Sun, 14 May 2017 10:00 Dal Ati

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-Welcome to Codi Pac.

-I, Geraint Hardy, will be travelling

-all around Wales...

-..to find some of our treasures.

-If you want a weekend away,

-you needn't travel far.

-It's all on the doorstep.

-Places to eat, places to stay,

-things to do and see.

-They're all here on Codi Pac.

-I need a few things

-for this journey. They're all here.

-I have a notebook, pamphlets,

-an orange camera...

-..a mobile phone, water, bag

-and a car.

-I don't need my passport

-because I'm staying in Wales.

-Wales may be small but there's

-plenty to do and see here.

-Over the next six programmes...

-..I'll be visiting six different

-locations.

-From Wrexham to Machynlleth,

-from Beaumaris to Merthyr Tydfil.

-I'll be looking at places to stay

-and places to eat.

-I'll find out a little local

-history and try out some activities.

-From the exciting to the relaxed,

-there'll be something for everyone.

-For help

-following the programme...

-..head to the website

-or search for the Dal Ati app.

-During the industrial revolution...

-..Merthyr Tydfil was one of

-the largest towns in the world.

-People flocked to work

-in the steel works and coal fields.

-There are plenty of reasons

-to come here.

-I've come here on holiday.

-Merthyr Tydfil is just over there.

-According to the legend, Merthyr

-Tydfil is named after Saint Tydfil.

-She was the daughter

-of King Brychan of Brycheiniog.

-Some of the town's famous names...

-..include fashion designer Julien

-Macdonald, musician Joseph Parry...

-..and actor Steve Spiers from

-the series Stella and Cariad@Iaith.

-Before we find out

-more about the area...

-..I need to find the place

-I'm staying.

-I've reached Merthyr Tydfil.

-This is where I'm staying

-over the next few days.

-It's quite a place.

-Unusually, I've come in through

-the back door not the front door.

-There's a reason for that.

-If you come here to cycle...

-..you can come straight in here from

-the mountain and clean your bike...

-..pump up your tyres and fix

-your bike if something's broken.

-I'm looking forward to staying here.

-In we go.

-This house is a coal cottage

-from the 19th Century.

-You can see similar ones

-at St Fagan's museum these days.

-I'm already a happy man.

-A very modern kitchen. What's here?

-There's a nice washroom.

-Look at this big open lounge.

-Plenty of room.

-You can relax,

-there's light through the roof.

-There's a bit of Merthyr

-and coal mine history here.

-What else do we have?

-A massive TV on the wall.

-Everyone's happy with a big TV.

-Solid wood and look at the art work.

-It's a flash of colour

-to lift the room.

-I'm happy. The big question

-is where's the bedroom.

-I'm guessing it's upstairs.

-The stairs are a bit narrow.

-Wow!

-This is so nice.

-It's warm and cosy.

-Look how nice the beds are.

-This is special,

-a bike seat with handlebars.

-It looks similar

-to some of Picasso's work.

-The wall paper is nice.

-I'll sleep well here.

-There's one thing left.

-Nice.

-There are plenty of other places

-to stay in the area.

-On the banks of the Taf Fechan

-reservoir...

-..an old church has been converted

-to a four star bed and breakfast...

-..that shares the name,

-Ty Taf Fechan.

-With striking views over the water

-and surrounding mountains.

-Just off the A470 is Nant Ddu Lodge.

-You can relax in the spa and

-swimming pool or head to the gym.

-For more information about

-accommodation head to our website.

-There are loads of different things

-to do in Merthyr.

-One thing has caught my attention.

-This is it, a bit of adventure,

-Bike Park Wales.

-Here I am, halfway up the mountain.

-As you can see,

-the view is incredible.

-Before I get on my bike,

-let's see what's here.

-To start, there's a wonderful little

-cafe where you can grab a drink.

-In the corner, there's a fire

-to warm you up if it's cold.

-There are several tracks of various

-standards so anyone can have a go.

-This poster says it all.

-The Welsh answer to Whistler which

-is one of the best places...

