Episode 19 Debatable

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Hello and welcome to Debatable, the quiz show where talk is cheap but

celebrity chat can win a contestant money.

Today, one player must answer a series of tricky questions to

try to bag our jackpot of ?2,000.

But they are not on their own.

They'll also have a panel of celebrity brain boxes,

debating their way to the answer.

Will they help, or will they hinder? Well, that's debatable.

Let's meet them. On today's show we have actress Sunetra Sarker.

We have weather presenter Carol Kirkwood

and writer and broadcaster Rick Edwards.

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That is our panel. Let's meet today's contestant.

It is Danielle Harvie from London!

Dani, how are you doing? I'm very well, thank you, Patrick.

OK, so Dani, tell us a little bit about yourself.

I'm 34, I live in Hampstead in North London with my husband, Ben,

and my daughter Eleanor, who's ten months old.

Where did you and Ben meet?

We met at university.

We married six years ago in Las Vegas. Oh, come on!

It was a last-minute thing so we were going on holiday to

Vegas and we said, you know, we've been together for ten years,

let's get married.

Hey! And we did, yeah. Let's go to Vegas, we're getting married!

And what do you do in your spare time?

I'm a stay at home mum, so I look after Eleanor.

I watch a lot of Teletubbies.

I build lots of bricks and things like that.

What subjects are you hoping are going to come up today?

I'm quite into music but only very particular genres of music.

In my head it's still 1996. Isn't it?

I still listen to a lot of Blur, a lot of Morrissey,

that sort of Britpop kind of stuff.

Fantastic! Let's see if we can get you some cash today.

Let's get the show on the road and play Round One.

This round is multiple choice. Each question has four possible answers.

Only one of those, Dani, is correct.

Helping you find the answer is our panel.

You can go with what they say, or you can go your own way,

it is entirely up to you.

There are two questions in this round, each question is worth ?200.

OK. Ready to play? Yes, I am.

Here we go. Let's get cracking.

I can tell you, Dani, that none of those people got married in

Vegas, so this might be quite tricky for you.

You surprise me.

If I had to go for one I'd probably go with Princess Anne at this stage.

OK, you think Princess Anne may be the youngest.

Sunetra is stroking her chin in a knowing way.

Over to our panel, the debate starts now.

I think Dani might be onto something there

because that was my gut instinct.

I remember watching it on Blue Peter because on Blue Peter they'd

made all these cheese scones that we were all encouraged to make

and sit and watch the Royal Wedding.

A different time, wasn't it? LAUGHTER

Anyway... She looked young. I think it's Princess Anne.

Do you think that Charles was old when he got married,

or relatively old? Relatively old.

None of them were old when they got married but, you know, older.

Older than William at 29?

My best friend has the same birthday as him, so he's 34. Oh, right.

2011 he got married. So he was 29.

Zara Phillips got married just after, or just before,

Prince William. She got away without too much coverage on the story.

They're cousins, aren't they? They are. Zara's about 31.

I think we should go with Princess Anne. Everybody in agreement? Yeah.

OK, so the panel's decision, is Princess Anne.

OK, our panel are going for Princess Anne. Is that any use?

Um, yes, Carol was very helpful in that she could remember the event.

So... That's...

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So that's been a big help.

I think I'm going to stick with my initial instinct and agree

with the panel, it's Princess Anne.

OK... For ?200...

Was Princess Anne the youngest of these royals when she got married?

It's the correct answer!

Thank you, thanks very much. Well done. Well played.

Princess Anne was 23 when she married Captain Mark Phillips.

Prince William was 28.

Zara Phillips was 30

and Prince Charles, 32.

Well done, we're up and running, ?200 in the prize pot.

Excellent!

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Here comes your next one, Dani.

OK, I'm feeling much more confident on this as a subject. Really?

It's one of my favourite films.

I believe, unless my memory is playing a very cruel trick on

me, it's chocolate syrup.

You think it was chocolate syrup? I think so.

It would be useful if we had an actor on the panel who knew

the tricks of the trade.

Don't look at me like that, Sunetra,

let's see if we can sort this one out. The debate starts now. Well...

What do you think?

What I do know, the limited knowledge I know about fake

blood, because obviously we use a lot in Casualty.

