Episode 17 Debatable

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Hello and welcome to Debatable,

the quiz show that proves when it comes to celebrity chat,

you can never get too much of a good thing.

Today our panel of celebrities will be trying to help one contestant

debate their way to a ?2,000 jackpot,

but will they help or will they hinder?

That's debatable. So let's meet them.

On today's show we have former England cricketer Phil Tufnell.

We have broadcaster Jennie Bond.

And TV presenter Angellica Bell.

OK, it is a lovely, composed panel.

Let's see who's playing with them today.

It is Callum Armour from Kent.

Welcome to the show, Callum. How are you doing?

I am doing great, thank you, Patrick.

Good, tell us a little bit about yourself. I'm 27 from Kent.

And I am a master's student at the University of Greenwich,

studying education. Wow. That's impressive.

We are going to take a moment here while our panel realise you are

potentially way more intelligent than the three of them put together.

Shall we go?!

So what are you going to do with this masters?

Well, I'm hoping that I can go back to a similar job I had before,

which was a classroom assistant, learning support,

because I would really like to help children and teenagers

with learning difficulties and physical disabilities.

Callum, you were born with cerebral palsy, yes?

Yes. I consider myself very, very lucky compared to some

because I've managed to achieve a lot,

but I think I have a lot to give back

and, though training is very important,

so is empathy and understanding.

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So, tell us, what do you get up to when you're not studying?

Well, I'm a big fan of pop culture

and, well, I guess a lot of my time

is given over to comic books and cosplay.

What is this cosplay of which you speak?

Well, in the simplest terms, it's dressing up and having a good time.

But... LAUGHTER

Tell me, what do you dress up as when you cosplay?

Characters like Green Lantern, Green Arrow, Daredevil and the Flash.

I like that.

Looking at our panel, let's start with Phil.

Who do we think Phil should be as a superhero? Well, that's obvious.

He's the Batman. There we go. I like that, bit of Batman.

Jennie in the middle. Well, she's practically royalty.

Princess Leia, maybe. Oh, that's nice.

And we'll be doing that hair later in the show.

And Angellica on the end?

Well, I think there's a Catwoman in there.

Ooh!

Meow! So, Callum,

now that you have lulled our panel into a false sense of security,

I think there's only one thing for it,

let's get this Debatable show on the road as we play round one.

OK, Callum, round one is multiple choice.

Each question has four possible answers, only one is correct.

Helping you is our panel.

There's two questions in this round, each correct answer is worth ?200.

Ready to play? Yes. Here we go, best of luck.

First question...

Phil Tufnell already has his head in his hands.

Footie fan, Callum?

I'm afraid not.

We'll have to turn it over to my minds at the desk.

Let's see if they can shed some light on this,

your debate starts now.

Right, long time ago, first...

Villa is very old club. Yeah. OK.

So is Liverpool, so is Tottenham and so is Nottingham Forest!

LAUGHTER I used to support Liverpool.

Growing up, I was a massive Liverpool fan

and I used to know real trivia and get the cards,

and I don't remember ever reading that.

Tottenham just springs to mind for me because they have a sort of

affiliation with the FA Cup, they are famous for winning it.

But it might be Villa. Yeah, yeah.

Prince William, he likes them. Oh, does he?

Yes, he supports them. What about Forest? Mm...

I don't know, Forest isn't jumping out at me for some reason.

Tottenham. Tottenham or Villa, Tottenham or Villa...

Oh... Tottenham. Tottenham.

No, but Villa used to be really good. I know.

I'm feeling Tottenham, what are you feeling?

Yes, Spurs.

The panel is going for Spurs.

So that's what our panel thought, but do you agree?

I really don't know.

I decided to pass it over to the panel and they seemed unsure

but they did come to a consensus, which is more than I came to.

So I will have to go with Tottenham Hotspur.

You're going with the panel.

You think it is Tottenham Hotspur.

Hopefully. Hopefully.

To get us up and running for ?200,

did Tottenham Hotspur win the FA Cup before these other three?

Oh, it was Villa.

Oh, dear, sorry, Callum.

It was between those two. We went for the wrong one.

Aston Villa won it in 1887.

Nottingham Forest won it in 1898.

Spurs didn't win it until 1901.

Liverpool didn't win the FA Cup until 1965.

Unfortunately, Callum, nothing for that one,

but still loads of cash up there,

so let's crack on with our second question.

Here we go.

Well, I have a feeling that I can exclude the Akita,

but let's see what the panel thinks.

OK, let's see if our panel can sort this out.

Your debate starts now.

Labrador, there's a place called Labrador.

Dalmatian coast, there's a Dalmatian coast in Croatia.

