Episode 21 Debatable

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Hello and welcome to Debatable,

the quiz show where talk is cheap

but celebrity chat can win a contestant money.

This week, we'll be playing five special extra-long editions

because celebrity chat, as we know, is priceless.

One player must answer a series of tricky questions

to try to win a jackpot of ?3,000 but they're not on their own

as they'll also have a panel of celebrity brainboxes

debating their way to the answer.

Will they help or will they hinder? Well, that's Debatable.

So, let's meet them.

On today's show we have retired MP and writer Ann Widdecombe...

..broadcaster Dan Walker,

and comedian Russell Kane.

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All right, that is our panel. Let's meet today's contestant.

It's Gordon McCranor from Lincolnshire.

How are you doing, sir? Great. Great to be here.

Tell us a little bit about yourself.

I'm a part-time supply teacher,

I took early retirement from teaching last year.

So I still do a bit of supply,

but my main passion is making cigar box guitars

and slide guitars and selling them at music festivals.

Come on. And you're also in a band yourself?

I'm in a ukulele band, yes. So we make ukuleles as well.

So you like your music, you like your festivals,

you're off to New Orleans with your brother.

I go to new Orleans every year with my brother, yeah.

We go every over for the music. It's a fantastic place.

It's one of my favourite places in the world, I must say, yeah.

OK, so, what's your strongest topics today?

What are you hoping's going to come up? What are you hoping to avoid?

Music, I'm OK with that. Geography, travel, that should be good stuff.

And then we'll see what happens.

I might be relying on some people for politics and sport and comedy.

OK, look, best of luck. Thanks a lot.

Let's get this Debatable show on the road as we play Round One.

OK, Gordon, this round is multiple choice.

Each question has four possible answers but only one is correct.

Now helping you find the correct answer is our esteemed panel.

Will you go with what they say or will you go your own way?

It is entirely up to you. Three questions in the round.

Each question is worth ?200 which we will bank for you

for your final debate at the end of the show.

Excellent. Ready to play? Let's do it. OK, best of luck.

Let's get cracking. Here we go. Question one.

Any thoughts, first of all, Gordon?

I think I'd probably go for an antrat.

OK. You're going for antrat.

Let's see what our panel make of this.

It's over to you for our first debate. Starts now. Well...

Can anybody picture an aardvark in their minds?

BOTH: Yes.

Right, OK, what does is it look like most?

Quite long in snout, claws.

Gordon went for sort of antrat off the bat

and I think bear seems a bit weird.

But does it, though?

You got two choices here. You can go with

whether it's in the same group of animals.

Is it a rodent or behaviourally, is it more bear-like

in the way it sort of excavates and hunts for its food the way

a bear would, sort of go through with its paws

and tear prey and food out?

I think antrat. I mean it looks like... Is it a rodent, though?

Do you know for sure it's a rodent? Cos there's a group of animals...

No, I don't know for sure it's a rodent but I think if you're looking

for rat-like characteristics, surely it has them.

Antdog. Anyone fancy antdog?

No, absolutely not. Antdog gone. Anthorse? No.

What is it indigenous to? An aardvark... Is it Africa somewhere?

I thought it was but I'm not sure. Are you?

Say it's coming across from Zulu or some language.

It could easily come across as anthorse.

Do you know? I always think one should be simple about these things.

One can talk oneself into a really complicated scenario.

And you're ready good at doing that. LAUGHTER

I'm going to antrat.

Right, so, Ann, you say antrat. Russell?

I would have gambled for antbear. OK.

So antrat, antbear. I think... Gordon, we're going to help you out

and we're going to go together for antrat.

We think, but we're not sure.

We're not at all sure. Right, no, no. We're so helpful.

No, it's great.

I'm looking at that name and it kind of looks Afrikaans, doesn't it?

I like Russell's logic about the bear.

But I'm going to go with antrat. I've got to go with antrat.

You can't go against Ann Widdecombe. You can.

You can if your name's Russell Kane, I mean... Yes.

I thought Russell talked a lot of sense there.

Can I just throw one last thing in?

Yes. Rats are quite urban. Bears tend to live in the wild.

And, aardvarks, you don't sort of see them running up a tower block,

do you?

Stealing cheese.

So, obviously, Russell has given us a detailed case. I do, indeed.

Ann, of course, a former government minister

has actually just gone for... I don't know anything about rats.

Forget the detail. Let's go for the big policy.

I'm going for the cheese-stealing antrat.

OK. You're going for the cheese-stealing antrat.

For ?200. Is antrat the correct answer?

Oh!

It was antbear! Should have listened to you.