It does have a consistency of syrup because it's water. Yeah.

If we go back to when Psycho was made,

it's a black and white film, isn't it? Yeah, because I...

I'm sort of with Dani because you'd assume it'd be a red...

Tomato ketchup. ..liquid.

But it wouldn't matter if it's in black and white.

I think it is chocolate syrup. Let's start eliminating them.

Ketchup has gone, it's a black and white movie,

it doesn't actually matter what colour the blood was.

We can write off jam. Get rid of ketchup.

BBQ sauce is a runny consistency, chocolate syrup is more gloopy.

Would BBQ sauce have been around then? Were BBQs big?

I would say chocolate syrup. Yeah, yeah, I'm chocolate syrup.

We're unanimous. So the panel think, chocolate syrup.

Any of that make sense? You did say, chocolate syrup.

That was my inclination, yes.

Yeah, and it's good to have the inside knowledge there with

someone who works with fake blood every day, almost.

So I'm going to stick with my first inclination and the panel's

as well and go with chocolate syrup, please.

We are all agreed. For ?200...

Was chocolate syrup used as the fake blood in the shower scene in Psycho?

It was!

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Well done, everybody. Thanks very much.

Well done, Dani.

Janet Leigh, who played the doomed character, Marion Crane,

in the famous shower scene.

There she is, is quoted as saying, "I still don't take showers."

And just to show you that it was actually chocolate syrup we've

a picture of Janet there with absolutely no blood on her...

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So well done.

It means that we've got ?200 in the bank bringing your total at

the end of Round One

up to 400. Well played. Excellent, thank you.

Smiles all round, 100% record.

How do we think the panel's doing? They're doing very well.

Yes, thank you very much for all your help.

Who do you think is performing best so far? Oh, it's difficult to say.

Um... At the moment I'm edging towards Carol.

OK, well, let's see how they cope with pictures.

It is time for Round Two.

OK, Dani, Round Two is our picture round.

All you have to do is place three pictures in the correct order.

There are two questions in this round, each correct is worth ?300.

OK. Here we go.

I'm tempted just to keep them in that order.

I don't know whether I'd swap Ryan Giggs and Kelly Holmes

but I think Tony McCoy probably was the latest of those three.

But I need some help with this one.

You need some help, don't worry.

The debate starts now.

I think that Dani is right.

I think A P McCoy is the most successful jockey ever. Yeah.

But didn't win it for ages.

Yeah. People were like he should have won it.

Kelly Holmes got it the year of the Olympics. 2000, wasn't it? Yeah.

She got three medals, two medals?

She won the 800 and 1500, didn't she?

She now runs a tea room, I think, as well. She now runs a what?

A tea room. She wouldn't have won anything for that, though.

Really? Yeah.

Ryan Giggs is an older footballer.

He was a footballer who did all his years at Man U, he never left.

Yeah, and he played an extraordinary number of games.

He played till he was like 39, it's amazing.

With Giggsy, he probably won it earlier in his career,

rather than later. I disagree, I think he came second a lot.

You know how the Sports Personality has changed over the years. Mm-hm.

It used to be five or six sports and now it's about every sport.

Andy Murray's won it. Yeah, exactly.

So I think back in the day when Ryan Giggs did win it,

I think it was mainly footballers, cricketers, rugby...

It definitely didn't include jockeys, as much.

We're pretty sure that A P McCoy, last.

Kelly in 2000, we're just trying to work out...

Kelly's still quite young. Keep it as it is.

Keep it as it is. OK, so we think the earliest winner of

Sports Personality Of The Year was Ryan Giggs.

Then Kelly Holmes and then A P McCoy.

So lots of info in there, Dani, not all of it useful. Mm-hm.

Kelly Holmes apparently has a cafe. Yeah...

Yeah, I'm pleased that they agree

that A P McCoy was probably the latest.

I think it probably was about 2010/2011 for him.

And Kelly Holmes, 2000 sounds pretty much right.

The question is, did Ryan Giggs win it in the '90s or in the 2000s?

I've got no idea. Um...

I'm going to go with the panel and I'm going to leave it as it is.

Ryan Giggs, Kelly Holmes, A P McCoy.

You are saying Ryan Giggs won it first, then Kelly Holmes,

then A P McCoy, as Rick Edwards bows his head to pray.

