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Mon, 03 Oct 2016

Bydd Alun yn y Senedd ym Mae Caerdydd yn clywed y diweddaraf am yr afiechyd y diciau. Alun will be at the Senedd in Cardiff Bay hearing more about bovine TB.


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-Hello and welcome to Ffermio

-and the Senedd in Cardiff Bay.

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-Bovine TB has cast its shadow

-over the chamber once again.

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-The question being asked is this.

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-Is there an alternative way to

-control the disease here in Wales?

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-Also on the programme, Daloni visits

-Richard Tudor from Llanerfyl.

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-She'll be looking

-at his beef enterprise.

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-Meinir has been following

-the Young Farmers' tractor tour.

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-Bovine TB has been

-a burning issue for decades.

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-With the current scheme

-to vaccinate badgers...

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-..postponed

-for an indefinite period...

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-..there are many farmers

-who have to continue their fight...

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-..with no certainty of a future.

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-They say that a picture

-is worth a thousand words.

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-For John and Eirlys Phillips,

-Cilifan, Trelech, Carmarthenshire...

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-..there are no appropriate words

-to describe the nightmare...

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-..of living with bovine TB

-for 15 years...

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-..and seeing the cattle

-leave the farm to be culled.

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-Every one of them.

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-Neither of them

-felt up to speaking on camera.

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-Alun Davies

-is one of the farm's vets.

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-The beginning of this incredibly

-sad day starts some 15 years ago...

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-..around the millennium.

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-John had an annual test.

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-Almost 40 cattle

-were diagnosed with bovine TB.

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-In the years that have passed

-since then, up until 2012...

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-..they've been under a movement

-restriction for their animals...

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-..for a year.

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-They had six months of being clear.

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-Since 2012...

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-..they've only had six months

-without a movement restriction.

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-During the last 15 years...

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-..I think between 400-500 cattle

-have been culled from this farm...

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-..due to bovine TB.

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-I think that the ministry,

-who make these decisions...

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-..saw that the situation

-was becoming impossible.

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-Testing wasn't clearing

-the disease from the farm.

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-I've been a vet in this area

-for over 40 years.

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-For the first 20 years I worked...

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-..I don't think

-I saw a positive test.

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-In the last 20 years...

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-..I fear the situation

-has got much, much worse.

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-We've spoken about how wildlife

-can affect this disease.

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-I'm not sure if that was the problem

-here, particularly recently.

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-It may have played a part

-early on in the situation.

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-Recently,

-the biggest problem we had here...

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-..was that the tests

-were not picking up infected cattle.

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-This has been shown in cattle

-who went from here to the abattoir.

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-They'd had over 20 tests but

-when they went to the abattoir...

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-..they had symptoms of bovine TB.

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-About four miles down the road,

-Gwyndaf Thomas keeps a dairy herd.

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-Unlike the situation at Cilifan...

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-..bovine TB

-is a recent problem on his farm.

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-We had 350 dairy cattle

-here at one point.

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-We kept 150 young stock.

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-We've been clear and we've been

-farming here for 20 years.

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-We haven't had much of a TB problem.

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-We had a test back in July,

-and 110 cattle went down with TB.

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-It wouldn't surprise me if clearing

-this ridge behind us was a cause.

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-Every tree was felled.

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-If I was a fox, badger

-or anything else...

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-..and saw all those trees

-coming down, I'd move pretty quick.

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-I'd think by now

-there was a system in place...

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-..that when someone

-is licensed to chop trees down...

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-..someone from Animal and Plant

-Health makes an assessment...

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-..of which wild animals

-are walking around...

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-..before the licence

-is given to fell the trees.

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-There has been a drop of 37%

-in the number of TB cases...

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-..since the culling programme

-began in 2008.

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-What do the two think

-of the government's efforts...

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-..in tackling the disease?

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-I think the intention of eradicating

-TB is strongly felt by farmers.

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-I'm not sure that the political

-element comes into the process.

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-There's a source of bovine TB

-in the wildlife.

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-Those two things work together...

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-..the TB in cattle

-and the TB in wildlife.

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-No country in the world

-has eradicated TB completely...

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-..without tackling and controlling

-the numbers of their wildlife.

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-I don't think

-they're trying hard enough.

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-They know that badgers

-and other forms of wildlife...

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-..carry this disease.

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-They should make an effort

-to sort it out in the wildlife too.

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-Taking dairy cattle or other cattle

-out of the system...

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-..isn't good enough.

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-They say they make decisions

-based on evidence.

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-How much more evidence do they need

-when the number of cattle...

