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Why do we do the things we do?

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What really makes us tick?

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How do our minds work?

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For centuries, these questions were largely left

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to philosophers and theologians.

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Around 100 years ago, a new science

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began to shine a bright light on the inner workings of the mind.

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It was called experimental psychology.

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But doing scientific experiments

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posed some terrible ethical and moral dilemmas.

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Do you think the research was justified? Would you have stopped him if you could?

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In this series, I will explore how psychologists have probed inside

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our minds, by way of experiments, which sometimes were frankly barbaric.

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-The experiment requires that we continue...

-But he might be dead in there.

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Ever since I was a medical student, I have been fascinated by psychology,

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by its brutal history and by how far some researchers have been prepared

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to go in the search for answers.

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This time, I'm exploring how scientists have struggled

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to understand that seemingly irrational

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and yet deeply complex part of our minds, our emotions.

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Oh, dear.

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I'm playing my own small part in this quest.

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You're going to be experiencing some...

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moderate pain.

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How are you going to create the pain?

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Emotions are a huge part of our lives,

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but where do they come from?

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Can they be controlled?

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What are they there for?

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The answers they came up with were rich, complex

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and also profoundly uncomfortable.

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They have made me re-evaluate the role of emotions in my own life.

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It's a load-bearing belt, it's got to be done up securely, because your life may depend on it.

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Safety helmet.

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'A problem faced by anyone who wants to study emotions is how to reproduce them.

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'Some emotions are harder to generate that others.

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'The one we're hoping to generate today is fear.'

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A pair of gloves - if you do get stuck, it'll stop you ripping your fingernails off.

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Do you ever get people who freak out when they're down there?

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-Frequently.

-Right.

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'I have never done this, because I have always been aware that

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'when I go into small, dark spaces and I even think about doing so,

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'I become really, really uncomfortable.

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'I think I probably have a mild degree of claustrophobia,'

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but I've never challenged it, and that's kind of why I want to do it now,

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I want to see what it's going to actually be like.

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There's your cave.

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God, wow! That's small, isn't it?

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I was imagining something large.

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Ha...! OK.

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-First of all, there's just...

-Ooh, that's nasty.

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'Now, one of the questions that scientists have grappled with

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'down the years is the relationship between reason and emotion.

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'I see myself as a rational creature

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'and yet I can be overwhelmed by my feelings,

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'as I think I'm about to find out.'

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There's a part of which is absolutely convinced I'm a rational creature -

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whatever emotion is engendered by the cave,

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I can control it.

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But I don't know until I do it.

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-Ooh, cor blimey, it's a long way down.

-Going down.

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Aha! Yep, I'm fine.

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-Lay right down.

-Yep.

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And get your legs in first, insert your legs.

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Oh, jeez.

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-Twist your hips.

-Oh, God, this is horrible.

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-Yeah, just relax.

-I realise...

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that actually it's not

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the dark and the small - it's the fear of getting stuck.

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HE SIGHS

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Right... Do people panic at this point?

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Well, the secret is, your mind and your body both have to be relaxed.

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Ah, Jesus.

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Ah, I can feel panic.

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Calm down, objectify it -

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out of a score of ten, how bad is it?

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Probably about nine at the moment.

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And could I...? No. It's really, really horrible.

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Ssh, ssh, ssh. Just stop, relax.

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-You come to what they call the grip self moment.

-Right.

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When you've got to grip self, but you absolutely have to take control.

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All right?

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Just don't think about it, just keep breathing. Jesus Christ!

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My arm has got stuck,

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-I have my left arm underneath me.

-Just adjust yourself a little bit - don't panic.

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Do I put my hands in front of me or what?

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-Yeah, whatever's most comfortable. Take your time.

-But I'm not going to get stuck?

-No.

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Oh, jeez, that was horrible. Oh, God.

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Ah, it's unbelievable, man.

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My arm was trapped underneath me. I really thought...

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..I was going to be stuck.

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Now, that was just...

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absolutely bloody awful. Oh, God!

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'It is clearly possible to produce a powerful emotion,

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'but to really understand them is a very different challenge.'

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HE SIGHS DEEPLY

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In the early days, psychology largely relied

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on speculative, unproven theories.

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Then, at the start of the 20th century, psychologists

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finally began to apply the scientific method to their discipline.

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One of the first to do so was young, ambitious JB Watson.

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The place, John Hopkins University, Baltimore.

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The question he was asking was deceptively simple -

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where do emotions come from?

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Are we born with them? Do we learn them?

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He already had a pet theory.

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Now, Watson believed that we're all born with three basic emotions -

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love, fear and rage - and that by mixing those together,

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you get all the emotional range that we enjoy as adults.

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But where he broke with other people was,

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he believed that every experience you had, all the emotions

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you felt later in life, were the product of some childhood experience,

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that what you experienced as a child would determine who you fell in love with,

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what you hated and what you got angry with.

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Watson's own childhood was not happy.

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His father was drunk and often absent.

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Perhaps because of this, Watson was immensely driven

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and, in 1920, began planning something that would make him famous.

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Now, Watson was about to do what will turn out to be

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one of the most controversial and also important experiments

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of the early 20th century.

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He must have been...

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nervous, and so must the people taking part in this experiment.

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Watson wanted to study fear,

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and to do that, he was going to have

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to find someone and utterly terrify them.

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These are his props -

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a clown mask...

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..some newspaper and matches,

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a steel bar and a hammer.

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So, who was he going to terrify?

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Watson chose, as his subject, a nine-month-old infant

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he called Albert.

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Albert's mother was a wet nurse at the local hospital, who probably

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needed the dollar a day usually paid to experimental subjects.