-..in the world for mountain biking.

-This is one of the area's main

-adventure attractions.

-It attracts

-thousands of bikers every year.

-The park was made

-by bikers for bikers.

-I've got a bike, helmet and my pads.

-These are all the courses.

-Green is the easiest

-and black the hardest.

-I'll start somewhere in the middle

-with yellow. Off I go.

-Wooh!

-This is where everyone plops their

-bikes on the back of the bus.

-That shows you how high up

-the mountain we're going today.

-I can hear a helicopter in the

-background.

-I hope nobody's hurt too badly.

-I don't want to be heading home in a

-helicopter today!

-I want to use my bike.

-Let's go for it!

-We've reached

-the top of the mountain.

-This is where everyone starts.

-There are a few options.

-We have Wibbly Wobbly, 50 Shades Of

-Black and my favourite, Popty Ping.

-The only option I have now

-is Melted Welly.

-See you at the bottom.

-There are so many nasty turns.

-Here we go, a straight part. Argh!

-Around this corner, pump the legs.

-This is fast.

-Here's what they call an S-bend.

-Here's a little skid.

-Whoop! In to the forest.

-Woohoo!

-One thing I'm not going to do

-is sit down.

-It's not safe.

-It's so fast, I'm not sure if it

-comes across that way at home.

-Seriously, it feels like

-I'm thundering down this course.

-Wow, a corner.

-This is incredibly narrow.

-It's wet and slippery too.

-It's fun.

-There's nothing better.

-I can see Merthyr to my left.

-What a view!

-Here we are.

-We've reached the bottom.

-What a journey.

-That was wonderful.

-It was worth doing.

-Such fun.

-Yeah! Great!

-Amazing. Wonderful.

-If you feel adventurous after

-mountain biking...

-..you can venture to the Rock UK

-Summit Centre in Trelewis.

-It has 180 indoor climbing routes.

-Some of them are up to

-18m in height.

-It's the perfect place

-to grab more adrenaline.

-One, two, three!

-I had so much fun cycling,

-I'd love to go into this water now.

-First, I need to meet someone who

-knows more about the town's history.

-As a post-industrial town, Merthyr

-is full of interesting history.

-I went to meet Lis Mclean

-at a special location.

-Cyfarthfa Castle

-is the jewel in the crown.

-This is the main thing

-that attracts people.

-There are also things that

-are associated with the castle.

-The iron works and such things.

-Joseph Parry's cottage too.

-There's a lot of interest

-in history in Merthyr.

-The jewel in the crown,

-what a wonderful description.

-Who used to live here?

-The Crawshays built the place.

-They owned the iron works.

-They also felt that they

-owned all the people too.

-As a local person,

-despite the Crawshays living here...

-..and controlling the populace

-for a time.

-Is there a bad feeling about

-the building or do you enjoy it?

-It's very interesting.

-As it happens, everyone feels

-the park and castle belongs to them.

-It's a part of everyone's childhood.

-It's in the middle

-of Merthyr Tydfil.

-A lot of people visit the place.

-The whole history of Merthyr

-is in this building.

-A little bit of everything.

-You've got the history of local

-brass bands and the Romans.

-The main story

-is the Crawshay family.

-They ran all the steel and iron

-works in Merthyr Tydfil.

-Think about it, all these things...

-..all this steel was made here

-and exported across the world.

-Incredible.

-After the mountain biking

-and history lesson...

-..I returned to the house to relax.

-I'll be back after the break.

-I'll be heading for a trip

-on a steam train...

-..and get to meet

-the local Welsh learners.

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-After a wonderful night here

-at Dan Y Coetir cottage.

-I'm doing something different today.

-I love the car, but today

-I'm travelling in a different way.

-It really is a different way

-of travelling.

-There's nothing better

-than an old steam train.

-I'm going to travel around the

-mountains to see the views on offer.

-Here we are, it's the reservoir.

-Isn't it wonderful?

-The Taf Fechan reservoir

-is near Pontsticill...

-..in the Brecon Beacons National

-Park.

