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LEOPARD GROWLS | 0:00:19 | 0:00:21 | |
Across India, two worlds are colliding. | 0:00:25 | 0:00:28 | |
Every year, scores of people are killed by leopards. | 0:00:35 | 0:00:39 | |
And hundreds of these big cats are stoned, trapped or shot. | 0:00:42 | 0:00:48 | |
I grew up in India, | 0:00:56 | 0:00:59 | |
and I've devoted my life to conserving its wild creatures. | 0:00:59 | 0:01:03 | |
What interests me is the story behind the headlines. | 0:01:08 | 0:01:12 | |
What is it really like, living with these animals on your doorstep? | 0:01:15 | 0:01:20 | |
And how does one of the world's top predators survive | 0:01:23 | 0:01:27 | |
in a country of over a billion people? | 0:01:27 | 0:01:30 | |
This programme contains scenes which some viewers may find upsetting. | 0:01:30 | 0:01:38 | |
South India has been my home for 50 years. | 0:01:41 | 0:01:45 | |
I'd always felt safe here, at least from wild animals. | 0:01:48 | 0:01:51 | |
I'll never forget when that changed. | 0:01:53 | 0:01:55 | |
The day we suspected that something went wrong is | 0:01:56 | 0:01:59 | |
when our dog disappeared. | 0:01:59 | 0:02:01 | |
We actually made a complaint to the police, saying that our dog's | 0:02:01 | 0:02:05 | |
been stolen and put in a reward for his recovery. | 0:02:05 | 0:02:08 | |
A few days after Karadi disappeared, | 0:02:10 | 0:02:13 | |
our neighbours were looking up on the hill and saw an animal up | 0:02:13 | 0:02:17 | |
there, which they actually thought was Karadi and called him, but | 0:02:17 | 0:02:22 | |
whatever it was, it turned around and slunk off into the forest. | 0:02:22 | 0:02:25 | |
Soon after that, I hired a couple of trackers. | 0:02:28 | 0:02:31 | |
The first thing they actually found was the dog's hair | 0:02:33 | 0:02:36 | |
on the top of the fence, and I said, | 0:02:36 | 0:02:38 | |
"Well, obviously, he jumped over, gone to the road, gotten stolen". | 0:02:38 | 0:02:42 | |
I mean, it all sort of added up. | 0:02:42 | 0:02:43 | |
But they kept finding bits of hair... | 0:02:45 | 0:02:48 | |
..and eventually found Karadi's remains. | 0:02:49 | 0:02:52 | |
Our magnificent German Shepherd, | 0:02:54 | 0:02:56 | |
the most beautiful dog we'd ever owned, | 0:02:56 | 0:02:58 | |
had been reduced to skin and bones. | 0:02:58 | 0:03:00 | |
I had my suspicions about what had done it. | 0:03:04 | 0:03:07 | |
As a precaution, I started locking up the dogs at night. | 0:03:10 | 0:03:14 | |
Then, after nine months, the killer returned. | 0:03:20 | 0:03:24 | |
I turned around to go back into the house, | 0:03:34 | 0:03:36 | |
when suddenly I heard this blood curdling sound. | 0:03:36 | 0:03:39 | |
DOG HOWLS | 0:03:39 | 0:03:41 | |
I immediately whipped around - | 0:03:41 | 0:03:43 | |
there was a leopard on top of Coco, right there. | 0:03:43 | 0:03:46 | |
It grabbed Coco by the throat, | 0:03:53 | 0:03:54 | |
and it was raking the body with her claws. | 0:03:54 | 0:03:57 | |
The leopard looked up, saw me coming, I turned | 0:03:57 | 0:04:00 | |
around to see where Jonaki was, I looked back, the leopard was gone. | 0:04:00 | 0:04:04 | |
There was no doubt about it, we were living with a leopard. | 0:04:06 | 0:04:10 | |
Leopards are notoriously secretive animals. | 0:04:17 | 0:04:21 | |
They often go unnoticed, despite being more widespread | 0:04:21 | 0:04:24 | |
and more abundant than any other cat. | 0:04:24 | 0:04:26 | |
Pound for pound, they're extremely powerful. | 0:04:29 | 0:04:32 | |
Whether fighting or hunting, it's their sharp claws | 0:04:38 | 0:04:41 | |
and dagger-like canines that do the damage. | 0:04:41 | 0:04:44 | |
What sets them apart though is their sheer opportunism. | 0:04:53 | 0:04:57 | |
They'll eat almost anything, from an insect to a buffalo. | 0:04:57 | 0:05:02 | |
And this natural versatility enables them to exploit our world, | 0:05:02 | 0:05:06 | |
as my dog had just learned to its cost. | 0:05:06 | 0:05:09 | |
The near fatal attack on Coco had been so quick, | 0:05:14 | 0:05:18 | |
I'd barely glimpsed the leopard. | 0:05:18 | 0:05:21 | |
It took me months to get a picture of it on my camera trap. | 0:05:24 | 0:05:28 | |
When I eventually succeeded, | 0:05:28 | 0:05:30 | |
I could hardly believe the size of the animal. | 0:05:30 | 0:05:33 | |
I started looking into the severity | 0:05:38 | 0:05:40 | |
and frequency of leopard attacks on people. | 0:05:40 | 0:05:42 | |
And the more you look, the crazier it gets. | 0:05:44 | 0:05:48 | |
It seems that run ins with these big cats are happening more often. | 0:05:51 | 0:05:56 | |
HE SPEAKS HINDI | 0:05:59 | 0:06:01 | |
Fatal encounters are being reported from all over the country. | 0:06:01 | 0:06:05 | |
In fields, villages, and even cities. | 0:06:08 | 0:06:14 | |
LOUD CHATTERING | 0:06:14 | 0:06:16 | |
In fact, leopards now kill far more people than tigers. | 0:06:22 | 0:06:26 | |