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A corridor conveniently linked Albert's hospital home

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to Watson's lab.

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Now, Watson must have hoped this was going to be something memorable,

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because he filmed it, which was something extremely unusual for the time.

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Watson wanted to prove that though babies are born

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with an instinctive capacity for fear,

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initially, there is not much they're actually frightened of.

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They learn what to fear.

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Watson started by testing

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Albert's reaction to a series of potentially dangerous things.

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This is a burning pile of paper.

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Will Little Albert be frightened of it?

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And the answer is no -

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Little Albert was trying to reach out and grab the flames.

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He's obviously not frightened. He doesn't know that fire burns,

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he hasn't had that experience.

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Then animals were pushed in front of him.

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Albert was curious, but showed no signs of actually being frightened.

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But Watson knew

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he COULD terrify Albert with loud, unexpected noises.

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So far what he'd done was pretty innocuous. The next bit wasn't.

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Imagine this doll is Little Albert,

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and this bit of cotton wool is a mouse. Well, the mouse comes

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to play with Little Albert, and they have some fun together.

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And then, on one occasion, the experimenter comes up behind Little Albert

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and, completely unexpectedly,

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terrifies the kid by banging a loud noise.

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They do this again and again.

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What they wanted to see was, had they induced fear in Little Albert,

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towards the rat that he had previously really liked?

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Watson was deliberately trying to condition Albert to associate

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all these objects with fear.

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The test would be...would Albert be scared of them without needing to startle him with the bang?

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So Watson and his colleagues pushed the objects in front of Albert once more.

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Ooh.

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Albert is obviously very uncomfortable.

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He's trying to run away, and they're almost torturing him.

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You can see it, he's crying.

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He's screaming...

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he doesn't want anything to do with it. He's trying to run away,

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and they're just bringing it back to him - it really is quite disturbing.

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Watson noted that when the rat alone was presented,

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Little Albert puckered his face and withdrew his body sharply to the left.

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Oh, and this is nasty - they've got the mask out now.

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Oh, this is horrid. The experimenter's got the mask on

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and he's deliberately setting out to try and terrify the child.

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Watson had proved that you can learn fear of almost anything.

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Extreme fear.

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You can make a person phobic.

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So I've read about the case of Little Albert before,

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but I've never seen the footage, and it's really quite upsetting,

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particularly when you think of him as an innocent young child of eight months,

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having these horrible things done to you by adults.

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There's a sort of coldness about this experiment,

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which is really, really uncomfortable.

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Watson's work was a landmark.

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By frightening Little Albert, he had shown that, whilst our capacity

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for emotions is innate, how they develop depends on what we experience.

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The experiment ended after five months,

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when his mother got a new job and moved away.

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She took with her a child filled with fears.

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For nearly a century, one of psychology's most iconic figures vanished.

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Recently, however, a relentless researcher

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did manage to track him down.

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But there was to be no happy ending.

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Little Albert died from an infectious disease

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when he was a child.

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'Even the name Watson gave him isn't really his.

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'His mother called him Douglas.'

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He is this sort of big event in the history of psychology

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and yet he's also utterly anonymous...

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..which is quite sort of sad in its own way.

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And also because his mother...

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took his secrets with her to the grave, we have no idea what happened

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to Little Albert after he left.

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We have no idea whether the fear that was conditioned into him

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by Watson persisted.

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All we know

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is he lies here, he died aged six, probably of encephalitis,

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and that...

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his mother loved him.

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Fast-forward to the 21st century, and it's clear that the influence

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of the Little Albert experiment has been profound.

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Watson had shown that we learn fear by association.

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It wasn't long before others began using the same technique

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to reverse the effect,

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to use the power of association to unlearn fear.

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His legacy is behavioural therapy,

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one of the most effective treatments today for helping people with phobias.

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Ten years ago, I made a TV series about phobias.

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I particularly remember Daniel.

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He was so frightened of dogs, he could barely walk down the road.

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Oh, my God! Mum! Mum!

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It's all right, it's OK.

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It's OK, it's OK.

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But, look, he's coming up that way - please can we cross over?

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It's all right, it's all right.

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OK? Just keep walking - it's all right.

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-No, I don't...

-OK?

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'Daniel had a few sessions with a behavioural psychologist,

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'which seemed to help.

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'But has it lasted?'

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'Daniel is now 20, and I've come to meet him with my own dog, Guy.'

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-Hello, there!

-Hiya.

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Hi, there. Michael.

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-Hiya. Daniel.

-Hello, very nice to see you.

-Hi, nice to meet you.

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You've changed a lot since I last saw you! Are you OK with Guy?

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Ah, yeah, fine. Yeah, it's no problem.

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Very good, very good, I'm impressed.

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Do you mind, I'm just going to bring Guy next to you?

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I just want to see, are you happy patting Guy?

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I don't mind.

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-There you go.

-See that's not... that's fine NOW.

-Yep.

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-But years ago, that would never have happened.

-Yep.

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It's a lot, it's a lot easier to rationalise and weigh up now.

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Before it would have just been anything to get away from the situation.

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'Behavioural therapy does not claim to cure but to make fear manageable.

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'I wanted to see if Daniel would be able to handle

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'a bigger challenge than Guy.'

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-So what do you think about the one over there?

-It's fine when it's over there.

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Would you be happy going over there and having a chat,

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or me bringing her back over here?

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I'd rather you didn't, to be honest, but I could probably walk past.

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Shall we go and see how close we can get before you feel uncomfortable?

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-Yeah, I think I can walk past, yeah.

-Let's go and see. Come on, Guy!

