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-Welcome to Cadw Cwmni -with me, John Hardy. | 0:00:20 | 0:00:23 | |
-This series not only provides -a platform for your stories... | 0:00:23 | 0:00:27 | |
-..it also brings -a different perspective... | 0:00:27 | 0:00:30 | |
-..to some of our nation's -biggest historical events. | 0:00:30 | 0:00:34 | |
-Later we hear how Radio Ceiliog -promoted Welsh nationalism... | 0:00:34 | 0:00:38 | |
-..but first, -let me take you back 45 years... | 0:00:38 | 0:00:41 | |
-..when the eyes of the world... | 0:00:41 | 0:00:43 | |
-..were fixed -on the Investiture at Caernarfon. | 0:00:44 | 0:00:47 | |
-The Investiture -took place on 30 June 1969. | 0:00:53 | 0:00:58 | |
-Discussions had been held in Wales -since the 1950s. | 0:00:58 | 0:01:03 | |
-Calls came from Caernarfon -and elsewhere in Wales... | 0:01:03 | 0:01:08 | |
-..for Charles to be invested -as Prince of Wales. | 0:01:08 | 0:01:12 | |
-Cardiff was in the running... | 0:01:12 | 0:01:14 | |
-..since it was established as the -official capital of Wales in 1955. | 0:01:14 | 0:01:19 | |
-It prompted discontentment -in Caernarfon. | 0:01:19 | 0:01:24 | |
-But during -the Commonwealth Games of 1958... | 0:01:24 | 0:01:29 | |
-..the Queen declared.... | 0:01:30 | 0:01:32 | |
-..that Charles would be invested -as Prince of Wales in Caernarfon... | 0:01:32 | 0:01:36 | |
-..some time in the future. | 0:01:37 | 0:01:39 | |
-The town of Caernarfon itself... | 0:01:40 | 0:01:44 | |
-..incurred substantial costs -improving services... | 0:01:45 | 0:01:48 | |
-..to attract future tourists. | 0:01:49 | 0:01:51 | |
-The investiture -promised a rise in tourism... | 0:01:51 | 0:01:56 | |
-..not only for Caernarfon -but North Wales as a whole. | 0:01:56 | 0:02:01 | |
-Publicity surrounding the event... | 0:02:01 | 0:02:05 | |
-..focused on objection -to the investiture... | 0:02:05 | 0:02:08 | |
-..most notably -from the Welsh Language Society... | 0:02:08 | 0:02:11 | |
-..that had -gained momentum by 1967... | 0:02:11 | 0:02:14 | |
-..and turned its attention to -protesting against the investiture. | 0:02:14 | 0:02:19 | |
-It considered it a symbol -of English dominance over Wales... | 0:02:19 | 0:02:23 | |
-..which shocked -the Labour government of the time. | 0:02:23 | 0:02:27 | |
-Secretary of State for Wales -Cledwyn Hughes... | 0:02:27 | 0:02:31 | |
-..hadn't anticipated -this kind of objection. | 0:02:31 | 0:02:34 | |
-Two of those -present at the 1969 Investiture... | 0:02:38 | 0:02:42 | |
-..were Bobby Haines -and Elfyn Williams. | 0:02:42 | 0:02:44 | |
-A warm welcome to you both. | 0:02:45 | 0:02:47 | |
-Bobby, being a local lad, you were -intent on being there on the day? | 0:02:48 | 0:02:52 | |
-It hadn't crossed my mind -eight months before the investiture. | 0:02:53 | 0:02:58 | |
-I was employed -by Caernarfon Town Council... | 0:02:58 | 0:03:01 | |
-..and attended -the planning meetings. | 0:03:01 | 0:03:04 | |
-That's when I decided -I wanted to be present. | 0:03:05 | 0:03:08 | |
