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This programme contains some scenes which some viewers may find upsetting

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We're only holding two cards. One, we have him two, we have her and she's alive,

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the rest is a disaster.

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Do you have a friend called Daisy?

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Why?

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There's something about her online,

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how she met Daddy one time.

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Am I being interviewed under caution?

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Yes, you are.

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I knew that Rose was in that boot

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and I needed to get to her.

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And what about Mr Spector's life?

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Did you not have a duty to protect that?

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MACHINE BLEEPS HE CHOKES

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I need some help in here!

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Rose, what are you doing?

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-I want to go home.

-You can't.

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I want to go home!

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A man has come forward having seen Spector's photograph on the news.

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He says Spector looks like a man who rents

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a lock-up from him in East Belfast,

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under the name Baldwin.

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We've just landed a not uninteresting little case.

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The Belfast Strangler.

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You stay away from him!

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I haven't been near him! You need to get a grip!

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You're obsessed, it's pathetic!

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SHE SCREAMS

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Who's pathetic now?!

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Ma'am.

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Hello, Daddy.

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It's me, Olivia.

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Why are you so big? And you, you look different, older.

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What's happening to me?

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More victims?

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HEAVY BREATHING

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Are you in pain?

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Here.

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HE EXHALES DEEPLY

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We've seen fragments before,

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bits of pages that didn't burn in the car.

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Enough to confirm that he kept journals, but nothing like this.

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Nothing so extensive, nothing so detailed.

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I'd put it to Spector that between the strangulation

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of Rose and the murder of Fiona Gallagher,

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that there must have been other attacks.

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He said that there were no other attacks,

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that Fiona Gallagher was his first murder.

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During that gap in time, he suggested that he

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always had a "project" to work on.

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Are these those "projects"?

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A.S.

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Might live in the Holylands area,

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who might be a journalist...

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..who seems to wake up late every day and skip breakfast.

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Who wears a cream robe after her bath and sometimes doesn't

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completely close her bedroom curtains.

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Or, R.W...

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who cycles to the university most days off,

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somewhere in the Lisburn Road.

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Always brings her lunch with her and eats in the botanic gardens.

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Who has clear, pale skin, wears close-fitting clothes

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and walks with a short stride that Spector likes.

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Where on the continuum of his violence do these journals fit?

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Are they just fantasies that sustain him, feed his appetites?

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Or are they a record...

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..of nine more murders?

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What time of day is it?

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Morning, afternoon, night?

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Morning.

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Where are we?

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Belfast General Hospital.

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Can you remember the name of your nurse?

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Kiera.

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Are you married, or do you have a partner?

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I'm married.

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Can you remember any other family members?

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Sally Ann has a father, John, and a mother, Carol.

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We call her Cici.

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And what about you?

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Me?

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Do you have any family?

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No.

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Why is that?

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My mother died.

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And what about your father?

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When I was growing up, he was known as Peter Baldwin.

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I thought that man was my father, till he left us.

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My mother told me that he wasn't my real father, he was...

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just a man.

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When did you become Paul Spector?

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Erm...

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just before I met Sally Ann.

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And why did you change?

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Wanted a...

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clean start.

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-New life.

-Why's that?

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Not sure.

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Has that new life worked for you?

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The sheer volume of garments suggests there were very many

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fetish burglaries at that time.

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His journals talk of...

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..climbing scaffolding,

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finding windows open, doors unlocked, alarms not set.

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I took this photograph to be of a woman.

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On closer inspection...

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it's clear it's a mannequin.

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And these pictures of him.

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The bondage, the auto asphyxiation...

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..introduce a new element to our understanding

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of his sexual behaviour.

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Has any information returned to you over

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the last 12 hours voluntarily?

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I don't think so.

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Hold this in your hand.

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Keep it safe.

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Can you give it back to me in 15 minutes' time?

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Yes.

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Who's the British Prime Minister?

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Tony Blair.

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Have you heard of Facebook?

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-Yes.

-What is it?

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It's...

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a social networking site.

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And what about Twitter?

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I don't know what that is.

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So you don't know what a tweet is, or tweeting?

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The sound a bird makes.

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What's a hashtag?

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No idea.

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Presumably, I'm supposed to know what these things are?

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Maybe.

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The main thing is that we identify and find these women.

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Use the initials,

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look at solved or unsolved sexually motivated murders,

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or attempted murders, particularly strangulations occurring

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in homes and apartments, check Missing Persons

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for suspected foul play.

