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-Tracing the family tree -is an obsession for Welsh people. | 0:00:00 | 0:00:05 | |
-We like to ask where do you come -from, and to whom are you related. | 0:00:05 | 0:00:09 | |
-In the National Library -at Aberystwyth... | 0:00:09 | 0:00:12 | |
-..the Perthyn team is investigating -some of your stories. | 0:00:12 | 0:00:16 | |
-They've found some colourful -characters. Welcome to Perthyn. | 0:00:16 | 0:00:20 | |
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-Two months ago, we invited you -to send us your family stories. | 0:00:46 | 0:00:50 | |
-Since then, we've been inundated. | 0:00:50 | 0:00:53 | |
-By delving into the archives... | 0:00:55 | 0:00:57 | |
-..the Perthyn team -has uncovered many a secret... | 0:00:58 | 0:01:01 | |
-..and the occasional black sheep -in your family trees. | 0:01:01 | 0:01:05 | |
-This week, we're focusing -on Ceri Griffiths's story... | 0:01:07 | 0:01:10 | |
-..who hails from Carmarthenshire. | 0:01:11 | 0:01:13 | |
-Ceri has been tracing -the Scurlock family. | 0:01:13 | 0:01:16 | |
-I've come to meet him -to hear about his obsession. | 0:01:16 | 0:01:20 | |
-You've lived in Cardiff -for ten years... | 0:01:20 | 0:01:22 | |
-..but you've travelled a great deal. | 0:01:23 | 0:01:26 | |
-My father is to blame for that... | 0:01:26 | 0:01:28 | |
-..he's a policeman. | 0:01:29 | 0:01:31 | |
-We've lived all over South Wales. | 0:01:31 | 0:01:33 | |
-From Haverfordwest to Cwmbran... | 0:01:33 | 0:01:36 | |
-..and back to Rhydargaeau, -outside Carmarthen. | 0:01:36 | 0:01:40 | |
-That's where I spent -most of my childhood. | 0:01:40 | 0:01:44 | |
-Were you inspired -to trace your family tree... | 0:01:44 | 0:01:47 | |
-..as a result of living away -from your family roots? | 0:01:47 | 0:01:50 | |
-I had no interest as a child. | 0:01:51 | 0:01:53 | |
-I never listened -to my grandmother... | 0:01:53 | 0:01:55 | |
-..who went on and on about -having relatives here and there. | 0:01:56 | 0:02:00 | |
-When I used to cycle past -these farms as a child... | 0:02:00 | 0:02:03 | |
-..I didn't realize -my relatives used to live there. | 0:02:03 | 0:02:07 | |
-But lately, I've been researching -my family to find out more. | 0:02:07 | 0:02:13 | |
-We have two daughters. | 0:02:13 | 0:02:15 | |
-Mam-gu is no longer with us. | 0:02:15 | 0:02:18 | |
-I regret not asking her -more about it. | 0:02:18 | 0:02:21 | |
-I hope I'll be able to find out more -details to pass on to my daughters. | 0:02:22 | 0:02:27 | |
-You've started your own research, -but there are a few gaps. | 0:02:27 | 0:02:31 | |
-It all stems from one story that -Mam-gu told us about three girls... | 0:02:31 | 0:02:36 | |
-..who were orphaned at a young age. | 0:02:36 | 0:02:39 | |
-I want to know what became of them. | 0:02:39 | 0:02:42 | |
-How far have you got? | 0:02:42 | 0:02:44 | |
-By researching my side -of the Scurlock family... | 0:02:45 | 0:02:48 | |
-..I also discovered -a wealthy branch of Scurlocks. | 0:02:48 | 0:02:52 | |
-I want to find out if I'm related -to this other Scurlock family... | 0:02:52 | 0:02:57 | |
-..but I've hit a brick wall -and can't go any further. | 0:02:57 | 0:03:00 | |