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'Behavioural therapy involves gradually increasing the exposure

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'to whatever it is you fear.'

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So, out of ten at the moment?

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I'm anxious.

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Six or seven.

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-So it's going up?

-It is, yeah.

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OK, tell me kind of when you want to stop, then.

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'If Daniel runs away now, his fear of dogs will be reinforced.'

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-See, this is OK. I mean, I wouldn't want to get much closer, to be honest.

-OK.

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'But staying while his brain shrieks, "Run!" is hard to do.'

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You all right?

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I am, but...

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-Is your pulse running...?

-Yeah, probably a bit faster.

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Mind if I just have a go at your pulse?

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-About 125, 130.

-Which is...?

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-Which is about, I'd imagine, twice what it normally is.

-Really?

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Yes. So I think you're feeling a trifle anxious.

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'If Daniel can tough it out, his anxiety will fade,

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'and he will start to break the association between dogs and fear.'

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You're now running at about 90.

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-Which is a little bit above.

-It's a little bit, but it's come down...

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-In the last minute or so, it's come down from about 120 to 90.

-Yep.

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'I don't think Daniel will ever love dogs, but nor will he allow

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'a fear of them to rule his life.'

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Well done. Really, really impressive.

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By the 1950s, psychologists felt they had a grasp of how fears develop

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and how they can be controlled.

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But what about a more positive emotion?

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What about love?

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I don't actually bring out these photographs very often,

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and they are incredibly evocative.

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This is me and Claire on our honeymoon,

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sort of looking at each other.

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And it brings a very sort of warm glow.

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And then these are pictures of...

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me and the kids growing up.

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That must be Jack, probably about two years old,

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very sweet.

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So what is love and what is it for?

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In the 1950s, the answers were unclear.

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There were just a series of assumptions going back half a century.

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They knew babies are born with basic instincts,

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and the most basic is to eat.

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The dominant idea was that affection and love develop

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towards whoever is feeding us.

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Love is just there to reinforce this bond with the feeder.

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But no-one had put this idea to the test.

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People didn't understand how you could study it, let alone...

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be willing to study it.

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It was something which was seen as almost unstudyable,

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certainly in the laboratory,

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and that anyone who attempted to do so was probably a fool.

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One man who thought that, as far as love was concerned,

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psychology had been a complete failure, was Harry Harlow.

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In 1958, Harlow set about challenging this by doing a strange

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and compelling experiment.

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What Harlow wanted to do was explore love.

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Now, how do you actually do something like that?

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Well, he had an idea -

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it's rather extraordinary and certainly bizarre.

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What Harlow needed for his experiments were baby monkeys

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and very basic building materials.

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What Harlow wanted to investigate was the nature

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of love between a mother and a child.

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What is it a child really wants?

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This was going to help him answer that.

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'There were lots of theories about love and the relationship

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'between a mother and child but virtually no experimental data.'

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Ah!

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HE LAUGHS Right.

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So what Harlow was attempting to do

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was build...

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something which was a sort of surrogate mummy monkey.

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'The baby monkeys were to be separated from their mothers

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'and then offered DIY alternatives, built out of bits of scrap.'

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Now, the interesting thing is that Harlow was doing this fascia,

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not really for the benefit

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of the baby monkeys,

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but because he wanted parents to identify with this...

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funny little creature he was creating.

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Harlow wanted this to be about people, not just monkeys.

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And finally what I need is...

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yes, one of these - basically, a source of food.

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A mother,

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pared down to her absolutely bare essentials - basically one...

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breast, if you like, one nipple to feed, one face to smile

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and a frame to sort of cuddle onto.

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Right, so that was monkey number one.

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Now he needed to build monkey number two.

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'The purpose of the experiment was to offer baby monkeys

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'two types of surrogate mother and see which they preferred.

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'One would offer food, the other something less obvious.'

0:23:190:23:24

At this point, these two monkeys look really quite similar,

0:23:260:23:30

but I'm just going to add Harlow's final touch.

0:23:300:23:34

'To the second surrogate mother, Harlow added just one thing -

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'a soft cover.'

0:23:400:23:41

And the question was, if he took a baby monkey and he introduced

0:23:430:23:46

the baby monkey to these two parents, who would it prefer to go to?

0:23:460:23:51

Conventional theory said that you get love, or love is generated,

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by fulfilling something of your basic wants.

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So, in theory, and that's certainly what everyone believed at the time,

0:23:590:24:02

the baby monkeys would become attached and bonded to this monkey,

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because this monkey is providing milk, it is satisfying a need,

0:24:060:24:09

satisfying hunger.

0:24:090:24:11

So what happened?

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Harry Harlow is no longer alive,

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but I'm going to meet someone who worked very closely with him.

0:24:200:24:24

-Hello?

-Hi, come on in, come on in!

0:24:320:24:34

Hello, thank you.

0:24:340:24:36

Wooh! Well, hello.

0:24:360:24:39

-What happened?

-Hi.

0:24:390:24:41

Ah, as I heard somebody once say,

0:24:410:24:43

I put my foot down, and it broke itself.

0:24:430:24:46

'Len Rosenbaum is an eminent psychologist.'

0:24:460:24:49

We're going, I think, into this front room.

0:24:490:24:52

Fabulous.

0:24:520:24:53

Did people really think it was enough just to feed and to clothe?

0:24:530:24:58

I think, at that time, people thought those primary drives,

0:24:580:25:02

the survival needs,

0:25:020:25:05

were enough to carry infants - monkeys or others -

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from immaturity to maturity.

0:25:100:25:12

No-one, at that point, thought that something like what Harlow

0:25:120:25:18

called the affectional drives, these bonding tendencies, were in a sense

0:25:180:25:24

as primary as the need for food, the need for water and so on.