-There had been so much enthusiasm -surrounding the 1911 investiture... | 0:03:08 | 0:03:12 | |
-..for Edward VIII. | 0:03:13 | 0:03:15 | |
-Attending such an event would be -an unforgettable experience. | 0:03:15 | 0:03:21 | |
-Not everyone agreed, -but you were in favour of it? | 0:03:21 | 0:03:24 | |
-Yes, I have to admit, -I was in favour of it. | 0:03:25 | 0:03:29 | |
-I'd read accounts about 1911... | 0:03:29 | 0:03:32 | |
-..and all the thousands -who attended the investiture. | 0:03:32 | 0:03:36 | |
-It was a special occasion -for Caernarfon. | 0:03:36 | 0:03:40 | |
-As a policeman, Elfyn, -it was your duty to be there. | 0:03:40 | 0:03:44 | |
-Yes, and a year -prior to the investiture... | 0:03:45 | 0:03:47 | |
-..I was sent -to Shrewsbury for a year.... | 0:03:48 | 0:03:52 | |
-..to the special office -that was created in September 1968. | 0:03:52 | 0:03:57 | |
-It was the first time I'd come face -to face with political policemen... | 0:03:57 | 0:04:02 | |
-..whose job it was to police -an area outside of Wales... | 0:04:02 | 0:04:06 | |
-..that was run by neither -a Welshman or an Englishman... | 0:04:07 | 0:04:11 | |
-..but a Scotsman -by the name of Jock Wilson. | 0:04:11 | 0:04:14 | |
-As part of my job, he sent me -to police the investiture. | 0:04:14 | 0:04:20 | |
-I think I'm correct in saying I was -the only Welsh-speaking policeman... | 0:04:20 | 0:04:25 | |
-..from Special Branch -at the castle... | 0:04:25 | 0:04:29 | |
-..because George Thomas didn't -trust the Welsh-speaking Welshmen... | 0:04:29 | 0:04:34 | |
-..of the North Wales police force. | 0:04:34 | 0:04:39 | |
-You say they didn't trust -the North Wales police. | 0:04:39 | 0:04:43 | |
-Were you vetted beforehand? | 0:04:43 | 0:04:47 | |
-We were officially vetted -by Scotland Yard... | 0:04:47 | 0:04:52 | |
-..before taking the job. | 0:04:52 | 0:04:54 | |
-But I got in via the back door, -through my Shrewsbury association. | 0:04:54 | 0:04:59 | |
-The Special Branch officers -in the castle were all from London. | 0:04:59 | 0:05:04 | |
-There were rows and rows of them -behind the dais. | 0:05:04 | 0:05:09 | |
-There was a gun -at the end of each line. | 0:05:09 | 0:05:12 | |
-Were you aware -of the security surrounding you? | 0:05:13 | 0:05:16 | |
-Some had objected to it. | 0:05:17 | 0:05:19 | |
-Everybody was cautious -that things were done correctly. | 0:05:19 | 0:05:24 | |
-There was -considerable hostility from some... | 0:05:24 | 0:05:27 | |
-..towards this special occasion. | 0:05:28 | 0:05:32 | |
-You must've had a list, Elfyn. | 0:05:32 | 0:05:34 | |
-Yes, we did. | 0:05:34 | 0:05:36 | |
-Every person present -had been vetted. | 0:05:37 | 0:05:40 | |
-You must've had -your most-wanted list. | 0:05:40 | 0:05:44 | |
-Yes, we did. | 0:05:44 | 0:05:46 | |
-Can you disclose who some of -them were? Are they famous people? | 0:05:46 | 0:05:50 | |
-One or two of them are famous now. | 0:05:51 | 0:05:54 | |
-Are they politicians? | 0:05:56 | 0:05:58 | |
-The majority -were political nationalists. | 0:05:59 | 0:06:03 | |
-Various groups had been formed. | 0:06:03 | 0:06:07 | |
