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Ah, Johnny, we only met two or three times, | 0:00:03 | 0:00:05 | |
but the first time I met Johnny Cash, uh, | 0:00:05 | 0:00:09 | |
was at some awards show - | 0:00:09 | 0:00:12 | |
I don't know if it was one of those Waldorf Astoria sort of jobs - | 0:00:12 | 0:00:19 | |
and...I went to the john, you know? | 0:00:19 | 0:00:24 | |
And I walk in and there is one other guy in there | 0:00:24 | 0:00:27 | |
and he was taking a piss, you know? | 0:00:27 | 0:00:29 | |
Uh...so I went in the cubicle | 0:00:29 | 0:00:33 | |
and as I got in, I said, "Dammit," to myself, | 0:00:33 | 0:00:38 | |
I said, "That's Johnny Cash. That is the old JC, man." | 0:00:38 | 0:00:43 | |
So... | 0:00:43 | 0:00:45 | |
When I'm taking a leak, I thought I'd hit him with... | 0:00:47 | 0:00:50 | |
You know, "What's going to be interesting? | 0:00:50 | 0:00:52 | |
"I'm not going to go with A Boy Called Sue." | 0:00:52 | 0:00:55 | |
I start humming a song called Loading Coal... | 0:00:55 | 0:00:59 | |
..which is very, very obscure Johnny Cash. | 0:01:01 | 0:01:04 | |
Very obscure. | 0:01:04 | 0:01:06 | |
And as I walked out, he turned round and looked at me, | 0:01:06 | 0:01:11 | |
I looked at him and he said, "I ain't heard that song in years. | 0:01:11 | 0:01:16 | |
"Only idiots know that song." | 0:01:18 | 0:01:20 | |
And that's how I met Johnny Cash. | 0:01:20 | 0:01:22 | |
It is very rare in this world that you can be who you are | 0:01:22 | 0:01:26 | |
from beginning to end. | 0:01:26 | 0:01:28 | |
Most people change completely | 0:01:28 | 0:01:31 | |
or they, sort of, suddenly meld into the woodwork and become... | 0:01:31 | 0:01:37 | |
It's not easy to stick around in show business. | 0:01:37 | 0:01:42 | |
I mean... | 0:01:42 | 0:01:43 | |
Sometimes you wonder, "What the hell am I still doing here?" | 0:01:46 | 0:01:49 | |
But I've been thinking that for about 40 years, | 0:01:49 | 0:01:52 | |
so I've got over it. | 0:01:52 | 0:01:53 | |
But at the same time, you know, Johnny and I had that... | 0:01:53 | 0:01:57 | |
We were fellow travellers in a way. | 0:01:59 | 0:02:02 | |
You can be a tough guy but you can be, you know, | 0:02:02 | 0:02:04 | |
at the same time, sensitive and shit, | 0:02:04 | 0:02:07 | |
just like me. | 0:02:07 | 0:02:08 | |
Songwriting, you know, where do your songs come from? | 0:02:11 | 0:02:14 | |
I have no idea where they come from. | 0:02:14 | 0:02:17 | |
I have especially never wanted to think of myself as, you know, | 0:02:17 | 0:02:20 | |
"I created this, this is mine." | 0:02:20 | 0:02:22 | |
The songs... | 0:02:22 | 0:02:24 | |
Music is passing through this room as we talk right now, Julian, | 0:02:25 | 0:02:30 | |
except we are talking. | 0:02:30 | 0:02:32 | |
If I had a piano or a guitar, | 0:02:32 | 0:02:36 | |
I might pick one up, you know, but I firmly believe... | 0:02:36 | 0:02:41 | |
It's not a creation. | 0:02:43 | 0:02:45 | |
It is a matter of listening and luck. | 0:02:45 | 0:02:48 | |
