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ECHO OF CHILD SHOUTING | 0:00:24 | 0:00:26 | |
ECHO OF CHILDREN SCREAMING | 0:00:38 | 0:00:41 | |
INDISTINCT WHISPERING | 0:00:48 | 0:00:50 | |
WHISPERING GROWS LOUDER | 0:00:52 | 0:00:54 | |
SILENCE | 0:01:01 | 0:01:04 | |
FAINT ECHO OF VOICES | 0:01:25 | 0:01:27 | |
ECHO OF BABY CRYING | 0:01:38 | 0:01:40 | |
SHE GASPS IN PAIN | 0:02:32 | 0:02:34 | |
Alwyn Parry. Unit director. | 0:03:59 | 0:04:01 | |
DI Rhys. DCI Mathias. | 0:04:01 | 0:04:04 | |
Let me take you to Catrin's room. | 0:04:06 | 0:04:08 | |
Where did she get the scissors? | 0:04:50 | 0:04:52 | |
We think Catrin must have taken them from the day room. | 0:04:52 | 0:04:56 | |
We offer a range of arts and crafts classes. | 0:04:56 | 0:04:58 | |
Part of their rehabilitation therapy. | 0:04:58 | 0:05:00 | |
Was Catrin considered a suicide risk? | 0:05:03 | 0:05:05 | |
No, this came as a shock to us all. | 0:05:05 | 0:05:08 | |
Since your conviction of her in 2012, Catrin's made good progress. | 0:05:10 | 0:05:14 | |
Dr Cleaver, she's terribly upset. | 0:05:15 | 0:05:18 | |
-She was Catrin's therapist. -Can we talk to her? | 0:05:18 | 0:05:21 | |
Of course. Yes. | 0:05:21 | 0:05:23 | |
Catrin was responding well... | 0:05:35 | 0:05:38 | |
but her case was challenging. | 0:05:38 | 0:05:40 | |
Challenging how? | 0:05:41 | 0:05:43 | |
Gaining her trust. | 0:05:43 | 0:05:44 | |
Getting her to talk about her past, her time at the children's home, | 0:05:45 | 0:05:49 | |
the abuse she suffered, | 0:05:49 | 0:05:51 | |
the rape, the pregnancy, the death of her child. | 0:05:51 | 0:05:55 | |
Emma? | 0:05:55 | 0:05:56 | |
Catrin still demonstrated a lot of hostility towards Helen Jenkins. | 0:05:57 | 0:06:01 | |
Were you shocked when you heard that Catrin had taken her own life? | 0:06:01 | 0:06:05 | |
Catrin had a visitor. | 0:06:07 | 0:06:09 | |
A few weeks ago, a man came to the hospital to see her. | 0:06:09 | 0:06:13 | |
He unsettled her. | 0:06:13 | 0:06:15 | |
Undid a lot of hard work. | 0:06:15 | 0:06:17 | |
She received a letter asking to meet. | 0:06:18 | 0:06:21 | |
Catrin agreed. | 0:06:21 | 0:06:22 | |
-You read this letter? -Yes, yes. | 0:06:22 | 0:06:24 | |
Who is this man? Does he have a name? | 0:06:24 | 0:06:27 | |
Iwan Thomas. | 0:06:28 | 0:06:29 | |
Do you have any idea what he said to her? | 0:07:08 | 0:07:11 | |
Afraid not, no. | 0:07:11 | 0:07:13 | |
Then what about the letter? Where's that? | 0:07:14 | 0:07:17 | |
We haven't been able to find it. | 0:07:17 | 0:07:19 | |
We think she may have destroyed it before she took her own life. | 0:07:19 | 0:07:22 | |
'Iwan Thomas visited Catrin John at the hospital' | 0:08:55 | 0:08:58 | |
two days before he died. | 0:08:58 | 0:09:00 | |
-What? -Catrin was a resident at the children's home in Devil's Bridge. | 0:09:01 | 0:09:05 | |
The same place where Iwan's body was found. | 0:09:05 | 0:09:08 | |
You don't think that's odd? | 0:09:08 | 0:09:10 | |
Iwan Thomas took his own life. | 0:09:11 | 0:09:13 | |
Why he chose to kill himself only he knows, but the case is closed. | 0:09:14 | 0:09:18 | |
You can't close the case. New evidence has come to light. | 0:09:18 | 0:09:21 | |
I've examined all the facts... | 0:09:21 | 0:09:22 | |
..and the facts of the case suggest Iwan took his own life. | 0:09:23 | 0:09:27 | |
I'll amend my report to the coroner to include Iwan's visit to the hospital but that's it. | 0:09:28 | 0:09:32 | |
-That's it?! -Yes. -You and I both know that there's more to it than that. | 0:09:32 | 0:09:36 | |
-I've done my job. -Oh, well, that's all right, then! | 0:09:36 | 0:09:40 | |
Whatever guilt you may feel about Iwan's death... | 0:09:43 | 0:09:46 | |
..that's your problem. | 0:09:47 | 0:09:49 | |
Not mine. | 0:09:52 | 0:09:54 | |
I've been going through Iwan Thomas' old case files. | 0:11:32 | 0:11:35 | |