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We need to know if these women are alive or dead.

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I think that's all, unless there's anything else?

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We've confirmed the list of children's homes

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Spector was in, following the death of his mother.

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We have lists of all his fellow pupils,

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including those at Gortnacull.

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Any news on the Benedetto girl?

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Uniforms called at her house this morning, Ma'am.

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She didn't come home last night,

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her mother has no idea where she is.

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A warrant's been issued for her arrest.

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Thank you all.

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What's the last full day you remember?

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It was with Olivia.

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Go on.

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Erm...

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I took her to a playgroup, a musical playgroup.

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She loves dancing.

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And, erm...

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they all sing songs, The Wheels On The Bus.

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She touches all the right places when she does

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Head, Shoulders, Knees And Toes.

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Then we went for lunch in the park.

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She was pedalling on her tricycle.

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There's a pair of swans on the water there, nine or ten babies.

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Ugly ducklings.

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She was talking loads.

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She's always getting me to play make believe with her.

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It sounds to me like Olivia is about two years old.

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Yes.

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But she isn't, is she?

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Can you describe what the memory loss feels like to you?

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Well...

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..it feels like it's night-time and...

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..there's a thunderstorm and I'm standing on a hillside...

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..and I've been asked to draw a map of the valley below.

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There's lightning flashes.

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They light up the land, but only for a few seconds,

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not long enough to draw the map.

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Can you recall who you are?

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In the sense of what you were like and what you're like now?

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Your trait characteristics?

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Erm...

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I'm told I have a son.

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I've no reason to think that people are lying to me, but...

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..I don't feel it.

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I'm told I'm in trouble with the police.

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I don't know what I've done.

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I think that I might be different but I don't know why.

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I feel like I'm an all-right person?

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It will all come back to me, won't it?

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Your anterograde memory is working well.

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Anything else you've forgotten, you can relearn.

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But the ownership has gone.

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MOBILE RINGS

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KEYPAD TONE Gibson?

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'Patrick Spencer, ICU Consultant, Belfast General Hospital.'

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Thank you for calling me back, Doctor. I understand he's conscious?

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'He is. His physiology is normalising.

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'He's cardiovascularly stable...'

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and has made good progress

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given the massive insult and blood loss from the bullet wounds...

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'But?'

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But there is an issue.

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'Although his short-term memory

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'seems to be functioning adequately...

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'..it seems Mr Spector has suffered

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'quite extensive long-term memory loss.'

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BED WHIRS, HE WINCES

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BED CLANKS

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OK.

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I'm just going to move your legs to the edge of the bed, here.

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OK...

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I'm now going to take your arm now.

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OK, here we go...

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HE GROANS

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HE GRUNTS

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Keep going.

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Over here...

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Here.

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HE GROANS

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OK, that's good. Well done.

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GIBSON: 'Apparently, he's docile,

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'well oriented in time and space and has...'

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established good relations with his doctors and nurses.

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(For pity's sake!)

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It seems he can acquire new information

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and keep track of his medical procedures,

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but that he has almost no recollection

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of the events that have taken place over the last six years or so.

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Are we supposed to be taking this seriously?

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I think we have to.

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Are they linking this...

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..this impairment directly to the shooting?

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The nature of the amnesia has not been established yet.

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It... It might be organic, an injury to the brain

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because of blood loss or a resultant lack of oxygen,

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or it could be psychogenic,

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a result, perhaps, of trauma.

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But until they do an MRI scan, they can't really say.

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So, perform the MRI scan.

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Spector has retained metal fragments from the bullet in his body.

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If they contain iron, the fragments can be heated up

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and the magnet can drag them through the body

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and cause more organ damage.

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-Are they conducting psychological tests yet?

-Yes, they are.

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The Consultant Neuropsychologist is an Alison Walden.

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But Jim's right. He must be feigning, surely?

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-Or at the very least, exaggerating his symptoms?

-To what end?

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The law does not concern itself with the present state of mind

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of the criminal defendant,

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only with the state of mind at the time the crime was committed.

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And Spector's was clearly conveyed in his confession.

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He clearly understood the difference

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between right and wrong at the time of the crimes,

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and, therefore, he will be held accountable.

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But it is founded on memory-based evidence.

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And he's saying that he can't remember any of the crimes.

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It poses all sorts of problems for the courts.

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It's almost like he's claiming that he's innocent.