For ?300, is this the correct order?

PANEL: Oh, no!

Wrong order.

Let's reveal the correct order.

I knew it.

Kelly Holmes won it first,

then it was Ryan Giggs

and then it was A P McCoy.

Let's have a look at the years.

2004 was Kelly Holmes,

2009 was Ryan Giggs.

Wow! A P McCoy, 2010.

A P McCoy was the very first jockey ever to win

Sports Personality Of The Year.

OK, unfortunately, nothing for that one,

Dani, but you still have ?400 in the prize pot.

Thank you.

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OK, Dani, here's your second picture question.

Titanic, was that 1901, or something?

The first Model T car.

I'm a big fan of Laurel and Hardy.

They had cars in those films in the 1920s and the '10s.

Harley-Davidsons, no idea, so I'll put them earliest.

I'll say Harley-Davidson, Titanic, the first Ford Model T car.

That's your first thought,

the Harley-Davidson then the Titanic, then the Model T.

Let's go to our model panel.

Your debate starts now.

Was the Titanic 1910s? 1911, 1912, something like that?

It was the centenary of the Titanic recently. I think it was 1912-ish.

Watching the movie, Titanic, I think you've seen these cars in it,

which would indicate that the car was there before the boat.

The Model T is before the Titanic, I think. Yeah.

You think that, as well? Yeah. I think that's the order.

But is this another... But the motorbike...

We've been here before. I've got no idea.

You definitely think there were cars driving up in the film, Titanic?

I think so.

I'm nervous about saying there were cars there.

I just think that the first Model T was like 1905,

or something like that.

I've got a feeling that the Titanic was early 1910s. Right, OK.

The motorbike, I do not know.

Let's go with that order because we're guessing. We are.

So let's go with it.

OK, the panel's unanimous decision

is the mode of transport in order of when they were built,

the earliest first of all, is what you can see in front of you.

Thanks, panel. Anything in there? Yes.

Was there? There was something in there, yes.

They reminded me that there has recently been

a centenary of the Titanic so I think I was probably about

ten years out when I said 1901, initially.

I think it's possible that there were Harley-Davidsons

knocking around in the 1890s.

So, I'm going to say that the Harley-Davidson came first.

I could be totally wrong!

Then I'm going to go Ford Model T car.

Then I'm going to go Titanic.

OK...

You've gleaned enough information to decide the Harley-Davidson

was built first.

Then the Ford Model T, then the Titanic.

For ?300...

Is that the right order?

It is the right order! APPLAUSE

Well done. I don't know how I managed that.

Really, really good work. The first Harley-Davidson motorcycle was 1903.

The first Ford Model T car, 1908.

The Titanic was started in 1909,

it was launched in 1911 and sank on its maiden voyage in 1912.

Dani, well played. That was a great bit of game play.

Thank you. ?300 to your prize pot.

You are now up to ?700, well done.

So, Dani, how is our panel doing for you? They have a 50% record.

They have two out of four. Three out of four for your good self. Mm-hm.

Who's standing out? Well, they've all been very helpful.

They've all had little nuggets of information,

or little ideas here and there.

Or wrong answers that have directed you to the right answer.

OK, look, you're going to have to choose one for your final

debate but that is all after our final round where there is

still another ?1,000 up for grabs.

Let's play Round Three!

In this round, you are going to face questions that contain three

statements about a person, a place, or a thing.

Only one of those statements is true.

You need to find that for us to win the money.

Two questions in this round. Because it's our final round, we're going to up the cash to ?500,

so we can really get this up. Best of luck. Here we go.

I don't think that B's correct,

so it is a toss-up between A and C.

My inclination at this stage is to say that C is correct but

I'm really not sure of that.

So you think they have four toes on their hind feet. Yeah.

Don't worry. Don't worry. I'm very unsure.

I'm sure our panel can sort this out.

Panel, your debate starts now.

The only elephant I've ever seen are the Asian ones.

I'm pretty sure that they don't all have tusks.

I think they're bigger than African elephants. Do you? Yeah.

Oh, no. What I do think is about the four toes on their hind feet

because I think there's something about equal balance, about

the equilibrium of having two and two

and I think I might have heard some old,

Indian mythological fable which is to do with the equality

of an elephant having four toes.