Before he lost his job, he'd been running an investigation | 0:11:36 | 0:11:38 | |
into the death of this guy - Kieron Jones. | 0:11:38 | 0:11:41 | |
Kieron Jones died. He killed himself in Penmorfa Prison in 2002. | 0:11:41 | 0:11:46 | |
But he was also a resident at Pontarfynach children's home | 0:11:46 | 0:11:49 | |
the same time as Catrin John. | 0:11:49 | 0:11:51 | |
And before Kieron died, he made accusations | 0:11:53 | 0:11:55 | |
that he'd been sexually abused during his time at the home. | 0:11:55 | 0:11:58 | |
-And these allegations, were they investigated? -I don't know. | 0:11:58 | 0:12:02 | |
But that's why Iwan wanted to talk to Catrin. | 0:12:03 | 0:12:06 | |
I'm sure of it. | 0:12:06 | 0:12:08 | |
He was still looking for answers, then. | 0:12:08 | 0:12:11 | |
Kieron Jones was repeatedly in trouble with the police as a child. | 0:12:20 | 0:12:23 | |
Theft, truancy, vandalism, threatening behaviour. | 0:12:23 | 0:12:26 | |
Kieron was taken into state care | 0:12:27 | 0:12:29 | |
after he threatened a teacher with a knife. | 0:12:29 | 0:12:32 | |
That's when he was remanded to Pontarfynach children's home. | 0:12:32 | 0:12:35 | |
June 1990. He was 11 years old. | 0:12:35 | 0:12:38 | |
When that home was closed, | 0:12:38 | 0:12:40 | |
Kieron was then moved to a young offenders' unit. | 0:12:40 | 0:12:42 | |
He was released in 1998. | 0:12:42 | 0:12:44 | |
Six months later he attacked a man in the street, robbed him | 0:12:44 | 0:12:47 | |
at knife-point, and he was sentenced to seven years in prison. | 0:12:47 | 0:12:50 | |
And that's when he made allegations that he was abused | 0:12:50 | 0:12:53 | |
-during this time at the Pontarfynach children's home? -Yes. | 0:12:53 | 0:12:56 | |
An allegation that was refuted by a fellow inmate - Paul Webb. | 0:12:56 | 0:13:00 | |
Webb was also at the same children's home as Kieron Jones. | 0:13:01 | 0:13:05 | |
Iwan Thomas interviewed Webb | 0:13:06 | 0:13:09 | |
but Webb denied any knowledge of the abuse. | 0:13:09 | 0:13:11 | |
That's why Iwan Thomas' investigation was dropped. | 0:13:11 | 0:13:14 | |
But we know that's not true. There were abuses at that home. | 0:13:14 | 0:13:17 | |
Then why didn't Webb speak up about it? | 0:13:17 | 0:13:20 | |
Paul Webb, is he here? | 0:14:13 | 0:14:15 | |
What's this about? | 0:14:16 | 0:14:18 | |
It's all right, Maggie. | 0:14:18 | 0:14:20 | |
So, what do you want? | 0:14:40 | 0:14:41 | |
Catrin John. | 0:14:41 | 0:14:43 | |
She was found dead this morning. | 0:14:43 | 0:14:46 | |
I'm sorry to hear that. | 0:14:49 | 0:14:51 | |
What's it got to do with me? | 0:14:51 | 0:14:53 | |
What do you remember about your time at Pontarfynach children's home? | 0:14:53 | 0:14:56 | |
I remember the spiteful bitch who ran the place. | 0:14:58 | 0:15:01 | |
Helen Jenkins? | 0:15:03 | 0:15:04 | |
That woman deserved everything she got. I hope she suffered. | 0:15:05 | 0:15:09 | |
Do you remember Kieron Jones? | 0:15:09 | 0:15:11 | |
Yeah, I remember him. | 0:15:12 | 0:15:13 | |
-You were at Pontarfynach together. -I was 12. He was 11. | 0:15:13 | 0:15:17 | |
-You were also in prison together, weren't you? -So?! | 0:15:17 | 0:15:21 | |
It was at this time that Kieron made allegations | 0:15:22 | 0:15:24 | |
-that he and other children at the home were abused. -Yeah. | 0:15:24 | 0:15:27 | |
Allegations you denied. | 0:15:27 | 0:15:29 | |
That was a long time ago, right? I don't want to talk about it. | 0:15:30 | 0:15:33 | |
Iwan Thomas. | 0:15:40 | 0:15:42 | |
The officer sent to investigate Kieron's death. | 0:15:43 | 0:15:46 | |
-What about him? -When was the last time you spoke to him? | 0:15:46 | 0:15:49 | |
-Why?! -Because he's dead. | 0:15:49 | 0:15:51 | |
His body was found in the ravine in Devil's Bridge. | 0:15:52 | 0:15:56 | |
He turned up here a few weeks ago asking questions. | 0:15:59 | 0:16:02 | |