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It seems there's more than usual pressure

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to build the evidential case against him.

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That's precisely what we're doing, sir.

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What will happen to him if the defence does ask

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for a mental health assessment?

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His potential dangerousness suggests a forensic unit

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rather than a hospital ward.

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And where would that be?

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The Foyle Clinic in East Belfast.

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Who will assess him?

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August Larson.

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He's the Consultant Forensic Psychiatrist.

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Very experienced, very used to giving expert testimony in court.

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The sooner we get him out of the hands of the medics,

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and back into the justice system, the better.

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DOOR OPENS

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< Thanks, Alison.

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HE TAPS ON GLASS

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Kiera Sheridan. Mr Spector's dedicated nurse.

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She provides him with one-to-one care.

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She will limit your visit if patient status warrants it.

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-Thank you.

-She'll show you in.

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-LOWDEN:

-'What about the wife?'

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I'm worried about her.

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It's obviously been a devastating blow to her -

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as it would be to anyone who seems to have had no real suspicions.

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But there's no possibility of her repeating the offence.

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She's admitted her guilt,

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she's corrected the facts.

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She might even end up being a witness for the prosecution.

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I think we should drop the charges.

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If she'd told the truth, in the first place,

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about Spector's whereabouts,

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then we could have investigated him more closely and, perhaps,

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Rose Stagg would not have been put through the ordeal that she has.

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I just feel that pursuing her through the courts

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will likely have a very bad effect

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on her mental and physical health.

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Is prosecution really in the public interest?

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As Director of Public Prosecutions,

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I have to say, I think it is.

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How things will unfold with Spector is unclear.

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Prosecuting his wife sends a clear signal -

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we mean business and no-one involved will be getting off lightly.

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Sally Ann Spector miscarried in police custody.

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That's a devastating thing to happen to any woman,

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but particularly her.

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Her identity is wrapped up in her children

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and those that she cares for.

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She's perceived as an angel by the parents of the babies

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she looks after in the NICU.

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Now, it appears as if she's lost everything,

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her marriage,

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her work,

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her unborn child.

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She's paid a very high price for her naivety.

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I can't believe that, of all people,

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you are suggesting that we treat Sally Ann paternalistically.

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I say we move ahead with the charges

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and we can use them as leverage against Spector.

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I do think we need to bear in mind the seriousness of the offence.

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We accepted instructions on your behalf from your wife

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when you were unconscious.

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Today is an opportunity for you to say if you are happy for us

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to be representing you.

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I believe that the nature of your injuries has been explained to you?

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Yes.

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And you understand that you were in police custody when you were shot?

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Yes, but I still don't know why.

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No-one will tell me.

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An individual called James Tyler was responsible.

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I don't know who that is.

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-Why did he shoot me?

-I need to get more information from the police

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before I can explain that. The more pressing issue, Mr Spector,

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is that the police have charged you

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with a number of very serious crimes.

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I mean, the most serious crimes on the Statute Book.

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What crimes?

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A series of murders.

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What sort of murders?

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With your permission, let me take you through the police charge sheet.

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All the, er...alleged crimes took place in Belfast.

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The police claim that on the 10th day of December, 2011,

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you murdered University lecturer Fiona Gallagher

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in her home before fleeing the scene.

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Death by strangulation.

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That on the 15th of March, 2012,

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you murdered architect Alice Monroe in her home,

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strangling her with a ligature.

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They allege that you then washed and dried her body,

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before putting her back to bed and posing her body.

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That on the 16th of April, 2012,

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you murdered solicitor Sarah Kay in her home,

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strangling her with a ligature.

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They allege that you washed and dried Sarah's body -

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washed and dried her bedclothes...

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..painted her finger nails red,

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before posing her in her bed and taking photographs.

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Sarah Kay was pregnant at the time of her death.

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That four days later, on the 20th of April, 2012...

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..you attacked and strangled

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accountant Annie Brawley in her home.

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They claim that you...

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also murdered her brother Joseph Brawley

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when he tried to defend his sister -

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stabbing him three times with some decorating shears.

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You, then, fled the scene.

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Annie Brawley survived the attack.

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I don't recognise any of these people.

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I've never seen these people before.

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There's more.

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They allege that on May the 3rd,

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you abducted Rose Stagg from her home,

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imprisoned her unlawfully

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and detained her against her will.

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I know her.

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Rose what, who did you say?

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Stagg.

