Sun, 04 Jun 2017 10:00 Dal Ati

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-Welcome to Codi Pac.

-I, Geraint Hardy, will be travelling

-all around Wales...

-..to find some of our treasures.

-If you want a weekend away,

-you needn't travel far.

-It's all on the doorstep.

-Places to eat, places to stay,

-things to do and see.

-They're all here on Codi Pac.

-I need a few things

-for this journey. They're all here.

-I have a notebook, pamphlets,

-an orange camera...

-..a mobile phone, water, bag

-and a car.

-I don't need my passport

-because I'm staying in Wales.

-Wales may be small but

-there's plenty to do and see here.

-Over the next six programmes...

-..I'll be visiting

-six different locations.

-From Wrexham to Machynlleth,

-from Beaumaris to Merthyr Tydfil.

-I'll be looking at places to stay

-and places to eat.

-I'll find out a little local

-history and try out some activities.

-From the exciting to the relaxed,

-there'll be something for everyone.

-For help

-following the programme...

-..head to the website

-or search for the Dal Ati app.

-Several things spring to mind

-when I think of Wrexham.

-Beer, industrial history...

-..and as I'm a big football fan,

-Wrexham football club.

-Where better to start my journey

-than with the Dragons?

-Wrexham's ground

-is called the Racecourse.

-It's no ordinary club,

-it was established in 1864...

-..a year after the

-Football Association first met...

-..to write the rules of the game.

-Wrexham is the oldest club in Wales

-and the third oldest in the world.

-I'm meeting Spencer Harris,

-the club's director.

-Spencer won the Welsh Learner

-of the Year competition in 2001.

-Spencer, we're here at what must be

-one of your favourite places.

-You're a huge fan of Wrexham AFC.

-I remember sitting behind the goal

-over there.

-I remember watching games

-against Swansea.

-I was a little lad.

-The crowd was massive.

-At the time, we were

-in what is now the Championship.

-It was a great time for the club.

-What are Wrexham's aims now?

-Wrexham are trying to win promotion

-back to the football league.

-That's the club's main aim.

-Hopefully, we'll do that next year.

-The fans own this club

-at the moment.

-Yes, 4,000 of us own the club.

-The fans took over the ownership

-in 2011.

-Since then, the club's

-done fantastic off the pitch.

-We've been to Wembley three times.

-They were our first visits too.

-We've just missed out on promotion

-twice as well.

-I hope that will come next year.

-Do you have meetings

-with all 4,000 of you?!

-Almost every week

-when we have away games!

-There are elections to appoint

-people to various positions...

-..to run the club

-on behalf of the fans.

-A lot of famous people

-have played for the club.

-Yes, players like Joey Jones, who

-won the European Cup with Liverpool.

-He still coaches here today.

-Ian Rush has played for Wrexham too.

-He didn't score many goals

-for Wrexham!

-No.

-No.

-

-Unfortunately.

-The stadium is in the town centre.

-How important

-is the club to the town?

-The club's important to the town

-and to North Wales.

-It's where the largest crowd

-gathers every fortnight...

-..to support the professional club

-in North Wales.

-There are larger towns than Wrexham

-around the country...

-..which no-one talks about.

-Wrexham FC is what puts us on the

-map in Britain and across the world.

-Here's the big moment.

-Hardy's ready to go.

-Superb!

-That's enough messing about

-on the football field.

-It's now time to find out

-what else Wrexham has to offer.

-I'm going to have a wander

-around town.

-Wrexham is the main town

-in North Wales...

-..with a population

-of around 60,000.

-The history of the town

-dates back 8,000 years.

-It's a market town.

-Wrexham is a Saxon name.

-It comes from "Wryhtel's Ham" -

-the farm of a man called Wryhtel.

-It's been a worthwhile walk

-around town.

-There are plenty of lovely little

-streets and interesting buildings.

-This church, St Giles,

-can be seen throughout the town.

-The St Giles church tower is one

-of the seven wonders of Wales.

-It's an incredible building.

-The town's pubs

-are worth seeing too.

-I've heard about a local bank that's

-been turned into a restaurant.

-Here it is - The Bank.

-It's lunchtime.

-This bank was built by a

-family of merchants from Liverpool.