I'm like an antenna, a receiver. | 0:02:48 | 0:02:51 | |
I just sit down with an instrument - | 0:02:52 | 0:02:54 | |
it might be the piano, it might be - probably - the guitar, | 0:02:54 | 0:02:57 | |
most of the time, | 0:02:57 | 0:02:58 | |
and I'll play other people's songs just because I love them. | 0:02:58 | 0:03:03 | |
I might play Otis Redding songs, Buddy Holly, | 0:03:03 | 0:03:07 | |
Eddie Cochrane, you know? | 0:03:07 | 0:03:09 | |
Suddenly, now and again, somewhere, | 0:03:09 | 0:03:14 | |
an original twist and an idea comes in. | 0:03:14 | 0:03:18 | |
The muse... | 0:03:20 | 0:03:21 | |
HE CHUCKLES | 0:03:21 | 0:03:23 | |
A big word, with a capital M. | 0:03:23 | 0:03:25 | |
And you get carried away on a totally different path. | 0:03:25 | 0:03:30 | |
You can hear something out of a couple of chords | 0:03:30 | 0:03:33 | |
that suddenly suggest a whole piece of music, | 0:03:33 | 0:03:36 | |
and it might be just one wrong move, | 0:03:36 | 0:03:39 | |
and if you're open-minded enough, | 0:03:39 | 0:03:44 | |
you'll see, "No, that wasn't a screw-up, | 0:03:44 | 0:03:47 | |
"that was a lead-in", you know? | 0:03:47 | 0:03:51 | |
MUSIC: That'll Be The Day by Buddy Holly | 0:03:51 | 0:03:53 | |
# Well, that'll be the day when you say goodbye | 0:03:53 | 0:03:56 | |
# Yes, that'll be the day when you make me cry | 0:03:56 | 0:03:59 | |
# You say you're gonna leave You know it's a lie | 0:03:59 | 0:04:03 | |
# Cos that'll be the day when I die | 0:04:03 | 0:04:06 | |
# Well, you give me all your loving and your turtle doving | 0:04:06 | 0:04:09 | |
# All your hugs and kisses and your money too | 0:04:09 | 0:04:13 | |
# Well, you know you love me, baby until you tell me, maybe | 0:04:13 | 0:04:16 | |
# That some day, well, I'll be through | 0:04:16 | 0:04:19 | |
# Well, that'll be the day when you say goodbye | 0:04:19 | 0:04:22 | |
# Yes, that'll be the day when you make me cry | 0:04:22 | 0:04:26 | |
# You say you're gonna leave You know it's a lie | 0:04:26 | 0:04:29 | |
# Cos that'll be the day when I die | 0:04:29 | 0:04:32 | |
# Well, that'll be the day when you say goodbye | 0:04:39 | 0:04:42 | |
# Yes, that'll be the day when you make me cry | 0:04:42 | 0:04:45 | |
# You say you're gonna leave You know it's a lie | 0:04:45 | 0:04:49 | |
# Cos that'll be the day when I die | 0:04:49 | 0:04:52 | |
# Well, that'll be the day | 0:04:52 | 0:04:55 | |
# Woo-hoo | 0:04:55 | 0:04:56 | |
# That'll be the day | 0:04:56 | 0:04:58 | |
# Woo-hoo | 0:04:58 | 0:04:59 | |
# That'll be the day | 0:04:59 | 0:05:01 | |
# Woo-hoo | 0:05:01 | 0:05:02 | |
# That'll be the day. # | 0:05:02 | 0:05:05 | |
APPLAUSE | 0:05:07 | 0:05:08 | |
Buddy Holly, incredible, incredible. | 0:05:10 | 0:05:13 | |
Oh, the good die young. | 0:05:13 | 0:05:15 | |
Guys like Buddy Holly, Eddie Cochrane, Gene Vincent. | 0:05:15 | 0:05:20 | |
This is the hazards of this job, you know? | 0:05:20 | 0:05:22 | |
Do you ever think about these guys, what they would have gone on to do? | 0:05:22 | 0:05:26 | |
