Episode 13 Debatable

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Hello, and welcome to Debatable,

the quiz show where talk is cheap but celebrity chat can win a contestant money.

Today, one player must answer a series of tricky questions

to try to bag our jackpot of ?2,000.

But they're not on their own,

as they'll also have a panel of celebrity brainboxes debating their way to the answer.

Will they help or will they hinder?

Well, that's Debatable.

Let's meet them.

On today's show, we have TV presenter Gethin Jones,

broadcaster and journalist Angela Rippon,

and broadcaster Alice Levine.

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That is the panel.

Let's meet today's contestant.

It is Daniel Sherman from Rickmansworth.

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Nice to meet you. How you doing?

Tell us a little bit about yourself.

My name is Daniel. I'm from Rickmansworth.

I work in recruitment with my brother.

We've got a company called Liquid.

Previously in the Household Cavalry, where we do state occasions as

the Queen's personal bodyguard.

Personal bodyguard to the Queen.

On state occasions.

So talk us through some of the occasions.

As part of the ceremonial side,

line up the staircase of Buckingham Palace when people get awarded a knighthood or MBE from the Queen.

So we're fortunate enough to line up and act on ceremonial occasions like that.

From our panel,

who do we think should be getting the nod from Her Maj next?

Oh, Angela Rippon.

How does that sound? Dame Angela Rippon?

I'm thinking that's good.

I've already got an OBE, so I'm very happy with that.

I'm sitting here enjoying the thought of Daniel

in his black thigh boots...

Easy now. ..his jodhpurs and the breastplate.

Made my day. Daniel, you're my man.

And of course, your girlfriend is expecting twins, is that right?

Yeah, it's all go.

So, over the next couple of months, we're getting married and we've got

twins on the way. So everything to play for.

Everything to play for. So, absolutely no pressure on our panel.

We have a family on the way.

This man needs the money.

OK, let's get this Debatable show on the road as we play Round One.

This round is multiple choice.

Daniel, each question has four possible answers

but only one of those is correct.

Now, helping you, apparently, to the correct answer, is our panel.

Will you go with what they say or will you go your own way?

It's entirely up to you, Daniel.

There are two questions in this round

and each correct answer is worth ?200.

Lovely. So let's see if we can get you up to 400

at the end of this round.

Let's get cracking. Here we go.

So, Daniel, what are you looking at there?

What's drawing your eye first?

I'm not au fait with Italian but I'm looking at "pick me up" because of

the coffee element. Because of the coffee element.

Well, hold that thought as we go over to our panel.

Your debate starts now.

Well, first of all, tiramisu is interesting because I love coffee,

I can't live without coffee, but I don't like tiramisu.

It's sponge and cream and coffee, isn't it?

There's cheese in there? It's quite boozy as well.

It's quite boozy. It's coffee and alcohol,

you'd think that that would definitely pick you up.

And maybe at the end of the meal it's little pick me up after all...

But you don't have tiramisu for breakfast, do you?

I do. Do you?

I do. Wow.

But that's something I didn't want to announce(!)

Too much information, Alison.

Have you ever had tiramisu for breakfast, Angela?

No, never. Have you ever had a takeaway the next day for breakfast?

No. Have you ever had a Chinese, where the next day you have the Chinese

leftovers or a pizza?

Who has leftovers from a Chinese?

No. Correct answer, correct answer.

So, what do we reckon? "Pick me up," for coffee.

The layers are very close to each other, so, "hold me close"?

I've got a feeling, because it's tira-MIsu,

I've got a feeling it's ME.

So I think it's, "hold me close". I would trust you,

but just before the cameras went on, you said,

"I'm just going to blag it." So that's slightly concerning.

Just here for the ride.

So what are you going to go with, then? "Pick me up".

Pick me up. Pick me up.

Pick me up? Yes. Then we're going to go with, "pick me up" because I'm in

favour of democracy.

What are you feeling, Daniel?

Well, now that you've gone into it in more detail and you've got the words

tira, mi and su,

I'm just trying to think what word fits more appropriately to that.

So I may be swaying to go against the panel and go with what Angela

originally said, and "hold me close".

So your original thought was "pick me up"

and you're changing your answer to "hold me close"?

It's risky.

Yeah, I think I am.

I think I am, looking at the word.

OK, Angela. No pressure.

Here we go. For ?200, is it "hold me close"?

