Episode 16 Debatable

Hello and welcome to Debatable,

the quiz show where a panel of celebrities

try to win money by doing what they do best - chatting.

Today, one player must answer a series of tricky questions

to try to bag our jackpot of ?2,000,

but they are not on their own

as they will also have a panel of celebrity brain boxes, it says here,

debating their way to the answer.

Will they help, or will they hinder?

Well, that is debatable, so let's meet them.

On today's show,

we have broadcaster Konnie Huq,

actor Nigel Havers

and actor Christopher Biggins!

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OK, that is our panel.

Let's see who's playing today.

It is Jim Sutherland from Aberdeen!

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How are you getting on, Jim? I'm doing fine, Paddy.

Tell us a little bit about yourself.

Well, I'm Jim, I'm 49,

I'm an army warrant officer originally from Aberdeen, now live in Staines.

I'm married to Simone for 27 years now.

So, you're used to actually taking charge of people

and whipping them into shape. Oh, definitely, yes.

You also like a little bit of theatre.

I do. I love pantomime, farces, stuff like that.

I actually wrote a couple of pantomimes myself when I was out in Germany in the army.

Which ones? I wrote an original one called Cinderella 2: The Wedding.

That panto started where the traditional Cinderella finished off.

And Nigel is going to do Cinderella at the London Palladium.

I'm playing Cinderella.

CHRISTOPHER LAUGHS LOUDLY

And that's the rewrite. That is the rewrite.

OK, Jim, let's get this Debatable show on the road

as we play Round One!

Jim, this round is multiple choice.

Each question has four possible answers, but only one is correct.

Helping you find the correct answer, as always...

is our panel.

Two questions in this round - each question is worth ?200.

Happy to play?

Let's do it. Here we go, let's get cracking.

Right, I know Macbeth was definitely real

so my initial reaction, I think, is going to go with Sherlock Holmes.

I haven't heard of Cardinal Richelieu

so my initial reaction would be Sherlock.

Let's go to our panel. Your debate starts now.

In the theatre, if you say "Macbeth" in your dressing room...

Oh, it's a disaster. It means that the play will be a total

disaster that night. You have to ask people to go leave your dressing

room, shut the door and knock three times and then only come in when the

person in the dressing room says, "Come in."

So, there we are. He was definitely real.

Definitely real. Definitely real.

Cardinal Richelieu... ..was one of the Musketeers.

He wasn't a Musketeer, he was a villain.

He was an evil man, wasn't he?

He was and there's definitely a Jane.

I wonder why she's called Calamity Jane.

I mean, everything was a disaster.

She couldn't find a man, she couldn't do this...

She couldn't find a man, that's right.

Even though, it's interesting, because Sherlock Holmes, of course,

does have an address in London in Baker Street.

Sherlock Holmes is a creation from a wonderful writer called

Arthur Conan Doyle. Oh, Arthur Conan Doyle!

So I think the conclusion would be...

Sherlock Holmes. Yeah? Definitely.

We all agree that the character that is fictional

is Sherlock Holmes.

So, Jim, you've heard what our panel say, but what do you think?

Well, thanks to the panel.

That's cleared up who Cardinal Richelieu is.

I'm none the wiser,

but I'll take their word on that

and I'm going to stick to my original gut

and the panel's decision with Sherlock Holmes.

OK, you're saying Sherlock Holmes.

It was the choice of our panel, as well.

To get us up and running for ?200, was Sherlock Holmes fictional?

Yes, it is the correct answer.

Well done. Thank you!

Sherlock the fictional character

was created by Arthur Conan Doyle.

Cardinal Richelieu was the chief of government under Louis XIII.

Calamity Jane was an American frontierswoman.

Macbeth was a former king of Scotland

and a Shakespeare character.

Well done, Jim. ?200 in the prize pot.

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Here's your next question.

Right, before the answers came up,

I was thinking Happy Birthday To You,

but then God Save The Queen came up

so that's put a little bit of doubt in my mind.

So, yeah, I'd be interested to hear what the panel has to say on this.

Let's see what our panel makes of this. Your debate starts now.

You know, it's odd that in 2016 God Save The Queen is going

to be VERY recognisable because of her birthday.

Yes, exactly, they play it all the time.

Every morning I get up, I play it.