I constantly think about their possibilities. | 0:05:26 | 0:05:31 | |
Eddie Cochrane's, Buddy Holly's, Otis Redding's, Jimi Hendrix. | 0:05:31 | 0:05:37 | |
I constantly think about these people. | 0:05:37 | 0:05:40 | |
My only advantage is that I'm still alive. | 0:05:40 | 0:05:44 | |
HE LAUGHS | 0:05:44 | 0:05:45 | |
So you can think... | 0:05:45 | 0:05:47 | |
But the good die young, | 0:05:47 | 0:05:48 | |
so where does that put me, you know what I mean? | 0:05:48 | 0:05:51 | |
Buddy Holly, I mean, what a one-man tour de force! | 0:05:51 | 0:05:56 | |
And to people like me and, I guess, to Mick as well, | 0:05:58 | 0:06:01 | |
this is a guy that can...write 'em, play 'em...record 'em and... | 0:06:01 | 0:06:08 | |
You know, a guy that, all by himself, | 0:06:08 | 0:06:11 | |
could do everything, you know? | 0:06:11 | 0:06:14 | |
Rather than this manufactured stuff that you're getting, | 0:06:14 | 0:06:18 | |
the usual pap which you get these days. | 0:06:18 | 0:06:21 | |
Even worse, probably. | 0:06:21 | 0:06:22 | |
I mean, you know, it's a separate thing, because... | 0:06:22 | 0:06:25 | |
White cats can do it too, you know? | 0:06:25 | 0:06:31 | |
And to us, this was such an inspiration. | 0:06:31 | 0:06:35 | |
I mean, we were in love with black music. | 0:06:35 | 0:06:38 | |
I mean, they had the rhythms, the ideas, | 0:06:38 | 0:06:40 | |
the slant aside of the lyrics and everything, | 0:06:40 | 0:06:45 | |
and after you got that initial spark, | 0:06:45 | 0:06:48 | |
for me, at least, | 0:06:48 | 0:06:49 | |
the rest of the song leads me the rest of the way. | 0:06:49 | 0:06:53 | |
You know, I'm lucky that way. Yeah? | 0:06:53 | 0:06:56 | |
I've never sat down to say, "I'm going to write a song now." | 0:06:56 | 0:07:01 | |
I always think I'm an amateur trying. | 0:07:01 | 0:07:04 | |
I have a hard time thinking about myself as a pro. | 0:07:04 | 0:07:08 | |
I can't write songs to order. | 0:07:08 | 0:07:11 | |
To me, songwriters are guys that somebody calls up and says, | 0:07:11 | 0:07:14 | |
"We need a song for Gone With The Wind | 0:07:14 | 0:07:16 | |
"or Over The Rainbow", or something, | 0:07:16 | 0:07:19 | |
and the guys can go to work and do that. | 0:07:19 | 0:07:23 | |
I can't do that. Songs have to come to me. | 0:07:23 | 0:07:27 | |
I can't manufacture things. | 0:07:27 | 0:07:29 | |
I can't... | 0:07:29 | 0:07:31 | |
I'm too lazy. | 0:07:31 | 0:07:33 | |
Hoagy Carmichael. | 0:07:35 | 0:07:36 | |
There was a great songwriter. | 0:07:37 | 0:07:40 | |
He is in a couple of Warner Brothers movies | 0:07:40 | 0:07:43 | |
with Bogart and Bacall. | 0:07:43 | 0:07:45 | |
I think you can check him out best on To Have And Have Not. | 0:07:48 | 0:07:53 | |
# Am I blue? | 0:07:53 | 0:07:57 | |
# Ain't these tears in my eyes telling you? | 0:07:57 | 0:08:04 | |
# Am I blue? | 0:08:04 | 0:08:07 | |
# You'd be, too | 0:08:07 | 0:08:10 | |
# If each plan with your man | 0:08:10 | 0:08:13 | |
# Done fell through | 0:08:13 | 0:08:16 | |
# Was a time | 0:08:16 | 0:08:20 | |
# I was his only one | 0:08:20 | 0:08:23 | |
# But now I'm the sad and lonely one | 0:08:23 | 0:08:28 | |
# So lonely | 0:08:28 | 0:08:30 | |
# Was I gay, till today | 0:08:30 | 0:08:36 | |
# Now he's gone and we're through | 0:08:36 | 0:08:39 | |
# Am I blue... # | 0:08:39 | 0:08:42 | |
Take over. | 0:08:42 | 0:08:43 | |