Oh, it's "pick me up"!

You should have gone with the panel, Daniel.

Should have stuck with it. Unfortunately, Daniel,

nothing in the prize pot for the first question

but we have plenty of time

to get that up. Here comes your next question.

Gut feeling, I would say platypus.

Any particular reason for that, Daniel?

I know that it's very closely linked to a duck, with the beak.

I don't know whether that might be a spawn off

over the evolutionary track

and whether or not that would still mean laying eggs.

The good news is, Daniel, is you don't have to give us an answer yet

because our panel are just going to nail this straightaway.

They're looking extremely confident.

It's over to you.

Your debate starts now.

Well, we've all watched wildlife programmes, haven't we?

Of course. And we've seen dolphins being born at sea, haven't we?

Yes. And I think the same for seals.

Seals. We've seen seals being born.

And I reckon, not that I've actually been present at a beaver's birth,

but I'm pretty certain that beavers are born as they come.

But platypus?

I once did a film on platypus.

Well, you know the answer, then!

But I've got a really short-term memory.

I remember the beak, the duck beak.

Yeah, that funny flat foot.

Definitely spends a bit of time in the water.

I can't remember if it...

If this is the summary, I can't wait to watch the show.

They do give birth to live young.

That is a trait of mammals.

And I feel like the platypus is the least mammalian of the lot because

it has those weird traits that we're talking about

and the kind of strange feet and things, doesn't it?

So I think we're quite confident that that's the odd one out,

but I've never sat down to breakfast and had platypus scrambled eggs,

so... You'd have tiramisu. I always order the tiramisu.

She's got leftover Chinese.

Why not? Just have a platypus egg as well.

She has weird breakfasts. She does, doesn't she?

What are we going to go with, then? I'm pretty confident with platypus.

I'm really confident with platypus.

OK. Platypus or dolphin?

Right. Well, I think we agree

dolphins do not produce eggs but it's more

than likely that platypus do.

Platypi? Platypus. Platypi.

OK. If we were giving out extra points we would give it to Alice,

of course, for platypi and mammalian.

I mean, you're just throwing them in there.

We'll be taking points off for Gethin Jones for actually making

a programme about platypus and forgetting everything in it.

They have very confidently gone for platypus.

Now, we went against the panel the first question

and it didn't work out. Are you going to go with them this time?

I'm definitely going to stick with platypus.

It just makes perfect sense.

Yeah, I definitely agree with what the panel were saying.

So, Daniel, you are going for platypus.

For ?200, is platypus the correct answer?

It is the correct answer.

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A platypus is a monotreme.

There he is, funny old face.

Unlike other mammals, they lay eggs rather than having

a live birth. The platypus is one of only two mammals,

the other is the echidna,

that actually lay eggs.

And so at the end of that round, Daniel, it's ?200 in the prize pot.

Excellent. Thank you.

Let's see how they cope with pictures.

It is time for Round Two.

Round Two is our picture round.

Daniel, all you have to do is to put three pictures in the correct order.

Two questions in this round.

Each correct answer is worth ?300, so here we go.

Classic comedy there, Daniel. What are you thinking?

At the moment, I'm liking Norman Stanley

to be first that appeared.

Then Basil Fawlty and then Del Boy at the end.

That's what I'm...just randomly.

It's kind of a little bit before my time but that's what I'm going for.

A little bit before your time.

Mm-hm. A little bit before my time as well.

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Let's go to our panel, who no doubt will shed some light on the subject.

Panel, your debate starts now.

Here we go. Well,

I reckon that Del Boy was the last...

To appear? To appear.

The last to appear. You don't think Fawlty Towers.

Cos it was only two series, Fawlty Towers.

I know, but I think these came after.

Was it? Only 12 episodes, I think.

I think this is definitely the first.

I think Fletch was really, really early.

I think it's a toss up, actually, between Fletch and Basil.

I remember that the least.

I think that one was the first one.

Yes, I think that's definitely the earliest.

And then this one came second. You see, I disagree.

I think Only Fools And Horses and then Fawlty Towers.

Really? But...I mean, I am the youngest out of everyone, one, so...

Basil was quite a long, long time ago.

But that little three-wheeler, though, that's old.

That's old technology. I know, but they're still around.

That was the whole point. They're not still around, Angela!

Of course they are! Do you drive a three-wheeler?

That's a really good point.

I'm sure Basil's car was older than the Robin Reliant.

