:30 | 0:43:34 | |
But probiotics aren't the only tool out there to change gut bacteria. | 0:43:36 | 0:43:40 | |
Another way of achieving the same thing is to take something | 0:43:41 | 0:43:45 | |
in the food that can stimulate the natural growth | 0:43:45 | 0:43:47 | |
of the naturally occurring bacteria, and that would be | 0:43:47 | 0:43:50 | |
in the form of a diverse array of fruit and vegetables, for example. | 0:43:50 | 0:43:54 | |
They contain essentially what scientists called prebiotics. | 0:43:54 | 0:43:57 | |
These are generally of a carbohydrate nature, | 0:43:57 | 0:44:00 | |
so when we consume these, | 0:44:00 | 0:44:02 | |
we're actually promoting the growth of natural bacteria. | 0:44:02 | 0:44:04 | |
We're also helping ourselves in terms of the absorption | 0:44:04 | 0:44:07 | |
of essential nutrients. | 0:44:07 | 0:44:08 | |
Changing our diet with pre- and probiotics only works | 0:44:08 | 0:44:13 | |
as long as you keep it up, and even then, it's still not a wonder cure. | 0:44:13 | 0:44:17 | |
Well, there is controversy about prebiotics and probiotics, | 0:44:17 | 0:44:21 | |
and much of that controversy arises because of the assumption | 0:44:21 | 0:44:24 | |
that a single bacterium can do everything for everyone. | 0:44:24 | 0:44:28 | |
That's just not the case. | 0:44:28 | 0:44:29 | |
It's the diversity that counts. | 0:44:29 | 0:44:32 | |
No one food substance, no one bacterium, | 0:44:32 | 0:44:36 | |
no one chemical in the food is sufficient | 0:44:36 | 0:44:38 | |
to confer this diversity of the microbiome. | 0:44:38 | 0:44:42 | |
One research trial has found that giving probiotics to babies | 0:44:45 | 0:44:48 | |
reduced their chance of developing eczema at two years old. | 0:44:48 | 0:44:52 | |
But others have found they make no difference. | 0:44:54 | 0:44:57 | |
Whether they may help chronic health problems like allergies | 0:44:59 | 0:45:02 | |
remains to be seen. | 0:45:02 | 0:45:03 | |
Well, I don't think that prebiotics or probiotics can cure an allergy. | 0:45:06 | 0:45:10 | |
I think they can help prevent against infections. | 0:45:10 | 0:45:13 | |
I think the most important point is that the microbiota, | 0:45:13 | 0:45:17 | |
if it's diverse and healthy at an early stage in life when the | 0:45:17 | 0:45:21 | |
immune system is developing, | 0:45:21 | 0:45:23 | |
then you can prevent allergies occurring. | 0:45:23 | 0:45:26 | |
I doubt very much if these kinds of products can actually cure | 0:45:26 | 0:45:29 | |
existing allergies. | 0:45:29 | 0:45:30 | |
Surprisingly, one hope for helping those with allergies in the future | 0:45:36 | 0:45:41 | |
may lie in actually replacing your gut bacteria with someone else's. | 0:45:41 | 0:45:45 | |
This is exactly what doctors are doing to treat the aggressive | 0:45:46 | 0:45:50 | |
gut infection, Clostridium difficile, | 0:45:50 | 0:45:53 | |
and they're doing it with human faeces. | 0:45:53 | 0:45:56 | |
Well, the sample is weighed first, and then gently homogenised. | 0:45:59 | 0:46:04 | |
And this is then...sieved, for a better word... | 0:46:06 | 0:46:10 | |
double-sieved. | 0:46:10 | 0:46:12 | |
The faeces is processed in an anaerobic, or oxygen-free, chamber | 0:46:17 | 0:46:21 | |
to mimic the inside of the gut. | 0:46:21 | 0:46:23 | |