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-..killed because of TB

-keeps climbing?

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-Or do they use that as an excuse

-not to take responsibility?

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-As a country, we've voted

-to leave the European Union.

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-Industry leaders

-and the government...

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-..need to open doors for us...

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-..and promote our produce across

-the world as high-quality produce.

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-If this black cloud

-continues to hang over our heads...

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-..their work will be more difficult.

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-That's our worry for the long term.

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-At the Senedd today,

-four opposition AMs...

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-..are calling

-on the Welsh Government...

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-..to deal with bovine TB

-in the most effective way possible.

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-We hope this argument

-will give the government support...

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-..by giving them

-a deep and wide illustration...

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-..of the problems

-farmers face at present.

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-95% of Welsh herds are free of TB.

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-Over the last year,

-there was an increase of 43%...

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-..in the number of cattle

-culled in Wales.

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-The purpose of doing this

-across the parties today...

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-..is to put pressure

-on the government.

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-They're going to announce their plan

-to eradicate TB in three weeks.

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-We want to make sure

-they hear from the Assembly...

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-..that we give voice to the worries

-farmers and rural people have...

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-..in the chamber.

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-We're hoping to lead the government

-to be more inclusive...

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-..in the way

-they deal with the problem...

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-..of TB in cattle

-and in wildlife as well.

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-Lesley Griffiths is the Secretary

-for Environment and Rural Affairs...

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-..in the Welsh Government.

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-It was good

-to have that discussion today.

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-Since I've come into post in May,

-I've said I'd look at the policy.

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-I intended to refresh it and I've

-spent the summer considering that.

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-I'll be making a statement

-on 18 October.

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-Compared to last year...

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-..the number of cattle culled

-so far this year has increased.

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-How much of a worry is that

-in the context of your decision?

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-I don't want to see

-that number rise.

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-It is rising

-because of the hard testing...

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-..and how sensitive we are being.

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-That accounts for the rise

-in the number of reactors.

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-The incidence in herds,

-however, is falling considerably.

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-Is it fair to say

-that the politicians are stalling...

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-..because of public opinion

-on badger-culling?

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-No, my predecessors and I

-have clearly said...

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-..that we would take the decision

-about our eradication programme...

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-..on evidence-based research.

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-That was the stance in the manifesto

-and that is how I think...

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-..we should get the eradication

-programme moving forward.

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-I'm very glad we've had this

-discussion and what we want now...

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-..is to see action being taken

-by the Welsh Government.

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-It is an unfortunate fact...

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-..that previous administrations

-have failed to act on this matter.

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-I want to see a holistic approach

-of dealing with this awful disease.

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-Several AMs are saying

-that it is time to act now.

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-We have to bear in mind the effect

-it will have as we leave the EU.

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-The Welsh Government has to act

-and act quickly.

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-The big problem

-is that the government...

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-..does not have

-a meaningful policy on TB.

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-There's no prospect of solving

-this problem for the future...

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-..unless we take advantage

-of all the options...

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-..which includes a humane and

-effective cull of infected badgers.

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-We're no nearer the shore.

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-People can play around

-with statistics...

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-..but the truth is

-we're not succeeding.

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-Governments in Wales

-have failed again and again.

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-Politicians like to say

-they listen to experts.

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-Vets and farmers say

-that there needs to be a cull...

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-..as part of a wider scheme.

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-That's something

-the Welsh Government must introduce.

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-Although opposition parties

-claim the government has failed...

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-..the Badger Trust

-here in Wales disagrees.

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-We are really impressed.

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-Wales is on the cusp

-of going TB free.

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-Do you realize

-what that means for Wales?

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-It means you can trade your animals

-all over the world.

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-In Europe,

-there will be no hold-back.

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-The farmers need congratulating for

-working with the Welsh Government.

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-We are well impressed.

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-Looking at the discussions

-that took place today...

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-..on the menu

-is the possibility of a return...

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-..to some kind of badger management,

-possibly including a cull.

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-How would you feel about that?

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-Disappointed, because

-it's a road that's going nowhere.

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-It's clear that this is a subject

-which divides opinions.

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-Whilst that is the case...

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-..a few farmers

-will have to continue to trade...

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-..under the shadow

-of this awful disease.

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-The big question is whether

-the politicians acknowledge...

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-..that cattle and wildlife

-need to be dealt with equally.

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-John will wake up tomorrow to no

-animals in the fields or sheds.

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-The problem is still there.

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-It's going to take a while

-to get used to it...

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-..over the next few weeks.

