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-He's the bloke they let out on bail. -Look what they've done to Daryl. | 0:00:05 | 0:00:07 | |
-This is the lads you let off with a caution. -I'll nip this in the bud. | 0:00:07 | 0:00:09 | |
-I will scream. -You shouldn't have done it! | 0:00:09 | 0:00:11 | |
We've got a bit of a weirdo doing the rounds. | 0:00:11 | 0:00:13 | |
He's killed three girls. You need to be aware, all right? | 0:00:13 | 0:00:16 | |
-Leonie, are you listening? -Yeah. | 0:00:16 | 0:00:18 | |
-Are we looking at the same killer? -Yeah. Not as frenzied. But, yeah. | 0:00:18 | 0:00:22 | |
You killed my mother, you filthy bitch! | 0:00:22 | 0:00:24 | |
You're going to get what's coming to you! | 0:00:24 | 0:00:27 | |
-Do you want to go for a drink sometime? -OK. | 0:00:27 | 0:00:29 | |
She is poison. | 0:00:31 | 0:00:33 | |
She needs putting out of her misery, that one. | 0:00:33 | 0:00:35 | |
I know we try not to have nasty thoughts, Frances, but... | 0:00:35 | 0:00:38 | |
HE IMITATES A GUNSHOT | 0:00:40 | 0:00:41 | |
KNOCK ON DOOR | 0:00:54 | 0:00:55 | |
-It's very good of you to turn out in the middle of the night. -It's fine. | 0:00:55 | 0:00:59 | |
It's just...those other two didn't seem to take it seriously at all. | 0:00:59 | 0:01:02 | |
She's here, love. And they were both women. | 0:01:02 | 0:01:05 | |
They're Specials, part-timers, If it's who I think it is. | 0:01:05 | 0:01:09 | |
Course, my first thought when she rang me was, | 0:01:09 | 0:01:11 | |
"Well, what if it's him?" | 0:01:11 | 0:01:13 | |
So why weren't they thinking the same thing? | 0:01:13 | 0:01:16 | |
Well, God knows. | 0:01:16 | 0:01:18 | |
Hello, Leonie. | 0:01:18 | 0:01:19 | |
He would have strangled her, | 0:01:21 | 0:01:23 | |
if she hadn't managed to raise the alarm, | 0:01:23 | 0:01:24 | |
and if this other lass hadn't been just round the corner. | 0:01:24 | 0:01:27 | |
Tell me about this other lass. | 0:01:27 | 0:01:29 | |
Kelsey. She just lives up the road. I can give you her number. | 0:01:29 | 0:01:32 | |
It was her that rang 999. | 0:01:32 | 0:01:34 | |
Have you got something I can write with? | 0:01:34 | 0:01:37 | |
Leonie, listen, love, listen to me. | 0:01:37 | 0:01:40 | |
You're doing really well, you're being really brave. | 0:01:40 | 0:01:43 | |
LEONIE SNIFFS | 0:01:43 | 0:01:45 | |
So what's going to happen now is I'm going to take a few details... | 0:01:45 | 0:01:49 | |
-Will this do? -Ta. | 0:01:49 | 0:01:52 | |
..and then I'm going to take you down to the station with me. | 0:01:52 | 0:01:55 | |
You need to make a statement. | 0:01:55 | 0:01:57 | |
Leonie, look at me. | 0:01:57 | 0:02:00 | |
Annette can come with us if you like. Would you like that? | 0:02:00 | 0:02:04 | |
One of the officers... One of the other officers, I can't do it, | 0:02:04 | 0:02:08 | |
because I'm not on duty, but it'll be a woman, it won't be a man, | 0:02:08 | 0:02:11 | |
she'll need to go through the early evidence kit with you... | 0:02:11 | 0:02:15 | |
That's like your swabs and everything. | 0:02:15 | 0:02:17 | |
..and then we'll take you over to Bradford. | 0:02:17 | 0:02:19 | |
There's a proper unit there, where they can look after you | 0:02:19 | 0:02:22 | |
and someone'll see to you, a doctor. | 0:02:22 | 0:02:25 | |
They'll make sure that you're safe and you're comfortable. | 0:02:25 | 0:02:29 | |
I've sat her on a plastic bag and then... | 0:02:29 | 0:02:31 | |
I'm thinking evidence. | 0:02:31 | 0:02:33 | |
Can you talk me through what's happened? | 0:02:36 | 0:02:38 | |
I need to hear it from Leonie. | 0:02:38 | 0:02:41 | |
Just... | 0:02:43 | 0:02:44 | |
I were on Stoney Royd Lane... | 0:02:46 | 0:02:48 | |
..and there were three of us. | 0:02:51 | 0:02:52 | |
And he come along in his van. | 0:02:54 | 0:02:57 | |
And I said, I told him... | 0:02:57 | 0:03:00 | |
"It's £5 with, and without, it's double." | 0:03:00 | 0:03:02 | |
So he knew. | 0:03:02 | 0:03:04 | |
And he said he were fine with that, | 0:03:05 | 0:03:07 | |
so I got in and we went down to the cricket club, | 0:03:07 | 0:03:12 | |
the car park. | 0:03:12 | 0:03:13 | |
-He stank, he'd been drinking. -They all do. | 0:03:15 | 0:03:18 | |
And then when he gets going, he decides he wants to do it without. | 0:03:20 | 0:03:23 | |
They do that. | 0:03:23 | 0:03:26 | |
So I said, "You have to pay me up front." | 0:03:26 | 0:03:29 | |
And he goes, "I'll pay you after," but they only ever say that | 0:03:32 | 0:03:35 | |
when they haven't enough. | 0:03:35 | 0:03:37 | |
I said, "Well, it's not happening, then." | 0:03:39 | 0:03:41 | |
But...you know... And I couldn't stop him. | 0:03:44 | 0:03:48 | |
I was struggling but then he had his hand on my throat. | 0:03:51 | 0:03:55 | |
He's pressing down on me, he's inside me without a condom | 0:03:58 | 0:04:01 | |
and I can't breathe. | 0:04:01 | 0:04:03 | |
And he's a big fella and I can feel meself going red in t'face. | 0:04:05 | 0:04:10 | |
And he goes, "If you don't stop wriggling, I'm going to shove | 0:04:10 | 0:04:13 | |
"a broken bottle up you." | 0:04:13 | 0:04:15 | |
Oh... Did he indeed? | 0:04:15 | 0:04:19 | |
God knows how, I managed to press my stiletto into t'steering wheel | 0:04:25 | 0:04:30 | |
and it were more by luck than management, | 0:04:30 | 0:04:32 | |
but it made the horn go... | 0:04:32 | 0:04:34 | |
..and that shocked the bastard. | 0:04:35 | 0:04:37 | |
Shocked me. | 0:04:39 | 0:04:40 | |
Then...he smacked me in the face and he's spitting and | 0:04:44 | 0:04:47 | |
calling me all the usual, and he's going, "Get out, get out!" | 0:04:47 | 0:04:50 | |
-like nasty, and... -And that's when Kelsey turned up. | 0:04:50 | 0:04:53 | |
She offered to go to t'hospital with her but these two... | 0:04:53 | 0:04:55 | |
And he's just driven off, then, or what? | 0:04:55 | 0:04:57 | |
Yeah, when Kelsey started banging on t'window. | 0:04:57 | 0:05:00 | |
These two uniforms, or specials, whatever, they're saying, | 0:05:00 | 0:05:04 | |
"No, we're not going to take you, we'll take her | 0:05:04 | 0:05:06 | |
"because we're not a taxi service." | 0:05:06 | 0:05:08 | |
-Did you tell them what he'd said to you? -They didn't ask. | 0:05:10 | 0:05:12 | |
They didn't take a statement, they didn't write owt down. | 0:05:12 | 0:05:15 | |
Basically they're saying, | 0:05:15 | 0:05:16 | |
"Oh, right, love, has he not paid you, then? Boo-hoo." | 0:05:16 | 0:05:19 | |
So did either of you...of you or Kelsey recognise him? | 0:05:21 | 0:05:25 | |
Is he someone you've been with before? | 0:05:25 | 0:05:27 | |
No, but she's got his number. | 0:05:29 | 0:05:31 | |
His registration number. Show her. | 0:05:31 | 0:05:33 | |
What sort of vehicle did you say it was? | 0:05:39 | 0:05:41 | |
-A white van. -A van. | 0:05:41 | 0:05:43 | |
I'm going to take a photo of your arm on my phone | 0:05:47 | 0:05:50 | |
and then I'm going to take you down to the station in my car, | 0:05:50 | 0:05:53 | |
it's just outside, 15 yards down the road. | 0:05:53 | 0:05:55 | |
-Can you manage that? -It won't be... | 0:05:55 | 0:05:58 | |
It won't be what, love? | 0:05:58 | 0:06:00 | |
Taking swabs. It won't be them two? | 0:06:00 | 0:06:02 | |
It's not going to be those two that just dumped her | 0:06:02 | 0:06:04 | |
on the doorstep at the hospital, and said, | 0:06:04 | 0:06:07 | |
"If you're still insisting in the morning | 0:06:07 | 0:06:09 | |
"you've been raped, come back and report it, then"? | 0:06:09 | 0:06:11 | |
No. No, it won't be them two, Leonie. | 0:06:11 | 0:06:15 | |
I'll be dealing with them two. | 0:06:16 | 0:06:18 | |
# There's a tower block overhead | 0:06:21 | 0:06:23 | |
# All you got's your benefits | 0:06:23 | 0:06:25 | |
# And you're barely scraping by | 0:06:25 | 0:06:27 | |
# In this trouble town | 0:06:31 | 0:06:33 | |
# Troubles are found | 0:06:33 | 0:06:37 | |
# Stuck in speed-bump city | 0:06:42 | 0:06:43 | |
# Where the only thing that's pretty | 0:06:43 | 0:06:45 | |
# Is the thought of getting out. # | 0:06:45 | 0:06:48 | |
Oh! You're back. You've been out for a pizza and now you're playing pool. | 0:06:59 | 0:07:02 | |
-Hiya, Sarge. -Do you want some? -Shall I tell you what I'VE been doing? | 0:07:02 | 0:07:05 | |
