Episode 14 Debatable

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Hello, and welcome to Debatable, the quiz

show where talk is cheap but celebrity chat

can win a contestant money. Today, one player must answer

a series of tricky questions to try to bag our jackpot of ?2,000.

But they are not on their own.

They'll also have a panel of celebrity brainboxes

debating their way to the answer.

Will they help or will they hinder? Well, that's debatable!

So, let's meet them! On today's show, we have...

Retired MP and writer Ann Widdecombe...

broadcaster Dan Walker...

and comedian Russell Kane.

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That is our panel. Let's meet today's contestant.

It is Carolynne Selway from Reading!

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Welcome to the show. How are you doing?

Thank you. I'm very well, thank you. Tell us a little bit about yourself.

Well, I'm Carolynne, I'm a senior trauma nurse

from Reading in Berkshire. And you are just retired

as a nurse, is that correct?

Yes. You've also just taken up indoor skydiving? Yes.

I absolutely love indoor skydiving. This very nice young man says,

"Right, relax into my arms." There I go - aaah, in!

And he grabs my leg - which, for a middle-aged woman, is wonderful!

And he's spinning me round, and

I'm going, "I could get used to this!" And now I try

and go about once a month. This sounds very

much like Ann's appearances on Strictly Come Dancing.

Absolutely. I did actually fly in...once.

Yes, you did, I saw that. Yes. That was magnificent.

You know what Craig said to me? He said, "It all went well

"until you landed."

Harsh, very harsh. But true! What do we make of our panel, Carolynne?

I think they're going to help me and win me some money!

OK, Carolynne, let's see if we can get some cash for you

as we play Round One!

This round is multiple choice. Carolynne, each question

has four possible answers.

Only one of those is correct. Our panel, of course, are

going to help you find those answers.

You can decide to go with them, you can decide to go it alone.

It is entirely up to you. There's two questions in this round,

and each question is worth ?200.

All set? Yes. Ready to play?

Absolutely. OK. Let's do it. Here we go. Question one.

What's your gut reaction, if you had to choose one?

If I had to choose one,

it would be Balaclava. And do we know who that's named after?

Mr Balaclava. You walked into that one. I did walk into that one.

I teed you up for that one! Let's see if our

panel can bring any more sense to this.

Panel, your debate starts now. Well, I don't think it's Balaclava.

Balaclava's a place, isn't it? Yes, exactly.

Geography, isn't it? Yes. Do you speak any Spanish? No.

I'm trying to translate

the parts of "sombrero". I didn't know if you might

know the Spanish for "wind".

"Sun" is definitely "sol"... Yeah. So it could be a compound word

built from "sun" and..."wind", or something

like that, I don't know. Pork-pie can't... Surely.

I went to school with a guy

called Michael Pork, but... It could be,

because someone's nickname could be

Pork-pie. They could have started wearing the hat, and then...

I still come down to Stetson,

but I fear it, only because it's so obvious.

I mean, of the whole lot, it's the obvious one

that could be a surname. I did, like,

a Wild West shoot-out experience.

And the reason it sticks in my mind is you had to go

into the hat shop, and I... Everyone was making

fun of me because the largest hat didn't fit my head,

even though I'm not the biggest bloke.

So I looked inside a lot of them. And I can't be sure...

I honestly think I saw some sort of initial and Stetson, perhaps.

OK. Maybe the letter J sticks in my mind.

Balaclava's a place, "sombrero" I feel like is a compound noun

of "sun" and "wind". Pork-pie I would say is

derived, the fact it's shaped like a pie. Yeah.

So we would guess Stetson. So, in summary,

Ann says Stetson, Russell says Stetson.

We're going with Stetson. OK.

Carolynne, the panel is going with Stetson. OK.

I quite liked the panel's rationale for all of that.

Balaclava was my first, initial reaction...

OK, I'm going to agree with the panel and say Stetson.

OK, you are going with the panel?

Yes. They have managed to change your mind.

For ?200, is the Stetson named after a person?

Please don't be Pork-pie! Please don't be Pork-pie!

Yes! It is the correct answer! Thank you! You're up and running.

Well done. Well done, panel.

The Stetson is named after the American hat-maker

who designed it. It was John...

J! J Stetson! I knew it! Well done, you are up and running.