And after it's sieved, the volume is then topped up to the maximum, | 0:46:25 | 0:46:29 | |
so as to leave no air spaces in the bottle. | 0:46:29 | 0:46:32 | |
This healthy donor faeces is then transplanted into the patient, | 0:46:35 | 0:46:39 | |
replenishing their bacteria and curing up to 90% of infections. | 0:46:39 | 0:46:44 | |
It's early days and there's been no research into this technique | 0:46:48 | 0:46:51 | |
for allergies yet, but it may lead to a treatment in the future. | 0:46:51 | 0:46:55 | |
In the meantime, if we're to combat the allergy epidemic, | 0:47:02 | 0:47:06 | |
we must reduce our risk of becoming allergic in the first place | 0:47:06 | 0:47:10 | |
by re-engaging with the bacteria that's around us. | 0:47:10 | 0:47:13 | |
But we must do so carefully because not all bacteria are good bacteria. | 0:47:14 | 0:47:20 | |
So germs are everywhere in our home, | 0:47:25 | 0:47:27 | |
but there are places where we're more likely to find them. | 0:47:27 | 0:47:30 | |
Professor Sally Bloomfield is trying to educate people how best | 0:47:33 | 0:47:37 | |
to safely re-engage with the right microbes. | 0:47:37 | 0:47:40 | |
So what I'm going to do is to prepare fried chicken | 0:47:41 | 0:47:43 | |
and a salad to go with it. | 0:47:43 | 0:47:45 | |
When you take a chicken, we know that probably up to 60%, 70% | 0:47:48 | 0:47:53 | |
of the chickens are contaminated with either salmonella or campylobacter. | 0:47:53 | 0:47:58 | |
This gel mimics those germs. | 0:48:00 | 0:48:02 | |
So there it is, I'm going to chop it up on my chopping board | 0:48:02 | 0:48:05 | |
into my saucepan. | 0:48:05 | 0:48:08 | |
Right, so what I want to do now is I want to prepare the salad. | 0:48:09 | 0:48:13 | |
We may not be aware of it, but as we go about our daily lives, | 0:48:18 | 0:48:23 | |
our hands come into contact with all manner of surfaces, | 0:48:23 | 0:48:27 | |
something that becomes evident when Sally turns off the lights. | 0:48:27 | 0:48:33 | |
The gel, which was invisible when we put it on the chicken, | 0:48:39 | 0:48:42 | |
now we can see it glows under ultraviolet light. | 0:48:42 | 0:48:44 | |
We can see exactly where the germs have gone. | 0:48:44 | 0:48:47 | |
We have a look at the chopping board, | 0:48:47 | 0:48:49 | |
you can see that even though we tried to clean it by wiping it | 0:48:49 | 0:48:53 | |
with a cloth, there's still lots of germs on the surface | 0:48:53 | 0:48:56 | |
and on the knife. | 0:48:56 | 0:48:57 | |
Both of my hands are heavily contaminated with the germs. | 0:48:57 | 0:49:01 | |
I wiped my hands on my pinafore | 0:49:01 | 0:49:04 | |
and you can see I put it on my face, | 0:49:04 | 0:49:07 | |
so I've even got germs on my face. | 0:49:07 | 0:49:09 | |
And of course, the result of all of that is that you can now see | 0:49:09 | 0:49:11 | |
there's plenty of germs have gone into the salad, and remember, | 0:49:11 | 0:49:14 | |
that's going to be eaten raw. | 0:49:14 | 0:49:16 | |
As Sally's demonstration shows, if we're not careful, | 0:49:25 | 0:49:29 | |
we can very easily re-engage with the wrong type of bacteria. | 0:49:29 | 0:49:33 | |
So good hygiene is about recognising that there are certain | 0:49:35 | 0:49:39 | |
superhighways by which germs are spread, | 0:49:39 | 0:49:42 | |
and by which we become exposed to them, | 0:49:42 | 0:49:45 | |