That was part of the joke, that he only had a three-wheeler.

I love that we're explaining the joke of Only Fools And Horses

to Gethin! So the joke is...

The joke is they've got only three wheels.

No, I'm going to base this on cars.

This is perfect. Basil was before because it was an older car.

I think he had an old, like, Rover 300.

I'm happy with that. Yes?

You don't look convinced.

I still think maybe old Basil should go at this end,

but let's stick with this.

I think there's the most unanimous front on this, isn't there?

But I reserve the right to be a know-it-all if I was right.

Yeah. All right, we're going to stick with what we've got.

We're going to put that the oldest one is Fletch,

that the middle one is Basil and the youngest one is Del Boy.

They got there in the end, Daniel.

The good news is that you have comedy performer Alice Levine on the end.

We have Angela Rippon, who's appeared in classic '70s comedy,

at the BBC, and they're trying to work it out

from the age of the cars.

I'm kind of remembering that Fletch

and Del Boy, as actors, appeared in a series together.

Open All Hours.

Yeah. And the ages were quite different between the two.

So I'm agreeing with the panel. You're agreeing with the panel.

You are going for Fletch, then Basil, then Del Boy.

For ?300, is that the correct order?

It is the correct order!

We got there, we got there.

There we go. Norman Stanley Fletcher appeared on TV in 1973.

Basil Fawlty, '75.

And then Del Boy not until 1981.

So, 300 quid is added to the prize pot

and that gives you a total, Daniel, of 500 quid. Well done.

Excellent. Thank you.

Now we're rolling, panel.

Now we're rolling. Here we go.

Let's see if we can get this up for another 300.

Here comes your next question.

I've got a pretty confident guess

that Tim Peake would be the most recent.

Corbyn was elected by then.

And I think Madonna happened a lot earlier in 2015.

Hand it over to the panel. Your debate time starts now.

The person who tied that cape is...

let's be honest... Must be...

Either fired or dead, let's be honest.

They genuinely must be.

When was it? The communal gasp in the room was like nothing else,

and also when she hit the stage there was a kind of...

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Can't look. So the Brit Awards, if my memory is correct,

are at the end of February.

Late February is when that happened, 2015.

Right.

That's definitely first. So Corbyn elected leader in the middle

and Tim most recently. What month was Corbyn elected?

It was after the General Election. I think Corbyn's after.

Tim was in space when Corbyn was elected, surely?

Corbyn was elected leader of the Labour Party

after the General Election.

Yeah. I think it's between those two which one came first.

And because I don't know enough about...

Don't bring Madonna back into it. Madonna's fine. She's the oldest.

Yeah. She's the oldest. I'd swap those two.

Corbyn can't be pre-February.

No. So that's definitely right.

Yeah. We are not agreed on this.

But we are going to go with Madonna being the oldest,

Corbyn being in the middle, and Tim Peake being the youngest.

So, a unanimous decision, Daniel, by our panel.

I definitely think Madonna's first.

I vaguely remember Tim Peake doing the London Marathon

in space and that wasn't too long after he launched up there,

so I'm going to stick with my original thought and the panel

and go with Madonna, Corbyn and then Tim Peake.

You're agreeing with the panel.

No pressure, Angela.

Is that the correct order, for ?300?

Yes. It is!

Well done, Angela. You were right to pull them into line there.

Madonna falls at the Brits was 25th February.

Then Corbyn elected Labour leader was 12th September and Tim Peake

launched into space, not until 15th December.

So, Daniel, at the end of that round

your prize pot is up to 800 quid.

Well played. Excellent.

Thank you very much.

Look, there's still ?1,000 up for grabs, as we play Round Three.

In this round, you will face a question

that has three statements relating

to a person, a place or a thing.

Only one of those statement is true.

You must decide which one.

Two questions in this round and because it's our final round

we're going to up the cash to 500 quid a question.

So, best of luck.

Here it comes.

Now, you're a man familiar with the corridors of power, Daniel.

What are we thinking about this?

I'm going, gut feeling, B, at the moment.

I'd like to hear what the panel has to say.

Well, they've been right so far all the way through.

Angela has a smile on her face.

Quietly confident.

Your debate time starts now.

Well, each member belongs to a political party,

I know for a fact that is not true because you can be an independent.

Of course, Martin Bell, famously, was an independent.

We all know that there are 624 members in the House of Commons.