I've just briefed the night crew on an arrest strategy for a fella | 0:07:05 | 0:07:08 | |
that's raped and assaulted a 19-year-old. | 0:07:08 | 0:07:10 | |
They've just gone to pick him up just now. | 0:07:10 | 0:07:12 | |
She's gone off to the OPAL Unit in Bradford, | 0:07:12 | 0:07:14 | |
so we can get her properly examined, and now I'm going to wake | 0:07:14 | 0:07:16 | |
Mr Shepherd up and tell him I think | 0:07:16 | 0:07:18 | |
he might want to look at this bloke because he might - just might - | 0:07:18 | 0:07:20 | |
-be the twisted little bastard that's been killing prostitutes. -Really? | 0:07:20 | 0:07:24 | |
So what I want to know from you is... Yes, really. | 0:07:24 | 0:07:26 | |
What I REALLY want to know from you is, | 0:07:26 | 0:07:27 | |
when you were called out to assist her, why you did the absolute | 0:07:27 | 0:07:30 | |
minimum required and why her friend's ringing me at home | 0:07:30 | 0:07:33 | |
at four o'clock in the morning to come out and do your job for you. | 0:07:33 | 0:07:36 | |
-We were just... -You dropped her at the hospital doors. | 0:07:36 | 0:07:39 | |
You didn't even see her inside. She didn't go in | 0:07:39 | 0:07:41 | |
after you'd left. She was too upset, she was too frightened. | 0:07:41 | 0:07:44 | |
She stood in the cold for an hour-and-a-half, frozen rigid, | 0:07:44 | 0:07:47 | |
waiting for a bus to get home. | 0:07:47 | 0:07:48 | |
We were always told to take anything they said with a pinch of salt, | 0:07:48 | 0:07:51 | |
and it's been a busy night. We're only just on our meal break | 0:07:51 | 0:07:54 | |
-and we're knocking off in an hour. -"They"? Prostitutes? | 0:07:54 | 0:07:57 | |
We're talking about a vulnerable 19-year-old. | 0:07:57 | 0:07:59 | |
Her face was bruised, her neck was bruised. | 0:07:59 | 0:08:01 | |
-That ain't someone crying wolf. -It was dark. | 0:08:01 | 0:08:03 | |
You didn't even take a statement. I'm just ignoring that. | 0:08:03 | 0:08:06 | |
No, I'm not. You've got a torch, haven't you?! | 0:08:06 | 0:08:08 | |
I've had a go at the night sergeant for sending | 0:08:10 | 0:08:12 | |
a couple of hobby-bobbies out on a job that needed somebody with | 0:08:12 | 0:08:15 | |
the proper skill set and a bit more wool on their backs. | 0:08:15 | 0:08:17 | |
And I know it's been a busy night but, for God's sakes, | 0:08:17 | 0:08:19 | |
there's somebody out there targeting prostitutes. | 0:08:19 | 0:08:22 | |
Did you not think? | 0:08:22 | 0:08:23 | |
You know, you lot, you come in and you give us four hours a week, | 0:08:23 | 0:08:26 | |
if we're lucky. If you can be bothered. | 0:08:26 | 0:08:28 | |
The least you could do when you get here is engage. | 0:08:28 | 0:08:31 | |
I'm sorry, Sergeant. | 0:08:31 | 0:08:33 | |
Right. I'm going home for 40 minutes | 0:08:35 | 0:08:37 | |
to say happy birthday to my grandson, | 0:08:37 | 0:08:39 | |
get changed, then straight back here in time for the eight o'clock shift. | 0:08:39 | 0:08:42 | |
I'm not reporting you to professional standards, | 0:08:42 | 0:08:45 | |
although God knows why - I should be doing. | 0:08:45 | 0:08:47 | |
But, please, just learn something from it. | 0:08:47 | 0:08:49 | |
You'll need to make statements. Both of you. | 0:08:49 | 0:08:52 | |
SHE SIGHS | 0:09:06 | 0:09:07 | |
ENGINE STARTS | 0:09:28 | 0:09:30 | |
Where've you been? | 0:09:49 | 0:09:51 | |
Oh, I got a phone call. This lass got raped. | 0:09:51 | 0:09:54 | |
-What lass? -19-year-old, down in Sowerby Bridge. | 0:09:54 | 0:09:57 | |
Well, what were the night crew doing? | 0:09:57 | 0:09:59 | |
Oh, it's long, it's complicated. | 0:09:59 | 0:10:02 | |
What you doing up? | 0:10:03 | 0:10:05 | |
Oh, I couldn't sleep. And then I heard you set off. | 0:10:05 | 0:10:09 | |
I thought you'd gone up to Heptonstall | 0:10:11 | 0:10:13 | |
to be with Becky. | 0:10:13 | 0:10:14 | |
No. | 0:10:16 | 0:10:17 | |
No. | 0:10:20 | 0:10:21 | |
I always think about you on his birthday. | 0:10:23 | 0:10:26 | |
I know you do. | 0:10:27 | 0:10:29 | |
We'll get through it. | 0:10:30 | 0:10:32 | |
We'll get through today | 0:10:33 | 0:10:35 | |
and then we'll get through the next few weeks. | 0:10:35 | 0:10:37 | |
And then... | 0:10:37 | 0:10:39 | |
Big smiles. | 0:10:42 | 0:10:43 | |
Big smiles. | 0:10:43 | 0:10:45 | |
# Happy birthday to you. # | 0:10:46 | 0:10:50 | |
-Shut up! Neighbours'll complain. -So what? -Good. | 0:10:50 | 0:10:53 | |
Are you going to open the others? | 0:10:53 | 0:10:55 | |
Or are you just going to spend the rest of your life balancing on that? | 0:10:55 | 0:10:58 | |
-Can I go to school on it? -Uphill? Does that work? -It's not ALL uphill. | 0:10:58 | 0:11:01 | |
No. If you're going in the opposite direction, it's downhill. | 0:11:01 | 0:11:04 | |
Stop trying to blind everybody with science. | 0:11:04 | 0:11:06 | |
Going to open your cards? They might be stashed with moolah. | 0:11:06 | 0:11:08 | |
-Who's this from again? -I've no idea, I told you. It was on the doorstep, | 0:11:08 | 0:11:11 | |
-6:30 this morning. -It's big. I can tell you that much. | 0:11:11 | 0:11:13 | |
Let's get ripping, I've got to go to work in five minutes. | 0:11:13 | 0:11:16 | |
-This is from me. -I know what that is. | 0:11:16 | 0:11:19 | |
The sort you asked for. Took me best part of a week to wrap that up | 0:11:19 | 0:11:22 | |
and I got through about 16 rolls of Sellotape. | 0:11:22 | 0:11:24 | |
Who's this one from again, Gran? | 0:11:24 | 0:11:26 | |
I've just said, I don't know, it was on the doorstep. | 0:11:26 | 0:11:29 | |
Wahey! Rip it! | 0:11:31 | 0:11:33 | |
-Wow. -Blimey! | 0:11:35 | 0:11:37 | |
Oh, my God! Look at that. I think that might be from me. | 0:11:37 | 0:11:39 | |
-Is it? -Yeah, yeah. | 0:11:39 | 0:11:41 | |
I got up early specially to go and put it outside. | 0:11:41 | 0:11:43 | |
-He's lying. -Actually, I think it might be FOR me. | 0:11:43 | 0:11:46 | |
I think they've put the wrong | 0:11:46 | 0:11:48 | |
name on by mistake. I think they've got our birthdays mixed up. | 0:11:48 | 0:11:51 | |
That's...whoa. Who's it from? | 0:11:51 | 0:11:54 | |
I'm going to start speaking Urdu soon, | 0:11:54 | 0:11:57 | |
then people might understand me better. | 0:11:57 | 0:11:59 | |
-We don't know. -Calm down, dear. | 0:11:59 | 0:12:01 | |
Wasn't there a card with it? | 0:12:01 | 0:12:03 | |
No. Not unless next door's cat's had it. | 0:12:03 | 0:12:06 | |
You know, that's about, like, 150 quid's worth of kit, that. | 0:12:06 | 0:12:10 | |
Nevison. Nevison Gallagher. | 0:12:10 | 0:12:11 | |
Sean Balmforth. Date of birth - 17.11.85. | 0:12:15 | 0:12:17 | |
29 years old. | 0:12:17 | 0:12:19 | |
Address - 34 Burley Road, Illingworth. | 0:12:19 | 0:12:23 | |
He's got a string of convictions and he's on the Sex Offender's Register. | 0:12:23 | 0:12:26 | |
Unlawful sexual intercourse with a 14-year-old. | 0:12:26 | 0:12:29 | |
That was ten years ago. | 0:12:29 | 0:12:31 | |
His van's been seized in connection with the assault | 0:12:31 | 0:12:34 | |
and rape of this girl in the early hours. | 0:12:34 | 0:12:36 | |
Forensics are across it, I've spoken to the supervisor | 0:12:36 | 0:12:39 | |
and they're aware we're looking at him for other things. | 0:12:39 | 0:12:41 | |
On an initial visual inspection they've told me | 0:12:41 | 0:12:44 | |
they've found rope in the back. | 0:12:44 | 0:12:45 | |
Nylon rope. Three separate lengths. | 0:12:45 | 0:12:48 | |
There's also a couple of bags of rubbish in there, containing - | 0:12:48 | 0:12:51 | |
amongst other things - a number of beer bottles, | 0:12:51 | 0:12:53 | |
some of which are of the same brand as those found at the site where | 0:12:53 | 0:12:57 | |
Ana Vasalescu was found and where Vicky Fleming was found. | 0:12:57 | 0:12:59 | |
So, | 0:12:59 | 0:13:01 | |
once they've charged him over this business this morning | 0:13:01 | 0:13:04 | |
we'll step in and see if he'd like to have a conversation with us. | 0:13:04 | 0:13:07 | |
Arresting him? | 0:13:07 | 0:13:09 | |
I'll run everything past the CPS | 0:13:09 | 0:13:11 | |
and, depending on what else we dig up between now and then... | 0:13:11 | 0:13:14 | |
yeah. We've got reasonable grounds. | 0:13:14 | 0:13:16 | |
I've got POLSA going through his house on a Section 18, we'll get | 0:13:16 | 0:13:20 | |