-I hope you can help me find -this connection. | 0:03:01 | 0:03:03 | |
-And I'm sure you fancy making -some money out of it! | 0:03:04 | 0:03:07 | |
-Who knows! | 0:03:07 | 0:03:09 | |
-Ceri often returns to -the Carmarthen area... | 0:03:13 | 0:03:16 | |
-..to try and fill in the blanks -in his family tree. | 0:03:16 | 0:03:19 | |
-The surname Scurlock is unusual, so -it's been a help in his research. | 0:03:22 | 0:03:26 | |
-It's an Irish name... | 0:03:27 | 0:03:29 | |
-..from the Norman period. | 0:03:29 | 0:03:31 | |
-The first record of Scurlocks -in Carmarthen... | 0:03:31 | 0:03:35 | |
-..dates back to the 16th century. | 0:03:35 | 0:03:37 | |
-From what I've read -about the wealthy Scurlocks... | 0:03:39 | 0:03:42 | |
-..they were important people. | 0:03:42 | 0:03:44 | |
-Jonathan Scurlock -was the town's sheriff in the 1670s. | 0:03:45 | 0:03:48 | |
-But Mary Scurlock -is the most famous of them. | 0:03:49 | 0:03:51 | |
-She married the poet and writer, -Sir Richard Steele. | 0:03:52 | 0:03:56 | |
-Their child married into -Lady Diana Spencer's family. | 0:03:56 | 0:04:00 | |
-It would be nice -to be related to them... | 0:04:00 | 0:04:03 | |
-..so that I had some kind of -connection with the royal family. | 0:04:03 | 0:04:07 | |
-The Perthyn team -has a challenge ahead of them. | 0:04:10 | 0:04:13 | |
-As well as a renowned poet... | 0:04:13 | 0:04:15 | |
-..Mary Scurlock was famous -among London's glitterati. | 0:04:15 | 0:04:19 | |
-She's buried in the prestigious -Poets' Corner in Westminster Abbey. | 0:04:19 | 0:04:23 | |
-However, many of her noble family -are buried here in Carmarthen. | 0:04:24 | 0:04:29 | |
-The Scurlocks came to -St Peter's Church in Carmarthen. | 0:04:30 | 0:04:34 | |
-They apparently donated -a lot of money... | 0:04:34 | 0:04:37 | |
-..and many of them are buried here. | 0:04:37 | 0:04:40 | |
-There's a memorial plaque -to Sir Richard Steele... | 0:04:40 | 0:04:44 | |
-..and Jonathan Scurlock, -Mary's father. | 0:04:44 | 0:04:47 | |
-They are listed here -among Carmarthen's dignitaries. | 0:04:47 | 0:04:51 | |
-I'd love to discover a link... | 0:04:51 | 0:04:53 | |
-..between the two branches -of the Scurlock family. | 0:04:53 | 0:04:58 | |
-But I've failed to find a -connection linking both families. | 0:04:58 | 0:05:02 | |
-Ceri knows that his branch -of the Scurlock family... | 0:05:05 | 0:05:09 | |
-..came from Rhydargaeau -near Carmarthen. | 0:05:10 | 0:05:13 | |
-The place holds happy memories -of his grandmother. | 0:05:13 | 0:05:16 | |
-Although the name Scurlock can be -traced to his father's side... | 0:05:17 | 0:05:21 | |
-..the interest lies with Ceri -and his mother. | 0:05:21 | 0:05:24 | |
-It's only when members of your -family start passing away... | 0:05:25 | 0:05:28 | |
-..you realize that the family's -history goes with them. | 0:05:29 | 0:05:33 | |
-I think that's when Ceri... | 0:05:33 | 0:05:36 | |
-..became interested -in family history. | 0:05:36 | 0:05:39 | |
-He wanted the information -to pass on to his children. | 0:05:39 | 0:05:44 | |
-Ceri would phone late at night -and ask, "Who comes from here? | 0:05:44 | 0:05:48 | |
-"Who was married to so-and-so?" -In the end, he hit a brick wall. | 0:05:48 | 0:05:53 | |
