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-It isn't hard to understand -why the beauty of our world... | 0:00:31 | 0:00:35 | |
-..makes some people -feel closer to God. | 0:00:35 | 0:00:39 | |
-But it's harder to understand -why some people feel that... | 0:00:41 | 0:00:46 | |
-..venturing down -to the dark depths of the earth. | 0:00:46 | 0:00:51 | |
-Today, I go on a journey to try to -understand why places underground... | 0:00:52 | 0:00:58 | |
-..have been so important -in our spiritual history. | 0:00:58 | 0:01:03 | |
-Wow. | 0:01:07 | 0:01:08 | |
-The first place I visit -is in Derbyshire, England. | 0:01:16 | 0:01:21 | |
-This is Lud's Church, a natural -chasm that has a unique atmosphere. | 0:01:22 | 0:01:27 | |
-It has a unique ecology too. Many of -the plants and ferns are very rare. | 0:01:27 | 0:01:32 | |
-It's a place on the periphery -in more than one way. | 0:01:33 | 0:01:38 | |
-As you descend, -the temperature drops a few degrees. | 0:01:38 | 0:01:43 | |
-You feel as if the mossy -walls are closing in on you. | 0:01:43 | 0:01:47 | |
-It has an otherworldly atmosphere -that scares some people... | 0:01:47 | 0:01:52 | |
-..and attracts others. | 0:01:53 | 0:01:55 | |
-Is it a place for spirits... | 0:01:55 | 0:01:57 | |
-..or is it a spiritual place? | 0:01:57 | 0:01:59 | |
-Lud's Church has -a very long history. | 0:02:05 | 0:02:07 | |
-Some believe it was used -as a holy place by early pagans. | 0:02:08 | 0:02:12 | |
-Others believe this was -the terrifying Green Chapel... | 0:02:13 | 0:02:17 | |
-..in the Mediaeval -fable of Sir Gawain... | 0:02:18 | 0:02:21 | |
-..a place for the Devil -to say his prayers. | 0:02:21 | 0:02:24 | |
-In the 15th century, Lollards, -early religious dissenters... | 0:02:26 | 0:02:31 | |
-..hid here too... | 0:02:32 | 0:02:34 | |
-..fleeing from persecution -by the king's soldiers. | 0:02:34 | 0:02:38 | |
-With labyrinthine corridors -going in every direction... | 0:02:39 | 0:02:43 | |
-..Lud's Church feels like -a building designed by Nature. | 0:02:44 | 0:02:48 | |
-It's a marvel. | 0:02:48 | 0:02:50 | |
-It has been a place of retreat -and of secret worship. | 0:02:50 | 0:02:54 | |
-So it's a perfect place to start a -journey to find out what happens... | 0:02:54 | 0:02:59 | |
-..when holy places -are located underground. | 0:02:59 | 0:03:03 | |
-The earliest evidence of our -ancestors was found in caves... | 0:03:04 | 0:03:10 | |
-..so it's no wonder that early -spiritual rites took place in caves. | 0:03:10 | 0:03:16 | |
-There is a similar site -near Llandudno... | 0:03:19 | 0:03:22 | |
-..a cave in the heart of the -Great Orme, where I'm going next. | 0:03:22 | 0:03:28 | |
-There is clear evidence -that people used this site... | 0:03:31 | 0:03:36 | |
-..over 14,000 years ago. | 0:03:36 | 0:03:38 | |
-It's one of the oldest -holy sites in Britain. | 0:03:39 | 0:03:44 | |
-The view today is just as striking -as it was 14,000 years ago... | 0:03:44 | 0:03:51 | |
-..when people first settled here. | 0:03:51 | 0:03:53 | |
-It was in the Ice Age, -so the sea was further away. | 0:03:55 | 0:03:59 | |
-It was an ideal place for people -who depended on hunting. | 0:03:59 | 0:04:04 | |
-They could see the animals -they wanted to hunt... | 0:04:04 | 0:04:08 | |
-..on the plains around this place. | 0:04:09 | 0:04:11 | |
-The cave was rediscovered over -a century ago by Thomas Kendrick. | 0:04:13 | 0:04:19 | |
-The first thing that strikes us... | 0:04:20 | 0:04:22 | |
-..is that it doesn't -look like a cave at all. | 0:04:23 | 0:04:27 | |
