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-Well, say what you like about Bob Ruxton, but he never kept you waiting. -He was a good man. | 0:00:15 | 0:00:20 | |
Always had time for a chat... | 0:00:20 | 0:00:22 | |
Always bought a round... | 0:00:22 | 0:00:23 | |
The nights I've had on the hit and miss with him... | 0:00:23 | 0:00:25 | |
That kind of behaviour might account for his having been being suspended. | 0:00:25 | 0:00:29 | |
It's a hard thing for a man to be publicly pilloried, after a long and distinguished career... | 0:00:29 | 0:00:33 | |
He's not being pilloried Jack, he's facing charges of negligence and incompetence! | 0:00:33 | 0:00:38 | |
Nobody's perfect, Sandra. | 0:00:38 | 0:00:41 | |
-Superintendent Pullman. Shall we go through? -Thank you. | 0:00:41 | 0:00:44 | |
-So what have you got for us? -Back in 2001, | 0:00:45 | 0:00:48 | |
Dr Ruxton found that Bernard Fletcher's fatal injuries | 0:00:48 | 0:00:51 | |
were consistent with a fall at his work place - the Natural History Museum. | 0:00:51 | 0:00:55 | |
-The body was cremated, so I'm only working from the original postmortem report, the photos and x-rays. -Yep. | 0:00:55 | 0:01:02 | |
What we're looking at is a "struck hoop" pattern - | 0:01:02 | 0:01:05 | |
depression of the skull leading to fractures on the intruded and extruded areas. | 0:01:05 | 0:01:10 | |
To me, that would suggest a blow with a blunt instrument, | 0:01:10 | 0:01:14 | |
rather than a fall onto the kind of flat surfaces present at the scene. | 0:01:14 | 0:01:17 | |
Yeah, but he was a bit pissed? | 0:01:17 | 0:01:19 | |
He had 70 micrograms of alcohol per 100 millilitres of blood. | 0:01:19 | 0:01:24 | |
He'd show a loss of inhibitions and be well over the limit for driving. | 0:01:24 | 0:01:29 | |
But it's on the low side for an accident of this kind. | 0:01:29 | 0:01:32 | |
Are you saying that no-one's ever had that amount to drink and fallen down and received such injuries? | 0:01:32 | 0:01:37 | |
I'm saying it's more than likely he was hit on the head. | 0:01:37 | 0:01:41 | |
-Thank you. Thanks very much. -Thank you. | 0:01:41 | 0:01:45 | |
So, like a whole host of Ruxton's old cases, this one gets re-investigated. | 0:01:45 | 0:01:50 | |
I don't see why we're lumbered with it. It's effectively a new case. | 0:01:50 | 0:01:53 | |
There's close to 100 forensic examinations waiting to be re-looked at. | 0:01:53 | 0:01:57 | |
-Strickland's volunteered us to help out. -Politics. | 0:01:57 | 0:02:01 | |
-So, we going to have a look at the scene, then? -Mm-hm. | 0:02:01 | 0:02:03 | |
Oh, the Natural History Museum. Great. Haven't been there for years. | 0:02:03 | 0:02:07 | |
I'll fix up a meeting with the Keeper of Palaeontology, the head of Fletcher's old department. | 0:02:07 | 0:02:11 | |
Excuse my ignorance, but what does a Keeper of Palaeontology actually do? | 0:02:11 | 0:02:15 | |
Very important job. He's responsible for a world-class collection of fossils. | 0:02:15 | 0:02:20 | |
Just like me. | 0:02:20 | 0:02:21 | |
# It's all right, it's OK | 0:02:22 | 0:02:25 | |
# Doesn't really matter if you're old and grey | 0:02:25 | 0:02:28 | |
# It's all right, I say, it's OK | 0:02:28 | 0:02:30 | |
# Listen to what I say | 0:02:30 | 0:02:33 | |
# It's all right, doing fine | 0:02:33 | 0:02:36 | |
# Doesn't really matter if the sun don't shine | 0:02:36 | 0:02:39 | |
# It's all right, I say, it's OK | 0:02:39 | 0:02:41 | |
# We're gettin' to the end of the day. # | 0:02:41 | 0:02:45 | |
ROARING | 0:02:46 | 0:02:49 | |
CHILDREN LAUGH | 0:02:49 | 0:02:52 | |
ROARING | 0:02:52 | 0:02:55 | |
That is what I CALL a crime scene. | 0:02:57 | 0:02:59 | |
The victim's still alive. | 0:02:59 | 0:03:00 | |
Go on, hop in there and grab a statement! | 0:03:00 | 0:03:03 | |
-Yeah, go on, go on! -OK, listen up. | 0:03:03 | 0:03:06 | |
At the time of his death in 2001, | 0:03:06 | 0:03:07 | |
Bernard Fletcher was a Senior Palaeontologist at the Museum | 0:03:07 | 0:03:11 | |
and he was found by a porter, Barry Drake. | 0:03:11 | 0:03:13 | |
-What time was this? -8.00am. -Time of death? -A very good question, | 0:03:13 | 0:03:17 | |
Jack, because your old chum, Dr Negligence, put it between | 0:03:17 | 0:03:20 | |
midnight and 2.00am. But hey, it's now up for grabs. | 0:03:20 | 0:03:23 | |
It's still being investigated, Sandra. | 0:03:23 | 0:03:26 | |
Innocent until proven guilty. Remember? | 0:03:26 | 0:03:28 | |
Now, Fletcher was wearing evening clothes, right? | 0:03:28 | 0:03:31 | |
Yeah, that's because he'd attended a corporate jolly | 0:03:31 | 0:03:34 | |
the evening before he was found. | 0:03:34 | 0:03:35 | |
So, you can hire this place for a knees up? | 0:03:38 | 0:03:40 | |
It would cost you. The do in question was a dinner | 0:03:40 | 0:03:43 | |
given by the Mondial Fuel Corporation. | 0:03:43 | 0:03:46 | |
When was Fletcher last seen alive? | 0:03:46 | 0:03:48 | |
9.15. Apparently, he had a drop too many, had words with his colleagues | 0:03:48 | 0:03:52 | |
and marched off, saying he had work to do. | 0:03:52 | 0:03:54 | |
When did the bun fight finish? | 0:03:54 | 0:03:56 | |
10.30. So the original investigation, working on Ruxton's time of death, | 0:03:56 | 0:04:01 | |
assumed that everyone had left the premises at the time | 0:04:01 | 0:04:03 | |
he snuffed it, so only took perfunctory statements. | 0:04:03 | 0:04:06 | |
-Forensics? -Ah, they found no evidence of violence | 0:04:06 | 0:04:09 | |
at the scene and no sign that he'd been pushed from the walkway. | 0:04:09 | 0:04:12 | |
Anything that might have been a murder weapon? | 0:04:12 | 0:04:14 | |
-No. -Witnesses, other than the guests at the dinner? | 0:04:14 | 0:04:17 | |
Not to the actual death, of course, but there were two staff working in their offices, | 0:04:17 | 0:04:21 | |
a Marie Braden and Mark Slater, but they didn't see or hear anything. | 0:04:21 | 0:04:26 | |
We'll want to talk to them again. | 0:04:26 | 0:04:28 | |
There's also a widow, Diane Fletcher, so Gerry, you and Brian can talk to her. | 0:04:28 | 0:04:32 | |
-We'll catch you later. -Okey-dokey. | 0:04:32 | 0:04:34 | |
Detective Superintendent Pullman? | 0:04:38 | 0:04:39 | |
-Yes. And you must be Madeleine Simmonds. -Keeper of Palaeontology. | 0:04:39 | 0:04:43 | |
-This is my colleague, Jack Halford. -Morning. | 0:04:43 | 0:04:45 | |
I don't understand this investigation. | 0:04:45 | 0:04:47 | |
Bernard Fletcher died accidentally. It was put to rest ten years ago. | 0:04:47 | 0:04:51 | |
The coroner recorded an open verdict, based on a pathology report which has since been reviewed, | 0:04:51 | 0:04:56 | |
so now the case is open again. | 0:04:56 | 0:04:57 | |
Do you know, the last time I saw this, I was with my Dad. | 0:04:57 | 0:05:01 | |
Yes, most people only visit the Museum three times in their lives - | 0:05:01 | 0:05:06 | |
once with parents, once with children and once with grandchildren. | 0:05:06 | 0:05:10 | |
-We're constantly working to bring them back more often. -How long ago did this Diplodocus walk the Earth? | 0:05:10 | 0:05:16 | |
Strictly speaking, it never did. It's a copy, kindly given to us by our colleagues in the USA, in 1905. | 0:05:16 | 0:05:20 | |
I didn't know that! | 0:05:20 | 0:05:22 | |
So things aren't always as they seem in the museum business? | 0:05:22 | 0:05:27 | |
I believe you have some questions? | 0:05:28 | 0:05:30 | |
My husband died in an accident. | 0:05:30 | 0:05:33 | |
The whole business was quite traumatic enough at the time. It doesn't need raking over now. | 0:05:33 | 0:05:38 | |
Well, sadly Mrs Fletcher, things weren't done to a proper standard | 0:05:38 | 0:05:42 | |
back then and it's our job to do it more thoroughly. | 0:05:42 | 0:05:45 | |
Well, I suppose you'd better come in. | 0:05:45 | 0:05:47 | |
My late husband was a very experienced and dedicated palaeontologist. | 0:05:51 | 0:05:57 | |
His specialism was the study of fossil birds. | 0:05:57 | 0:06:01 | |
That must be really fascinating! | 0:06:01 | 0:06:03 | |
Well, it fascinated him. | 0:06:04 | 0:06:06 | |
But you weren't part of that world? | 0:06:06 | 0:06:08 | |
I was never really invited to take an interest. | 0:06:09 | 0:06:13 | |
Bernard lived for his work. | 0:06:13 | 0:06:16 | |
He spent long hours at the museum, he often worked at weekends. | 0:06:16 | 0:06:20 | |
I looked after the home and the children, when they were little, and then I went back to teaching. | 0:06:20 | 0:06:26 | |
He left us very well provided for. | 0:06:27 | 0:06:29 | |
That's nice. | 0:06:29 | 0:06:31 | |
-Did your husband mention any personal or professional problems in the time leading up to his death? -No. | 0:06:31 | 0:06:38 | |
Can you think of anyone that might have wanted to harm him? | 0:06:38 | 0:06:41 | |
Bernard was a man of strong views, he spoke his mind. | 0:06:41 | 0:06:45 | |
He was never inhibited about putting peoples' backs up. | 0:06:45 | 0:06:48 | |
But I'd be astonished if he provoked anyone to homicide. | 0:06:48 | 0:06:52 | |
What were these strong views about? | 0:06:52 | 0:06:54 | |