Do you? Yeah, because I'm glad that I'm alive that morning.

Do you, really? Yes. Do you stand?

No, I stand when I get out of bed.

Oh, I see. Do you have it on a CD player by your bed?

Yeah, and with God Save The Queen and I always touch it like that,

I get out of bed and I'm awake.

When I first went to the cinema as a very young man,

they always played God Save The Queen before the film.

Yes, they did! And we all stood.

I don't remember... Only a few years ago!

The question, it's "in the English language".

The English language is spoken all over the world. Yes.

For He's A Jolly Good Fellow might not go all over the world.

No. I mean, how often do you sing For He's A Jolly Good Fellow?

Well, I hardly sing it at all.

Exactly, nor do I. That's it and we live in the UK.

ALL SING: # For he's a jolly good fellow

# For he's a jolly good fellow

# For he's a jolly good fellow

# And so say all of us! #

So, there we go. I don't think it's that, anyway.

I think if were talking,

it's between God Save The Queen and Happy Birthday To You.

Well, the Commonwealth countries would all...

It's definitely Happy Birthday To You. But everybody sings...

Everybody has a birthday. I mean, how many birthdays are there?

Who here doesn't have a birthday? Millions of birthdays!

And do you know the words to God Save The Queen? Er...

You should. You play it every morning! Oh, yes, sorry!

Only that phrase!

So, we're going to go with...

Happy Birthday. Happy Birthday? Yeah, yeah.

The panel has agreed that the most recognised song

in the English language is Happy Birthday To You.

Er, Jim, our panel have very astutely recognised that everyone

has a birthday.

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God Save The Queen - interesting Nigel remembers the cinemas

that they used to play it before the films.

They still do it in the forces cinemas and in the mobile cinemas.

Yeah, we all stand to attention.

I'm going to take on board the fact that everyone's got a birthday and

that not all English-speaking countries have the Queen

as their head of state so I'm going to stick with the panel again

and go with Happy Birthday To You.

So, you're going for Happy Birthday To You,

going with the panel once again.

For ?200, the correct answer is...

Yes! Happy Birthday To You is the correct answer.

Well done. Cheers!

Well played. Thank you, panel.

That's another ?200 in the bank, bringing your total at the end

of Round One to ?400. Well done!

And thank you, panel. 100% for Jim, 100% for our panel.

They're looking quite smug with themselves, they've got two out of two.

Anyone there standing out for you?

They've all got a wealth of knowledge.

"Wealth of knowledge" is good. Yeah, we like that.

Pay close attention because you're only going to be able to pick

one of these fine, upstanding human beings to help you

with today's final debate.

Let's see how they cope with pictures.

It is time for Round Two.

Round Two is our picture round, Jim.

All you have to do is place three pictures in the correct order.

Two questions again in this round and ?300 for each correct answer.

So, let's see if we can keep our 100% record.

Here's your first question.

My initial reaction is Beyonce's probably the oldest

cos I remember her way, way back in Destiny's Child.

I'm not 100% sure, to be honest,

so again I'm going to see what the panel have got, I think.

OK, panel, your debate starts now.

I must just say one thing -

I would not dare, or wish, to put them in any order.

I'd like to put them all in the same order cos that would be

the polite thing to do.

And Joan Collins is absolutely...

She gets demented when people mention age.

Joan Collins, whatever her age is, she thinks,

"That's ridiculous because I don't look that age," so she could play

younger. We're both great friends of Joan. We are.

I think, though, interestingly enough, your point was very good,

Jim, about Beyonce,

but I think Beyonce was very young when she did Destiny's Child.

I think she was really young.

From those pictures, I think Lady Gaga looks the eldest.

But I think she's the youngest.

You think she's younger than Katy Perry?

I do. Let's just see how it looks.

Youngest there. OK.

And then we'll do... We have to go Beyonce there.

What do you think? How does that stack up?

I'm not sure.

Katy Perry and Lady Gaga sort of came on the scene

at a similarish time.

Yeah, but Lady Gaga was writing, though, wasn't she,

a long time before she became a star? Yes.

Your gut instinct says that, doesn't it? There we are.

I think that's right. We've now made up our minds.

The youngest, we think, is Katy Perry. Mmm.

Then Lady Gaga

and the eldest, may I say, is Beyonce.

You've heard what our panel say, but what do you think?