-He didn't know which way to turn -and who to ask next. | 0:05:53 | 0:05:56 | |
-William Henry -doesn't look too happy. | 0:05:56 | 0:05:59 | |
-He was surrounded by women, -that's why. | 0:05:59 | 0:06:02 | |
-Yes, I know how he feels! | 0:06:02 | 0:06:04 | |
-Yes, I know how he feels! - -Exactly. | 0:06:04 | 0:06:06 | |
-Mam-gu always talked about -the three sisters... | 0:06:06 | 0:06:09 | |
-..who lived on Pentresite Farm. | 0:06:10 | 0:06:12 | |
-One of them -was my great-great-grandmother. | 0:06:12 | 0:06:15 | |
-I don't know much about her -or her two sisters... | 0:06:16 | 0:06:20 | |
-..apart from the fact that they had -lost their parents at a young age. | 0:06:20 | 0:06:24 | |
-I was born a couple of miles -up the road in Rhydargaeau. | 0:06:26 | 0:06:30 | |
-I used to cycle all around here. | 0:06:30 | 0:06:32 | |
-I'd cycle up the hill -and back down again. | 0:06:33 | 0:06:36 | |
-Mam-gu often mentioned the farms. | 0:06:36 | 0:06:38 | |
-Llainffynnon, Waungaled -and Pentresite. | 0:06:38 | 0:06:42 | |
-It's a very different upbringing... | 0:06:42 | 0:06:45 | |
-..from that of the wealthy Scurlocks -in Carmarthen town. | 0:06:45 | 0:06:49 | |
-When I started tracing -the Scurlock family tree... | 0:06:53 | 0:06:57 | |
-..Mam suggested I come to -Horeb chapel... | 0:06:57 | 0:07:00 | |
-..where many of the Scurlock family -are buried. | 0:07:00 | 0:07:03 | |
-I hoped I'd discover -more information. | 0:07:03 | 0:07:06 | |
-The first time I came, -this gravestone was facing down. | 0:07:08 | 0:07:12 | |
-But I can now see it's the grave of -David Scurlock, the girls' father. | 0:07:12 | 0:07:18 | |
-There are many more Scurlocks -buried here. So, who are they? | 0:07:19 | 0:07:23 | |
-How do they fit into the family? | 0:07:23 | 0:07:26 | |
-Ceri's family farmed in Rhydargaeau -in the parish of Llanllawddog... | 0:07:26 | 0:07:31 | |
-..over 150 years ago. | 0:07:31 | 0:07:33 | |
-His grandmother's story -about the three sisters... | 0:07:33 | 0:07:37 | |
-..was his inspiration. | 0:07:37 | 0:07:39 | |
-Rachel, Hannah and Lettice, -his great-great-grandmother... | 0:07:39 | 0:07:44 | |
-..were the daughters -of David and Mary... | 0:07:44 | 0:07:46 | |
-..who were left orphaned. | 0:07:47 | 0:07:49 | |
-Ceri wants to know what happened to -them after they lost their parents. | 0:07:49 | 0:07:54 | |
-Who came to look after them -on the farm? | 0:07:54 | 0:07:57 | |
-He's come to the National Library -to find the answers. | 0:07:57 | 0:08:01 | |
-If we look here -at the Llanllawddog census... | 0:08:04 | 0:08:08 | |
-..from 1871... | 0:08:08 | 0:08:11 | |
-..you can see that David and Mary -lived there with three girls. | 0:08:11 | 0:08:16 | |
-Rachel and Ann... | 0:08:16 | 0:08:18 | |
-..otherwise known as Hannah. | 0:08:18 | 0:08:21 | |
-But if you look here, you'll notice -another daughter, Eliza, who's 13. | 0:08:21 | 0:08:27 | |
-Your great-great grandmother Lettice -hadn't yet been born. | 0:08:28 | 0:08:33 | |
-What's interesting is the fact -that Eliza Scurlock is 13... | 0:08:33 | 0:08:38 | |
-..and Rachel is five. | 0:08:38 | 0:08:40 | |
-There's a bit of an age gap between -the two, which got me thinking. | 0:08:40 | 0:08:45 | |