# Was the time... | 0:08:43 | 0:08:45 | |
# I was his only one | 0:08:45 | 0:08:49 | |
# But now I'm... | 0:08:49 | 0:08:52 | |
# The sad and lonely one So lonely | 0:08:52 | 0:08:55 | |
# Was I gay Was I gay | 0:08:55 | 0:08:59 | |
# Till today Till today | 0:08:59 | 0:09:02 | |
# Now she's gone and we're through Baby... | 0:09:02 | 0:09:05 | |
# Am I blue | 0:09:05 | 0:09:07 | |
ALL: # Am I blue. # | 0:09:10 | 0:09:13 | |
I was in Barbados and the maid comes out of the house | 0:09:13 | 0:09:19 | |
and says, "There's a Mr Carmichael on the phone." | 0:09:19 | 0:09:24 | |
And, I mean, it went right by me. | 0:09:26 | 0:09:28 | |
"I don't know any Carmichaels. | 0:09:28 | 0:09:32 | |
"Give it to me anyway." | 0:09:32 | 0:09:34 | |
And it's Hoagy Carmichael. | 0:09:34 | 0:09:36 | |
Wow. | 0:09:36 | 0:09:38 | |
He must've been in his mid-80s, or something like that. | 0:09:38 | 0:09:42 | |
Sammy Khan gave me a little tape | 0:09:43 | 0:09:47 | |
that I'd given another guy, a lawyer, | 0:09:47 | 0:09:50 | |
but somehow Sammy Khan, another great songwriter, | 0:09:50 | 0:09:55 | |
had given it to Hoagy and he said, | 0:09:55 | 0:09:58 | |
"I really love the way you treated Nearness Of You." | 0:09:58 | 0:10:02 | |
It was really... | 0:10:02 | 0:10:04 | |
I think, "Wow..." You know? | 0:10:04 | 0:10:06 | |
"This is Hoagy I'm talking to?" | 0:10:06 | 0:10:09 | |
He said, "Yes, this is Hoagy Carmichael, you know?" | 0:10:09 | 0:10:12 | |
He said, "Where are you? Barbados?" | 0:10:12 | 0:10:15 | |
I said, "Yeah". | 0:10:15 | 0:10:16 | |
He said, "Go down the bar and ask for Corn N' Oil", | 0:10:16 | 0:10:21 | |
which is a really old Barbadian drink. | 0:10:21 | 0:10:26 | |
It is actually rum and falernum, a heavy-duty mix, | 0:10:26 | 0:10:30 | |
but...he told me, "By the way, I've got these other songs", | 0:10:30 | 0:10:36 | |
and then he proceeded to try and sell me... | 0:10:36 | 0:10:38 | |
I said, "I know every song you wrote, man. I know." | 0:10:38 | 0:10:41 | |
HE LAUGHS | 0:10:41 | 0:10:43 | |
But it was amazing. | 0:10:43 | 0:10:44 | |
He was hitting on me, but at the same time, | 0:10:44 | 0:10:47 | |
he'd heard a version that touched him. | 0:10:47 | 0:10:50 | |
That, to me, was a real honour. You know? | 0:10:50 | 0:10:53 | |
Talking about pros here. | 0:10:55 | 0:10:56 | |
You know, I'm just a rock'n'roller. | 0:10:56 | 0:10:59 | |
This guy has been writing songs since the '20s, | 0:10:59 | 0:11:02 | |
you know what I mean? | 0:11:02 | 0:11:03 | |
So, yeah, yeah, it was an extra buzz. | 0:11:04 | 0:11:08 | |