I understand the point of view that Beyonce was very young

when Destiny's Child -

the clue being in the name of the band - were around,

but she also did a film with Mike Myers, the Austin Powers film.

That was before he went on to do Shrek so that was a long time ago as

well and she was definitely an adult then so I'm sticking

with Beyonce being the oldest.

Katy Perry, I believe, first came to prominence about 2008,

2009 and she was 23 around then and Lady Gaga probably the year after,

but I think she wasn't well known till she was about 25 so by that,

I don't think there's much between them,

but I'm actually going to stick with the panel's final verdict

and go Katy Perry, Lady Gaga and Beyonce.

OK, let's lock it in.

Jim has gone with the panel.

For ?300...

..is that the correct order?

Oh! It's the wrong order.

Let's see the correct order, Jim.

Nigel was actually right.

It was Lady Gaga the youngest, then Katy Perry, then Beyonce.

Lady Gaga born '86,

Katy Perry born '84,

Beyonce born '81.

I told you so!

He said she'd been writing for ages.

She had!

Beyonce founded Destiny's Child when she was...

nine years old.

No! Yes!

Nine? Yes!

Wow! Fantastic.

Marvellous! So, our panel breaks their winning streak.

Unfortunately no cash for that,

but there's still another question in the round, still worth 300.

Let's see if we can get hold of that. Here it comes.

I think I know the furthest south being Uluru in Australia.

Erm... Obviously the Great Wall Of China is in China,

but Mount Kilimanjaro, I believe, is in Africa, but...

I just wouldn't know in relation to where the Great Wall Of China is cos

they're both very large countries.

OK, that's your first thought.

Panel, can we shed any light on this? Your debate starts now.

You see that picture of Uluru? Mmm.

I camped out the night looking just like...

You camped there, did you?

I've camped there, too.

Did you? I did.

The rock looks just like that, doesn't it? Yeah, it glows at night.

It's the most extraordinary place I've ever been to.

Would you not agree, Biggins, that that is the furthest south?

Oh, without doubt, without doubt.

Now we get into the real problem area.

Mount Kilimanjaro is Africa.

It is in Tanzania.

Yeah, which is also south.

I've been on the Great Wall of China,

but what is fascinating about it, it is THAT steep.

I was always impressed because the Queen did it just before...

Not the same day, but she did it a few months before

and I was amazed cos she...

I mean, poor girl having to walk up that

very, very steep incline.

You need some decent trekking shoes for that.

You do, you do and of course you're never aware of the length of it when

you're there because the only place I think is when you're in space,

you can see the actual...

And Tanzania is sort of in the middle of Africa, isn't it,

to the right. Isn't that right?

It is, but, you know...

I'm trying to visualise it on a...

China does a bit of that, doesn't it?

Yeah, it does, but I think the Great Wall is up a bit in China.

It is. You've been there.

I've been there. It was up a bit.

I think it was up a bit.

Right. Oh, dear!

I'm not entirely sure.

I have a feeling it's like this.

Let's do that feeling.

You don't think so, do you?

OK, we'll stick to that.

We've made up our minds and we think this is the order.

Southern Uluru,

then Mount Kilimanjaro

followed by the northern

Great Wall Of China.

That's the thoughts of the panel.

Anything in there? Yeah.

It actually threw me a bit of a curveball because I was counting on

Kilimanjaro being southern hemisphere

and Great Wall being northern,

but the panel all seemed in agreement that Kilimanjaro

is in Tanzania, which is in the north hemisphere

so that's put a bit of doubt in my mind,

but I think I've been persuaded by Biggins saying it was up there

in China so I'm going to stick with the panel on this one

and go Uluru, Kilimanjaro, Great Wall of China.

All righty, let's lock it in.

For ?300, is that the correct order?

Yes! It is!

Well done! Let's see them on the map.

There we go. Uluru, formerly known as Ayers Rock,

sat at the bottom of a sea,

but today stands at 348 metres above the ground.

Contrary to popular belief,

the Great Wall Of China can't be seen from space...

Oh! ..by the naked eye.

Well done! At the end of that round, your prize pot is up to ?700.

Thank you! Well played.

Thanks. Nice work.

Now, how's our panel working out for you, Jim?

Which one is standing out?

