Edwin ac Eirian Jones, Carrog Cefn Gwlad


Edwin ac Eirian Jones, Carrog

Yn rhaglen gynta'r gyfres newydd, bydd Dai Jones, Llanilar yn ymweld ag Edwin ac Eirian Jones, Carrog. Dai Jones, Llanilar visits Edwin and Eirian Jones, Ty Mawr, Carrog, near C...


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-# By Dee's deep river bank so fair

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-# A fair maid sat lamenting #

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-I'm also privileged

-to be on the banks of the Dee...

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-..on a sunny July afternoon.

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-I'm on my way

-to Carrog near Corwen...

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-..to visit Ty Mawr Farm,

-the home of Edwin and Eirian Jones.

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-Eirian hails from here.

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-Both have retired from teaching...

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-..and have come back to Carrog.

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-I'm on my way, and I can't tell you

-how much I'm looking forward to it.

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-Ty Mawr Farm echoes

-to the sound of the railway...

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-..between the Dee

-and Llantysilio Mountain...

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-..and a stone's throw

-from the village of Carrog.

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-Although Edwin and Eirian

-now farm here at Ty Mawr...

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-..Eisteddfod-goers know them better

-as Edwin Llwyfan and Eirian Carrog.

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-The Carrog area is rich in history,

-especially that of Owain Glyndwr.

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-Across the river is Carrog Uchaf,

-his former home.

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-To learn more about the area...

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-..my journey started

-in an unusual location for me.

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-The weekly aerobics class

-at Carrog's community centre...

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-..with Eirian Jones.

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-Are you joining us this morning?

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-Are you joining us this morning?

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-Yes, if it's not too complicated.

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-No, Dai, it really isn't.

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-I didn't know she had legs.

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-Warming up? I'm boiling!

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-When do we have a sit-down?

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-Not yet.

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-The sit-down comes at the end.

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-Last time.

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-Good morning.

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-Good morning!

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-Well, Eirian, this certainly

-impacts on you physically.

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-Do you feel better for it?

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-Oh, certainly, yes.

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-It also adds to the daily paces

-to keep you fit as well.

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-It's great.

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-As a group, I'm sure that we could

-carry on for about two hours.

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-But this session is an hour.

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-You have retired and come home.

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-It's wonderful that the village

-where you grew up...

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-..can offer you

-a happy and fulfilling life.

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-That's what I missed

-after 38 years as a teacher.

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-This community.

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-I felt that I no longer knew

-this group of people.

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-Now, I'm back among them.

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-It's great to be here.

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-They're characters,

-many of them having moved here.

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-But they've blended into the area,

-socially in any case.

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-It's my first visit to Carrog.

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-It's lovely and sunny today.

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-It's always like this in Carrog,

-Dai, summer and winter.

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-No, actually, it isn't.

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-Let's explain where we are.

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-We're between Corwen and Llangollen.

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-Corwen is about three miles away

-and it's seven to Llangollen.

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-Then it's about ten miles to Ruthin.

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-It's a lovely spot.

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-What kept the village alive

-in the old days?

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-Work, I'd say. Farming.

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-I wouldn't say

-it's exceptionally good land...

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-..apart from the meadows

-by the river.

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-But there were quarries.

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-The last quarry closed

-in the late '50s, early '60s.

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-But if you could turn

-and look that way...

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-I'm back in class!

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-That's Penarth quarry.

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-That's Penarth quarry.

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-I see.

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-But it was a brittle

-and dangerous slate.

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-Up that way, beyond the tree,

-was Craig Susan quarry.

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-Who Susan was, I don't know.

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-But she must have been

-someone special.

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-But the best quarry was over

-the ridge behind Glyndyfrdwy.

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-That was a proper quarry.

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-I think about a thousand men

-worked there.

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-The chapels and the church

-must have been packed at that time.

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-Oh, yes.

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-I remember three chapels here

-during my lifetime.

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-Only one remains,

-with about 30 members.

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-From three chapels to 30 people.

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-The times they are a-changing.

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-The times they are a-changing.

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-A big change, yes.

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-Had we lived here

-just before 1400...

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-..you would have heard Owain Glyndwr

-and his local army.

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-This is where his fighters were.

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-From here, just over the Dee...