Thank you. ?200 in the bank!

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OK, here we go, let's see if we can get it up to 400.

Here's your next question.

Shed some light on this for us! OK. Sulphur - well,

it can come out of one end.

Oxygen - in and out.

Hydrogen... Mmm. Calcium - the bones, teeth, most things.

So, I am going to go for calcium. OK.

Carolynne is going for calcium. Panel, the debate starts now.

This is a tough one, isn't it?

Ann's got a gut instinct. Yes.

I've got quite a strong gut instinct.

I read somewhere that water... Yes. ..makes up a very

large proportion of our bodies.

H2O. And oxygen you find in water.

Yes, but you get two hydrogen molecules for every oxygen.

Every oxygen. I don't think it's calcium, because calcium

is in the bones and the teeth, but where else?

You've got a lot of bones and quite a few teeth. But...

I suppose they're not entirely made of calcium.

If all you were was a skeleton...

Yeah. ..you'd be in a pretty bad way.

We're sort of fighting against a nurse here, aren't we?

I wouldn't worry about that. Oh, right, OK.

Don't want to end up in triage. If I were making

a judgment on that, I would say water,

what does water consist of?

H2O. Therefore hydrogen.

So, then, Ann is going for hydrogen. Hydrogen.

Russell, again with the water, is going for hydrogen.

And as a panel, that is where we are leading you, towards hydrogen.

Carolynne, what do you think? Have they changed your mind on that?

They are right, we are mainly made of water. We are...

a good 85% to 90% water.

I think actually I'm probably

going to go with hydrogen, because we are a lot of water.

And I'm probably shooting myself in my metatarsal, and...

Go for hydrogen! Oh...

God, we're apologising! OK, the panel has

managed to sway you. Our panel of medical professionals!

If we get this wrong, do not ask us to take your temperature, all right?

OK, if it is correct, it's another 200 into

the prize pot. Here we go.

For ?200, is hydrogen the most common element

found in the human body?

Oxygen! It was oxygen.

65% of the human body is oxygen.

Calcium only accounts for 1.4% of the body,

sulphur, 0.25%, hydrogen, 10%.

Wow. At the end of that round,

you have ?200 in the prize pot.

Lovely, thank you.

So, the question is, Carolynne, at the end of our first round,

how do we think our panel's doing?

Mmm, they're 50-50, as you can tell. But they're doing all right.

They're on my side, which is what I like.

If we had to choose one of them to play the final debate,

based on our first round, who would that be?

Russell, at the moment. Well, make sure

and pay close attention, because you can only

choose one to play the final debate at the end of the show.

Let's see how they do with pictures. It is time for Round Two!

OK, Carolynne, Round Two is the picture round.

All you have to do is to place three pictures in

the correct order. Right.

It sounds simple, but it's not.

There are two questions in this round,

and each of them is worth ?300, so let's see if we can

get this cash up for you. Here we go.

How are you on sport?

Erm, I'll go home now. Er...! Well, look, don't worry,

because we have a very intelligent panel at

hand who will just give us this answer almost immediately!

Yeah! Let's go to our panel. Your debate starts now.

I've got a cousin born in 1984,

and they always wanted to visit their Olympic city.

And that's Los Angeles, so I know that

one for a fact. But I think...

1984, '84. I think Los Angeles has

hosted a Summer Games before that. So...

Really? Yeah, I think they did it in the '30s. Paris, you remember

Eric Liddell, he won his gold medal at the Paris Games.

Chariots Of Fire, based on Eric Liddell.

Paris, also, I'm sure Paris hosted it really early,

like, 1900 and 1924. Los Angeles, '84,

but also, I don't know for certain,

but I'm sure they did it in the 1930s.

And Rome's definitely 1960. So you would go for Paris as

the first, yes? Paris is the first.

I'm pretty certain that should go first. I think it's

Paris, Rome, Los Angeles. Do you know,

that's my gut instinct, but I may be misleading

myself just because Los Angeles is, if you like,

more modern than Rome. The 2012 Games, I did

a piece on the history of the Olympics for BBC Sport.

Oh, well... We defer immediately! I can't remember

exactly what I said, but I'm pretty sure I said

Los Angeles had hosted the Games more than once.

OK. My instinct is to put them the other way

around but, because you got Los Angeles...

