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-Tracing the family tree

-is an obsession for Welsh people.

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-We like to ask where do you come

-from, and to whom are you related.

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-In the National Library

-at Aberystwyth...

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-..the Perthyn team is investigating

-some of your stories.

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-They've found some colourful

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-Two months ago, we invited you

-to send us your family stories.

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-Since then, we've been inundated.

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-By delving into the archives...

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-..the Perthyn team

-has uncovered many a secret...

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-..and the occasional black sheep

-in your family trees.

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-This week, we're focusing

-on Ceri Griffiths's story...

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-..who hails from Carmarthenshire.

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-Ceri has been tracing

-the Scurlock family.

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-I've come to meet him

-to hear about his obsession.

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-You've lived in Cardiff

-for ten years...

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-..but you've travelled a great deal.

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-My father is to blame for that...

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-..he's a policeman.

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-We've lived all over South Wales.

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-From Haverfordwest to Cwmbran...

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-..and back to Rhydargaeau,

-outside Carmarthen.

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-That's where I spent

-most of my childhood.

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-Were you inspired

-to trace your family tree...

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-..as a result of living away

-from your family roots?

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-I had no interest as a child.

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-I never listened

-to my grandmother...

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-..who went on and on about

-having relatives here and there.

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-When I used to cycle past

-these farms as a child...

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-..I didn't realize

-my relatives used to live there.

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-But lately, I've been researching

-my family to find out more.

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-We have two daughters.

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-Mam-gu is no longer with us.

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-I regret not asking her

-more about it.

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-I hope I'll be able to find out more

-details to pass on to my daughters.

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-You've started your own research,

-but there are a few gaps.

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-It all stems from one story that

-Mam-gu told us about three girls...

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-..who were orphaned at a young age.

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-I want to know what became of them.

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-How far have you got?

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-By researching my side

-of the Scurlock family...

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-..I also discovered

-a wealthy branch of Scurlocks.

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-I want to find out if I'm related

-to this other Scurlock family...

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-..but I've hit a brick wall

-and can't go any further.

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-I hope you can help me find

-this connection.

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-And I'm sure you fancy making

-some money out of it!

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-Who knows!

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-Ceri often returns to

-the Carmarthen area...

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-..to try and fill in the blanks

-in his family tree.

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-The surname Scurlock is unusual, so

-it's been a help in his research.

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-It's an Irish name...

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-..from the Norman period.

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-The first record of Scurlocks

-in Carmarthen...

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-..dates back to the 16th century.

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-From what I've read

-about the wealthy Scurlocks...

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-..they were important people.

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-Jonathan Scurlock

-was the town's sheriff in the 1670s.

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-But Mary Scurlock

-is the most famous of them.

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-She married the poet and writer,

-Sir Richard Steele.

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-Their child married into

-Lady Diana Spencer's family.

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-It would be nice

-to be related to them...

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-..so that I had some kind of

-connection with the royal family.

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-The Perthyn team

-has a challenge ahead of them.

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-As well as a renowned poet...

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-..Mary Scurlock was famous

-among London's glitterati.

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-She's buried in the prestigious

-Poets' Corner in Westminster Abbey.

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-However, many of her noble family

-are buried here in Carmarthen.

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-The Scurlocks came to

-St Peter's Church in Carmarthen.

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-They apparently donated

-a lot of money...

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-..and many of them are buried here.

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-There's a memorial plaque

-to Sir Richard Steele...

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-..and Jonathan Scurlock,

-Mary's father.

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-They are listed here

-among Carmarthen's dignitaries.

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-I'd love to discover a link...

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-..between the two branches

-of the Scurlock family.

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-But I've failed to find a

-connection linking both families.

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-Ceri knows that his branch

-of the Scurlock family...

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-..came from Rhydargaeau

-near Carmarthen.

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-The place holds happy memories

-of his grandmother.

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-Although the name Scurlock can be

-traced to his father's side...

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-..the interest lies with Ceri

-and his mother.

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-It's only when members of your

-family start passing away...

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-..you realize that the family's

-history goes with them.

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-I think that's when Ceri...

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-..became interested

-in family history.

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-He wanted the information

-to pass on to his children.

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-Ceri would phone late at night

-and ask, "Who comes from here?

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-"Who was married to so-and-so?"

-In the end, he hit a brick wall.

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-He didn't know which way to turn

-and who to ask next.

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-William Henry

-doesn't look too happy.