-I searched for David and Mary's -marriage certificate. | 0:08:46 | 0:08:50 | |
-They married in 1865. | 0:08:50 | 0:08:52 | |
-If you do the maths... | 0:08:53 | 0:08:55 | |
-..you'll spot that Eliza -is much too old. | 0:08:55 | 0:08:57 | |
-So, she's an illegitimate child. | 0:08:58 | 0:09:00 | |
-Oh, right. | 0:09:01 | 0:09:03 | |
-The 1861 census -confirms that Eliza... | 0:09:06 | 0:09:09 | |
-..or Elizabeth, -lived with her mother, Mary... | 0:09:09 | 0:09:12 | |
-..and her grandfather, John Thomas, -at Llainffynnon, Rhydargaeau. | 0:09:12 | 0:09:17 | |
-Mary was unmarried at the time. | 0:09:17 | 0:09:20 | |
-Within four years, -she married David Scurlock. | 0:09:21 | 0:09:25 | |
-Together they had three daughters. | 0:09:25 | 0:09:27 | |
-But in 1875, both died from TB. | 0:09:27 | 0:09:31 | |
-Eliza became a servant -on a local farm... | 0:09:33 | 0:09:36 | |
-..but the three sisters, -all under 10 years old... | 0:09:37 | 0:09:40 | |
-..were left orphaned -at Pentresite Farm. | 0:09:40 | 0:09:43 | |
-We've discovered what happened next. | 0:09:44 | 0:09:46 | |
-We've found the census from 1881. | 0:09:46 | 0:09:49 | |
-From this, we can tell -that they still lived at Pentresite. | 0:09:49 | 0:09:54 | |
-Hannah and Lettice... | 0:09:54 | 0:09:58 | |
-..are still there. | 0:09:58 | 0:10:00 | |
-Eliza and Rachel had left -to work as servants on local farms. | 0:10:00 | 0:10:05 | |
-It's interesting to see... | 0:10:05 | 0:10:07 | |
-..that the head of the family -was a female called Elizabeth Lewis. | 0:10:07 | 0:10:12 | |
-She's noted as being a servant -taking care of children. | 0:10:13 | 0:10:16 | |
-So, she was the one -looking after the children. | 0:10:17 | 0:10:20 | |
-A man called Henry Evans -who was 19... | 0:10:20 | 0:10:24 | |
-..most probably looked after -the farm... | 0:10:24 | 0:10:28 | |
-..when the children were small -to make sure it functioned. | 0:10:28 | 0:10:32 | |
-It's hard to believe -that those three girls... | 0:10:34 | 0:10:38 | |
-..were thrust into that situation -at such a young age. | 0:10:38 | 0:10:42 | |
-It's a pity -they had no family support. | 0:10:42 | 0:10:45 | |
-There were other Scurlocks -in the area. | 0:10:45 | 0:10:47 | |
-If that happened to me and our -daughters were left behind... | 0:10:48 | 0:10:52 | |
-..I'd like to think that the family -would rally around... | 0:10:52 | 0:10:57 | |
-..and come to look after them -and help them. | 0:10:57 | 0:11:00 | |
-What did they do for money -at Pentresite? | 0:11:01 | 0:11:04 | |
-They must have continued -to run the farm in some way. | 0:11:04 | 0:11:08 | |
-Someone was paying Elizabeth Lewis -to look after them. | 0:11:08 | 0:11:12 | |
-We're not sure who. | 0:11:12 | 0:11:14 | |
-To find out what happened next... | 0:11:16 | 0:11:18 | |
-..let's move on to 1901. | 0:11:18 | 0:11:22 | |
-Only Hannah lived on the farm. | 0:11:22 | 0:11:24 | |
-Henry Evans -was the head of the household. | 0:11:24 | 0:11:28 | |
-He had married Hannah. | 0:11:29 | 0:11:32 | |
-So, Hannah married Henry who looked -after the farm when she was small. | 0:11:32 | 0:11:37 | |
-They started a family -and farmed Pentresite together. | 0:11:37 | 0:11:41 | |