You should have gone with Russell. He's the man. He's the man.

Oh, you've changed.

"You can't argue with Ann Widdecombe,"

and now, "Russell's the man"!

It's politics, man. It is politics. LAUGHTER

Although they are actually known as antbears

due to their diet of ants and termites,

the name aardvark is actually from the Afrikaans language,

which means earth pig... Oh.

..which refers to their piglike face.

It looks more like a rat than a bear. That's a rat. That's a rat.

They've got it wrong, haven't they? I call that an antrat.

I love the fact now that the panel, even though they've got it wrong,

are actually saying, "It should be called what I thought it was."

OK, plenty more catch up there, Gordon.

Let's see if we can bag some in our second question. Here it comes.

How are you on your films, Gordon? I'd go for Ben-Hur.

Gut feeling, Ben-Hur. I really think Ben-Hur, yeah.

You're going classic Ben-Hur. Got to go for this.

Can't beat a bit of Charlton

OK, first thought, Ben-Hur. Over to our panel.

The debate starts now.

What's your film knowledge like?

Well, not good, though I do know those.

But when Ben-Hur was made,

if you had one very major standout film,

it tended to get a lot of Oscars so... Yes.

..my gut instinct, but it's no more than gut instinct, is with Ben-Hur

and its magnificent chariot race, which I remember.

I share your gut instinct, Ann, on that one.

I remember Slumdog Millionaire was successful, though, wasn't it?

I remember it did really well.

It smashed the Oscars in two in the most surprising way.

But I just have a distant memory of Ben-Hur winning about nine, I think.

Yeah. Eight or nine.

In the dusty recesses of my memory.

What about The Godfather?

Part two definitely did better than part one.

It's one of the few sequels in... I saw part one, I didn't see part two.

It's the only sequel in history that did better.

I didn't want to see part two, having seen part one.

Don't watch part three. Travesty.

Part three's awful, it's like a soap opera.

What about Shakespeare In Love?

I remember seeing it. 1996.

I was single at the time, so I enjoyed that one.

Can you remember the Oscars, though, Russell?

Did it do well? Yes, it's the Oscars.

Joseph Fiennes and Gwyneth Paltrow. Yeah.

I think it won about four or five. Are you going Hur?

I'm definitely going Ben-Hur.

Slumdog in second place but I'm going to go Hur as well.

OK, so we've got a Hur, a Hur and a triple Hur for you.

OK, so her, him and him have gone for Hur.

What do we think, Gordon?

"Loved Ben, Hated Hur," wasn't that the review? Yes.

Yes, it was. I'm going Ben-Hur.

You're going with our panel? You got to go classic. Yeah, absolutely.

There is a quorum.

OK, you went with the panel first time. It didn't work out.

You've gone with them for a second time for ?200 to get up and running.

Gordon, the correct answer is...

Yes! It is Ben-Hur. There we go.

Well done, sir.

How many? How many? How many?

Ben-Hur had...11.

You had a big number in your head. Nine or ten, I thought it was.

Ben-Hur won 11 Oscars.

Slumdog Millionaire, eight. Eight?

It did smash it, Russell. You were right.

Shakespeare In Love, seven. Ah. Wow. It was all right.

And The Godfather Part Two, six.

OK, so we're up and running, which means you have ?200 in the bank.

Well played.

Let's see if we can get the prize pot up to 400.

Here comes your next question.

Ann is already putting a finger in an imaginary map,

what do we think, Gordon?

It can't be England. There's a little island in the way.

I'm going France. OK, you're going France.

Let's see if the panel can shed any light on this.

The debate starts now. Let me take you inside this panel, OK?

Russell had a little fist pump as soon as the question came up.

But now I'm doubting the fist pump.

OK, Ann got a little atlas out.

Let's start with Ann's atlas, what's the atlas telling you?

Well, the first thing is, they travelled due east.

I would have said, I would have done the unpopular one,

I would have said England.

You could come east and just hit the tip of Cornwall

without touching anything else first. Yeah. Yeah.

Was that when you celebrated? No.

What were you thinking when you celebrated?

So, I was heavily into Dungeons Dragons

and didn't have a girlfriend for a long time.

LAUGHTER

But I was really into flags and globes to a worryingly,

er, older age, so about 17 or 18.

Now, I cannot be 100% certain, but I have an 80% to 90% memory

of watching a movie once when they are sweltering in New York,

thinking, "Why don't they have the same weather as us?

"Cos it's even."

And I went to my globe and got a bit of string and traced it.

ANN: Oh, you poor, sad thing. Thank you, thank you.

You've actually done Ann's line.