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Thus the experiment.

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OK.

0:25:310:25:32

'The baby monkeys were offered their choice.

0:25:360:25:40

'Harlow recorded exactly what happened.'

0:25:400:25:42

Watch!

0:25:460:25:49

He's going to the wire mother.

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The baby readily fed from the wire object, but rather rapidly left the wire mother

0:25:520:25:59

and then spent its time clinging, 15, 16, 18 hours a day...

0:25:590:26:04

Each of these had a clock attached, so you could time

0:26:040:26:08

how much time was the baby spending clinging to one or the other.

0:26:080:26:13

The attachment was developed towards the cloth surrogate,

0:26:140:26:19

regardless of the source of the food.

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So it was not food in the end - it was touch which was important to the baby monkey?

0:26:220:26:26

That was what these experiments purported to show, yes.

0:26:260:26:28

'Having shown that the babies preferred the cloth mother,

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'they wanted to investigate what this really meant.

0:26:330:26:36

'What was the baby feeling for the cloth mother?'

0:26:360:26:40

The whole idea was to ask the question...

0:26:400:26:43

well, fine, the kid prefers the cloth, even though the wire feeds.

0:26:430:26:49

But what... how far does that preference go?

0:26:490:26:52

What's its ultimate meaning?

0:26:520:26:53

'They used fear to test the strength of the baby's bond.

0:26:550:27:00

'Faced with a scary object, which mother would they run to?'

0:27:000:27:04

And now Dr Harlow is, ah, moving to the front

0:27:040:27:10

of the cage one of these very scary objects.

0:27:100:27:14

-He raises the door, scares it...

-The monkey goes, "Ah!"

-..and the baby rushes away.

0:27:140:27:19

-Immediate, isn't it?

-Where does it rush?

0:27:190:27:21

Not to the feeder but to the cloth surrogate.

0:27:210:27:26

So Mummy really is providing everything they need - protection...?

0:27:260:27:30

-Exactly. The thing is to be in her presence.

-So this is love?

0:27:300:27:33

-This is what Harlow would call love in a way?

-This is what Harlow would call love.

0:27:330:27:37

And I'm inclined to agree.

0:27:370:27:39

'Next, Len and Harlow tested

0:27:390:27:42

'the strength of a baby's love for its mother.

0:27:420:27:46

'Just how unpleasant would the cloth mother have to be

0:27:460:27:50

'before the baby monkey ceased to want it?'

0:27:500:27:54

What I did was to try and provide a mother, a cloth mother,

0:27:540:27:58

that the infant would become attached to

0:27:580:28:02

but which would provide a kind of rejection,

0:28:020:28:06

which meant that what I did was used compressed air

0:28:060:28:10

to blow a blast of air at the kid, at some periodic interval.

0:28:100:28:15

The baby then steps off, gets away, and then what happens?

0:28:150:28:19

That's the question. Does the kid say, "Well, I don't want any more of this.

0:28:190:28:23

"I don't... This is not for me"?

0:28:230:28:25

No, just the opposite. The theory is this...what if,

0:28:250:28:29

every time you're emotionally upset, you do the thing that you always do

0:28:290:28:34

when you're emotionally upset, you rush to your mother?

0:28:340:28:37

But now when you're on your mother, I make you even more emotionally upset, what do you do?

0:28:370:28:42

Well, you want to be on your mother even more!

0:28:420:28:45

There's a linkage between the infant's emotional state

0:28:450:28:49

and its desire to be on the mother, even if the mother is the source

0:28:490:28:55

of that emotional distress.

0:28:550:28:57

I mean, it kind of makes sense,

0:28:570:28:58

but when I was working with delinquent children, it always...

0:28:580:29:01

I was young, I was sort of 20, but I was surprised

0:29:010:29:04

by the extent to which these children, who frankly

0:29:040:29:08

had abusive mothers... It didn't matter HOW badly their mothers had

0:29:080:29:12

behaved to them - they would get really, really angry if you ever,

0:29:120:29:16

EVER accused their mothers of being in any way inadequate.

0:29:160:29:18

Absolutely the case.

0:29:180:29:20

And it was exactly those kinds of observations, at the human level,

0:29:200:29:25

that was a natural bridge for us to study.

0:29:250:29:29

These experiments threw a powerful light on a baby's need

0:29:310:29:35

for its parents' touch.

0:29:350:29:37

But Harlow was about to go further.

0:29:370:29:40

He now asked...what would happen if we had no love, no contact -

0:29:400:29:46

nobody at all?

0:29:460:29:48

Would this lead to depression and despair?

0:29:480:29:52

And if so, would this help our understanding

0:29:520:29:54

of this terrible affliction?

0:29:540:29:56

Harlow himself had suffered from depression.

0:29:560:30:00

He put baby monkeys in total isolation, for up to a year.

0:30:000:30:05

Some were not only isolated, but confined in a restricted space

0:30:050:30:10

known as the Well of Despair.

0:30:100:30:12

All the monkeys came out

0:30:120:30:15

severely disturbed - those placed in the well were particularly damaged.

0:30:150:30:20

'Len did not work with Harlow on these experiments.'

0:30:230:30:28

Do you think the research was justified?

0:30:280:30:30

Would you have stopped him if you'd had the choice then?

0:30:300:30:32

The isolation experiments, I probably would not have.

0:30:320:30:36

The Well of Despair studies, I probably would have.

0:30:360:30:39

But, what was the goal?

0:30:390:30:42

If we could create a meaningful, valid

0:30:420:30:46

monkey model of depression,

0:30:460:30:48

would that be worthwhile?