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-He can't own any stock

-for two months.

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-He has to wash

-and disinfect the buildings.

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-John is confident he can carry on

-and I hope that is the case.

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-Welcome back.

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-This week, the Farmers Weekly

-annual awards ceremony...

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-..is being held

-at a grand hotel in London.

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-There are lots of categories...

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-..one of them being

-the best beef cattle farmer.

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-Daloni visited one farmer

-from Wales who's in the race.

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-Richard Tudor and his family's home

-is Llysun Farm in Llanerfyl.

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-They keep 140 breeding cows,

-Simmental-Saler cross...

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-..and over 1,200 sheep

-on 290 hectares.

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-Congratulations on your nomination,

-Richard.

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-Thanks. It's a surprise

-that we've reached the last three.

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-We'll see how it goes on the night -

-one step at a time.

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-What sort of farm is it?

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-An uplands farm.

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-It's not a mountain farm,

-but it's not a lowland farm either.

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-We have a mixture of lower land

-and mountain land.

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-That's where the importance

-of the cattle comes in...

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-..to get the best from the mountain

-and the lowlands.

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-What attracted you to these breeds?

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-They all have their own advantages

-and virtues.

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-Simmental cows are good for milk

-production and are good mothers.

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-The calves grow well,

-but they are often overdue.

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-We decided to go for Salers

-because they calve on time.

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-They come on better as a result

-and better suit the mountains.

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-And the Charolais?

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-And the Charolais?

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-Yes, Charolais is the last cross.

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-Once we have the Sim-Salers,

-the Angus and Stabilisers come in.

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-Then we use Charolais because

-our main market is store cattle.

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-Customers come to buy them, so you

-have to produce what they want.

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-Richard has a spring calving system.

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-The emphasis is on fertility

-and improving the breeding...

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-..to develop cattle which

-will flourish here on the uplands.

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-When do the cattle come up here?

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-Once they've calved,

-which happens from April onwards.

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-Once we dehorn the calves, tag them

-and sort them into groups...

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-..they come up here

-from about the middle of May.

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-They're here then

-when they're serviced by a bull.

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-With luck, they'll be here until the

-end of the first week in November.

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-You're a lot higher up here

-than Llysun.

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-Yes, it's 1,400 feet

-on the top here.

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-This is the highest part

-of the mountain and the whole farm.

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-There's one group of Saler cattle.

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-They have been

-with the Saler bull this year.

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-The cross cattle

-have been with the Charolais bull.

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-We keep them in groups of about 25

-to a bull during the first month.

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-Once they've had a month

-with one bull, we collate them...

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-..so there'll be about 50 plus

-running in groups then.

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-Do you sell them

-from about ten months old?

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-Yes, the strongest calves,

-the Charolais and the Salers.

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-There's a sale in Welshpool,

-usually at the end of February.

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-We're lucky that we've got

-good customers there.

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-The same customer has bought

-most of them the last two years.

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-That's a sign that the cattle

-are performing for him.

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-These are the heifers, Richard.

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-Yes, heifers between

-12 and 15 months old.

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-They will calve as two-year-olds.

-They've had AI.

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-We synchronize everything to get

-the bull at the beginning of July.

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-They then run with the bull

-for two cycles.

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-The aim is that within 45 days...

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-..they should all have had

-three chances with the bull.

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-Which AI bull do you give them?

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-Which AI bull do you give them?

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-These have all had Angus this year.

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-One advantage of using an AI bull

-is that you can try different ones.

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-There are a couple of Stabiliser

-heifers here, and Angus.

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-We've been comparing them.

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-We can try the Saler

-and the Simmental with the heifers.

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-At the moment,

-Angus is the favourite.

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-Seeing Richard work, and his pride

-in the herd, is a pleasure.

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-The main aim is to get a cow

-that suits its environment.

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-Perhaps a cow that is a bit smaller

-works better on the grass.

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-We're looking

-at how the market is changing.

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-They want smaller cattle.

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-The abattoirs want smaller cattle.

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-You can see the influence of native

-breeds such as Angus and Shorthorns.

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-We just keep an eye on the market...

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-..and be ready to develop

-and have a more flexible system...

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-..to move into that market,

-if need be.

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-This year, the YFC has been

-celebrating its 80th birthday.

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-Over the decades, the movement

-has offered various experiences...

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-..to young people in rural Wales.

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-Meinir joined in the celebrations.

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-As part of Welsh Young Farmers

-Clubs' celebrations...

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-..the chairman is travelling

-by tractor to all the counties.