-The damn was built in 1927.

-It holds over 300 million

-gallons of water.

-The reservoir is popular for boats,

-fishing and hikers.

-You can see now why 70,000 people

-come on this steam train annually.

-What a beautiful view.

-This train line runs from Pant...

-..three miles north of Merthyr

-to Torpantau.

-It's on the original route

-of the Merthyr-Brecon railway.

-It closed in 1963.

-Now that the train has stopped,

-we can relax and walk around.

-The train is going

-to move forward...

-..so it can go back around

-the carriages and pull us home.

-Here it goes! Choo choo!

-In addition to the wonderful

-views on the way...

-..there's a chance to relax before

-moving on to the next location.

-This place, Canolfan Soar...

-..is one of the places to come

-in Merthyr if you're learning Welsh.

-Gari, it's a pleasure to meet you.

-Thanks for letting us come to

-Canolfan Soar.

-Tell us a little of your history.

-Tell us a little of your history.

-

-I'm from Pontypridd originally.

-We've been living in this area for

-over 20 years now.

-I just feel like

-someone from Merthyr.

-You didn't speak Welsh

-when you were growing up.

-You've learned Welsh.

-Why learn Welsh in the first place?

-I wanted my kids to go

-to the Welsh medium school.

-The children went

-to Ysgol Rhydfelen.

-And then I realised that it was just

-me who couldn't speak Welsh.

-Everyone else, my grandchildren,

-everyone else is fluent.

-I didn't really have a choice.

-It was important

-to make the next step.

-Is there a lot to do here

-in Merthyr with the Welsh language?

-Yes, there's a lot. Canolfan Soar

-is the heart of Welsh in the area.

-It's important to know

-who can speak and where they go.

-They go to pubs.

-There's a walking club that starts

-at the museum every week.

-There's plenty to do.

-In 2015, you won the title

-of Welsh Learner of the Year.

-Did you expect to win?

-Was it a shock?

-Yes, I expected it! No!

-I'm still in shock now.

-A lot of people who entered

-were much better than me.

-But there were other aspects

-like helping in the community...

-..developing the language and

-supporting people who are learning.

-A lot of things are important when

-you win Welsh Learner of the Year.

-We're at Canolfan Soar

-in the centre of Merthyr.

-What happens here?

-What's the purpose of the centre?

-It's to develop the language

-in the area.

-Not just in Merthyr

-but in the valleys.

-We do a lot of things

-through the Welsh language.

-We do ballet and other classes.

-We draw in a lot of people

-who are learning.

-We've got almost 20 classes here

-every week.

-It's just a special place.

-Alright?

-Alright?

-

-Yes.

-How often do you come to the centre?

-It's a wonderful place.

-I come here to learn about local

-history with other adults.

-It's every Tuesday.

-It's finishing up now

-before Easter.

-It's a wonderful place, the staff

-are great. There's a cafe.

-It's wonderful.

-People like Gari are wonderful.

-People like Gari are wonderful.

-

-Top man.

-He's like a saint.

-Saint Gari.

-Saint Gari!

-Saint Gari!

-

-Of course, yes.

-He's alright, yeah.

-He helps every day.

-Fair play. What's here?

-It's the cafe.

-Ryan is also learning Welsh.

-Hello, Ryan.

-Hello, Ryan.

-

-Hello!

-We help people if they come in.

-Maybe they just

-want a cuppa and a chat.

-We're ready to help them too.

-Tomorrow, there'll be a class here

-and another one here.

-It's full to the brim every week.

-All the classes are in there.

-This is the entrance

-to the theatre.

-This is the theatre, Theatr Soar.

-How many people does it hold?

-It's up to 250 now.

-Originally, when this was a chapel,

-it could hold over 500 people.

-Right, up we go.

-Great, wow.

-It's wonderful, isn't it?

-It's wonderful at night

-when a show is put on...

-..and the lights come down

-and the sound system is on.

-It's a wonderful place.

-The theatre is special.

-Gari, before I go, I'm taking photos

-of some of the people I meet.