0:30:480:30:52

Without question in my mind,

0:30:520:30:54

I would say it would be ABSOLUTELY worthwhile.

0:30:540:30:57

-Whatever you had to do to the monkeys to achieve that?

-Well...that's your phrase,

0:30:570:31:02

I don't know... I can't answer the "whatever I had to do".

0:31:020:31:06

But, would I have said, if I were on a grant committee, reviewing

0:31:060:31:12

research that said, "Our goal is to create a monkey model of depression

0:31:120:31:17

"that would allow us to understand ultimately brain mechanisms" -

0:31:170:31:22

I would say - having worked in a psychiatry department for 47 years -

0:31:220:31:26

you're damn right I would have been supportive of it.

0:31:260:31:29

To be able to solve that problem - to be able to knock

0:31:290:31:32

a piece of that problem out of the way - is OVERWHELMINGLY worth it.

0:31:320:31:37

'Harlow's work is deeply controversial.

0:31:500:31:54

'But what he gave the world

0:31:540:31:55

'is something that I think is of profound importance.

0:31:550:31:59

'He proved just how much we all need affection

0:32:010:32:05

'and close physical contact.'

0:32:050:32:07

OK...

0:32:080:32:10

"When we were walking home from school,

0:32:100:32:12

"Betty told me she had this idea..."

0:32:120:32:14

-"Tells."

-"Tells", yeah. Thank you...

0:32:140:32:17

'After Harlow, hospital-born babies were no longer

0:32:170:32:20

'separated from their mothers, but placed physically close to them.

0:32:200:32:24

'What had seemed natural to so many mothers

0:32:240:32:28

'was now confirmed by science.

0:32:280:32:30

'This particular experiment utterly altered the way that people dealt

0:32:310:32:35

'with the subject of love, and the way they brought up children.

0:32:350:32:39

'From then on you begin to see that'

0:32:390:32:41

the important thing is that children should feel touched, cuddled, held.

0:32:410:32:45

And for that, I am profoundly, profoundly grateful to Harlow.

0:32:450:32:50

Watson had shown that emotions are learnt,

0:32:570:33:00

and Harlow, that we are intensely social creatures.

0:33:000:33:04

So it was natural to put these two ideas together, and ask,

0:33:040:33:09

how much of what we do and feel is learnt from other people?

0:33:090:33:13

In 1961, American psychologist Albert Bandura set out to see

0:33:130:33:19

how far just watching other people influences our behaviour.

0:33:190:33:24

Bandura chose to study aggression.

0:33:270:33:30

At the time, the widespread view

0:33:320:33:34

was that watching violence reduces aggression - it purges us.

0:33:340:33:40

But was this true?

0:33:400:33:41

To find out, Bandura experimented on small children

0:33:480:33:52

aged three to five.

0:33:520:33:54

So what Bandura did, is he put an adult in a room with a child

0:33:580:34:02

and a bunch of toys, including

0:34:020:34:03

something he called the "Bobo doll", which is a giant inflatable doll.

0:34:030:34:08

Then, what happened after about a minute is the adult unexpectedly

0:34:080:34:12

started beating up the doll in really quite a vicious manner -

0:34:120:34:15

shouting, screaming, kicking,

0:34:150:34:18

hitting with a hammer - and went on like this for about ten minutes.

0:34:180:34:22

What would the child do, if after watching the adult

0:34:240:34:27

they were left in a room on their own, with the same toys?

0:34:270:34:31

Ooh! She really is going for it.

0:34:380:34:40

She's doing exactly the same as she saw the adult do, she's lifted

0:34:420:34:47

the doll up and now she's really hammering it.

0:34:470:34:50

She's got a little hammer out, and she's having a go at its toes now.

0:34:500:34:53

Which shows innovation if nothing else...

0:34:530:34:55

'Every child who'd watched the adult being violent

0:34:560:34:59

'copied much of what they'd seen.

0:34:590:35:01

'The closest imitation

0:35:010:35:04

'was when a child observed an adult of the same sex.'

0:35:040:35:07

Now he's got the gun out, and he's using

0:35:070:35:09

a combination of the gun and the hammer to just whack the doll.

0:35:090:35:13

He's got a very aggressive expression on his face.

0:35:140:35:17

'Importantly, another group who had watched an adult play gently

0:35:190:35:23

'played calmly, showing no signs of aggression.

0:35:230:35:27

'Basically, what the children saw, the children did.

0:35:280:35:31

'This was an utterly unexpected finding.'

0:35:310:35:35

Before Bandura did this experiment, psychologists thought that

0:35:380:35:42

seeing somebody else acting out

0:35:420:35:43

a violent scene would be cathartic, it would sort of purge you.

0:35:430:35:47

But what this clearly demonstrated,

0:35:470:35:49

and really shocked people at the time,

0:35:490:35:51

is that actually what happens when

0:35:510:35:53

you see something doing violent actions - you tend to imitate them.

0:35:530:35:58

Bandura's findings were given added impact by his timing.

0:36:020:36:05

His experiment took place just as television was moving into the home.

0:36:050:36:10

Two years later,

0:36:120:36:14

Bandura re-ran his experiment with one important difference.

0:36:140:36:19

This time, he wanted to compare how children react

0:36:200:36:24

to watching an aggressive adult not in real life - but on film.

0:36:240:36:30

Children watched two versions.

0:36:320:36:33

One was a straightforward recording

0:36:330:36:36

of the adult beating up the Bobo doll.

0:36:360:36:39

The second, a fantasy version,

0:36:390:36:42

with the attacking adult dressed as a cat.