What sort of questions? | 0:16:02 | 0:16:04 | |
The same questions you're asking, about Kieron, Catrin, Pontarfynach. | 0:16:04 | 0:16:07 | |
-What did you tell him? -Nothing! | 0:16:07 | 0:16:10 | |
Do you remember this photo? | 0:16:10 | 0:16:12 | |
We know that this is Helen Jenkins, and Byron Rogers is there as well. | 0:16:21 | 0:16:26 | |
But we don't know him. | 0:16:27 | 0:16:29 | |
Do you know who he is, Paul? | 0:16:31 | 0:16:33 | |
Paul. | 0:16:36 | 0:16:38 | |
His name was Vaughan. | 0:16:40 | 0:16:42 | |
Dr Hugh Vaughan. | 0:16:44 | 0:16:46 | |
Right, you need to go. I don't want to talk about it any more. | 0:16:48 | 0:16:52 | |
-LLOYD: -'Hugh Vaughan, local GP. | 0:17:30 | 0:17:32 | |
'He started working at Pontarfynach in the late 1980s' | 0:17:32 | 0:17:35 | |
and he was a regular visitor there until his disappearance in 1994. | 0:17:35 | 0:17:39 | |
His disappearance? | 0:17:39 | 0:17:41 | |
'Vaughan's car was found abandoned at a beach near Clarach.' | 0:17:41 | 0:17:44 | |
His body was never found. | 0:17:44 | 0:17:46 | |
After a coroner's inquest in 2001, he was declared legally dead. | 0:17:46 | 0:17:50 | |
'What about the family?' | 0:17:50 | 0:17:52 | |
All I can find is the dead man's mother, sir. Ethni Vaughan. | 0:17:52 | 0:17:55 | |
'I'll send the address over to you now.' | 0:17:55 | 0:17:58 | |
Mrs Vaughan? Ethni Vaughan? | 0:18:29 | 0:18:31 | |
We'd like to ask you some questions about your son. | 0:18:32 | 0:18:35 | |
About his role at Pontarfynach children's home. | 0:18:35 | 0:18:38 | |
'Hugh was the local GP.' | 0:18:40 | 0:18:43 | |
He visited the home to check on the health and wellbeing | 0:18:44 | 0:18:48 | |
of the children. | 0:18:48 | 0:18:49 | |
The children were troubled. | 0:18:49 | 0:18:52 | |
Most of them came from broken homes. | 0:18:52 | 0:18:54 | |
They'd been denied a lot of life's advantages. | 0:18:54 | 0:18:59 | |
Hugh wanted to help. | 0:18:59 | 0:19:00 | |
He never married? | 0:19:02 | 0:19:03 | |
Never had children of his own? | 0:19:04 | 0:19:07 | |
How is that relevant? | 0:19:07 | 0:19:09 | |
Why are you here? | 0:19:11 | 0:19:13 | |
Why are you asking about the children's home? | 0:19:14 | 0:19:17 | |
Why now, after all these years? | 0:19:17 | 0:19:19 | |
Are you aware of the allegations that were made... | 0:19:19 | 0:19:22 | |
of abuses at the home? | 0:19:22 | 0:19:24 | |
How is any of this pertinent to my son? | 0:19:26 | 0:19:30 | |
Well, your son had regular contact with the children. | 0:19:30 | 0:19:33 | |
What are you suggesting? | 0:19:33 | 0:19:35 | |
We're just trying to find out... | 0:19:38 | 0:19:41 | |
why your son may have taken his own life, Mrs Vaughan. | 0:19:41 | 0:19:44 | |
This isn't right. | 0:19:45 | 0:19:47 | |
I want you to leave, please. Go. | 0:19:48 | 0:19:51 | |
DCI Mathias. | 0:20:01 | 0:20:03 | |
My office. | 0:20:04 | 0:20:06 | |
The GP. Hugh Vaughan. | 0:20:18 | 0:20:20 | |
-His mother's made a formal complaint. -Of course she has, sir. | 0:20:21 | 0:20:25 | |
She doesn't want us asking questions about her son. | 0:20:25 | 0:20:27 | |
Ethni Vaughan's had to suffer years of rumour about her son's death | 0:20:27 | 0:20:31 | |
and his involvement with the children's home. | 0:20:31 | 0:20:33 | |
She doesn't need the past to be raked up all over again. | 0:20:33 | 0:20:36 | |
What about Catrin John, sir? She was abused, wasn't she? She was raped. | 0:20:36 | 0:20:40 | |
And she went to the grave not knowing who was responsible. | 0:20:40 | 0:20:43 | |
You know that investigation was taken as far as it could go. | 0:20:43 | 0:20:46 | |
No, I don't. | 0:20:46 | 0:20:48 | |
There wasn't enough corroborating evidence to support the allegations made by Catrin John. | 0:20:48 | 0:20:52 | |
-What about Hugh Vaughan? -What about him? -Don't you think he could have been involved? -Did she name him? | 0:20:52 | 0:20:56 | |