-That was because Thomas Kendrick -wanted to attract tourists. | 0:04:27 | 0:04:33 | |
-So he built this summer house -in front of the cave mouth... | 0:04:34 | 0:04:39 | |
-..so his visitors could enjoy a -cup of tea while admiring the view. | 0:04:39 | 0:04:45 | |
-Its heyday as a tourist -attraction is long over. | 0:04:46 | 0:04:51 | |
-But the spiritual significance -of the cave is still the same. | 0:04:51 | 0:04:56 | |
-As Kendrick ventured -deeper into the caves... | 0:05:03 | 0:05:07 | |
-..he found an unexpected treasure. | 0:05:07 | 0:05:09 | |
-Bones, seemingly -of no value at first. | 0:05:11 | 0:05:15 | |
-Wow. | 0:05:16 | 0:05:17 | |
-But after scientific tests... | 0:05:18 | 0:05:21 | |
-..it was discovered they were -the remains of three Ice Age people. | 0:05:21 | 0:05:27 | |
-They seem to have been buried here -as part of a religious ceremony. | 0:05:27 | 0:05:32 | |
-This isn't the earliest cave -containing traces of a funeral. | 0:05:35 | 0:05:39 | |
-That honour goes to Paviland Cave -on the Gower Peninsula... | 0:05:39 | 0:05:44 | |
-..dating back over 30,000 years. | 0:05:44 | 0:05:47 | |
-But this place is remarkable... | 0:05:47 | 0:05:49 | |
-..because, amongst the human bones, -they discovered jewellery... | 0:05:49 | 0:05:54 | |
-..and one unique artefact, which is -in the British Museum, London, now. | 0:05:54 | 0:06:00 | |
-It's one of the earliest -examples of art found in Britain. | 0:06:00 | 0:06:05 | |
-There's a copy -of it in the local museum. | 0:06:07 | 0:06:11 | |
-Here it is... | 0:06:15 | 0:06:17 | |
-..the engraved jaw bone of a horse. | 0:06:17 | 0:06:19 | |
-Ice Age horses were smaller -than horses now, evidently. | 0:06:20 | 0:06:25 | |
-On the bone, we see a pattern -of chevrons, carefully incised... | 0:06:26 | 0:06:32 | |
-..probably with flint. | 0:06:33 | 0:06:35 | |
-We don't know if this was -worn as a kind of necklace... | 0:06:36 | 0:06:42 | |
-..or if it was a religious symbol. | 0:06:43 | 0:06:46 | |
-We don't know if it was -made here in Wales... | 0:06:46 | 0:06:50 | |
-..or carried by people -who moved here in the Ice Age. | 0:06:50 | 0:06:55 | |
-The only thing we know... | 0:06:55 | 0:06:57 | |
-..is that someone took a lot -of trouble to fashion it. | 0:06:57 | 0:07:02 | |
-The fact that it was discovered with -human bones in Kendrick's Cave... | 0:07:03 | 0:07:08 | |
-..is a strong indication -that it was left there... | 0:07:08 | 0:07:12 | |
-..as part of a burial rite. | 0:07:12 | 0:07:14 | |
-Seeing something like that, linking -us to our Ice Age ancestors... | 0:07:14 | 0:07:19 | |
-..was quite an experience. | 0:07:19 | 0:07:21 | |
-Now, I'm going to a place -with links to a much later time... | 0:07:22 | 0:07:27 | |
-..a cave in Northumberland... | 0:07:28 | 0:07:30 | |
-..and a story about -one of our early saints. | 0:07:31 | 0:07:35 | |
-In the Early Church, caves -were still used for burial rites... | 0:07:37 | 0:07:43 | |
-..like the Catacombs in Rome. | 0:07:44 | 0:07:46 | |
-But they could also be -a refuge for the faithful... | 0:07:48 | 0:07:53 | |
-..when attacked by their enemies. | 0:07:54 | 0:07:56 | |
-This isn't an easy place to find. | 0:07:59 | 0:08:01 | |
-But that's the point. | 0:08:01 | 0:08:03 | |
-In the ninth century, after Viking -raids on the Isle Of Lindisfarne... | 0:08:03 | 0:08:09 | |
-..the monks fled, six miles -inland, to this place. | 0:08:09 | 0:08:13 | |
-They brought their -greatest treasures... | 0:08:13 | 0:08:16 | |
-..including the body of their -most famous abbot, St Cuthbert. | 0:08:17 | 0:08:22 | |
-So this place became a refuge... | 0:08:22 | 0:08:24 | |