-We kept an eye on them, -monitored them. | 0:06:07 | 0:06:11 | |
-There were no incidents on the day. | 0:06:11 | 0:06:15 | |
-I was very pleased about that. | 0:06:16 | 0:06:18 | |
-Did you have any problems? -Did you prevent anyone entering? | 0:06:19 | 0:06:23 | |
-There was one incident... | 0:06:24 | 0:06:26 | |
-..although I was unaware that -everybody attending had been vetted. | 0:06:26 | 0:06:31 | |
-A bogus -member of the press entered... | 0:06:31 | 0:06:34 | |
-..and presented his ticket, -and a friend beside me... | 0:06:34 | 0:06:38 | |
-..looked at this man's ticket -and turned to me and said... | 0:06:38 | 0:06:42 | |
-.."Are you happy with this?" | 0:06:43 | 0:06:45 | |
-I could see there was -something wrong with the ticket. | 0:06:45 | 0:06:49 | |
-A police officer from London -was the other side of Dennis. | 0:06:49 | 0:06:53 | |
-We handed him the ticket and -said, "We're not happy with this." | 0:06:53 | 0:06:57 | |
-He looked at the ticket, -then the man. | 0:06:57 | 0:07:00 | |
-"You're here?" The man said, "Yes." | 0:07:01 | 0:07:04 | |
-"Come with me," he said. | 0:07:04 | 0:07:06 | |
-The man was taken... | 0:07:06 | 0:07:09 | |
-..to a little cubby hole -next to the entrance. | 0:07:09 | 0:07:12 | |
-We didn't see him after that. | 0:07:12 | 0:07:14 | |
-We didn't see him after that. - -I was in my teens at the time... | 0:07:14 | 0:07:17 | |
-..and living in the area. | 0:07:18 | 0:07:20 | |
-I recall -that very little fuss was made. | 0:07:20 | 0:07:23 | |
-Everything -had been carefully organized. | 0:07:24 | 0:07:27 | |
-It was -a big occasion for Caernarfon. | 0:07:27 | 0:07:30 | |
-It was a momentous occasion. | 0:07:30 | 0:07:34 | |
-You have to remember, -on the morning of the investiture... | 0:07:34 | 0:07:38 | |
-..two men were killed near Abergele. | 0:07:39 | 0:07:41 | |
-It was tragic. | 0:07:44 | 0:07:47 | |
-That night, -when the investiture was over... | 0:07:47 | 0:07:51 | |
-..another man, a soldier, -was killed in Caernarfon Quay. | 0:07:52 | 0:07:56 | |
-So many things could've gone wrong. | 0:07:57 | 0:08:00 | |
-Indeed. | 0:08:00 | 0:08:02 | |
-A bomb planted -behind the Chief Constable's home... | 0:08:02 | 0:08:06 | |
-..was detonated at 2.00pm. | 0:08:06 | 0:08:08 | |
-We couldn't understand -where the noise had come from. | 0:08:08 | 0:08:12 | |
-The guns -were meant to fire a salute... | 0:08:12 | 0:08:16 | |
-..over the estuary. | 0:08:17 | 0:08:20 | |
-We thought a soldier -had fired his gun by mistake... | 0:08:20 | 0:08:24 | |
-..when, in fact, it was a bomb. | 0:08:24 | 0:08:27 | |
-The bomber himself -was at the investiture. | 0:08:27 | 0:08:30 | |
-He was with the Dental Corps. | 0:08:30 | 0:08:33 | |
-That's another story, but he was -camping across the estuary... | 0:08:33 | 0:08:38 | |
-..waiting for his moment to strike. | 0:08:38 | 0:08:41 | |
-People usually pick up souvenirs -of various events... | 0:08:42 | 0:08:45 | |
-..but I'm surprised -you swiped the cushion! | 0:08:46 | 0:08:49 | |
-This is it. | 0:08:49 | 0:08:51 | |