Bernard believed | 0:06:54 | 0:06:57 | |
that living creatures are members of an extended family. | 0:06:57 | 0:07:01 | |
Humans now dominate the ecosystem and they have to be responsible for its welfare. | 0:07:01 | 0:07:06 | |
He believed that industrial civilisation | 0:07:06 | 0:07:09 | |
was destroying the planet and he spoke out on the subject... | 0:07:09 | 0:07:12 | |
..somewhat incessantly. | 0:07:13 | 0:07:16 | |
The night your husband died, he'd been drinking. | 0:07:16 | 0:07:18 | |
Was he a regular heavy drinker? | 0:07:18 | 0:07:20 | |
He was by no means an alcoholic, but I thought he overdid it, on occasion. | 0:07:20 | 0:07:27 | |
My attitude didn't influence him. | 0:07:27 | 0:07:29 | |
That's been very helpful, Diane. Thanks very much. | 0:07:29 | 0:07:33 | |
We may have to talk to you again. | 0:07:33 | 0:07:35 | |
Really? Well, it will have to be soon. | 0:07:35 | 0:07:37 | |
I'm leaving the country next month. | 0:07:37 | 0:07:39 | |
-Holiday? -Mid-life gap year. | 0:07:39 | 0:07:42 | |
With my new partner. | 0:07:42 | 0:07:44 | |
I hope this business is settled before then. | 0:07:44 | 0:07:46 | |
The original investigation found out that Bernard had had some | 0:07:50 | 0:07:53 | |
argument with his colleagues shortly before his death. | 0:07:53 | 0:07:57 | |
-Can you tell us about that? -Oh, that was nothing out of the ordinary. | 0:07:57 | 0:08:00 | |
Bernard getting on his high horse after a few. | 0:08:00 | 0:08:02 | |
Did he get on his high horse about anything in particular? | 0:08:02 | 0:08:06 | |
Bernard and I were guests at the dinner. I was a curator at the time. | 0:08:06 | 0:08:10 | |
I was very keen to encourage Mondial Fuel to sponsor the refurbishment of one of our galleries, | 0:08:10 | 0:08:15 | |
which they subsequently did. | 0:08:15 | 0:08:17 | |
-Bernard thought, given the industry's environmental record, we shouldn't touch them. -How did your hosts feel? | 0:08:17 | 0:08:22 | |
Well, I hope they weren't aware of it. | 0:08:22 | 0:08:24 | |
It was a squabble between museum staff, a storm in a teacup. Honestly. | 0:08:24 | 0:08:28 | |
Two of your staff were working late that night... | 0:08:28 | 0:08:31 | |
Marie Braden and Mark Slater. Could you put us in contact with them? | 0:08:31 | 0:08:35 | |
Yes, Marie still works at the museum, | 0:08:35 | 0:08:37 | |
she has an office in the Darwin Centre. | 0:08:37 | 0:08:39 | |
Mark Slater is no longer with us, | 0:08:39 | 0:08:41 | |
he now works as a dealer in fossils. | 0:08:41 | 0:08:45 | |
I have his card here somewhere. | 0:08:45 | 0:08:46 | |
Does he supply fossils to the museum? | 0:08:46 | 0:08:48 | |
He has offered us some items. | 0:08:48 | 0:08:51 | |
But that's not the way we generally source our acquisitions. | 0:08:51 | 0:08:55 | |
I tell you what pisses me off, Jack, | 0:08:59 | 0:09:01 | |
I was writing the book on forensic pathology when some of these kids were doing their science O-levels. | 0:09:01 | 0:09:08 | |
I know, Bob. You were the best. | 0:09:08 | 0:09:10 | |
Now they're second-guessing my findings, ten years on. | 0:09:10 | 0:09:13 | |
You realise I can't discuss the case? | 0:09:13 | 0:09:16 | |
-Of course not. -Well, actually, I shouldn't be here talking to you at all, under the circumstances... | 0:09:18 | 0:09:23 | |
I'm not looking for any favours, Jack. | 0:09:23 | 0:09:26 | |
I know I was off the rails a bit, ten years back, | 0:09:26 | 0:09:31 | |
when I lost Sally. | 0:09:31 | 0:09:32 | |
You know how it is. | 0:09:34 | 0:09:36 | |
Oh, yes. | 0:09:36 | 0:09:38 | |
But that was private life, | 0:09:38 | 0:09:40 | |
I never let my professional standards slip. | 0:09:40 | 0:09:44 | |
I hear what you say, Bob. | 0:09:44 | 0:09:46 | |
Do you mind if I carry on with this while we talk? | 0:09:48 | 0:09:51 | |
No, please do. | 0:09:51 | 0:09:53 | |
What is it, exactly? | 0:09:53 | 0:09:54 | |
It's an archaeopteryx, | 0:09:54 | 0:09:56 | |
one of the earliest birds. | 0:09:56 | 0:09:58 | |
Or, from a another point of view, it's a feathered dinosaur. | 0:09:58 | 0:10:02 | |
Bernard Fletcher specialised in fossil birds, didn't he? | 0:10:02 | 0:10:04 | |
Yes. | 0:10:04 | 0:10:06 | |
You must have known him well? | 0:10:06 | 0:10:08 | |
He was my senior colleague, he supervised some of my work. | 0:10:08 | 0:10:11 | |
Were you on good terms with him...personally? | 0:10:11 | 0:10:14 | |
We had a good working relationship. | 0:10:14 | 0:10:16 | |
I respected him as a scientist. | 0:10:16 | 0:10:18 | |
You were working the night he died? | 0:10:18 | 0:10:20 | |
-Yes. -In this office? -No. This is the Darwin building, | 0:10:20 | 0:10:24 | |
it wasn't finished then. My office is in the museum basement. | 0:10:24 | 0:10:28 | |
And it said in your statement | 0:10:28 | 0:10:30 | |
-that you didn't see Bernard Fletcher that evening? -No, he was having dinner in the hall. | 0:10:30 | 0:10:35 | |
But when he left there he said he was going to do some work, so where was his office? | 0:10:35 | 0:10:40 | |
-That was in the basement also. -Near you? -Not really, | 0:10:40 | 0:10:43 | |
it's quite a big place. | 0:10:43 | 0:10:44 | |
According to your statement, | 0:10:44 | 0:10:46 | |
you said that you didn't see or hear anything out of the ordinary that evening. | 0:10:46 | 0:10:51 | |
-any second thoughts about that? -I'm really sorry, | 0:10:51 | 0:10:54 | |
I wish I could help you more. | 0:10:54 | 0:10:56 | |
What did you make of that? | 0:11:01 | 0:11:03 | |
A lady very dedicated to science. | 0:11:03 | 0:11:05 | |
All those questions and she could hardly bear | 0:11:05 | 0:11:08 | |
to tear herself away from her work to look us in the eyes. | 0:11:08 | 0:11:10 | |
Are you starting to believe there's a case to investigate? | 0:11:10 | 0:11:13 | |
Oh, I can believe that she could be covering something up about Fletcher. | 0:11:13 | 0:11:17 | |
But that doesn't mean that his death wasn't accidental. | 0:11:17 | 0:11:21 | |
-'Hello?' -Mr Slater? -'Yes.' | 0:11:25 | 0:11:27 | |
Gerry Standing and Brian Lane. from UCOS. We spoke on the phone. | 0:11:27 | 0:11:32 | |
'On my way.' | 0:11:32 | 0:11:33 | |
Thank you. | 0:11:33 | 0:11:35 | |
Not exactly Bond Street, is it? | 0:11:35 | 0:11:38 | |
Maybe he saves on rent. | 0:11:38 | 0:11:40 | |
Lives above the shop. | 0:11:40 | 0:11:43 | |
Come on inside. | 0:11:44 | 0:11:45 | |
-Thank you. -Thank you. | 0:11:45 | 0:11:47 | |
-Bloody Hell! -Gordon Bennett! | 0:11:59 | 0:12:03 | |
Look at this! | 0:12:04 | 0:12:05 | |
This is amazing. | 0:12:08 | 0:12:11 | |
-Cos I mean, from the outside... -It looks like a junk shop, I know. | 0:12:14 | 0:12:18 | |
-Good for security. -So you are anxious about security, then? | 0:12:18 | 0:12:21 | |
Well, you can't be too careful. | 0:12:21 | 0:12:23 | |
-No, no. Anyone else live up in the flat? -Not right now, no. | 0:12:23 | 0:12:28 | |
May I? | 0:12:28 | 0:12:29 | |
It's survived 360 million years, I don't suppose you'll do harm to it. | 0:12:29 | 0:12:33 | |
360 million?! | 0:12:33 | 0:12:35 | |
-Well, what is it? -It's a trilobite, | 0:12:35 | 0:12:37 | |
shuffled around on the ocean floor. Extinct before dinosaurs. | 0:12:37 | 0:12:40 | |
Hmm, £7.50. | 0:12:40 | 0:12:42 | |
750, actually. | 0:12:42 | 0:12:43 | |
What for a giant woodlouse? Bloody hell! | 0:12:46 | 0:12:48 | |
But this is like works of art. | 0:12:48 | 0:12:50 | |
That's why people want it. "fossil decor", it's big! | 0:12:50 | 0:12:55 | |
Now, if I wanted that on my wall, what would it put me back? | 0:12:55 | 0:12:58 | |
That's an ichthyosaur and I'm asking 250 grand. | 0:12:58 | 0:13:02 | |
Huh! Don't get me wrong, I love this stuff, | 0:13:02 | 0:13:05 | |
but who's spending that kind of money? | 0:13:05 | 0:13:08 | |
Film stars, supermodels, you'd be surprised. | 0:13:08 | 0:13:11 | |
That's individuals, | 0:13:11 | 0:13:12 | |
when you talk about the institutional market - | 0:13:12 | 0:13:14 | |
-museums, corporations and so on - the sky's the limit. -Go on? | 0:13:14 | 0:13:17 | |
A Tyrannosaurus rex was recovered and auctioned in the States a few years back, | 0:13:17 | 0:13:22 | |
knocked out at 8.4 million bucks. | 0:13:22 | 0:13:25 | |
And I was going to ask you why you left the Museum! Silly question, eh? | 0:13:26 | 0:13:30 | |
There's money to be made. | 0:13:30 | 0:13:32 | |
And I prefer prospecting the Atlas Mountains, or the Arizona Badlands, to being in a museum. | 0:13:32 | 0:13:37 | |
Not really an institutional kind of bloke. | 0:13:37 | 0:13:39 | |
But Bernard Fletcher WAS institutionally minded? | 0:13:39 | 0:13:42 | |
Bernard was very dedicated to the museum, yes. | 0:13:42 | 0:13:46 | |
You told the original investigation that the night he died, | 0:13:46 | 0:13:49 | |
you were working on your own and you didn't see anything out of the ordinary? | 0:13:49 | 0:13:52 | |
That's right. My office was in the basement. | 0:13:52 | 0:13:55 | |
Backstage, as we call it. | 0:13:55 | 0:13:57 | |
Bernard had his accident in the public area. | 0:13:57 | 0:14:00 | |