his phone back from the OPAL Unit | 0:13:20 | 0:13:22 | |
as soon as they've got what they want from it. | 0:13:22 | 0:13:24 | |
Let's start tracking his movements over the last five months, | 0:13:24 | 0:13:27 | |
working backwards. | 0:13:27 | 0:13:28 | |
I want to know everything there is to know about this fella. | 0:13:28 | 0:13:31 | |
I want a list of all his contacts, his family, his friends, | 0:13:31 | 0:13:34 | |
I want a picture of his daily routine, his lifestyle, | 0:13:34 | 0:13:36 | |
any employment, | 0:13:36 | 0:13:38 | |
any access to other vehicles besides this one we've seized. | 0:13:38 | 0:13:41 | |
Bank details, where's he drawn money out and when? John, Steve, Jodie, | 0:13:41 | 0:13:46 | |
can we talk through an interview strategy in my office | 0:13:46 | 0:13:48 | |
in a minute? John, have you got a second? | 0:13:48 | 0:13:52 | |
Telecoms found your name and number in Vicky Fleming's mobile phone. | 0:13:54 | 0:13:58 | |
Do you know? I had a funny feeling. I wasn't certain. | 0:14:02 | 0:14:06 | |
But... | 0:14:06 | 0:14:08 | |
two years, eighteen months since? | 0:14:08 | 0:14:10 | |
I was working on a fraud investigation up | 0:14:10 | 0:14:12 | |
at the building society and she was... | 0:14:12 | 0:14:16 | |
she was the point of contact. | 0:14:16 | 0:14:18 | |
So, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'd have given her my number. | 0:14:18 | 0:14:22 | |
Blimey. | 0:14:22 | 0:14:23 | |
Mind you, who haven't I given my number to over the years? | 0:14:23 | 0:14:26 | |
I don't think I spoke to her more than once or twice. | 0:14:26 | 0:14:29 | |
You should have said. | 0:14:29 | 0:14:31 | |
I wasn't convinced it was her. | 0:14:31 | 0:14:34 | |
I couldn't have told you her name if you'd been asking me to remember. | 0:14:34 | 0:14:37 | |
Maybe if she'd been working at the building society now | 0:14:37 | 0:14:40 | |
it would have rung a bell but... | 0:14:40 | 0:14:42 | |
So that's the only contact you've ever had with her? | 0:14:42 | 0:14:45 | |
Yeah, yeah. | 0:14:45 | 0:14:48 | |
OK. Can you make a statement to that effect and then it's covered? | 0:14:48 | 0:14:52 | |
Sure. So do you think this is the fella? | 0:14:52 | 0:14:56 | |
You know as much as me at the minute. | 0:14:56 | 0:14:58 | |
John, is everything all right at home? I keep meaning to ask. | 0:14:58 | 0:15:02 | |
Yeah. Well, you know. Slings and arrows. | 0:15:02 | 0:15:07 | |
-Well, you know this door's always open, don't you? -Yeah. | 0:15:07 | 0:15:10 | |
I mean, except when it's shut. | 0:15:10 | 0:15:12 | |
Sure. | 0:15:12 | 0:15:14 | |
Hey, how was your date with your little job-pissed PCSO? | 0:15:14 | 0:15:17 | |
What date? What date? | 0:15:17 | 0:15:20 | |
Ann! | 0:15:25 | 0:15:26 | |
Oh, somebody's in bother. | 0:15:26 | 0:15:28 | |
You all right, love? You're pale. You're quiet. | 0:15:31 | 0:15:33 | |
-I'm fine. -Yeah? | 0:15:33 | 0:15:34 | |
I'm just... I'm wondering if I'm starting with flu. | 0:15:34 | 0:15:37 | |
Right. Well, don't overdo it. | 0:15:37 | 0:15:39 | |
If you start to feel like crap, you need to be at home. Yeah? | 0:15:39 | 0:15:43 | |
Yeah, yeah. | 0:15:43 | 0:15:44 | |
-Your dad knows Sean Balmforth, doesn't he? -Who? | 0:15:44 | 0:15:46 | |
This fella we picked up last night. He works for your dad. | 0:15:46 | 0:15:50 | |
Does he? Don't know. | 0:15:50 | 0:15:52 | |
I don't know half the people that work for me dad. | 0:15:52 | 0:15:55 | |
You don't know anything about what he's like, then? | 0:15:55 | 0:15:57 | |
-Ask me dad. -Oh, they'll interview him, that lot. | 0:15:57 | 0:16:00 | |
I just thought you might know him, I was just being nosey. | 0:16:00 | 0:16:03 | |
Ah, my two favourite women in uniform. | 0:16:08 | 0:16:12 | |
No, I'm talking to you. Singing your praises upstairs this morning, | 0:16:12 | 0:16:15 | |
Mr Shepherd - good old-fashioned police work, | 0:16:15 | 0:16:17 | |
picking up this fella last night. | 0:16:17 | 0:16:19 | |
And you, identifying Vicky Fleming last week. | 0:16:19 | 0:16:22 | |
You both made me look really good in there today. Well done. | 0:16:22 | 0:16:25 | |
It's the only reason I do anything is to make you look good, Sir. | 0:16:25 | 0:16:27 | |
And not a hint of sarcasm(!) Oh! As well... | 0:16:27 | 0:16:29 | |
I had a phone call from HMIT last night. Goran Dragovic, | 0:16:29 | 0:16:33 | |
death of. They are now pursuing it as murder, | 0:16:33 | 0:16:35 | |
-not suicide. -Really? -Yup. -Really?! | 0:16:35 | 0:16:38 | |
Is that that fella we found hanged? | 0:16:38 | 0:16:39 | |
Yeah. So, who're they pursuing, then? The Knezevics? | 0:16:39 | 0:16:43 | |
Well, wouldn't that be lovely? | 0:16:43 | 0:16:45 | |
To actually pin something on one of the Knezevics. | 0:16:45 | 0:16:47 | |
They won't have got their own hands mucky, of course. | 0:16:47 | 0:16:49 | |
But, you know... | 0:16:49 | 0:16:51 | |
Anything we can do to disrupt their operations and get that bit closer. | 0:16:51 | 0:16:53 | |
Every little helps. Chipping away. | 0:16:53 | 0:16:56 | |
Anyway, yeah, well done, both of you. | 0:16:56 | 0:16:59 | |
Who are the Knezevics? | 0:17:01 | 0:17:03 | |
Oh, they're... You know how New Jersey has the Sopranos? | 0:17:03 | 0:17:06 | |
Well, Halifax has the Knezevics. | 0:17:06 | 0:17:08 | |
And they ain't no choirboys either. | 0:17:08 | 0:17:11 | |
How's Ilinka? | 0:17:11 | 0:17:12 | |
Fine. I wish she'd make her mind up to go home, though. | 0:17:12 | 0:17:15 | |
I'm sick of sleeping in that conservatory. | 0:17:15 | 0:17:18 | |
You're mad. | 0:17:18 | 0:17:19 | |
You and your dad, or just your dad, he didn't send our Ryan | 0:17:19 | 0:17:22 | |
a ridiculously expensive birthday present this morning, did he? | 0:17:22 | 0:17:26 | |
Not that I know of. | 0:17:26 | 0:17:27 | |
You do realise it's ten to nine? | 0:17:32 | 0:17:34 | |
No, it's not. | 0:17:34 | 0:17:35 | |
-Ooh! -Are you dropping him off? | 0:17:35 | 0:17:38 | |
Yeah, yeah. Come on, turn it off. Ryan, off. | 0:17:38 | 0:17:41 | |
Ryan, Ry... I'm switching it off. | 0:17:43 | 0:17:46 | |
Why do I have to go to school on my birthday? | 0:17:47 | 0:17:49 | |
You're going to be LATE on your birthday. | 0:17:49 | 0:17:51 | |
Come on. You can play with it as much as you want at tea-time. | 0:17:51 | 0:17:54 | |
-Have a nice day. -Where's me dinner gone? | 0:17:54 | 0:17:56 | |
-Bye. -Bye. -Bye. -Bye. | 0:17:58 | 0:18:03 | |
What a piece of shit. | 0:18:36 | 0:18:37 | |
CASH REGISTER BEEPS | 0:18:43 | 0:18:45 | |
-Here he is, look. -Y'all right, Flash? | 0:18:52 | 0:18:54 | |
What were you doing grassing us up to t'police? | 0:18:54 | 0:18:56 | |
We were only having a bit of fun, | 0:18:56 | 0:18:57 | |
no reason to grass us up to the 5-0, is there? | 0:18:57 | 0:19:00 | |
-We're your mates. -The only mates you'll ever have. | 0:19:00 | 0:19:02 | |
-Oops! -Nice trip, love? -Go on, pick your stuff up. | 0:19:02 | 0:19:05 | |
He don't say much, does he? You don't say much, Flash. | 0:19:05 | 0:19:09 | |
Yeah, like, how about, "Sorry, lads, sorry for grassing you up to | 0:19:09 | 0:19:11 | |
"the feds, sorry for being such a sad little twat, | 0:19:11 | 0:19:14 | |
"such a sad little mummy's boy twat." | 0:19:14 | 0:19:17 | |
-Is it true you shag your own mother, Flash? -Does he?! | 0:19:17 | 0:19:20 | |
He don't want to, like, but she makes him because she's a whore. | 0:19:20 | 0:19:24 | |
I heard he shags sheep. | 0:19:24 | 0:19:25 | |
He does that and all but can't tell t'difference | 0:19:25 | 0:19:28 | |
-up there in the dark, eh? -Can you not? Can he not? | 0:19:28 | 0:19:30 | |
Can you not, Flash? | 0:19:30 | 0:19:31 | |
Argh! | 0:19:31 | 0:19:33 | |
-What you doing? -You fucking idiot! -Whoa! | 0:19:33 | 0:19:35 | |
Relax, Flash! Put it down! | 0:19:35 | 0:19:37 | |
Just put it down! | 0:19:40 | 0:19:42 | |
KNOCKING | 0:19:53 | 0:19:55 | |
Afternoon. | 0:19:59 | 0:20:01 | |
He's in here. | 0:20:02 | 0:20:04 | |
How are you doing there, Daryl? | 0:20:13 | 0:20:16 | |
I don't know what's happened exactly, but... | 0:20:16 | 0:20:18 | |
I think Daryl knows why we're here. Don't you, Daryl? | 0:20:18 | 0:20:21 | |
-Hmm? -I know he gets provoked. | 0:20:21 | 0:20:24 | |