-No. -There we are, then. There isn't enough evidence! | 0:20:56 | 0:20:59 | |
We don't have any evidence because there wasn't an investigation! | 0:20:59 | 0:21:03 | |
Listen, those children were abused. | 0:21:04 | 0:21:07 | |
Hugh Vaughan was a regular visitor at the home. He was there. He was involved. | 0:21:08 | 0:21:12 | |
And maybe that's why he took his own life. | 0:21:12 | 0:21:14 | |
-We can't prove that. -Yeah, we can. | 0:21:14 | 0:21:16 | |
We get a matching DNA from Catrin's baby and compare it | 0:21:16 | 0:21:19 | |
-to that of the missing GP's. -And how do you propose to do that? | 0:21:19 | 0:21:21 | |
We get a DNA sample from his mother. Come on, sir! | 0:21:21 | 0:21:24 | |
Ethni Vaughan has suffered enough. She would never grant a consent to that. | 0:21:24 | 0:21:28 | |
Now just leave it, Tom, and that's an order! | 0:21:28 | 0:21:30 | |
What did Prosser want? | 0:21:45 | 0:21:47 | |
To congratulate us on a job well done. | 0:21:47 | 0:21:49 | |
I think Iwan was on to something. | 0:21:50 | 0:21:52 | |
Don't you? | 0:21:52 | 0:21:54 | |
The children's home, the GP, his own death. | 0:21:54 | 0:21:57 | |
-They're all connected. -And Prosser? | 0:21:58 | 0:22:01 | |
-Will he support an investigation? -I don't care. | 0:22:01 | 0:22:04 | |
We owe it to those children and to Catrin to find the truth. | 0:22:04 | 0:22:07 | |
-Tom... -I know, Mared. | 0:22:07 | 0:22:09 | |
Procedure, professional focus, a way of doing things, yes. | 0:22:09 | 0:22:13 | |
But I'm not going to walk away from this now. | 0:22:14 | 0:22:17 | |
'Did Catrin ever mention a Hugh Vaughan?' | 0:22:37 | 0:22:40 | |
I tried not to push Catrin too hard. | 0:22:40 | 0:22:43 | |
Not to rush her. | 0:22:44 | 0:22:45 | |
I wanted Catrin to feel comfortable. | 0:22:45 | 0:22:48 | |
To speak when she wanted. | 0:22:48 | 0:22:50 | |
To gain her trust. | 0:22:50 | 0:22:52 | |
And did she trust you? | 0:22:53 | 0:22:55 | |
Catrin had a fundamental distrust of figures like me | 0:22:55 | 0:22:58 | |
and institutions like this. | 0:22:58 | 0:23:00 | |
Yes. | 0:23:00 | 0:23:01 | |
After what happened at Pontarfynach, | 0:23:01 | 0:23:03 | |
who could blame her? | 0:23:03 | 0:23:05 | |
Part of my work with Catrin was about rebuilding that trust. | 0:23:06 | 0:23:11 | |
Did Catrin ever confide in anyone else here? | 0:23:12 | 0:23:14 | |
A patient, perhaps. | 0:23:14 | 0:23:16 | |
Someone that she could talk to. | 0:23:16 | 0:23:19 | |
Clare... | 0:23:33 | 0:23:35 | |
this is DCI Mathias. | 0:23:35 | 0:23:37 | |
He'd like to ask you a few questions. Might that be OK? | 0:23:38 | 0:23:41 | |
I'll leave you. | 0:23:53 | 0:23:54 | |
Are you here because of Catrin? | 0:24:03 | 0:24:05 | |
Yes. | 0:24:06 | 0:24:07 | |
Yes, I am. | 0:24:07 | 0:24:09 | |
She was my friend. | 0:24:10 | 0:24:12 | |
I'm sorry. | 0:24:12 | 0:24:14 | |
Clare, do you have any idea why Catrin did what she did to herself? | 0:24:19 | 0:24:23 | |
She was unhappy. | 0:24:25 | 0:24:27 | |
Did she talk about a man who came to see her recently? | 0:24:28 | 0:24:32 | |
I know that the visit upset her. | 0:24:33 | 0:24:36 | |
I just wanted to know if you knew what they spoke about or... | 0:24:36 | 0:24:39 | |
what the man said to her. | 0:24:39 | 0:24:41 | |
They spoke about the children's home. | 0:24:42 | 0:24:45 | |
The one she was in. | 0:24:46 | 0:24:48 | |
The man told Catrin he was going to find the people | 0:24:51 | 0:24:54 | |
responsible for hurting her. | 0:24:54 | 0:24:56 | |
Then... | 0:24:56 | 0:24:58 | |
when Catrin found out what happened to him, that he'd died... | 0:24:58 | 0:25:02 | |
..she was afraid. | 0:25:03 | 0:25:05 | |
-What was she afraid about? -I don't know. She was just afraid. | 0:25:05 | 0:25:09 | |
Hugh Vaughan. Did she mention him at all? | 0:25:09 | 0:25:12 | |
-No. -Are you sure, Clare? | 0:25:13 | 0:25:15 | |
I'm sorry. I want to help. | 0:25:15 | 0:25:17 | |