Well, what happened to Bernard and where is now under investigation. | 0:14:00 | 0:14:04 | |
-How well did you know him? -Bernard was a bird man, I specialise in dinosaurs. | 0:14:04 | 0:14:09 | |
Well, as you know, Mark, all living things are part of one family, is that not right? | 0:14:09 | 0:14:13 | |
Oh, we knew each other, | 0:14:13 | 0:14:14 | |
we'd meet at palaeontology seminars and staff meetings, | 0:14:14 | 0:14:17 | |
but that's as far as it went. | 0:14:17 | 0:14:19 | |
I wish I could tell you more. | 0:14:19 | 0:14:21 | |
Well, if we think you can, we'll be back. | 0:14:21 | 0:14:24 | |
Thanks very much. | 0:14:24 | 0:14:25 | |
Thanks very much. | 0:14:32 | 0:14:34 | |
I've got a fossil. | 0:14:35 | 0:14:37 | |
-Have you? -Yeah. | 0:14:37 | 0:14:39 | |
-What of? -I dunno really, my old man brought it back after the war. | 0:14:39 | 0:14:43 | |
Said he found it back East. | 0:14:43 | 0:14:44 | |
What's it look like? | 0:14:44 | 0:14:46 | |
Bit if old rock. | 0:14:46 | 0:14:48 | |
You never know, it might be of scientific interest. | 0:14:49 | 0:14:52 | |
I was thinking it might be worth a few quid. | 0:14:52 | 0:14:55 | |
I've been going through Fletcher's CV. | 0:14:56 | 0:14:59 | |
He didn't always work with bird fossils, | 0:14:59 | 0:15:02 | |
-he originally did a PhD on microfossils. -What are they? | 0:15:02 | 0:15:06 | |
Microfossils are either fossil micro-organisms, or microscopic parts of larger animals. | 0:15:06 | 0:15:13 | |
-And why is this interesting? -I have no idea. | 0:15:13 | 0:15:16 | |
I'll check them out at the museum. | 0:15:16 | 0:15:18 | |
OK. let's see what we've got. | 0:15:18 | 0:15:20 | |
What about the widow? | 0:15:21 | 0:15:22 | |
Well, she got over her grief, that's for sure. | 0:15:22 | 0:15:25 | |
If there ever was any. I've been looking into the probate records. | 0:15:25 | 0:15:29 | |
Fletcher's will left everything to the wife and kids, | 0:15:29 | 0:15:32 | |
-including a very handsome payout from a life insurance policy. -Really? | 0:15:32 | 0:15:36 | |
According to his phone bills, the most frequently dialled number | 0:15:36 | 0:15:40 | |
on his mobile, in the months before his death, was Marie Braden's. | 0:15:40 | 0:15:44 | |
She was his colleague and he supervised her work. | 0:15:44 | 0:15:46 | |
True, but he never once called her from his home land-line, | 0:15:46 | 0:15:49 | |
which may or may not be significant. | 0:15:49 | 0:15:52 | |
What about issues at work? | 0:15:52 | 0:15:54 | |
Fletcher got up Madeleine Simmonds' nose by slagging off the oil company whose money she was after. | 0:15:54 | 0:16:00 | |
Doesn't seem enough to motivate murder. | 0:16:00 | 0:16:03 | |
No, not on its own. | 0:16:03 | 0:16:04 | |
Quite frankly, there's nothing here that suggests to me that Bob Ruxton didn't get it right. | 0:16:04 | 0:16:09 | |
Your man had a drop too much, fell down and banged his head. | 0:16:09 | 0:16:12 | |
You've made your position clear, Jack. | 0:16:12 | 0:16:14 | |
If we're looking for a motive, | 0:16:14 | 0:16:16 | |
-there is shedloads of money in the fossil business. -Really? | 0:16:16 | 0:16:20 | |
From what we saw at Slater's place, the museum's collection must be worth billions. | 0:16:20 | 0:16:26 | |
What if he happened upon a scam - | 0:16:26 | 0:16:28 | |
-somebody smuggling stuff out of the museum to flog off? -What if he was in one? | 0:16:28 | 0:16:32 | |
Wait a minute, it's easy to speculate on possible scams, | 0:16:32 | 0:16:35 | |
but the question we have to ask ourselves is, | 0:16:35 | 0:16:39 | |
did anything go missing from the museum in the period before Fletcher's death? | 0:16:39 | 0:16:45 | |
Right, well, we've got plenty of scenarios. | 0:16:45 | 0:16:47 | |
Tomorrow, let's see if we can stand any of them up. | 0:16:47 | 0:16:50 | |
There's nothing in here remotely like a fossil, | 0:16:52 | 0:16:55 | |
unless you count this salami. | 0:16:55 | 0:16:57 | |
Have you had any luck? | 0:16:59 | 0:17:01 | |
Not for a very long time. | 0:17:02 | 0:17:04 | |
These corridors seem endless. | 0:17:08 | 0:17:10 | |
I've spent my working life in this museum, and there are parts I've never even visited. | 0:17:10 | 0:17:14 | |
The basement is our storage area. | 0:17:14 | 0:17:16 | |
I wanted you to get a sense | 0:17:16 | 0:17:17 | |
of what's involved when you ask whether anything is missing. | 0:17:17 | 0:17:20 | |
Yes, I understand that there are lots of items here. | 0:17:20 | 0:17:24 | |
-80 million. -80 million?! -Give or take the odd hundred thousand or so, nobody's really sure. | 0:17:24 | 0:17:28 | |
So the question of whether anything is missing is really rather metaphysical. | 0:17:28 | 0:17:33 | |
Point taken. | 0:17:33 | 0:17:34 | |
Let's restrict ourselves to Bernard Fletcher, Mark Slater and Marie Braden. | 0:17:34 | 0:17:38 | |
I'm sure it's possible to check out what they were working on. | 0:17:38 | 0:17:41 | |
It would be a time-consuming diversion | 0:17:41 | 0:17:43 | |
from the museum's PROPER functions. | 0:17:43 | 0:17:45 | |
Yes, but do it anyway, please. | 0:17:45 | 0:17:47 | |
'Scuse me, would you be Barry, by any chance? | 0:17:57 | 0:18:00 | |
That's right, who's asking? | 0:18:00 | 0:18:02 | |
Brian Lane and Gerry Standing. | 0:18:02 | 0:18:03 | |
-We're investigators with the Metropolitan Police. -Oh, yeah? | 0:18:03 | 0:18:07 | |
Yeah, we're investigating the death of Bernard Fletcher. | 0:18:07 | 0:18:10 | |
Now, according to our records, you found the body. | 0:18:10 | 0:18:13 | |
That's right. | 0:18:13 | 0:18:15 | |
You gave a full statement to the original inquiry. | 0:18:15 | 0:18:18 | |
You said you found the body at 8am, checked for signs of life, | 0:18:18 | 0:18:22 | |
-immediately called security, and then the police arrived. -Yeah. | 0:18:22 | 0:18:27 | |
Is there anything you want to add? You know, looking back? | 0:18:27 | 0:18:30 | |
No, not really. | 0:18:32 | 0:18:35 | |
Poor old Bernard. | 0:18:35 | 0:18:36 | |
Oh, you knew him, then? I mean, more than just a regular face? | 0:18:37 | 0:18:41 | |
Allow me. | 0:18:45 | 0:18:47 | |
What's this all about, Jack? | 0:19:17 | 0:19:19 | |
Something here might interest you. | 0:19:19 | 0:19:21 | |
I've been checking those microfossils that Fletcher used to study. | 0:19:21 | 0:19:25 | |
I tell you one thing, you need a powerful microscope to see them at all. | 0:19:25 | 0:19:29 | |
This is what you get using an electron microscope. | 0:19:29 | 0:19:31 | |
-And? -Well, if you find certain microfossils, | 0:19:33 | 0:19:35 | |
and they show signs of deformation through heating, | 0:19:35 | 0:19:38 | |
it's a good indication of gas and oil deposits. | 0:19:38 | 0:19:41 | |
-Which gives us a whole new line of inquiry. -Mondial Fuel. | 0:19:41 | 0:19:45 | |
Worth pursuing though, isn't it? | 0:19:45 | 0:19:47 | |
Oh, I don't know. | 0:19:47 | 0:19:48 | |
Probably turn out that he just had one too many and fell on his head, eh, Jack? | 0:19:48 | 0:19:53 | |
There may be certain things in this case that need investigation. | 0:19:53 | 0:19:56 | |
But that still doesn't make it murder. | 0:19:56 | 0:19:58 | |
You spend all day fetching and carrying, and pushing a trolley, it makes you invisible. | 0:20:02 | 0:20:07 | |
They get so used to you popping in and out, they carry on as if you're not there. | 0:20:07 | 0:20:11 | |
So you know more of what goes on than they realise? | 0:20:11 | 0:20:14 | |
Who's fallen out, | 0:20:14 | 0:20:15 | |
who's pissed off cos someone else got the promotion, | 0:20:15 | 0:20:19 | |
who's at it with who. | 0:20:19 | 0:20:20 | |
Who's kipping in the basement cos they got kicked out by their other half! | 0:20:20 | 0:20:24 | |
So what do you know about Bernard Fletcher? | 0:20:24 | 0:20:27 | |
Well, I'm not that surprised you've re-opened the investigation. | 0:20:27 | 0:20:32 | |
At the time, I thought, "Hello, old Doc Fletcher's sins have found him out!" | 0:20:32 | 0:20:37 | |
What are you saying? | 0:20:37 | 0:20:38 | |
Well, I thought a jealous husband's caught up with him, and shoved him off the walkway. | 0:20:38 | 0:20:42 | |
Then they said it was an accident. | 0:20:42 | 0:20:44 | |
Who did you have in mind? | 0:20:44 | 0:20:46 | |
That would have been the problem, narrowing down the field! | 0:20:46 | 0:20:49 | |
So old Bernard was a bit of a bonking man, was he? | 0:20:49 | 0:20:52 | |
Dr Fletcher? | 0:20:52 | 0:20:53 | |
He was an artist. And he could pick 'em. | 0:20:53 | 0:20:56 | |
How do you mean? | 0:20:56 | 0:20:58 | |
Well, he went with visiting scholars, | 0:20:58 | 0:21:00 | |
staff on secondment from other museums, research students. | 0:21:00 | 0:21:05 | |
What I'm saying is, he always made sure there was a built-in get out. | 0:21:05 | 0:21:10 | |
They'd automatically move on elsewhere, so things didn't get sticky when the magic wore off. | 0:21:10 | 0:21:15 | |
Wish I'd thought of that one. | 0:21:15 | 0:21:16 | |
But there are none of Dr Fletcher's ex-girlfriends still at the museum? | 0:21:16 | 0:21:22 | |
Well... | 0:21:22 | 0:21:25 | |