I was a level five wizard at Dungeons and Dragons,

so don't judge me too harshly.

I am almost sure - almost - it surprised me that it was Portugal.

Portugal?! A Dungeons and Dragons 80% memory is a good one.

How sort of wiling are you to stick your neck out on it?

Well, it's got to be England or Portugal.

I cannot see it missing us and hitting France. OK.

I'm going to stick with England. Ann says England. I'm sure it's...

Dungeons Dragons, Portugal.

..just below Lisbon, I'm going to go that specific.

Just south of Lisbon. As a unit, we're going to go for Portugal.

So, Gordon, Russell...

I'm just hoping a flags round doesn't come up

because my true nerd will be exposed.

So Russell actually took out a piece of string

and he thinks that it's Portugal.

You see, that is why I'm saying France, because it's

a nice, large coastline there.

So it could very easily be that bit lower, and do you know what?

I'm going to go for Portugal.

I'm changing my mind, I'm going for this. Come on, Gordon!

I'm in trouble here. OK, the panel has changed your mind...

I can't watch this.

No pressure, Russell. I can't watch this.

Can we hug it out if I'm wrong?

For ?200, is it Portugal?

Come on! ANN: It's killing us.

YES! CHEERING

Well done. That's great, well done.

Thank you. I might not have had a girlfriend,

but I know where Portugal is. LAUGHTER

Russell is three for three. He's there.

New York City and Portugal both lie on the same parallel,

line of latitude, just north of Lisbon.

Thankfully, Ann, France didn't get a look in there.

No, I'm very glad about that.

LAUGHTER

OK, well done, Gordon, that's another ?200 in the prize pot,

bringing you up to ?400.

Good luck.

So, Gordon, this is the point where we first ask,

how do we think the panel's doing today?

Russell's on fire, he's all over it, isn't he? He is.

Ann's moment is yet to come, but...

That's harsh. Ann, that's out of order.

- No, it's not... - I gave you Ben-Hur straight off!

I thank you for that.

You know, you can go off people, you be careful.

Remarkable backtrack there from Gordon, wasn't it?

So, let's see how they cope with pictures. It's time for Round Two.

Gordon, Round Two is our picture round,

all you have to do is place three pictures in the correct order.

There are three questions in this round,

each of them is worth ?300, so we can really get that cash up.

Here it comes, first question in Round Two.

What's your first thought?

If I was going to put them in an order, I'd probably go

White House, Windsor Castle and Palace of Versailles.

This is where Ann is going to be totally on fire,

I am sure she's hung out

with Obama and all that lot.

He's trying to win you over now, Ann. He's too late.

Too late.

So this is the moment, this is Ann's moment about to come?

Absolutely.

I think it is White House, Windsor Castle, Palace of Versailles.

OK, let's see if Ann or the rest of the panel

can shed some light on this one. Your debate starts now. OK.

Ann, have you met Barack?

I've been to all three.

I agree entirely that the White House is the smallest.

I'm not sure I agree with you on it. Why not?

Because Windsor Castle is ginormous in the size of

the place itself, the residence, the biggest castle in the world,

but the White House, I think, has got the bigger grounds.

Hang on, have you walked the grounds in Windsor Castle?

Now, I did, on Christmas Day.

Believe it or not. I actually walked miles.

Was it circular though? No, it was not circular. Stop being so rude.

I may be circular, but the walk wasn't.

RUSSELL LAUGHS

So, I actually think Windsor Castle's grounds

are much bigger than anybody thinks.

OK, I've been to the White House as well. Yeah.

And what did surprise me, obviously the grandeur and everything,

but there was a lot of grass around it, and... A lot of grass?

Windsor Castle has got park on park on park...

Yeah, but that's not...

Grounds, it doesn't say "gardens", it says grounds.

That's all the grounds.

OK, Windsor Castle, I'm pretty sure I saw Helen Mirren,

playing the Queen, drive across it, ride across it on a horse.

If you need a Range Rover to traverse it,

it has got to be the biggest, easily.

You need vehicles and transposition to move across it. It's huge.

It's huge. Have you seen Olympus Has Fallen?

Think of the American mentality. It's whopper!

White House is gigantic.

And Versailles is formal gardens, it is not large, rambling parks.

Of the White House, what are you saying, Dan?

I think it's quite a modest lawn and walking area,

and all of the show-off goes into the structure.

The British way would be to have rolling countryside and everything,

Windsor, the Palace of Versailles

I'd just stick in the middle, because I think the White House

is so small and Windsor... I'm entirely with you.

Beginning with the smallest - White House, Versailles, Windsor.

Gordon. I'm going to have to address you individually on this.