Is it because we're encroaching too much into their habitat? | 0:06:33 | 0:06:36 | |
Or are there different factors at play? | 0:06:37 | 0:06:40 | |
Why is it that some leopards prefer to avoid us, | 0:06:40 | 0:06:45 | |
while others become man-eaters? | 0:06:45 | 0:06:49 | |
I'm heading first to Rajasthan. | 0:06:55 | 0:06:57 | |
The place I'm going to is a long way from any national park, | 0:06:59 | 0:07:03 | |
yet it's said to be one of the best spots in India to see wild leopards. | 0:07:03 | 0:07:07 | |
Even in rural backwaters, India is developing at a staggering pace. | 0:07:18 | 0:07:22 | |
When you realise that less than 5% of the country is set aside | 0:07:24 | 0:07:28 | |
for wildlife, it's remarkable how many wild animals are still around. | 0:07:28 | 0:07:32 | |
Leopards have fared much better than tigers, | 0:07:36 | 0:07:40 | |
in part because they are more adaptable. | 0:07:40 | 0:07:43 | |
Around half of them, 7,000 perhaps, are thought to live | 0:07:49 | 0:07:53 | |
outside national parks, in more or less close contact with humans. | 0:07:53 | 0:07:57 | |
I'm here in north west India, in Rajasthan. | 0:08:08 | 0:08:11 | |
I've come here because it's a very similar situation to where we live - | 0:08:11 | 0:08:15 | |
there are a lot of hillocks around here, | 0:08:15 | 0:08:19 | |
surrounded by agriculture, people living everywhere. | 0:08:19 | 0:08:23 | |
And leopards. | 0:08:23 | 0:08:24 | |
No-one knows these leopards better than local naturalist Davey Singh. | 0:08:31 | 0:08:35 | |
I've been coming here every day, morning and evening. | 0:08:36 | 0:08:40 | |
-If I see a leopard, I get a high. -Yeah. | 0:08:40 | 0:08:42 | |
It's like having a big old scotch. On the rocks. | 0:08:42 | 0:08:45 | |
For nearly ten years, Davey has been following one particular leopard. | 0:08:48 | 0:08:53 | |
Zara, her family, they have never disappointed me. | 0:08:57 | 0:09:01 | |
Once I see them, I'm very happy. | 0:09:01 | 0:09:03 | |
What does your wife think about you spending all this time here? | 0:09:05 | 0:09:08 | |
My wife knows my passion, that I'm mad over leopards, | 0:09:10 | 0:09:13 | |
and I can't do without seeing leopards every day. | 0:09:13 | 0:09:16 | |
It's rare to see a leopard so clearly, under any circumstances. | 0:09:20 | 0:09:24 | |
What's surprising though is how many of these cats seem to be | 0:09:26 | 0:09:29 | |
hanging out here, on this one hill. | 0:09:29 | 0:09:31 | |
-That split rock, you see? -Yeah. | 0:09:32 | 0:09:35 | |
That very much looks like Zara's head. | 0:09:35 | 0:09:38 | |
One by one, more leopards come out to relax. | 0:09:41 | 0:09:44 | |
The standard line is that these are very solitary creatures. | 0:09:50 | 0:09:55 | |
Can you tell me how many leopards you've seen in one place? | 0:09:55 | 0:09:58 | |
-I've seen six here. -Together? | 0:10:00 | 0:10:02 | |
Together. | 0:10:02 | 0:10:03 | |
-All hanging out together. -All hanging out together. | 0:10:05 | 0:10:08 | |
It's great. It's like a pride of lions. | 0:10:08 | 0:10:12 | |
It is. | 0:10:12 | 0:10:14 | |
Perhaps leopards are more sociable than we've been led to believe. | 0:10:19 | 0:10:24 | |
It's fascinating to see an entire family relaxing so openly, | 0:10:24 | 0:10:28 | |
so close to human activity. | 0:10:28 | 0:10:29 | |
For local guys like Magarim, | 0:10:33 | 0:10:36 | |
the presence of leopards creates an obvious problem. | 0:10:36 | 0:10:39 | |
What's crazy to me is that people like Magarim seem more | 0:11:48 | 0:11:52 | |
worried about their cows and goats than their own safety. | 0:11:52 | 0:11:55 | |
When I asked him about humans, he says it hasn't happened, | 0:12:07 | 0:12:09 | |
he hasn't heard of it, and he's not worried about it. | 0:12:09 | 0:12:12 | |
For centuries, | 0:12:16 | 0:12:18 | |
this is probably how it's been with leopards across most of India. | 0:12:18 | 0:12:22 | |
A constant tussle over livestock, but few attacks on people. | 0:12:22 | 0:12:27 | |
Leopards are much more active after dark. | 0:12:35 | 0:12:37 | |
With two large cubs to feed, there's a good chance that Zara will | 0:12:40 | 0:12:44 | |
sneak down off the hill in search of a meal. | 0:12:44 | 0:12:47 | |
Livestock isn't always available, | 0:13:25 | 0:13:27 | |
but leopards are adept at surviving on small game like hares. | 0:13:27 | 0:13:31 | |
After a couple of hours, Zara appears without warning. | 0:13:42 | 0:13:48 | |
She's surprisingly close. | 0:13:51 | 0:13:53 | |
I try to read her body language. | 0:13:57 | 0:14:00 | |
She doesn't appear to be stalking us, | 0:14:02 | 0:14:05 | |
yet I well know what a leopard can do to a person, if it chooses. | 0:14:05 | 0:14:09 | |
What bothers me, and the big question is, | 0:14:14 | 0:14:18 | |
what makes a leopard turn bad? | 0:14:18 | 0:14:20 | |
Why do some leopards become man-eaters? | 0:14:20 | 0:14:23 | |