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-..he would set out on raids

-against Lord Grey of Ruthin.

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-Over the hills, over Bryncoch...

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-Down in the valley over there...

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-..the community

-has erected a memorial to him.

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-His prison was down in that area.

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-They say that there was a ford

-across the Dee at that time.

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-They used to bring prisoners

-across the river over that ford.

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-It was a substantial prison.

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-Is this your chapel, Eirian?

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-Yes, but I'm not

-a denominationalist.

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-But yes, this is where I worship.

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-I've been a deacon for some years,

-like my father before me...

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-..while my mother led the singing

-and played the organ.

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-I also teach at Sunday school...

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-..aided by Aerona,

-or maybe it's me who helps her.

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-Like many others,

-you must think the world of it.

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-Yes, Dai, but as I said,

-I'm not a denominationalist.

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-I increasingly feel

-that we should become more united.

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-Unlike his wife,

-Edwin has no farming background.

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-But he has settled into farming

-back home at Ty Mawr.

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-Your wife is the local girl,

-but where are you from?

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-Yes, Ty Mawr is the wife's home.

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-I'm originally

-from Penrhyndeudraeth.

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-I moved to Mold,

-to Ysgol Maes Garmon, in 1975...

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-..and got married here in 1981.

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-I've been here ever since.

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-And you taught

-alongside your wife...

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-..who happened to be

-at the same school.

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-She did, and we travelled

-in the same car every day.

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-We did have the odd day...

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-..when she was putting the world

-to rights all the way home...

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-..while I just drove quietly.

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-But we had a great time

-working together, to be honest.

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-When you retired here,

-farming was new to you.

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-Completely new. Totally new.

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-I remember sitting

-in Ty Nant field over there...

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-An ewe was giving birth,

-and the lamb was halfway out.

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-I had no idea what to do.

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-I sat there

-until Eirian's father came...

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-..and pulled the lamb.

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-Yes, I was that ignorant.

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-But I must congratulate you.

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-This farm is a pleasure to behold.

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-Things are going pretty well.

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-I'm very reliant

-on the farmhand, mind you.

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-We've harvested the big bales.

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-They're done,

-and if the weather holds...

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-..we hope to get some spare bales.

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-A couple of miles from Carrog

-is the historic town of Corwen.

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-In the centre is a memorial

-of great local significance.

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-This is quite a statue.

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-Yes, and we're very proud

-of it locally.

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-Do you remember the small one?

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-I have some memory of it, yes.

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-That was the butt of ridicule.

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-But once this came,

-everyone has delighted in it.

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-With the soldier's face,

-and the spurs...

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-..driving the horse,

-it's so realistic.

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-He's as alive today as he ever was.

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-Another of Eirian's hobbies

-is bowls.

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-As it so happens, the club

-is convenient for the town centre.

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-You're lucky not to be playing them

-because they're exceptionally good.

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-Then again, maybe you are too.

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-Start with the thumb on this side.

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-Is that OK?

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-Is that OK?

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-Yes.

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-Well, you know as much as me.

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-Well, you know as much as me.

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-Is that the jack?

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-Yes.

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-That's going to the other side.

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-That's going to the other side.

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-Yes, once Glenys moves.

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-We'll drive it that way.

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-They're coming this way. Never mind.

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-Right, Dai, I'll try to follow it.

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-It probably won't if I want it to.

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-Oh, Eirian, it isn't far!

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-No, but it's too far.

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-Was it meant to hit?

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-It should be closer to the jack.

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-It went a bit too far.

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-It went a bit too far.

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-What do I do now?

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-Pick up one of those blue bowls.

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-There you are.

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-Now then, Dai, foot on the mat.

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-The other foot

-as far forward as you can.

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-Try to hit the jack.

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-It should go along the ground, Dai.

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-Having said that,

-it's closer than mine!

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-Have another go at hitting it.

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-Have another go at hitting it.

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-No, it won't.

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-It has to go along the ground.

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-It has to go along the ground.

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-Yes, Dai.

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-I'll have to try this time.

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-Yes, closer to the ground.

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-Right foot on the mat.

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-I don't get on with rules!

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-That's much better, Dai.

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-That's much better, Dai.

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-Not enough Geronimo!

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-You have a reading club here.