0:36:420:36:46

In almost every case, Bandura got the same results -

0:36:460:36:49

children imitated what they'd seen.

0:36:490:36:52

The results were dynamite.

0:36:520:36:55

This was one of the first experiments

0:36:570:37:00

to look at the impact of television violence.

0:37:000:37:03

The complicated relationship between

0:37:030:37:05

TV and behaviour is still being debated.

0:37:050:37:09

But it was Bandura who opened the floodgates,

0:37:090:37:12

and launched an entirely new area of research.

0:37:120:37:16

Right. OK - oven on...

0:37:240:37:27

'Bandura had shown that we CAN be strongly influenced

0:37:270:37:30

'by other people's behaviour.

0:37:300:37:32

'This is the basis of so-called social learning theory.'

0:37:320:37:36

We don't have a bowl.

0:37:360:37:38

-OK, so we measure out about...

-How much?

-Four ounces, I think.

0:37:380:37:42

Which one's ounces? The quarter one?

0:37:420:37:44

'But it's also clear that how we learn changes as we mature.

0:37:440:37:50

'As we grow up, something else happens to temper our behaviour.

0:37:500:37:55

'We develop a capacity to reflect on what we see.

0:37:550:37:59

'We identify with other people.

0:38:000:38:03

'We develop empathy.'

0:38:030:38:05

-Mmm... Tastes good.

-It's good, isn't it?

0:38:050:38:08

'So how exactly do we DO this?'

0:38:090:38:12

Well, for decades nobody really knew, and then researchers developed

0:38:120:38:17

new ways of looking inside the brain for answers.

0:38:170:38:21

I'm on my way to Holland, to experience experimentation

0:38:290:38:32

21st-century style.

0:38:320:38:35

We've left the world of abuse and exploitation behind -

0:38:350:38:39

though what I'm about to do WILL involve pain.

0:38:390:38:43

Christian Keysers is researching empathy,

0:38:490:38:52

by trying to watch it at work in our brains.

0:38:520:38:55

So we think the big question is a bit, how we understand other people.

0:38:580:39:02

And I think you've all experienced that sometimes you'd

0:39:020:39:05

see your partner, for instance, accidentally hurting herself.

0:39:050:39:09

And when you see that, the funny thing is you don't just realise

0:39:090:39:12

that the other person IS in pain,

0:39:120:39:14

but you almost have to hold your own finger, because you kind of embody

0:39:140:39:18

to a certain extent the pain of the other.

0:39:180:39:21

And so what our lab is all about

0:39:210:39:23

is trying to understand, at the level of the brain,

0:39:230:39:26

what happens while we get these very strong insights

0:39:260:39:30

into what somebody else is feeling.

0:39:300:39:32

Christian is investigating the extent to which our own feelings of pain

0:39:340:39:39

are important in understanding the pain of others.

0:39:390:39:43

So basically there's going to be two phases to the experiment...

0:39:440:39:48

There's a first phase in which you're going to be watching movies,

0:39:480:39:52

and then there's going to be a part

0:39:520:39:54

where you're going to be actually experiencing some moderate pain...

0:39:540:39:59

How are you going to create the pain?

0:39:590:40:01

Well, I think you're going to find out a little bit later on

0:40:010:40:04

in the experiment.

0:40:040:40:06

'Christian is going to collect two sets of data.

0:40:100:40:13

'First, he records what happens in MY brain

0:40:130:40:16

'when I see someone else in pain.'

0:40:160:40:19

OK, ready to go?

0:40:190:40:20

-Yep.

-OK, here we go...

0:40:200:40:22

-OK, Michael? How was that?

-Fine...

0:40:350:40:38

'Then, he measures what happens in my brain, when I am repeatedly

0:40:380:40:41

'and enthusiastically whacked by one of his colleagues.'

0:40:410:40:45

Three, two, one... Go.

0:40:450:40:47

Three, two, one... Stop.

0:40:490:40:52

'The two brain scans can then be compared.

0:40:520:40:55

'What they're finding suggests that empathy is actually measurable.

0:40:570:41:01

'Many of the same brain areas light up, whether we are experiencing pain

0:41:010:41:07

'or watching someone else in pain.'

0:41:070:41:10

What's really special about this area we're in,

0:41:130:41:16

is that by seeing that the same brain area is active in two cases

0:41:160:41:21

you don't just see WHERE in the brain it's being done,

0:41:210:41:24

but you see that it's done by this recall of your own experience.

0:41:240:41:28

When tested this way, people show very different responses.

0:41:340:41:38

I'm a bit nervous.

0:41:380:41:40

Will the machine reveal that I am warm and empathic -

0:41:410:41:45

or perhaps a secret psychopath?

0:41:450:41:48

"I often have tender, concerned feelings

0:41:490:41:52

"for people less fortunate than me"...

0:41:520:41:54

Yeah, I... Mmm, yeah.

0:41:540:41:56

'This questionnaire will help them compare how empathetic I think I am

0:41:560:42:02

'with how empathetic the MACHINE thinks I am.'

0:42:020:42:05

"When I see someone get hurt, I tend to remain calm"...

0:42:060:42:10

No, that probably doesn't describe me very well.

0:42:100:42:12

'First, Christian shows me what happened when I was slapped.'

0:42:140:42:18

This created very reasonable results. So you...

0:42:190:42:22

you did activate your S1,

0:42:220:42:24

-your S2, your insula and your ACC, just like your average Joe.

-OK...

0:42:240:42:29

'So far, I was normal. I'd activated areas involved in

0:42:290:42:33

'sensation and emotion, like most people do.'