The leopards in this area are very, very friendly. | 0:14:24 | 0:14:29 | |
In fact, when a person steps down from a jeep, | 0:14:29 | 0:14:33 | |
they won't come towards you. | 0:14:33 | 0:14:35 | |
The moment they hear your footsteps, they tend to run away into the bush. | 0:14:35 | 0:14:40 | |
I have never had a man-eater. | 0:14:43 | 0:14:46 | |
For leopards, humans would be such easy prey. | 0:14:59 | 0:15:03 | |
Considering how soft and puny we are, it's remarkable | 0:15:06 | 0:15:10 | |
that most of them stick to eating livestock. | 0:15:10 | 0:15:13 | |
It seems to me that, in India, | 0:15:18 | 0:15:21 | |
an ancient and balanced relationship exists between humans and leopards. | 0:15:21 | 0:15:25 | |
And to upset this relationship, something definite has to change. | 0:15:26 | 0:15:31 | |
To find out why things go wrong, I leave Rajasthan, | 0:15:39 | 0:15:43 | |
and head north to the state of Uttarakhand. | 0:15:43 | 0:15:47 | |
When it comes to man-eaters, this place is in a league of its own. | 0:15:47 | 0:15:51 | |
The foothills of the Himalayas are truly spectacular, | 0:15:59 | 0:16:03 | |
but I'm not here to enjoy the scenery. | 0:16:03 | 0:16:06 | |
Ten days ago, in a remote settlement, | 0:16:06 | 0:16:08 | |
a five-year-old boy was killed. | 0:16:08 | 0:16:10 | |
SHE WAILS | 0:16:12 | 0:16:15 | |
The latest victim in a region long infamous for its deadly cats. | 0:16:15 | 0:16:19 | |
This one state has by far the highest concentration | 0:16:26 | 0:16:30 | |
of leopard attacks in India. | 0:16:30 | 0:16:33 | |
About 70 people are taken every year. | 0:16:33 | 0:16:35 | |
It was in these very valleys, nearly 100 years ago, | 0:16:38 | 0:16:41 | |
that pilgrims on their way to the holy shrines | 0:16:41 | 0:16:44 | |
at the source of the Ganges were also stopped by leopards. | 0:16:44 | 0:16:47 | |
Between 1918 and 1926, | 0:16:50 | 0:16:53 | |
one of these leopards, the man-eater Rudraprayag, | 0:16:53 | 0:16:57 | |
is said to have killed 125 people. | 0:16:57 | 0:17:00 | |
Its reign of terror was finally by a hunter called Jim Corbett. | 0:17:07 | 0:17:11 | |
Why these particular hills should be so cursed is a mystery. | 0:17:19 | 0:17:22 | |
But the numbers are pretty sobering. | 0:17:25 | 0:17:27 | |
HE SPEAKS HINDI | 0:17:28 | 0:17:30 | |
When local teacher maths teacher Latpuk Singhrowat | 0:17:32 | 0:17:36 | |
lost his ninth pupil to a leopard, he finally snapped, | 0:17:36 | 0:17:39 | |
and applied for a special permit to hunt the culprit. | 0:17:39 | 0:17:43 | |
By the time he got the go-ahead, | 0:17:51 | 0:17:54 | |
three more of his students had been eaten. | 0:17:54 | 0:17:56 | |
It took him several nights to get a clear shot, | 0:17:59 | 0:18:03 | |
and in the ten years since that first kill, | 0:18:03 | 0:18:07 | |
he's taken out a further 39 man-eaters. | 0:18:07 | 0:18:10 | |
In fact, he's now the go-to man whenever there's a problem. | 0:18:12 | 0:18:16 | |
And he appears to be keeping himself busy. | 0:18:17 | 0:18:20 | |
An almost unbearable number of the victims in these stories | 0:19:34 | 0:19:40 | |
are children. | 0:19:40 | 0:19:41 | |
THEY SPEAK HINDI | 0:19:41 | 0:19:44 | |
There's, uh, several extremely disturbing pictures | 0:19:46 | 0:19:51 | |
of some of the victims, and just out of respect for the families, | 0:19:51 | 0:19:55 | |
we would never show this to you, but it is pretty obvious that | 0:19:55 | 0:19:59 | |
the leopard has grabbed this particular victim by the throat | 0:19:59 | 0:20:04 | |
and dragged the child through the forest. | 0:20:04 | 0:20:06 | |
These are all things that are extremely difficult to look at. | 0:20:09 | 0:20:14 | |
What's so puzzling and so upsetting is why there are | 0:20:16 | 0:20:19 | |
so many attacks here. | 0:20:19 | 0:20:21 | |
In Rajasthan, there were none. | 0:20:23 | 0:20:25 | |
Is there now just too little left in these hills for leopards to hunt? | 0:21:24 | 0:21:28 | |
I can imagine how a hungry leopard might be drawn to a village, | 0:21:37 | 0:21:41 | |
in search of a meal. | 0:21:41 | 0:21:43 | |
But does this explain why so many humans are being attacked? | 0:21:45 | 0:21:49 | |
I'd expect them to come looking for cows and goats, not people. | 0:21:56 | 0:22:01 | |
To learn more about the circumstances of the latest attack, | 0:22:10 | 0:22:14 | |
I'm in the town of Gaucher. | 0:22:14 | 0:22:16 | |
It was here that the five-year-old boy was gabbed ten days ago, | 0:22:20 | 0:22:23 | |
and his relatives have agreed to talk. | 0:22:23 | 0:22:26 | |
It was only the next morning that the boy was finally found. | 0:23:26 | 0:23:30 | |
Perhaps for a leopard, there's just no difference | 0:24:11 | 0:24:15 | |
between a goat and a human. | 0:24:15 | 0:24:16 | |
There is, however, another possible explanation | 0:24:20 | 0:24:23 | |
for the tragic situation that exists here. | 0:24:23 | 0:24:26 | |