We're deferring to you. As a panel, I shall extend

the neck and go for Paris as the earliest host

followed by Los Angeles, we think, in the 1930s,

and then Rome in 1960. So, Carolynne,

Dan hosted a show. He can't remember what was

in the show, but he thinks that LA has hosted it twice, and Ann and

Russell have both deferred to their sports leader,

Mr Dan Walker. Paris, LA, Rome.

Well, he's my sports god, so if...

Paris, yes, I can see that going first before Rome.

It's whether it's Rome, Los Angeles.

I'm not sure that Los Angeles has done it twice.

I've got to thinking that Rome did it before Los Angeles,

because that was quite a modern, a real sort of razzmatazz one,

so I'm sorry, Dan. It's OK.

I'm going to go with Russell's thinking on this,

that I think it's Paris, Rome, Los Angeles.

So, Carolynne, at the start of this

question you said you knew nothing about sport.

On the panel, we had the voice of BBC Sport,

who has suggested Paris, LA, Rome.

However, you've decided to go against our panel

and with the judgment of Russell Kane, who

himself says he knows nothing about sport!

You're going for Paris,

Rome, LA. It's just I... Yes. Is this the correct order?

It's the wrong order, Carolynne. Let's see the correct order.

Paris. Sorry, Dan. I'm sorry for not being more persuasive.

Yeah. Paris hosted it in 1900.

LA first hosted the Games in 1932,

and Rome was in 1960.

That's all right.

No, should have gone with Dan.

He knew what he was talking about. You're still on ?200.

Let's see if we can get it up. Here's our next question.

Ever seen any of those shows? No, much

to my dismay. I'd love to have seen all three.

I thought Blood Brothers had the fewest.

So, the order you put? Blood Brothers...

Starlight Express, then Cats. OK, that's your first thought.

Blood Brothers, Starlight Express

and then Cats with the most performances.

Let's see if our panel can help you out. Your debate starts now.

First of all, which are still open and which are closed?

Did Willy Russell write Blood Brothers?

I've seen that in about four different theatres,

some of those in the West End, so that's been

going a long time. Starlight Express isn't running any more.

I don't think it is, but

it ran for a very, very, very long time.

But was it before Cats? This is the thing.

Oh, it's not before... What I mean is, if it started after

Cats and it's now finished... I reckon it started after Cats.

Then we can discount it, Cats is still going.

Cats is king, we think? Cats is king.

I think Cats has definitely been going the longest.

Which is what Carolynne said as well, didn't she?

So we can put Cats at this end straightaway.

Let's get Cats out the way.

It's between these two, Blood Brothers

and Starlight Express, for the fewest.

I know nothing about Blood Brothers. I don't.

The music in it is fantastic.

If you had to gamble an era it's from...

I think he wrote it in the '80s.

That has... I've always seemed to read articles about it

having really long runs.

Yes, Starlight had a very, very long run.

I think that's correct.

I'm very tempted to go Blood Brothers, Starlight Express,

with Cats as king. Correct, I agree.

We, as a panel, are going to go

for Blood Brothers as the fewest,

followed by Starlight Express,

and we think that Cats is king, at the end.

They have gone for Blood Brothers, the fewest performances,

then Starlight Express, they're all pretty much agreed

that Cats is the one that has the longest run.

I think they're right with Cats as the longest run,

because that is still going.

Counting on Blood Brothers as the fewest, I agree.

Starlight Express, then Cats.

My thoughts exactly.

My thoughts exactly.

We have absolute harmony between

our panel and our player.

Everyone is going for Blood Brothers

with the fewest number of performances,

then Starlight Express and then Cats.

Let's hope you're all right.

For ?300 into the prize pot,

the correct order is...

Ah! Oh, no!

Starlight, Blood Brothers, Cats.

Let's see what the right order was, Carolynne.

Oh, no! Really?

No way!

It was Starlight Express,

7,406 West End performances.

Cats, 8,049,

Blood Brothers over 10,000, 10,030.

The longest-running musical

is Les Miserables

with over 12,000 performances and still going strong.

Sorry, Carolynne, you didn't manage to bank anything in that round.

Your prize pot is still ?200.

Right.

So, how is our panel faring?

Are they proving useful for you or not?

They'd be at the back of my triage list at the moment,

but, no, they're doing OK.

