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-Tracing the family tree
-is an obsession for Welsh people.
-We like to ask where do you come
-from, and to whom are you related.
-In the National Library
-..the Perthyn team is investigating
-some of your stories.
-They've found some colourful
-characters. Welcome to Perthyn.
-Two months ago, we invited you
-to send us your family stories.
-Since then, we've been inundated.
-By delving into the archives...
-..the Perthyn team
-has uncovered many a secret...
-..and the occasional black sheep
-in your family trees.
-This week, we're focusing
-on Ceri Griffiths's story...
-..who hails from Carmarthenshire.
-Ceri has been tracing
-the Scurlock family.
-I've come to meet him
-to hear about his obsession.
-You've lived in Cardiff
-for ten years...
-..but you've travelled a great deal.
-My father is to blame for that...
-..he's a policeman.
-We've lived all over South Wales.
-From Haverfordwest to Cwmbran...
-..and back to Rhydargaeau,
-That's where I spent
-most of my childhood.
-Were you inspired
-to trace your family tree...
-..as a result of living away
-from your family roots?
-I had no interest as a child.
-I never listened
-to my grandmother...
-..who went on and on about
-having relatives here and there.
-When I used to cycle past
-these farms as a child...
-..I didn't realize
-my relatives used to live there.
-But lately, I've been researching
-my family to find out more.
-We have two daughters.
-Mam-gu is no longer with us.
-I regret not asking her
-more about it.
-I hope I'll be able to find out more
-details to pass on to my daughters.
-You've started your own research,
-but there are a few gaps.
-It all stems from one story that
-Mam-gu told us about three girls...
-..who were orphaned at a young age.
-I want to know what became of them.
-How far have you got?
-By researching my side
-of the Scurlock family...
-..I also discovered
-a wealthy branch of Scurlocks.
-I want to find out if I'm related
-to this other Scurlock family...
-..but I've hit a brick wall
-and can't go any further.
-I hope you can help me find
-And I'm sure you fancy making
-some money out of it!
-Ceri often returns to
-the Carmarthen area...
-..to try and fill in the blanks
-in his family tree.
-The surname Scurlock is unusual, so
-it's been a help in his research.
-It's an Irish name...
-..from the Norman period.
-The first record of Scurlocks
-..dates back to the 16th century.
-From what I've read
-about the wealthy Scurlocks...
-..they were important people.
-was the town's sheriff in the 1670s.
-But Mary Scurlock
-is the most famous of them.
-She married the poet and writer,
-Sir Richard Steele.
-Their child married into
-Lady Diana Spencer's family.
-It would be nice
-to be related to them...
-..so that I had some kind of
-connection with the royal family.
-The Perthyn team
-has a challenge ahead of them.
-As well as a renowned poet...
-..Mary Scurlock was famous
-among London's glitterati.
-She's buried in the prestigious
-Poets' Corner in Westminster Abbey.
-However, many of her noble family
-are buried here in Carmarthen.
-The Scurlocks came to
-St Peter's Church in Carmarthen.
-They apparently donated
-a lot of money...
-..and many of them are buried here.
-There's a memorial plaque
-to Sir Richard Steele...
-..and Jonathan Scurlock,
-They are listed here
-among Carmarthen's dignitaries.
-I'd love to discover a link...
-..between the two branches
-of the Scurlock family.
-But I've failed to find a
-connection linking both families.
-Ceri knows that his branch
-of the Scurlock family...
-..came from Rhydargaeau
-The place holds happy memories
-of his grandmother.
-Although the name Scurlock can be
-traced to his father's side...
-..the interest lies with Ceri
-and his mother.
-It's only when members of your
-family start passing away...
-..you realize that the family's
-history goes with them.
-I think that's when Ceri...
-in family history.
-He wanted the information
-to pass on to his children.
-Ceri would phone late at night
-and ask, "Who comes from here?
-"Who was married to so-and-so?"