-I didn't expect that at all. | 0:11:45 | 0:11:47 | |
-There were actually four sisters, -not three. | 0:11:47 | 0:11:50 | |
-Mam-gu hadn't mentioned her. -Perhaps she didn't know. | 0:11:50 | 0:11:55 | |
-Then, the parents died -and none of the family came to help. | 0:11:55 | 0:11:59 | |
-I find that a little strange. | 0:11:59 | 0:12:01 | |
-Now I know this much, I still need -one major question answered. | 0:12:01 | 0:12:06 | |
-Is my branch of the Scurlock family -related to the royal Scurlocks? | 0:12:06 | 0:12:11 | |
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-Ceri Griffiths -is obsessed with his family tree. | 0:12:27 | 0:12:30 | |
-He's trying to discover -if his branch of Scurlocks... | 0:12:30 | 0:12:34 | |
-..are related to -the royal Scurlocks... | 0:12:34 | 0:12:37 | |
-..who came from the same line -as Princess Diana. | 0:12:37 | 0:12:40 | |
-Ceri has traced his family -back five generations... | 0:12:41 | 0:12:44 | |
-..to David and Mary Scurlock -of Pentresite Farm... | 0:12:45 | 0:12:48 | |
-..who died, -leaving four daughters behind. | 0:12:49 | 0:12:52 | |
-But Perthyn has managed to go back -another two generations... | 0:12:52 | 0:12:56 | |
-..to John Scurlock -of Rhydyrhaw Farm. | 0:12:56 | 0:12:59 | |
-While trying to connect -Ceri's Scurlocks... | 0:13:00 | 0:13:03 | |
-..to the royal Scurlocks, -Jason has found an important will... | 0:13:03 | 0:13:08 | |
-..from 1803. | 0:13:08 | 0:13:10 | |
-The will of Jane Scurlock, -John Scurlock's sister-in-law. | 0:13:10 | 0:13:14 | |
-Could there be further clues? | 0:13:15 | 0:13:17 | |
-One part of the will -makes interesting reading. | 0:13:17 | 0:13:20 | |
-Right here, it says, -"I give and bequeath... | 0:13:21 | 0:13:24 | |
-"..to the trustees -of the dissenting meeting house... | 0:13:24 | 0:13:28 | |
-"..in Lammas Street, Carmarthen... | 0:13:28 | 0:13:31 | |
-"..the sum of 10 in trust -to be paid out by them... | 0:13:31 | 0:13:34 | |
-"..towards the support -of the dissenting interests... | 0:13:34 | 0:13:39 | |
-"..of the independent persuasions -at Abergwili... | 0:13:39 | 0:13:43 | |
-"..or towards building -a meeting house at Abergwili... | 0:13:43 | 0:13:47 | |
-"..should that ever take place." | 0:13:47 | 0:13:50 | |
-I have even more questions to ask -about the family now... | 0:13:52 | 0:13:56 | |
-..instead of answers. | 0:13:56 | 0:13:58 | |
-I don't even know -what a dissenting meeting house is. | 0:14:00 | 0:14:04 | |
-Before 1689, religious worship -in a chapel was illegal. | 0:14:07 | 0:14:11 | |
-Religion was monopolized -by the Church. | 0:14:12 | 0:14:14 | |
-Nonconformists who rejected -the Church were known as dissenters. | 0:14:15 | 0:14:19 | |
-They were forced to worship -in secret... | 0:14:20 | 0:14:23 | |
-..in remote locations like Pant-teg -in the parish of Abergwili. | 0:14:23 | 0:14:27 | |
-This is one of Carmarthenshire's -oldest chapels. | 0:14:27 | 0:14:31 | |
-Under the nose of -the Bishop of St David's Palace... | 0:14:31 | 0:14:35 | |
-..worshippers jeopardized their -lives by renouncing the Church. | 0:14:35 | 0:14:40 | |
-But in 1689, the act of worshipping -in a chapel was made legal. | 0:14:40 | 0:14:44 | |