and targeting our hygiene at those surfaces at the right time. | 0:49:45 | 0:49:49 | |
From thoroughly washing everything after cooking... | 0:49:51 | 0:49:54 | |
Where you can, rinsing germs away with running water. | 0:49:56 | 0:49:59 | |
And where you can't, using antibacterial sprays, | 0:49:59 | 0:50:03 | |
to using and binning tissues and washing your hands | 0:50:03 | 0:50:06 | |
after going to the loo. | 0:50:06 | 0:50:08 | |
There we go, let's get that under there. | 0:50:08 | 0:50:10 | |
Or before you eat. | 0:50:10 | 0:50:12 | |
But we needn't apply this level of rigour to every aspect of our lives. | 0:50:16 | 0:50:20 | |
Look where you're going! | 0:50:21 | 0:50:23 | |
The challenge is to find a healthy balance. | 0:50:27 | 0:50:30 | |
Pedal! | 0:50:30 | 0:50:31 | |
One where we nurture our good bacteria whilst protecting ourselves | 0:50:31 | 0:50:36 | |
from harmful micro-organisms that cause disease. | 0:50:36 | 0:50:39 | |
Cover your brakes. | 0:50:39 | 0:50:41 | |
So it's not about whether we're clean. | 0:50:42 | 0:50:44 | |
It's about the fact that we've become afraid of getting dirty, | 0:50:44 | 0:50:48 | |
of going out and engaging with our microbial world. | 0:50:48 | 0:50:51 | |
-Morning! -CHILD: -Morning! | 0:50:53 | 0:50:55 | |
I'm on TV! | 0:50:56 | 0:50:57 | |
Right, OK, so let's get your bike. | 0:50:58 | 0:51:00 | |
HE RINGS BELL, HE SQUEAKS HORN | 0:51:00 | 0:51:02 | |
Horizon's experiment is coming to an end. | 0:51:04 | 0:51:07 | |
And as our families relive their experience, | 0:51:10 | 0:51:14 | |
Lindsay has one final finding to share with them. | 0:51:14 | 0:51:17 | |
One which proves just how disconnected | 0:51:22 | 0:51:24 | |
from the microbial world we've all become. | 0:51:24 | 0:51:26 | |
We put GPS on all of you, and we followed you for 24 hours | 0:51:32 | 0:51:36 | |
to see how much time you spent indoors and outdoors. | 0:51:36 | 0:51:40 | |
This graph shows the 20 hours and 58 minutes | 0:51:41 | 0:51:44 | |
that Danny spent indoors in one day. | 0:51:44 | 0:51:48 | |
We figured out that it was about 85% of your time spent indoors. | 0:51:48 | 0:51:53 | |
But that's normal. There was a study done a couple of years ago | 0:51:53 | 0:51:56 | |
that showed that on average we spent about 90% of our time indoors, | 0:51:56 | 0:52:00 | |
which we don't really think about, do we? | 0:52:00 | 0:52:02 | |
I pretty much live most of my life indoors, | 0:52:02 | 0:52:05 | |
my work dictates that. | 0:52:05 | 0:52:06 | |
So that's the hours of commuting, | 0:52:06 | 0:52:08 | |
probably popping out at lunch | 0:52:08 | 0:52:11 | |
and then back in the office until I leave. | 0:52:11 | 0:52:13 | |
-Yeah, for your hunter-gathering? -Yeah, that's about it, yeah. | 0:52:13 | 0:52:16 | |
But this indoor lifestyle has consequences | 0:52:18 | 0:52:21 | |
for the diversity of our microbes. | 0:52:21 | 0:52:23 | |
The swabs our families did of their TV remotes, kitchen tables | 0:52:25 | 0:52:29 | |
and floors, shows that these surfaces are covered in skin | 0:52:29 | 0:52:32 | |
and gut bacteria like staphylococcus and bifidobacteria. | 0:52:32 | 0:52:36 | |
You live inside, you share those bacteria with each other | 0:52:43 | 0:52:46 | |
and then you share it by kind of, you know, touching something | 0:52:46 | 0:52:48 | |