-In the end, he hit a brick wall.
-He didn't know which way to turn
-and who to ask next.
-doesn't look too happy.
-He was surrounded by women,
-Yes, I know how he feels!
-Yes, I know how he feels!
-Mam-gu always talked about
-the three sisters...
-..who lived on Pentresite Farm.
-One of them
-was my great-great-grandmother.
-I don't know much about her
-or her two sisters...
-..apart from the fact that they had
-lost their parents at a young age.
-I was born a couple of miles
-up the road in Rhydargaeau.
-I used to cycle all around here.
-I'd cycle up the hill
-and back down again.
-Mam-gu often mentioned the farms.
-It's a very different upbringing...
-..from that of the wealthy Scurlocks
-in Carmarthen town.
-When I started tracing
-the Scurlock family tree...
-..Mam suggested I come to
-..where many of the Scurlock family
-I hoped I'd discover
-The first time I came,
-this gravestone was facing down.
-But I can now see it's the grave of
-David Scurlock, the girls' father.
-There are many more Scurlocks
-buried here. So, who are they?
-How do they fit into the family?
-Ceri's family farmed in Rhydargaeau
-in the parish of Llanllawddog...
-..over 150 years ago.
-His grandmother's story
-about the three sisters...
-..was his inspiration.
-Rachel, Hannah and Lettice,
-..were the daughters
-of David and Mary...
-..who were left orphaned.
-Ceri wants to know what happened to
-them after they lost their parents.
-Who came to look after them
-on the farm?
-He's come to the National Library
-to find the answers.
-If we look here
-at the Llanllawddog census...
-..you can see that David and Mary
-lived there with three girls.
-Rachel and Ann...
-..otherwise known as Hannah.
-But if you look here, you'll notice
-another daughter, Eliza, who's 13.
-Your great-great grandmother Lettice
-hadn't yet been born.
-What's interesting is the fact
-that Eliza Scurlock is 13...
-..and Rachel is five.
-There's a bit of an age gap between
-the two, which got me thinking.
-I searched for David and Mary's
-They married in 1865.
-If you do the maths...
-..you'll spot that Eliza
-is much too old.
-So, she's an illegitimate child.
-The 1861 census
-confirms that Eliza...
-lived with her mother, Mary...
-..and her grandfather, John Thomas,
-at Llainffynnon, Rhydargaeau.
-Mary was unmarried at the time.
-Within four years,
-she married David Scurlock.
-Together they had three daughters.
-But in 1875, both died from TB.
-Eliza became a servant
-on a local farm...
-..but the three sisters,
-all under 10 years old...
-..were left orphaned
-at Pentresite Farm.
-We've discovered what happened next.
-We've found the census from 1881.
-From this, we can tell
-that they still lived at Pentresite.
-Hannah and Lettice...
-..are still there.
-Eliza and Rachel had left
-to work as servants on local farms.
-It's interesting to see...
-..that the head of the family
-was a female called Elizabeth Lewis.
-She's noted as being a servant
-taking care of children.
-So, she was the one
-looking after the children.
-A man called Henry Evans
-who was 19...
-..most probably looked after
-..when the children were small
-to make sure it functioned.
-It's hard to believe
-that those three girls...
-..were thrust into that situation
-at such a young age.
-It's a pity
-they had no family support.
-There were other Scurlocks
-in the area.
-If that happened to me and our
-daughters were left behind...
-..I'd like to think that the family
-would rally around...
-..and come to look after them
-and help them.
-What did they do for money
-They must have continued
-to run the farm in some way.
-Someone was paying Elizabeth Lewis
-to look after them.
-We're not sure who.
-To find out what happened next...
-..let's move on to 1901.
-Only Hannah lived on the farm.
-was the head of the household.
-He had married Hannah.
-So, Hannah married Henry who looked
-after the farm when she was small.
-They started a family
-and farmed Pentresite together.
-I didn't expect that at all.