I know that there is some serious weight,

Russell's had a brilliant game so far, but I am pretty certain,

I'd go 90%, that Windsor Castle is smaller than the White House.

You're the captain, order them, smallest to largest.

I'm going to go...

Even though it's going to really annoy Ann,

I'm going to go Windsor Castle smallest... What?!

..followed by the White House,

followed by the Palace of Versailles.

No, no. Windsor, White House...

Don't listen to a word of it. ..the French.

I am sorry, I have to disagree with my captain strongly.

I disagree hugely. Just based on,

I'm pretty sure that that famous scene with Helen Mirren...

Oh, never mind Helen Mirren, I walked the grounds on Christmas Day,

they're huge! LAUGHTER

We have got empirical versus data-based evidence here.

I think we actually have unity in the panel(!)

So, Ann has walked the grounds of Windsor Castle,

however, Dan has ridden roughshod over the panel

and decided that Windsor Castle is the smallest,

followed by the White House.

Helicopters, you know, look at the size of that.

That's the front lawn. What about round the back and...?

A helicopter can land at a posh hotel.

Helicopter lands on a helipad, which can actually be quite small.

Could land one in here. Bring one in!

That's just on like your front garden.

Children, please. Sorry.

Our panel has gone for

Windsor Castle, White House, Palace of Versailles.

Anything in there to make you change your mind?

I'm going to change slightly.

I'm going to go White House,

Palace of Versailles and Windsor.

OK, Gordon, you've gone against the panel.

You've gone with White House,

Palace of Versailles and Windsor Castle.

For ?300, let's see if you're right.

AUDIENCE: Aww. It's the wrong order.

Wow. Dan, what was your order again?

Windsor Castle smallest,

followed by the White House and then the Palace of Versailles.

Let's see if you're right, Dan.

You WERE right, Windsor Castle is the smallest...

Well, then they're excluding the parks.

..then the White House, then the Palace of Versailles.

Eat that, Widdecombe.

How can they exclude the park? I included the park.

Windsor Castle has 13 acres of ground.

The White House has 18 acres of ground.

It's huge round the back, yeah.

The Palace of Versailles has a whopping 1,976 acres.

Wouldn't get round that on Christmas Day, would you?

LAUGHTER Oh, man.

The Palace of Versailles was built by Louis XIII as a hunting lodge

and then transformed into an extravagant palace by Louis XIV.

I'm afraid you got that question wrong, Gordon.

Still plenty of money to play for, and you're still on ?400.

OK, Gordon, let's have a little look

at question two in our picture round.

Now, that look on your face... Mm.

..suggests you're not sure on this one.

I think Lewis is going to be top.

Which way round would we go for Gareth or Rory?

I think we might have a chap

who knows something about sport on the panel,

so I'm going to have a listen, I think.

So over to you, Ann.

LAUGHTER

You'll be lucky. What we actually need here,

we need someone on our panel who actually knows sport

and who doesn't care what the other members of the panel think.

LAUGHTER Your debate starts now.

Um, I think I can be pretty definitive on this one.

Can you be definitive over who they are first?

Cos I don't actually know.

Who do you know? Lewis Hamilton I know, he's a race car driver.

He's a very rich man. He's that chap in fast cars.

Gareth Bale is the guy who went from Spurs to Real Madrid

for a vast amount of money. Oh, he must play football then.

Oh, hockey, yeah, I love it(!) And Rory McIlroy is one of

the best golfers in the world, from Northern Ireland.

Right. I think... So BAIL's not a cricketer, then?

LAUGHING: No, he's not a cricketer, stop ribbing me.

I think Wayne Rooney is the richest, out of all the sports people...

But he's not there.

I know he's not there, but I think Rory McIlroy is in the top three,

because not only has he won a few majors,

the deals that he has with his various sponsors are enormous,

so I'd put Rory McIlroy above Lewis Hamilton,

and I'd actually put...

I think Gareth Bale's deal with his boot company,

with his clothing range...

Rory McIlroy's in the top three, definitely.

Top three of what? We've only got three people to choose from.

Of that rich list.

He's in the top three. Sorry.

There's only three there, of course he's in the top three.

Out of everybody, out of everybody. What, in the world, ever?

Of the rich list. What, Bill Gates and everyone?

No, rich list for British sportspeople. Sorry.

He's in the top three. OK. Just based on idiot's instinct,

I would have thought the Formula 1 guy makes the most money.

And the golfer second, the footballer last,

that's what I would have gone with. There you're looking at the sport,

which is a reasonable way of doing it,

but you are excluding the sort of things that you have

brought into it, which is that they have all these sidelines.