Poaching, to supply body parts and skins to South East Asia, | 0:24:28 | 0:24:32 | |
is happening on a massive scale. | 0:24:32 | 0:24:35 | |
And this may be more relevant than we realise. | 0:24:37 | 0:24:40 | |
New research on mountain lions in America shows that when | 0:24:42 | 0:24:46 | |
big cats are hunted intensively, it can actually increase conflict. | 0:24:46 | 0:24:50 | |
Shoot a resident adult and several younger animals tend to move in. | 0:24:50 | 0:24:55 | |
Being less experienced in the ways of people, | 0:24:55 | 0:24:59 | |
these feline teenagers are much more liable to cause trouble. | 0:24:59 | 0:25:03 | |
A leopard that's killed once may be more likely to return. | 0:25:05 | 0:25:09 | |
Latpuk certainly thinks so. | 0:25:09 | 0:25:12 | |
It seems obvious that the man-eating leopard of Gaucher has to be | 0:25:52 | 0:25:56 | |
shot before it strikes again, | 0:25:56 | 0:25:59 | |
yet as I set out with Latpuk to track the leopard that ate the boy, | 0:25:59 | 0:26:04 | |
there's a nagging question at the back of my mind. | 0:26:04 | 0:26:06 | |
How is it possible to identify the real culprit? | 0:26:08 | 0:26:11 | |
SHE SPEAKS HINDI | 0:26:13 | 0:26:16 | |
She heard a rock falling down, she saw a tail disappearing, | 0:26:20 | 0:26:23 | |
dogs barking hysterically. | 0:26:23 | 0:26:25 | |
Shooting the wrong cat won't just fail to solve the problem. | 0:26:28 | 0:26:33 | |
There's a good chance it will make it worse. | 0:26:33 | 0:26:36 | |
THEY SPEAK HINDI | 0:26:37 | 0:26:39 | |
At the edge of the village, the boy's uncle points us | 0:26:45 | 0:26:47 | |
to fresh leopard tracks, close to where his nephew was killed. | 0:26:47 | 0:26:51 | |
Latpuk claims that man-eaters only hunt between 6.00 and 8.00, | 0:26:53 | 0:26:58 | |
because that's when children are about. | 0:26:58 | 0:27:01 | |
In his eyes, any leopard that shows up during these hours is fair game. | 0:27:01 | 0:27:05 | |
That's the house, the one with the light on, where the boy was taken. | 0:27:09 | 0:27:13 | |
Beyond the village, the track climbs steeply. | 0:27:16 | 0:27:19 | |
There are likely to be several leopards in this area, | 0:27:19 | 0:27:22 | |
all known to each other. | 0:27:22 | 0:27:23 | |
This is where the leopard scratched. | 0:27:29 | 0:27:32 | |
THEY SPEAK HINDI | 0:27:32 | 0:27:33 | |
The problem is always trying to identify which is | 0:27:35 | 0:27:38 | |
the responsible animal. | 0:27:38 | 0:27:39 | |
Are they killing the right one? | 0:27:42 | 0:27:43 | |
DOGS BARK | 0:27:49 | 0:27:51 | |
There's some more tracks here. | 0:27:53 | 0:27:56 | |
Look at this. And that. | 0:27:56 | 0:27:58 | |
THEY SPEAK HINDI | 0:27:58 | 0:28:01 | |
From using the hind legs. | 0:28:01 | 0:28:03 | |
No clear paw prints are left at the scene of the attack, | 0:28:05 | 0:28:08 | |
and in any case, it's almost impossible to identify | 0:28:08 | 0:28:12 | |
an individual leopard from its tracks. | 0:28:12 | 0:28:15 | |
By 8.30, we still haven't found the leopard, | 0:28:22 | 0:28:25 | |
and Latpuk calls time. | 0:28:25 | 0:28:27 | |
The Gaucher man-eater is still out here, and I'm left in two minds. | 0:28:32 | 0:28:37 | |
I can understand people's fear, and their desire for justice, | 0:28:41 | 0:28:45 | |
but in the wider scheme of things, I wonder if all this shooting | 0:28:45 | 0:28:51 | |
is just creating more man-eaters and more misery. | 0:28:51 | 0:28:56 | |
I leave Uttarakhand with more questions than I came with. | 0:29:00 | 0:29:03 | |
600 miles south, in the state of Maharashtra, | 0:29:07 | 0:29:11 | |
science is starting to give us some much needed answers. | 0:29:11 | 0:29:14 | |
There's no jungle here at all. | 0:29:21 | 0:29:24 | |
For mile upon mile, it's just villages and fields. | 0:29:24 | 0:29:28 | |
But the sugar cane provides perfect cover. | 0:29:35 | 0:29:38 | |
And for an ambush hunter with broad tastes, there's plenty to eat. | 0:29:42 | 0:29:46 | |
In its own way, this densely settled farmland is a leopard's paradise. | 0:29:49 | 0:29:54 | |
Everybody thinks the leopards have to be in the jungle, | 0:30:00 | 0:30:02 | |
they can't be anywhere else, but nobody's told that to the leopards. | 0:30:02 | 0:30:06 | |
I've come here to meet Dr Vidya Arthreya, the only person | 0:30:09 | 0:30:13 | |
who's really studied leopards in a purely human landscape. | 0:30:13 | 0:30:17 | |
THEY SPEAK HINDI | 0:30:18 | 0:30:20 | |
It's her detective work | 0:30:23 | 0:30:25 | |
that solved a crucial piece of the man-eating puzzle. | 0:30:25 | 0:30:28 | |
The trouble began several years ago, when everyone decided | 0:30:31 | 0:30:35 | |
that the leopards here belonged in the jungle and had to be sent back. | 0:30:35 | 0:30:40 | |
The leopards were trapped from the sugar cane areas | 0:30:40 | 0:30:43 | |
and released in the forest. | 0:30:43 | 0:30:45 | |