-There were actually four sisters,
-Mam-gu hadn't mentioned her.
-Perhaps she didn't know.
-Then, the parents died
-and none of the family came to help.
-I find that a little strange.
-Now I know this much, I still need
-one major question answered.
-Is my branch of the Scurlock family
-related to the royal Scurlocks?
-is obsessed with his family tree.
-He's trying to discover
-if his branch of Scurlocks...
-..are related to
-the royal Scurlocks...
-..who came from the same line
-as Princess Diana.
-Ceri has traced his family
-back five generations...
-..to David and Mary Scurlock
-of Pentresite Farm...
-leaving four daughters behind.
-But Perthyn has managed to go back
-another two generations...
-..to John Scurlock
-of Rhydyrhaw Farm.
-While trying to connect
-..to the royal Scurlocks,
-Jason has found an important will...
-The will of Jane Scurlock,
-John Scurlock's sister-in-law.
-Could there be further clues?
-One part of the will
-makes interesting reading.
-Right here, it says,
-"I give and bequeath...
-"..to the trustees
-of the dissenting meeting house...
-"..in Lammas Street, Carmarthen...
-"..the sum of 10 in trust
-to be paid out by them...
-"..towards the support
-of the dissenting interests...
-"..of the independent persuasions
-"..or towards building
-a meeting house at Abergwili...
-"..should that ever take place."
-I have even more questions to ask
-about the family now...
-..instead of answers.
-I don't even know
-what a dissenting meeting house is.
-Before 1689, religious worship
-in a chapel was illegal.
-Religion was monopolized
-by the Church.
-Nonconformists who rejected
-the Church were known as dissenters.
-They were forced to worship
-..in remote locations like Pant-teg
-in the parish of Abergwili.
-This is one of Carmarthenshire's
-Under the nose of
-the Bishop of St David's Palace...
-..worshippers jeopardized their
-lives by renouncing the Church.
-But in 1689, the act of worshipping
-in a chapel was made legal.
-The nonconformist tradition
-continues in Wales to this day.
-The headmistress said, "Children,
-I want you to close your eyes...
-"..for you to see..."
-Ceri's relative, Jane Scurlock,
-was among the earliest worshippers.
-She left a considerable amount of
-money to support the construction...
-..of more chapels in Abergwili.
-Ceri has been hearing more about
-the background from Dr Eryn White.
-She may have new information
-about his family.
-I've seen Jane Scurlock's will.
-She left money for the construction
-of a chapel in Abergwili.
-How common would that have been?
-relied on wealthy members.
-They didn't have the tithe
-like the Church did.
-Some people did leave money
-in their wills.
-It was often the wealthiest members
-It's interesting that it happened
-more than once in your family.
-We came across a record
-of John Scurlock...
-..in the historical tomes
-of the Welsh independent churches.
-Back in 1746, John Scurlock provided
-the land for the construction of...
-His contribution made it possible
-for the chapel to be built.
-It was Jane Scurlock who funded the
-building of a chapel in Abergwili.
-That was very risky for her...
-..because the Bishop of St David's
-Palace was located there.
-It was built
-right under the bishop's nose.
-Some of your family members
-belonged to that pioneering age...
-They were already forging ahead.
-They were already forging ahead.
-In memory of me.
-Ceri has been shocked
-by his family's contribution...
-..to the rise
-of Carmarthen's chapels.
-He still hopes to find a connection
-linking him to the royal Scurlocks.
-The team has been trawling through
-..to try and find the missing link
-between the two families.
-The Scurlocks' family tree has
-caused problems for many historians.
-Perthyn is still trying to find out
-if Ceri is of royal descent.
-Back in Pant-teg, Eryn might have
-more information for him.
-It appears that my branch of the
-Scurlock family were chapel-goers.
-But what about the wealthy Scurlocks
-There are two sides here.
-Carmarthen was an interesting town
-at the time.
-It was important for commerce.
-It was known
-as the London of Wales...