-A similarly-designed building

-is in Liverpool too.

-In the cellar,

-the old safe still stands.

-It's hard to believe that the door

-weighs two and a half tons.

-This place is packed

-and it's easy to see why.

-It's so posh with its incredible bar

-and amazing staircase.

-It's also homely.

-I just hope that the bank's

-paying for the food!

-You can't beat home-made lasagne,

-garlic bread and salad.

-It's time to tuck in.

-As you'd expect, there's

-a wide choice of places to stay.

-The Lemon Tree hotel and restaurant

-has 12 comfortable rooms.

-If you want to stay

-in a luxury house...

-..which combines

-the modern and the traditional...

-..go to the Old Vicarage Cottage

-in Minera.

-For more information,

-visit the website.

-I, on the other hand,

-am staying in a different place...

-..in a field

-on the outskirts of Minera.

-This is where I'll be staying

-tonight - a shepherd's hut.

-The decor is modern and neat.

-This is great - original wheels.

-Look at the view -

-I'm in the middle of nowhere.

-There are animals in the nearby

-fields. There's no-one else around.

-I'm excited, that's for sure.

-Let's open the door.

-Here it is - wow!

-It's small but it's very cosy.

-There's a kitchen

-and a table which opens out...

-..which makes use of the space.

-This is the sofa

-which turns into a bed.

-It slides out.

-I can't wait

-to curl up in this bed tonight...

-..in front of that great fire

-over there.

-It's been a busy day.

-I've walked the streets of Wrexham

-and been in the football stadium.

-In this rural retreat, I can't wait

-for a night in front of the fire.

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-Welcome back to Codi Pac

-from a shepherd's hut near Wrexham.

-After a good night's sleep,

-I wander to the farmyard.

-Good morning.

-If you choose to stay here...

-..there's plenty of local produce

-to prepare a breakfast feast.

-You can collect your own eggs

-if you fancy.

-This breakfast is for me,

-not you, OK?

-OK? He's coming.

-Behave.

-On day two, I get to wander around

-the streets of Wrexham once more.

-I'm on my way to Saith Seren...

-..an old pub that also promotes

-the Welsh language.

-Here we are,

-the Saith Seren community pub.

-People come here to speak Welsh too.

-There's a pool table here,

-which is good news.

-It's spacious.

-On the walls

-are many familiar faces...

-..from Gareth Bale

-to Richard Burton.

-It's also the perfect place

-to see some live music.

-I'm meeting poet Sophie McKeand

-to learn more about the place.

-Two, three.

-Sophie, we're in Saith Seren.

-Why is Saith Seren

-important to Wrexham?

-There are many Welsh speakers here.

-They support the language.

-It's a lovely place to come...

-..to have a chat in Welsh

-over a pint or a cuppa.

-It's nice just to come here

-and practise speaking Welsh...

-..without feeling awkward...

-..you know?

-It's nice just to relax,

-have a chat.

-There's lots of music and poetry

-here.

-You've learnt Welsh.

-Do you come from Wrexham?

-I was born in Flint

-but was raised in Chester...

-..so I didn't speak Welsh

-as a child.

-So why did you decide

-to learn Welsh?

-I'm a poet, so I love languages.

-The Welsh language

-is beautiful and very interesting.

-I was born here

-so I should learn the language.

-You're a poet. That's your job.

-You have a special title too,

-a very nice one.

-Yes, the Young People's Laureate

-for Wales.

-If you had to describe Wrexham

-in a few words, what would they be?

-I'd choose complex and passionate.

-Passionate.

-Yes.

-Sometimes, it's important

-to rest for five minutes...

-..in a place like this

-that's full of local characters...

-..and, of course, sweet things!

-I'm now going

-to The Fat Boar restaurant.

-Lovely

-is the word that springs to mind.

-This is spacious.

-I love the black and white

-on the bar and on the floor.

-There are old and new chairs

-which fill the space...

-..and there's space outside

-to have a drink or some food.

-Upstairs, however, is a restaurant

-with a different ambience.

-A number of the workers here

-speak Welsh.

-The owners

-use local and seasonal produce.

-We're now upstairs

-in the restaurant.

-You can sit outside.

-There are many parts

-to the restaurant.

-This is the modern part

-with plenty of natural light...