They're pulling themselves forward a bit more.

So still ?1,000 up for grabs, as we play round three.

In this round, you'll face questions about a person, a place or a thing.

Only one of those statements is true.

You must decide which one it is.

There are two questions in this round

and, because it's your final round, each question's worth ?500

so we can still get that cash up for you.

Thank you. Best of luck. Here's your first question.

A, B, C, what do we think?

Uh...

A, holds record for most re-tweeted Twitter post ever

is my first thought.

That's your first thought. Yes.

Let's get the first thought of the panel.

Your debate starts now.

I do know for a solid fact that he's the top tweeter.

Yes. I know that, that is just fact.

But this is very specific.

It says a re-tweeted post, one re-tweeted post,

that doesn't necessarily... He's got 70 million-odd followers.

I think when he took office,

I think that is the tweet they're talking about.

There was a lot for

the Ellen DeGeneres photo at the Oscars.

He took office some while ago - that still holds? I think so.

I remember interviewing David Cameron at Number Ten

and he said that he was born in the year

that England won the World Cup, which is '66.

And Barack Obama, I think,

was born at the start of that decade

so I think Barack Obama's older.

I think it was 1961. So I think he's older than David Cameron.

Anyone know anything about the Grammy?

I just wondered - cos he won the Nobel Peace Prize, right?

I wonder if there's some speech that he recorded that's so iconic,

it went out as an MP3 or a track and it's won a Grammy

as well as him winning the...controversially...

It's certainly the least likely when you look at it.

Surely that's the sort of thing you'd hear a lot about if he'd...

None of us actually specifically recall that he won a Grammy.

Not at all. All right, then. We are unified.

We are going for Barack Obama holding the record

for the most re-tweeted Twitter post ever.

That's what our panel thinks. They have gone for,

"Holds the record for the most re-tweeted Twitter post ever."

I don't think he's won a Grammy.

It's not something that I've seen or heard or read anywhere.

He's definitely older than David Cameron so, again,

holds the record for the most re-tweeted Twitter post ever.

OK, Carolynne, that was what you first thought.

Your first thought was that he does hold the record

for the most re-tweeted Twitter post.

Put ?500 into the prize pot, get you up to ?700.

Is A the correct answer?

Oh, no!

It's the wrong answer.

Barack Obama has actually won a Grammy.

Barack Obama's "four more years" tweet

was actually the most tweeted tweet at the time

but it's actually, since, been taken over

by the Oscar selfie that you mentioned, Dan.

David Cameron was born in 1966. Barack Obama was born in 1961.

He has not only one but two Grammys,

for Best Spoken Word in the album category.

So, Carolynne, unfortunately, you didn't get that one right.

We're still on 200. We have one more question.

Let's see if we can get into the prize pot,

so you're playing for 700 in our final debate.

Best of luck. Here we go.

Question two in our final round.

My first thought is the largest of the big cats.

That's going to be my first thought.

OK. Come on, panel, let's see if we can get Carolynne up to ?700.

The debate starts now.

Can you name me anything other than a lion, cat-wise,

that actually lives in prides or groups?

Cheetahs are solitary. Leopards.

Jaguars. Leopards are definitely solitary.

Trying to think of all those wildlife documentaries,

do you ever see a group of cats...?

Tigers are solitary.

Tiger, leopard, jaguar, cheetah, all solitary.

But you always see those groups of lions, don't you, the pride?

I don't think the lion is the biggest cat.

No, I'm pretty sure it's not. What about the zodiac?

You wouldn't have a lion in the Chinese zodiac, would you,

because what would be their experience of lions?

By the power of deduction,

have we worked our way towards an answer?

I think it's the third.

Right. We feel, as a panel,

that lions are the only big cats that live in groups.

Right. So, Carolynne, for the final time,

that is what our panel made of that one.

OK. I'm going to concur with the group and go with C.

You've gone with them. You're saying that the lion

is the only big cat that lives in groups.

For ?500, and to get our prize pot up to 700,

the correct statement is...

Yes!

The only big cat that lives in groups. Well done.

Thank you. We got there in the end. Well done.

We've finally got the money up. So we will add 500 to your prize pot

and, at the end of that round,

you'll be playing for ?700 in our final debate.

Thank you.

So, Carolynne, if you win the money, any plans for it?