106 leopards were captured in three years. | 0:30:46 | 0:30:50 | |
Within a week or so of those releases, | 0:30:50 | 0:30:53 | |
attacks on people started happening. | 0:30:53 | 0:30:55 | |
The whole year before that, there were no attacks, | 0:31:03 | 0:31:06 | |
and then there was this steep spike. | 0:31:06 | 0:31:09 | |
We had 25 attacks. | 0:31:09 | 0:31:10 | |
The leopards were going into houses, picking up children | 0:31:15 | 0:31:19 | |
and dragging them away. | 0:31:19 | 0:31:20 | |
In the whole of India, only the state of Uttarakhand was worse. | 0:31:22 | 0:31:25 | |
What's difficult to understand is why should just taking | 0:31:26 | 0:31:30 | |
a leopard from one place | 0:31:30 | 0:31:31 | |
and putting it in another place cause all these problems? | 0:31:31 | 0:31:34 | |
What effect would translocation have on a leopard? | 0:31:34 | 0:31:37 | |
It seems that the actual act of capturing the animal leads to stress. | 0:31:37 | 0:31:41 | |
People are around it, it gets injured. | 0:31:46 | 0:31:49 | |
Every leopard captured here suffered a terrible ordeal. | 0:31:51 | 0:31:55 | |
Highly stressed, the animals were taken up to 150 miles away | 0:31:57 | 0:32:02 | |
and literally dumped. | 0:32:02 | 0:32:03 | |
You take such an animal, and go put it in some forest? | 0:32:03 | 0:32:07 | |
It's never seen a forest in its life. | 0:32:07 | 0:32:09 | |
They don't know anything about that. | 0:32:09 | 0:32:12 | |
So they're screwed up. | 0:32:13 | 0:32:15 | |
Many of these release sites, they have their own leopards. | 0:32:20 | 0:32:24 | |
It is a hostile environment. | 0:32:24 | 0:32:26 | |
Rom, it's like picking you up and dropping you maybe in to Baghdad. | 0:32:28 | 0:32:31 | |
It just leads to a much more stressed out leopard, | 0:32:31 | 0:32:34 | |
in a place it doesn't know and they are hungry. | 0:32:34 | 0:32:37 | |
And the most common thing for them to find in India is humans. | 0:32:44 | 0:32:49 | |
I think that, to a very large extent, man-eaters are man-made. | 0:32:57 | 0:33:01 | |
This simple idea, that messing with leopards is what turns them bad, | 0:33:01 | 0:33:06 | |
is a fascinating thought. | 0:33:06 | 0:33:08 | |
But I haven't forgotten about my leopard back home, | 0:33:10 | 0:33:13 | |
and what it's capable of. | 0:33:13 | 0:33:15 | |
The presence of a predatory animal means that problems could happen. | 0:33:17 | 0:33:23 | |
The risk is never zero. But if you just let them be, | 0:33:23 | 0:33:26 | |
then the problems are actually very, very little. | 0:33:26 | 0:33:30 | |
Well, some people would make the argument, | 0:33:32 | 0:33:34 | |
if there's even a slight risk, then why not just wipe them all out? | 0:33:34 | 0:33:37 | |
It's not possible to wipe them all out. | 0:33:37 | 0:33:39 | |
When you start killing the animals, | 0:33:39 | 0:33:41 | |
that weakened territory is immediately filled up. | 0:33:41 | 0:33:44 | |
Other animals from up to 100, 200 kilometres away | 0:33:44 | 0:33:46 | |
come and stay in that area. | 0:33:46 | 0:33:49 | |
Whether we like it or not, leopards tend to disperse out of forests. | 0:33:56 | 0:34:00 | |
We don't have a choice. | 0:34:01 | 0:34:03 | |
The leopards are going to be living near humans, | 0:34:03 | 0:34:06 | |
and when you start killing them, the problem escalates. | 0:34:06 | 0:34:09 | |
The attempt to rid these farmlands of leopards | 0:34:13 | 0:34:16 | |
proved a tragic mistake for all. | 0:34:16 | 0:34:18 | |
As well as leading to 18 human deaths, | 0:34:20 | 0:34:23 | |
it also created dozens of orphaned and traumatised animals. | 0:34:23 | 0:34:27 | |
So how many leopards are here now? | 0:34:31 | 0:34:33 | |
At the moment we have 26 leopards that are not releasable. | 0:34:33 | 0:34:38 | |
Once they grow big, then they just don't know their own strength. | 0:34:38 | 0:34:42 | |
Sure. | 0:34:42 | 0:34:43 | |
Kartick Satyanarayan is co-founder of Wildlife SOS, | 0:34:48 | 0:34:52 | |
an outfit that cares for convicted man-eaters. | 0:34:52 | 0:34:57 | |
Trapping is a big problem, because the minute the leopard is caught, | 0:34:57 | 0:35:00 | |
-he's just going to go attack that trap cage like mad. -Yeah. | 0:35:00 | 0:35:03 | |
To try and get away, and that's a huge problem because the trap cage | 0:35:03 | 0:35:09 | |
is metal, and you know, he just breaks all his teeth, | 0:35:09 | 0:35:13 | |
injures himself and just makes a complete mess of that leopard. | 0:35:13 | 0:35:17 | |
SHOUTING AND GROWLING | 0:35:17 | 0:35:18 | |
It's irreparably damaged. | 0:35:22 | 0:35:24 | |
Who's this? | 0:35:25 | 0:35:27 | |
This is Arjun. Sadly, he's a confirmed man-eater. | 0:35:27 | 0:35:30 | |
You can't stand in front of him | 0:35:30 | 0:35:32 | |
for more than a couple of minutes before he displays all his fangs. | 0:35:32 | 0:35:36 | |
He still, I think, hates people. | 0:35:37 | 0:35:40 | |
And of course, he's handsome as hell. | 0:35:40 | 0:35:42 | |