-..and bright colours on the walls.

-In here, things change.

-Industrial orange bricks...

-..and then wooden panels

-with lots of plants...

-..which creates

-an outdoors-indoors feel.

-Wow! Look at this. Quite a dish.

-This place is called The Fat Boar.

-After I eat this, there'll only be

-one fat boar in this building.

-After eating my fill, I'm off

-to find the old police station.

-It's been converted into a museum.

-I'm going to meet local historian

-Gareth Vaughan Williams there.

-Gareth,

-we're outside Wrexham museum.

-It's a lovely building.

-You've lived here for many years.

-What's Wrexham like?

-It's a very busy town.

-It's been busy for centuries.

-It's a border town, so people

-have been coming here for centuries.

-It's on the border

-between Wales and England.

-It's on the border between

-the Welsh language and English...

-..between

-the highlands and lowlands...

-..and between industry

-and agriculture.

-There are two cultures here.

-That's still evident in the town.

-At one time,

-it was very industrialized.

-Yes, but one shouldn't just think of

-Wrexham as an industrialized area.

-It was a market

-and agricultural town...

-..before it was an industrial town.

-The museum tries to show the history

-of the area from the Early Ages.

-This is one of the earliest things

-they've discovered.

-An ancient coffin, a cist,

-was found in 1958.

-Inside the cist was a skeleton...

-..which dates back

-2,000 years before Christ.

-They were known

-as the Beaker people.

-Their remains

-would be buried in a cist.

-They were special people.

-They'd travel far

-and they knew how to treat iron.

-The height of Brymbo Man

-has been worked out.

-He was around 5' 8".

-Taller than me!

-He'd also received

-a nasty head injury.

-The fact that he was discovered...

-..has provided a lot of information

-about the area.

-It takes us back

-much further than the Romans.

-Gareth, one of my favourite things

-in the world is football.

-What do we have here?

-It's an exhibition, not just of the

-Racecourse but of football in Wales.

-People from the area

-who've played for Wales.

-That's Billy Meredith's cap.

-He was one of the first men to

-play for Wales. He came from Chirk.

-There are shirts and caps belonging

-to some Welsh heroes from the area.

-People like Ian Rush.

-You notice the difference in boots.

-It's hard to believe how much

-the shirt and boots have changed...

-..even the ball itself.

-I remember wearing boots

-similar to those...

-..when I started playing football.

-It's been a pleasure

-talking to you today.

-I've walked around town. I'm now

-going to walk the Clywedog Trail.

-What am I going to see?

-It's a lovely walk.

-It starts in Minera.

-You follow the area's

-industrial past.

-There was a lead mine in Minera.

-Lead mining might be one reason

-why the Romans came to the area.

-You'll also see many mills

-on your journey...

-..which shows how important

-water used to be.

-Though the River Clywedog

-is small...

-..it's very important

-in the running of the water wheels.

-It's a beautiful walk.

-The Clywedog Trail is a great way

-of enjoying the outdoors...

-..while learning more

-about Wrexham's industrial past.

-You don't have to walk

-the nine miles in one go.

-You could do it in stages.

-But it's worth ending up in

-the lovely Erddig house and gardens.

-The Yorke family owned the place

-until 1973...

-..when it was given

-to the National Trust.

-It's an inspirational place.

-Gareth was right.

-The Clywedog Trail is worth doing

-to see the industrial remains.

-Next, I'm going to

-a world famous historical site.

-A handful of people have told me

-I have to visit Pontcysyllte...

-..an aqueduct.

-It was built by Thomas Telford, and

-I'm told it's a challenge to cross.

-Looking around, I'm not sure why

-as it's so tranquil.

-Now that I'm standing

-on Pontcysyllte, I understand.

-It's extremely high.

-I'm safe enough but if I was

-on a boat and fell that way...

-..I wouldn't be safe.

-Off you go.

-There are some lovely views here.

-You can see fields...

-..and a pretty bridge

-which shows how high up we are.

-We've not reached the middle yet.

-Let's go.

-We're now halfway along

-Pontcysyllte.

-What an incredible view!

-We're high up, that much is certain.

-I'm not sure how high,

-but, wow, it's high.

-Very high.

-Look at the view.