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-You have a reading club here.

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-Yes, that meets once a month.

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-We try to prepare questions

-for each other...

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-..and we have a great time

-discussing the books.

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-Not just talking about

-what's going on in Corwen!

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-We have a lot of fun there too.

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-But you need a leader,

-and this is true of anywhere...

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-..someone

-who's willing to drive forward.

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-Yes, as long as that leader

-takes a step back sometimes...

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-..in order to take people with them.

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-A leading horse

-can break the straps.

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-A leading horse

-must have some control as well.

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-But I enjoyed working

-with young people in Mold.

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-Holding activities for them,

-organizing plays and so on.

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-Which school was it?

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-Which school was it?

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-Maes Garmon.

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-While I have my health,

-I don't want to be inactive.

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-On the outskirts of town

-is the Corwen Farmers Ltd site.

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-Eirian's family

-has close ties with the society...

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-..which has just

-marked its centenary.

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-My father

-thought the world of this place.

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-He thought the world of it,

-as did my grandfather before him...

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-..because it served a wide area.

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-If I can show you

-one of the centenary programmes...

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-..this is what's said.

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-"In 1991, RD Jones,

-Ty Mawr, Carrog...

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-"..referred to his father...

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-"..who was one of the founders

-of the cooperative society."

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-RD Jones was my father.

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-It then describes how the society

-has expanded over the years.

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-But a little piece of my father

-and grandfather belongs here...

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-..as is true

-for many other families.

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-It was an extraordinary venture.

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-Look at the goods here today.

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-Every day that the place is open,

-these need to be shifted.

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-They're doing a fair job of it.

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-Let's be honest...

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-..you won't buy locally

-unless prices are competitive.

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-But it's further

-to transport goods here...

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-..so it costs more

-to get them here.

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-But the service you get here

-is the thing.

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-It's more than a business.

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-Often when I come here...

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-..I'm not the first here

-or the last to leave.

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-Every year since 1991,

-Edwin and Eirian...

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-..have kept Eisteddfod week

-clear of work at Ty Mawr.

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-They go there to work,

-not just to enjoy the competitions.

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-While Edwin is responsible

-for the Pavilion stage...

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-..Eirian helps out

-in the office on the field.

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-You make sure

-that goes to the main entrance.

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-Do you remember

-what time the Gorsedd goes out?

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-Now, eleven.

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-Eleven, so they're on their way.

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-The Gorsedd should be OK then.

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-Well, Dai Jones!

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-# In the mud and mire,

-oh, sire, you'll see me #

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-I looked for you in the tunnel.

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-We're in a cosy place.

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-We're in a cosy place.

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-Indeed you are.

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-Surrounded by young co-workers.

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-Surrounded by young co-workers.

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-Oh, they're great, Dai.

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-And there are more next door.

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-The place is full of young people

-who work and give of their time.

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-All I have to do

-is calm them down sometimes!

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-Yes, yes, yes.

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-What exactly do you do,

-apart from keeping order?

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-I can see a map in your hand.

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-This is one of those places

-where I couldn't list my duties.

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-It depends

-what the next person brings.

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-For example,

-it could involve the weather...

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-..or a problem with parking...

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-..or someone who's lost something

-and isn't sure where to go.

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-We're here every day, all week.

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-We're usually here from

-between eight and half past...

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-..until about eight at night.

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-A fine place

-to serve an apprenticeship.

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-I hope they carry on.

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-Where can I find Edwin?

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-That way, Dai.

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-That way, Dai.

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-This way?

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-Can Sophie Jones, Elin Fflur Jones

-and Glesni Rhys get ready, please?

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-Edwin, you're very busy here today.

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-It's Monday morning

-at the Eisteddfod.

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-We're trying to organize

-the morning competitions.

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-It's very busy...

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-..with regards to giving information

-to everyone who works on the stage.

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-I saw you with a stopwatch

-at the back.

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-We try to run on time

-as closely as we can.

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-The weather has caused

-a few problems today...

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-..but on the whole,

-we try to run on time...

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-..especially on Mondays,

-Wednesdays and Fridays...

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-..because the Gorsedd is in.

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-You must have seen some changes.

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-You must have seen some changes.

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-It's a lot more technical now.