0:42:330:42:36

Now, this is the part where you probably want to distract your wife.

0:42:370:42:42

While we were showing you the movies the first thing we saw was this.

0:42:420:42:47

None of the red areas get reactivated while you observed it.

0:42:470:42:51

And now you can call her again, because what we then did was

0:42:520:42:55

we lowered the threshold a bit, kind of looking for weaker activity,

0:42:550:42:59

and when we did that, we actually saw that you do have activity

0:42:590:43:03

that is typical - but there was lower than what we find on average.

0:43:030:43:07

So I'm not a psychopath,

0:43:080:43:10

but I'm not, erm...wholly in touch with the feelings of others?

0:43:100:43:13

-Exactly. You're not the most soft-hearted person, maybe.

-OK.

0:43:130:43:19

Where you reacted yesterday...

0:43:190:43:20

'What made it more embarrassing, was the brain images

0:43:200:43:23

'did not match the answers I had given on the questionnaire.'

0:43:230:43:27

OK - maybe I lack insight, then.

0:43:270:43:29

That could actually be, because one of the funny things is

0:43:300:43:34

when we scanned a psychopath,

0:43:340:43:36

the brain images really suggested that they weren't all that empathic,

0:43:360:43:41

but the questionnaires made it look like they were model citizens!

0:43:410:43:45

Oh, God, so I AM a psychopath?! There you go.

0:43:450:43:48

Well, maybe that's pushing it a little bit, but...

0:43:480:43:51

I think what tends to happen is we tend to, erm,

0:43:510:43:53

exaggerate our best characters, don't we? We have vain brains.

0:43:530:43:56

-Yes.

-Yes, quite.

0:43:560:43:58

So what the brain scans are doing, in a funny way,

0:43:580:44:01

is they are answering one of the more fundamental questions -

0:44:010:44:04

which is who are we, as opposed to who we THINK we are.

0:44:040:44:07

Yes!

0:44:070:44:09

Our understanding of empathy is developing,

0:44:150:44:18

because today's technology allows us to see inside the brain.

0:44:180:44:22

It's revealing that empathy seems to be deeply embedded

0:44:230:44:27

in the networks of our minds.

0:44:270:44:29

While I'm witnessing you go through some experiences,

0:44:300:44:34

my brain does exactly that -

0:44:340:44:36

it doesn't just make me SEE what is going on in you,

0:44:360:44:39

it makes me share all the different senses.

0:44:390:44:42

I will feel the pain you go through,

0:44:420:44:44

I will empathise with the actions you do to get away from it.

0:44:440:44:48

It really reminds us of the fact

0:44:510:44:53

that we are kind of incredibly social by nature -

0:44:530:44:57

that kind of everybody around us

0:44:570:44:59

is not just around us, but kind of IN us.

0:44:590:45:02

Cutting-edge technology, and sometimes brutal experiments,

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have each opened a window onto human emotions.

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But there is another way we have come to learn about

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the role of emotions in our lives, and that's an accidental by-product

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of terrible personal misfortune.

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In the 1990s, a neuroscientist called Antonio Damasio started researching

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patients who had damaged a part of the brain key for normal emotions.

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He was struck by the differences in the way they were making decisions.

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His research would reveal the

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surprisingly pervasive role emotions have in every corner of our lives.

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Dave is a patient, like those in Damasio's original study.

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Until eight years ago, life was good.

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We, um, had a really good relationship I think.

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Very affectionate, yeah. Very loving.

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He could put himself in my shoes and think about,

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what could he do to make me feel

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more at ease? And so he would do those kinds of nice things.

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In 2002, Dave was diagnosed

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with a brain tumour, and had surgery to remove it.

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What neither he nor his wife realised,

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was that the operation would involve

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removing a part of his brain crucial for processing emotion.

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When he woke up, he just was...

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really um...cold.

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He told me he didn't want me to touch him, or talk to him...

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The doctor came, the surgeon, and I said, you know,

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"That's not Dave. What happened?"

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Dave's IQ was unaffected, and he has returned to his job

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as an animal psychologist.

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But he is very conscious of being changed.

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'A lot has gone, from that aspect. Emotionally flat.'

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It's... that's the toughest thing, is uh...

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you don't realise how important emotions are

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until you don't feel 'em, and you can only remember 'em.

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-Hi...

-Hi.

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Dave had not fallen out of love with Lisa...

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but he was no longer capable of feeling it.

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They divorced - but she remains devoted to him,

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and takes him to all his medical appointments.

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Do you want any more coffee before we go?

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No, I've just filled up.

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Well, shall we...?

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All right.

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Dave's case is so rare,

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he is being studied by a doctor who trained under Antonio Damasio.

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At Wisconsin University, Dr Koenig is continuing

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the investigations started by his teacher, into the impact of emotions

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on our capacity to reason.

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So is it fair to say that

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you're maybe not operating with the same intuition in terms of emotion,

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but you're relying more on the sort of cognitive or rule-based

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strategy to try to...you know, put together what this person might be

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thinking, and, you know, "What is MY responsibility in this situation?"

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Right. It's...

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I have to... think about what it would feel like

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rather than feel it.

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Mm-hm...

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I was...thinking the other day...

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And I don't want this to sound strange, but I imagined,

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"Well, maybe serial killers don't have emotions"...

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Not that I would ever be a serial killer, but I think

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I have that sense of...

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-..it doesn't bother me.

-Mm-hm.

-You know what I mean?

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But the thing that prevents me from BEING a serial killer

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is that I... can remember that I'm not.

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Hello...

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'What Dave is experiencing is intensely personal,

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'but it is also scientifically revealing.