We feel like we've seen elephants that don't have tusks.

We feel like, yeah. We feel like we've seen tuskless elephants.

I have always thought that African elephants were bigger

than Asian elephants.

I don't know why. OK, I think Asians are bigger but...

I think elephants in Asia have four toes on their hind feet.

That's my hunch.

You're going for the four toes. What about yourself?

Yeah, I think I would probably go with the four toes.

I want to go for the larger than African elephants. Oh, do you?

But, but, I shall bow to the superior knowledge of my

fellow panellists and the panel's decision is that Asian

elephants have four toes on their hind feet.

Dani, does any of that make any sense?

Um, Yes, it does, yeah.

I liked Sunetra's theory about the four toes on the hind feet

and if you think about it in a way on our hands,

we have like the four fingers,

so maybe there's some sort of link there, like the four toes,

four fingers, I don't know.

I'm going to say that C is the correct statement.

OK.

You're agreeing with the panel.

We all believe that Asian elephants have four toes on their hind feet.

If it's correct, it's ?500 into the prize pot.

Here we go... Is it true?

It is true!

Well done. Well done, panel.

They have four toes on their hind feet,

while African elephants only have three.

All African elephants have tusks but only some male

Asian elephants have them.

They are smaller than African elephants.

That is ?500 added to your prize pot

giving you a total of ?1,200.

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Good, thank you.

Here comes your final question of this round.

Let's see if we can get you up another 500 to 1,700.

My first inclination is A or B.

I'm not sure.

OK, so you're veering towards it's never left Europe or she wears

a veil. It one of three! It is one of three.

I really don't know.

It is one of three. I know nothing.

Let's see if one of this three can sort it out.

It's a very cultured panel. I'm sure you can sort this out.

Your debate starts now.

It was stolen, wasn't it? Yes.

So it may have left Europe. OK.

We know that it was once stolen,

which gives us an idea it could have travelled further than Europe.

Yes. And does she wear a veil?

She doesn't look like she wears a veil because she's sitting

like this with her parting, isn't she?

I don't remember a veil. It's not an obvious...

It's also very small, isn't it?

It's also one of those interesting facts that when you do walk

around the Louvre, you go, can you believe that she was wearing a veil?

You absolutely don't see it in the picture.

If we don't see the veil, we have to assume

that she wasn't wearing a veil. OK.

Elbow the veil. Get rid of the veil.

Was she around in the 15th century?

But if it was painted in 1400 and something,

that is the 15th century, isn't it?

I think it was 1400 and something, wasn't it?

Equally, it could have been 1500 and something. Oh!

Dani, herself, thinks it's either A or B. Dani's a smart dude.

We've eliminated B because we don't think it's B.

Maybe we should go with A because...

Yes...

I think maybe it was painted in the 1500s or 16th century.

We still have a conundrum. What do you think?

Sunetra, what do you think?

Now, through our analysis,

I'm going to go for the painting has never left Europe.

OK, Rick?

Yeah, I think our analysis is relatively good.

I'll go for the painting has never left Europe. OK.

The panel's unanimous decision is that the Mona Lisa

has never left Europe.

The panel believe that it has never left Europe.

Is that any use?

It is, yeah. I think that Da Vinci painted it...

I think it was the 1500s, which would have been the 16th century.

So I agree with Rick on that.

Um, the veil thing.

Even though it's a painting you think that you're familiar with,

sometimes there are little details,

if it was a black veil, would you see it on the black hair?

But I'm inclined to agree with the panel

that the painting has never left Europe.

I think I'm going to go with A.

You believe that the painting has never left Europe.

For ?500, has the Mona Lisa never left Europe?

It's the wrong answer. No!

The true statement is that the Mona Lisa wears a veil.

The delicate, dark veil that covers the Mona Lisa's hair

is sometimes considered a mourning veil.

There it is.

In fact, such veils were commonly worn as a mark of virtue.

It was painted in the 16th century.

Although the Mona Lisa is usually on display in the Louvre,

in 1974 it travelled to Tokyo to the National Museum there

and the Pushkin Museum Of Fine Arts.

The Mona Lisa was stolen in 1911 by a former employee who

believed that it wrongly belonged to Italy.