-The nonconformist tradition -continues in Wales to this day. | 0:14:45 | 0:14:49 | |
-The headmistress said, "Children, -I want you to close your eyes... | 0:14:49 | 0:14:54 | |
-"..for you to see..." | 0:14:54 | 0:14:56 | |
-Ceri's relative, Jane Scurlock, -was among the earliest worshippers. | 0:14:56 | 0:15:01 | |
-She left a considerable amount of -money to support the construction... | 0:15:02 | 0:15:06 | |
-..of more chapels in Abergwili. | 0:15:07 | 0:15:09 | |
-Ceri has been hearing more about -the background from Dr Eryn White. | 0:15:11 | 0:15:16 | |
-She may have new information -about his family. | 0:15:16 | 0:15:19 | |
-I've seen Jane Scurlock's will. | 0:15:20 | 0:15:22 | |
-She left money for the construction -of a chapel in Abergwili. | 0:15:22 | 0:15:26 | |
-How common would that have been? | 0:15:27 | 0:15:29 | |
-The nonconformists -relied on wealthy members. | 0:15:29 | 0:15:33 | |
-They didn't have the tithe -like the Church did. | 0:15:33 | 0:15:36 | |
-Some people did leave money -in their wills. | 0:15:36 | 0:15:39 | |
-It was often the wealthiest members -who contributed. | 0:15:40 | 0:15:44 | |
-It's interesting that it happened -more than once in your family. | 0:15:44 | 0:15:49 | |
-We came across a record -of John Scurlock... | 0:15:49 | 0:15:52 | |
-..in the historical tomes -of the Welsh independent churches. | 0:15:53 | 0:15:58 | |
-Back in 1746, John Scurlock provided -the land for the construction of... | 0:15:58 | 0:16:03 | |
-..Bwlchnewydd chapel -in Carmarthenshire. | 0:16:03 | 0:16:05 | |
-His contribution made it possible -for the chapel to be built. | 0:16:06 | 0:16:12 | |
-It was Jane Scurlock who funded the -building of a chapel in Abergwili. | 0:16:14 | 0:16:19 | |
-That was very risky for her... | 0:16:19 | 0:16:22 | |
-..because the Bishop of St David's -Palace was located there. | 0:16:23 | 0:16:27 | |
-It was built -right under the bishop's nose. | 0:16:27 | 0:16:30 | |
-Some of your family members -belonged to that pioneering age... | 0:16:31 | 0:16:35 | |
-..before nonconformity -became fashionable. | 0:16:35 | 0:16:38 | |
-They were already forging ahead. | 0:16:38 | 0:16:41 | |
-They were already forging ahead. - -In memory of me. | 0:16:41 | 0:16:43 | |
-Ceri has been shocked -by his family's contribution... | 0:16:48 | 0:16:52 | |
-..to the rise -of Carmarthen's chapels. | 0:16:52 | 0:16:56 | |
-He still hopes to find a connection -linking him to the royal Scurlocks. | 0:16:56 | 0:17:00 | |
-The team has been trawling through -the archives... | 0:17:01 | 0:17:04 | |
-..to try and find the missing link -between the two families. | 0:17:05 | 0:17:09 | |
-The Scurlocks' family tree has -caused problems for many historians. | 0:17:10 | 0:17:15 | |
-Perthyn is still trying to find out -if Ceri is of royal descent. | 0:17:15 | 0:17:20 | |
-Back in Pant-teg, Eryn might have -more information for him. | 0:17:23 | 0:17:27 | |
-It appears that my branch of the -Scurlock family were chapel-goers. | 0:17:27 | 0:17:32 | |
-But what about the wealthy Scurlocks -from Carmarthen? | 0:17:32 | 0:17:35 | |
-There are two sides here. | 0:17:36 | 0:17:37 | |