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-He was surrounded by women,

-that's why.

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-Yes, I know how he feels!

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-Yes, I know how he feels!

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-Exactly.

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-Mam-gu always talked about

-the three sisters...

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-..who lived on Pentresite Farm.

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-One of them

-was my great-great-grandmother.

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-I don't know much about her

-or her two sisters...

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-..apart from the fact that they had

-lost their parents at a young age.

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-I was born a couple of miles

-up the road in Rhydargaeau.

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-I used to cycle all around here.

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-I'd cycle up the hill

-and back down again.

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-Mam-gu often mentioned the farms.

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-Llainffynnon, Waungaled

-and Pentresite.

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-It's a very different upbringing...

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-..from that of the wealthy Scurlocks

-in Carmarthen town.

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-When I started tracing

-the Scurlock family tree...

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-..Mam suggested I come to

-Horeb chapel...

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-..where many of the Scurlock family

-are buried.

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-I hoped I'd discover

-more information.

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-The first time I came,

-this gravestone was facing down.

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-But I can now see it's the grave of

-David Scurlock, the girls' father.

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-There are many more Scurlocks

-buried here. So, who are they?

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-How do they fit into the family?

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-Ceri's family farmed in Rhydargaeau

-in the parish of Llanllawddog...

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-..over 150 years ago.

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-His grandmother's story

-about the three sisters...

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-..was his inspiration.

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-Rachel, Hannah and Lettice,

-his great-great-grandmother...

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-..were the daughters

-of David and Mary...

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-..who were left orphaned.

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-Ceri wants to know what happened to

-them after they lost their parents.

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-Who came to look after them

-on the farm?

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-He's come to the National Library

-to find the answers.

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-If we look here

-at the Llanllawddog census...

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-..from 1871...

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-..you can see that David and Mary

-lived there with three girls.

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-Rachel and Ann...

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-..otherwise known as Hannah.

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-But if you look here, you'll notice

-another daughter, Eliza, who's 13.

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-Your great-great grandmother Lettice

-hadn't yet been born.

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-What's interesting is the fact

-that Eliza Scurlock is 13...

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-..and Rachel is five.

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-There's a bit of an age gap between

-the two, which got me thinking.

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-I searched for David and Mary's

-marriage certificate.

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-They married in 1865.

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-If you do the maths...

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-..you'll spot that Eliza

-is much too old.

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-So, she's an illegitimate child.

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-Oh, right.

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-The 1861 census

-confirms that Eliza...

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-..or Elizabeth,

-lived with her mother, Mary...

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-..and her grandfather, John Thomas,

-at Llainffynnon, Rhydargaeau.

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-Mary was unmarried at the time.

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-Within four years,

-she married David Scurlock.

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-Together they had three daughters.

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-But in 1875, both died from TB.

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-Eliza became a servant

-on a local farm...

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-..but the three sisters,

-all under 10 years old...

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-..were left orphaned

-at Pentresite Farm.

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-We've discovered what happened next.

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-We've found the census from 1881.

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-From this, we can tell

-that they still lived at Pentresite.

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-Hannah and Lettice...

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-..are still there.

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-Eliza and Rachel had left

-to work as servants on local farms.

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-It's interesting to see...

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-..that the head of the family

-was a female called Elizabeth Lewis.

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-She's noted as being a servant

-taking care of children.

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-So, she was the one

-looking after the children.

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-A man called Henry Evans

-who was 19...

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-..most probably looked after

-the farm...

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-..when the children were small

-to make sure it functioned.

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-It's hard to believe

-that those three girls...

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-..were thrust into that situation

-at such a young age.

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-It's a pity

-they had no family support.

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-There were other Scurlocks

-in the area.

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-If that happened to me and our

-daughters were left behind...

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-..I'd like to think that the family

-would rally around...

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-..and come to look after them

-and help them.

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-What did they do for money

-at Pentresite?

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-They must have continued

-to run the farm in some way.

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-Someone was paying Elizabeth Lewis

-to look after them.

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-We're not sure who.

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-To find out what happened next...

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-..let's move on to 1901.

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-Only Hannah lived on the farm.

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-Henry Evans

-was the head of the household.

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-He had married Hannah.

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-So, Hannah married Henry who looked

-after the farm when she was small.

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-They started a family

-and farmed Pentresite together.

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-I didn't expect that at all.

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-There were actually four sisters,

-not three.