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Perhaps you know Mrs Stagg better as Rose McGill?

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Yes.

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But I haven't seen her in the last four years or so.

0:27:430:27:47

When did you last see her, do you think?

0:27:480:27:50

Early summer.

0:27:530:27:55

2002.

0:27:550:27:56

2002 is ten years ago, not four.

0:27:580:28:01

Have you been listening to the charges, Mr Spector?

0:28:010:28:04

It's May 2012.

0:28:040:28:06

I'm sorry.

0:28:100:28:11

I'm sorry.

0:28:120:28:13

What happened to Rose?

0:28:160:28:19

She's alive.

0:28:200:28:21

The police say you led them to her.

0:28:230:28:25

She was found in the boot of her own car.

0:28:250:28:28

The police suggest you left her trapped.

0:28:280:28:31

Left her to die.

0:28:310:28:33

Why would I do that to Rose?

0:28:380:28:40

WATER SPLASHES

0:28:540:28:56

FAUCET SQUEAKS

0:29:010:29:02

'The police say they have a confession.'

0:29:050:29:08

That you made a number of admissions.

0:29:080:29:10

I've, um...

0:29:120:29:13

no memory of that.

0:29:130:29:15

We think it makes sense for your first appearance in court

0:29:150:29:17

to be as soon as possible

0:29:170:29:18

because it will initiate the evidential disclosure process.

0:29:180:29:21

Will you be strong enough?

0:29:210:29:23

Once we are in receipt of those documents,

0:29:250:29:26

we will look at the detail of that confession

0:29:260:29:29

and take you through every bit of evidence against you,

0:29:290:29:31

every witness statement, page by page, line by line.

0:29:310:29:35

Is that all clear?

0:29:360:29:37

Yes.

0:29:400:29:41

Any questions?

0:29:430:29:44

I just need some time for it all to sink in.

0:29:500:29:52

Of course.

0:29:520:29:53

Do you know who that is?

0:29:570:29:59

No.

0:30:030:30:05

Should I?

0:30:060:30:08

If any memories relevant to the case return to you,

0:30:080:30:11

please contact Louise here.

0:30:110:30:13

We're here to help you, Mr Spector.

0:30:150:30:17

We will guide you through this.

0:30:190:30:21

Thank you.

0:30:210:30:22

TRAFFIC BUSTLE

0:30:470:30:49

KNOCK AT DOOR

0:31:100:31:12

Sorry, ma'am. Rose Stagg is here to see you.

0:31:120:31:15

Set up an interview room, Dani. I'd like you to sit in.

0:31:180:31:21

Of course.

0:31:210:31:23

I woke to find him in bed with me.

0:31:300:31:32

SHE GASPS AND SCUFFLES

0:31:320:31:34

MUFFLED CRIES

0:31:340:31:37

He took me downstairs,

0:31:370:31:39

his hand over my mouth,

0:31:390:31:41

took me into the kitchen.

0:31:410:31:43

Go on.

0:31:460:31:47

He used my name.

0:31:490:31:50

He called me Rose.

0:31:520:31:53

'I thought, perhaps, I recognised the voice.

0:31:590:32:02

'He said he didn't want to hurt me or my lovely family...

0:32:050:32:08

'..but that he would if I cried out.

0:32:100:32:12

'And then he released me.

0:32:160:32:17

'And when I turned round, I recognised him.

0:32:210:32:24

'What did you think in that moment?

0:32:280:32:30

'Just for a moment...

0:32:350:32:37

'..I thought that maybe it would be all right.

0:32:380:32:41

'That maybe it was a joke,

0:32:420:32:44

'a game.'

0:32:440:32:45

What did you say?

0:33:000:33:01

I just said, "Peter?"

0:33:030:33:06

He...

0:33:140:33:15

made me dress from clothes that were hanging in the utility room.

0:33:150:33:19

He made me write a note.

0:33:210:33:22

He told me what to put.

0:33:220:33:24

The house seemed so silent.

0:33:270:33:29

The sound of the pen on the paper

0:33:310:33:34

seemed really loud in my head.

0:33:340:33:36

Like a whooshing.

0:33:370:33:38

All I could think about was getting him out of there,

0:33:410:33:44

away from Nancy.

0:33:440:33:46

Did you resist him at all?

0:33:480:33:50

Er... I was numb.

0:33:520:33:54

I didn't really struggle until he was walking me

0:33:570:34:00

towards that awful building.