Well, Rory McIlroy was bought out of his last club deal,

and they paid him just an astronomical amount of money.

I think he's probably worth about 50, 60 million quid. You happy?

I can give thoughts and things to maybe give Gordon stuff

to think about, but... I can't even give thoughts. I have no clue.

I've only met one of them, I've met Lewis Hamilton,

we were in the private area of a bar and he had all these gold chains on

and these shots going,

and he thought I was Nick Grimshaw, so I just left.

LAUGHTER

It was really awkward. Wonderfully awkward.

And for that reason alone, we'll put him at the bottom of our list.

So, Gordon, what we're going with is -

least wealthy being Lewis Hamilton, Gareth Bale in front of him,

and right at the top, Rory McIlroy.

And you sound as if you do know what you're talking about.

Well, I hope so, if I don't, then I might have to retire.

So, that's what our panel think.

Now, Gordon, you initially thought that Lewis Hamilton

would have been way out in front.

Dan, of course, Mr BBC Sport,

believes that Lewis Hamilton is at the bottom.

We have Russell, who says he knows nothing about sport, but he thinks,

just based on logic, that Lewis Hamilton has to be the most wealthy.

Then the golfer? Yeah. And then the footballer at the bottom? Yeah.

OK. I'm going to go with Dan on this one, I think.

We'll go for this one.

I'm going to stick with the panel on this one. Lewis, Gareth and Rory.

In that order.

OK, so Dan says the career is on the line, you want me to lock it in.

And he promised to retire, he specifically promised to retire.

I think he did, Russell,

I think what he said was that if he gets this wrong...

I think I said I MIGHT have to retire.

OK, so you have gone with the panel and Dan's sport knowledge,

you say Lewis Hamilton is the least wealthy, then Gareth Bale,

with the richest being Rory McIlroy.

For ?300, to your rich list...

is it the correct order?

Tell me when I can look.

You were very confident.

It's the wrong order. No way!

And we can now announce

that this is Dan Walker's last show on the BBC, everybody.

Thank you, Dan, and goodnight!

Let's see the right order.

I hope I'm not right,

cos I've never heard of the two of them! Oh!

The right order was the footballer,

then the golfer... That's what I said!

..then the Formula 1 driver. That's what I said!

Gareth Bale, according to the Sunday Times Rich List, worth ?34 million.

Rory McIlroy, 56 million.

Lewis Hamilton, 106 million.

And I've hung out with him.

He didn't know who I was, but I've hung out with him.

Wow, OK.

I would have thought Lewis Hamilton,

but only, solely because he's the one I've heard of.

If you actually draw a piece of string between Rory McIlroy

and Lewis Hamilton...

It's a long bit of string, 150 million.

Although Gareth Bale earns 300 grand a week at Real Madrid,

Lewis is the richest British sportsman,

which is why he is able to get away with dressing like this.

LAUGHTER

There he is.

And the look on Ann's face as she checks that out is priceless.

Unfortunately, you went with the panel, you got that one wrong,

it means you still have ?400 in your prize pot, Gordon.

OK, question three, let's hope it's either

a Dungeons Dragons question or a politics question,

which Dan can, of course, answer. LAUGHTER

Here it comes.

I think Gordon Ramsay's about the same sort of age as me.

I think Nigella's a little bit younger.

And what age are you? I'm 56.

Starting with the youngest, I'd say Nigella,

then Gordon Ramsay, then Marco Pierre White.

That's my feelings.

OK, that's your first thoughts.

Over to you, panel.

Your debate starts now.

Well, my gut instinct is that Nigella is the youngest.

Right, well, it is a food round,

so the gut is a good thing to guess on. Yes, absolutely right.

Gordon Ramsay has had one of the longest...

But Marco Pierre White's had a more sort of a chef, an artisanal chef...

Become famous through the cheffing

more as the celebrity into the cookery.

Marco Pierre White is French as well, so they do... Age well.

Yeah, you can leave them out at room temperature and they're fine.

LAUGHTER

The problem we've got here is,

Nigella and Gordon are around the same age. I'll tell you that now.

Nigella looks amazing, Gordon Ramsay looks older than his age.

Yeah. How do you know?

Just because I've read interviews with him

and people are a bit unkind online and stuff like that.

If you told me that Gordon Ramsay and Nigella Lawson were both 49,

I wouldn't be shocked.

Right... Does anybody have any actual knowledge? No. No.

Nigella could just be a well maintained 53, 54-year-old, easily.

Sorry to mess with your head. You're not helping at all.

No, but I like the way you argued it out,

rather than throwing a wild guess out there. You think...?