But Da Vinci had been commissioned by Louis XIV to paint the

picture, so it was actually French property.

Unfortunately, no luck with that one, Dani.

It means that you're going to be playing for ?1,200

in our final debate.

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So, quite a tidy sum.

Not bad. Any plans for that?

Oh, that would be a nice little weekend away,

maybe in Barcelona or someone nice with Eleanor and the husband. Nice.

OK, there's just one question that stands between you and the money,

and that is today's Final Debate.

You will face one question, Dani.

There are six possible answers, but only three are correct.

In order to win the cash, we need all three correct answers.

As always, you're not playing alone.

It is your Final Debate, so you're going to choose one of these

fantastic brainboxes to play along with.

You and your celebrity will have 45 seconds to answer,

so who would you like to join you for the Final Debate?

Ooh, it's a difficult decision,

because they've all been very helpful in different ways.

I think...

I'm going to ask Carol to help me.

Carol, could you please join us for the Final Debate.

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So, Carol, Dani has put her faith in you, and rightly so.

Dani, I just hope that we can do this.

I so want you to get that money.

OK, it is our Final Debate,

that means we're going to give you a choice of two subjects.

Here they come.

Well, there is no decision as far as I'm concerned, it has to be music.

Yeah, yeah. Music's good.

Yeah, we're settled on music, please, Paddy.

We're settling on music,

and we're hoping that it's specifically 1990s music.

If it's about Morrissey, we're good.

Yeah, what sort of music do you like?

I like '80s, '90s, I kind of stop there as well.

But classical, I am lost. Right.

So if it's glam rock or opera, then we're trouble.

But '80s or '90s, we might be OK. So fingers crossed.

OK, glam rock or opera, you're in trouble... Yep!

Fingers crossed, we're going for music.

So, Dani, for ?1,200, best of luck,

here it comes, your Final Debate question.

Dani and Carol, for the final time, your 45-seconds debate starts now.

Any stand out? Marriage of Figaro think is Mozart. Yeah.

Don Giovanni? Possibly. That sounds like, to me. Aida does as well.

But I am no buff on this, these are just ones I know. I don't think...

Aida's the Egyptian one. I don't think that was Mozart.

What about the Barber Of Seville? Hmm... I don't think so.

My inclination is no. What nationality was Mozart?

He was born in Austria, Salzburg. OK, so Seville, Spain.

Doesn't mean anything, but just throwing it out there.

The Clemency Of Titus... Never heard of it. Neither have I!

It's probably the answer! Yes.

So, Marriage Of Figaro we think yes, Don Giovanni, we think...

Maybe. Maybe. And it's just the last one. Fidelio.

Fidelio? Yep, that sounds... It could be. Could be.

Aida's gone, so it's Fidelio or the Clemency Of Titus.

BUZZER Time up, guys.

Dani, I need three operas, please.

OK. Marriage of Figaro.

Don Giovanni.

And...

Fidelio.

Fidelio.

OK, they are locked in.

If those are the three operas by Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart,

you leave with ?1,200 today.

If one of those is incorrect, I'm afraid you do leave with nothing.

Best of luck.

First up, The Marriage Of Figaro, is that an opera by Mozart?

It is. APPLAUSE

We're up and running.

You then said Don Giovanni.

Is Don Giovanni an opera by Mozart?

To keep us on track for the 1,200.

It's a correct answer. APPLAUSE

So, you guys then toyed with the Barber of Seville and Aida,

you ruled both of those out,

and it left us with the Clemency Of Titus and Fidelio.

You went with Fidelio.

Is Fidelio an opera by Mozart?

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It's the wrong answer, Dani, I'm so sorry.

It was actually by Beethoven. Oh, dear.

Let's have a little look at the correct answer,

it WAS The Clemency Of Titus!

It was so close.

It was so, so close.

I'm sorry, you don't leave with any money today,

but you've played the game so, so well. Thanks for coming in.

Thank you. One more time, let's hear it for Dani. Thanks very much.

APPLAUSE Well done, you were brilliant.

So close. That is it for Debatable.

There's just enough time for me to thank our fantastic panel,

Carol Kirkwood,

Sunetra Sarker

and Rick Edwards.

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I hope you've enjoyed watching,

we will see you next time for more heated debates.

For now, it's goodbye from me.

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