Animals like this certainly can't be released. | 0:35:44 | 0:35:48 | |
So what's this guy's story? | 0:35:50 | 0:35:51 | |
This is Shiva. He's been here about eight years now. | 0:35:51 | 0:35:54 | |
He would have probably been trapped in a very difficult situation. | 0:36:00 | 0:36:06 | |
Stoned, probably mobbed, partly lynched. | 0:36:06 | 0:36:10 | |
Then, got into a cage, and lived in a cage, | 0:36:10 | 0:36:13 | |
which is the size of a dining table, | 0:36:13 | 0:36:15 | |
for maybe three or four years before we got him into this. | 0:36:15 | 0:36:18 | |
He doesn't want to have anything more to do with human beings. | 0:36:21 | 0:36:24 | |
Unfortunately, I think there is going to be some collateral damage | 0:36:27 | 0:36:31 | |
when people clash with wildlife, | 0:36:31 | 0:36:33 | |
and that will result in places like this, lifetime care centres | 0:36:33 | 0:36:36 | |
where you have to keep animals that can't be released. | 0:36:36 | 0:36:39 | |
We don't want centres like this in the future. | 0:36:44 | 0:36:47 | |
I think there's got to be a lot of emphasis on getting | 0:36:47 | 0:36:50 | |
people to become more tolerant. | 0:36:50 | 0:36:52 | |
Across large areas of Maharashtra, | 0:37:00 | 0:37:03 | |
people are quietly adapting to the presence of big cats. | 0:37:03 | 0:37:07 | |
Practically everyone I meet here has a leopard story. | 0:37:09 | 0:37:13 | |
THEY SPEAK HINDI | 0:37:13 | 0:37:15 | |
Yet, they don't seem to be living in fear. | 0:37:15 | 0:37:18 | |
As you'd expect, the locals are pretty clued in. | 0:37:20 | 0:37:25 | |
Kids don't wander around after dark, | 0:37:25 | 0:37:28 | |
and many people fit their pet dogs with special protection. | 0:37:28 | 0:37:32 | |
That's a wicked looking collar you've got there. | 0:37:34 | 0:37:36 | |
Look at the spikes on this thing. | 0:37:36 | 0:37:39 | |
Man, I can just imagine a leopard trying to grab at either | 0:37:39 | 0:37:42 | |
the top or the bottom is going to have one very, very sore mouth. | 0:37:42 | 0:37:46 | |
Watch out for leopards, I mean, despite your collar. | 0:37:46 | 0:37:49 | |
You've got to be careful. | 0:37:49 | 0:37:50 | |
At times, the local attitude to leopards | 0:37:55 | 0:37:58 | |
goes way beyond mere tolerance. | 0:37:58 | 0:38:00 | |
They actually rescue cats that land in trouble. | 0:38:00 | 0:38:03 | |
Deep agricultural wells are one of the biggest pitfalls around here. | 0:38:05 | 0:38:10 | |
Leopards often fall into them while chasing dogs, | 0:38:13 | 0:38:16 | |
and fishing them out can take a lot of time and trouble. | 0:38:16 | 0:38:20 | |
LEOPARD ROARS | 0:38:20 | 0:38:21 | |
INDISTINCT SHOUTS | 0:38:24 | 0:38:26 | |
After an all-clear from the vet, | 0:38:44 | 0:38:46 | |
it'll be set free in its own territory. | 0:38:46 | 0:38:49 | |
It's what works best for both villagers and leopards alike. | 0:38:50 | 0:38:53 | |
There are over 500 people per square mile here, | 0:38:58 | 0:39:01 | |
and a density of leopards comparable to a national park. | 0:39:01 | 0:39:05 | |
So how do these cats adapt to living alongside so many of us? | 0:39:06 | 0:39:10 | |
When Vidya tells me there's a fresh kill right next to a village, | 0:39:15 | 0:39:19 | |
I'm eager to stake it out. | 0:39:19 | 0:39:22 | |
There's a chance I'll be able to see how a leopard reacts | 0:39:22 | 0:39:25 | |
to the presence of people. | 0:39:25 | 0:39:27 | |
It's pitch black, | 0:39:33 | 0:39:34 | |
but our thermal camera reveals every detail in the darkness. | 0:39:34 | 0:39:38 | |
DOGS BARK | 0:39:53 | 0:39:55 | |
Right now, the dogs are going at it. | 0:39:58 | 0:40:01 | |
It will be interesting to see when the dogs actually leave. | 0:40:02 | 0:40:05 | |
They might want to get the heck out of here. | 0:40:05 | 0:40:07 | |
Leopards are not the only large carnivores | 0:40:15 | 0:40:18 | |
thriving in this landscape. | 0:40:18 | 0:40:20 | |
A hyena cruises in along the main road. | 0:40:24 | 0:40:27 | |
Maybe it's got wind of the carcass, but it gives it a wide berth. | 0:40:30 | 0:40:36 | |
Moments later, a leopard emerges to claim its meal. | 0:40:39 | 0:40:42 | |
Oh, God. | 0:40:49 | 0:40:51 | |
These sugar cane leopards are real heavyweights, | 0:41:09 | 0:41:13 | |
larger even than many of their African cousins. | 0:41:13 | 0:41:16 | |
He's tucking right in. | 0:41:20 | 0:41:21 | |
I'm sure he can hear us. | 0:41:24 | 0:41:26 | |
INDISTINCT CHATTERING | 0:41:26 | 0:41:28 | |
He's gone away from the carcass now, he's lying down. | 0:41:40 | 0:41:44 | |
He's totally relaxed. He might even be asleep. | 0:41:55 | 0:41:58 | |
INDISTINCT CHATTERING | 0:41:59 | 0:42:01 | |
There's that footpath behind, there are two people walking on it. | 0:42:04 | 0:42:08 | |
He's got up. | 0:42:08 | 0:42:10 | |
-He's really close to the people -He's very close to them. | 0:42:12 | 0:42:16 | |