Marco Pierre White is the oldest.

Let's put him at that end, and in terms of these two...

Yeah, let's... Switch them around? Well, I don't know.

Do you think Nigella's in her 40s or her 50s?

Let's keep it that broad. Oh, Nigella, early 50s.

Gordon Ramsay. Late 40s, early 50s? Probably.

Which one?

So you are not saying you're certain Gordon is in his 50s,

see what I mean? You went 50s straight away

with Nigella, but with Gordon, it could be late 40s.

Shall we go...? Shall we leave it...? I'm really worried now.

Right, we don't know. Yeah, let's leave it like that.

OK, we're going to leave it like this.

Gordon, I hope this helps you somehow,

we're going to go with the youngest being Gordon Ramsay,

er...then Nigella Lawson,

and the oldest of our celebrity chefs, Marco Pierre White.

We're unanimous for once.

OK, the panel has gone for Gordon Ramsay, Nigella Lawson,

Marco Pierre White.

There seemed to be a little bit of sense talked there.

Just so you know, however, Marco Pierre White is actually from Leeds.

Is he? Yes.

Dad's English and his mum is from Italy.

Right, that's the end of that, then.

I wouldn't be surprised if it comes out that way,

cos it's a difficult one to say.

I don't think there's a great deal between Gordon Ramsay

and Nigella Lawson.

However, I did say Nigella first then Gordon,

and I have changed and gone with the panel a couple of times.

I'm going on this one,

I'm going to go Nigella, Gordon Ramsay, Marco Pierre White.

And I've only got myself to blame.

OK. Burnt by the panel on the last question,

the trust is now gone, you're going on your own, you're going for?

Nigella, Gordon and then Marco.

Nigella the youngest, Gordon in the middle, then Marco Pierre White.

Is it the correct order, for ?300?

GASPS AND LAUGHTER

It's the wrong order, Gordon.

Marco will turn out to be 23 or something.

Let's see what the correct order is.

Ramsay, look.

AUDIENCE GASPS

No! Gordon Ramsay, Marco Pierre White,

and Nigella Lawson is the oldest. Wow. Ramsay is the youngest.

We were all wrong. The panel were wrong as well.

Gordon Ramsay was born in 1966,

Marco Pierre White was born in '61, Nigella...

looking good for born in 1960.

OK, Gordon, unfortunately, you didn't manage to bank anything

in that round, so your prize pot is still ?400.

Don't worry, though -

there's still 1,500 quid up for grabs in Round Three.

OK, how are we feeling about our panel now?

If you had to choose one to help you in the final debate,

who would it be?

Right now, I think I'd go for Russell,

there seems to be a lot of logic going on there.

Very wise choice. Very good choice.

OK, in this round, Gordon, you're going to face questions

that contain three statements about a person,

a place or a thing, but only one of those statements is true.

You must decide which one.

Three questions in this round, and because it's our final round

each question is worth ?500,

so plenty of opportunity to get this cash up.

OK, Gordon, here's your first question.

Right, OK. I think I know this.

I do remember her being in National Velvet.

And I do think that was her first film.

So that's one that I'll go for,

I think that B is the true answer.

OK, panel, do you agree with Gordon? Your debate starts now.

Yes, I absolutely agree with Gordon. Throw it out there, Ann.

No, I really do.

I mean, I hardly ever know the answers to film questions.

This one I do know.

It was one about the Grand National.

If it's a trick question and it's around debut,

was she in ANYTHING before National Velvet?

She was a child star, wasn't she?

Yeah, but she was in National Velvet.

If she was a child star, it's not her film debut, is it?

No... She wasn't a child in National Velvet, was she?

Yes, she was a child in National Velvet.

She wasn't, like, a kid in National Velvet.

No, she wasn't three or four, but...

This isn't Shirley Temple, this is Elizabeth Taylor.

How old was she, approximately, a teenager?

Er... She was about 11. OK.

The Andy Warhol thing,

he's definitely done some Elizabeth Taylor

because she was so famous, wasn't she, in the '60s

when Andy Warhol was doing his business? Yeah.

I mean...the answer is, "I don't know."

So pretty sure the Madonna thing's a no-no, yeah?

So it's a choice between those two.

I'm sure I'd remember it.

Look how many syllables are in it and how hard it would be to rhyme.

Hard to scan it, isn't it? Yes.

Unless she called her Tayles. "Elizabeth Tayles."

It's definitely not in the Madonna song.

You're sort of rock-solid certain, are you?

Well, unless the doubt is in the debut, so to speak.

But, no, I'm going with National Velvet.

I'll go with National Velvet.