That's OK. | 0:25:18 | 0:25:19 | |
I've got nothing to say to you, | 0:26:07 | 0:26:09 | |
so get back in your car and go. | 0:26:09 | 0:26:12 | |
Iwan's death has been ruled as suicide | 0:26:13 | 0:26:15 | |
but I don't think he killed himself. | 0:26:15 | 0:26:17 | |
Neither do you. | 0:26:17 | 0:26:19 | |
So I need your help to prove it. | 0:26:25 | 0:26:27 | |
Did Iwan ever talk about Kieron Jones or Hugh Vaughan? | 0:26:33 | 0:26:37 | |
Kieron Jones. | 0:26:40 | 0:26:41 | |
Pontarfynach. | 0:26:42 | 0:26:44 | |
That's all he ever talked about. | 0:26:45 | 0:26:47 | |
Iwan knew that something happened there to those kids... | 0:26:49 | 0:26:52 | |
..but he was stopped from looking into it. | 0:26:53 | 0:26:55 | |
By who? | 0:26:56 | 0:26:58 | |
Prosser? | 0:27:01 | 0:27:03 | |
He always said that he was set up. | 0:27:08 | 0:27:11 | |
That they went after him. | 0:27:11 | 0:27:13 | |
Stop him digging. | 0:27:14 | 0:27:16 | |
I used to think that he was paranoid. | 0:27:19 | 0:27:21 | |
But he wasn't, was he? | 0:27:24 | 0:27:25 | |
Mared! | 0:30:39 | 0:30:41 | |
TELEPHONE | 0:33:19 | 0:33:21 | |
Hello. | 0:33:29 | 0:33:31 | |
How well did you know Hugh Vaughan, Dr Blake? | 0:35:21 | 0:35:23 | |
We met during our post-graduate training. | 0:35:24 | 0:35:27 | |
We became friends. | 0:35:28 | 0:35:30 | |
We remained friends. | 0:35:30 | 0:35:31 | |
He was a good doctor. | 0:35:32 | 0:35:34 | |
His death came as a total shock. | 0:35:34 | 0:35:36 | |
Did Vaughan ever mention his work at the Pontarfynach children's home? | 0:35:39 | 0:35:42 | |
-No. -He never mentioned the children under his care? -No. | 0:35:42 | 0:35:46 | |
You see, allegations have been made... | 0:35:46 | 0:35:48 | |
..of abuse at the home. | 0:35:50 | 0:35:51 | |
There were rumours, yes. | 0:35:51 | 0:35:54 | |
After his disappearance. | 0:35:54 | 0:35:55 | |
And these rumours, did you believe them? | 0:35:57 | 0:36:00 | |
Rumours aren't facts. | 0:36:02 | 0:36:04 | |
These children were abused and those responsible were never caught. | 0:36:06 | 0:36:08 | |
Those are the facts. | 0:36:08 | 0:36:10 | |
Don't you want these children to know the truth? | 0:36:13 | 0:36:16 | |
Of course I do. | 0:36:16 | 0:36:17 | |
But where's the evidence? Where are your witnesses? | 0:36:17 | 0:36:20 | |
Without compelling evidence there can be no investigation. | 0:36:22 | 0:36:26 | |
Now, if you'll excuse me, I need to go. | 0:36:27 | 0:36:30 | |
He's not here. I don't know when he'll be back. | 0:37:51 | 0:37:54 | |
Girls, take your dishes and go inside. | 0:37:57 | 0:37:59 | |
I know why you're here. | 0:38:14 | 0:38:16 | |
Children's home? | 0:38:18 | 0:38:19 | |
Has Paul spoken to you about it? | 0:38:22 | 0:38:24 | |
Doesn't need to. | 0:38:24 | 0:38:25 | |
I know something happened to him. | 0:38:29 | 0:38:31 | |
There. | 0:38:32 | 0:38:33 | |
I've heard the rumours. | 0:38:34 | 0:38:36 | |
Paul can help. | 0:38:36 | 0:38:37 | |
All he's got to do is talk to us. | 0:38:37 | 0:38:39 | |
-We can make things right. -Can things ever be made right? -Yes. | 0:38:40 | 0:38:44 | |
Come on. | 0:38:47 | 0:38:48 | |
Talk to him, Maggie. | 0:38:53 | 0:38:54 | |
What are you doing here? | 0:39:26 | 0:39:28 | |
Kieron Jones, Catrin John, Iwan Thomas. | 0:39:30 | 0:39:32 | |
They're all dead. | 0:39:32 | 0:39:33 | |
Somebody needs to be held responsible for it. | 0:39:35 | 0:39:37 | |
Why don't you want the truth to come out? | 0:39:37 | 0:39:39 | |
Kieron told the truth, didn't he? | 0:39:41 | 0:39:43 | |
About what happened to him at the home. All the abuse. | 0:39:43 | 0:39:46 | |
He spoke out. | 0:39:46 | 0:39:47 | |
-But you let him down, didn't you? -That's not what happened. | 0:39:48 | 0:39:51 | |
-You assaulted him. -No. | 0:39:51 | 0:39:52 | |
You tried to stop Kieron from talking, didn't you? You did. | 0:39:59 | 0:40:02 | |