They might have all been charged, that lot, | 0:20:24 | 0:20:26 | |
but they're all out on bail - every one of them - | 0:20:26 | 0:20:28 | |
and he still has to go down there and buy his tobacco and his filters. | 0:20:28 | 0:20:31 | |
Let's turn this telly off, Daryl. Come on, this is serious. | 0:20:31 | 0:20:34 | |
If he has done something, | 0:20:34 | 0:20:36 | |
it can't be worse than what they've done to him. | 0:20:36 | 0:20:38 | |
So you know what's happened this morning, Daryl? | 0:20:38 | 0:20:40 | |
Yeah? We've had a report you've been involved in an altercation, | 0:20:40 | 0:20:43 | |
and you've been to your car and you've pulled out a lump hammer. | 0:20:43 | 0:20:46 | |
-Has he? -And you've attacked people | 0:20:46 | 0:20:48 | |
and, you know, that's an arrestable offence, isn't it? | 0:20:48 | 0:20:51 | |
Having an offensive weapon in a public place. | 0:20:51 | 0:20:53 | |
-He'd never... -It's all on CCTV. | 0:20:53 | 0:20:55 | |
So, Daryl, I'm arresting you. Do you understand? | 0:20:55 | 0:20:57 | |
You do not have to say anything, | 0:20:57 | 0:20:59 | |
but it may harm your defence if you do not mention | 0:20:59 | 0:21:01 | |
when questioned something which you later rely on in court. | 0:21:01 | 0:21:03 | |
Anything you do say may be given in evidence. | 0:21:03 | 0:21:05 | |
-Could you stand up, please? -They start it. Every time. | 0:21:05 | 0:21:08 | |
Yeah, I know, but what's happened has happened now, | 0:21:08 | 0:21:11 | |
and you can put your side of it across when you're interviewed, | 0:21:11 | 0:21:14 | |
so come on, stand up. Let's get it over with for you. | 0:21:14 | 0:21:17 | |
-Where are you taking him? -Halifax. | 0:21:17 | 0:21:19 | |
Shall I follow on in my car? | 0:21:19 | 0:21:20 | |
I wouldn't. You'll only be sat outside for hours waiting. | 0:21:20 | 0:21:23 | |
-He needs someone with him. -You won't be allowed in with him. | 0:21:23 | 0:21:25 | |
-Why? -Because he's under arrest. HANDCUFFS CLICK | 0:21:25 | 0:21:28 | |
Well, how long will he be? | 0:21:28 | 0:21:30 | |
How long is a piece of string? | 0:21:30 | 0:21:33 | |
Well, what am I supposed to do? | 0:21:33 | 0:21:35 | |
I'll get someone to ring you to come and pick him up | 0:21:35 | 0:21:37 | |
when we're done with him. Where's your car keys, Daryl? | 0:21:37 | 0:21:41 | |
Here. | 0:21:41 | 0:21:42 | |
It's on t'floor in the passenger seat. | 0:21:52 | 0:21:54 | |
DOOR SLAMS | 0:22:00 | 0:22:02 | |
9242, I've got a 112 for possession of an offensive weapon. | 0:22:03 | 0:22:06 | |
I'm on my way with him. | 0:22:06 | 0:22:09 | |
OK, Sean, you do not have to say anything, | 0:22:09 | 0:22:11 | |
but it may harm your defence if you do not mention now | 0:22:11 | 0:22:13 | |
something which you later rely on in court. | 0:22:13 | 0:22:15 | |
Anything you do say will be given in evidence. | 0:22:15 | 0:22:17 | |
You are charged that on 12th September 2015 in Sowerby Bridge, | 0:22:17 | 0:22:22 | |
that you intentionally | 0:22:22 | 0:22:23 | |
penetrated the vagina of a woman with your penis | 0:22:23 | 0:22:25 | |
when she did not consent | 0:22:25 | 0:22:27 | |
and you did not reasonably believe that she was consenting, | 0:22:27 | 0:22:29 | |
contrary to section one of the Sexual Offences Act 2003. | 0:22:29 | 0:22:33 | |
You are also charged on 12th September 2015, | 0:22:33 | 0:22:36 | |
in Sowerby Bridge, | 0:22:36 | 0:22:38 | |
that you assaulted the same woman, causing her Actual Bodily Harm, | 0:22:38 | 0:22:41 | |
contrary to Section 47 of | 0:22:41 | 0:22:42 | |
the Offences Against The Person Act 1861. | 0:22:42 | 0:22:45 | |
Have you anything you'd like to say? | 0:22:45 | 0:22:48 | |
I paid her. She's a prostitute. | 0:22:48 | 0:22:51 | |
Just wait there for me, please. | 0:22:52 | 0:22:54 | |
Hello, Sean. I'm Detective Inspector Shackleton, HMET, | 0:22:58 | 0:23:02 | |
and I'm arresting you on suspicion of the murder | 0:23:02 | 0:23:04 | |
of Ana Vasalescu, Aurelija Petrovic, Lynn Dewhurst and Victoria Fleming. | 0:23:04 | 0:23:09 | |
-You what? -You do not have to say anything | 0:23:09 | 0:23:11 | |
but it may harm your defence if you do not mention... | 0:23:11 | 0:23:13 | |
What are you talking about? | 0:23:13 | 0:23:15 | |
..something which you later rely on in court. | 0:23:15 | 0:23:17 | |
-No, no... -Anything you do say may be given in evidence. | 0:23:17 | 0:23:19 | |
-You can't fit me up for everything! -You're going back to | 0:23:19 | 0:23:21 | |
-your cell now, Sean... -Do something! Say something! | 0:23:21 | 0:23:24 | |
-You're going back to your cell... -I'm not going back in my cell. | 0:23:24 | 0:23:26 | |
-I'm going home! -I'm going to have a conversation | 0:23:26 | 0:23:29 | |
-with your solicitor, OK? -No, it's not O-shitting-K! | 0:23:29 | 0:23:31 | |
I don't know who them people are! Who are they? Who are they? | 0:23:31 | 0:23:35 | |
-Who are they?! -DOOR SLAMS | 0:23:35 | 0:23:38 | |
-KNOCK AT DOOR -This Daryl lad's kicking off downstairs. | 0:23:38 | 0:23:41 | |
He won't have his DNA or his fingerprints done. | 0:23:41 | 0:23:43 | |
They thought you might like to have a crack at persuading him | 0:23:43 | 0:23:46 | |
before they force him. | 0:23:46 | 0:23:47 | |
-No, I don't want to! -All right, are you ready? -No! Get away... | 0:23:52 | 0:23:54 | |
Now, then, Daryl, why aren't you co-operating? | 0:23:54 | 0:23:56 | |
You said you were going to deal with them and nip it in the bud. | 0:23:56 | 0:23:59 | |
I shouldn't even be here. | 0:23:59 | 0:24:01 | |
They were arrested and charged and they'll be up in court | 0:24:01 | 0:24:03 | |
in the next few weeks, and I'll go there and speak to them again | 0:24:03 | 0:24:06 | |
but, with the best will in the world, | 0:24:06 | 0:24:08 | |
there's only so much we can do | 0:24:08 | 0:24:09 | |
and, frankly, this silly business doesn't help - | 0:24:09 | 0:24:11 | |
-it just perpetuates the bad feeling. -They're animals. -Yup. | 0:24:11 | 0:24:14 | |
They shouldn't be allowed to walk, allowed to exist, to breathe... | 0:24:14 | 0:24:17 | |
And now you've gone and shattered | 0:24:17 | 0:24:18 | |
one of their collar bones with a lump hammer. | 0:24:18 | 0:24:21 | |
Are you going to let me do this? HE SOBS | 0:24:21 | 0:24:23 | |
It doesn't hurt. | 0:24:23 | 0:24:24 | |
HE SCREAMS | 0:24:29 | 0:24:32 | |
We're back! | 0:24:44 | 0:24:46 | |
There's a card on the mantelpiece, Ryan! | 0:24:46 | 0:24:48 | |
I found it in that box. | 0:24:48 | 0:24:50 | |
Who's it from? | 0:24:52 | 0:24:53 | |
I didn't open it - it wasn't addressed to me. | 0:24:53 | 0:24:57 | |
Do you want some tea? | 0:24:57 | 0:24:59 | |
Yeah. | 0:24:59 | 0:25:00 | |
TOY CAR BUZZES | 0:25:00 | 0:25:02 | |
Gran, you race that one and I'll race this one. | 0:25:02 | 0:25:05 | |
Are you going to open this card and see who it's from? | 0:25:05 | 0:25:07 | |
Cos, whoever it is, I think you need to send them | 0:25:07 | 0:25:09 | |
a note to say a very big thank-you, don't you? | 0:25:09 | 0:25:11 | |
Yeah, you open it. | 0:25:11 | 0:25:13 | |
It's not addressed to me. | 0:25:13 | 0:25:15 | |
I'm giving you permission. | 0:25:15 | 0:25:16 | |
Come on, hurry up, I'm going to beat you. | 0:25:16 | 0:25:18 | |
There's a year's supply of birthday cake in the kitchen, | 0:25:18 | 0:25:21 | |
if anybody's interested. | 0:25:21 | 0:25:23 | |
TOY CARS BUZZ LOUDER AND LOUDER | 0:25:25 | 0:25:29 | |
TOY CARS SCREECH | 0:25:29 | 0:25:31 | |
-Right, get that dismantled, now. -What are you doing? | 0:25:31 | 0:25:33 | |
-What are you doing? -What's up, Catherine? | 0:25:33 | 0:25:35 | |
Get it back in the box. In the bin. Straight in the bin! | 0:25:35 | 0:25:38 | |
We can't keep it, I'm sorry. | 0:25:38 | 0:25:41 | |
-Bastard. -Why not? What are you on about? -The bastard. -Oh, my God. | 0:25:41 | 0:25:43 | |
-What's up? -Your granny's right, we can't keep it. | 0:25:43 | 0:25:46 | |
What do you mean "we"? It's not yours, it's mine! | 0:25:46 | 0:25:48 | |
Well, it's either him or some nasty bastard | 0:25:48 | 0:25:50 | |
-playing stupid, dumb, little games. -What is? What is? | 0:25:50 | 0:25:53 | |
-It's from your dad. -Yeah, just get a bin bag. -NO! -Sorry. | 0:25:53 | 0:25:57 | |