-Carmarthen was an interesting town -at the time. | 0:17:38 | 0:17:41 | |
-It was important for commerce. | 0:17:41 | 0:17:44 | |
-It was known -as the London of Wales... | 0:17:44 | 0:17:47 | |
-..because it held so many dances -and horse races... | 0:17:47 | 0:17:51 | |
-..for the nobility who lived there. | 0:17:51 | 0:17:53 | |
-It was also an important town -for the Church. | 0:17:53 | 0:17:56 | |
-Until 1828, -in order to hold a public post... | 0:17:57 | 0:18:00 | |
-..a person had to be a churchman. | 0:18:00 | 0:18:03 | |
-You couldn't hold a government post -if you were a nonconformist... | 0:18:03 | 0:18:07 | |
-..and neither could you hold -a public role. | 0:18:08 | 0:18:11 | |
-There might have been an element -of conflict in the family... | 0:18:11 | 0:18:16 | |
-..if some of them -became nonconformists. | 0:18:16 | 0:18:19 | |
-It's possible that something -similar happened to the Scurlocks. | 0:18:20 | 0:18:26 | |
-One branch might have continued to -be a respectable clan in Carmarthen. | 0:18:26 | 0:18:32 | |
-The others might have been rebels -and joined the nonconformists. | 0:18:32 | 0:18:36 | |
-It's possible they lost contact -over the years. | 0:18:37 | 0:18:40 | |
-What Eryn said made sense. | 0:18:43 | 0:18:45 | |
-Our family could have broken away -from the wealthy family... | 0:18:45 | 0:18:49 | |
-..and became two separate -branches of the same family. | 0:18:49 | 0:18:53 | |
-But I'm still troubled -by one question. | 0:18:53 | 0:18:56 | |
-Hello, Ceri. | 0:18:59 | 0:19:01 | |
-Arwel Jones from the Perthyn team -has asked me to meet him. | 0:19:01 | 0:19:05 | |
-I have no idea what to expect. | 0:19:05 | 0:19:08 | |
-I'm sure you're expecting an answer. | 0:19:08 | 0:19:11 | |
-I know that searching for ties -with the Scurlock family... | 0:19:11 | 0:19:16 | |
-..has been driving you mad. | 0:19:17 | 0:19:19 | |
-It's the one thing you need -to find out about your family. | 0:19:19 | 0:19:23 | |
-Family history -can be a very exciting thing. | 0:19:23 | 0:19:27 | |
-It can also be -an enriching experience. | 0:19:27 | 0:19:30 | |
-Tracing your family tree can also -be a frustrating experience... | 0:19:30 | 0:19:34 | |
-..because, sometimes, -the trail goes cold. | 0:19:35 | 0:19:38 | |
-Unfortunately, in this case... | 0:19:38 | 0:19:40 | |
-..we've failed to establish -a connection... | 0:19:41 | 0:19:44 | |
-..between your branch -and the royal branch. | 0:19:45 | 0:19:47 | |
-It doesn't mean that the experts -don't believe there's truth in it. | 0:19:48 | 0:19:52 | |
-It's most likely -that a connection exists... | 0:19:53 | 0:19:55 | |
-..between two families -with such an unusual name. | 0:19:55 | 0:19:58 | |
-But if you asked me for evidence -to prove the connection... | 0:19:59 | 0:20:03 | |
-..I'm afraid -I'd have to disappoint you. | 0:20:03 | 0:20:07 | |
-The Perthyn team only traced Ceri's -family back to the 18th century. | 0:20:11 | 0:20:15 | |
-The trail comes to an end with David -Scurlock, Machelws Farm, Abergwili. | 0:20:16 | 0:20:21 | |
-The connection between the two -Scurlock families remains a mystery. | 0:20:21 | 0:20:26 | |
-But the research has revealed -another member of the family. | 0:20:28 | 0:20:32 | |