Is that linked?

I don't know, but there is a Dalmatian coast.

But have you been to shih-tzu?

Is that an offer?

Are you asking? Do you know a place called Labrador?

I think that's Newfoundland way.

I don't know shih-tzu.

We know Labrador and Dalmatian are geographical locations.

Apparently Akita is, which we didn't know.

So it is down to shih-tzu.

A process of elimination on this one.

OK, Callum, the panel has decided the answer to this is shih-tzu.

Anything up there, Callum, to make you change your mind?

Well, I've had a few more thoughts.

The shih-tzu may be a crossbreed,

so that would discount it being named after a place,

so I think I will definitely go for a shih-tzu.

OK, so you think that it is the shih-tzu.

You are agreeing with the panel? Yes, I am.

The correct answer is...

It is the shih-tzu.

Very well done.

That was good. Very well worked out.

Shih-tzu roughly translates as lion sun dog.

Jennie, of course, asking the eternal question,

have you ever been to shih-tzu?

The Dalmatian is a region of Croatia, the Dalmatian coast.

Labrador is a peninsula in Canada.

And Akita is a prefecture in Japan.

So, well done, Callum, it means at the end of that round,

your prize pot is ?200.

OK, so, Callum, it's time for round two.

Round two is our picture round.

All you have to do is place three pictures in the correct order.

There are two questions in this round.

Each correct answer is worth ?300,

so best of luck, here we go.

I have a few thoughts on this.

Sweden, obviously, very famous because if I remember correctly,

that would be ABBA. And Ukraine won very recently,

and I remember they won a couple times before.

I would put it in the order of, the fewest would be Luxembourg,

then Ukraine, then Sweden.

OK, panel, your debate starts now.

Who knows anything about Eurovision? You look like a Eurovision man.

Do I?

Ukraine's only been a country in its own right for a while.

But if Callum is right, they've won it a couple of times.

Luxembourg, what do you think?

Tiny country. Small country.

I would probably put Luxembourg...

You fancy they've won it a couple of times? Yeah.

They're very associated with the Eurovision, I think.

We think Sweden has probably won the most, purely because of ABBA.

That could be a little red herring.

I think Ukraine probably not very often. OK.

Ukraine, Sweden.

I reckon Luxembourg. I reckon Sweden perhaps the most.

And Luxembourg...there.

Politically, how do people think?

Luxembourg, 12 points.

You can hear that resonating? I can. Luxembourg...

I kind of... Yes.

Perhaps Luxembourg more than Sweden.

OK, we are going to say the fewest number of times they've won it,

Ukraine, and then Sweden, and top we have Luxembourg.

Good luck.

So, Callum, anything there to change your mind?

Well, the panel put a few good points out there.

The fact Ukraine is a very young country

compared to a lot of others... I think Ukraine,

the fewest,

and then Luxembourg, and then Sweden.

OK, so you're disagreeing with the panel, you're going with Ukraine,

the fewest, then Luxembourg, then Sweden.

For ?300, is that the correct order?

It is the correct order.

Very well played.

Very well done. Ukraine has two wins, Luxembourg has five wins,

and Sweden has six wins.

Very well worked out, that's ?300 into your prize pot,

you now have ?500.

Let's have a look at your next picture question.

Here we go.

What are you thinking?

This is a tricky one.

Because I imagine they're all quite close together.

But I would imagine that St Pauls Cathedral

was more of an engineering feat than the other two.

But just my initial thought, so let's see what the panel thinks.

OK, let's see what the panel thinks.

Your debate starts now.

Right, Michelangelo painting the Sistine Chapel

could be the earliest.

Michelangelo, when did he live?

He lived a long, long time ago.

I would say this is the latest, I would go with Callum, engineering,

Christopher Wren.

That's the latest.

And then we've got to think about...

Christopher Columbus seems a long time ago, doesn't it?

But then America has only been...

America is a relatively new country.

You're saying, two to 300 years.

Well, I would say two or 300 years ago, he was before two or 300 years,

I would say. I'm going with the engineering thing, definitely.

That's a good shout. America is a relatively young country.

Michelangelo was an old geezer.

Let's not second-guess ourselves.

Go on, then. Are we done?

Yes. So, the panel says that first of all, in chronological order,

we have Michelangelo.

And then Christopher Columbus sailing to America.

And finally we have St Pauls Cathedral.

So, Callum, they believe it was the Sistine Chapel was painted first,

then Columbus went to America,

and then St Paul's Cathedral was designed.

Well, here's the thing. I agree on the last one,

but the United States became a country in the 1770s,

but it was a country long before that,

so actually going over that and discovering what was the New World

at the time was much earlier.