-There were thousands of these -on special chairs that day... | 0:08:53 | 0:08:57 | |
-..that had been dressed -for the investiture. | 0:08:57 | 0:09:01 | |
-To keep costs to a minimum... | 0:09:01 | 0:09:04 | |
-..they decided to sell these chairs. | 0:09:04 | 0:09:07 | |
-I have one myself -and this is the cushion. | 0:09:07 | 0:09:10 | |
-So you bought the chair -and the cushion? | 0:09:10 | 0:09:13 | |
-Like they did -with the Olympic Torch! | 0:09:14 | 0:09:17 | |
-This is a souvenir. | 0:09:18 | 0:09:20 | |
-Believe it or not, -Prince Charles has sat on this. | 0:09:20 | 0:09:23 | |
-Yes, he sat on this very cushion. | 0:09:24 | 0:09:27 | |
-How much did you pay for it? | 0:09:28 | 0:09:30 | |
-I got it for free. | 0:09:30 | 0:09:32 | |
-What about the chair? | 0:09:34 | 0:09:36 | |
-My friend -lent me the chair 20 years ago. | 0:09:36 | 0:09:40 | |
-Once it came through the front -door, I said to Margaret... | 0:09:40 | 0:09:45 | |
-..who's a royalist... | 0:09:45 | 0:09:47 | |
-.."This chair -isn't leaving this house before me!" | 0:09:47 | 0:09:51 | |
-How did Prince Charles -come to sit on it? | 0:09:52 | 0:09:55 | |
-He'd come to Caernarfon. | 0:09:55 | 0:09:58 | |
-He'd been to a service -at St Mary's Church. | 0:09:58 | 0:10:02 | |
-He suffers with a sore back -from horse riding. | 0:10:02 | 0:10:06 | |
-He needed a cushion for support. | 0:10:06 | 0:10:09 | |
-I said, "I've a cushion at home," -so I took it to the church. | 0:10:09 | 0:10:13 | |
-I was very active -in St Mary's Church back then. | 0:10:13 | 0:10:17 | |
-Prince Charles sat on this cushion. | 0:10:17 | 0:10:19 | |
-And you haven't washed it since! | 0:10:20 | 0:10:22 | |
-Evidently not! | 0:10:22 | 0:10:24 | |
-I think you can put it away now. | 0:10:26 | 0:10:30 | |
-Thank you for joining me... | 0:10:30 | 0:10:32 | |
-..and taking us back 45 years... | 0:10:32 | 0:10:36 | |
-..to that momentous day -in Caernarfon. | 0:10:36 | 0:10:40 | |
-It's time for a break now. | 0:10:40 | 0:10:42 | |
-Join me in Part 2 to hear about -Radio Ceiliog's pirate broadcasts. | 0:10:42 | 0:10:47 | |
-See you in two minutes. | 0:10:47 | 0:10:49 | |
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-Subtitles | 0:10:54 | 0:10:54 | |
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-Welcome back to Cadw Cwmni. | 0:10:57 | 0:10:59 | |
-In Part 1, we heard about -the 1969 Investiture... | 0:10:59 | 0:11:02 | |
-..an occasion well known to us all. | 0:11:03 | 0:11:05 | |
-But how many of you -are conversant with Radio Ceiliog... | 0:11:05 | 0:11:09 | |
-..and its messages of nationalism? | 0:11:09 | 0:11:12 | |
-# "The March of the Men of Harlech" -- Joseph Barnby | 0:11:12 | 0:11:16 | |
-"This is Radio Cymru. | 0:11:18 | 0:11:20 | |
-"This is the voice of Free Wales." | 0:11:20 | 0:11:24 | |
-"From a secret location -close to the Eisteddfod ground... | 0:11:24 | 0:11:28 | |
-"..a Radio Wales broadcast was aired -for the first time on Monday night. | 0:11:28 | 0:11:32 | |
-"We were invited -to get involved and meet the crew. | 0:11:32 | 0:11:36 | |