Come on, Barry, don't keep us in suspense. | 0:21:25 | 0:21:27 | |
Well, it's one thing talking about Doc Fletcher. | 0:21:27 | 0:21:31 | |
I don't want to make trouble for someone who's got their life to get on with. | 0:21:31 | 0:21:34 | |
Oh, come on, we're not going to go to the tabloids with this. | 0:21:34 | 0:21:37 | |
The only people we'll share with are those who need to know. | 0:21:37 | 0:21:40 | |
Mm, well... | 0:21:42 | 0:21:43 | |
And we are still buying the beer. | 0:21:44 | 0:21:46 | |
Well, don't go giving Dr Braden a bad time. | 0:21:48 | 0:21:53 | |
She's a nice woman, you can't say that about everybody round here. | 0:21:53 | 0:21:57 | |
Marie Braden? She's married with kids. | 0:21:57 | 0:21:59 | |
She wasn't then. She was fancy free. | 0:21:59 | 0:22:01 | |
After she gave Mark Slater the old heave-ho. | 0:22:01 | 0:22:03 | |
Marie and Slater were an item? | 0:22:03 | 0:22:06 | |
Yeah, but she give him the boot, sensible woman. | 0:22:06 | 0:22:10 | |
So Fletcher had a connection with the oil industry? | 0:22:11 | 0:22:15 | |
The museum does a lot of consultancy work with oil and gas companies, | 0:22:15 | 0:22:18 | |
Bernard might have been involved in his early days. Before my time. | 0:22:18 | 0:22:21 | |
Maybe with Mondial Fuel? | 0:22:21 | 0:22:23 | |
I've no idea. By the time I knew Bernard he'd switched to avian palaeontology. | 0:22:23 | 0:22:27 | |
Because he didn't like what the oil industry is doing to the planet? | 0:22:27 | 0:22:30 | |
That's a reasonable assumption. | 0:22:30 | 0:22:32 | |
Wotcha! We got a result on Fletcher's love life. | 0:22:34 | 0:22:37 | |
He was at it with Marie Braden. | 0:22:37 | 0:22:39 | |
That's progress! | 0:22:39 | 0:22:40 | |
Not just a casual naughty. A serious affair. | 0:22:40 | 0:22:43 | |
And not only that, she and Slater used to be an item! | 0:22:43 | 0:22:46 | |
I'm going to have to get her in for an interview. | 0:22:46 | 0:22:49 | |
-Coffee, Gerry? -Yeah I will, thanks, I'll just mark up the board. | 0:22:49 | 0:22:53 | |
What's that? | 0:22:53 | 0:22:55 | |
A whole new line of inquiry. | 0:22:55 | 0:22:56 | |
The original investigation team didn't pay much attention to the formal dinner, | 0:22:56 | 0:23:01 | |
because Dr Ruxton had told them Fletcher died after all the guests had gone home. | 0:23:01 | 0:23:05 | |
We're now told, of course, he could have died earlier. | 0:23:05 | 0:23:08 | |
But most importantly, we now know that Fletcher's earlier work was connected with oil exploration. | 0:23:08 | 0:23:14 | |
What's the SP on the corporate jolly? | 0:23:14 | 0:23:17 | |
Oh, that was organised by a Sarah Knowles | 0:23:17 | 0:23:19 | |
who was the Personal Assistant of Mondial Fuel's then Director of European Operations, James Winslow. | 0:23:19 | 0:23:26 | |
Better get this Sarah Knowles in and all, then. | 0:23:26 | 0:23:28 | |
Yes, well she's not Sarah Knowles any more. | 0:23:28 | 0:23:31 | |
In 2002 James Winslow divorced his wife and married her. | 0:23:31 | 0:23:35 | |
Bloody hell. | 0:23:35 | 0:23:37 | |
Yeah, I could be comfortable here. | 0:23:37 | 0:23:40 | |
It'd cost you. | 0:23:40 | 0:23:42 | |
It last changed hands for £7.5 million. | 0:23:42 | 0:23:46 | |
At least I'd have room for my bits and pieces. | 0:23:46 | 0:23:49 | |
Ammonites! | 0:24:00 | 0:24:02 | |
Ah, fantastic. | 0:24:02 | 0:24:04 | |
Are you a collector? | 0:24:04 | 0:24:06 | |
No, no, I've only recently taken an interest, after seeing Mark Slater's shop. | 0:24:06 | 0:24:12 | |
Have you done business with him? | 0:24:12 | 0:24:14 | |
Er, yes, yes, he's one of the dealers we've used. | 0:24:14 | 0:24:16 | |
He used to work in the museum, you know? | 0:24:16 | 0:24:18 | |
Uh-huh. | 0:24:18 | 0:24:20 | |
You want to talk about the night of the dinner, right? | 0:24:20 | 0:24:23 | |
Yes. | 0:24:23 | 0:24:24 | |
Sit down, please. | 0:24:24 | 0:24:26 | |
Thank you. | 0:24:26 | 0:24:27 | |
Oh. Would you like a drink? | 0:24:27 | 0:24:29 | |
No, it's a bit early in the day for me. | 0:24:29 | 0:24:32 | |
And I don't, thank you. | 0:24:32 | 0:24:35 | |
You gave a statement to the original investigators saying | 0:24:35 | 0:24:38 | |
-you didn't notice anything out of the ordinary on the night. -That's right. | 0:24:38 | 0:24:42 | |
Would you like to add anything to that? | 0:24:42 | 0:24:44 | |
No. | 0:24:44 | 0:24:45 | |
Did you know Bernard Fletcher? | 0:24:45 | 0:24:48 | |
We were introduced the night of the dinner. | 0:24:48 | 0:24:51 | |
But we weren't sitting near him, so we didn't converse. | 0:24:51 | 0:24:53 | |
Were you aware of an argument between him and his colleagues? | 0:24:53 | 0:24:58 | |
No, sorry. | 0:24:58 | 0:25:01 | |
This is a little bit personal, I'm afraid, but James Winslow | 0:25:01 | 0:25:06 | |
divorced his first wife and married you within a year or so of that dinner. | 0:25:06 | 0:25:11 | |
Now, may I ask, were you in a relationship at that time? | 0:25:11 | 0:25:15 | |
Sure. | 0:25:15 | 0:25:16 | |
He was shagging the hired help. | 0:25:16 | 0:25:18 | |
Bit of a cliche, but that's life, don't you find? | 0:25:18 | 0:25:24 | |
Then when you married James you gave up being a PA? | 0:25:24 | 0:25:27 | |
Well, we're not short of the odd bob. | 0:25:27 | 0:25:30 | |
And once or twice a year, | 0:25:30 | 0:25:32 | |
I work as a tour manager on long-haul holidays. | 0:25:32 | 0:25:35 | |
Where to? | 0:25:35 | 0:25:37 | |
Vietnam, China. | 0:25:37 | 0:25:39 | |
So after a bit of a jet-set life, | 0:25:39 | 0:25:41 | |
you still find ways to keep yourself amused? | 0:25:41 | 0:25:44 | |
Amused? | 0:25:44 | 0:25:46 | |
Yeah, | 0:25:46 | 0:25:48 | |
frequently I'm in hysterics. | 0:25:48 | 0:25:50 | |
Thank you very much. | 0:25:53 | 0:25:54 | |
I get the impression she's not living happily ever after. | 0:25:56 | 0:25:59 | |
I tell you what, I know a desperate housewife when I see one. | 0:25:59 | 0:26:02 | |
She is well up for it! | 0:26:02 | 0:26:04 | |
I bow to your expertise, Gerry. | 0:26:07 | 0:26:10 | |
-This is James Winslow. -Thank you. | 0:26:25 | 0:26:27 | |
-Hello there. -Hello. Sandra Pullman. | 0:26:27 | 0:26:30 | |
Very good to meet you. | 0:26:30 | 0:26:31 | |
-And this is Jack Halford. -Hello. | 0:26:31 | 0:26:33 | |
-How do you do? Do sit down. -Thank you. | 0:26:33 | 0:26:36 | |
As you know, we're reinvestigating the death of Dr Bernard Fletcher. | 0:26:39 | 0:26:43 | |
Yes. I don't think I can help you much. | 0:26:43 | 0:26:46 | |
I only met Dr Fletcher the night before his body was found. | 0:26:46 | 0:26:51 | |
Sadly I never got a chance to do more than exchange greetings with him. | 0:26:51 | 0:26:55 | |
Were you aware of Dr Fletcher's hostile attitude to the oil industry? | 0:26:55 | 0:26:58 | |
We have no quarrel with critics who stay within the parameters of the law. | 0:26:58 | 0:27:03 | |
But...that's not strictly my department. | 0:27:03 | 0:27:08 | |
Samantha, could you ask Michael to join us? | 0:27:08 | 0:27:11 | |
Our head of security's the man to talk to. | 0:27:11 | 0:27:13 | |
Oh, OK, thank you. | 0:27:13 | 0:27:15 | |
Michael Ratcliffe. | 0:27:17 | 0:27:19 | |
Detective Superintendent Pullman, | 0:27:19 | 0:27:21 | |
and Jack Halford, from UCOS. | 0:27:21 | 0:27:22 | |
I don't think our paths ever crossed, in the job. I was in Diplomatic Protection. | 0:27:22 | 0:27:27 | |
Oh, I've always been a bit nervous around firearms. | 0:27:27 | 0:27:30 | |
I wasn't nervous enough. | 0:27:30 | 0:27:32 | |
Please. | 0:27:32 | 0:27:34 | |
Michael, Dr Bernard Fletcher. | 0:27:35 | 0:27:39 | |
Died at the Natural History Museum? | 0:27:39 | 0:27:42 | |
That's right. | 0:27:42 | 0:27:43 | |
Were you at the dinner that evening, Mr Ratcliffe? | 0:27:43 | 0:27:46 | |
No. Not high enough on the food chain! | 0:27:46 | 0:27:48 | |
Michael, did Dr Fletcher ever appear on our radar | 0:27:48 | 0:27:52 | |
as a security threat, subversive, or such like? | 0:27:52 | 0:27:56 | |
Not in my time. | 0:27:56 | 0:27:57 | |
Dr Fletcher's career | 0:27:57 | 0:27:59 | |
began in the study of microfossils. | 0:27:59 | 0:28:01 | |
That's highly significant for the oil industry, I believe? | 0:28:01 | 0:28:05 | |
Certainly. | 0:28:05 | 0:28:06 | |
Did he ever work for you as a consultant? | 0:28:06 | 0:28:10 | |
Not that we're aware of. | 0:28:11 | 0:28:13 | |
We'd check that in your records. | 0:28:13 | 0:28:15 | |
By all means. Michael, can you facilitate that? | 0:28:15 | 0:28:18 | |
Certainly. As long as you don't mind spending some time wading through our archives. | 0:28:18 | 0:28:22 | |
No record of Fletcher working for Mondial Fuel, | 0:28:22 | 0:28:25 | |
so the connection to the oil industry looks like a dead end. | 0:28:25 | 0:28:28 | |
I'm not so sure. | 0:28:28 | 0:28:30 | |
-I wouldn't trust that lot as far as I could throw them. -No. | 0:28:30 | 0:28:33 | |
Now, listen, this may not have anything to do with the oil industry, as such, | 0:28:33 | 0:28:37 | |
but there is a connection. | 0:28:37 | 0:28:38 | |
Sarah Winslow is a customer of Slater's fossil business. | 0:28:38 | 0:28:43 | |