0:34:000:34:02

I thought, "If he takes me in there...

0:34:060:34:09

"..I'm going to die.

0:34:100:34:12

"I'm going to be the next victim."

0:34:150:34:17

That's when I tried to run.

0:34:190:34:21

But he was too strong.

0:34:240:34:26

He made tapes of you.

0:34:350:34:36

We found edited versions of those tapes on his phone.

0:34:380:34:41

You've seen them?

0:34:440:34:46

He tied me to a chair.

0:34:530:34:56

It was fixed to the ground.

0:34:560:34:58

And he sat behind the camera, so that when I looked at him,

0:35:000:35:03

I was looking directly into the lens.

0:35:030:35:06

He hardly spoke, he...

0:35:080:35:10

He just stared at me.

0:35:120:35:13

I tried everything I could to get through to him.

0:35:190:35:22

I begged him, I flattered him, I insulted him.

0:35:240:35:28

I tried to provoke him, even.

0:35:280:35:30

He didn't respond.

0:35:320:35:34

His eyes were open, but it was like he was in a trance.

0:35:360:35:39

Did he sexually assault you?

0:35:410:35:43

No.

0:35:450:35:46

I don't think so.

0:35:470:35:49

Did he perform sex acts on himself?

0:35:510:35:54

Did he masturbate in front of you?

0:35:540:35:55

No. Just the filming.

0:35:570:35:59

Are those healing all right?

0:36:050:36:06

I'm told I did it to myself.

0:36:100:36:12

I have no memory of that.

0:36:140:36:17

We found the broken lens from a pair of sunglasses

0:36:170:36:20

in the boot of your car.

0:36:200:36:22

Your blood was on them. There were no other fingerprints.

0:36:220:36:25

I can't work out if it's just marks...

0:36:290:36:32

..or if it's a message.

0:36:340:36:35

When I first saw it...

0:36:380:36:39

..it looked like an attempt to write "I love you".

0:36:400:36:44

Breathe.

0:36:540:36:56

ROSE GROANS

0:36:560:36:58

I always thought that I wanted...

0:37:060:37:10

..love and security.

0:37:110:37:12

Now I just

0:37:140:37:16

feel like I'm floating free...

0:37:160:37:19

..in a void.

0:37:210:37:22

SHE SNIFFS

0:37:240:37:26

Oh...

0:37:260:37:28

You have such a strong sense of purpose.

0:37:320:37:35

I feel like...

0:37:370:37:38

there's nothing beneath my feet right now, like...

0:37:380:37:41

..nothing to steady them.

0:37:430:37:45

It's as if I'm slightly drunk...!

0:37:500:37:52

Rose. Rose...

0:37:530:37:55

Remember...

0:37:580:37:59

..you survived.

0:38:000:38:01

You got through it.

0:38:050:38:07

It's in the past.

0:38:100:38:11

-TV:

-'Paul Spector, a 32-year-old bereavement counsellor

0:38:270:38:30

'from South Belfast charged with four counts of murder

0:38:300:38:34

'is due to make his first appearance in court today.

0:38:340:38:37

'The four female victims, all young professional women in their 30s,

0:38:370:38:41

'were attacked in their homes at night.

0:38:410:38:44

'Three of those women died of manual or ligature strangulation.

0:38:440:38:48

'Spector, a married man and a father of two,

0:38:490:38:51

'is also charged with the attempted murder of accountant Annie Brawley

0:38:510:38:55

'and the abduction and unlawful imprisonment

0:38:550:38:58

'of Belfast radiologist Rose Stagg...'

0:38:580:39:00

HE GROANS

0:39:170:39:19

HE SIGHS

0:39:190:39:21

I worry this is all too soon for you.

0:39:310:39:34

I'll be fine.

0:39:350:39:37

HUM OF CONVERSATION

0:39:480:39:51

CAR APPROACHES

0:39:540:39:56

REPORTERS MURMUR

0:39:580:40:00

Are you getting this? The victims' families...

0:40:000:40:03

Detective Superintendent Gibson!

0:40:030:40:04

The man you have in custody, will he be appearing in court today?

0:40:040:40:07

Will you be making a statement any time soon?

0:40:070:40:09

Chief Superintendent, is Spector appearing in person today?

0:40:090:40:12

-ENGINE TURNS

-Give us an update on the condition of Rose Stagg...