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-Today, it's Carmarthenshire's turn

-to host the event.

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-It's starting from the home

-of the County President...

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-..Tyllwyd Farm, Felingwm Uchaf,

-Carmarthenshire.

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-I've been involved with the

-Young Farmers for almost 80 years!

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-It's an honour to have

-the whole day here...

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-..raising money for the national

-movement on a Wales level...

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-..and also for Carmarthenshire.

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-My term as President

-ends in two months.

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-It is an honour, believe me.

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-Vicky Hope has been the Chairman

-during the last year.

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-She has enjoyed travelling

-all over Wales...

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-..going from county to county

-in her new tractor.

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-How's the journey going?

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-How's the journey going?

-

-It's a very bumpy journey.

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-It's nice to look around places

-that I might not otherwise go.

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-How many miles have you done?

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-With all the tractor runs so far,

-it has been over 300 miles.

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-It has been a fantastic year.

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-I've had so many experiences.

-I've thoroughly enjoyed it.

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-Eurios Thomas,

-the county organizer...

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-..is key to the Young Farmers

-in Carmarthenshire.

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-With the movement across Wales

-celebrating 80 years...

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-..Eurios has been in her job

-for about half that time.

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-How has she seen the movement

-changing over the years?

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-We still hold the same competitions

-- stock judging and so on.

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-And they're still as popular,

-if not more popular these days.

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-It has kept going and developing.

0:20:270:20:30

-If people want to take part...

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-..the opportunity is there.

0:20:340:20:36

-There's something for everyone,

-from the countryside or the town.

0:20:370:20:41

-What is the main challenge

-facing the movement?

0:20:410:20:45

-Finding money

-to finance the movement...

0:20:450:20:48

-..on a national Wales level,

-and on a county basis.

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-I'm afraid that's the problem

-facing them in the near future.

0:20:530:20:59

-Arwel Jones will take over as

-the Chairman of Wales before long.

0:20:590:21:04

-The movement lost 40,000 last year,

-so what future does he foresee?

0:21:040:21:10

-There's a glowing future.

0:21:110:21:13

-The movement is at the heart

-of rural Wales...

0:21:130:21:16

-..and brings people

-of all ages together.

0:21:160:21:20

-It's important for the members

-to learn countryside skills.

0:21:200:21:24

-They are the next leaders

-of the rural communities...

0:21:250:21:30

-..and county councils, and I hope

-one or two will be in the Assembly.

0:21:310:21:35

-You lost funding last year.

-How did you cope?

0:21:360:21:38

-It was very hard

-for the officers preceding me.

0:21:390:21:43

-We've restructured

-and we've had to tighten our belt.

0:21:430:21:48

-It's important

-that we look to the future.

0:21:490:21:51

-We're looking into developing

-the youth village...

0:21:510:21:54

-..and also developing other events

-that could bring in profit.

0:21:550:21:59

-After travelling over 20 miles

-around Carmarthenshire...

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-..the fun was obvious to see

-on everybody's faces.

0:22:110:22:14

-So far so good. 30 tractors have

-turned up. It's important to us.

0:22:140:22:19

-It's been a special day, seeing

-the scenery in Carmarthenshire.

0:22:210:22:26

-I don't know where we've been!

0:22:260:22:28

-It went well.

-We didn't have much trouble.

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-It was a bit tight in some places,

-but it was a good day.

0:22:320:22:36

-It was a bit challenging going

-through a river and up mountains...

0:22:380:22:42

-..but it was a nice variety.

0:22:420:22:45

-It has been superb. It's good

-to see different members here.

0:22:460:22:50

-Most of the people here today

-don't compete in the Eisteddfod...

0:22:500:22:55

-..but it's good

-that we get them together too.

0:22:560:23:00

-It's important to raise awareness

-of the movement.

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-The movement is 80 years old and

-has gone from strength to strength.

0:23:050:23:10

-We're seeing

-a lot more young people joining.

0:23:100:23:13

-That's it for another week.

0:23:130:23:15

-There's a feeling...

0:23:160:23:18

-..that the decision of the Welsh

-Government in three weeks...

0:23:180:23:22

-..will be critical to the future

-of our cattle farmers in Wales.

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-From me here in Cardiff,

-and everyone at Ffermio...

0:23:280:23:31

-..thank you for your company

-and goodbye to you all.

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Bydd Alun yn y Senedd ym Mae Caerdydd yn clywed y diweddaraf am yr afiechyd y diciau. Alun will be at the Senedd in Cardiff Bay hearing more about bovine TB.


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