-..for someone who had died -almost two centuries before. | 0:08:24 | 0:08:28 | |
-It's a bleak place, although that -wouldn't have bothered St Cuthbert. | 0:08:28 | 0:08:33 | |
-The monks didn't stay here long. | 0:08:33 | 0:08:36 | |
-They travelled in Northern -England for seven years... | 0:08:36 | 0:08:40 | |
-..naming several places -after St Cuthbert... | 0:08:40 | 0:08:44 | |
-..before finally settling -in Chester-le-Street. | 0:08:44 | 0:08:47 | |
-I can understand that -this would be a perfect place... | 0:08:47 | 0:08:52 | |
-..to flee from the Vikings. | 0:08:52 | 0:08:54 | |
-But I can also see why the monks... | 0:08:54 | 0:08:57 | |
-..wouldn't want to stay -permanently in such a bleak place. | 0:08:57 | 0:09:02 | |
-St Cuthbert's Cave -was a temporary hiding place. | 0:09:02 | 0:09:06 | |
-But the next cave I visit was home -to a saint for most of his life. | 0:09:06 | 0:09:12 | |
-On a day like this, -who could blame him? | 0:09:14 | 0:09:18 | |
-I'm back in Wales, -on the South Pembrokeshire coast. | 0:09:18 | 0:09:23 | |
-St Govan's Chapel -in Pembrokeshire... | 0:09:24 | 0:09:27 | |
-..is the location for one -of the most dramatic stories... | 0:09:28 | 0:09:32 | |
-..about holy caves, although -perhaps not the most credible. | 0:09:32 | 0:09:37 | |
-The cliffs seem to have been split -to make room for the small chapel... | 0:09:37 | 0:09:42 | |
-..right at the bottom, -almost out of sight. | 0:09:42 | 0:09:46 | |
-You couldn't find -a better hiding place. | 0:09:46 | 0:09:50 | |
-In about 500 AD, St Govan -came here to live as a hermit. | 0:09:53 | 0:09:57 | |
-The cliffs were his home... | 0:09:59 | 0:10:01 | |
-..because the chapel wasn't -built until the 13th century. | 0:10:01 | 0:10:06 | |
-I've come to meet Dr Patrick Thomas, -St David's Cathedral Chancellor... | 0:10:07 | 0:10:13 | |
-..to learn more about St Govan. | 0:10:13 | 0:10:17 | |
-Govan came here -to escape from the world. | 0:10:18 | 0:10:23 | |
-He came to live a quiet, prayerful -life, in the presence of God. | 0:10:23 | 0:10:29 | |
-It was a marvellous place for that. | 0:10:29 | 0:10:31 | |
-Later, he saw that ships -were wrecked on rocks here. | 0:10:32 | 0:10:38 | |
-He did his best to help. | 0:10:38 | 0:10:41 | |
-But there was a problem... | 0:10:41 | 0:10:43 | |
-..because the local economy -depended on shipwrecks. | 0:10:43 | 0:10:50 | |
-The local Mafia didn't like the fact -that Govan spoiled things for them. | 0:10:50 | 0:10:56 | |
-So they came to get rid of him. | 0:10:57 | 0:11:00 | |
-Govan went to hide... | 0:11:01 | 0:11:05 | |
-..in a fissure in the cliff. | 0:11:06 | 0:11:08 | |
-Tradition says he prayed -and the rock closed around him. | 0:11:08 | 0:11:14 | |
-You can see the marks -of ribs on the rock... | 0:11:15 | 0:11:21 | |
-..as if a body had been there. | 0:11:21 | 0:11:24 | |
-Govan led an austere life -on these rocks. | 0:11:28 | 0:11:33 | |
-But he chose the place -for a specific reason. | 0:11:34 | 0:11:38 | |
-Especially for the Celtic saints... | 0:11:39 | 0:11:41 | |
-..the sound of water was important. | 0:11:41 | 0:11:44 | |
-They lived either -on river banks or by the sea. | 0:11:44 | 0:11:49 | |
-The fact that there -was a cave was important. | 0:11:49 | 0:11:54 | |
-It gave him shelter, -not only from his enemies... | 0:11:54 | 0:12:00 | |
-..but also when the weather -was very stormy. | 0:12:00 | 0:12:05 | |
-But caves are important -in the Christian tradition... | 0:12:07 | 0:12:11 | |
-..for other reasons too. | 0:12:11 | 0:12:13 | |