OK, in summary, Ann is going for National Velvet,

Russell is going for National Velvet.

I've got a feeling it's Andy Warhol,

but I'm so scarred by the Lewis Hamilton thing,

we're going with National Velvet.

Safety in numbers.

OK, Dan has lost complete confidence in himself.

He is swayed by Russell and Ann. They are going for National Velvet.

Er, has this helped?

It has helped, but Dan throwing the curveball in there, really,

with the Andy Warhol.

I'm trying to think of Andy Warhol art

and I don't really remember seeing...

anything much with Elizabeth Taylor in it.

He may have redeemed himself, but I'm still going for National Velvet.

I've got to go for National Velvet.

It was my first feeling and that's what I'm sticking with.

OK, Gordon is going with the panel - National Velvet.

Can we get the cash up for ?500?

Is National Velvet the correct statement?

Dan was right!

She featured in more than one Andy Warhol work of art.

Unbelievable!

Dan knows more about art than football.

Warhol apparently painted a series of 13 paintings of Elizabeth Taylor.

She was huge, wasn't she? 13 in 1963.

She made her film debut in One Born Every Minute.

No. Back in 1942, Ann.

I'm sorry, Gordon... I believed it. I was convinced. I was convinced.

Gordon, I've lost my confidence.

No, you've got your confidence back.

You're there. The BBC art critic...

LAUGHTER

He needs a new job. Just call me Will Gompertz.

We could do a Dungeons Dragons show together.

OK, let's see if we can get this back on track together, team.

Here we go.

For ?500, here's your next question...

Which one of those stands out for you, Gordon?

I would go for the heart is located above the lungs.

OK, let's see what our panel makes of this. Your debate starts now.

Right, so, my heart's beating quite fast, I'm genuinely nervous.

That's me touching my beating heart.

Now, I have a faint memory of me breathing into a device

to measure my lung capacity.

I think it might be called a spirometer.

That, added to the fact that it's called expiration when you

breathe out, it seems to have a sort of linguistic connection

to that, so I would go spirometer.

For different reasons, I'm drawn to the middle one as well,

because my mum was a first aid teacher and I remember

having to sit through various first aid classes.

One of the things she told us was that the lungs

are a different size and different shape.

I share your view. I'm trying desperately now to remember

models of the human anatomy.

But my heart is beating here, Ann. I promise you...

Yeah, I believe you.

It's cos I'm looking at you. She doesn't want to look at you.

Right, OK, well,

I'm breathing deeply cos I'm trying to think and you're not letting me.

Be quiet. That's testing where my lungs are, you see?

Yeah, I think I'm joining you with spirometer.

Hold on a minute... Are we unanimous for once? Are we united?

I think so. We're united.

So there you have it. We are united. Ann says spirometer.

Russell says spirometer.

As a triumvirate, we say with confidence...

spirometer. Spirometer.

We have unity in the panel, Gordon.

Not only are they going for spirometer, so am I.

Spirometer. OK. Gordon is agreeing with our panel.

Let's see, for ?500, to get this prize pot up...

Now my heart's going.

..is everyone correct?

Does a spirometer record the movement and capacity of lungs?

Surely it's that. Surely.

CHEERING

We got there in the end.

You were right, the left lung is slightly smaller,

the heart is located in between the lungs.

If you want to know what a spirometer is...

Is that what you blew into? Yeah.

I had a lung age of 22.

OK, well done. That is ?500 into the prize pot. We're now up to ?900.

APPLAUSE

Well done, panel.

OK, final question, let's try to get up to ?1,400.

Here we go. Best of luck.

I can't remember, is it the Mariana Trench

or something like that?

I think that that is the deepest point on Earth. I'm going for A.

It's the deepest point on Earth.

OK, first thought is the deepest point on Earth.

Panel, your debate starts now.

Well, it's not... It's not the second largest ocean, is it?

No, it's the biggest.

It's the biggest, so rule out the second largest ocean.

We're definitely sure about that. Surrounds Africa...

You know your Portugals from your New Yorks.

Anyone that's been to the Canaries

know that you have to swim in the freezing cold Atlantic Ocean.

Just by eliminating the other two, you come down to the first.

Pretty sure that it's also the deepest ocean on there.

It's also how Essex people say "specific".

LAUGHTER

It is, genuinely.

"I've got a PACIFIC thought about that."

I like the way that our unity has grown

through the course of this programme.

Ann says it contains the deepest point on Earth.

Russell says it contains the deepest point on Earth.

Altogether, we say that it does contain the deepest point on Earth.

OK, no messing around there from the panel.

We have unity, they're very confident.