0:40:120:40:15

INDISTINCT CONVERSATION

0:40:320:40:34

Are you ready for this?

0:40:360:40:38

I'm a bit nervous, but, yeah.

0:40:380:40:40

Yeah, shall we head up, then?

0:40:400:40:42

-How are you?

-Not too bad...

0:40:430:40:44

TAPE RIPS

0:40:580:41:00

Stand there.

0:41:200:41:21

HANDCUFFS CLINK AND JANGLE

0:41:260:41:29

Look straight into that camera.

0:41:320:41:33

You will be able to see the judge and the legal teams.

0:41:330:41:37

Answer any questions clearly.

0:41:370:41:38

HUSHED CONVERSATION

0:41:500:41:53

The prosecution has suggested

0:41:570:41:59

we read the shortened version of the charge.

0:41:590:42:01

-Are you happy enough with that?

-Yeah, that's fine.

0:42:010:42:04

CLERK: All rise.

0:42:090:42:10

Thank you. Please sit.

0:42:170:42:19

Are you ready to proceed, ma'am?

0:42:240:42:26

I am.

0:42:280:42:29

Mr Spector, can you see and hear the proceedings?

0:42:330:42:37

Yes.

0:42:370:42:38

The charges against the accused are stated as four counts of murder,

0:42:380:42:42

one of attempted murder and one of abduction

0:42:420:42:46

and unlawful imprisonment.

0:42:460:42:49

'Can you confirm for the court that you are Peter Paul Spector?'

0:42:490:42:51

Yes.

0:42:530:42:54

'That your date of birth is the 25th May, 1979.'

0:42:540:42:57

That's correct.

0:42:570:42:59

And that you live at 64, Tiberias Drive, Belfast,

0:42:590:43:03

BT6 7KM?

0:43:030:43:05

'So I've been told.'

0:43:060:43:08

Why is he answering in that manner?

0:43:120:43:14

Ma'am, if I may.

0:43:140:43:16

My client has to answer in that manner

0:43:170:43:19

because he has suffered significant memory loss.

0:43:190:43:21

As you no doubt know, Mr Spector was shot while in police custody.

0:43:210:43:26

He lost his spleen as a result and was in a coma for some time.

0:43:260:43:31

The reason he is appearing from hospital

0:43:310:43:33

is that he is still being held there in intensive care.

0:43:330:43:36

I have written reports from the ICU Consultant, Dr Spencer,

0:43:360:43:40

and from the Consultant Neuropsychologist Dr Alison Walden,

0:43:400:43:44

that explain the nature and degree of my client's disability.

0:43:440:43:49

Dr Walden is approved under Part 2 of the Mental Health Order 1986.

0:43:490:43:54

There's information there about the treatment Mr Spector has undergone

0:43:540:43:59

and an account of his behaviour in hospital.

0:43:590:44:01

The memory loss, you will see,

0:44:010:44:03

covers a period of approximately six years

0:44:030:44:05

up to and including

0:44:050:44:07

the recent shooting.

0:44:070:44:09

One of the primary foundations of criminal law

0:44:090:44:12

is that all defendants are capable of actively participating

0:44:120:44:17

'in their defence.

0:44:170:44:19

'Mr Spector's amnesia prevents him from so doing.'

0:44:190:44:22

HE PANTS

0:44:220:44:24

'Whilst Mr Spector understands that he is in court

0:44:240:44:26

'and charged with a number of criminal offences

0:44:260:44:29

'and understands the nature and object

0:44:290:44:31

'and the possible consequences of the proceedings,'

0:44:310:44:33

he cannot enter a plea,

0:44:330:44:35

he cannot consult with or assist his lawyer,

0:44:350:44:38

he cannot give evidence in his own defence.

0:44:380:44:40

On that basis, I feel I need to raise the issue of competence

0:44:400:44:44

as to whether Mr Spector is fit to stand trial.

0:44:440:44:47

Mr Healy, let me stop you there.

0:44:470:44:49

The concerns you have raised are noted,

0:44:490:44:52

but you know as well as I do

0:44:520:44:53

that it's not a matter on which this court can adjudicate.

0:44:530:44:57

Mr Spector, do you understand that your case must be sent

0:45:010:45:05

'to Crown Court?'

0:45:050:45:07

Yes.

0:45:070:45:08

'Then you will be held on remand in hospital

0:45:090:45:12

'until arrangements can be made

0:45:120:45:14

'to transfer you to a secure psychiatric clinic

0:45:140:45:17

'where more tests can be done

0:45:170:45:20

'to determine the nature of your mental disability.'