-In the east, tradition tends to say -that Jesus was born in a cave. | 0:12:13 | 0:12:20 | |
-And the grave where -Jesus was placed was a cave. | 0:12:21 | 0:12:26 | |
-So they're linked to the most -fundamental events, life and death. | 0:12:27 | 0:12:32 | |
-I think perhaps that's why -they've become so important... | 0:12:32 | 0:12:38 | |
-..especially in Christianity... | 0:12:38 | 0:12:42 | |
-..although it's also true -in other religions. | 0:12:42 | 0:12:46 | |
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-I'm on a journey to find out -why worshipping underground... | 0:13:05 | 0:13:09 | |
-..has been such an important -part of our spiritual history. | 0:13:09 | 0:13:13 | |
-I've come back to Derbyshire... | 0:13:15 | 0:13:17 | |
-..to look at one of the best -examples of a church in a cave. | 0:13:18 | 0:13:23 | |
-Here it is. | 0:13:25 | 0:13:26 | |
-It's the Anchor Church, Ingleby. | 0:13:26 | 0:13:29 | |
-Caves have been important -in several religions. | 0:13:32 | 0:13:36 | |
-Mohammed received the revelation... | 0:13:36 | 0:13:39 | |
-.. that became the basis -for the Koran in a cave. | 0:13:39 | 0:13:42 | |
-The Buddha also lived in a cave. | 0:13:43 | 0:13:46 | |
-For early Christians, as -we've seen, they offered refuge... | 0:13:46 | 0:13:51 | |
-..in times of oppression. | 0:13:51 | 0:13:53 | |
-As Christianity -became more acceptable... | 0:13:55 | 0:13:58 | |
-..people didn't have -to flee to caves any more. | 0:13:58 | 0:14:02 | |
-But some still chose -to do so, to find silence... | 0:14:02 | 0:14:06 | |
-..and peace from the secular world, -so they could meditate and pray. | 0:14:06 | 0:14:12 | |
-The name of this place, -the Anchor Church, reminds us... | 0:14:12 | 0:14:16 | |
-..that the first person to live -here was an anchorite, a hermit. | 0:14:16 | 0:14:21 | |
-Anchorite comes from the Greek word, -anachoreo, which means to withdraw. | 0:14:21 | 0:14:27 | |
-Christians began to retreat to -Ingleby in the 6th or 7th century. | 0:14:28 | 0:14:34 | |
-It became a very popular site. | 0:14:34 | 0:14:37 | |
-There are traces of several -small caves along the cliffs... | 0:14:37 | 0:14:42 | |
-..where people lived... | 0:14:42 | 0:14:44 | |
-..as well as the marks -of holes for candles... | 0:14:44 | 0:14:47 | |
-..indicating that many small -huts were built on the cliff. | 0:14:48 | 0:14:52 | |
-The first hermit we know -of here was St Hardulph. | 0:14:52 | 0:14:56 | |
-He was so renowned -for his saintliness and wisdom... | 0:14:56 | 0:15:00 | |
-..that people came to see him. | 0:15:01 | 0:15:03 | |
-Once, he saved -two nuns from drowning... | 0:15:03 | 0:15:07 | |
-..when their boat capsized. | 0:15:07 | 0:15:09 | |
-Looking at these cells, it seems -that people came here to stay. | 0:15:10 | 0:15:16 | |
-The point of being a hermit is to -retreat from the world and people. | 0:15:16 | 0:15:21 | |
-This was the opposite -of the original purpose. | 0:15:22 | 0:15:25 | |
-But as hermits came together -in places like this... | 0:15:25 | 0:15:29 | |
-..the first monasteries -were founded. | 0:15:30 | 0:15:33 | |
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-Even today, this is a remote place. | 0:15:47 | 0:15:49 | |
-It's easy to sense the tranquillity -that would appeal to a hermit... | 0:15:49 | 0:15:55 | |
-..centuries ago. | 0:15:55 | 0:15:56 | |
-But there's something -else about this place. | 0:15:56 | 0:16:00 | |
-When you step into this church... | 0:16:00 | 0:16:02 | |
-..it's as if you're being -drawn into the earth. | 0:16:03 | 0:16:07 | |
-Maybe that's the secret. | 0:16:07 | 0:16:10 | |