It was in the 1500s. Very similar.

And I remember a documentary talking about Michelangelo and

his fascination with the New World.

So I would agree that Wren's design of St Paul's Cathedral is the last.

I would swap the other two and say that Christopher Columbus sailed to

America before Michelangelo painted the Sistine Chapel.

Starting with the earliest, you are going for...

Christopher Columbus sailing to America.

Then Michelangelo painting the Sistine Chapel.

And then Wren designs St Paul's Cathedral.

Let's see, for ?300, is that the correct order?

It is the correct order.

He is so clever.

Well played.

There we go, in 1492 Columbus sailed the ocean blue.

Then Michelangelo painted the Sistine Chapel

between 1508 and 1512.

And it wasn't until the 1670s that Wren designs St Paul's Cathedral.

So, at the end of round two, very well worked out, Callum,

you are up to ?800.

Well done.

So, Callum, you've gone against the panel twice in this round,

twice you were correct, they were wrong.

It seems a little bit unfair but we have to ask the question,

how do you think the panel are doing now?

Well, I think they have given it their best shot.

Oh, you're so kind. Diplomatic.

There's still another ?1,000 up for grabs,

let's play round three.

In this round, you will face questions that contain three

statements about a person, a place or a theme.

But only one is true.

You must decide which it is.

Two questions in this round.

Because it's the final round, we are going to up the cash

to 500 a correct answer,

so let's see if we can stick another 1,000 in the prize pot.

Here we go.

I believe there's someone on the panel that may have more knowledge

about royalty than I do.

Yes. I wonder who that could be.

I wonder. Panel, your debate starts now.

Oh, dear. I filmed the Royal Mint for The One Show,

and I don't remember,

I don't think there's been as many monarchs as you think that have

actually been on... It would have been a massive banknote.

Elizabeth was one of the first. The other thing, Maggie Smith,

I think she's played the Queen, but I don't think she's played Victoria.

And I can remember seeing pictures or something of Victoria

in Buckingham Palace. It might be.

Something... Standing outside.

You've been to Buckingham Palace.

I have been to the Palace, a lot of times.

It was George IV who made it the sort of office,

it's really the office.

But I'm not certain he actually lived there.

And I think Victoria probably did.

I think it is B.

Buckingham Palace?

Somewhere in that it tells me, and you think so too,

but the panel does think that the answer to this is that

Queen Victoria was the first monarch to take up

residence at Buckingham Palace.

OK, Callum, has that proved useful?

Well, it has proved useful, yes.

Talking about Buckingham Palace, I know,

now that I've been reminded, it is the official residence of

the Royal family, it's the office,

so I believe I will go for B,

with the panel, that she was the first monarch to take up residence

at Buckingham Palace. ?500, Callum.

Was Queen Victoria the first monarch to take up residence at Buckingham

Palace, for ?500?

She was.

Come on.

Queen Victoria was the first monarch to take a resident at Buckingham

Palace when she moved in in July 1837.

Elizabeth II was the first monarch to appear on the Bank of England

note, Angellica, you were right about that.

Queen Victoria has not been played by Maggie Smith.

She's been played by Judi Dench

in Mrs Brown, alongside Billy Connolly.

Your Majesty. Your Majesty.

And Emily Blunt played her in the Young Victoria.

?500 added to your prize pot,

giving you now a total of ?1,300.

OK, here's your last question before the final debate,

500 still up for grabs, let's see if we can stick it on the prize

pot.

Well, looking at those, when A popped up

there was something that went off in my head about, yes.

But that's just my thoughts, I will see what the panel thinks.

OK, panel, over to you, your debate starts now.

Must have won a Comedy Award, mustn't it?

Unless it's a red herring.

You think it's absolutely got to have won.

We are discounting B.

Christmas special, most watched ever show.

Ever show. What other BBC Two shows?

Attenborough. Gardening shows.

Gardening shows.

Everyone over Christmas watching...

Bake Off. Has it been on BBC Two?

Did it start on BBC Two?

Yes. If it was just me here,

I think I would say it is the most watched ever show on BBC Two.

What do you think? I think it is either A or C.

It could be the comedy awards.

What do you reckon? Yes, I'm going A or C.

For some reason. It might just, for some weird thing,

it has not won a Comedy Award.

Should we go for the Comedy Awards?

Oh, no.

Oh. With not a very great deal of confidence,

this panel is going to say that The Office has never won a Comedy Award.

It must have done.

Stop it. You can't say that now.

We've locked it in.

They think it has never won a British Comedy Award.