-"In an old Standard 9, which sounded -as if it were about to break down... | 0:11:36 | 0:11:41 | |
-"..we were taken to -an ordinary-looking house. | 0:11:41 | 0:11:43 | |
-"At the kitchen table -sat five young men... | 0:11:44 | 0:11:47 | |
-"..and a housewife -sat in front of the fire. | 0:11:47 | 0:11:50 | |
-"On a table beside the television -set were two little machines. | 0:11:50 | 0:11:55 | |
-"A recording machine -and a radio transmitter. | 0:11:55 | 0:11:58 | |
-"The transmitter was attached -to the television aerial. | 0:11:58 | 0:12:03 | |
-"That was the -technological equipment required... | 0:12:03 | 0:12:06 | |
-"..to broadcast the message on Radio -Wales over a distance of 12 miles." | 0:12:07 | 0:12:11 | |
-I must admit how little I knew -of Radio Ceiliog (Radio Cockerel)... | 0:12:14 | 0:12:19 | |
-..before my next guest -drew my attention to it. | 0:12:19 | 0:12:22 | |
-Phillip Lloyd, welcome. | 0:12:22 | 0:12:25 | |
-Let's start from the very beginning. -Why was Radio Ceiliog necessary? | 0:12:26 | 0:12:29 | |
-The story begins in 1952... | 0:12:30 | 0:12:34 | |
-..with the establishment... | 0:12:35 | 0:12:37 | |
-..of the Broadcasting Councils -for Wales and Scotland. | 0:12:37 | 0:12:41 | |
-The agendas of both countries -were very similar. | 0:12:41 | 0:12:45 | |
-The two councils were created... | 0:12:46 | 0:12:49 | |
-..to oversee -the Welsh Home Service... | 0:12:49 | 0:12:53 | |
-..and the Scottish Home Service... | 0:12:53 | 0:12:56 | |
-..under the BBC's charter. | 0:12:56 | 0:12:59 | |
-The Broadcasting Council -for Wales... | 0:12:59 | 0:13:02 | |
-..under the chairmanship -of Lord Macdonald... | 0:13:02 | 0:13:06 | |
-..a former Labour politician and -the last governor of Newfoundland... | 0:13:06 | 0:13:11 | |
-..decided that its command -of the Welsh Home Service... | 0:13:11 | 0:13:16 | |
-..would cater for the Welsh nation's -tastes, culture and interests... | 0:13:16 | 0:13:21 | |
-..including politics. | 0:13:21 | 0:13:24 | |
-Back then, if a political party -held 50 seats... | 0:13:24 | 0:13:30 | |
-..out of a total of 600 -in the United Kingdom as a whole... | 0:13:30 | 0:13:35 | |
-..they were allocated -broadcast time. | 0:13:35 | 0:13:38 | |
-Lord Macdonald -and his council decided... | 0:13:38 | 0:13:41 | |
-..to apply that rule to Wales. | 0:13:41 | 0:13:44 | |
-Every party -that had contested three seats... | 0:13:44 | 0:13:48 | |
-..in the previous -general election... | 0:13:48 | 0:13:51 | |
-..adhered to -the one-in-12 criteria... | 0:13:51 | 0:13:54 | |
-..which was the same -for all constituencies in the UK. | 0:13:54 | 0:13:58 | |
-They invited four parties... | 0:13:58 | 0:14:01 | |
-..namely Labour, the Tories, -Plaid Cymru and the Liberals... | 0:14:01 | 0:14:06 | |
-..to meet -and discuss the possibility... | 0:14:06 | 0:14:09 | |
-..of giving every party 15 minutes -of air time every six months. | 0:14:09 | 0:14:14 | |
-The four parties convened, -as agreed. | 0:14:14 | 0:14:17 | |
-I don't know what happened in secret -during the months that followed... | 0:14:17 | 0:14:23 | |