-Maybe the main appeal -of worshipping underground... | 0:16:11 | 0:16:16 | |
-..is the fact that you can -be surrounded by your faith... | 0:16:16 | 0:16:20 | |
-..and it can be redefined there. | 0:16:20 | 0:16:23 | |
-This is certainly true about one -woman, who lived here as a hermit. | 0:16:26 | 0:16:32 | |
-This is the church -of St Julian, Norwich. | 0:16:37 | 0:16:40 | |
-In 1373, a woman came here because -she had decided to live as a hermit. | 0:16:40 | 0:16:46 | |
-But she chose to do that -in a way that demanded... | 0:16:47 | 0:16:52 | |
-..an amazing level of dedication... | 0:16:52 | 0:16:54 | |
-..and faith almost beyond -anything we can imagine now. | 0:16:54 | 0:16:59 | |
-She was only thirty years old... | 0:17:00 | 0:17:02 | |
-..when she chose to be -immured in a small cell... | 0:17:02 | 0:17:07 | |
-..within the walls of this church, -for the rest of her life. | 0:17:07 | 0:17:11 | |
-Julian's original cell was destroyed -in the Protestant Reformation. | 0:17:20 | 0:17:25 | |
-But when they restored the church -after it was bombed in the war... | 0:17:25 | 0:17:31 | |
-..they found the mediaeval -foundations of the cell. | 0:17:31 | 0:17:36 | |
-So this chapel -was built on that site. | 0:17:36 | 0:17:41 | |
-Of course, it's much larger -and lighter than the original cell. | 0:17:42 | 0:17:47 | |
-But, like the original cell, -it faces south... | 0:17:48 | 0:17:52 | |
-..so Julian could enjoy -some of the warmth of the sun... | 0:17:52 | 0:17:57 | |
-..that she had vowed -never to see again. | 0:17:57 | 0:18:01 | |
-There were three windows, -or gaps, in the cell. | 0:18:01 | 0:18:06 | |
-One opened into the church... | 0:18:06 | 0:18:09 | |
-..so she could see the altar -and receive communion. | 0:18:09 | 0:18:13 | |
-Another opened here... | 0:18:13 | 0:18:15 | |
-..so a servant could -bring food and remove waste. | 0:18:15 | 0:18:20 | |
-The third window -looked out on the street... | 0:18:20 | 0:18:23 | |
-..so that visitors and pilgrims -could receive advice or a blessing. | 0:18:24 | 0:18:29 | |
-People in the Middle Ages... | 0:18:29 | 0:18:31 | |
-..found this extreme way of life -and worship just as interesting... | 0:18:31 | 0:18:36 | |
-..as we do. | 0:18:36 | 0:18:38 | |
-I've come to meet Sister Pamela... | 0:18:42 | 0:18:45 | |
-..who lives in the church convent... | 0:18:45 | 0:18:48 | |
-..to learn more about St Julian... | 0:18:48 | 0:18:50 | |
-..and how she started -her life as a hermit. | 0:18:50 | 0:18:54 | |
-She would have been led here... | 0:18:55 | 0:18:57 | |
-..from the Benedictine monastery -at Carrow, just outside the city. | 0:18:57 | 0:19:02 | |
-The bishop would -have conducted the service... | 0:19:02 | 0:19:05 | |
-..which would have been a requiem -mass - she was being buried. | 0:19:06 | 0:19:09 | |
-Not in a cave -or a hole in the ground... | 0:19:10 | 0:19:12 | |
-..but actually in a small cell. | 0:19:13 | 0:19:16 | |
-Possibly the brickie would be there -to actually brick her up... | 0:19:16 | 0:19:21 | |
-..after she'd been enclosed. | 0:19:21 | 0:19:24 | |
-Being an anchorite meant that she -was available then for everybody... | 0:19:24 | 0:19:28 | |
-..who passed her window. | 0:19:28 | 0:19:30 | |
-She was the equivalent -of today's counsellor. | 0:19:31 | 0:19:34 | |
-She was very ahead of her time with -lots of the things she was saying. | 0:19:34 | 0:19:38 | |
-Julian lived in her cell -for almost forty years... | 0:19:39 | 0:19:43 | |
-..praying and meditating. | 0:19:44 | 0:19:46 | |
-She also wrote about -her spiritual experiences... | 0:19:46 | 0:19:50 | |