You can't throw away my things! It's mine! | 0:25:58 | 0:26:01 | |
He's not allowed to have any contact with you. This is illegal. | 0:26:01 | 0:26:04 | |
It's bad, it's wrong, it's evil... | 0:26:04 | 0:26:05 | |
-He's trying to mess about with us! -It's a Scalextric! | 0:26:05 | 0:26:07 | |
-Yeah, exactly! -She's mental. | 0:26:07 | 0:26:10 | |
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I am mental. | 0:26:10 | 0:26:12 | |
I am mental when it comes to that bastard. | 0:26:12 | 0:26:14 | |
Look, look, he can't have put it there himself, can he? | 0:26:14 | 0:26:17 | |
-No. No. No... -We'd know about it if he'd escaped. | 0:26:17 | 0:26:20 | |
Yeah, but someone, some, some... | 0:26:20 | 0:26:22 | |
-some twisted little git has done it for him. -You're not binning it! | 0:26:22 | 0:26:26 | |
-I'll buy you a new one. -I want this one! -No, no, no way. | 0:26:26 | 0:26:29 | |
I'll buy you another one, I'll buy you one exactly like it. | 0:26:29 | 0:26:31 | |
Why? You can't stop him sending me things. | 0:26:31 | 0:26:33 | |
No! Ryan! I can! You see, this is the man that terrified you, | 0:26:33 | 0:26:36 | |
that traumatised you, that poured petrol over you, | 0:26:36 | 0:26:38 | |
that put me in hospital for four weeks, | 0:26:38 | 0:26:41 | |
that murdered Kirsten... SHE SOBS | 0:26:41 | 0:26:43 | |
See? This is what he wants! | 0:26:43 | 0:26:45 | |
He wants you and me shouting. He wants you to hate me! | 0:26:45 | 0:26:48 | |
So, as you'll understand from the disclosures we've made to | 0:26:57 | 0:27:00 | |
your solicitor, Sean, | 0:27:00 | 0:27:01 | |
we are investigating the deaths of four women - | 0:27:01 | 0:27:05 | |
Ana Vasalescu, Aurelija Petrovic, Lynn Dewhurst and Victoria Fleming. | 0:27:05 | 0:27:10 | |
Sean's prepared a statement, if I could read it out. | 0:27:10 | 0:27:13 | |
Oh, please do. | 0:27:13 | 0:27:16 | |
"I have been asked to account for my whereabouts at four different | 0:27:16 | 0:27:18 | |
"periods of time across several days. | 0:27:18 | 0:27:21 | |
"I cannot, at this moment in time, verify my exact whereabouts | 0:27:21 | 0:27:24 | |
"on any of the dates and times in question, particularly | 0:27:24 | 0:27:27 | |
"the first three, as they are all some considerable time ago, | 0:27:27 | 0:27:31 | |
"but I would like to state clearly that I do not know Ana Vasalescu, | 0:27:31 | 0:27:34 | |
"Aurelia Petrovic, Lynn Dewhurst or Victoria Fleming, | 0:27:34 | 0:27:38 | |
"and, to my knowledge, | 0:27:38 | 0:27:40 | |
"have never met or come into contact with them in the past." | 0:27:40 | 0:27:42 | |
OK. That's very helpful, Sean, | 0:27:45 | 0:27:47 | |
but we do still need to ask you some questions, OK? | 0:27:47 | 0:27:51 | |
No comment. | 0:27:51 | 0:27:53 | |
I shouldn't have said anything. | 0:28:02 | 0:28:04 | |
I should have just got rid of the card. | 0:28:04 | 0:28:07 | |
He'd never have said anything. | 0:28:07 | 0:28:08 | |
He wasn't the least bit interested in who it was from. | 0:28:08 | 0:28:11 | |
I should have just said Nevison and squared it | 0:28:11 | 0:28:13 | |
with Nevison - he'd not have minded. He'd have been pleased to help. | 0:28:13 | 0:28:17 | |
You did the right thing. | 0:28:19 | 0:28:21 | |
I think Ryan's realised that himself. | 0:28:21 | 0:28:23 | |
Insidious bastard. Who's he got doing that for him? | 0:28:26 | 0:28:29 | |
We don't know, do we? | 0:28:29 | 0:28:31 | |
We don't know that it's not just some random nasty sod. | 0:28:31 | 0:28:34 | |
Well, it's someone who knows us, or else why would they know | 0:28:36 | 0:28:38 | |
when his birthday is? | 0:28:38 | 0:28:40 | |
We're going round in circles. | 0:28:44 | 0:28:46 | |
Could you not just take it to a charity shop | 0:28:49 | 0:28:51 | |
rather than put it in the bin? | 0:28:51 | 0:28:52 | |
No, I'm taking it to work - the card, the wrapping, the box. | 0:28:52 | 0:28:56 | |
See if I can't persuade Mike to send it all off for | 0:28:56 | 0:28:58 | |
ninhydrin testing - see if we can't get some fingerprints. | 0:28:58 | 0:29:01 | |
It's a sick trick, whoever's done it. | 0:29:01 | 0:29:04 | |
Never goes away, does it? | 0:29:05 | 0:29:08 | |
He'll never go away. | 0:29:08 | 0:29:10 | |
Everything all right? | 0:29:12 | 0:29:13 | |
He's fine. He wants you to go up and kiss him. | 0:29:13 | 0:29:17 | |
-TV: -'Currently being questioned | 0:29:24 | 0:29:25 | |
-'but no charges have been brought as yet...' -Sorry. | 0:29:25 | 0:29:28 | |
-'This is a huge breakthrough...' -Is she all right? | 0:29:28 | 0:29:31 | |
Yeah. It's just... | 0:29:31 | 0:29:34 | |
you know, such an odd situation we're in with him. | 0:29:34 | 0:29:40 | |
'..Investigation, that they will bring the offender to justice.' | 0:29:41 | 0:29:45 | |
They've got someone for those murders, by the look of it. | 0:29:45 | 0:29:48 | |
Yep. Guess who got him arrested. | 0:29:48 | 0:29:51 | |
She didn't? | 0:29:51 | 0:29:53 | |
Have they charged him? | 0:29:53 | 0:29:55 | |
No, not yet. I think they're still questioning him. | 0:29:55 | 0:29:59 | |
'A breakthrough for the detectives working on the spate of murders | 0:29:59 | 0:30:02 | |
'which has shocked the local community...' | 0:30:02 | 0:30:04 | |
You are stopping tonight, aren't you? | 0:30:04 | 0:30:06 | |
I knew Vicky Fleming. | 0:30:27 | 0:30:29 | |
That woman. | 0:30:31 | 0:30:32 | |
-Did you? -Yeah. | 0:30:34 | 0:30:36 | |
Yeah, um... | 0:30:37 | 0:30:39 | |
..it was her I was having the fling with. | 0:30:41 | 0:30:43 | |
When everything went wrong for me. | 0:30:43 | 0:30:45 | |
I used to work with her up at the building society. | 0:30:46 | 0:30:49 | |
What was she like? | 0:30:52 | 0:30:54 | |
-Horrible. -Really? | 0:30:54 | 0:30:56 | |
Really? | 0:30:57 | 0:30:58 | |
Are you all right? | 0:31:02 | 0:31:04 | |
You won't tell Catherine, will you? | 0:31:06 | 0:31:09 | |
HE BREATHES HEAVILY | 0:31:09 | 0:31:11 | |
No. | 0:31:11 | 0:31:12 | |
Um... | 0:31:17 | 0:31:18 | |
SNIFFLING: Uh... | 0:31:20 | 0:31:22 | |
HE GROANS | 0:31:34 | 0:31:35 | |
Urgh, I feel nauseated just thinking about it. | 0:31:38 | 0:31:42 | |
I thought I was in love with her. | 0:31:43 | 0:31:45 | |
Well, I was... I was in love with her. | 0:31:45 | 0:31:47 | |
It was just very short-lived. | 0:31:47 | 0:31:49 | |
She... She was like this... | 0:31:53 | 0:31:54 | |
She was very attractive. | 0:31:56 | 0:31:57 | |
But eventually I realised | 0:31:59 | 0:32:01 | |
that s-she was missing something from up here. | 0:32:01 | 0:32:03 | |
She kept going on, wanting me to leave Sue and the kids and... | 0:32:05 | 0:32:09 | |
..I couldn't. | 0:32:10 | 0:32:12 | |
Which really... | 0:32:13 | 0:32:14 | |
I shouldn't have started it in the first place, I know that. | 0:32:18 | 0:32:21 | |
But I wasn't ready to leave my family for her. | 0:32:23 | 0:32:26 | |
And she kept...she kept pushing and pushing and eventually I said no, | 0:32:26 | 0:32:32 | |
I said no. | 0:32:32 | 0:32:34 | |
If it came to the crunch I'd be stopping with Sue and the kids | 0:32:34 | 0:32:36 | |
and so she... HE EXHALES | 0:32:36 | 0:32:39 | |
She blackmailed me. | 0:32:40 | 0:32:42 | |
Blackmailed? | 0:32:43 | 0:32:44 | |
Yeah, for a few weeks. | 0:32:46 | 0:32:47 | |
And then I said I wouldn't pay her any more, I couldn't. | 0:32:49 | 0:32:52 | |
She wanted 100 quid a week, every week, or she'd tell Sue. | 0:32:54 | 0:32:57 | |
I managed a few weeks, but then I... | 0:32:58 | 0:33:01 | |
I thought, "I don't want to live like this any more." | 0:33:01 | 0:33:04 | |
So she... | 0:33:05 | 0:33:08 | |
What, she what? | 0:33:10 | 0:33:12 | |
Humiliated me. | 0:33:17 | 0:33:19 | |
So at the minute, he's provided no alibis. | 0:33:27 | 0:33:29 | |
Well, no useful alibis. | 0:33:29 | 0:33:30 | |
We're building up a picture of a loner | 0:33:30 | 0:33:32 | |
with a fairly chaotic sort of lifestyle. | 0:33:32 | 0:33:34 | |
He was working recently as a driver, | 0:33:34 | 0:33:36 | |
but he got sacked for drinking and aggressive behaviour. | 0:33:36 | 0:33:39 | |
The good news this morning from Forensics - | 0:33:39 | 0:33:41 | |
we've got strands of hair matching that of Ana Vasalescu | 0:33:41 | 0:33:43 | |
found in his van. Now, he's denied knowing Ana, | 0:33:43 | 0:33:46 | |