May mean something, may not. | 0:28:43 | 0:28:44 | |
And maybe not just a customer. | 0:28:44 | 0:28:47 | |
We've been talking to the Art and Antiques Squad. | 0:28:47 | 0:28:49 | |
They've got criminal intelligence on Slater. | 0:28:49 | 0:28:53 | |
He was deported from China in 1998. | 0:28:53 | 0:28:56 | |
When he was still at the museum? | 0:28:56 | 0:28:58 | |
Mmm-hmm. | 0:28:58 | 0:28:59 | |
The Chinese accused him of trying to export fossil dinosaur eggs without a licence. | 0:28:59 | 0:29:04 | |
Bit of a diplomatic incident. | 0:29:04 | 0:29:07 | |
The museum chose to believe Slater, | 0:29:07 | 0:29:09 | |
but Art and Antiques reckons he's been in to some dodgy deals since. | 0:29:09 | 0:29:14 | |
Slater gets slung out of China | 0:29:14 | 0:29:15 | |
and now Sarah leads upmarket tour parties there. | 0:29:15 | 0:29:20 | |
China's one of the great fossil sources, | 0:29:20 | 0:29:22 | |
all those alluvial rivers, | 0:29:22 | 0:29:25 | |
flooding over millions of years and burying all kinds of creatures. | 0:29:25 | 0:29:29 | |
Over time this turns to stone, | 0:29:29 | 0:29:32 | |
and produces these beautifully-preserved specimens. | 0:29:32 | 0:29:36 | |
So? Bernard called me, talking's not a crime, is it? | 0:29:47 | 0:29:51 | |
No-one's accusing you of a crime, Marie. | 0:29:51 | 0:29:54 | |
But you have been misleading us, haven't you? | 0:29:54 | 0:29:56 | |
We have information that you and Bernard Fletcher | 0:29:56 | 0:30:01 | |
were in a relationship at the time of Fletcher's death. | 0:30:01 | 0:30:04 | |
Now, we want to get an honest answer from you. | 0:30:04 | 0:30:07 | |
But if we're not satisfied, then we have to try to confirm | 0:30:07 | 0:30:10 | |
or disprove the story by talking to more people. | 0:30:10 | 0:30:13 | |
I have a husband, children. I'm in another life now! | 0:30:13 | 0:30:16 | |
All the more reason why we should get the truth from you, without spreading the net wider. | 0:30:16 | 0:30:22 | |
I suppose you got all this from that creepy porter, Barry. | 0:30:22 | 0:30:26 | |
I told Bernard it was a mistake giving him drinks and tips and Christmas boxes. | 0:30:26 | 0:30:31 | |
So you and Bernard WERE lovers? | 0:30:31 | 0:30:33 | |
Yes. | 0:30:34 | 0:30:35 | |
Was it serious? | 0:30:35 | 0:30:37 | |
Perfectly serious. | 0:30:37 | 0:30:39 | |
I wasn't the Palaeontology Department bicycle! | 0:30:39 | 0:30:42 | |
But Bernard is a married man, with children. | 0:30:42 | 0:30:45 | |
Bernard and I had planned a future together. | 0:30:45 | 0:30:48 | |
He'd told his wife he wanted a divorce. | 0:30:48 | 0:30:51 | |
Well, thank you for being honest with us, Marie. | 0:30:51 | 0:30:54 | |
You must have been terribly distressed by Bernard's death. | 0:30:57 | 0:31:02 | |
Of course. | 0:31:02 | 0:31:04 | |
So you'll understand how important it is | 0:31:04 | 0:31:06 | |
for us to know the true circumstances of it. | 0:31:06 | 0:31:08 | |
When did you last see him alive? | 0:31:08 | 0:31:10 | |
It was the night he died. | 0:31:10 | 0:31:13 | |
He came to see me after he walked out of the dinner. | 0:31:13 | 0:31:15 | |
This was in your office, in the basement? | 0:31:15 | 0:31:17 | |
Yes. | 0:31:17 | 0:31:18 | |
We know he'd been drinking. Was he badly affected by it? | 0:31:18 | 0:31:22 | |
He was a little flamboyant... | 0:31:23 | 0:31:26 | |
..but he was making perfect sense. | 0:31:28 | 0:31:29 | |
Telling me how disgusted he was there were people in the museum | 0:31:29 | 0:31:32 | |
willing to sell out to those shits in the oil business. | 0:31:32 | 0:31:35 | |
I had heard it all before. | 0:31:35 | 0:31:37 | |
What this means, Marie, | 0:31:37 | 0:31:39 | |
is that you were the last known person to see him alive. | 0:31:39 | 0:31:43 | |
No, Carol. | 0:31:46 | 0:31:47 | |
That thing in the cardboard box | 0:31:47 | 0:31:49 | |
is an SU downdraught carburettor, but that's not what I'm looking for. | 0:31:49 | 0:31:55 | |
No, you can't chuck it away. It could be reconditioned. | 0:31:56 | 0:32:00 | |
Yes, yes, all right, I'll pick it all up when I've got somewhere to store it, all right. | 0:32:02 | 0:32:06 | |
Now listen. | 0:32:08 | 0:32:09 | |
Listen! | 0:32:09 | 0:32:12 | |
What I'm looking for is a fossil. | 0:32:12 | 0:32:14 | |
DIALLING TONE | 0:32:15 | 0:32:17 | |
You had a history with Mark Slater, didn't you? | 0:32:22 | 0:32:25 | |
Oh... | 0:32:25 | 0:32:27 | |
Look, Mark and I went out on a couple of dates. | 0:32:27 | 0:32:29 | |
I like the guy, but there was never any future in it. | 0:32:29 | 0:32:33 | |
He was too much of a chancer. | 0:32:33 | 0:32:35 | |
And Mark was working in the museum basement, the night you had your last encounter with Fletcher? | 0:32:37 | 0:32:43 | |
Yes. | 0:32:44 | 0:32:47 | |
Turns out Sarah's a Cambridge graduate. | 0:32:47 | 0:32:50 | |
Posh totty. You'd expect it, wouldn't you? | 0:32:50 | 0:32:53 | |
She was reading sinology. | 0:32:53 | 0:32:56 | |
You're kidding? | 0:32:56 | 0:32:57 | |
I could have asked her why mine gets so blocked up. | 0:32:57 | 0:33:00 | |
Sinology is the study of the people and language of China. | 0:33:00 | 0:33:04 | |
Oh. | 0:33:04 | 0:33:06 | |
She was at the same college, at the same time, as Mark Slater. | 0:33:06 | 0:33:10 | |
Can't stay clear of each other, can they? | 0:33:10 | 0:33:13 | |
Oh, have a look. | 0:33:13 | 0:33:15 | |
Sarah Winslow was done for being an hour over the limit, | 0:33:15 | 0:33:19 | |
in a parking bay opposite Mark Slater's shop. | 0:33:19 | 0:33:21 | |
Maybe he had some fresh trilobites in. | 0:33:21 | 0:33:24 | |
Look at that, three points for speeding, two streets away, | 0:33:24 | 0:33:29 | |
at 11.30 at night. | 0:33:29 | 0:33:31 | |
There's definitely something going on between Sarah Winslow and Slater. | 0:33:33 | 0:33:37 | |
-He's giving her one. -That's not a crime, is it? | 0:33:37 | 0:33:39 | |
No, but they go back a long way, to university. | 0:33:39 | 0:33:42 | |
They knew each other when Fletcher was killed. | 0:33:42 | 0:33:44 | |
Keep an eye on Slater and then you and I will give Diane Fletcher a pull in the morning, Jack. | 0:33:44 | 0:33:48 | |
Maybe she's been painting us a picture. | 0:33:48 | 0:33:51 | |
We're not going to get anything tonight. | 0:34:00 | 0:34:03 | |
What you looking at? Her car's not on the plot, is it? | 0:34:03 | 0:34:06 | |
No, no. See if you can get me a trace on this licence. | 0:34:06 | 0:34:11 | |
GN54 WXP. | 0:34:11 | 0:34:14 | |
Yeah, all right. Why? | 0:34:14 | 0:34:17 | |
Cos that car's been here longer than we have, | 0:34:17 | 0:34:19 | |
and there's been a bloke behind the wheel all that time. | 0:34:19 | 0:34:22 | |
Shouldn't we go and have a chat? | 0:34:22 | 0:34:24 | |
It's tricky, isn't it? | 0:34:24 | 0:34:26 | |
Probably best to not let on we've clocked him. | 0:34:26 | 0:34:30 | |
Too late, anyway. He's off. | 0:34:30 | 0:34:32 | |
You didn't tell us, or the previous investigation, | 0:34:42 | 0:34:45 | |
that your husband was seeking a divorce. | 0:34:45 | 0:34:47 | |
Well, he didn't need one in the end, did he? | 0:34:47 | 0:34:51 | |
Everything seemed perfectly straightforward, | 0:34:51 | 0:34:54 | |
I saw no point confusing the issue. | 0:34:54 | 0:34:56 | |
If you and your husband had divorced, you'd be a far worse off now. | 0:34:56 | 0:35:00 | |
He died at a very convenient time. | 0:35:00 | 0:35:03 | |
The night my husband died, I was wardrobe mistress at my daughter's school production of The Tempest. | 0:35:03 | 0:35:10 | |
How many witnesses would you like? | 0:35:10 | 0:35:11 | |
-There was a lot of money at stake. You could have hired someone. -Oh, this is nonsense. | 0:35:11 | 0:35:17 | |
Look, I can perfectly well believe Bernard falling over when he was pissed, | 0:35:17 | 0:35:22 | |
but if you must find someone to blame, | 0:35:22 | 0:35:25 | |
-how about the man he was trying to get sacked? -Who? | 0:35:25 | 0:35:28 | |
Mark Slater. | 0:35:28 | 0:35:31 | |
Bernard was convinced Slater was moonlighting as a fossil dealer while he was working at the museum. | 0:35:31 | 0:35:36 | |
He was on his case, and when Bernard was on your case, | 0:35:36 | 0:35:40 | |
you were in trouble. | 0:35:40 | 0:35:41 | |
Ratcliffe - what's he been up to? | 0:35:44 | 0:35:46 | |
A vehicle registered to Michael Ratcliffe was keeping surveillance last night outside Slater's place. | 0:35:46 | 0:35:51 | |
I always thought Mondial Fuel were tied up with this! | 0:35:51 | 0:35:54 | |
Actually, you didn't always think there was a crime! | 0:35:54 | 0:35:57 | |
After a long and distinguished career a man is entitled to get things arse about face. | 0:35:57 | 0:36:01 | |
This isn't about business. | 0:36:01 | 0:36:04 | |
Slater and Sarah are at it. | 0:36:04 | 0:36:05 | |
Ratcliffe was getting evidence for his guv'nor! | 0:36:05 | 0:36:08 | |
There's more to it than that. | 0:36:08 | 0:36:09 | |
PHONE RINGS | 0:36:09 | 0:36:10 | |
UCOS. Brian Lane speaking. | 0:36:10 | 0:36:13 | |
Diane Fletcher says that her old man wanted to get Slater the sack. | 0:36:13 | 0:36:17 | |