Kieron was my friend. | 0:40:08 | 0:40:10 | |
We grew up in the system together. | 0:40:13 | 0:40:15 | |
He was small for his age. Weak. | 0:40:18 | 0:40:20 | |
So I tried to look out for him. | 0:40:21 | 0:40:23 | |
He was there for two years after I left. | 0:40:25 | 0:40:27 | |
And it didn't stop. | 0:40:29 | 0:40:31 | |
We were kids. | 0:40:35 | 0:40:36 | |
Hang on. You left in 1994 and Kieron was there until 1996, | 0:40:38 | 0:40:42 | |
two years after you left. | 0:40:42 | 0:40:43 | |
And he was abused the whole time? | 0:40:44 | 0:40:46 | |
There was no-one there to stop it. | 0:40:46 | 0:40:48 | |
A GP, Hugh Vaughan. | 0:41:02 | 0:41:04 | |
He took his own life in 1994, | 0:41:04 | 0:41:06 | |
but the abuse continued at the home until 1996. | 0:41:06 | 0:41:08 | |
-So the GP wasn't the only one? -It sounds like. | 0:41:08 | 0:41:11 | |
Where are you now, Tom? I've found something. | 0:41:11 | 0:41:14 | |
I'll meet you at your place. | 0:41:14 | 0:41:16 | |
1987, Catrin John and Jenny James | 0:41:53 | 0:41:56 | |
arrive at Pontarfynach children's home, run by Helen Jenkins. | 0:41:56 | 0:42:00 | |
1989, Catrin, now 14 years old, | 0:42:02 | 0:42:04 | |
is drugged and raped at the home by an unidentified man. | 0:42:04 | 0:42:07 | |
January 1990, Catrin gives birth to a baby girl, Emma. | 0:42:09 | 0:42:12 | |
The child is immediately taken from her. | 0:42:12 | 0:42:14 | |
Catrin believes that Helen Jenkins has arranged for Emma to be adopted. | 0:42:14 | 0:42:18 | |
But the truth is, the child is killed. | 0:42:18 | 0:42:21 | |
Smothered by Jenny James. | 0:42:21 | 0:42:23 | |
Helen Jenkins covers up the killing and with the help of her caretaker, | 0:42:24 | 0:42:28 | |
Byron Rogers, buries the child in the grounds of the home. | 0:42:28 | 0:42:31 | |
In the Celtic spiral. | 0:42:31 | 0:42:33 | |
During that time, Kieron Jones and Paul Webb arrive at Pontarfynach. | 0:42:35 | 0:42:38 | |
Both boys are repeatedly abused throughout their stay. | 0:42:38 | 0:42:41 | |
Hugh Vaughan... | 0:42:41 | 0:42:43 | |
..the local GP with connections to the home, goes missing. | 0:42:44 | 0:42:47 | |
His car is found abandoned at a beach near Clarach. | 0:42:47 | 0:42:50 | |
It's believed that he drowned. Killed himself. | 0:42:50 | 0:42:53 | |
But his body is never found. Why would he kill himself? | 0:42:53 | 0:42:56 | |
Did he have something to do with it? | 0:42:56 | 0:42:58 | |
And if so, was it guilt? | 0:42:58 | 0:43:00 | |
Was he ashamed of what he did to those children? | 0:43:00 | 0:43:02 | |
We know that as a doctor Vaughan had regular unsupervised contact | 0:43:03 | 0:43:08 | |
with the children at the home. | 0:43:08 | 0:43:10 | |
But Paul Webb said that the abuse continued | 0:43:12 | 0:43:14 | |
long after Vaughan's disappearance. | 0:43:14 | 0:43:16 | |
Vaughan wasn't acting alone. | 0:43:16 | 0:43:18 | |
Then who else was involved? | 0:43:18 | 0:43:20 | |
Chief Superintendent Robert Owen. | 0:43:24 | 0:43:26 | |
He ran an outreach programme in the home during that time. | 0:43:29 | 0:43:32 | |
Here is a man of authority. | 0:43:33 | 0:43:35 | |
A man of influence. | 0:43:37 | 0:43:38 | |
A man well placed to stop any inquiry into any abuse. | 0:43:38 | 0:43:41 | |
-If we're wrong about this... -Yeah, but what if we're right? | 0:43:46 | 0:43:49 | |
Either way, no-one will thank us. | 0:43:49 | 0:43:51 | |
We can't just sit back and do nothing, can we? | 0:44:10 | 0:44:12 | |
These men destroyed people's lives. | 0:44:13 | 0:44:15 | |
And somebody's going to do something about it eventually. | 0:44:17 | 0:44:19 | |
Go back and see Ethni Vaughan. | 0:44:21 | 0:44:23 | |
See if she can remember anything about her son's disappearance. | 0:44:23 | 0:44:26 | |
And you? | 0:44:26 | 0:44:28 | |
Hello? | 0:45:23 | 0:45:24 | |
Come in. | 0:45:24 | 0:45:26 | |
Ah. | 0:45:35 | 0:45:36 | |