-..but the eventual outcome -saw Dr Charles Hill... | 0:14:24 | 0:14:28 | |
-..become the mouthpiece -for the Tory government... | 0:14:29 | 0:14:33 | |
-..and the Labour Opposition... | 0:14:34 | 0:14:36 | |
-..declaring -that it wasn't the responsibility... | 0:14:36 | 0:14:39 | |
-..of the Welsh Broadcasting Council -to allow politics any air time. | 0:14:40 | 0:14:45 | |
-So Lord Macdonald -and his council's plans were vetoed. | 0:14:45 | 0:14:50 | |
-However, consent was given -to the three other parties... | 0:14:51 | 0:14:56 | |
-..the major parties... | 0:14:56 | 0:14:58 | |
-..to continue -with party political broadcasts... | 0:14:58 | 0:15:02 | |
-..throughout Britain. | 0:15:02 | 0:15:06 | |
-So Plaid Cymru didn't have a voice -as a result of these new rules? | 0:15:06 | 0:15:11 | |
-I presume that -several activists got together... | 0:15:11 | 0:15:14 | |
-..to create Radio Ceiliog? | 0:15:14 | 0:15:17 | |
-Are we talking about the 1950s here? | 0:15:18 | 0:15:20 | |
-It was the 1960s by then. | 0:15:21 | 0:15:23 | |
-You've already -shown stills from Y Cymro... | 0:15:23 | 0:15:26 | |
-..of that group -in a house in Llangefni. | 0:15:27 | 0:15:29 | |
-The Standard 9... | 0:15:30 | 0:15:32 | |
-..that sounded as if it were -about to break down was my car! | 0:15:32 | 0:15:37 | |
-I sold it for five pounds -a few months afterwards. | 0:15:37 | 0:15:40 | |
-It was an old banger. | 0:15:41 | 0:15:43 | |
-My baptism of fire came... | 0:15:43 | 0:15:45 | |
-..when I was asked to take -Geoff Charles and his reporter... | 0:15:45 | 0:15:51 | |
-..to that house in Llangefni. | 0:15:51 | 0:15:53 | |
-I'm from the Rhymney Valley, myself. | 0:15:53 | 0:15:56 | |
-I was a young teacher... | 0:15:56 | 0:15:58 | |
-..returning to my parents' home -in Bargoed for a break... | 0:15:58 | 0:16:02 | |
-..when I came across a bunch of -non-Welsh-speaking nationalists... | 0:16:02 | 0:16:07 | |
-..who were -fiercely patriotic about Wales. | 0:16:07 | 0:16:10 | |
-That's when the East Glamorgan -Station came into being. | 0:16:11 | 0:16:15 | |
-That was my involvement in it. | 0:16:15 | 0:16:17 | |
-I've enquired among friends... | 0:16:17 | 0:16:20 | |
-..and one of them, -Berian Williams from Hirwaun... | 0:16:20 | 0:16:24 | |
-..would prepare audio tapes -to distribute around Wales. | 0:16:24 | 0:16:29 | |
-I went on more than one occasion to -Merthyr, the Rhondda and Cardiff... | 0:16:29 | 0:16:35 | |
-..to help Radio Ceiliog -broadcast its message. | 0:16:35 | 0:16:38 | |
-Meic Stephens, the literary writer, -not the musician... | 0:16:38 | 0:16:43 | |
-..lived in a large house in Merthyr. | 0:16:43 | 0:16:46 | |
-Many nationalists -used the house for their purposes. | 0:16:46 | 0:16:51 | |
-I remember there was a knock -at the door late one night. | 0:16:51 | 0:16:55 | |
-It was a policeman calling by -for a fag, a cup of tea and a chat. | 0:16:55 | 0:17:00 | |
-He was downstairs... | 0:17:00 | 0:17:02 | |
-..with Meic Stephens, -Glyn James and Harri Webb... | 0:17:02 | 0:17:06 | |
-..keeping this policeman company... | 0:17:06 | 0:17:09 | |