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-Mam-gu hadn't mentioned her.

-Perhaps she didn't know.

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-Then, the parents died

-and none of the family came to help.

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-I find that a little strange.

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-Now I know this much, I still need

-one major question answered.

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-Is my branch of the Scurlock family

-related to the royal Scurlocks?

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-Ceri Griffiths

-is obsessed with his family tree.

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-He's trying to discover

-if his branch of Scurlocks...

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-..are related to

-the royal Scurlocks...

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-..who came from the same line

-as Princess Diana.

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-Ceri has traced his family

-back five generations...

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-..to David and Mary Scurlock

-of Pentresite Farm...

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-..who died,

-leaving four daughters behind.

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-But Perthyn has managed to go back

-another two generations...

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-..to John Scurlock

-of Rhydyrhaw Farm.

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-While trying to connect

-Ceri's Scurlocks...

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-..to the royal Scurlocks,

-Jason has found an important will...

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-..from 1803.

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-The will of Jane Scurlock,

-John Scurlock's sister-in-law.

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-Could there be further clues?

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-One part of the will

-makes interesting reading.

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-Right here, it says,

-"I give and bequeath...

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-"..to the trustees

-of the dissenting meeting house...

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-"..in Lammas Street, Carmarthen...

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-"..the sum of 10 in trust

-to be paid out by them...

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-"..towards the support

-of the dissenting interests...

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-"..of the independent persuasions

-at Abergwili...

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-"..or towards building

-a meeting house at Abergwili...

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-"..should that ever take place."

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-I have even more questions to ask

-about the family now...

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-..instead of answers.

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-I don't even know

-what a dissenting meeting house is.

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-Before 1689, religious worship

-in a chapel was illegal.

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-Religion was monopolized

-by the Church.

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-Nonconformists who rejected

-the Church were known as dissenters.

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-They were forced to worship

-in secret...

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-..in remote locations like Pant-teg

-in the parish of Abergwili.

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-This is one of Carmarthenshire's

-oldest chapels.

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-Under the nose of

-the Bishop of St David's Palace...

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-..worshippers jeopardized their

-lives by renouncing the Church.

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-But in 1689, the act of worshipping

-in a chapel was made legal.

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-The nonconformist tradition

-continues in Wales to this day.

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-The headmistress said, "Children,

-I want you to close your eyes...

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-"..for you to see..."

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-Ceri's relative, Jane Scurlock,

-was among the earliest worshippers.

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-She left a considerable amount of

-money to support the construction...

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-..of more chapels in Abergwili.

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-Ceri has been hearing more about

-the background from Dr Eryn White.

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-She may have new information

-about his family.

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-I've seen Jane Scurlock's will.

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-She left money for the construction

-of a chapel in Abergwili.

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-How common would that have been?

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-The nonconformists

-relied on wealthy members.

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-They didn't have the tithe

-like the Church did.

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-Some people did leave money

-in their wills.

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-It was often the wealthiest members

-who contributed.

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-It's interesting that it happened

-more than once in your family.

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-We came across a record

-of John Scurlock...

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-..in the historical tomes

-of the Welsh independent churches.

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-Back in 1746, John Scurlock provided

-the land for the construction of...

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-..Bwlchnewydd chapel

-in Carmarthenshire.

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-His contribution made it possible

-for the chapel to be built.

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-It was Jane Scurlock who funded the

-building of a chapel in Abergwili.

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-That was very risky for her...

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-..because the Bishop of St David's

-Palace was located there.

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-It was built

-right under the bishop's nose.

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-Some of your family members

-belonged to that pioneering age...

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-..before nonconformity

-became fashionable.

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-They were already forging ahead.

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-They were already forging ahead.

-

-In memory of me.

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-Ceri has been shocked

-by his family's contribution...

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-..to the rise

-of Carmarthen's chapels.

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-He still hopes to find a connection

-linking him to the royal Scurlocks.

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-The team has been trawling through

-the archives...

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-..to try and find the missing link

-between the two families.

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-The Scurlocks' family tree has

-caused problems for many historians.

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-Perthyn is still trying to find out

-if Ceri is of royal descent.

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-Back in Pant-teg, Eryn might have

-more information for him.

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-It appears that my branch of the

-Scurlock family were chapel-goers.

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-But what about the wealthy Scurlocks

-from Carmarthen?

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-There are two sides here.

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-Carmarthen was an interesting town

-at the time.