I suppose you're here to talk about Hugh Vaughan. | 0:45:38 | 0:45:41 | |
Yeah, that's right. | 0:45:41 | 0:45:43 | |
Word gets around. | 0:45:44 | 0:45:46 | |
So... | 0:45:49 | 0:45:50 | |
..ask away. | 0:45:51 | 0:45:53 | |
-How well did you know him? -Hugh? | 0:45:53 | 0:45:55 | |
We were good friends once. | 0:45:56 | 0:45:59 | |
-What about his death? -Mmm. | 0:46:01 | 0:46:03 | |
Terrible business. | 0:46:04 | 0:46:06 | |
Do you believe that he took his own life? | 0:46:07 | 0:46:09 | |
Who can know? | 0:46:12 | 0:46:14 | |
You ran an outreach programme at the home, did you not? | 0:46:16 | 0:46:18 | |
Yes, for juvenile offenders. | 0:46:20 | 0:46:22 | |
I was trying to rehabilitate them. Offer them something... | 0:46:22 | 0:46:24 | |
..better in life. | 0:46:25 | 0:46:27 | |
Broaden their horizons. | 0:46:29 | 0:46:30 | |
Something like that. | 0:46:33 | 0:46:35 | |
There have been allegations made of abuse. | 0:46:45 | 0:46:47 | |
Hundreds of children were helped at that home. | 0:46:50 | 0:46:53 | |
Given a chance in life that they might not otherwise have had. | 0:46:53 | 0:46:57 | |
One or two disgruntled voices | 0:46:59 | 0:47:01 | |
shouting loud because life didn't work out for them... | 0:47:01 | 0:47:03 | |
..is inevitable. | 0:47:05 | 0:47:06 | |
No. No, erm... | 0:47:10 | 0:47:11 | |
Those children were let down by the system. | 0:47:11 | 0:47:14 | |
Treated cruelly. | 0:47:16 | 0:47:17 | |
Preyed upon and abused and nobody believed them. | 0:47:17 | 0:47:19 | |
Nobody but Iwan Thomas. | 0:47:19 | 0:47:21 | |
Ah, yes. | 0:47:23 | 0:47:24 | |
Iwan Thomas. | 0:47:24 | 0:47:26 | |
I understand that you, erm... | 0:47:28 | 0:47:29 | |
..knew his wife quite well. | 0:47:30 | 0:47:32 | |
-This has got nothing to do with me. -Hasn't it? | 0:47:33 | 0:47:36 | |
Mr Owen... | 0:47:39 | 0:47:40 | |
..how many more people have to die or disappear | 0:47:42 | 0:47:44 | |
until the truth comes out? | 0:47:44 | 0:47:46 | |
I have... | 0:47:49 | 0:47:51 | |
..dedicated my life to this community. | 0:47:52 | 0:47:54 | |
I wonder if your record could... | 0:47:54 | 0:47:55 | |
..withstand such scrutiny? | 0:47:56 | 0:47:58 | |
Everyone has... | 0:48:03 | 0:48:05 | |
..skeletons in the closet. | 0:48:06 | 0:48:08 | |
You should think long and hard before doing something you might... | 0:48:08 | 0:48:11 | |
..regret. | 0:48:12 | 0:48:13 | |
Think about your career. | 0:48:15 | 0:48:17 | |
And the careers of those around you. | 0:48:17 | 0:48:20 | |
You might want to martyr yourself, but... | 0:48:21 | 0:48:24 | |
..don't drag everyone else down with you. | 0:48:26 | 0:48:28 | |
Now, if you'll excuse me. | 0:48:36 | 0:48:39 | |
Show yourself out. | 0:48:40 | 0:48:41 | |
Paul. Paul, please! | 0:52:21 | 0:52:23 | |
I want us to find out everything we can | 0:52:32 | 0:52:34 | |
about former Chief Superintendent Robert Owen. | 0:52:34 | 0:52:36 | |
OK? | 0:52:43 | 0:52:44 | |
And I mean everything. | 0:52:44 | 0:52:47 | |
What do you think you're doing? | 0:52:54 | 0:52:56 | |
My job, sir. | 0:52:56 | 0:52:57 | |
I asked you not to pursue the investigation. That was an order. | 0:52:58 | 0:53:01 | |
Iwan Thomas. | 0:53:05 | 0:53:06 | |
Hugh Vaughan. The children's home. | 0:53:06 | 0:53:08 | |
They're all connected. | 0:53:08 | 0:53:10 | |
-Iwan Thomas killed himself. -Did he? | 0:53:11 | 0:53:14 | |
I think he was on to something, sir, and he ended up dead because of it. | 0:53:14 | 0:53:18 | |
His death was investigated. | 0:53:18 | 0:53:20 | |
Like the abuses at the children's home were investigated? | 0:53:20 | 0:53:23 | |
Who's looking out for those kids, sir? | 0:53:25 | 0:53:27 | |
You? | 0:53:27 | 0:53:28 | |
I did what was asked of me. I followed orders. | 0:53:30 | 0:53:33 | |
Whose orders? Robert Owen? | 0:53:33 | 0:53:35 | |
We were trying to protect the Vaughans' reputation, | 0:53:39 | 0:53:41 | |