-..while the others were upstairs... | 0:17:09 | 0:17:12 | |
-..recording a radio broadcast. | 0:17:13 | 0:17:16 | |
-This was completely illegal -at the time. | 0:17:16 | 0:17:19 | |
-How often would you broadcast? | 0:17:19 | 0:17:22 | |
-Quite a bit -during 1961, 1962 and 1963. | 0:17:22 | 0:17:26 | |
-Although it was -illegal and unofficial... | 0:17:26 | 0:17:29 | |
-..we were merely -showing our support for Plaid Cymru. | 0:17:30 | 0:17:33 | |
-But everyone knew -who this Mr Jones was in Llangefni! | 0:17:34 | 0:17:39 | |
-There could've been -adverse consequences... | 0:17:40 | 0:17:43 | |
-..such as a 100 fine... | 0:17:43 | 0:17:45 | |
-..a three-month prison sentence, -or both... | 0:17:45 | 0:17:49 | |
-..for vetoing the BBC's monopoly. | 0:17:49 | 0:17:52 | |
-Radio Caroline and Radio Luxembourg -were doing just that. | 0:17:53 | 0:17:57 | |
-They were challenging -the BBC's monopoly. | 0:17:57 | 0:18:00 | |
-This is interesting. | 0:18:00 | 0:18:02 | |
-So people tuned in -to Radio Ceiliog... | 0:18:03 | 0:18:06 | |
-..via their television set? | 0:18:06 | 0:18:08 | |
-Yes, that's right. | 0:18:08 | 0:18:10 | |
-It was completely impromptu? | 0:18:10 | 0:18:13 | |
-You just popped up -at the end of the night... | 0:18:13 | 0:18:16 | |
-..before the white spot appeared? | 0:18:16 | 0:18:19 | |
-Yes, and Berian Williams, who made -and distributed these audio tapes... | 0:18:19 | 0:18:24 | |
-..knew that the programme ended -with Mae Hen Wlad Fy Nhadau... | 0:18:25 | 0:18:30 | |
-..and was worried that it'd allow -BBC technicians enough time... | 0:18:30 | 0:18:35 | |
-..if they were truly after us, -to track us down. | 0:18:36 | 0:18:39 | |
-So the anthem -was subsequently dropped! | 0:18:39 | 0:18:42 | |
-How long did it last? | 0:18:42 | 0:18:45 | |
-As the photograph -from Y Cymro shows... | 0:18:46 | 0:18:49 | |
-..I witnessed -the first ever broadcast... | 0:18:49 | 0:18:53 | |
-..in that house -in Llangefni in 1961. | 0:18:53 | 0:18:57 | |
-Although the pirate broadcasts -were illegal and unofficial... | 0:18:57 | 0:19:02 | |
-..there's proof that -the London branch of Plaid Cymru... | 0:19:02 | 0:19:08 | |
-..took responsibility -for the broadcasts in Hampstead... | 0:19:08 | 0:19:13 | |
-..which was the constituency... | 0:19:13 | 0:19:16 | |
-..of Henry Brooke, -the Minister of Welsh Affairs. | 0:19:16 | 0:19:20 | |
-But, of course, by 1965... | 0:19:20 | 0:19:23 | |
-..we were allocated five minutes -a year of air time on radio... | 0:19:23 | 0:19:28 | |
-..and a further -five minutes a year on television. | 0:19:28 | 0:19:31 | |
-So, in one respect, -you filled the void... | 0:19:32 | 0:19:35 | |
-..until Plaid Cymru -was officially acknowledged... | 0:19:35 | 0:19:40 | |
-..and you felt your work was done? | 0:19:40 | 0:19:43 | |
-Yes, that's right. | 0:19:43 | 0:19:45 | |
-Did you -ever come close to being caught? | 0:19:46 | 0:19:48 | |
-I don't know. I don't know -how much influence it had on voters. | 0:19:49 | 0:19:54 | |
-In actual fact, Plaid Cymru -received fewer votes in 1964. | 0:19:54 | 0:19:59 | |