-..which was very unusual -for women in the Middle Ages. | 0:19:50 | 0:19:54 | |
-She was the first woman we know of -to write a book in English. | 0:19:54 | 0:19:58 | |
-She was contemporary with Chaucer. | 0:19:58 | 0:20:01 | |
-The ultimate thing, as she said -at the end of her book... | 0:20:01 | 0:20:05 | |
-"..Fifteen years or more... | 0:20:06 | 0:20:08 | |
-"..God showed me in my inward being -what this was all about. | 0:20:08 | 0:20:13 | |
-"That love is His meaning. -Who showed it to you? Love. | 0:20:13 | 0:20:17 | |
-"What did He show you? Love. -Why did He show you? For love. | 0:20:17 | 0:20:20 | |
-"Hold on to this -and you need not know anything else. | 0:20:20 | 0:20:24 | |
-"Because love -is our Lord's meaning." | 0:20:24 | 0:20:27 | |
-The last step of my journey -takes me to Yorkshire, to Ripon. | 0:20:31 | 0:20:36 | |
-After the confines of Julian's cell, -the cathedral seems huge. | 0:20:38 | 0:20:44 | |
-Church architecture like this -appeals to us a great deal. | 0:20:49 | 0:20:54 | |
-Columns rising to the heights... | 0:20:54 | 0:20:57 | |
-..stained glass windows, -a feeling of space and light. | 0:20:57 | 0:21:01 | |
-For us, the idea of going -down to the depths of a crypt... | 0:21:01 | 0:21:06 | |
-..isn't very appealing. | 0:21:07 | 0:21:09 | |
-But for the first pilgrims to this -church, it was the main attraction. | 0:21:09 | 0:21:15 | |
-This building was built -in the 12th century. | 0:21:18 | 0:21:22 | |
-But St Wilfrid had built an earlier -church on the site in 672. | 0:21:23 | 0:21:30 | |
-Only the crypt remains -of that original building. | 0:21:32 | 0:21:36 | |
-But for people at that time, -visiting this place... | 0:21:36 | 0:21:40 | |
-..would have been -a unique experience. | 0:21:40 | 0:21:43 | |
-The pilgrims made their way -along that narrow corridor... | 0:21:44 | 0:21:48 | |
-..into this central chamber. | 0:21:48 | 0:21:50 | |
-At the time, like now, -it was lit by lamps... | 0:21:50 | 0:21:54 | |
-..placed in niches in the wall. | 0:21:55 | 0:21:58 | |
-Then they looked at this -large gap in the wall... | 0:21:58 | 0:22:04 | |
-..where a holy relic was placed. | 0:22:04 | 0:22:07 | |
-There was an almost theatrical -atmosphere to the experience. | 0:22:07 | 0:22:13 | |
-Without a doubt, this place was -built to create an impression. | 0:22:13 | 0:22:18 | |
-At the time, there was -no place like it in Britain. | 0:22:19 | 0:22:23 | |
-But the true reason why -the crypt was such an attraction... | 0:22:25 | 0:22:29 | |
-..was because it was -an evocation of another cave... | 0:22:29 | 0:22:33 | |
-..central to -the Christian tradition. | 0:22:34 | 0:22:38 | |
-The crypt's design is meant to -remind us of Jesus Christ's tomb... | 0:22:38 | 0:22:43 | |
-..where his body lay for three -days before the Resurrection. | 0:22:43 | 0:22:48 | |
-Perhaps some of the other caves -we've visited remind us... | 0:22:48 | 0:22:53 | |
-..of the security of the womb... | 0:22:54 | 0:22:56 | |
-..places to be safe, -or to be reborn in faith. | 0:22:56 | 0:23:00 | |
-With these two contrasting -images of birth and death... | 0:23:01 | 0:23:06 | |
-..caves represent the central -paradox of Christianity perfectly. | 0:23:06 | 0:23:12 | |
-How could Jesus, by dying... | 0:23:12 | 0:23:15 | |
-..enable us to be reborn? | 0:23:15 | 0:23:18 | |
-It's a very difficult -concept to understand. | 0:23:19 | 0:23:22 | |
-But maybe, in a place like this... | 0:23:22 | 0:23:25 | |
-..we can come a little -closer to understanding. | 0:23:25 | 0:23:30 | |
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