and then someone else comes and touches it and picks it up, | 0:52:48 | 0:52:51 | |
and just by personal contact and stuff as well. | 0:52:51 | 0:52:53 | |
And if we're inside, then we're all just sharing what we've got indoors. | 0:52:53 | 0:52:57 | |
And if you're outside, | 0:52:57 | 0:52:59 | |
you start to pick up a bit more kind of environmental bacteria. | 0:52:59 | 0:53:02 | |
For personal trainer, Paul... | 0:53:04 | 0:53:06 | |
And jump! Yeah, good boy. | 0:53:06 | 0:53:09 | |
..spending a lifetime outdoors does seem to have had | 0:53:09 | 0:53:12 | |
an impact on the diversity of his bacteria. | 0:53:12 | 0:53:14 | |
Look where you're going. | 0:53:15 | 0:53:17 | |
Really interesting, Paul, that you had loads of environmental | 0:53:17 | 0:53:20 | |
bacteria on your skin, but we also, when we did swabs of inside, | 0:53:20 | 0:53:25 | |
there was loads of environmental bacteria inside your house as well. | 0:53:25 | 0:53:28 | |
So you're obviously picking it up outside with your work | 0:53:28 | 0:53:31 | |
and then bringing it in and spreading it around. | 0:53:31 | 0:53:33 | |
However, as Morgan's allergies demonstrate, | 0:53:36 | 0:53:38 | |
no one factor is able to answer what's behind the allergy epidemic. | 0:53:38 | 0:53:43 | |
Though genes are important, | 0:53:43 | 0:53:45 | |
it's becoming increasingly clear that changes | 0:53:45 | 0:53:48 | |
to our environment may also hold the key to the rise in allergies, | 0:53:48 | 0:53:51 | |
and as scientists around the world start to discover | 0:53:51 | 0:53:54 | |
exactly what these changes are, | 0:53:54 | 0:53:56 | |
it's giving hope for children like Morgan in the future. | 0:53:56 | 0:54:00 | |
I worry so much about his asthma, running around too much | 0:54:01 | 0:54:04 | |
and overexerting himself. | 0:54:04 | 0:54:05 | |
Definitely taking that away with me, that I need to sort of | 0:54:05 | 0:54:08 | |
encourage him to be outside a hell of a lot more than what he is now. | 0:54:08 | 0:54:12 | |
Coming ready or not! | 0:54:12 | 0:54:13 | |
I think we live too much of a chemical life now, really. | 0:54:20 | 0:54:24 | |
Going back to being a bit more natural, being outside, | 0:54:24 | 0:54:27 | |
climbing trees. | 0:54:27 | 0:54:28 | |
We need to go a bit further back to that as we can | 0:54:31 | 0:54:34 | |
in this sort of modern world. | 0:54:34 | 0:54:36 | |
I hope that we can take what we've learned today | 0:54:38 | 0:54:41 | |
and hope to improve Joe's lifestyle in any way which we can, | 0:54:41 | 0:54:45 | |
and also the other families that are suffering in the same way too. | 0:54:45 | 0:54:49 | |
Look, we may be able to pull this off like that. | 0:54:59 | 0:55:02 | |
How about that? | 0:55:02 | 0:55:03 | |
Is there anything there? | 0:55:03 | 0:55:06 | |
Like our families, perhaps the best thing all of us | 0:55:09 | 0:55:12 | |
can do to improve our microbial health is simply reconnect | 0:55:12 | 0:55:15 | |
with those old friends that we evolved with. | 0:55:15 | 0:55:18 | |
That's your idea of big, is it, Emma? | 0:55:18 | 0:55:21 | |
This is Harry, the cocker spaniel. | 0:55:21 | 0:55:23 | |
Harry! This is brilliant. | 0:55:25 | 0:55:27 | |
He's helping his proud owners, | 0:55:27 | 0:55:29 | |
Graham Rook's grandchildren - Emma and Ollie - | 0:55:29 | 0:55:32 | |