Yes. There are at least 700 peers, if not more.

I've never seen someone really young.

Who's the youngest member at the moment? She's Scottish.

And she is.... I think she's only 21.

She is really young. She's 21, she is a Scottish MP.

Have you it seen on her Wiki page?

Have you got proof she's 21?

Do you believe everything you see on Wikipedia?

Absolutely everything. Oh, my gosh.

It says that I was once on Blind Date and in The Mighty Boosh.

And was it true? No. I rest my case.

I think you're right about the political party one.

That's kind of the one we're most sure on.

I agree with that as well. I don't think we have to debate

for very long about this, do we?

Well, I've learnt my lesson here.

I was just checking every avenue for Daniel's sake.

You were. So we have a consensus?

We agree that the House of Commons has fewer members

than the House of Lords.

So our panel says they agree.

Angela has brought in her political and constitutional knowledge.

Has fewer members than the House of Lords,

overriding Gethin's Wikipedia Blind Date knowledge.

I'm definitely going to agree with the panel on this one.

I'll go for B. OK.

You're agreeing with the panel.

For ?500...

..does the House of Commons have fewer members

than the House of Lords?

It does.

Well done. Well done.

Members must be at least 18 years old.

You were right about that, Angela.

Mhari Black is the youngest MP at the moment.

She's 21. The House of Lords has over 800 members,

the House of Commons has 650.

Well played. That's another 500 quid in the prize pot,

which means you have a new total of ?1,300.

Excellent.

Let's try and get the last 500 to get us

up to 1,800 for our final debate, Daniel. Here it comes.

This is our era, Daniel, is it?

Um... No. No?

You're way too young? Way too young, yes.

Most definitely.

I'm liking A. That's the one you're tipping towards at the moment?

At the moment. Yeah.

What we really need is someone with a misspent youth.

Where would we get that, Gethin Jones?

Easy. Over to you, guys.

The debate starts now.

The Rubik's cube. Yeah.

Bane of my childhood.

I never actually did it. Have you ever completed it?

Well, you peel it off, don't you?

You peel off the colours and then rearrange them.

Yeah, that's how you do it.

When you were doing that did you see any pink faces?

No. I feel like one of the most iconic things about it

is the colours. Has it got pink on it?

No, it's yellow, green, blue...

Yellow. White and red.

There's no pink. You wouldn't just put pink faces

and then just get rid of the colour altogether, would you?

I have no idea on this.

Absolutely none at all. Get rid of pink faces, for sure.

German inventor? It sounds Germanic, doesn't it?

It sounds Germanic. Yeah. I'm wondering...

But I'm not sure that he was.

Wasn't he Scandinavian, the guy who invented it?

Yeah, I'm not sure about German inventor.

The thing is, with all these great things,

they're usually called something different at the start.

It's like a TV programme. It's a working title

and then gets named something. Magic. Yeah, Magic Cube.

Magic Cube sounds like a knock-off one, though, doesn't it?

Should have called it painful cube. Most frustrating cube in the world.

Why would it now be called a Rubik's Cube

if it was then called a Magic Cube?

Because that's what happens in life. But if you were John Rubik

you'd be like, "I want my name on it immediately."

Well, maybe he just wasn't boastful.

I have no clue on this one, so I'm going to give it to you two.

Make your mind up time. I'm going to say Magic Cube.

I'm going to say German inventor.

Oh.

You've got to go pink faces.

This is a really difficult one,

but I'm going to go with Gethin and what Daniel said originally,

which is German inventor?

So, Alice thought it was originally called the Magic Cube.

Gethin thought it was a German inventor.

You think it's also a German inventor.

Angela didn't know but she's gone with your original answer.

The panel is agreeing with you.

Mm. Anything in there that would make you change your mind?

The colours, the prime colours - red, yellow, green,

blue, then black and white.

So I think that would always be the case.

Magic Cube, it's more of a puzzle cube.

Germans known for engineering, it's quite an engineered object,

so I'm going to, in agreement,

stick with my original and say German inventor.

If this is the correct answer it's another 500,

bringing you up to ?1,800.

If not, we stay at 1,300.

For ?500, was the Rubik's Cube invented by a German?

No!

It was originally sold as the Magic Cube

on its release in 1977 but then it

was rebranded the Rubik's Cube in 1979.

The inventor was Hungarian - Erno Rubik.