so let's see what he's got to say about that. | 0:33:46 | 0:33:48 | |
Telecoms - Lynn Dewhurst's mobile number was found | 0:33:48 | 0:33:51 | |
in his contacts on his phone. Again, he's denied knowing her, | 0:33:51 | 0:33:53 | |
so let's see if he can enlighten us there. | 0:33:53 | 0:33:56 | |
Then ANPR puts him, well, puts his van, | 0:33:56 | 0:33:58 | |
within a mile of where the bodies were found | 0:33:58 | 0:34:01 | |
on the second and fourth murders, Aurelia and Vicky. | 0:34:01 | 0:34:03 | |
We've also got a witness from a house-to-house | 0:34:03 | 0:34:06 | |
reporting seeing a white van in the area | 0:34:06 | 0:34:07 | |
around the time Ana was murdered. | 0:34:07 | 0:34:09 | |
There was an appeal in the media for the driver to come forward, | 0:34:09 | 0:34:11 | |
no-one did. A white van was also reported in the vicinity | 0:34:11 | 0:34:14 | |
prior to Vicky Fleming's flat being torched. | 0:34:14 | 0:34:16 | |
So! Let's get back up to Halifax | 0:34:16 | 0:34:19 | |
and see if he's got anything he'd like to share with us today, hm? | 0:34:19 | 0:34:22 | |
Am I overreacting? | 0:34:25 | 0:34:26 | |
He tried to kill you, Catherine. You're not overreacting. | 0:34:28 | 0:34:31 | |
We'll send it all off for fingerprints | 0:34:31 | 0:34:34 | |
and I'll ring the prison liaison officer | 0:34:34 | 0:34:36 | |
to talk to someone at Gravesend. | 0:34:36 | 0:34:37 | |
Let's find out who visits him, | 0:34:37 | 0:34:39 | |
who he writes to, who he has phone calls with. | 0:34:39 | 0:34:42 | |
If he's behind it, he'll be dealt with. | 0:34:42 | 0:34:44 | |
If it's a crank... | 0:34:44 | 0:34:46 | |
..it's a shame they've got nothing better to do. | 0:34:47 | 0:34:50 | |
Try not to let it get you down. | 0:34:50 | 0:34:51 | |
-It's just this week, it's always... -I know. | 0:34:52 | 0:34:55 | |
-It's bad enough... -I know. -..without... -I know. | 0:34:55 | 0:34:58 | |
I do know. | 0:34:59 | 0:35:01 | |
Did you have a nice birthday yesterday? | 0:35:06 | 0:35:08 | |
Yeah, it was OK. | 0:35:08 | 0:35:09 | |
What did you get? | 0:35:11 | 0:35:13 | |
Skateboard, elbow pads, | 0:35:13 | 0:35:15 | |
knee pads. | 0:35:15 | 0:35:17 | |
Helmet. | 0:35:19 | 0:35:21 | |
New football. | 0:35:21 | 0:35:23 | |
-20 quid off me Uncle Daniel. -Yep. | 0:35:23 | 0:35:26 | |
30 quid off me grandad and me Auntie Ros. | 0:35:26 | 0:35:29 | |
That's 50 quid. | 0:35:29 | 0:35:31 | |
Winnie across made me a cake, as well as me Auntie Clare. | 0:35:31 | 0:35:35 | |
-That's two cakes. -SHE GIGGLES | 0:35:35 | 0:35:38 | |
I got a Scalextric, but me granny put it in t'bin. | 0:35:41 | 0:35:45 | |
Why? | 0:35:47 | 0:35:48 | |
Because it were from me dad. | 0:35:49 | 0:35:51 | |
Oh, no. | 0:35:51 | 0:35:53 | |
And how do you feel about that? | 0:35:54 | 0:35:57 | |
I dunno. | 0:35:57 | 0:35:59 | |
I really wanted to play with it, | 0:35:59 | 0:36:01 | |
but I could see how upset she was. | 0:36:01 | 0:36:04 | |
Gosh, that must've cost a lot of money. | 0:36:04 | 0:36:06 | |
Yeah, me Uncle Daniel said it would have done. | 0:36:07 | 0:36:10 | |
Perhaps, I don't know, | 0:36:11 | 0:36:12 | |
it's his way of trying to tell you all how sorry he is | 0:36:12 | 0:36:16 | |
about what happened. | 0:36:16 | 0:36:17 | |
-Do you think he is? -Well, why else would he send it? | 0:36:19 | 0:36:21 | |
I don't think they get very much money in prison. | 0:36:21 | 0:36:24 | |
It must have meant a lot to him to do that. | 0:36:24 | 0:36:27 | |
You know, after that last conversation we had, | 0:36:28 | 0:36:31 | |
I googled your dad. | 0:36:31 | 0:36:33 | |
And I can't believe he was responsible | 0:36:33 | 0:36:35 | |
for half the things he was sent to prison for. | 0:36:35 | 0:36:37 | |
Why? | 0:36:37 | 0:36:39 | |
Because he had such a kind face. | 0:36:40 | 0:36:43 | |
TRAIN HORN BLARES | 0:36:46 | 0:36:48 | |
Here you are. | 0:36:50 | 0:36:51 | |
Ta. | 0:36:51 | 0:36:52 | |
I'm just suggesting that it's odd... John? | 0:36:52 | 0:36:55 | |
No, thanks. | 0:36:55 | 0:36:57 | |
..for someone with such a disorganised lifestyle | 0:36:57 | 0:36:59 | |
who lives in chaos and squalor, | 0:36:59 | 0:37:01 | |
spends half his life pissed out of his tiny fucking skull, | 0:37:01 | 0:37:04 | |
not to leave any DNA on any of the sites. | 0:37:04 | 0:37:06 | |
Are we really believing that this lad is that forensically aware? | 0:37:06 | 0:37:09 | |
And that capable? | 0:37:09 | 0:37:11 | |
You don't know these days. A lonely, little, twisted mind like that | 0:37:11 | 0:37:14 | |
has probably absorbed every episode of CSI they've ever shot. | 0:37:14 | 0:37:17 | |
Well, that aside, boss, what I still can't square is Vicky Fleming. | 0:37:17 | 0:37:21 | |
Vicky was not a prostitute. | 0:37:21 | 0:37:23 | |
There are significant differences, | 0:37:23 | 0:37:25 | |
and we've made this leap, we've made an assumption... | 0:37:25 | 0:37:27 | |
I'm ruling nothing out. | 0:37:27 | 0:37:29 | |
He must have been in that flat. He must have burnt that flat out. | 0:37:29 | 0:37:32 | |
I don't care what the fire service says, it's just... | 0:37:32 | 0:37:35 | |
It's too much of a coincidence, what, | 0:37:35 | 0:37:37 | |
to be an oil lamp she's left on? Come on, he was burning evidence | 0:37:37 | 0:37:40 | |
and that is so different from... | 0:37:40 | 0:37:42 | |
Well, that is someone who knows her. | 0:37:42 | 0:37:45 | |
It's personal, right? And the others, they weren't personal. | 0:37:45 | 0:37:48 | |
I need you to explain why, and it's two things we've uncovered - | 0:37:55 | 0:38:01 | |
yesterday you told us that you'd never met Ana Vasalescu. | 0:38:01 | 0:38:05 | |
Do you remember? | 0:38:05 | 0:38:07 | |
You also told us that no-one else had driven your van | 0:38:07 | 0:38:09 | |
in the last six months. Yeah? | 0:38:09 | 0:38:12 | |
So, Sean... | 0:38:14 | 0:38:15 | |
..can you tell me what your response is | 0:38:18 | 0:38:19 | |
if I tell you that our forensic people have found strands | 0:38:19 | 0:38:22 | |
of Ana Vasalescu's hair, her DNA, | 0:38:22 | 0:38:25 | |
in your van? | 0:38:25 | 0:38:27 | |
No comment. | 0:38:33 | 0:38:35 | |
Hmm. | 0:38:38 | 0:38:39 | |
And yesterday, you told us that you don't know Lynn Dewhurst. | 0:38:43 | 0:38:46 | |
Do you remember? | 0:38:46 | 0:38:47 | |
Could you explain to me why, then, Sean, | 0:38:50 | 0:38:52 | |
you've got Lynn Dewhurst's mobile phone number | 0:38:52 | 0:38:54 | |
in your contacts on your mobile phone? | 0:38:54 | 0:38:56 | |
No...no comment. | 0:38:58 | 0:38:59 | |
DOOR OPENS | 0:39:09 | 0:39:11 | |
When I said "lunch", I had somewhere a bit more salubrious in mind. | 0:39:19 | 0:39:22 | |
I've only got 15 minutes. | 0:39:22 | 0:39:24 | |
How are you? | 0:39:24 | 0:39:26 | |
-How are YOU? -I'm all right. I'll cut to the chase, eh? | 0:39:26 | 0:39:29 | |
Can I have some tea, love? And a fish finger butty. | 0:39:29 | 0:39:32 | |
Are you eating? | 0:39:32 | 0:39:33 | |
Yeah, I'll have the same. Thanks. | 0:39:33 | 0:39:36 | |
It's a bit like speed dating, innit? | 0:39:36 | 0:39:38 | |
Not that I've ever been speed dating. | 0:39:38 | 0:39:41 | |
Or that WE'RE dating, obviously. | 0:39:41 | 0:39:43 | |
-But I've seen it on t'telly. -Tell me about Sean Balmforth. | 0:39:43 | 0:39:45 | |
Oh... | 0:39:45 | 0:39:47 | |
Really? | 0:39:47 | 0:39:48 | |
All day yesterday? Your lot? | 0:39:48 | 0:39:51 | |
Well, best part of two hours, giving it... | 0:39:51 | 0:39:53 | |
What do you know? | 0:39:53 | 0:39:55 | |
Nothing. I told 'em. | 0:39:55 | 0:39:56 | |
Except... | 0:39:56 | 0:39:58 | |
I wouldn't put it past him. | 0:39:58 | 0:40:00 | |
Which is a pretty damning thing to say about somebody, innit? | 0:40:00 | 0:40:03 | |
-Really? -Well, God knows. | 0:40:03 | 0:40:04 | |
Helen never gave up on anybody. | 0:40:06 | 0:40:08 | |
Ever. | 0:40:08 | 0:40:10 | |
We condemn the sin, not the sinner. | 0:40:10 | 0:40:12 | |
But Sean... | 0:40:12 | 0:40:14 | |
..he's a sad lad. | 0:40:15 | 0:40:16 | |
Course, it's nothing to do with me, I'm just being nosey. | 0:40:17 | 0:40:21 | |
How's our Annie getting on? | 0:40:21 | 0:40:23 | |
Really well. | 0:40:23 | 0:40:24 | |
-She's a smart kid. -Good. | 0:40:24 | 0:40:27 | |
-How's things at home? -Oh, good. | 0:40:27 | 0:40:30 | |