# It's just the nearness of you | 0:11:09 | 0:11:14 | |
# It's not the pale moon that excites me | 0:11:17 | 0:11:23 | |
# Baby | 0:11:23 | 0:11:26 | |
# That thrills and delights me | 0:11:26 | 0:11:29 | |
# Oh, no | 0:11:30 | 0:11:33 | |
# It's just the nearness of you... # | 0:11:34 | 0:11:40 | |
'To know that you can touch people's emotions, | 0:11:43 | 0:11:46 | |
'something that they can't control,' | 0:11:46 | 0:11:48 | |
you can touch them through rhythm, through melody, through harmony... | 0:11:48 | 0:11:53 | |
When you realise that you have written songs over 50 years | 0:11:53 | 0:11:57 | |
and people are still singing them, you know, you start to say, | 0:11:57 | 0:12:02 | |
"Well, maybe...maybe I'm pretty good at it." | 0:12:02 | 0:12:05 | |
You know, to be a minstrel, | 0:12:05 | 0:12:09 | |
especially a fairly successful one, is a good feeling. Hmm? | 0:12:09 | 0:12:16 | |
How is it to have people say, "You're great", all the time? | 0:12:16 | 0:12:20 | |
I tell you, you can get used to it, and you say, | 0:12:20 | 0:12:22 | |
"Yeah, pull the other one, it's got bells on." | 0:12:22 | 0:12:25 | |
CHIMING | 0:12:25 | 0:12:29 | |
The most time, I take it as very, sort of, heartfelt | 0:12:29 | 0:12:32 | |
and..."Thank you." | 0:12:32 | 0:12:34 | |
You know? | 0:12:34 | 0:12:36 | |
"Thanks for liking it." | 0:12:36 | 0:12:38 | |
You only make music for other people to enjoy. | 0:12:38 | 0:12:43 | |
We got one more we're going to do | 0:12:44 | 0:12:46 | |
and then we're going to call up everybody. | 0:12:46 | 0:12:47 | |
I've got my mojo working, woman. You hear me? | 0:12:47 | 0:12:50 | |
MUSIC: Got My Mojo Working by Muddy Waters | 0:12:50 | 0:12:53 | |
# Got my mojo working but it just don't work on you | 0:13:13 | 0:13:18 | |
# Got my mojo working but it just don't work on you | 0:13:20 | 0:13:25 | |
# I wanna love you so bad till I don't know what to do | 0:13:28 | 0:13:33 | |
# I'm going down to Louisiana to get me a mojo hand | 0:13:36 | 0:13:40 | |
# I'm going down to Louisiana to get me a mojo hand | 0:13:43 | 0:13:48 | |
# I'm gonna have all you women right here under my command | 0:13:51 | 0:13:56 | |
# Got my mojo working | 0:13:58 | 0:14:00 | |
# Got my mojo working | 0:14:00 | 0:14:02 | |
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# Got my mojo working | 0:14:10 | 0:14:12 | |
# Got my mojo working | 0:14:12 | 0:14:14 | |
# Got my mojo working but it just don't work on you... # | 0:14:14 | 0:14:19 | |
Lay it on me, son! | 0:14:19 | 0:14:21 | |
# ..I got a gypsy woman givin' me advice | 0:15:05 | 0:15:09 | |
# I got a gypsy woman givin' me advice | 0:15:12 | 0:15:16 | |
# I got a whole lotta tricks keepin' her on ice | 0:15:19 | 0:15:25 | |
# Got my mojo working | 0:15:26 | 0:15:28 | |
# Got my mojo working | 0:15:28 | 0:15:30 | |
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# Got my mojo working | 0:15:33 | 0:15:35 | |