0:45:200:45:23

HE BREATHES RAGGEDLY

0:45:230:45:25

SHOUTING AND CLAMOUR

0:45:360:45:40

That's the guy who's defending the murderer!

0:45:430:45:45

Mr Healy, how does it feel to be defending the Belfast Strangler?

0:45:450:45:47

The ALLEGED Belfast Strangler.

0:45:470:45:49

SHOUTING FADES

0:45:490:45:52

-TV:

-'Dressed in a blue sweatshirt and tracksuit bottoms,

0:45:550:45:58

'Mr Spector spoke only to confirm his name and date of birth

0:45:580:46:01

'during the ten-minute hearing,

0:46:010:46:02

'at that point proceedings took a bizarre twist

0:46:020:46:04

'as it became apparent that the alleged serial killer

0:46:040:46:07

'is suffering from significant memory loss.

0:46:070:46:10

'Mr Spector was remanded in custody to undergo further medical

0:46:100:46:13

'and psychiatric assessment.

0:46:130:46:14

'Following the hearing, the public prosecution service

0:46:140:46:17

'confirmed that Sally Ann Spector

0:46:170:46:19

'will appear in the Crown Court on Monday 2nd July

0:46:190:46:22

'to face charges of perverting the course of justice.

0:46:220:46:25

'The prosecution claims that Mr Spector's wife,

0:46:250:46:27

'provided her husband with false alibis.'

0:46:270:46:30

SIRENS WAIL

0:46:300:46:32

MOBILE RINGS

0:46:400:46:42

Gibson?

0:46:500:46:52

-MAN:

-'Superintendent Gibson?'

0:46:520:46:54

Yes.

0:46:540:46:56

'I'm August Larson.

0:46:560:46:57

'I'm the consultant psychiatrist

0:46:590:47:01

'who has been asked to assess Paul Spector.'

0:47:010:47:03

It's an odd time to be calling, Doctor.

0:47:060:47:08

Are you still working?

0:47:110:47:12

'Yes.'

0:47:130:47:14

Well, there you are.

0:47:140:47:16

Before he's moved here,

0:47:170:47:19

I need to determine the risk of violence towards himself

0:47:190:47:23

and others and plan his management.

0:47:230:47:25

Have you seen the list of crimes he's been charged with?

0:47:270:47:30

'I received that information from the court, yes.'

0:47:310:47:34

In my experience, a history of previous violence

0:47:380:47:41

is the best predictor for future violence

0:47:410:47:44

for someone whether they are mentally disordered or not.

0:47:440:47:48

'And Paul Spector is a violent sexual sadist.'

0:47:480:47:53

Why are you so kind to me?

0:48:000:48:02

If I've done the things that the...

0:48:060:48:08

police say I've done, then I'm a monster.

0:48:080:48:11

It's my job.

0:48:130:48:14

What?

0:48:200:48:22

It says in your notes that there were tears in your eyes

0:48:240:48:27

during your surgery.

0:48:270:48:29

That you were crying.

0:48:300:48:31

Was I?

0:48:350:48:37

Does that mean anything to you?

0:48:390:48:42

Perhaps...

0:48:460:48:47

I just...

0:48:490:48:51

..can't believe the memory loss is real.

0:48:520:48:54

He's just the sort of person who would feign amnesia

0:48:560:48:59

if he felt that there was something to be gained from it.

0:48:590:49:02

'Even just for the sheer delight of duping people,

0:49:020:49:06

'particularly experts.'

0:49:060:49:07

-HE SCOFFS

-Someone like me, for example?

0:49:070:49:11

'I'm just saying that, from my conversations with him,

0:49:120:49:15

'it seems to me that he exhibits,

0:49:150:49:16

'if anything, a superior memory for his violence.'

0:49:160:49:21

It's clear to me that he rehearsed the crimes in his mind

0:49:210:49:25

over and over.

0:49:250:49:27

They were heavily scripted.

0:49:280:49:30

And so, the crimes themselves were memorable

0:49:300:49:34

both in the way that they match the script

0:49:340:49:36

and in the way that they differ.

0:49:360:49:38

So, in my view, it's...

0:49:400:49:42

..extremely unlikely that he has...

0:49:430:49:45

'forgotten anything.'