You thought it did contain the deepest point on Earth.

And I still say it contains the deepest point on Earth.

OK, let's hope it does,

because this is going to get the money up to ?1,400.

Does the Pacific Ocean contain the deepest point on Earth?

It does!

Well done, Gordon.

The deepest point on Earth, you were right, it was the Mariana Trench.

It's in the Pacific Ocean.

It is approximately 36,000 feet below sea level.

Africa is surrounded by the Atlantic and the Indian Ocean.

Good news, Gordon,

you've managed to get your money up in that round,

so it means that, at the end of our three rounds,

you're going to be playing for a prize pot today of ?1,400.

APPLAUSE

OK, Gordon, there's just one question that stands between you

and the money and that is today's Final Debate.

You will face one question.

That question has six possible answers, three are correct.

In order to win the money,

we need you to give me all three correct answers.

We're going to make life a little bit tricky for you

as you will only be able to access one member of the panel.

You and your celebrity will have 45 seconds to debate the answer.

So, based on performance today, Gordon,

who would you like to join you in the Final Debate?

We'll have Russell, then, I think.

Ugh! LAUGHTER

He's performed really, really well.

I've got to go with Russell.

OK. Russell, would you please join us as we play the Final Debate?

Oh, really?

OK, Russell, Gordon has chosen you.

You've played really, really well so far. How confident are you feeling?

I'm confident if I get a subject I know about, I'll be able to nail it.

OK. Best of luck.

We're going to give you two categories, Gordon, to choose from.

Have a look at today's Final Debate categories.

Money might be a currency. What are you like on currencies?

I'll be all right with Money. We can go with Money.

I think I'm going to go for Money.

Slightly more nerdy than flag collecting. It is, yeah.

Flag collecting and money. We'll go for that one.

OK, you're going for Money to bag the money.

For ?1,400 with 45 seconds on the clock, best of luck, guys,

here is today's Final Debate question.

OK, all right. OK, all right.

Oh, dear, oh, dear.

45 seconds starts now.

It's going to be guesses, I'm afraid, my man.

So these are for the countries...

I mean, the franc will obviously exist

because of the post-colonial French countries.

The shilling is likely to exist

because there was some Germanic involvement in Africa,

so there could be a leftover shilling somewhere.

Sounds logical. Yes, I'm just...

I'm just trying to put it in there.

I'm just trying to think of the colonialism as well.

Franc and shilling are the only post-colonial-sounding currencies.

We're going to have to guess. 15 seconds.

Yeah, so what countries are we going for, then?

We'll need to have a little look at this...

Oh, we're just having to say that these are African currencies,

aren't we? We pick just one more.

Well, shilling and franc.

Again, it's got that French...

KLAXON SOUNDS Time up, guys, I have to stop you.

Gordon, we need three currencies from those six.

Am I not allowed to speak?

Right, I'm going for franc, I'm going for shilling,

and I'm going for "leon". Or "leone".

You were pretty confident about franc and shilling. Yep.

Russell was pretty confident on those as well.

Let's start with franc.

For ?1,400, let's see if we can get a first correct answer.

Is franc an official African currency?

Yes! It is.

Franc is our first correct answer. You then said shilling.

To keep us on track for ?1,400, is shilling the correct answer?

Yes. Ooh.

OK, two from two.

You were pretty sure about franc, you worked out shilling.

The leone was a bit of a guess.

It was a throw out, but it sounded more that it would be. Colon...

That was my first... It's colon or leone, but I've got to go...

You've got to make a decision.

Dong is southeast Asia.

You guessed leone.

If leone is the correct answer, you leave with ?1,400.

Gordon, if it is the wrong answer, I'm afraid you leave with nothing.

Is leone an official African currency?

CHEERING

LAUGHING: Yes!

Awesome. Well played. Oh, wow.

Well done, congratulations. Well played, Russell.

New Orleans, here we come.

There we go - the franc, the shilling and leone.

Well played. The franc is in several African countries,

the French-speaking countries, also known as the CFA franc.

The Central African shilling is in Kenya, Somalia, Tanzania, Uganda.

Leone is, of course, Sierra Leone.

Well worked out.

The colon is the currency in Costa Rica.

The dong - Vietnam.

The taka is the unit of currency in Bangladesh. Yep.

And all of that means that you leave today with ?1,400.

Well played, Gordon.

Well done. Brilliant.

That is it for Debatable.

There's just enough time for me to thank our fantastic panel today -

Russell Kane, Ann Widdecombe, and Dan Walker.

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I hope you've enjoyed watching.

We will see you next time for more heated debates.

For now, it's goodbye from me.

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