Madeleine Simmonds. Wants you at the museum. Urgently. | 0:36:17 | 0:36:21 | |
I would be very grateful if you didn't touch any of these particular items. | 0:36:25 | 0:36:30 | |
I was very concerned, which is why I called you. | 0:36:30 | 0:36:32 | |
-We were checking on the items as you asked. -Something's missing? | 0:36:32 | 0:36:36 | |
No, but the labelling has been interfered with. You see this? | 0:36:36 | 0:36:39 | |
-Yes. -This isn't the real 7531. It's from a different specimen altogether. | 0:36:39 | 0:36:43 | |
There are distinct morphological peculiarities. | 0:36:43 | 0:36:46 | |
We believe you, but what is the significance? | 0:36:46 | 0:36:48 | |
Well, if we can't relate items to their specimen, chaos breaks out! | 0:36:48 | 0:36:52 | |
Hang on. Who was handling the item with this label at the time of Fletcher's death? | 0:36:52 | 0:36:56 | |
Bernard himself. It's the tibia of a Dinornis. | 0:36:56 | 0:36:59 | |
An extinct, giant bird. | 0:36:59 | 0:37:02 | |
This is the real 7531. They've been switched! | 0:37:02 | 0:37:04 | |
That would have been in Fletcher's office, would it? | 0:37:04 | 0:37:07 | |
-Yes. -You could certainly give someone a hefty blow with that. | 0:37:07 | 0:37:11 | |
Maybe we've just ticked the box for method. We'll have to send it off for forensic analysis. | 0:37:11 | 0:37:15 | |
This is all very unfortunate. | 0:37:15 | 0:37:17 | |
I don't know. It's cheered me up no end. | 0:37:17 | 0:37:20 | |
If you're looking for Mark, you've missed him. | 0:37:26 | 0:37:28 | |
Is that right? | 0:37:28 | 0:37:29 | |
Left in a bit of a hurry this morning. | 0:37:29 | 0:37:32 | |
You don't happen to know where's he's gone, do you? | 0:37:32 | 0:37:34 | |
One of his field trips, I suppose. | 0:37:34 | 0:37:36 | |
He had a backpack with him. | 0:37:36 | 0:37:38 | |
Did he say when he'd be back? | 0:37:38 | 0:37:39 | |
Sorry. | 0:37:39 | 0:37:41 | |
Guv'nor, we've got a bit of a problem. | 0:37:43 | 0:37:47 | |
OK, Gerry. Cheers. | 0:37:47 | 0:37:48 | |
Detective Superintendent Pullman, UCOS. | 0:37:54 | 0:37:56 | |
I want a suspect placed on all watch lists. Ports, airports. | 0:37:56 | 0:38:00 | |
Name of Mark Slater. IC1 male, aged 38. | 0:38:00 | 0:38:03 | |
Detective Superintendent Pullman. Jack Halford. UCOS. | 0:38:25 | 0:38:29 | |
I've talked to your people. | 0:38:29 | 0:38:30 | |
Yeah, now you're going to talk some more. Where's your boyfriend, Sarah? | 0:38:30 | 0:38:35 | |
-I don't understand. -Mark Slater is a suspect in our murder inquiry. Do you know where he is? | 0:38:35 | 0:38:39 | |
No, no, of course not. Mark's just a business associate. | 0:38:39 | 0:38:42 | |
Make sure your story stands up, we're searching his premises right now. | 0:38:42 | 0:38:46 | |
I've got a warrant for yours as well. | 0:38:46 | 0:38:48 | |
Could you open that bag, please? Show us what's inside. | 0:38:48 | 0:38:52 | |
Well, there's a thing. | 0:39:00 | 0:39:02 | |
So what have you got to say about that? | 0:39:02 | 0:39:04 | |
It's a fossil. | 0:39:06 | 0:39:09 | |
No, there's nothing very interesting in the paper files. | 0:39:09 | 0:39:13 | |
All the serious records will be on disk. | 0:39:14 | 0:39:17 | |
-Let's take this in, then. Give it a good going over. -Sure. | 0:39:17 | 0:39:20 | |
Listen, listen, boys, mind how you go, | 0:39:20 | 0:39:23 | |
everything in here is worth a fortune. | 0:39:23 | 0:39:25 | |
Your fossil turned up yet? | 0:39:27 | 0:39:29 | |
No, Allison and Carol were a dead loss, | 0:39:29 | 0:39:33 | |
just gave me a load of earache about the junk I'd already left over there. | 0:39:33 | 0:39:37 | |
What about Jane? | 0:39:37 | 0:39:38 | |
Oh, couldn't get an answer out of her at all. | 0:39:38 | 0:39:41 | |
That's a thought. Maybe I'll just pop over there. | 0:39:41 | 0:39:44 | |
Come on, then. | 0:39:44 | 0:39:46 | |
See ya, boys. | 0:39:46 | 0:39:49 | |
What is your relationship with Mark Slater? | 0:39:49 | 0:39:51 | |
Oh, Mark and I were students together. | 0:39:51 | 0:39:55 | |
We're old friends. | 0:39:55 | 0:39:56 | |
You're having an affair, aren't you? | 0:39:56 | 0:39:58 | |
No. | 0:39:58 | 0:39:59 | |
Your husband thinks you are. | 0:39:59 | 0:40:01 | |
He's had his man Ratcliffe watching Slater's premises. | 0:40:01 | 0:40:05 | |
I'm not responsible for what goes on in James' head. | 0:40:05 | 0:40:07 | |
You've been having secret meetings with Slater, for long periods, outside of normal working hours. | 0:40:07 | 0:40:13 | |
I don't have "normal working hours", neither does Mark. | 0:40:13 | 0:40:16 | |
What was that skull doing in the boot of your car, Sarah? | 0:40:16 | 0:40:21 | |
Oh, look at that. | 0:40:22 | 0:40:24 | |
It'll take days to get through all this lot. | 0:40:24 | 0:40:27 | |
Well, see if there's anything that refers to Fletcher. | 0:40:27 | 0:40:30 | |
Hello. | 0:40:35 | 0:40:36 | |
An e-mail from Fletcher, addressed to Madeleine Simmonds. | 0:40:36 | 0:40:39 | |
It just says, "For your information". | 0:40:39 | 0:40:42 | |
Dated September 2000. | 0:40:42 | 0:40:44 | |
So Slater was hacking into Fletcher's e-mails. | 0:40:44 | 0:40:48 | |
What are the attachments? | 0:40:48 | 0:40:49 | |
Just called Natural History Museum 01, 02 et cetera. | 0:40:49 | 0:40:54 | |
That skull is a fossil of a possible human ancestor, right? | 0:40:59 | 0:41:04 | |
-Would that make it valuable? -Priceless. | 0:41:06 | 0:41:08 | |
So what was it doing in the boot of your car? | 0:41:08 | 0:41:11 | |
There's not really an open market for humanoid fossils. | 0:41:11 | 0:41:15 | |
Rock stars don't want them on their walls. | 0:41:15 | 0:41:17 | |
You have to do a deal with an institution. | 0:41:17 | 0:41:19 | |
A museum that's not too fussy about questions of provenance. | 0:41:19 | 0:41:23 | |
Slater handled that side of things, did he? | 0:41:23 | 0:41:25 | |
-Yes. -And questions of provenance can be very embarrassing, can't they, Sarah? | 0:41:25 | 0:41:30 | |
I understand that the Chinese get very sensitive about their fossil heritage being ripped off. | 0:41:30 | 0:41:34 | |
It's a wonderful source for palaeontologists. | 0:41:34 | 0:41:38 | |
The Chinese know Slater's dodgy. | 0:41:38 | 0:41:39 | |
He wouldn't be allowed back in the country, let alone stand a chance of getting any fossils out. | 0:41:39 | 0:41:44 | |
But you could organise it, as a top of the market tour manager. | 0:41:44 | 0:41:47 | |
Everybody needs to put something aside for the future. | 0:41:47 | 0:41:51 | |
I wouldn't have thought being married to James Winslow you'd have any financial worries. | 0:41:51 | 0:41:55 | |
James made it perfectly clear that a man who marries his mistress creates a job vacancy. | 0:41:55 | 0:42:02 | |
It seemed wise to make my own provisions. | 0:42:02 | 0:42:04 | |
But your association with Mark Slater goes way back before your marriage. | 0:42:04 | 0:42:09 | |
And Slater was suspected of illicit fossil trading by Bernard Fletcher, ten years ago. | 0:42:09 | 0:42:14 | |
Were you involved in that scam? | 0:42:14 | 0:42:16 | |
No. | 0:42:16 | 0:42:17 | |
No, you've got this totally wrong. | 0:42:17 | 0:42:19 | |
Have we? You were at the museum the night Fletcher died. | 0:42:19 | 0:42:24 | |
I don't know anything about Fletcher's death. | 0:42:24 | 0:42:27 | |
-And what would Mark Slater know about it? -You'd have to ask him. | 0:42:27 | 0:42:30 | |
Oh, we were about to when he disappeared. | 0:42:30 | 0:42:33 | |
Which leaves you, as his accomplice, carrying the can. | 0:42:33 | 0:42:37 | |
Here we go. | 0:42:40 | 0:42:42 | |
Finance! My favourite. | 0:42:42 | 0:42:44 | |
There we go. Customer accounts. | 0:42:44 | 0:42:46 | |
Let's see how much business Sarah was really doing. | 0:42:46 | 0:42:49 | |
Cos I reckon it was just a cover for a nice little game of hide the fossil. | 0:42:49 | 0:42:54 | |
Right, here we go, in the financial year ending 31st March, 2010, | 0:42:54 | 0:42:58 | |
she spent 38,500. | 0:42:58 | 0:43:01 | |
Stroll on! | 0:43:01 | 0:43:03 | |
2009 - 42,000. | 0:43:03 | 0:43:06 | |
Gordon Bennett! | 0:43:06 | 0:43:07 | |
Sarah Winslow's coughed to being involved in a fossil scam with Mark Slater, | 0:43:07 | 0:43:12 | |
but denying any knowledge of Fletcher's death. | 0:43:12 | 0:43:15 | |
Much on Slater's computer? | 0:43:15 | 0:43:17 | |
Shedloads. We've hardly scratched the surface. | 0:43:17 | 0:43:19 | |
Just listen how much Sarah's been spending with Slater over the years. | 0:43:19 | 0:43:23 | |
Another one, 2008 - 35,700. | 0:43:23 | 0:43:25 | |
Blimey, she must own the business at that rate! | 0:43:25 | 0:43:28 | |
How far does this go back? | 0:43:28 | 0:43:30 | |
Well, she opened her customer account in 2002. | 0:43:30 | 0:43:34 | |
She spent 38,500 that financial year. | 0:43:34 | 0:43:38 | |
-Maybe she just likes spending her old man's money, it has been known. -But hang on... | 0:43:38 | 0:43:42 | |
If you compare like for like items, | 0:43:42 | 0:43:45 | |
Sarah's paying 50% to 70% to more than other customers. | 0:43:45 | 0:43:49 | |
And she's no mug. There must be a scam on here. | 0:43:49 | 0:43:52 | |