-Can I get a photo with you?

-Of course.

-A photo of Gari. Cheese!

-There we are. Wonderful.

-Happy with that?

-Great. That's special.

-After all the activity,

-I need to eat.

-It's time to find some food.

-There's something

-for everyone here...

-..from the traditional Italian cafe

-Viazzani...

-..to more modern places like

-Woodfired Pizza.

-It offers sandwiches, burgers

-and obviously pizza.

-There are a lot of different places

-to eat in Merthyr.

-This place has caught my attention.

-A beautiful building on the corner

-of the high street.

-I've heard good things about Jol's.

-Quality food and a relaxed

-atmosphere.

-Here we are,

-some solid wooden tables...

-..that make me want to do one thing,

-sit down and enjoy my food.

-Welcome to Jol's.

-This looks great.

-I didn't expect this for lunch.

-Very nice.

-Selfie, Jamie?

-Selfie, Jamie?

-

-Yeah.

-One, two, three.

-One for luck!

-Great, thanks very much.

-The food was wonderful.

-Gus, we're here in one of Merthyr's

-most historic buildings.

-Before we go in.

-We've got the red dragon here...

-..and a saying "Y Ddraig Goch A

-Ddyry Gychwyn."

-What's the significance of the

-dragon. Why is it here?

-It's interesting that they chose

-to use the red dragon...

-The red dragon and this mosaic...

-..was placed here before the dragon

-was officially on the Welsh flag.

-So this was on the floor here...

-..before the red dragon

-was on the Welsh flag.

-Yes.

-We're one of the first places to

-officially display the red dragon.

-There's a crack in the mosaic too.

-That wasn't the original intention.

-There's a story behind it.

-The mosaic is an original part of

-the building.

-We left the crack because it

-happened before the building opened.

-So it wasn't the artist's intention

-to make the crack.

-Yes, it happened naturally.

-Nobody knows why.

-It's nice. It works.

-Wow, what a building,

-it's very nice.

-It's striking.

-It's striking.

-

-Yes.

-Tell us a little

-of the building's history.

-Originally,

-it was the town hall and court.

-The council sold it to someone...

-..who wanted to do turn it

-into a night club in the '80s, '90s.

-After a while,

-it closed down as a nightclub.

-It closed down and eventually

-got turned into an arts centre.

-That's what happens here

-on a daily basis now.

-What's in this building

-for visitors?

-There's a cafe if you want a cup

-of tea or something.

-There's a gallery with exhibitions.

-There's a theatre too.

-It's worth seeing the building.

-There are portraits around.

-Who are all these people?

-They're heroes and villains.

-We've made a book explaining

-who they are.

-They're people

-with a link to Merthyr.

-People who have created history

-and are from Merthyr.

-Yes, you can see Merthyr's history

-through the years.

-If I'm honest,

-before doing this programme...

-..Merthyr wouldn't have been

-at the top of my holiday list.

-I've changed my mind.

-After packing, I've had a chance

-to relax, had some adventures...

-..learned some history

-and met interesting people.

-A perfect holiday,

-I'm sure you'd agree.

-For more information,

-head to our website.

-Next time, I'll be

-heading to Betws-Y-Coed.

-I'll see you then.

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-Today, I'm in Cardigan

-to meet a father and son...

-..who paint pictures.

-Aneurin Jones, and his son, Meirion,

-are successful artists...

-..but their work

-is very different.

-If you need help

-to follow the programme...

-..consult the website or the app.

-Don't forget

-about the subtitles too.

-They say Aneurin Jones is my name.

-That is my name, and I've been

-Aneurin Jones from the beginning.

-I'm originally

-from the Brecon Beacons...

-..on the border between the

-old Carmarthenshire and Breconshire.

-I have two influences in my life.

-I lost my freedom in Cardigan.

-I've been very happy living here.

-I feel as if there's a trickle

-of Cardi blood in my veins.

-I can understand Cardis.

-I know all about their cunning...

-..their wisdom and their kindness.

-I've been a full-time artist

-since I retired as a teacher.