Well, I'm going to have to disagree with the panel because on B,

I realised that maybe it's something to do with French and French

Canadians, Gervais is a Canadian name.

So it could have been a little kind of twist on that.

But I think I will go for A, I will discount the panel and go for A.

OK, so our panel have gone, never won any British Comedy Awards.

You think Gervais is a Canadian name.

But you're going against that and you think the Christmas special was

BBC Two's most watched show.

Yes.

You have gone against the panel.

For ?500, the correct answer is...

It was B.

Your reasoning, Callum, was absolutely bang on.

The French-Canadian version of The Office, which was called Le Job,

and the lead character was called David Gervais as an homage to Ricky

Gervais, who has French-Canadian ancestry.

You actually worked it out and then stepped back from it.

BBC Two's highest ever audience by a long way was for the 1985 World

Snooker Championship.

No way. 18 million.

The Office won Best New Comedy Award.

Of course it won Comedy Awards.

It won the Comedy Award for best comedy in 2001, best comedy in 2002.

I mean, it was so close to working that out.

Never mind, Callum. At the end of round three, your prize pot is

?1,300.

Still very good.

All right, there's only one question that stands between you and that

money, and that is today's final debate.

You're going to face just one question.

That question will have six possible answers,

but only three of those answers are correct.

In order to win, you will have to give me all three correct answers.

But you are not playing alone,

we are going to let you access one brain from our celebrity panel.

You and your celebrity will have 45 seconds to debate that question.

So, Callum, based on their performance,

who from our panel will be playing that final debate with you.

Who has impressed you?

I'm afraid I'm going to have to rule Phil out because he seems to have

been easily led by the other panellists.

Jennie, I thought about,

but I'm afraid I am going to have to go for Angellica because when she's

been right, she's been very sure of herself.

And I think there's going to be gaps in my knowledge

that she might be better at.

Absolutely no pressure, Angellica.

Can you join us for today's final debate?

I hope I don't let you down.

Callum, that's Angellica's way of saying you're basically on your own.

I'm not saying that.

Because it's the final, you've got two categories,

so let's have a little look at them, here they are.

What do you fancy from Mythology and Celebrities?

Well, they are very similar subjects, actually.

The problem is, Mythology is such a huge subject

and there are so many obscure parts to it.

I think I will go with Celebrities.

So you're going for? Celebrities.

OK, Celebrities, let's lock it in.

All right, Callum, we wish you all the best.

For ?1,300, here is today's 45 second final debate question.

Callum and Angellica, final time, your 45 seconds debate starts now.

I know Sandra Bullock.

Brad Pitt as well.

So we just need to get the other one.

What do you think? I was hoping Ellen would be up there.

Yes. But...

Go through the first two again.

Sandra Bullock. Sandra Bullock.

Brad Pitt. Brad Pitt.

Maybe George Clooney because George and Brad are always close together.

Yes. And they're always close together,

they are in a lot of movies together.

And they are both friends with Sandra Bullock as well.

Channing Tatum, I don't associate with that crowd.

Kevin Spacey, I don't associate with the other two that you mentioned.

Anne Hathaway is a maybe, so...

I think Brad Pitt, Clooney and Bullock.

Time up. Callum, I need three answers, please.

Well, I think we will go for Brad Pitt, George Clooney

and Sandra Bullock.

Brad Pitt, George Clooney and Sandra Bullock.

They are the three actors that were in the 2014 Oscar selfie, ?1,300.

If one of them is wrong, I'm afraid you do leave with nothing.

We wish you all the best. Here we go.

First up,

is Brad Pitt

in the 2014 Oscar selfie?

He is.

So, one down, two more answers up there,

just two answers standing between you and ?1,300.

Next you went for George Clooney.

Is George Clooney a correct answer?

No!

I am so sorry, Callum.

It means you didn't win today's prize pot.

Let's have a look at the final two correct answers up there.

Channing Tatum was in the Oscar selfie,

Kevin Spacey was also in the Oscar selfie.

Here's the picture to remind us.

There it is, Bradley Cooper, Meryl Streep,

we've got Julia Roberts, Kevin Spacey at the back, Brad Pitt,

Channing Tatum just at the back and Jennifer Lawrence squeezing in there

on the side.

There you go, you've been absolutely fantastic contestants.

Have you enjoyed playing the game? I have, I have, I had a great time.

We've really enjoyed having you. Give it up one more time for Callum.

That is it for Debatable.

There's just enough time for me to thank a fantastic panel,

Angellica Bell, Phil Tufnell and Jennie Bond.

I hope you've enjoyed watching, we will see you next time for some more

heated debates. For now, it's goodbye from me.

BROODING STING

What's going to happen to me now?