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'I wanted to meet Dave's doctor, to find out what had happened

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'to his brain to produce these profound changes.'

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So what are we looking at?

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So here we're looking at Dave's brain

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in a number of different views.

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As we move forward in his brain

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you can see, here are his eyes...

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Ooh, dear...

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Yeah, so...so right above his eyes you can see...

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-That's tragic.

-..very obviously a loss of tissue there on the right.

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Can he still... READ emotions - say, in Lisa...

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If he saw someone crying, I mean, he would know that,

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you know, tears mean this person is sad.

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Now, if that would MEAN anything to him, if that would impact him

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emotionally, is a different question.

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So he can probably recognise these social and emotional cues

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that are emitted by other people, but...

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you know, can he use those to influence

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HIS decision-making, is a different process.

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Patients like Dave are making it increasingly clear

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that our power to reason is NOT independent of our emotions.

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They are supporting the evidence first gathered by Antonio Damasio.

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Through most of the 20th century there was this

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really predominant view that our decision-making is dominated by some

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cold, logical processing, some reasoning.

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So I think Antonio Damasio's work

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was seminal from the standpoint of highlighting the importance of

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emotion for decision-making. And patients like Dave were really

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the key piece of evidence like that.

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Damasio undermined the widely held belief that most of our decisions are

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logical ones, by devising an ingenious test.

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He took his inspiration from gambling.

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He devised a gambling test, that would try to mimic the uncertain mix

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of risk and benefits that we juggle with in everyday life.

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Damasio was convinced that, even when we THINK we are making a decision

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based on reasoning, we are actually following an emotional hunch.

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'Damasio tested this by a carefully designed gambling task.'

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OK, so I've got 2,000...

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and I will pick this one here.

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Reward, penalty... Good, I'm 2,100.

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Let's keep going on that one.

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'I'm playing a computer version of the game.

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'The player is offered four rows of cards.

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'They sample each one, and find out that two of them

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'will give them small but consistent rewards.'

0:52:290:52:32

I like this one...

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'The other two give them big rewards, but also big losses.'

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Aaagh...!

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Damn!

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'Normal people respond before they are even aware of this.

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'They just instinctively feel wary of the risky cards.'

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Oh... That's a bad one. That is a bad one.

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'They are not necessarily conscious of this.

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'They have an emotional cue -

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'what we often call a gut instinct.'

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"You earned a total of 2,900." Whoa!

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"You may now leave. Please alert the experimenter that you are done.

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"Press the X to exit."

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So, yes... OK, that was fun!

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'What struck me, was I had no idea I was getting an emotional cue.'

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That feels like a sort of simple, logical decision,

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it doesn't feel like an emotional decision.

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Right - well, in the end, after enough experience,

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you do sort of process it at this sort of

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explicit level, where you say "This is just a logical choice."

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But as you're going through the test, what we've found is that

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neurologically healthy individuals

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will start to move towards the safer decks before they can explicitly

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articulate that these decks are safer than the other ones.

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So they seem to be operating more on an emotional hunch.

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So actually, what I think of as a logical decision is actually

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a rationalisation after the event - my gut has already decided which is

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the safe bet, and then my... intelligence catches up with it!

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Yeah, that's one way to put it, that your emotional system

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is really the instrument of learning here, which precedes

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your sort of conscious awareness.

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-DAVE:

-50 bucks...

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Dave has never done the gambling test before.

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With his damaged emotions, how will he do?

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Right, I lose money there.

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Penalties...

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-You owe us some money, Dave!

-I do.

-You owe us some money.

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-1,500... 1,450.

-Get your chequebook out.

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-I'd rather owe it to you.

-DR KOENIG LAUGHS

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Yeah, I didn't learn anything on that, did I?

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-You win some, you lose some. That's what gambling's all about.

-Yep.

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So as you were doing it, did you have any feeling that

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"This is sort of a risky decision", or "This is a safe play", or...?

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Um...no.

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We go through life thinking decisions we make - big or small -

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are the result of our uniquely human ability to think rationally.

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But as Dave and other

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unfortunate individuals show us, reason without emotion is nothing.

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On a more personal level,

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Dave also shows us how vital emotion is to feeling alive,

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and how crucial empathy is to even knowing who you are.

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I'm going through life missing some of these important pieces that

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we don't have to think about, that just happen.

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The longer I go basing what I should feel on memory,

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I'm kind of nervous that eventually the memory will fade,

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and then trying to remember what the actual emotion felt like will be...

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..more mysterious.

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At least now I have the memory -

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so I can at least go through life with that understanding.

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If I didn't have that memory...

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..I guess it would be a lonely, lonely existence.

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BAT CHIRRUPS

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CHILD SHRIEKS AND GIGGLES

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Whoa...!

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You want to try that, Clare?

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'Nearly a century since Watson set out to terrify Little Albert,

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'and in the process triggered an extraordinary

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'and sometimes disturbing quest to try and understand human emotions...

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'..we now realise that, far from being something you have to curb,

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'suppress, restrain,'

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emotions are actually central to becoming a rational, complex,

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fully functioning human being.

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Snap!

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'But the price of applying the scientific method

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'to the study of the mind has been high -

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'terribly high in some cases.

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'And this leaves me with conflicting feelings.'

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Some of the experiments, particularly the later work with monkeys carried

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out by Harlow, and the experiments done on Little Albert, you just

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couldn't justify, you couldn't get away with, in the modern age.

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I certainly would obviously

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never allow any of MY children to be terrified as part of an experiment.

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But do I think it was worthwhile in the end?

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Yes, I do. I'm glad it was done.

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I do believe that the knowledge that was gained

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was worth the price that was paid.

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