-I feel like I'm standing

-in the centre of the world...

-..with no-one near me.

-Superb.

-I've had a great time in Wrexham.

-What an interesting place.

-It started on a football pitch

-and it's ending above one.

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-Hello. I'm Daniel Glyn.

-I'm a stand-up comedian and

-I write jokes and children's books.

-I presented kids' TV

-when I was slimmer.

-I've also interviewed

-people like Rhys Ifans.

-That's me - Daniel Glyn.

-I'm Matthew Glyn Jones,

-Dan's brother.

-I'm an author and I write dramas

-such as Gwaith Cartref...

-..and children's programmes

-like Hotel Eddie.

-A long time ago,

-I was in a band called Hanner Pei.

-We specialized in funk.

-What brings us here,

-to Clwb Ifor Bach, Dan and Math?

-Growing up in Cardiff

-as a Welsh speaker...

-..you congregated

-in different centres.

-There was the Urdd centre,

-on Conway Road...

-..and Clwb Ifor Bach,

-which was a super-duper Welsh place.

-Everyone spoke Welsh in here.

-It was members only...

-..but if you spoke Welsh,

-they'd let you in.

-At the end of the night,

-everyone sang the national anthem.

-Manic Street Preachers played here.

-Manic Street Preachers played here.

-

-No, they didn't.

-The line-up

-was Manic Street Preachers...

-..Tynal Tywyll,

-one other band and Hanner Pei.

-The Manics didn't turn up.

-The Manics didn't turn up.

-

-Really?

-They didn't like seeing Hanner Pei

-on the bill.

-Can you imagine it?

-Can you imagine it?

-

-Where are they now?

-Cardiff played an important role

-in your childhood.

-Dan, you still live in Cardiff

-and you haven't wandered far, Math.

-Your roots

-are very much in Cardiff...

-..and you haven't

-moved far from here.

-I've never lived

-more than five miles from Cardiff.

-Dan has lived

-in several different countries...

-..and in many different places...

-..but you've always

-come back home, to Cardiff.

-The nice thing about Cardiff,

-as you know and many people know...

-..is that it's small enough that

-if you're a native or a newcomer...

-..you feel

-some sort of ownership over it.

-It's a great place

-to raise children.

-We're fathers.

-Not together - we have wives!

-It's a great place to raise kids.

-Dan, you're the eldest.

-Dan, you're the eldest.

-

-Yes, by three years.

-Three and a half years!

-You must have some funny stories

-about growing up.

-Yes. I bullied Math mercilessly.

-I loved Lego.

-I'd spend hours on end

-building amazing spaceships.

-There would be bits

-that opened out.

-They were amazing and I'd want Dan

-to see how brilliant they were.

-I showed my Lego creation to Dan

-and he said it was great...

-..before standing

-at the top of the stairs...

-..asking me if it flew

-and throwing it down!

-It was smashed to pieces.

-You've played a lot of tricks

-on each other over the years...

-..but you're really close.

-Our mother died really young.

-She was only 46.

-Math was only 16.

-That dynamic of big brother, little

-brother and the bullying changed.

-When something sad happens,

-there's always a ray of light...

-..which in this case

-was that we became closer.

-Yes, and our father died

-a couple of years later.

-That's all the family we had...

-..and it was important

-for us to stick together.

-We had no choice.

-We bonded over computer games.

-We bonded over computer games.

-

-Yes, from a young age.

-I got a ZX81 with 1K of memory

-when I was eight.

-Then the consoles came out.

-Luckily, we got a job writing and

-being part of the production team...

-And acting and presenting!

-..a computer game review show

-called Mega.

-It was the best job ever and we were

-on 400 a week for three months...

-..and all we did was play computer

-games and write reviews of them.

-I'm Bill.

-I'm Bill.

-

-And I'm Dill. Hello!

-Once again, developments

-from the revolutionary world...

-..come from us to you.

-Scientists

-using the latest technology...

-..can grow ears.

-Pardon?

-Pardon?

-

-Ha, ha!

-Then we made a conscious decision

-to stop presenting together.

-We did a few things together...

-..and people said,

-"It's the Chuckle Brothers!"

-Yes, and people compared us

-to the Brodyr Bach brothers.