-This is the product

-of my work and my life.

-Ultimately, that's what it is...

-...my life, my way of life...

-..my way of thinking,

-my way of interpreting life.

-What inspired you to become

-an artist in the first place?

-What inspired me?

-It goes back through

-many generations of the family.

-I come from a family of dreamers...

-..a family full of creativity

-and, hopefully, across the board...

-..a family

-that's steeped in culture.

-Most of my family

-come from rural areas.

-They are plebeian and that's why

-the language is so important to me.

-Language is the creative force.

-Where do you find

-your creative inspiration?

-The small rural shows.

-Caio, Farmers...

-..Rhandirmwyn, Cilycwm...

-..Llangadog.

-A radius of around 20 to 25 miles

-from this area.

-That's where I meet the characters.

-Sadly, these characters

-are disappearing.

-The way they stood

-or leant on the gate...

-..the 'iet' or 'gat'

-in local parlance.

-They don't lean on gates anymore.

-They dress differently.

-The youngsters, the new wave...

-..there's little difference

-between young men living on farms...

-..and young men

-living in towns and cities.

-The most recent series of paintings

-is the Harvest Moon series.

-Tell us more about it.

-It's the product of 50 years

-of work, a long time.

-Some people think

-it shows a development.

-I'm not sure if it's a development

-or whether it's come full circle.

-It's those first experiences

-that always rise to the surface.

-Farming life today...

-..doesn't inspire me as an artist...

-..but when I meet people

-who've come down from the hills...

-..to attend the small rural shows...

-..and they gather together

-to talk and have fun...

-..to discuss, debate

-and look at livestock...

-..that provides

-plenty of inspiration.

-I've got to know these characters

-after all these years.

-They accept me...

-..not necessarily as an artist...

-..but as a person they know...

-..and to whom

-they feel a sense of belonging.

-White horses are important,

-particularly in Welsh mythology.

-They go back over many centuries.

-It's come down to this age too.

-If someone saw a spirit,

-it would be white.

-Often, my forefathers

-would see white horses.

-I think I saw a white horse myself,

-to be honest.

-People think I'm pulling their leg,

-but it's true.

-Both myself and my brother, Gron...

-..saw the same horse

-passing the farm window...

-..when we were nine

-or ten years old.

-I remember running out

-and there was nothing there.

-If these four walls could talk,

-they'd have a story to tell.

-At times!

-At times.

-They wouldn't always tell the truth.

-Tell us more about the process

-of drawing a picture.

-Do you take a picture

-using a camera first...

-..or do you sketch

-the picture first?

-A little of both.

-If there's a quick movement...

-..a Welsh Cob, a horse running...

-..you can't honestly sketch

-a picture of a horse running.

-It's moving.

-I get a camera to catch

-the action, that special movement.

-Then I work on the composition.

-I work out

-where everything will go.

-The same is true of this picture.

-Where does this character go?

-Which two stand together?

-Then the problems start,

-when you're drawing or painting.

-Which colours do you use?

-What mood are you in?

-If I'm tired, if I've been

-washing dishes or hoovering...

-..in all seriousness...

-..it shows up in the picture.

-A lot of blue colours.

-Some people call this

-the Celtic melancholy.

-It's true.

-At other times, you can feel happy

-and full of enthusiasm.

-You create something more colourful.

-That's why I use red

-for the roof sometimes.

-It's different.

-A breath of fresh air.

-How much time

-do you spend in the studio?

-My wife thinks

-I spend too much time here.

-She shouts at me sometimes,

-thinking I'm asleep!

-I sometimes am!

-It's a kind of release.

-They call it escapism.

-Be careful how you use

-and where you emphasize that word.

-In words,

-that's what creativity is all about.

-You escape from reality.

-For many people, reality is cruel.

-With this, you escape from reality.

-You create your own reality.

-When the children were young...

-..did they enjoy visiting Dad

-in the studio as he worked?

-Very often.

-They spent hours in here

-without me knowing.

-There's a little stool behind me.

-This is the stool

-Meirion would sit on.