Er, it probably is Biggins

just shading it in the knowledge of the Great Wall Of China there so at

the minute, it would be Biggins.

At the moment, it's Biggins.

Still ?1,000 up for grabs as we play Round Three.

Jim, in this round, you will face questions that contain

three statements which relate to a person, a place or a thing.

Only one of those statements, though, is correct.

You must decide which one it is.

Two questions in this round, and because it's our final round,

the money goes up to ?500 a question,

so let's see what we can do with this. Here it comes.

I know B is definitely false

because her mother was Anne Boleyn and she did

not get the pleasure of a divorce from Henry.

She lost her head.

So, initially, it's going to be A or C for me,

but I'm going to listen to the panel's advice on that.

OK, panel, your debate starts now.

Mother divorced her father Henry VIII?

I agree with Jim there. Spot on, Anne Boleyn.

Because his first wife, he divorced.

Yeah, divorced-beheaded-died, divorced-beheaded-survived.

And that first divorce changed the constitution.

Yeah, that made the Church of England, didn't it?

The monasteries were dissolved. I know, the arrogance of the man!

When I was doing my A-levels in history,

I wrote something in that way,

saying, "Outrageous behaviour," and I was heavily criticised for saying

it. Oh, really?! Yes, because Henry VIII was deified.

Shakespeare was living when she died.

Yes. Yes, yes, yes.

The last one I know happens, having studied Tudor history...

To be true? ..to be true. Yes.

Because the next monarch was James I of England

and the VI of Scotland, who was a Stuart. Yeah.

Anyway, yes, so we're going for...

We're going to go for the last one, I think so, definitely.

Are we in agreement? Yeah, I agree. We are united.

Jim, it's C.

Elizabeth I is the last Tudor monarch.

They're pretty sure that Elizabeth I is the last Tudor monarch.

Yeah, and I tend to agree with them.

I still don't know what year Shakespeare died

or what year Elizabeth died.

However, when they mentioned James I, he was a Stuart.

Trying to think if there was a Tudor

then came back as has happened in the past with other houses,

but then I believe it was Charles I,

then Oliver Cromwell,

then Charles II so I'm pretty sure there was no Tudor

came back after Elizabeth

so I'm going to go with the panel on last Tudor monarch.

Let's lock it in.

All in agreement for ?500,

was Elizabeth I the last Tudor monarch?

Yes! She was!

Well played, panel, very nice work.

Congratulations, Jim, well done. Thank you, Paddy.

Elizabeth was the last Tudor monarch.

She was succeeded by the Stuarts -

James I of Great Britain.

Shakespeare died 13 years after Elizabeth in 1616.

Elizabeth's mother was Anne Boleyn,

who was beheaded by her husband Henry VIII and not divorced.

Well done, really good knowledge there.

?500 added to your prize pot.

You're now up to ?1,200.

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We can still get that up to 1,700 for your final debate.

?500 up for grabs with our final question.

I saw something on the television recently that New York is the most

populous US city

so I'm pretty sure it's not C.

I'm struggling between A and B.

I'll be interested to get the panel's take on it,

see if they can help me out.

Panel, can we sort this out for Jim?

For ?500, the debate starts now.

It is very populated. It is very populated cos it's got some

high-rise buildings, though. But most of them are office blocks.

I'm not sure how many people actually live in New York City.

But it's very densely populated, isn't it?

But it's not that big and I also know...

Well, let's go for the first one.

Brooklyn is actually on the mainland, it's not... Yes.

Manhattan, which is New York City, is an island.

Am I right? Yep.

But that sliver of an island has...

You cross a bridge north of it and south of it.

Yeah. You're absolutely right.

So, Brooklyn can't be the only mainland borough. No.

So I think we'll... We'll discount that.

Shall we discount that? But, funnily enough,

I have a feeling the first national capital was before...

And I think you're right, they built Washington later.

They did and then they named that the capital afterwards.

They built Washington to move all the politics...

Yeah, to get it out of New York.

Because Manhattan's not big enough.

I think we have to go with Jim

because I think he's just heard that, or read it.

So, the first national capital of the USA.

The answer is B -

New York City is the first national capital of the USA.

They've gone for capital.

I'm sticking to my memory of television programmes

that said New York was the most populous

so I'm going to go with the panel again and say that

it's the first national capital of USA.