The colours are white, yellow, red, orange, blue and green.

So our panel come unstuck there, Daniel.

I'm afraid we don't add that 500 quid

but you're still playing for ?1,300

in our final debate.

It's still a tidy sum.

It's still quite a good amount of money.

What would you do with the cash if we got it today?

It's got to be nappies.

I'm under instructions to come back with a car,

so it's definitely going to go towards that.

OK. For ?1,300,

it may be the three-wheeled car that we were talking about earlier on.

But there's just one question

between you and that money and that is today's final debate.

In our final debate, Daniel, you will face one question.

The question has six possible answers, only three are correct.

In order to win the cash, you're going to have to give me all three correct answers.

But as this is the final debate,

you're not going to be playing on your own.

We are going to let you choose one of our panel to help you with

the question. You and your celebrity will have 45 seconds to answer

the question. So who, based on their performance today,

would you like to join you for the final debate?

Thinking about it,

the ones that I've done well on I've been in agreement with Angela,

the ones I haven't got right, Alice has said.

So, on that basis, no pressure - but I'm going to go with Alice.

Alice, would you please come and join us as we play our final debate.

So, Alice. Daniel has chosen you for the final debate.

Obviously he has confidence in you.

Do you have confidence in yourself?

It really depends what the subject is.

Because you realise how much your very good team

was supporting you there.

We're going to do it together. I think we are going to be fine.

I have confidence. Every confidence.

We're going to give you two categories for your final debate question.

Have a look at this.

You can have Sport...

ALICE LAUGHS

Don't worry, Alice.

..or Literature.

Sport or Literature.

What would you like to go with?

Not a fan of sport, really.

I don't watch sport at all. I don't read that much, either.

But out of the two...

You went to university, so...

I did English, but Literature,

I don't know if that's going to be my...

I know nothing about sport, really,

So I'm going to have to go Literature.

It's OK. We can still do this.

You're going with Literature.

Yes.

For ?1,300, with 45 seconds on the clock,

here is today's final debate question.

So, Daniel and Alice, for the final time today,

your 45 seconds starts now.

Don't look at me, Daniel. Don't look at me.

No problem. OK.

Any spring out at you?

I know Frankenstein's an old...

I've read The Catcher In The Rye, JD Salinger.

Is that more modern? More contemporary.

Gulliver's Travels was...

Frankenstein's going to be old. Yeah. Dracula is going to be old.

That's a really... Robinson Crusoe as well, isn't that quite old?

Yes. 1984, is that set in the future being...

Yeah, but it's a contemporary novel, but kind of like...

Yeah, future-facing.

So... If you're looking at maybe... That was done in the '50s and '60s.

Frankenstein's definitely before that.

So let's discount 1984, let's discount the Catcher In The Rye.

Gulliver's Travels. What do we think?

Gulliver's Travels... I think they wouldn't be too...

Time up, guys. Daniel, I need three answers, please.

I am going to go with Frankenstein,

Robinson Crusoe and...Dracula.

OK, they're locked in.

If they are the three correct answers,

you leave today with ?1,300.

If one of those is wrong,

I'm afraid, Daniel, you do leave with nothing.

So, best of luck. First up, you said Frankenstein.

Is Frankenstein a correct answer?

It is.

Then you said Robinson Crusoe.

Is Robinson Crusoe one of the three novels that were published earliest?

Well done, you.

Two out of two.

It's all down to Dracula.

If Dracula is correct, you walk away with the jackpot of ?1,300.

If Dracula is wrong, you do leave with nothing.

Oh, God.

Is Dracula the correct answer for the money?

Oh... Wrong answer.

It's the wrong answer. It's Gulliver's Travels.

Gulliver's Travels.

I'm so sorry. No problem. Thank you very much.

Let's go through it here.

The correct answers.

So, Frankenstein first, was published in 1818.

Robinson Crusoe was published...

1719.

And the answer you were looking for was Gulliver's Travels and you were

between the two. That was the one.

Yeah. And that was published in 1726.

You didn't win today's prize pot

but you played the game so well and thanks so much for coming on.

Give it up one more time for Daniel.

Thank you. Thank you very much.

That is it for Debatable.

There's just enough time for me to thank the fantastic panel.

Alice Levine, Gethin Jones and Angela Rippon.

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I hope you've enjoyed watching. We will see you next time

for more heated debates. For now, it's goodbye from me.

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