-Good. -Yeah. | 0:40:30 | 0:40:31 | |
-Yeah. -She's drinking, isn't she? | 0:40:34 | 0:40:36 | |
Last thing I want to do is get her into trouble. | 0:40:39 | 0:40:41 | |
You won't, not with me. | 0:40:41 | 0:40:43 | |
That's why I rang you. | 0:40:43 | 0:40:44 | |
I don't know why she's started again. | 0:40:45 | 0:40:48 | |
One minute she was all, "I'm going to be a regular, | 0:40:48 | 0:40:51 | |
"I'm going to be detective, I'm going to sail through the ranks." | 0:40:51 | 0:40:54 | |
I thought she'd taken to it like a duck to water. | 0:40:54 | 0:40:56 | |
And she was thrilled to bits when she made that connection | 0:40:56 | 0:40:59 | |
with the Vicky Fleming woman. | 0:40:59 | 0:41:00 | |
And then... | 0:41:00 | 0:41:02 | |
She used to drink a lot, at college. | 0:41:05 | 0:41:08 | |
Daft amount, you know, like they do, students. | 0:41:08 | 0:41:10 | |
She got alcohol poisoning once. | 0:41:11 | 0:41:13 | |
Silly bugger. | 0:41:13 | 0:41:15 | |
But then, when Helen became ill, | 0:41:15 | 0:41:18 | |
she seemed to stop, overnight. | 0:41:18 | 0:41:20 | |
She became very sensible. | 0:41:20 | 0:41:23 | |
All through the illness, even after what happened, | 0:41:23 | 0:41:26 | |
last year, wi' them weirdos. | 0:41:26 | 0:41:29 | |
So I don't know if something's happened at work. | 0:41:30 | 0:41:32 | |
-Not that I know of. -Well... | 0:41:34 | 0:41:37 | |
-has somebody upset her? -Have you asked her? | 0:41:37 | 0:41:40 | |
Oh, she doesn't talk to me about stuff. | 0:41:40 | 0:41:42 | |
She might have had a conversation with Helen about it, not me. | 0:41:42 | 0:41:45 | |
Does she drink with other people, or is it...? | 0:41:47 | 0:41:49 | |
No, no, it's all been on her own at home. | 0:41:49 | 0:41:52 | |
OK. | 0:41:55 | 0:41:56 | |
Happens she needs a good night out. | 0:41:58 | 0:42:01 | |
Yeah? Well, we could all do with one o' them, couldn't we? | 0:42:01 | 0:42:05 | |
I'll talk to her. | 0:42:05 | 0:42:06 | |
Are you all right? | 0:42:08 | 0:42:09 | |
It was Ryan's birthday yesterday. | 0:42:13 | 0:42:15 | |
Becky died six weeks after he was born, so, you know... | 0:42:16 | 0:42:19 | |
..it's just something we have to get through in our house. | 0:42:21 | 0:42:24 | |
I were thinking.... | 0:42:28 | 0:42:31 | |
you know what you told me last night? | 0:42:31 | 0:42:33 | |
Yeah? | 0:42:34 | 0:42:35 | |
I've said I won't say anything to our Catherine, | 0:42:36 | 0:42:38 | |
and I shan't, I've promised, | 0:42:38 | 0:42:40 | |
but don't you think you SHOULD tell the police? | 0:42:40 | 0:42:43 | |
I'm just thinking that whoever... | 0:42:43 | 0:42:46 | |
killed her, | 0:42:46 | 0:42:49 | |
she might have been blackmailing HIM. | 0:42:49 | 0:42:51 | |
But... | 0:42:52 | 0:42:53 | |
isn't this bloke a serial killer? | 0:42:53 | 0:42:55 | |
On the news they're saying | 0:42:55 | 0:42:56 | |
she didn't fit the same profile as the others. | 0:42:56 | 0:42:59 | |
It might be a different killer to the others, | 0:42:59 | 0:43:01 | |
and they need to know that. | 0:43:01 | 0:43:04 | |
Well, the police obviously don't think that. | 0:43:04 | 0:43:06 | |
They've...they've linked them. | 0:43:06 | 0:43:09 | |
And they've got this fella in custody now anyway, so... | 0:43:10 | 0:43:13 | |
Yeah, but what if... What if... | 0:43:13 | 0:43:15 | |
Oh... | 0:43:16 | 0:43:18 | |
I don't know. | 0:43:18 | 0:43:19 | |
Look... | 0:43:21 | 0:43:22 | |
if I went down there and offered them information, | 0:43:22 | 0:43:24 | |
first of all, they'd think I was a crank. | 0:43:24 | 0:43:27 | |
And they'd be laughing at me. | 0:43:27 | 0:43:28 | |
Then I'd have to go through it all. | 0:43:29 | 0:43:32 | |
Again and again and again... | 0:43:32 | 0:43:34 | |
You don't know what that does to me, Clare. | 0:43:38 | 0:43:41 | |
Hiya, love. | 0:43:47 | 0:43:48 | |
Sarge, have you got a minute? | 0:43:51 | 0:43:54 | |
Hello, Steph. | 0:43:54 | 0:43:56 | |
I think that... | 0:43:56 | 0:43:57 | |
I think I've decided that I should resign. | 0:43:57 | 0:43:59 | |
I've spoken to the specials liaison officer. | 0:43:59 | 0:44:01 | |
I don't think you should resign. STEPH SIGHS | 0:44:01 | 0:44:04 | |
-Well, it looks like they're going to charge this bloke. -Does it? | 0:44:04 | 0:44:07 | |
They've had him in custody for two days. | 0:44:07 | 0:44:09 | |
I've just heard they're applying to the magistrate | 0:44:09 | 0:44:11 | |
for a three-day lie down. | 0:44:11 | 0:44:13 | |
And I let him slip through my fingers, so yeah. | 0:44:13 | 0:44:15 | |
Steph, how long have you been in the job? | 0:44:15 | 0:44:17 | |
Specials? About six month. | 0:44:19 | 0:44:21 | |
You made a mistake. | 0:44:23 | 0:44:25 | |
I suspect you listened to Bryony, who IS a lazy sod, | 0:44:25 | 0:44:28 | |
and whose first and last instinct is to do the minimum. | 0:44:28 | 0:44:31 | |
She's the one who should be offering to resign, not you. | 0:44:32 | 0:44:35 | |
She's been in the job five years | 0:44:35 | 0:44:37 | |
and she knows no more now than she did then. | 0:44:37 | 0:44:40 | |
I suspect you wanted to do more, but you let yourself be led by her. | 0:44:40 | 0:44:44 | |
Yeah? | 0:44:44 | 0:44:45 | |
Go with your own instincts in future, | 0:44:47 | 0:44:49 | |
stick your neck out now and again. | 0:44:49 | 0:44:51 | |
Yeah, Leonie's a prostitute, | 0:44:51 | 0:44:52 | |
but she's also a vulnerable 19-year-old | 0:44:52 | 0:44:54 | |
who is where she is because she's had a shit life. | 0:44:54 | 0:44:57 | |
Don't resign. | 0:44:59 | 0:45:00 | |
I'll be really pissed off if you resign. | 0:45:01 | 0:45:04 | |
Last week, in assembly... | 0:45:19 | 0:45:22 | |
Mrs Beresford was on about forgiveness. | 0:45:22 | 0:45:25 | |
Was she? | 0:45:28 | 0:45:30 | |
She said that we had to find it in our hearts to forgive people things. | 0:45:31 | 0:45:35 | |
Good. | 0:45:36 | 0:45:37 | |
Especially if they say they're sorry. | 0:45:37 | 0:45:40 | |
That's right. | 0:45:41 | 0:45:43 | |
However angry or upset we might feel. | 0:45:43 | 0:45:45 | |
Well, yeah. There you go, eh? | 0:45:47 | 0:45:50 | |
So I was thinking, maybe it was his way of trying to say sorry | 0:45:50 | 0:45:55 | |
for what he did, sending me that Scalextric, me dad. | 0:45:55 | 0:45:59 | |
Ryan, you've got to stop calling him your dad. | 0:46:02 | 0:46:05 | |
You've got to stop thinking about this man as your dad. | 0:46:05 | 0:46:08 | |
A dad is someone who's there. | 0:46:08 | 0:46:10 | |
Every day. | 0:46:11 | 0:46:13 | |
Someone who cares about you, who loves you, who helps you, who... | 0:46:14 | 0:46:18 | |
w-who shows you how to... | 0:46:18 | 0:46:20 | |
tie your laces or pump up your tyres, | 0:46:20 | 0:46:23 | |
someone who can take you places, someone who knows who you are. | 0:46:23 | 0:46:26 | |
It's not someone who lies to you about living on a narrow boat | 0:46:26 | 0:46:29 | |
and pours petrol over you | 0:46:29 | 0:46:31 | |
and kicks the living daylights out of your grandmother. | 0:46:31 | 0:46:34 | |
But perhaps he would have liked to have done them things with me | 0:46:34 | 0:46:38 | |
-if he hadn't been in prison. -Yeah, but Ryan, | 0:46:38 | 0:46:40 | |
perhaps if he was the kind of man who cared about other people enough, | 0:46:40 | 0:46:43 | |
he'd never have been in prison in the first place. | 0:46:43 | 0:46:46 | |
MOBILE PHONE BEEPS | 0:47:10 | 0:47:12 | |
Amanda! | 0:47:30 | 0:47:32 | |
Ama...! | 0:47:32 | 0:47:33 | |
What?! | 0:47:40 | 0:47:41 | |
-Ben, open the door. -Kids, in the other room, come on. | 0:47:44 | 0:47:46 | |
-Quick, quick, quick. -He lives here too! | 0:47:46 | 0:47:48 | |
Go in there. Ben... | 0:47:48 | 0:47:49 | |
-Go on, in there. -Where will he go? | 0:47:49 | 0:47:52 | |
He'll be fine, he'll go to his mother's, go in there. Both of you! | 0:47:52 | 0:47:55 | |
-I don't want him not to be here, even if he is a pig. -Amanda! | 0:47:55 | 0:47:58 | |
Go in there, both of you. | 0:47:58 | 0:48:00 | |
Oh, bollocks! | 0:48:06 | 0:48:08 | |
You're upsetting these children! | 0:48:09 | 0:48:11 | |
I'M upsetting 'em?! You're the one that's upsetting them! | 0:48:11 | 0:48:14 | |
You need to leave us alone. | 0:48:14 | 0:48:16 | |
-You need to go away. -Fuck you! | 0:48:16 | 0:48:18 | |