-That's it -

-an old-fashioned milking stool.

-He'd watch you

-and be inspired himself.

-Very possibly.

-Yes, yes.

-He'd get ideas,

-not that he needed them.

-He had his own ideas.

-When I was seven years old,

-Mam-gu died.

-Mam-gu's brother, Benjamin Jones,

-a craftsman from Llanddeusant...

-..walked nine miles across the

-mountains to his sister's funeral.

-He met a man of the same age,

-both in their 70s...

-..who'd moved from Llanddeusant,

-across the mountain...

-..to live in a farm

-called Gwernwyddog.

-Both had attended the same

-primary school in Llanddeusant...

-..but hadn't seen each other

-for years.

-They met that day.

-One wore a heavy black cloth coat

-and a bowler hat.

-They shook hands.

-I was just a boy. I could see these

-two muscular men shaking hands.

-They had huge hands.

-I've interpreted that

-in a picture many times.

-It's part

-of my subconscious today.

-These are part

-of Aneurin's autobiography.

-Fifty years.

-Different eras,

-different experiences...

-..different areas.

-It's all become one...

-..in one large,

-comprehensive exhibition...

-..in this room and in this place.

-Is there one picture

-that sums up Aneurin's work?

-One picture you'd like people to

-remember when they think of Aneurin.

-Possibly Llyn y Fan Fach,

-the mythical tale.

-There's also a picture I painted

-many years ago called Dau Werinwr.

-I create about four pictures

-in print, initially...

-..for those who wanted them.

-I think they've reached

-many countries by now...

-..including Australia and America.

-People requested Dau Werinwr

-or Llyn y Fan.

-Is it difficult

-to let go of a picture...

-..a picture that's taken up

-hours and hours of your time?

-That's an excellent question.

-It happens to be true.

-You bid farewell to a member

-of your family, to some extent.

-You sell a part of you.

-It's been raised and nurtured

-inside you, as a person...

-..for perhaps 50 years.

-Or 25 years, whatever.

-It sees the light of day...

-..on a canvas at a particular time.

-After the break,

-I'll spend time with Meirion Jones.

-What will he have to say

-about his father, Aneurin?

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-Welcome back.

-I've met the father.

-Now, I'll spend time with the son.

-Meirion Jones

-is also a full-time artist.

-He lives just outside Cardigan.

-If you need help

-to follow the programme...

-..consult the website or the app.

-Don't forget

-about the subtitles too.

-I'm Meirion Jones.

-I'm an artist. I live near Cardigan,

-in a place called Rhoswerdd.

-I've been an artist

-for over a decade.

-I tend to paint pictures

-of what surrounds me...

-..people, coastlines and landscapes.

-How would you describe your work?

-I think it's work

-that constantly evolves.

-I don't think it falls

-into any specific category.

-I paint landscapes,

-coastlines and people.

-Some of my work

-is more experimental.

-What excites me as an artist...

-..is the evening light...

-..in Ceibwr, Aberystwyth,

-Aberporth or Gwbert.

-The landscape

-comes alive in the light.

-Without the light, the landscape

-is dull and dead in some ways.

-The light, which is incredible

-in this part of the world...

-..is like magic

-that brings everything to life.

-When Meinir and yourself

-were children...

-..did you enjoy watching

-your father painting in his studio?

-It was an instinctive experience.

-Both of us were interested

-in what was happening.

-In turn,

-we'd sit on a small milking stool...

-..and watch what he did.

-We took it all in.

-It might not have been evident

-at the time...

-..but the sponge in the memory

-can hold a lot.

-We'd learn

-which colours worked together...

-..and how the composition developed.

-When did you realize

-you wanted to be an artist?

-I think the penny had dropped

-before I was born.

-Something has always been there.

-It's been a long discussion.

-Is it the upbringing or is it

-something deeper, in the genes...

-..that influences

-a person's development?

-In my case,

-I think it was a bit of both.

-The pictures

-appeared naturally around me.

-I was very aware that they were

-more than paint on wood.