But it can't be the same scam she's running with Slater, it's the wrong way round. | 0:43:52 | 0:43:56 | |
She's smuggling stuff out of China, he sells it on, he should be paying her. | 0:43:56 | 0:44:00 | |
Yeah. | 0:44:00 | 0:44:01 | |
Weird. | 0:44:01 | 0:44:03 | |
I don't know why you want me involved in this. | 0:44:05 | 0:44:07 | |
Cos you're an upstanding, honest citizen, and Jane knows that. | 0:44:07 | 0:44:11 | |
She'd think it was really iffy if I'd pitched up on my own. | 0:44:11 | 0:44:14 | |
Yeah, well... | 0:44:14 | 0:44:16 | |
You know what? I think she's away. | 0:44:26 | 0:44:30 | |
Good, can I go home, then? | 0:44:30 | 0:44:31 | |
No, no, Brian. Look. | 0:44:31 | 0:44:33 | |
No-one ever stopped us getting into a target premises when we were in the job, did they? | 0:44:33 | 0:44:37 | |
Does she know you've got a key? | 0:44:37 | 0:44:39 | |
Well, put it this way, I've never told her I haven't. | 0:44:39 | 0:44:42 | |
You can't walk into someone's house when they're away in the middle of night! | 0:44:42 | 0:44:45 | |
It's better than in daylight, isn't it? | 0:44:45 | 0:44:47 | |
This is illegal entry! | 0:44:47 | 0:44:49 | |
All my wives have said that to me at one time or another! | 0:44:49 | 0:44:52 | |
Now get in here, you look suspicious. | 0:44:52 | 0:44:54 | |
You really made a mess of the Fletcher case. | 0:44:58 | 0:45:01 | |
I thought you were on my side, Jack! | 0:45:01 | 0:45:03 | |
If the original inquiry had known it could have been murder, | 0:45:03 | 0:45:07 | |
and what the time of death was, | 0:45:07 | 0:45:08 | |
they might have cleared the whole thing up when the trail was fresh. | 0:45:08 | 0:45:12 | |
After all these years, we may never be able to prove anything! | 0:45:12 | 0:45:15 | |
I didn't do the postmortem on Fletcher. | 0:45:18 | 0:45:21 | |
What? | 0:45:21 | 0:45:22 | |
Truth is, ten years back, I was hitting the bottle so hard, | 0:45:22 | 0:45:29 | |
I could hardly walk in a straight line, | 0:45:29 | 0:45:31 | |
let alone make an incision. | 0:45:31 | 0:45:34 | |
I left it to one of my students... | 0:45:35 | 0:45:38 | |
..and gave him a wad of cash to write the reports. | 0:45:40 | 0:45:43 | |
And to keep his mouth shut, no doubt. | 0:45:43 | 0:45:47 | |
Why can't we have the lights on? | 0:45:51 | 0:45:53 | |
Same reason why we're whispering. | 0:45:53 | 0:45:55 | |
I don't like this at all. | 0:45:55 | 0:45:57 | |
Just keep looking. | 0:45:57 | 0:45:59 | |
Ow! | 0:45:59 | 0:46:00 | |
-What? -What the bloody hell's that? | 0:46:00 | 0:46:03 | |
-That's it! -What, that? | 0:46:03 | 0:46:05 | |
Yeah, brilliant. | 0:46:05 | 0:46:07 | |
It don't look like much. | 0:46:07 | 0:46:09 | |
No, I don't suppose those things in Slater's shop look like much before they were cleaned up and polished. | 0:46:09 | 0:46:15 | |
Put the lights on, Brian. | 0:46:17 | 0:46:18 | |
Why? | 0:46:19 | 0:46:21 | |
Oh. | 0:46:24 | 0:46:25 | |
-Either of you two the householder? -Not really. -Is there a problem? | 0:46:28 | 0:46:32 | |
Report of two men seen entering the house. | 0:46:32 | 0:46:34 | |
Householder's on holiday, apparently. So you are? | 0:46:34 | 0:46:38 | |
Gerry Standing. Brian Lane. | 0:46:38 | 0:46:41 | |
Civilian investigators with UCOS. | 0:46:41 | 0:46:43 | |
So you're saying you're here on police business? | 0:46:43 | 0:46:46 | |
-We, erm... -No, no, no, we're just, erm... | 0:46:46 | 0:46:49 | |
House sitting, actually. The ex-wife... | 0:46:49 | 0:46:51 | |
likes us to look in every couple of days to see everything's all right. | 0:46:51 | 0:46:55 | |
Got to help each other nowadays, haven't you? | 0:46:55 | 0:46:57 | |
-It's the Big Society, isn't it? -Yeah, massive. | 0:46:57 | 0:46:59 | |
I'll want your addresses. | 0:47:00 | 0:47:02 | |
Certainly, Officer. Come on, then. | 0:47:02 | 0:47:05 | |
Let's get it all locked up, nice, safe and secure. | 0:47:05 | 0:47:09 | |
There you go, job done, no suspects on! | 0:47:09 | 0:47:13 | |
You've been a very good customer of Mark Slater's over the years, haven't you, Sarah? | 0:47:13 | 0:47:18 | |
We like fossil decor. | 0:47:18 | 0:47:20 | |
And my husband's encouraged me to buy for his corporate HQ. | 0:47:20 | 0:47:24 | |
It's in line with their branding. | 0:47:24 | 0:47:26 | |
In fact, you've been Slater's best customer. | 0:47:26 | 0:47:28 | |
Since he set up in business in 2002 you've put a cool half million his way. | 0:47:28 | 0:47:32 | |
If you say so. | 0:47:32 | 0:47:34 | |
My motto is, if you have to ask the price, you can't afford it. | 0:47:34 | 0:47:37 | |
Still, you must have some concern about value for money. | 0:47:37 | 0:47:41 | |
And you also must know you've been paying way, way over the odds. | 0:47:41 | 0:47:44 | |
Paying top dollar isn't a crime, is it? | 0:47:44 | 0:47:48 | |
No, but money-laundering is. | 0:47:48 | 0:47:50 | |
And that's what this looks like. | 0:47:50 | 0:47:52 | |
A means to pay Slater for services far beyond supplying fossils. | 0:47:52 | 0:47:57 | |
So what was Slater really being paid for, Sarah? | 0:47:57 | 0:48:00 | |
Bernard Fletcher died in 2001, | 0:48:02 | 0:48:05 | |
the following year the serious money began to flow. | 0:48:05 | 0:48:08 | |
Slater was being paid to keep quiet about the circumstances of Fletcher's death, wasn't he? | 0:48:08 | 0:48:14 | |
It's nothing to do with me! | 0:48:14 | 0:48:15 | |
It's your money. | 0:48:15 | 0:48:17 | |
It's my husband's money. | 0:48:17 | 0:48:18 | |
James is responsible for any money paid to Mark. | 0:48:18 | 0:48:22 | |
James wanted me to source fossils from Mark Slater. | 0:48:23 | 0:48:28 | |
He assured me that Slater would suggest an acceptable price. | 0:48:28 | 0:48:33 | |
That's all I know. | 0:48:33 | 0:48:35 | |
And you never queried that? | 0:48:35 | 0:48:38 | |
I was strongly discouraged. | 0:48:39 | 0:48:42 | |
By James and by Mark. | 0:48:42 | 0:48:45 | |
This is Tiffany Hayes, our in-house counsel. | 0:48:45 | 0:48:48 | |
My client would like it placed on record | 0:48:48 | 0:48:50 | |
he has gone out of his way to co-operate with your inquiries, | 0:48:50 | 0:48:54 | |
despite the fact that no evidence has been put to him | 0:48:54 | 0:48:57 | |
indicating his involvement in any illegal activities. | 0:48:57 | 0:49:00 | |
Is it true you asked Michael Ratcliffe to watch Mark Slater's premises? | 0:49:02 | 0:49:06 | |
Yes. | 0:49:06 | 0:49:07 | |
I wanted to know if my wife and Slater were having an affair. | 0:49:07 | 0:49:10 | |
Your wife has been making some very generous payments to Slater, isn't that right? | 0:49:10 | 0:49:15 | |
My wife has an irresponsible attitude to money. | 0:49:15 | 0:49:19 | |
-You've been paying Slater off since Fletcher's death, haven't you? -No. | 0:49:19 | 0:49:24 | |
Our information is that you have. | 0:49:24 | 0:49:26 | |
You're asking my client to comment on slanderous hearsay from his wife, | 0:49:26 | 0:49:30 | |
who is unstable and has a drink problem. | 0:49:30 | 0:49:32 | |
That's unreasonable. | 0:49:32 | 0:49:33 | |
Nevertheless, we would like him to make a comment. | 0:49:33 | 0:49:36 | |
I have no interest in the circumstances of Bernard Fletcher's death. | 0:49:41 | 0:49:45 | |
You've failed to establish that he had any relationship with my company. | 0:49:45 | 0:49:50 | |
You're just speculating, without offering a shred of evidence. | 0:49:50 | 0:49:54 | |
Bernard Fletcher sent you this e-mail some months before he died. | 0:49:56 | 0:50:00 | |
Where did you get this? | 0:50:00 | 0:50:01 | |
That's not the issue. | 0:50:01 | 0:50:02 | |
We've been talking to your technical people. | 0:50:02 | 0:50:05 | |
And they said the attachments are micrographs, | 0:50:05 | 0:50:07 | |
pictures taken on a scanning electron microscope. | 0:50:07 | 0:50:11 | |
What are they pictures of? | 0:50:11 | 0:50:13 | |
Foraminifera. A form of microfossil. | 0:50:13 | 0:50:16 | |
According to your earth sciences people, | 0:50:16 | 0:50:19 | |
they've undergone a process of discolouration and deformation | 0:50:19 | 0:50:22 | |
due to heating, during their history. | 0:50:22 | 0:50:25 | |
Now we're told that this indicates the possibility of oil deposits. | 0:50:25 | 0:50:29 | |
So why was Fletcher sending them to you? | 0:50:29 | 0:50:31 | |
You know Bernard had done research | 0:50:35 | 0:50:37 | |
in what was then Soviet Central Asia in the 1980s? | 0:50:37 | 0:50:40 | |
This is before he switched his interest to fossil birds. | 0:50:40 | 0:50:43 | |
He revisited Central Asia in the late '90s. | 0:50:43 | 0:50:45 | |
By that time the local states had become independent of the former Soviet Union. | 0:50:45 | 0:50:49 | |
In the area where he had done his original research, | 0:50:49 | 0:50:52 | |
vast tracts of land were being acquired | 0:50:52 | 0:50:54 | |
by a variety of Western companies, | 0:50:54 | 0:50:56 | |
talking about speculative resort complexes and holiday home developments. | 0:50:56 | 0:51:00 | |
Is that where you'd go on holiday? | 0:51:00 | 0:51:02 | |