Oh, my God. | 0:42:19 | 0:42:20 | |
They're so close! You know, it couldn't be... | 0:42:29 | 0:42:31 | |
I'm sure those people don't know that the leopard is just behind them. | 0:42:31 | 0:42:34 | |
No, they don't. They're walking right by. | 0:42:34 | 0:42:37 | |
Is he looking at them, or what? | 0:42:37 | 0:42:39 | |
I can't tell. He's certainly faced in that direction. | 0:42:39 | 0:42:43 | |
Here, have a look. | 0:42:43 | 0:42:45 | |
-He's, he's coming back to the kill. -He's coming back? -Yeah, yeah. | 0:42:51 | 0:42:55 | |
This leopard is clearly very used to people. | 0:42:59 | 0:43:03 | |
Having watched the pedestrians pass, he simply continues with his meal. | 0:43:03 | 0:43:07 | |
This is quite a revelation to me, I'll tell you that. | 0:43:09 | 0:43:11 | |
I've just never seen anything like it. | 0:43:11 | 0:43:14 | |
Watching all this makes me a lot more relaxed about leopards. | 0:43:16 | 0:43:20 | |
And with Vidya close behind, | 0:43:20 | 0:43:23 | |
I decide to take the experiment a step further. | 0:43:23 | 0:43:25 | |
The big cat immediately comes to check us out. | 0:43:34 | 0:43:37 | |
Once it's gone back to its meal, I creep slowly toward it, | 0:43:48 | 0:43:53 | |
armed only with my nightscope. | 0:43:53 | 0:43:55 | |
As long as I'm watching him, I feel very cool with him. | 0:44:01 | 0:44:05 | |
As soon as I look away, I'm not really quite sure where he is | 0:44:05 | 0:44:09 | |
and I don't want to turn my back on him. | 0:44:09 | 0:44:11 | |
MOTORBIKE APPROACHES | 0:44:13 | 0:44:16 | |
A motorbike just went by behind him. He didn't even look up. | 0:44:23 | 0:44:27 | |
He's hardly 40 feet away. | 0:44:34 | 0:44:37 | |
Doesn't seem to be worried about me at all, I'm in full view of him. | 0:44:37 | 0:44:41 | |
He's still feasting. God. | 0:44:51 | 0:44:54 | |
This is a very different kind of leopard here. Amazing. | 0:45:03 | 0:45:09 | |
These farmland leopards know how to blend in. | 0:45:21 | 0:45:24 | |
Yet there may be an even more jaw dropping example of co-existence. | 0:45:24 | 0:45:29 | |
For years, I've been hearing | 0:45:32 | 0:45:34 | |
almost unbelievable stories about leopards in cities. | 0:45:34 | 0:45:38 | |
Heaving with over 20 million people, | 0:45:43 | 0:45:45 | |
it's the last place you'd expect to find big cats. | 0:45:45 | 0:45:49 | |
Mumbai is India's biggest city, | 0:45:49 | 0:45:52 | |
and the fourth largest metropolis in the world. | 0:45:52 | 0:45:55 | |
Incredibly, it also has the highest density of wild leopards | 0:45:57 | 0:46:02 | |
anywhere on Earth. | 0:46:02 | 0:46:04 | |
This urban jungle is the ultimate test of their adaptability. | 0:46:06 | 0:46:10 | |
This is the northern most tip of Bombay Island. | 0:46:21 | 0:46:26 | |
North of here is a quite densely forested area, | 0:46:28 | 0:46:31 | |
and it's perfect leopard habitat, | 0:46:31 | 0:46:32 | |
and if they're going to come from anywhere, | 0:46:32 | 0:46:35 | |
I would think it would be there. | 0:46:35 | 0:46:37 | |
It was the late '70s | 0:46:57 | 0:46:59 | |
when I started hearing stories about leopards in the city. | 0:46:59 | 0:47:02 | |
Leopards taking dogs, taking goats. | 0:47:02 | 0:47:04 | |
It was much later | 0:47:06 | 0:47:08 | |
when we actually heard of people being killed by leopards here. | 0:47:08 | 0:47:12 | |
Mumbai's leopards live mostly within Sanjay Gandhi National Park, | 0:47:17 | 0:47:21 | |
a stretch of forest that's now been engulfed by concrete suburbs | 0:47:21 | 0:47:25 | |
and crowded slums. | 0:47:25 | 0:47:28 | |
It's around the outskirts of the park, along roads | 0:47:39 | 0:47:42 | |
and among dwellings, that people are most likely to encounter leopards. | 0:47:42 | 0:47:46 | |
THEY SPEAK HINDI | 0:47:48 | 0:47:50 | |
For the most part, the cats are looking for their usual takeaway. | 0:48:01 | 0:48:05 | |
A slum dog a week is enough to keep a leopard well fed. | 0:48:07 | 0:48:11 | |
With over 150,000 strays walking around the streets, | 0:48:15 | 0:48:19 | |
the city offers rich pickings. | 0:48:19 | 0:48:22 | |
The surest way to deter leopards | 0:48:43 | 0:48:45 | |
would be to clean up the garbage that attracts the dogs. | 0:48:45 | 0:48:49 | |
But maybe this isn't necessary. | 0:48:53 | 0:48:55 | |
I'm curious to find out if the city dwellers are as relaxed | 0:48:55 | 0:48:59 | |
about leopards on their doorsteps as people in the countryside. | 0:48:59 | 0:49:03 | |
Equipped with a torch and a nightscope, | 0:49:31 | 0:49:34 | |
I head into a kind of buffer zone | 0:49:34 | 0:49:36 | |
near the southern boundary of the park. | 0:49:36 | 0:49:38 | |
A lot of people live in this area, | 0:49:45 | 0:49:46 | |
and they're never far from a leopard. | 0:49:46 | 0:49:49 | |
DOGS BARK | 0:49:55 | 0:49:58 | |
THEY SPEAK HINDI | 0:50:13 | 0:50:16 | |
HE SPEAKS HINDI | 0:50:30 | 0:50:33 | |
He says that four leopards came by last night, | 0:50:33 | 0:50:36 | |