-Fuck YOU! -Fuck you! | 0:48:18 | 0:48:20 | |
Come on, let's get you inside. | 0:48:24 | 0:48:26 | |
CHILD CRIES | 0:48:26 | 0:48:28 | |
FOOTSTEPS APPROACH | 0:48:44 | 0:48:47 | |
Hiya. | 0:48:52 | 0:48:53 | |
Hiya. | 0:48:53 | 0:48:54 | |
Are you all right? | 0:48:54 | 0:48:56 | |
I'm sorry that I get wound up about stuff, but... | 0:49:01 | 0:49:04 | |
..it's only cos I love you and I care about you, | 0:49:05 | 0:49:08 | |
you know that, don't you? | 0:49:08 | 0:49:09 | |
Yup. | 0:49:09 | 0:49:10 | |
Right, come on. | 0:49:16 | 0:49:17 | |
Love you. | 0:49:36 | 0:49:37 | |
I love you. | 0:49:40 | 0:49:42 | |
Night-night. | 0:49:43 | 0:49:45 | |
Night-night. | 0:49:45 | 0:49:47 | |
SHEEP BLEAT | 0:49:47 | 0:49:49 | |
What's happened to t'front of your car? | 0:50:00 | 0:50:02 | |
I just... | 0:50:02 | 0:50:04 | |
scraped a wall. | 0:50:04 | 0:50:05 | |
I hope you weren't drinking and driving. Were you? | 0:50:09 | 0:50:12 | |
You will get caught, you know, Daryl. | 0:50:13 | 0:50:15 | |
And who's going to pay for that getting fixed? | 0:50:20 | 0:50:22 | |
It's reight, it still goes. | 0:50:22 | 0:50:25 | |
It won't pass its MOT, love, not like that. | 0:50:25 | 0:50:28 | |
And what if you'd hit someone? | 0:50:28 | 0:50:30 | |
BUZZER | 0:50:38 | 0:50:39 | |
-What've you got for me? -I think you'll be pleased. | 0:50:41 | 0:50:44 | |
I didn't, and I told you I wouldn't, do anything illegal. | 0:50:44 | 0:50:47 | |
You're not going to tell me you didn't do owt. | 0:50:49 | 0:50:52 | |
I did do something. | 0:50:52 | 0:50:53 | |
Did you know it was his birthday? | 0:50:55 | 0:50:57 | |
The day before yesterday? | 0:50:57 | 0:50:59 | |
I only found out two days before. | 0:50:59 | 0:51:02 | |
He was... He was ten. | 0:51:02 | 0:51:04 | |
Ten years old. | 0:51:05 | 0:51:07 | |
OK. | 0:51:09 | 0:51:10 | |
So I sent him a present. | 0:51:10 | 0:51:12 | |
I left it on the doorstep with a card inside. | 0:51:14 | 0:51:18 | |
From you. | 0:51:18 | 0:51:19 | |
It was expensive, something I knew he'd like. | 0:51:20 | 0:51:22 | |
Racing cars. And he did. | 0:51:22 | 0:51:24 | |
Of course, she wanted to put it in the bin | 0:51:24 | 0:51:27 | |
when she knew it was from you, and she did put it in the bin, | 0:51:27 | 0:51:29 | |
and, of course, that made him angry and upset. | 0:51:29 | 0:51:31 | |
-How do you know? -He told me. | 0:51:31 | 0:51:33 | |
And it's made him start to ask even more questions. | 0:51:36 | 0:51:38 | |
I suggested to him that you sent it | 0:51:40 | 0:51:43 | |
because you're sorry for what you did. | 0:51:43 | 0:51:45 | |
I think that's a very powerful message. | 0:51:45 | 0:51:47 | |
If we can subtly undermine all the messages she reinforces every day, | 0:51:47 | 0:51:53 | |
it may be a slow process, but if we persist, and we will, | 0:51:53 | 0:51:57 | |
-surely that's better than... -I don't understand. | 0:51:57 | 0:52:00 | |
OK. | 0:52:02 | 0:52:04 | |
Am I...? Am I being thick, | 0:52:06 | 0:52:09 | |
or are you just not getting the fact that there's been a development? | 0:52:09 | 0:52:12 | |
This bitch, this nasty ugly whore. | 0:52:14 | 0:52:17 | |
Sorry, but she... | 0:52:20 | 0:52:22 | |
She's killed my mother. | 0:52:23 | 0:52:25 | |
And you think buying him expensive toys is some sort of solution? | 0:52:27 | 0:52:30 | |
I-I don't know that I can do anything | 0:52:32 | 0:52:34 | |
-about what she did to your mother. -But... | 0:52:34 | 0:52:36 | |
-What I can do with Ryan... -That is what I asked you to do. | 0:52:36 | 0:52:38 | |
It may not have been her. | 0:52:42 | 0:52:44 | |
-They've arrested someone. -I know they've arrested someone. | 0:52:44 | 0:52:47 | |
I saw it on t'news, Frances, so what? | 0:52:47 | 0:52:49 | |
Frances... | 0:52:51 | 0:52:52 | |
..you're sweet, but you're naive. | 0:52:55 | 0:52:58 | |
She has killed my mother to piss on me, | 0:52:58 | 0:53:02 | |
just cos she can. | 0:53:02 | 0:53:03 | |
Like me living in this shit-hole isn't enough for her. | 0:53:05 | 0:53:07 | |
And she has disguised it by killing them others first, | 0:53:07 | 0:53:10 | |
and now her little police buddies are helping her cover it up | 0:53:10 | 0:53:12 | |
by arresting some no-mates who they can pin anything on. | 0:53:12 | 0:53:15 | |
Do you really believe they could do that? | 0:53:15 | 0:53:17 | |
Oh, I don't know what else to say to you. | 0:53:17 | 0:53:19 | |
You've led a sheltered life, it's not your fault. | 0:53:21 | 0:53:24 | |
It's why you're so good and kind. | 0:53:26 | 0:53:28 | |
It's why you always see the best in people. | 0:53:28 | 0:53:31 | |
Frances... | 0:53:32 | 0:53:34 | |
But some people, and she is one of 'em, | 0:53:39 | 0:53:42 | |
they're craftier than you'd ever give 'em credit for, | 0:53:42 | 0:53:45 | |
and they get themselves into positions of authority | 0:53:45 | 0:53:47 | |
so they can get away with stuff. | 0:53:47 | 0:53:49 | |
I don't know what else to say. I... | 0:53:53 | 0:53:55 | |
I thought you got it. | 0:53:57 | 0:53:58 | |
The priority for me is working towards Ryan | 0:54:04 | 0:54:06 | |
not accepting the demonised version of you that she reinforces... | 0:54:06 | 0:54:09 | |
The best way to achieve that... | 0:54:09 | 0:54:10 | |
I told him I didn't believe you did half of what... | 0:54:10 | 0:54:12 | |
As far as I'm concerned, the best way to achieve that... | 0:54:12 | 0:54:15 | |
-..he listened, he thought about it, and it sank in. -..is to remove her. | 0:54:15 | 0:54:18 | |
From the picture. | 0:54:18 | 0:54:20 | |
Reinforce that. | 0:54:21 | 0:54:22 | |
-But what you're suggesting is illegal... -Fuck illegal! | 0:54:22 | 0:54:26 | |
When has doing anything legally got anybody like me anywhere? | 0:54:26 | 0:54:29 | |
Frances, you're going to have to do what I've asked you to do. | 0:54:32 | 0:54:36 | |
Or what I'm thinking is... | 0:54:40 | 0:54:41 | |
..this... | 0:54:44 | 0:54:46 | |
..you and me... | 0:54:49 | 0:54:50 | |
..it's not going to work, I'm sorry. | 0:54:53 | 0:54:56 | |
I thought you understood me. I really did. | 0:54:56 | 0:54:59 | |
I do! I do understand you, don't say that, please. | 0:54:59 | 0:55:02 | |
Please, I understand you better than anyone. | 0:55:02 | 0:55:05 | |
-Do you understand what I'm saying, then? -I... -Nothing is illegal. | 0:55:05 | 0:55:08 | |
It's just a word people use to control other people with. | 0:55:12 | 0:55:15 | |
She has stolen my son and murdered my mother. | 0:55:17 | 0:55:21 | |
That is illegal and nobody has raised an eyebrow. | 0:55:21 | 0:55:24 | |
And believe me, | 0:55:25 | 0:55:27 | |
it is not that lad they've arrested that's killed these women. | 0:55:27 | 0:55:30 | |
Look at him, picture of him, on t'telly. | 0:55:30 | 0:55:32 | |
He hasn't got it in him. | 0:55:33 | 0:55:35 | |
VOICE SHAKING: Frances... | 0:55:37 | 0:55:39 | |
..if you're not on my side, who is? | 0:55:41 | 0:55:43 | |
What would you like me to do? | 0:55:49 | 0:55:51 | |
I'd like you to use your imagination. | 0:55:53 | 0:55:56 | |
-I have been doing. -Yeah, you have. | 0:55:56 | 0:55:59 | |
Brilliantly. | 0:55:59 | 0:56:00 | |
I was so impressed, the way you got into that school. | 0:56:00 | 0:56:03 | |
But I need more. | 0:56:06 | 0:56:07 | |
I need you to take it further. | 0:56:09 | 0:56:10 | |
I wasn't anticipating it any more than you were. | 0:56:12 | 0:56:15 | |
I didn't know she'd go out of her way to target my mother, | 0:56:15 | 0:56:19 | |
but she did. | 0:56:19 | 0:56:20 | |
And now they're going to go out of their way to let her walk, | 0:56:21 | 0:56:24 | |
and I can't do anything. | 0:56:24 | 0:56:26 | |
But you can. | 0:56:27 | 0:56:29 | |
If our two hearts do beat as one, | 0:56:31 | 0:56:35 | |
and I like to think that they do... | 0:56:35 | 0:56:37 | |
..then you know what I want. | 0:56:38 | 0:56:40 | |
You know what I want, Frances. | 0:56:44 | 0:56:47 | |
# In this trouble town | 0:56:49 | 0:56:52 | |
# Trouble I've found | 0:56:52 | 0:56:55 | |
# In this trouble town | 0:56:57 | 0:57:00 | |
# Word sure gets round | 0:57:00 | 0:57:03 | |
# Stuck in speed-bump city | 0:57:10 | 0:57:12 | |
# Where the only thing that's pretty | 0:57:12 | 0:57:14 | |
# Is the thought of getting out. # | 0:57:14 | 0:57:16 |