-..because it held so many dances
-and horse races...
-..for the nobility who lived there.
-It was also an important town
-for the Church.
-in order to hold a public post...
-..a person had to be a churchman.
-You couldn't hold a government post
-if you were a nonconformist...
-..and neither could you hold
-a public role.
-There might have been an element
-of conflict in the family...
-..if some of them
-It's possible that something
-similar happened to the Scurlocks.
-One branch might have continued to
-be a respectable clan in Carmarthen.
-The others might have been rebels
-and joined the nonconformists.
-It's possible they lost contact
-over the years.
-What Eryn said made sense.
-Our family could have broken away
-from the wealthy family...
-..and became two separate
-branches of the same family.
-But I'm still troubled
-by one question.
-Arwel Jones from the Perthyn team
-has asked me to meet him.
-I have no idea what to expect.
-I'm sure you're expecting an answer.
-I know that searching for ties
-with the Scurlock family...
-..has been driving you mad.
-It's the one thing you need
-to find out about your family.
-can be a very exciting thing.
-It can also be
-an enriching experience.
-Tracing your family tree can also
-be a frustrating experience...
-the trail goes cold.
-Unfortunately, in this case...
-..we've failed to establish
-..between your branch
-and the royal branch.
-It doesn't mean that the experts
-don't believe there's truth in it.
-It's most likely
-that a connection exists...
-..between two families
-with such an unusual name.
-But if you asked me for evidence
-to prove the connection...
-I'd have to disappoint you.
-The Perthyn team only traced Ceri's
-family back to the 18th century.
-The trail comes to an end with David
-Scurlock, Machelws Farm, Abergwili.
-The connection between the two
-Scurlock families remains a mystery.
-But the research has revealed
-another member of the family.
-Perthyn has found a descendent of
-the Scurlock sisters at Pentresite.
-It's a surprise for Ceri.
-He has no idea who he's meeting.
-Hello. How are you?
-You don't know me
-but I'm the grandson of Hannah...
-..the second of the three sisters.
-was the first bailiff on the farm...
-..who married the second sister.
-Oh, now I know who you are!
-I didn't think there were any more
-family members left.
-I didn't know
-there was still family in the area.
-From what I've read
-and from what I've heard...
-..the three sisters were orphaned...
-..because their mother had died.
-The mother's brother had come
-down from Porth in the Rhondda...
-..to make arrangements for them.
-He bought Pentresite
-for the three girls...
-..so that they had a home.
-..was a wealthy man.
-He had shops in Porth and Ystrad
-in the Rhondda.
-He provided great support to them.
-Because there was no-one
-to care for them...
-..a 19-year-old bailiff was
-appointed to look after the farm.
-He then found an experienced woman
-to bring up the girls.
-That's my grandmother, Hannah Evans.
-And that's my grandfather
-with the plough.
-paid for the farm outright.
-in seven or eight years' time...
-..my grandfather bought the farm
-from Thomas Thomas.
-Do you know where Rachel went?
-She left Pentresite.
-Yes, Rachel went to a farm called
-Llainffynnon next door.
-The third sister...
-..went to live on a farm
-So, the family lived
-in close proximity to one another.
-The story begins with the three
-sisters being left orphaned.
-It's nice to discover that
-everything turned out well...
-..because of this uncle
-from the Rhondda...
-..who hired the housemaid
-and bailiff to care for them.
-The geese were kept there.
-But David, the grandson
-of Hannah and Henry...
-..knew nothing about
-the fourth sister.
-Mam-gu never mentioned her either.
-But I'm sure she'd be happy to know
-that the family had helped them...
-..and that everything
-worked out well in the end.
-S4C Subtitles by Adnod Cyf.
Mae Ceri Griffiths am wybod a oes gwaed brenhinol yn ei deulu. Pa sypreis fydd gan y tim iddo? Ceri Griffiths wants to know if there is Royal blood in his family. What will Perthyn reveal?