Well, I think I would like to actually do a proper skydive.

I might actually pluck up the courage

to go and jump out of a plane.

Well, there's only one question that stands between you and that money,

and it is in today's final debate.

In the final debate, you'll face one question.

It has six possible answers with only three answers correct.

In order to get the money today,

we need you to find all three correct answers,

but you will not be playing alone.

We will be making life a little bit more tricky,

as you can only choose one celebrity from the panel,

so you and your celeb will have 45 seconds to debate the question.

Who, from our panel, is going to be playing that final debate with you?

Who's impressed you? Well, actually, they all have.

I'm going to go with Dan.

You're going to go with Dan? Yes. Did you hear that from Ann?

"Are you joking?" LAUGHTER

Such a shock, Ann! It's a good shout, because,

if sport comes up, you're in.

This is it. This is what I'm hoping.

OK, so, Dan, would you please join us

as we play today's final debate? I will.

So, Dan, Carolynne has put her faith in you.

How are you feeling? Understandable!

I'm feeling the weight of responsibility, but I think...

We tried our best to help you along the way

and hopefully we can send you home with that ?700.

Come on, Carolynne, we can do this together.

OK, here we go. I'm going to give you two categories

to choose from, Carolynne, for your final debate.

Here they come.

What are you like on books?

I read a lot, but it depends on what nature,

what it is about.

If you're confident in your literature knowledge,

go with literature and I'll try and help out where I can.

Again, it's...

But I actually quite like the idea of the royalty questions,

because I quite like history, as well.

Let's do it. I studied history at university, so...

It's more likely to be some historical... I'm hoping.

OK. Let's do royalty.

OK, Carolynne has decided it is going to be royalty.

She likes a history question.

For ?700,

with 45 seconds on the clock,

here is today's final debate question.

Carolynne and Dan, for the final time today,

your 45 seconds starts now.

Certain about Victoria.

Yes, Victoria.

She is definitely in there.

In terms of the rest of them,

Henry VIII was around for a while.

He was. He did quite a lot.

Edward VIII didn't. I think we can

discount him, don't you?

OK. Mary I -

was she Mary Queen of Scots, Mary?

Yeah, yeah. So, she's not...

I think we can discount those two.

I think George III did quite a lot.

OK. Of years.

I wonder how long Richard...

He's the Princes in the Tower, isn't he?

Yeah... Richard III, Richard III was the one,

I mean, he wasn't around for much.

You've only got seven seconds left,

so Victoria, Henry VIII and one other. George.

OK. Happy with those?

Victoria, Henry VIII and George.

I'm on your team. We can do this!

Time is up. Well debated.

We need three answers, Carolynne, for the ?700.

Which are you going for?

Victoria. Victoria.

Henry VIII. Henry VIII.

And George III. And George III.

If those three answers are correct, you leave with ?700.

If one of them is incorrect,

I'm afraid you leave with nothing, so best of luck.

Don't look at me like that!

For ?700, we're looking for three correct answers.

First up, you said Victoria.

Is Victoria one of the three British monarchs

who reigned for the longest time?

It's a correct answer. You're up and running.

63 years on the throne.

Next up, you said Henry VIII.

To stay in the game, with the chance of 700,

is Henry VIII one of our longest-running monarchs?

Yes. It's a correct answer.

37 years.

37 years. Lasted way longer than the wives!

The final answer you gave me, Carolynne, was George III.

If George III is the correct answer, you leave today with ?700.

If it's not George III, I'm afraid you leave with nothing.

Best of luck from us all. Quiz cuddle. Quiz cuddle.

For ?700, is George III one of the three British monarchs up there

who has reigned for the longest time?

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A hug for Dan. Congratulations! Well played. Well done, Dan.

Thank you. Well done. 59 years on the throne.

Carolynne, you've won ?700. Well played.

That is it for Debatable.

There's just enough time for me to thank our fantastic panel,

Dan Walker, Ann Widdecombe and Russell Kane.

We hope you've enjoyed watching.

We'll see you next time for more heated debates.

For now, it's goodbye from me.

The case against you is too strong.

It's not a question of whether you'll be found guilty, but when.

I am a gentleman.

I am a gentleman's wife.

Soon to be a gentleman's widow.

In truth, I would do the same again.