You weren't sure about this, but the panel has taken you towards B.

For ?500...

No pressure, panel.

The correct answer is...

Phew! It is!

Well done! Thank you.

It is the first national capital of the USA between

1785 and 1790.

The only borough that lies on the mainland is the Bronx.

Population of LA -

only four million,

and the population of New York City is around eight million.

So, at the end of Round Three, your prize pot

is ?1,700. Thank you.

And that's the amount you're going to be playing for

in our final debate.

Now, if you win that cash, Jim, any plans for the money?

I'm actually moving house later on in the year

so that'll go towards the deposit and all the initial

house-moving costs as well. That'll help a long way towards that.

OK. Well, there's just one question that stands between you

and the money - that is today's final debate.

In the final debate, Jim, you're going to have only one question,

but that question will have six possible answers

and in order to win the cash,

I'm going to need the three correct answers.

As before, you're not playing alone.

You will choose one of these fine panellists

to help you in your debate.

You and your celebrity will then have 45 seconds

to debate the question, so who's it going to be?

Well, based on the fact that they changed my mind twice,

which got me quite a lot of money, I'm going to go with Biggins.

Yeah! OK, Biggins.

So, Biggins, Jim has chosen you for the final debate.

How do you feel? Oh, how do I feel?

Yes! Marvellous! I'm very excited for you, Jim.

I want to get that deposit for your house and all those charges

for taking your furniture back to the new...

Oh, yes, we're going to do it, definitely.

All right, Jim, because this is the final debate,

you've two categories to choose from.

Which one would you like to go with?

Here they come.

What's your sport like, Biggins?

Terrible, but I know your sport's good, isn't it?

It depends which sport.

Mythology.

Mythology, I'm not great at.

No, -ologies are not very good, are they?

We need Maureen Lipman here. Erm...

I would have more chance with Sport. Yes, let's go with Sport.

So we'll go with Sport. Definitely.

OK, you've chosen Sport.

Best of luck, Jim. Thank you.

Best of luck, Biggins. I'm going to need it!

For ?1,700, here's your final debate question.

For the final time today, your debate starts now.

Well, I would have thought Wembley, Twickenham and Silverstone.

Yeah. I know Wembley's got more than Old Trafford. Yes.

Twickenham, I believe, is round about 60,000-70,000. Absolutely.

Wimbledon Centre Court is out, it's only 15,000.

And I would have thought Lord's Cricket Ground is out. Yeah.

And Silverstone is a big... Yeah, cos it's spread out.

I'm just not sure between Old Trafford and Twickenham

because I know Old Trafford is big.

Is it? Yeah, but I'm not...

I don't have the capacity off the top of my head.

Twickenham... Erm...

That is huge, isn't it, for the rugby?

Yeah. Erm...

I think Twickenham's about 80,000 so...

We'll go... Yeah, I think we should go Wembley, Twickenham, Silverstone.

I think that's quite a good choice.

Time's up, Jim. Paddy, I'm going to go, even though I'm not sure,

with Wembley, Twickenham, Silverstone.

All right, Jim, if they are all correct it's ?1,700.

If one of them is wrong, I'm afraid you do leave with nothing.

Best of luck, here we go.

Is Wembley Stadium one of the three largest sporting venues?

It is!

Well done, 90,000 capacity at Wembley.

Let's see if Silverstone can keep us on track.

Is Silverstone one of the three largest?

Well done!

Silverstone, the largest by quite a way.

It's actually 150,000 so well done, well played.

You then said Twickenham.

You were debating that and Old Trafford,

you thought they were in and around the same capacity.

Ohhh, dear!

Here we go. So, is Twickenham correct for ?1,700?

Yes!

Well done! Well played, Jim.

Thank you! Brilliant! Very well done!

Twickenham, 82,000.

Very, very close to Old Trafford in Manchester

76,000. Oh... 6,000 in it. You were right, Biggins.

Lord's Cricket Ground one of the smallest, 28,000,

and then we had Wimbledon Centre Court, 15,000.

Very well worked out, very well played, Jim.

You leave today with ?1,700!

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Very well done.

That's it for Debatable.

There's just enough time for me to thank our fantastic panel -

Christopher Biggins, Konnie Huq and Nigel Havers!

I do hope you've enjoyed watching.

We will see you next time for more heated debates.

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