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-It was important for commerce.

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-It was known

-as the London of Wales...

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-..because it held so many dances

-and horse races...

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-..for the nobility who lived there.

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-It was also an important town

-for the Church.

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-Until 1828,

-in order to hold a public post...

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-..a person had to be a churchman.

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-You couldn't hold a government post

-if you were a nonconformist...

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-..and neither could you hold

-a public role.

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-There might have been an element

-of conflict in the family...

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-..if some of them

-became nonconformists.

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-It's possible that something

-similar happened to the Scurlocks.

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-One branch might have continued to

-be a respectable clan in Carmarthen.

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-The others might have been rebels

-and joined the nonconformists.

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-It's possible they lost contact

-over the years.

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-What Eryn said made sense.

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-Our family could have broken away

-from the wealthy family...

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-..and became two separate

-branches of the same family.

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-But I'm still troubled

-by one question.

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-Hello, Ceri.

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-Arwel Jones from the Perthyn team

-has asked me to meet him.

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-I have no idea what to expect.

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-I'm sure you're expecting an answer.

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-I know that searching for ties

-with the Scurlock family...

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-..has been driving you mad.

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-It's the one thing you need

-to find out about your family.

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-Family history

-can be a very exciting thing.

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-It can also be

-an enriching experience.

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-Tracing your family tree can also

-be a frustrating experience...

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-..because, sometimes,

-the trail goes cold.

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-Unfortunately, in this case...

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-..we've failed to establish

-a connection...

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-..between your branch

-and the royal branch.

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-It doesn't mean that the experts

-don't believe there's truth in it.

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-It's most likely

-that a connection exists...

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-..between two families

-with such an unusual name.

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-But if you asked me for evidence

-to prove the connection...

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-..I'm afraid

-I'd have to disappoint you.

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-The Perthyn team only traced Ceri's

-family back to the 18th century.

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-The trail comes to an end with David

-Scurlock, Machelws Farm, Abergwili.

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-The connection between the two

-Scurlock families remains a mystery.

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-But the research has revealed

-another member of the family.

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-Perthyn has found a descendent of

-the Scurlock sisters at Pentresite.

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-It's a surprise for Ceri.

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-He has no idea who he's meeting.

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-Hello. How are you?

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-You don't know me

-but I'm the grandson of Hannah...

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-..the second of the three sisters.

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-My grandfather

-was the first bailiff on the farm...

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-..who married the second sister.

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-Oh, now I know who you are!

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-I didn't think there were any more

-family members left.

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-I didn't know

-there was still family in the area.

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-From what I've read

-and from what I've heard...

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-..the three sisters were orphaned...

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-..because their mother had died.

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-The mother's brother had come

-down from Porth in the Rhondda...

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-..to make arrangements for them.

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-He bought Pentresite

-for the three girls...

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-..so that they had a home.

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-Thomas Thomas...

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-..was a wealthy man.

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-He had shops in Porth and Ystrad

-in the Rhondda.

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-He provided great support to them.

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-Because there was no-one

-to care for them...

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-..a 19-year-old bailiff was

-appointed to look after the farm.

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-He then found an experienced woman

-to bring up the girls.

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-That's my grandmother, Hannah Evans.

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-And that's my grandfather

-with the plough.

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-Thomas Thomas

-paid for the farm outright.

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-Later,

-in seven or eight years' time...

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-..my grandfather bought the farm

-from Thomas Thomas.

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-Do you know where Rachel went?

-She left Pentresite.

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-Yes, Rachel went to a farm called

-Llainffynnon next door.

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-The third sister...

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-..went to live on a farm

-in Llanllawddog.

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-So, the family lived

-in close proximity to one another.

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-The story begins with the three

-sisters being left orphaned.

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-It's nice to discover that

-everything turned out well...

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-..because of this uncle

-from the Rhondda...

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-..who hired the housemaid

-and bailiff to care for them.

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-The geese were kept there.

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-But David, the grandson

-of Hannah and Henry...

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-..knew nothing about

-the fourth sister.

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-Mam-gu never mentioned her either.

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-But I'm sure she'd be happy to know

-that the family had helped them...

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-..and that everything

-worked out well in the end.

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Mae Ceri Griffiths am wybod a oes gwaed brenhinol yn ei deulu. Pa sypreis fydd gan y tim iddo? Ceri Griffiths wants to know if there is Royal blood in his family. What will Perthyn reveal?


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