-We just thought, "No!"

-We then started to write

-children's programmes separately.

-As it happened, we ended up

-trying for the same jobs.

-Dan then suggested

-we put our heads together.

-For how long did we work as a team?

-About 12 years?

-Yes, we wrote jokes and so on

-together every day for 12 years.

-When we were growing up,

-our father was a huge fan of comedy.

-We watched the work of Mel Brooks,

-John Cleese and Python.

-I went to see Freddie Starr

-when I was 16.

-I loved

-watching one man and a microphone...

-..making money

-for waffling for two hours.

-I wanted to do stand-up...

-..and my heroes are David Baddiel,

-Rob Newman...

-..Robin Williams and Eddie Murphy.

-One day, I'll get it right.

-Mr Daniel Glyn.

-Thank you.

-Dan, we're outside a club

-called The Scene in Swansea.

-What's happening tonight?

-I do stand-up once, twice or

-three times a month! I'm very lazy.

-It took 25 years for me to reach the

-stage where I do gigs like this...

-..in Welsh and in English.

-I'll tell a few jokes and talk about

-my experiences as a Welsh speaker.

-I talk about Ysgol Glantaf

-and Clwb Ifor Bach.

-Welsh themes, delivered

-through the medium of English.

-Do you perform more stand-up

-in English or in Welsh?

-It's fifty-fifty, or fifty-pumdeg!

-There's plenty

-of Welsh and English work out there.

-Doing it in English

-is a bigger challenge.

-There's less competition in Welsh.

-Do you get nervous?

-Do you get nervous?

-

-Yes.

-It took me ten years

-to stop being sick before a gig!

-The new phenomenon is if you say

-you're going to an event...

-..your phone reminds you

-the event is happening.

-That happened five minutes ago

-and my stomach flipped.

-Have you been to Clwb Ifor Bach?

-I did something terrible

-when I was young in Clwb Ifor Bach.

-Don't judge me.

-Perhaps you've done the same thing.

-My mate said, "Let's go to the bogs.

-Everybody's doing it."

-A bloke in the cubicle

-was doing what we wanted to do.

-Don't judge me.

-Three of us stuffed ourselves

-in the cubicle in Clwb Ifor Bach...

-..and we spoke English.

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-Thank you very much.

-The gig has just finished

-and here's Mr Glyn.

-Good evening.

-Good evening.

-

-Alright, Dan?

-You didn't fall asleep, did you?

-You didn't fall asleep, did you?

-

-No. Congratulations.

-How was it?

-How was it?

-

-Alright, but it was hot in there.

-It was hard work

-and I feel weird speaking English.

-It was fine. They laughed.

-Were you happy with their reaction?

-I'm from Cardiff and I always think

-I'll get killed in Swansea.

-I'm in one piece

-and my car wasn't nicked. Ideal!

-Did some jokes

-go down better than others?

-The one about getting my car nicked

-didn't go down well!

-No. A bit awkward.

-No. A bit awkward.

-

-Yes, it was #awkward!

-No. I had a nice night.

-Thank you for inviting me here.

-Where shall we go now?

-I'm sober but the crowd is drunk.

-I'll just go and get some chips.

-I'll just go and get some chips.

-

-That's a great idea.

-We both went

-to Ysgol Glantaf in Cardiff.

-That's where I learnt

-how to laugh at people...

-..and how to accept

-being laughed at.

-I had a happy time there.

-Everything I know about performing,

-I learnt at Ysgol Glantaf.

-I had good friends

-and great teachers.

-Believe it or not, I played rugby!

-Here we are, at the school

-where it all started for you.

-There must be a few tales to tell.

-There must be a few tales to tell.

-

-The hall is the heart of the school.

-All the shows were staged here.

-We always did Welsh musicals.

-They were open to us

-doing anything we wanted to do.

-When I was in a band, they were

-happy for us to rehearse in here...

-..and to hold gigs here.

-Ceffyl Pren was a glam rock band

-who sang in Welsh.

-I'm sure you remember

-their famous song, Roc Ar Y Radio.

-They clearly

-had a lot of money behind them.

-To promote Mae'r Ddraig Yn Hedfan

-Dros For Yr Iwerydd...

-..they did one gig in America

-and arrived here in a helicopter.