first one and then a female with two cubs, | 0:50:36 | 0:50:39 | |
and they were hanging out just a few feet in front of the door. | 0:50:39 | 0:50:41 | |
He says, "We're not frightened of them, they're not going to hurt us, | 0:50:41 | 0:50:45 | |
"but they will definitely come for the dogs". | 0:50:45 | 0:50:47 | |
DOGS WHINE AND BARK | 0:50:51 | 0:50:54 | |
HE SPEAKS HINDI | 0:50:58 | 0:51:01 | |
It gets pretty hot and stuffy inside, | 0:51:01 | 0:51:03 | |
so he sleeps outside every night, and a lot of other people do too. | 0:51:03 | 0:51:07 | |
People seem to be fairly laid back about leopards. | 0:51:19 | 0:51:23 | |
They invariably have their children sleeping between the adults. | 0:51:23 | 0:51:27 | |
DOGS BARK | 0:51:31 | 0:51:33 | |
The dogs are very important to them, | 0:51:33 | 0:51:35 | |
because they tell them when the leopards are around. | 0:51:35 | 0:51:38 | |
If they do hear the dogs, they'll quickly call the kids inside. | 0:51:38 | 0:51:42 | |
No-one here is complacent. They do take precautions. | 0:51:52 | 0:51:55 | |
The fact is, people have been attacked and killed, right here. | 0:51:57 | 0:52:01 | |
But there's no great furore to shoot the leopard. | 0:52:02 | 0:52:06 | |
DOGS BARK | 0:52:11 | 0:52:13 | |
Wow, the dogs are really going nuts now. | 0:52:13 | 0:52:15 | |
They're a bit hysterical. | 0:52:20 | 0:52:22 | |
There's obviously a leopard close by. | 0:52:22 | 0:52:25 | |
Fresh paw marks. Very fresh. Just look at the edge of the tracks, | 0:52:49 | 0:52:54 | |
they're just made a couple of minutes ago. | 0:52:54 | 0:52:57 | |
After just three hours of searching, I spot my first urban leopard. | 0:53:11 | 0:53:15 | |
She's lying in some fairly thick grass, | 0:53:18 | 0:53:21 | |
so it's not that easy to see her, but she's very calm. | 0:53:21 | 0:53:24 | |
She's staring at us. Hardly 40 or 50 feet away. | 0:53:24 | 0:53:27 | |
The city leopard looks as relaxed and confident as any I've seen. | 0:53:35 | 0:53:39 | |
She's in her own neighbourhood, in a world she knows, | 0:53:41 | 0:53:45 | |
which makes her a much safer animal. | 0:53:45 | 0:53:47 | |
Jungle leopards eat anything from buffalos down to termites. | 0:53:59 | 0:54:03 | |
In cities, the menu shifts to rats, dogs, rotting carcasses | 0:54:05 | 0:54:12 | |
and even hospital waste. | 0:54:12 | 0:54:15 | |
She's going in the other direction, and disappeared into the bushes. | 0:54:26 | 0:54:32 | |
I can't imagine Londoners or New Yorkers | 0:54:57 | 0:55:00 | |
being so cool about leopards on their streets. | 0:55:00 | 0:55:02 | |
As millions sleep, there are leopards here, | 0:55:05 | 0:55:07 | |
going about their business. | 0:55:07 | 0:55:09 | |
DOGS BARK | 0:55:10 | 0:55:13 | |
They're watching the world go by and hanging out on park benches. | 0:55:16 | 0:55:20 | |
But so long as we're not hassling them, | 0:55:24 | 0:55:27 | |
it just doesn't seem to be a big deal. | 0:55:27 | 0:55:29 | |
This is totally amazing. | 0:55:45 | 0:55:48 | |
What's particularly interesting about Maharashtra, | 0:56:00 | 0:56:03 | |
this state, is that the results of translocation have been | 0:56:03 | 0:56:08 | |
an increase in conflict - more people getting killed. | 0:56:08 | 0:56:11 | |
So the authorities are reluctant to do any translocation, | 0:56:14 | 0:56:17 | |
despite the fact that some human fatalities have taken place. | 0:56:17 | 0:56:21 | |
Increasing vigilance and doing their patrolling, | 0:56:25 | 0:56:28 | |
and of course warning people and getting people to learn to | 0:56:28 | 0:56:32 | |
live with animals like this could make a difference. | 0:56:32 | 0:56:38 | |
It may be working. | 0:56:38 | 0:56:40 | |
It's just incredible to me that a large predator like a leopard | 0:56:56 | 0:57:01 | |
can live amongst people, and in most cases, without any big problems. | 0:57:01 | 0:57:05 | |
For centuries, | 0:57:09 | 0:57:11 | |
these amazing cats have found ways to exploit our world. | 0:57:11 | 0:57:14 | |
Whether we like it or not, | 0:57:16 | 0:57:18 | |
I've seen that their versatility means they're here to stay. | 0:57:18 | 0:57:22 | |
Though living with leopards is never risk free, | 0:57:24 | 0:57:27 | |
it's only when we mess with them that they seem to bite back. | 0:57:27 | 0:57:31 | |
The other half of the story | 0:57:36 | 0:57:38 | |
is the remarkable willingness of ordinary people | 0:57:38 | 0:57:41 | |
to live alongside these big cats. | 0:57:41 | 0:57:43 | |
And for me, there's a big lesson here. | 0:57:46 | 0:57:49 | |
The future of animals like leopards | 0:57:49 | 0:57:51 | |
doesn't just depend on finding space in a crowded world. | 0:57:51 | 0:57:55 | |
Whether it's in my own back yard or anywhere else, | 0:57:58 | 0:58:01 | |
it also depends on people's capacity for tolerance. | 0:58:01 | 0:58:05 | |
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