Well, if you're interested in natural beauty, wetlands, wildlife, particularly birds. | 0:51:02 | 0:51:07 | |
Sounds very nice. | 0:51:07 | 0:51:09 | |
When Bernard came back, | 0:51:09 | 0:51:10 | |
he re-examined his old microfossil findings using more modern techniques, | 0:51:10 | 0:51:14 | |
and saw clear evidence indicating the presence of substantial oil and gas deposits. | 0:51:14 | 0:51:18 | |
He believed an oil company was buying the land, acting through proxies to keep the price down. | 0:51:18 | 0:51:22 | |
What oil company? | 0:51:22 | 0:51:23 | |
He didn't know, he was still trying to find out. | 0:51:23 | 0:51:26 | |
He sent me this as a campaign to persuade me the museum | 0:51:26 | 0:51:29 | |
should drop its associations with oil companies as a matter of principle. | 0:51:29 | 0:51:33 | |
And what was your response? | 0:51:33 | 0:51:35 | |
Sponsorship is our lifeblood. | 0:51:35 | 0:51:37 | |
I believed it would be catastrophic for the museum. | 0:51:37 | 0:51:40 | |
I told Bernard he would have to make a much stronger case before I could consider supporting him. | 0:51:40 | 0:51:45 | |
Basically, you kicked it into touch. | 0:51:45 | 0:51:47 | |
And then Fletcher was killed. | 0:51:47 | 0:51:49 | |
Well, in an accident. That's what we were led to believe. | 0:51:49 | 0:51:52 | |
Fletcher eventually works out who the oil company is that's buying up the land. | 0:51:52 | 0:51:56 | |
Mondial Fuel! It's got to be! | 0:51:56 | 0:51:58 | |
Slater's into Fletcher's e-mails. | 0:51:58 | 0:51:59 | |
He's got it in for Fletcher because he nicked his bird | 0:51:59 | 0:52:02 | |
so he's trying to get Fletcher the sack. | 0:52:02 | 0:52:04 | |
He grasses him up to Mondial Fuel. | 0:52:04 | 0:52:06 | |
-Fletcher's killed, Slater gets paid off! -It all adds up to me. | 0:52:06 | 0:52:10 | |
Great story. Brilliant work. Sorry to have to rain on your parade. That's all it is. | 0:52:10 | 0:52:15 | |
It's just a story, it's not a case. | 0:52:15 | 0:52:16 | |
It doesn't gives us who killed Fletcher, which is what we're investigating, remember? | 0:52:16 | 0:52:21 | |
-Without Slater, we're cattle. -No sightings, then? | 0:52:21 | 0:52:24 | |
His description's been circulated, he's on all the watch lists. | 0:52:24 | 0:52:28 | |
No sightings, no withdrawals from his bank, no calls from his mobile. | 0:52:28 | 0:52:32 | |
-Well, he's somewhere, isn't he? -I don't know. | 0:52:32 | 0:52:34 | |
Maybe Mondial Fuel caught up with him and knocked him off. Solves a problem, and saves money. | 0:52:34 | 0:52:39 | |
Maybe somebody's looking after him. | 0:52:39 | 0:52:41 | |
Who? Sarah Winslow's showing no signs of sticking her neck out for him, is she? | 0:52:41 | 0:52:45 | |
-Marie? -Marie? | 0:52:45 | 0:52:46 | |
Marie's been covering up for him for ten years, she could be doing it now. | 0:52:46 | 0:52:50 | |
She's got a husband and two kids. What'll she say to them, | 0:52:50 | 0:52:53 | |
"This guy's my old boyfriend, he's coming to live in the basement"? | 0:52:53 | 0:52:56 | |
-No, she wouldn't do that. -Course not! -Not in HER basement. | 0:52:56 | 0:53:00 | |
What do you mean? | 0:53:00 | 0:53:01 | |
Barry! | 0:53:05 | 0:53:06 | |
Can't talk now, lads. I'm on duty. | 0:53:06 | 0:53:08 | |
Your duty is to assist the police with their enquiries. | 0:53:08 | 0:53:12 | |
So when Mark Slater worked here, | 0:53:12 | 0:53:13 | |
was he one of the people who dossed in the basement when he was having domestic troubles? | 0:53:13 | 0:53:18 | |
-Well, I can't recall off-hand. -What's this? | 0:53:18 | 0:53:20 | |
Mind if we have a look? | 0:53:20 | 0:53:22 | |
Packed lunch. | 0:53:22 | 0:53:23 | |
You're a pub lunch man. I should know, I paid! | 0:53:23 | 0:53:26 | |
I'm economising. | 0:53:26 | 0:53:27 | |
-I think Mark Slater's hiding out here somewhere. -You're looking after him. | 0:53:27 | 0:53:31 | |
-You're talking bollocks! -No, Barry, we're talking wasting police time, obstructing an investigation. | 0:53:31 | 0:53:37 | |
-Conspiracy? -Always my favourite. | 0:53:37 | 0:53:40 | |
-Bloody hell! -Where is he, Barry? | 0:53:40 | 0:53:43 | |
Blimey. | 0:53:48 | 0:53:50 | |
Mark? | 0:53:51 | 0:53:52 | |
It's only me. | 0:53:55 | 0:53:56 | |
Brian. | 0:54:14 | 0:54:16 | |
He's definitely in here somewhere. | 0:54:22 | 0:54:25 | |
Mark? | 0:54:26 | 0:54:28 | |
Mark! Brian! | 0:54:30 | 0:54:33 | |
Come on, son. | 0:54:35 | 0:54:37 | |
We need to talk to you. | 0:54:37 | 0:54:39 | |
Strike! | 0:54:57 | 0:54:58 | |
You told Winslow that Fletcher was on to what Mondial Fuel were doing, didn't you? | 0:55:02 | 0:55:07 | |
Yes. | 0:55:07 | 0:55:09 | |
And then you killed him for them, | 0:55:09 | 0:55:11 | |
and Winslow's been paying you off ever since, isn't that right? | 0:55:11 | 0:55:14 | |
-No. I didn't know anything about the killing until it had happened. -OK. | 0:55:14 | 0:55:18 | |
So what's your version of events? | 0:55:18 | 0:55:21 | |
Winslow asked me for a duplicate key for the backstage area, which I supplied. | 0:55:23 | 0:55:27 | |
So he could kill Fletcher? | 0:55:27 | 0:55:29 | |
We thought Bernard would be out the way, at the dinner. | 0:55:29 | 0:55:33 | |
Winslow trained as a geologist. He wanted to see what Bernard had found out. Next thing I knew, | 0:55:33 | 0:55:37 | |
Bernard was dead. There was nothing I could do about it. | 0:55:37 | 0:55:40 | |
Well, you did a little bit more than nothing. | 0:55:40 | 0:55:42 | |
You became an accessory. | 0:55:42 | 0:55:44 | |
You dealt with the murder weapon, didn't you? | 0:55:44 | 0:55:46 | |
He asked me to get rid of it, and I said I would. | 0:55:46 | 0:55:49 | |
But you can't just walk out the museum with an item like that. | 0:55:49 | 0:55:52 | |
The best I could do was switch round the labels. | 0:55:52 | 0:55:54 | |
And Winslow's been paying you off ever since? | 0:55:54 | 0:55:57 | |
Yes. | 0:55:59 | 0:56:01 | |
We have method, motive and opportunity. | 0:56:01 | 0:56:05 | |
James Winslow, I'm arresting you on... | 0:56:05 | 0:56:08 | |
Before you go any further I believe Mr Ratcliffe would like to make a statement. | 0:56:08 | 0:56:13 | |
I killed Bernard Fletcher. | 0:56:16 | 0:56:18 | |
But you weren't even there! | 0:56:18 | 0:56:19 | |
Fletcher was conducting a campaign of industrial espionage | 0:56:21 | 0:56:25 | |
and subversion against my company. | 0:56:25 | 0:56:27 | |
James Winslow provided me with a key to the museum's backstage area, where I hid during the day. | 0:56:27 | 0:56:32 | |
That evening, when Fletcher was at the dinner, | 0:56:32 | 0:56:35 | |
I accessed his office to search for and destroy materials assembled by Fletcher to damage Mondial Fuel. | 0:56:35 | 0:56:41 | |
I was interrupted by Fletcher, who assaulted me. | 0:56:41 | 0:56:44 | |
In fear of my life, and acting in self defence | 0:56:44 | 0:56:47 | |
I struck him with a fossil bone I found on his bench. | 0:56:47 | 0:56:51 | |
I moved the body to the Dinosaur Gallery, | 0:56:51 | 0:56:54 | |
and I left the museum via the rear staff entrance. | 0:56:54 | 0:56:57 | |
I don't believe a word of this. | 0:56:59 | 0:57:02 | |
Winslow's offered you a massive bung to take the rap, hasn't he? | 0:57:02 | 0:57:07 | |
Could you do me a favour, Madeleine, and give me your expert view on this? | 0:57:10 | 0:57:15 | |
I'm not giving the museum first refusal, you understand? | 0:57:15 | 0:57:19 | |
I want to see what my options are like on the open market first. | 0:57:19 | 0:57:22 | |
But he'd like to know what it is. | 0:57:22 | 0:57:24 | |
You see, my guess would be | 0:57:24 | 0:57:27 | |
some kind of primitive echinoderm. | 0:57:27 | 0:57:29 | |
You know, like your modern sea cucumber. | 0:57:29 | 0:57:31 | |
Yes, I can see where you're coming from, but, no, it's not that. | 0:57:31 | 0:57:34 | |
But it is a fossil? | 0:57:34 | 0:57:36 | |
Yes. It's coprolite. | 0:57:36 | 0:57:38 | |
-Is it? -Coprolite. | 0:57:38 | 0:57:39 | |
I own a coprolite! | 0:57:39 | 0:57:41 | |
So, between ourselves, | 0:57:41 | 0:57:42 | |
could you give me a rough ball-park figure of what I might hope to get for it? | 0:57:42 | 0:57:46 | |
Someone with a scatological sense of humour might offer you a few quid to have it as a conversation piece. | 0:57:46 | 0:57:52 | |
A few quid? But it's thousands of years old! | 0:57:52 | 0:57:55 | |
Oh, yes, it's old, all right. But not all that uncommon. | 0:57:55 | 0:57:58 | |
Coprolite is fossilised animal dung. | 0:57:58 | 0:58:00 | |
Shit. | 0:58:00 | 0:58:02 | |
Precisely. | 0:58:02 | 0:58:03 | |
Well, I don't want it. | 0:58:05 | 0:58:07 | |
# It's all right, it's OK | 0:58:10 | 0:58:13 | |
# Doesn't really matter if you're old and grey | 0:58:13 | 0:58:16 | |
# It's all right, I say it's OK | 0:58:16 | 0:58:18 | |
# Listen to what I say | 0:58:18 | 0:58:21 | |
# It's all right, doing fine | 0:58:22 | 0:58:24 | |
# Doesn't really matter if the sun don't shine | 0:58:24 | 0:58:27 | |
# It's all right, I say it's OK | 0:58:27 | 0:58:29 | |
# We're gettin' to the end of the day. # | 0:58:29 | 0:58:32 | |
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