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-Many more people are involved

-with the work than when I started.

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-But it all helps the Eisteddfod

-to run fairly smoothly.

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-The Eisteddfod

-clearly appreciates...

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-..Edwin and Eirian's contribution

-over the years.

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-In 2009, they were both ordained

-into the Gorsedd's white robes...

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-..with the Gorsedd names

-Edwin Llwyfan and Eirian Carrog.

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-Once the Eisteddfod's over,

-there's no time to relax at Ty Mawr.

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-It's time to gather the sheep

-from the mountain...

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-..and Edwin is fortunate to be

-helped by the farmhand, Ryan Jones.

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-Thank goodness for this

-or it would be a long walk.

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-This is some view.

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-What are we seeing, Edwin?

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-Right below us is Carrog itself.

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-That's Corwen in the distance...

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-..then over towards Llangwm,

-up the valley.

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-It's the middle of summer,

-so why are you gathering them?

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-We're going to be

-weaning the lambs today.

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-First, we gather the mountain.

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-He's going up

-the heather mountain over there...

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-..just to make sure

-that he's got them all down.

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-He'll gather the ewes and lambs

-into this field...

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-..then drive them down to the farm.

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-It isn't the easiest terrain, is it?

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-It takes a bit of work

-to gather the sheep.

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-Yes, it does.

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-Fortunately,

-it's an enclosed mountain.

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-That's a big help

-when we gather the sheep.

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-Ryan will usually do the job

-by himself, with two dogs.

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-If Ryan isn't here, I work the dogs.

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-They will work for me.

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-They will work for me.

-

-There you are, there you are.

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-Once sheep are accustomed to a dog,

-it's easier.

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-Yes, that's right.

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-As it's an enclosed flock,

-they also know their habitat.

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-Once we open the gate,

-they know where to go.

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-You bring bales up in winter.

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-Yes, we carry big bales

-up here in winter.

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-We also bring up feed as well.

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-Of course, if there's snow,

-we gather them down to the valley.

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-You're clearly up here regularly...

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-..because the quad bike

-doesn't scare the sheep.

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-We try to come up once a day

-to make sure everything's alright.

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-That they have water and so on.

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-We're fortunate that springs rise

-on the heather mountain.

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-They keep the sheep in water

-for a long while.

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-It's a nice change from teaching.

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-You can now enjoy

-the pleasures of agriculture.

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-If enjoy is the word, Dai!

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-I often worry,

-when I buy rams or what have you...

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-..whether I'm buying well,

-but they don't turn out too bad.

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-I'd say you're doing

-a pretty good job.

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-You're about to separate the lambs.

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-You're about to separate the lambs.

-

-That's right.

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-Ryan has gone up to the pen

-and he'll bring about 150 down.

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-Do you separate

-the ewe and ram lambs?

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-No, all together.

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-We'll keep the lambs inside

-for two days or so.

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-When it's cooler, we'll take

-the sheep back up the mountain.

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-Good idea.

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-Because they'll bleat a great deal

-for two days or so.

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-Yes, they will.

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-But I don't want them on the road

-looking for the ewes.

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-You grew up on this farm, Eirian.

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-I did indeed.

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-And were you an only child?

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-I was.

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-You can see the difficulties

-that faced me personally...

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-..and my parents.

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-But if anyone

-was ever born to farm...

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-..it was my father...

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-..even though he could have done

-whatever he wanted to do.

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-He loved politics and acting...

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-..but he was especially keen

-on improving this farm's quality.

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-When it was bought in 1953...

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-..improving it was his objective...

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-..especially the mountains.

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-Were you always teachers in Wales?

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-Were you always teachers in Wales?

-

-Yes.

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-Edwin and I

-were both very fortunate...

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-..not just with the school...

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-..because 20 miles

-is no journey at all.

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-But I could also take an interest

-and help on the farm.

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-When Edwin came here,

-we tried to do a bit of both.

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-Luckily, our parents

-and ourselves were good friends.

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Yn rhaglen gynta'r gyfres newydd, bydd Dai Jones, Llanilar yn ymweld ag Edwin ac Eirian Jones, Carrog. Dai Jones, Llanilar visits Edwin and Eirian Jones, Ty Mawr, Carrog, near Corwen.


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