-Perthyn has found a descendent of -the Scurlock sisters at Pentresite. | 0:20:32 | 0:20:37 | |
-It's a surprise for Ceri. | 0:20:37 | 0:20:39 | |
-He has no idea who he's meeting. | 0:20:39 | 0:20:42 | |
-Hello. How are you? | 0:20:46 | 0:20:48 | |
-You don't know me -but I'm the grandson of Hannah... | 0:20:48 | 0:20:52 | |
-..the second of the three sisters. | 0:20:52 | 0:20:54 | |
-My grandfather -was the first bailiff on the farm... | 0:20:54 | 0:20:58 | |
-..who married the second sister. | 0:20:58 | 0:21:01 | |
-Oh, now I know who you are! | 0:21:01 | 0:21:03 | |
-I didn't think there were any more -family members left. | 0:21:06 | 0:21:09 | |
-I didn't know -there was still family in the area. | 0:21:10 | 0:21:14 | |
-From what I've read -and from what I've heard... | 0:21:14 | 0:21:18 | |
-..the three sisters were orphaned... | 0:21:18 | 0:21:21 | |
-..because their mother had died. | 0:21:21 | 0:21:24 | |
-The mother's brother had come -down from Porth in the Rhondda... | 0:21:25 | 0:21:29 | |
-..to make arrangements for them. | 0:21:29 | 0:21:31 | |
-He bought Pentresite -for the three girls... | 0:21:32 | 0:21:35 | |
-..so that they had a home. | 0:21:36 | 0:21:38 | |
-Thomas Thomas... | 0:21:38 | 0:21:40 | |
-..was a wealthy man. | 0:21:41 | 0:21:43 | |
-He had shops in Porth and Ystrad -in the Rhondda. | 0:21:43 | 0:21:47 | |
-He provided great support to them. | 0:21:47 | 0:21:50 | |
-Because there was no-one -to care for them... | 0:21:53 | 0:21:55 | |
-..a 19-year-old bailiff was -appointed to look after the farm. | 0:21:56 | 0:22:00 | |
-He then found an experienced woman -to bring up the girls. | 0:22:00 | 0:22:04 | |
-That's my grandmother, Hannah Evans. | 0:22:07 | 0:22:11 | |
-And that's my grandfather -with the plough. | 0:22:12 | 0:22:15 | |
-Thomas Thomas -paid for the farm outright. | 0:22:15 | 0:22:19 | |
-Later, -in seven or eight years' time... | 0:22:19 | 0:22:22 | |
-..my grandfather bought the farm -from Thomas Thomas. | 0:22:23 | 0:22:27 | |
-Do you know where Rachel went? -She left Pentresite. | 0:22:28 | 0:22:31 | |
-Yes, Rachel went to a farm called -Llainffynnon next door. | 0:22:31 | 0:22:36 | |
-The third sister... | 0:22:36 | 0:22:38 | |
-..went to live on a farm -in Llanllawddog. | 0:22:38 | 0:22:42 | |
-So, the family lived -in close proximity to one another. | 0:22:44 | 0:22:47 | |
-The story begins with the three -sisters being left orphaned. | 0:22:51 | 0:22:56 | |
-It's nice to discover that -everything turned out well... | 0:22:56 | 0:23:00 | |
-..because of this uncle -from the Rhondda... | 0:23:00 | 0:23:03 | |
-..who hired the housemaid -and bailiff to care for them. | 0:23:03 | 0:23:07 | |
-The geese were kept there. | 0:23:08 | 0:23:10 | |
-But David, the grandson -of Hannah and Henry... | 0:23:10 | 0:23:13 | |
-..knew nothing about -the fourth sister. | 0:23:14 | 0:23:17 | |
-Mam-gu never mentioned her either. | 0:23:17 | 0:23:19 | |
-But I'm sure she'd be happy to know -that the family had helped them... | 0:23:23 | 0:23:28 | |
-..and that everything -worked out well in the end. | 0:23:28 | 0:23:31 | |
-S4C Subtitles by Adnod Cyf. | 0:23:56 | 0:23:58 | |
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