0:49:450:49:47

Faced with memory loss,

0:49:470:49:49

there is only one way a clinician can go

0:49:490:49:53

and that is to investigate.

0:49:530:49:54

If we take him here,

0:49:560:49:58

then that is what I intend to do.

0:49:580:50:01

'If you have the time,

0:50:010:50:02

'I'd really appreciate getting a premorbid appraisal

0:50:020:50:05

'of Mr Spector from you.

0:50:050:50:07

'As someone who has had extensive dealings with him.'

0:50:070:50:10

Anything at all you can tell me about him would be extremely useful.

0:50:110:50:15

I'll help in any way I can.

0:50:180:50:20

'Thank you.

0:50:210:50:23

'Good night.'

0:50:240:50:25

Good night.

0:50:270:50:28

-SPECTOR:

-'Everything went dark.'

0:50:410:50:43

And did time seem to speed up or slow down?

0:50:440:50:47

It sped up.

0:50:490:50:50

I was rushing through a tunnel.

0:50:520:50:54

And did you see or feel surrounded by a brilliant light?

0:50:570:51:00

-There was a light.

-Can you describe it?

0:51:010:51:04

-Incredibly bright. Blinding.

-And hot?

0:51:070:51:10

No, not hot.

0:51:110:51:13

Did you come to a border or a point of no return?

0:51:150:51:18

There was a point. Um...

0:51:220:51:24

I felt I could have gone on.

0:51:240:51:26

But there were voices calling me back.

0:51:270:51:30

What voices?

0:51:300:51:32

My daughter.

0:51:330:51:34

Olivia.

0:51:340:51:36

'And was there anyone else there known to you,

0:52:040:52:07

'living or dead?'

0:52:070:52:08

Yes.

0:52:100:52:11

Who?

0:52:110:52:12

I think my mother.

0:52:180:52:19

And what happened?

0:52:210:52:22

How did you feel in her presence?

0:52:250:52:27

Afraid.

0:52:350:52:37

Did she speak to you?

0:52:380:52:40

She was calling me.

0:52:430:52:44

I think she wanted me to come to her.

0:52:460:52:49

Towards the light.

0:52:500:52:51

But there was other voices.

0:52:520:52:55

My daughter calling me back.

0:52:550:52:57

And did you want to come back to your body?

0:53:010:53:03

Come back to life?

0:53:030:53:05

No.

0:53:100:53:11

But I couldn't just abandon her.

0:53:140:53:16

Is that when you cried?

0:53:180:53:19

Hey.

0:53:250:53:26

Drink it all up.

0:53:350:53:37

Good girl.

0:53:420:53:43

You came close with dying.

0:54:200:54:22

What do you now understand death to be?

0:54:250:54:28

What does death mean to you now?

0:54:280:54:30

I know that life

0:54:340:54:35

is our only true possession.

0:54:350:54:37

And death?

0:54:400:54:41

-ANDERSON:

-'I've found a murder that looks promising.'

0:54:500:54:52

Really? The right initials?

0:54:520:54:55

That's not the connection.

0:54:550:54:56

A law student. Susan Harper.

0:54:560:54:59

Do you think she looks right?

0:55:000:55:01

-Yes, absolutely. Just a bit younger.

-21.

0:55:020:55:05

The only problem is there is someone doing time for it.

0:55:050:55:09

It's an individual called David Alvarez.

0:55:090:55:12

I remembered I saw his name yesterday on the list of children

0:55:120:55:15

who were in Gortnacull at the same time as Spector.

0:55:150:55:18

So, I've done some digging.

0:55:180:55:19

And they are one and the same.

0:55:190:55:22

The David Alvarez who's doing time for the murder

0:55:220:55:24

is the same David Alvarez

0:55:240:55:26

who was a fellow pupil of Spector's at the home.

0:55:260:55:29

Why was Alvarez convicted?

0:55:290:55:30

His DNA on her body.

0:55:300:55:33

A subsequent confession.

0:55:330:55:36

That's pretty conclusive.

0:55:360:55:37

What year is this?

0:55:390:55:40

August 2002.

0:55:400:55:43

In London.

0:55:440:55:46

Now, there's a gap in Spector's time-line.

0:55:470:55:50

We don't know where he was or what he was doing.

0:55:510:55:55

No, we don't.

0:55:560:55:58

SEA SWELLS AND BREAKS

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I'll see you in the morning.

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Try and get some sleep.

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I'll pray for you.

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