to find bugs and beasties. | 0:55:32 | 0:55:33 | |
Wonderful. Thank you, Harry. That's a huge beast. | 0:55:33 | 0:55:37 | |
There's got to be a bug under there. | 0:55:37 | 0:55:40 | |
Oh, look, that little centipede. | 0:55:40 | 0:55:42 | |
We've got two millipedes and lots more woodlice. | 0:55:42 | 0:55:45 | |
And these little guys. | 0:55:45 | 0:55:47 | |
Digging in the dirt is admittedly more of a canine pastime, | 0:55:48 | 0:55:52 | |
but we could learn a thing or two from Harry. | 0:55:52 | 0:55:54 | |
Well, we just saw Harry, for reasons I am unable to understand, | 0:55:56 | 0:56:00 | |
digging holes. | 0:56:00 | 0:56:01 | |
You know, I mean, he's got to pick up all sorts of interesting organisms | 0:56:01 | 0:56:05 | |
from the environment there. | 0:56:05 | 0:56:06 | |
He's managed to get some gubbins onto the lens. | 0:56:08 | 0:56:11 | |
Studies suggest that reconnecting with bacteria in the natural world | 0:56:13 | 0:56:17 | |
is good for our health. | 0:56:17 | 0:56:18 | |
Ooh, you finding anything else? | 0:56:20 | 0:56:22 | |
We can't all have dogs, but there are other ways to re-engage with | 0:56:25 | 0:56:29 | |
green spaces, no matter how small they may be. | 0:56:29 | 0:56:34 | |
Well, first we need to know more about what the ideal | 0:56:37 | 0:56:40 | |
small green space would be, and what are the right plants | 0:56:40 | 0:56:43 | |
to have in it to encourage the right micro-organisms and so on. | 0:56:43 | 0:56:47 | |
Oh, look, there's a millipede. | 0:56:47 | 0:56:49 | |
It might mean then that to get the health benefit of green space, | 0:56:49 | 0:56:53 | |
you don't have to have places the size of Richmond Park here. | 0:56:53 | 0:56:57 | |
It might be possible to have much smaller green spaces | 0:56:57 | 0:57:00 | |
that are specifically designed to contain and release | 0:57:00 | 0:57:04 | |
into the environment the right micro-organism. | 0:57:04 | 0:57:08 | |
It'll come. You know, there are going to be ways ahead for all of this. | 0:57:08 | 0:57:11 | |
Come on, let's go for a walk. | 0:57:11 | 0:57:15 | |
Scientists may still be on the cusp of understanding precisely | 0:57:20 | 0:57:23 | |
which bacteria we need to reconnect with. | 0:57:23 | 0:57:25 | |
Hey, what sort of poo is that? | 0:57:25 | 0:57:27 | |
But Graham has no doubt about how important they are for our health. | 0:57:27 | 0:57:31 | |
There are still of course a few people left on planet Earth | 0:57:38 | 0:57:41 | |
who think of humans as some sort of plastic creature | 0:57:41 | 0:57:44 | |
that arrived from space, and was plonked onto a world | 0:57:44 | 0:57:48 | |
and is completely separate from that world, but of course we aren't. | 0:57:48 | 0:57:51 | |
We evolved within this biosphere. | 0:57:51 | 0:57:54 | |
We are a part of this biosphere, | 0:57:54 | 0:57:56 | |
and in a way this realisation that humans are in fact ecosystems | 0:57:56 | 0:58:01 | |
and that we depend so much on these micro-organisms is probably | 0:58:01 | 0:58:05 | |
the most important advance in medicine in the last hundred years. | 0:58:05 | 0:58:09 | |
I would regard it as more important in a way than | 0:58:09 | 0:58:12 | |
the solving of the genetic code. | 0:58:12 | 0:58:15 | |
For a start, most of our genes are not human anyway. | 0:58:15 | 0:58:19 | |
Come on, then! | 0:58:19 | 0:58:20 |