-When Joanna and I

-first moved to Rhoswerdd...

-..this building was a cowshed.

-We've transformed it into a studio.

-This is where it all happens.

-We spend more time here

-than we do in the house.

-This is the place

-we're naturally drawn to.

-This place screams and shouts out...

-..creativity,

-personality, imagination.

-This is where the mess

-turns into something else.

-It might be a reflection

-of my personality.

-Everything all over the shop.

-This is the way I work.

-I'm comfortable doing it like this.

-In Aneurin's pictures,

-we see thickset farmers...

-..with wide shoulders

-and large hands.

-In many of your pictures,

-we see women.

-Did you intentionally

-follow a different path?

-It wasn't intentional.

-I think it's something

-that came from somewhere else.

-The female shapes

-I see on the landscape...

-..and in the sea in particular...

-..emerge naturally from me.

-Has your father influenced you

-in a specific way over the years?

-Not specifically.

-The influence has been constant.

-The greatest influence

-is noticing the world around you...

-..being sincere and enjoying

-the process of painting.

-That's very important -

-deriving pleasure from the process.

-Simplifying.

-Moving away from the accuracy

-of photography.

-In the process of simplifying...

-..you find the mystery

-which catches someone's attention.

-I'm attracted to Ceibwr...

-..because it's been an inspiration

-to me for many decades.

-I hope it continues to inspire me.

-This scenery is incredible.

-There's no need to ask you

-what attracts you to this place.

-Everything is here.

-It's such a beautiful day.

-The weather is mild, there's

-a gentleness in the landscape.

-As you can imagine, during rough

-weather, it can be very dramatic.

-How often do you visit this place?

-I come here to recharge

-the batteries fairly often.

-It needs to be done.

-I find plenty of inspiration here.

-The power and emotion of the sea

-seeps into me.

-That energy can become

-creative energy.

-There's so much power and movement

-in the sea.

-How do you transfer that

-creatively into a picture?

-There's no point trying

-to describe every wave individually.

-Being fluid in your attitude

-is more important than that.

-Let the water

-do what it does naturally.

-Random effects are created,

-colours combine.

-As we look out,

-every second is different.

-Don't capture the moment,

-absorb the experience of being here.

-It's something

-that happens over time.

-All of us, as members

-of the family who like art...

-..enjoy returning

-to the meeting point in Heulwen...

-..to seek advice...

-..and make sure

-that we're on the right path.

-It's true to say that you've both

-collaborated on different projects.

-Yes, I think the most recent

-was a commission we received...

-..to paint the history of Drefach,

-Felindre, near Newcastle Emlyn.

-We thought it would take

-three months to complete.

-A year later, we were still at it.

-There were so many things

-to include in that picture.

-We spent a lot of time planning it.

-I think I was responsible

-for the spadework...

-..and I transferred responsibility

-for the final details at the end.

-What was it like collaborating

-with Meirion, your son?

-Very difficult.

-I had problems right from the start.

-No, it was a wonderful experience.

-We've shared the same vision,

-when it comes to art and drawing...

-..for many years.

-We see eye-to-eye -

-sometimes we debate and discuss...

-..but we usually agree

-with the vision.

-Do you see aspects of your work

-in Meirion's work?

-Meirion has his own way

-of looking at things.

-He has personal feelings

-that belong to this age.

-There are two different eras -

-father and son...

-..but two different periods

-in a person's life.

-The grandchildren

-have shown the same interest...

-..Tomos, Ifan and Deio with Meinir.

-Ifan, tell us more

-about this sketch.

-I was in our house in Carmarthen

-when I drew this one Christmas.

-Tad-cu was sitting down.

-I sat in front of him

-and started to sketch.

-I enjoy sketching,

-I've been doing it for many years.

-Often, on farms

-and in agriculture...

-..the son will follow

-in his father's footsteps...

-..and become a farmer.

-They believe

-they have that responsibility.

-With an artist,

-the son often follows another path.

-With my son, Meirion...

-..it just so happens

-that my interest and creativity...

-..has passed on to him.

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