their good name. | 0:53:41 | 0:53:42 | |
If you'd have done your job properly, sir, | 0:53:42 | 0:53:44 | |
you'd have realised that those abuses continued | 0:53:44 | 0:53:46 | |
long after Hugh Vaughan's death. | 0:53:46 | 0:53:48 | |
Who said that? | 0:53:50 | 0:53:52 | |
Paul Webb. | 0:53:52 | 0:53:53 | |
Well, I'm not going to believe it then. | 0:53:57 | 0:53:59 | |
-Why would he lie? -To gain attention. That's how these people are. | 0:53:59 | 0:54:03 | |
-These people. -I gave you an order and you disobeyed it. | 0:54:03 | 0:54:06 | |
With all due respect, sir, you were wrong. | 0:54:06 | 0:54:08 | |
-I am your commanding officer... -Then act like it. Do something. | 0:54:08 | 0:54:11 | |
-You are suspended as of now. -You're in no position to make that call. | 0:54:11 | 0:54:15 | |
The children at Pontarfynach were abused. | 0:54:54 | 0:54:57 | |
Sexually abuse in a period between the late '80s | 0:54:58 | 0:55:00 | |
and the home's closure in 1996. | 0:55:00 | 0:55:02 | |
Now, we believe that this man, Hugh Vaughan, | 0:55:04 | 0:55:07 | |
a local GP who went missing in 1994... | 0:55:07 | 0:55:09 | |
..may have been one of the abusers. | 0:55:11 | 0:55:13 | |
But we don't think he was acting alone. | 0:55:13 | 0:55:15 | |
Hayden Blake. | 0:55:17 | 0:55:19 | |
Police surgeon. | 0:55:21 | 0:55:22 | |
He was a good friend to the GP. | 0:55:22 | 0:55:25 | |
He spent time with Vaughan at the children's home. | 0:55:25 | 0:55:28 | |
Robert Owen. | 0:55:31 | 0:55:33 | |
A former police superintendent. | 0:55:34 | 0:55:37 | |
He ran an outreach programme for juvenile offenders. | 0:55:37 | 0:55:40 | |
We know that he spent unsupervised regular time with the children | 0:55:41 | 0:55:45 | |
at Pontarfynach. | 0:55:45 | 0:55:46 | |
We think that these two men, Hayden Blake and Robert Owen, | 0:55:48 | 0:55:50 | |
may have had knowledge or played a part in what happened at the home. | 0:55:50 | 0:55:54 | |
And with the co-operation of someone in high authority, | 0:55:56 | 0:55:58 | |
we think that these men did all they could to stop any investigation | 0:55:58 | 0:56:02 | |
into the abuses at the home. | 0:56:02 | 0:56:04 | |
And we think that this somebody... | 0:56:06 | 0:56:08 | |
..is Chief Superintendent Brian Prosser. | 0:56:11 | 0:56:13 | |
Now, I realise this is hard for you. | 0:56:31 | 0:56:33 | |
And if you feel uncomfortable with any of this | 0:56:35 | 0:56:37 | |
or you don't want to play any further part in it... | 0:56:37 | 0:56:39 | |
..I'm giving you a chance to speak out now. | 0:56:41 | 0:56:43 | |
No. This is important. | 0:56:53 | 0:56:55 | |
Lloyd? | 0:57:00 | 0:57:01 | |
What do you need from us, sir? | 0:57:05 | 0:57:07 | |
Thanks. | 0:57:10 | 0:57:11 | |
We need to find out whether these men had any connection | 0:57:14 | 0:57:16 | |
to any other children's home in the area. | 0:57:16 | 0:57:18 | |
Yes, sir. | 0:57:18 | 0:57:20 | |
We need to check if any complaints or allegations have ever been made | 0:57:20 | 0:57:24 | |
against Hayden Blake, Robert Owen... | 0:57:24 | 0:57:27 | |
And Chief Superintendent Prosser. | 0:57:27 | 0:57:29 | |
OK. | 0:57:31 | 0:57:33 | |
This is hard. | 0:57:35 | 0:57:37 | |
But these children were let down | 0:57:40 | 0:57:42 | |
by a system that was meant to protect them. | 0:57:42 | 0:57:44 | |
And their lives were ruined. | 0:57:44 | 0:57:46 | |
And these abusers were allowed to get away with it. | 0:57:48 | 0:57:51 | |
Now, we have to stop this, right? | 0:57:53 | 0:57:55 | |
Paul's gone. He's been gone hours and he's not answering his phone. | 0:58:33 | 0:58:37 | |
Do you remember that morning you came around to the house to offer your resignation? | 0:58:37 | 0:58:41 | |
Do you know why I wouldn't accept it? Because you're good at this job. | 0:58:41 | 0:58:44 | |
The call was made from the home of Chief Superintendent Prosser. | 0:58:44 | 0:58:48 |