-We were all waving and cheering.

-As it happens, we had

-French exchange students here.

-They came on,

-with lights and everything...

-..and counted down dix, neuf!

-We couldn't believe it!

-These French kids from Nantes

-were amazed.

-They went trois, deux, un

-and they fused the whole school!

-We were in darkness

-for half an hour.

-Then they played Roc Ar Y Radio,

-we went nuts then they flew away.

-It couldn't happen

-in any other Welsh school!

-A local photographer came and

-Michael Evans mooned at the camera!

-Mooning at a helicopter is tricky.

-It's all about angles.

-What great memories!

-Amazing! Ceffyl Pren.

-Math, the group Hanner Pei

-started here.

-On that stage,

-before the days of Hanner Pei...

-..I played in a band

-with Dafydd Palfrey and Ceri Evans.

-We formed a rap band...

-..to raise money for Dr Barnardo's,

-called Dr B.

-I remember that rap. I loved it.

-# We are rappers. Always nasty

-For three funky dudes rapping's easy

-# We rap in the morning.

-We rap at school

-# We're the best. We're so cool #

-Yeah. Clever lyrics!

-We played a gig here,

-dressed in white coats...

-..and that was Dr B's

-one and only gig.

-Hanner Pei sprang from Dr B.

-# Girls everywhere

-but you're the one I want, my love

-# You're the one

-who captured my heart

-# My friends laugh

-and say you're a waste of time

-# Oh, listen to my plea

-# You are pure gold.

-The pearls in the sea

-# You are precious things

-which make a fool of me #

-Join me back in Cardiff

-after the break.

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-Welcome back to Cardiff.

-This week, I'm with the brothers

-Daniel and Matthew Glyn.

-Matthew is waiting for me

-on that open-top bus.

-Math, Cardiff Bay

-has changed a lot over the years.

-Yes, it has.

-I hate to sound like an old man

-going on about change...

-..but it really has.

-When I was young, the industrial era

-of the docks had come to an end.

-All that was here was level land.

-It's interesting

-to see the posh flats here now...

-..but when Dan and I were teenagers,

-after Dan passed his test...

-..we'd drive around this area.

-You'd see, not fields as such...

-..but patches of land

-that were full of rabbits.

-When you turned on the headlights,

-all the rabbits were startled.

-We're near Clwb Ifor Bach now.

-Math, do you wish there was a place

-like this for your children...

-..when they grow up and

-reach the age where they go out?

-There's a wider choice of Welsh

-centres available to them...

-..than existed in my youth.

-That's because there are increased

-numbers of Welsh speakers here.

-The National Assembly

-has opened up opportunities...

-..for people to move here

-from different areas of Wales.

-The choice has actually widened.

-Would you be happy if your children

-lived their whole lives in Cardiff?

-No, I'd like them to travel

-far more extensively than me.

-I haven't travelled much

-and I'm not sure why.

-I've never had the opportunity

-or the inclination.

-My wife has seen the world.

-I hope my children take after her.

-I want them to travel the world.

-We'll see what happens.

-Math, we're in Penarth,

-the town you now call home.

-I know it's a stupid question

-because it's a lovely place...

-..but what do you like

-about Penarth?

-I'd spent my whole life

-living in Cardiff...

-..and I just fell out of love

-with the city.

-I'd spent my teens

-and my whole life there.

-I had a chance to move here

-and I found the perfect house.

-We were starting a family and

-I decided to move from Cardiff.

-Friends of mine had moved here...

-..so I knew

-there was a community here.

-I was born in Penarth and my parents

-moved when I was one year old.

-I've come home, in a sense.

-Cardiff is only ten minutes away...

-..yet you feel out of the

-hustle and bustle of Cardiff here.

-We have some sort of beach here

-and some glorious views.

-That's why I decided to move here.

-I've really enjoyed living here

-for the past six years.

-You're not far from Cardiff,

-where Dan still lives.

-No, but it's far enough

-away from Dan!

-Dan's only ten minutes away,

-which is just enough.

-Yes, but if you need anything

-any time of day or night...

-..you only have

-to pick up the phone.

-Yes, but I wouldn't phone Dan!

-No way!

-If I had an emergency,

-Dan would start to panic...