# Got my mojo working | 0:15:35 | 0:15:37 | |
# Got my mojo working | 0:15:37 | 0:15:39 | |
# Got my mojo working | 0:15:39 | 0:15:40 | |
# Got my mojo working but it just don't work on you | 0:15:40 | 0:15:45 | |
# Got my mojo working | 0:15:47 | 0:15:49 | |
# Got my mojo working | 0:15:49 | 0:15:51 | |
# Brrr...working | 0:15:51 | 0:15:53 | |
# Got my mojo working | 0:15:53 | 0:15:55 | |
# Got my mojo working | 0:15:55 | 0:15:56 | |
# Got my mojo working | 0:15:56 | 0:15:58 | |
# Got my mojo working | 0:15:58 | 0:16:00 | |
# Got my mojo working | 0:16:00 | 0:16:02 | |
# Got my mojo working but it just don't work on you | 0:16:02 | 0:16:07 | |
# Oh! | 0:16:07 | 0:16:09 | |
# Got my mojo working | 0:16:30 | 0:16:32 | |
# Got my mojo working | 0:16:32 | 0:16:34 | |
# Got my mojo working | 0:16:34 | 0:16:35 | |
# Got my mojo working | 0:16:35 | 0:16:37 | |
# Brrr... Working | 0:16:37 | 0:16:39 | |
# Got my mojo working | 0:16:39 | 0:16:41 | |
# Got my mojo working | 0:16:41 | 0:16:42 | |
# Got my mojo working | 0:16:42 | 0:16:44 | |
# Got my mojo working but it just don't work on you... # | 0:16:44 | 0:16:50 | |
CHEERING AND APPLAUSE | 0:16:56 | 0:17:00 | |
WILD CHEERING AND WHISTLING | 0:17:05 | 0:17:07 | |
# Got my mojo working but it just don't work on you | 0:17:24 | 0:17:28 | |
# Got my mojo working but it just don't work on you | 0:17:31 | 0:17:36 | |
# I wanna love you so bad till I don't know what to do | 0:17:39 | 0:17:44 | |
# I'm going down to Louisiana to get me a mojo hand | 0:17:46 | 0:17:51 | |
# I'm going down to Louisiana to get me a mojo hand | 0:17:53 | 0:17:58 | |
# I'm gonna have all you women right here under my command | 0:18:00 | 0:18:05 | |
# Got my mojo working | 0:18:08 | 0:18:09 | |
# Got my mojo working | 0:18:09 | 0:18:11 | |
# Got my mojo working | 0:18:11 | 0:18:13 | |
# Got my mojo working | 0:18:13 | 0:18:15 | |
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# Got my mojo working | 0:18:18 | 0:18:20 | |
# Got my mojo working | 0:18:20 | 0:18:22 | |
# Got my mojo working but it just don't work on you... # | 0:18:22 | 0:18:27 | |
Lay it on me! | 0:18:27 | 0:18:29 | |
# Got my mojo working | 0:19:12 | 0:19:14 | |
# Got my mojo working | 0:19:14 | 0:19:15 | |
# Got my mojo working | 0:19:15 | 0:19:17 | |
# Got my mojo working | 0:19:17 | 0:19:19 | |
# Got my brrr...working | 0:19:19 | 0:19:21 | |
# Got my mojo working | 0:19:21 | 0:19:22 | |
# Got my mojo working | 0:19:22 | 0:19:24 | |
# Got my mojo working | 0:19:24 | 0:19:26 | |
# Got my mojo working but it just don't work you. # | 0:19:26 | 0:19:31 | |
CHEERING AND APPLAUSE | 0:19:43 | 0:19:44 | |
You know...thankful that I did get to see old London | 0:20:03 | 0:20:07 | |
before they put up the Cucumbers and everything. | 0:20:07 | 0:20:10 | |
Not that I don't like the Cucumber. | 0:20:10 | 0:20:12 | |
The horse shit was the essence of growing up in those times. | 0:20:25 | 0:20:30 | |
It was unique, you know, | 0:20:30 | 0:20:33 | |
and I'll probably never smell it again. | 0:20:33 | 0:20:36 | |
Unless somebody makes it up. | 0:20:36 | 0:20:38 | |
I'd buy a few horses, let them crap all over the place, | 0:20:38 | 0:20:42 | |
just to get the essence of the old town, you know? | 0:20:42 | 0:20:47 | |
BOOM! | 0:20:47 | 0:20:48 | |
That was London to me. Old London. Yeah. | 0:20:53 | 0:20:56 |