-No-one knows -the exact reason for that. | 0:20:01 | 0:20:04 | |
-There were more candidates -but fewer votes. | 0:20:04 | 0:20:07 | |
-Gwynfor -expressed his disappointment. | 0:20:07 | 0:20:10 | |
-Nothing can ever replace -direct publicity. | 0:20:10 | 0:20:15 | |
-Being interrogated on television, -for example. | 0:20:16 | 0:20:20 | |
-How political -were the broadcasts? | 0:20:20 | 0:20:23 | |
-In our English-language broadcasts -from the Rhymney Valley... | 0:20:23 | 0:20:28 | |
-..the East Glamorgan Station... | 0:20:28 | 0:20:31 | |
-..I'm certain -we emphasized the injustice... | 0:20:31 | 0:20:35 | |
-..of Plaid Cymru -not being allocated air time. | 0:20:35 | 0:20:38 | |
-I can't speak about the programmes' -content in other areas. | 0:20:38 | 0:20:42 | |
-I know Gwynfor Evans spoke in Welsh -in some areas and English in others. | 0:20:43 | 0:20:48 | |
-But although we were still reeling -from the injustice of it all... | 0:20:48 | 0:20:53 | |
-..in our -English-language broadcast... | 0:20:54 | 0:20:57 | |
-..Emrys Roberts, -the Plaid Cymru candidate... | 0:20:57 | 0:21:01 | |
-..and Labour's Michael Foot... | 0:21:01 | 0:21:04 | |
-..some time after -Aneurin Bevan's death... | 0:21:04 | 0:21:07 | |
-..were publicly -discussing politics on the radio. | 0:21:07 | 0:21:11 | |
-So Radio Ceiliog was bilingual? | 0:21:11 | 0:21:15 | |
-Yes, well, as I said, -our broadcasts were in English. | 0:21:15 | 0:21:20 | |
-Gwynfor -gave an English-language address... | 0:21:20 | 0:21:24 | |
-..although -there was a Welsh one available... | 0:21:24 | 0:21:27 | |
-..but once again, in that -Llangefni broadcast in 1959... | 0:21:28 | 0:21:34 | |
-..it went, "Peidiwch a diffodd -eich teledu, here is Radio Wales." | 0:21:34 | 0:21:40 | |
-I can't remember -as far back as that... | 0:21:40 | 0:21:43 | |
-..but I'm not -doubting the narrator's words. | 0:21:43 | 0:21:47 | |
-Did people -respond to these broadcasts? | 0:21:47 | 0:21:50 | |
-No, because how could we -ask people on the street... | 0:21:50 | 0:21:57 | |
-..to respond to -an illegal pirate broadcast? | 0:21:57 | 0:22:02 | |
-Interesting. | 0:22:02 | 0:22:04 | |
-There are so many stories -emanating from the early 1960s... | 0:22:04 | 0:22:09 | |
-..that are romanticized, but -I haven't heard this one before. | 0:22:09 | 0:22:14 | |
-We're grateful to you... | 0:22:14 | 0:22:16 | |
-..for bringing Radio Ceiliog -to our attention. | 0:22:16 | 0:22:20 | |
-This won't be used -as evidence against us, I hope? | 0:22:20 | 0:22:24 | |
-I very much hope not. | 0:22:25 | 0:22:27 | |
-These are merely allegations, -of course. It's all been lies! | 0:22:28 | 0:22:32 | |
-Phillip has drawn our attention -to Radio Ceiliog's history. | 0:22:32 | 0:22:36 | |
-If you've a story to tell... | 0:22:36 | 0:22:38 | |
-..this programme provides -a platform for them to be heard. | 0:22:38 | 0:22:42 | |
-Do get in touch. | 0:22:42 | 0:22:44 | |
-Until next time, goodbye. | 0:22:44 | 0:22:46 | |
-S4C Subtitles by Adnod Cyf. | 0:23:05 | 0:23:07 | |
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