-..and he'd just gasp.

-He's only around the corner and I'm

-grateful I don't have to phone him!

-Dan performs comedy

-for Welsh learners...

-..but you also produce

-material for learners...

-..through the show Ti Fi A Cyw.

-Yes. This is how Ti Fi A Cyw works.

-You watch Cyw programmes

-between 7.00 and 8.00am.

-Words used in the programmes

-appear on a Twitter stream.

-If someone says something like

-"Wow! I'm flying!" on the TV show...

-.."Hedfan means to fly or flying"

-appears on Twitter.

-We also give the pronunciation,

-which would be head van.

-It's a brilliant, innovative system.

-I met Jams on an Urdd drama course.

-We didn't speak much

-for the first three days...

-..but then we realized

-we both enjoyed being immature...

-..and we've been doing that

-for almost 30 years.

-What can I say about Jams Thomas?

-Seriously - what can I say

-about Jams Thomas?

-He's a good friend to me and Dan...

-..plus he's the only person

-called Jams I know.

-Dan and his peers...

-..myself among them...

-..called Math and his peers,

-the Hanner Pei crew, Baldies.

-They were younger than us

-and they couldn't grow a beard.

-I lived in Dan and Math's house.

-Tragically, Math and Dan's parents

-died when they were really young.

-Through that, Dan and Math

-learnt the value of having friends.

-They taught me

-the value of having friends.

-Friends aren't just there

-for nights out and a laugh.

-They're also there

-to support you during tough times.

-Dan and Math

-have been there for me since then.

-Math came home one day

-and he'd got a tattoo done.

-It was a Native American tattoo

-with an arrow running through it.

-Me and Dan said, "Whoa! Hang on!"

-"One of the Baldies

-has had a tattoo done before us!"

-That's why Dan and I rushed out

-and got tattoos done.

-I got one

-in the shape of a hydrogen atom.

-That may sound soft

-but Dan was even worse than me!

-He got Winnie The Pooh

-tattooed on his arm!

-Not a massive one, but a tiny one...

-..like the original sketches

-in the AA Milne books.

-We'd been spurred on

-to get tattoos done by Math...

-..and we both got pathetic ones!

-Since then, of course,

-we've had sleeves done.

-We're covered in tattoos,

-like real men.

-Math was the first one of us to get

-a tattoo done, back in the 1990s.

-Middle-class kids

-didn't do that back then.

-Little brother

-beat big brother to it.

-Which one has to have

-the last word in an argument?

-Math can talk for Wales

-on any subject...

-..but Dan

-can dish out lethal put-downs.

-I think they're on a par...

-..but I think

-Dan always has the shut-up line.

-Actors, performers,

-scriptwriters, comedians.

-Where are you today?

-I'll tell you what I am, Trystan.

-I'm a father.

-I'm a father.

-

-A full-time father!

-I always wanted to be a comedian...

-..so if someone describes me

-as a comedian, I'm happy.

-Throughout my career, I've always

-expected someone to come up to me...

-..and say, "You don't know

-what you're doing!"

-I keep expecting to be rumbled...

-..and to be told I can't do this job

-because I'm clueless.

-If I can turn around

-and tell someone I'm a writer...

-..I'm happy.

-Writer, author, scriptwriter.

-Do you plan to work together

-again in the future?

-No, not after doing this!

-It's reminded us

-why we don't work together.

-Math and I have written

-lots of things together.

-Computer games shows, comedy shows,

-stand-up routines and theatre shows.

-I don't think writing for television

-is the way forward.

-There isn't much work

-out there anyway...

-..or we'd still be doing it.

-We have discussed it.

-We haven't written together

-for five years...

-..so we do have lots of ideas.

-We wrote jokes together

-every day for 12 years, non-stop...

-..so we're quite enjoying

-this hiatus.

-Yes, and in some ways,

-this is now a different context.

-Even when we met for Sunday lunch,

-we'd always discuss jokes...

-..or scripts which we had to write.

-It's nice that we no longer

-have that context.

-Yes, so we just waffle on about

-films, computer games and comics!

-I'm sure

-we will write together again...

-..but I'm proud of the amazing

-body of work we produced together.

-Dan and Math, thank you.

-It's been a pleasure.

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