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This programme contains very strong language.

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This programme contains scenes which some viewers may find upsetting.

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POLICE RADIO CHATTER

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When I got there, they had the scene very well secured.

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They had the entire block taped off.

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Front door wide open, a little music playing

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in the background, candles are lit inside.

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Very violent confrontation. Rage.

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Two victims, blood everywhere.

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We find a glove - it's a left glove - and a blood trail indicating the

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suspect has been wounded on the left side.

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So we're just getting into this when we

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find out that this is apparently OJ Simpson's estranged wife.

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We have two children asleep.

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I have a very brutal murder.

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Someone has got to make a death notification of next of kin...

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which is Simpson.

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Lang and Vannatter were talking,

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and they called me over and said,

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"You were at Simpson's house once, right?

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"We want you to take us up there."

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We pull close to the gate.

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Vannatter was hitting the doorbell,

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they keep ringing the doorbell, and so I just stroll down the street.

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By the other gate, there's a white Bronco.

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On the driver's side door handle, blood.

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I mean, there was enough evidence outside -

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"We got to make sure everybody's OK in here."

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"Oh, God, what are we going to do? Simpson's in there dead."

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Well, yeah, we need to go in.

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So I jumped up over the fence and I opened the gate.

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Bang on the front door. Nothing.

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We walk around to the back, there's a couple of bungalows.

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The first one was Kato Kaelin's. Kato Kaelin was a live-in...

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..friend.

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We say to the police, "Check on Mr Simpson."

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"OJ's in Chicago. Well, he left last night."

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"Oh, thank God."

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They all leave, and I'm left here with Kato Kaelin.

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I go, "Tell me what you did last night."

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He goes, "Well, I was talking on the phone

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"and all a sudden there was, like, an earthquake.

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-"It was just like...

-POUNDING

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"..on the wall, and the pictures shook."

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OK.

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I walk back outside and I start walking

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down the back, behind the bungalows.

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And then, as I pan down,

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..I see this brown, glistening...

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At first I thought it was dog crap.

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And then I shine the light on it, and it was a glove.

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Just like the one... Ed Bundy...

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"Yeah, this is going to get deep. This is going to be a crime scene."

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I make the decision to make a telephonic

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to the Brown family, and I talk to Lou Brown

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and say that your daughter Nicole is dead.

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It's quiet for about two seconds, and then

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all this screaming. It's Nicole's sister, Denise.

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"I knew that motherfucker, he was going to kill,

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"I knew he was going to do this." I mean, she didn't hesitate.

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Nobody comes unglued like that unless they have a strong suspicion.

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We got to look at it a little differently now.

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We lock everything down, no more searching,

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can't do anything until we get a warrant.

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Phil Vannatter called me and said,

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"I've got some information. I need to get a search warrant.

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"I need you to tell me if you think it sounds OK."

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And he just summarised the evidence, and it was huge.

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"OK, yeah, go ahead, get the search warrant, you're fine."

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And he said, "You know who it is?

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"It's OJ Simpson."

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"OJ Simpson? Um..."

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I was never into sports, so I didn't even know what game he played.

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I thought he was a has-been.

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Monday afternoon came around,

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Simpson came back from Chicago and they handcuff him.

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It was...

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quite surprising.

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Your ex-husband's always a suspect in a case.

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"OK. Wow!"

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-LAUGHING

-"Here we go."

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He said he was going to talk to us, which is really strange.

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You have one opportunity forever

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to talk to this guy, forever.

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He's thinking he can control a couple of cops,

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especially these guys, cos, you know, they're pretty nice.

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What Vannatter and Lang failed to do was

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simply to pin him down on what he did on the day of the murder.

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OJ just rambled and created an interview

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transcript that was useless to the prosecution.

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"What do you mean, you were running around doing what you do?

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"What do you mean?"

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"What do you mean, you cut yourself in Chicago

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"but the blood got on the Bronco before you left? What do you mean?"

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There's a million things that they just let go.

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"Yeah, uh-huh, yeah, uh-huh."

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Oh, my God!

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What I wanted was his blood, photographs

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taken of the bleeding finger, I wanted his

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fingerprints now that we've got his cooperation.

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We get the blood, we get all these things

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we want which are going to be evidence.

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And then, you know, he's released.

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What? Why would you do that?

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If he was any other guy, would you have let him go?

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And they said, "Where can he go? After all, what can he do?

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"I mean, everybody recognises him."

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When I went over to Rockingham, he had, like, three TVs,

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and each and every one of them, he had a different channel on.

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NEWSREADERS AND REPORTERS ALL TALKING AT ONCE

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"'Suspect'? What are you talking about? Is he crazy?"

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And I said, "OJ, what happened to your finger?"

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And he says, "I cut it on a glass in Chicago."

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And I went, "Oh, OK."

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Somebody else sat down and asked him the same question,

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and he said, "I was chipping golf balls."

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And I went, "Uh-huh..." Later on that evening,

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same question came out.

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"Oh, I was getting the cellphone out of the Bronco, cut myself."

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I was like, "Wow."

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I tried to leave there and OJ goes, "Shipp, hold on."

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He says, "They asked me to take a lie detector test. I told them no."

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I said, "What do you mean, you told them no?"

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And he says, you know, jokingly, he says,

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"Well, you know, to be truthful, Shipp,

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"I have had dreams of killing her."

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I wanted to leave.

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I said, "This... I'm... I'm out of here."

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-REPORTER:

-Here, at OJ Simpson's home,

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in the fashionable suburb of Brentwood,

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the world media has settled in to the siege.

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Against this public backdrop,

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police are quietly, methodically reconstructing

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the events of last Sunday evening to answer the question,

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"Could this American sports hero possibly be a murderer?"

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At the time that this murder took place,

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OJ was at home, awaiting a limousine to take him to the airport

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for a promotional event in Chicago.

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-REPORTER:

-OJ Simpson has described him as his quarterback.

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He is defence attorney Robert Shapiro.

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I agree with that assessment.

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He was known as the fixer. He was a Hollywood lawyer.

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He was not known as a "trial dogg" with two Gs.

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You hired Bob Shapiro to cut a deal.

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Bob had never tried a murder case. And so when he called me in June

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and said, "I need some help in the OJ case," I was more than ready.

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Well, I worked for Bob Shapiro on some of his other cases

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and I was pretty successful.

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So they recruited me as a defence investigator.

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OJ was putting together his team. They sent a guy over to me.

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"Hey, man, we're putting together this thing."

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"We're going to need you. OJ needs you."

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And I said, "I'm not on board."

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And I'll never forget that investigator's look on his face.

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He says, "What?" I said, "OJ killed her. I'm not on board."

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I got to say, I had a lot of fun with her.

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At times, I felt like a big brother to her cos

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I'd come over there and she'd share things with me.

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And I kind of felt special that she

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thought enough of me to tell me her problems.

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She's a great human being. Thank you.

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APPLAUSE

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I remember early in...

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..in the years that her and OJ was dating,

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we were all down in the Caribbean.

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OJ was working on a film, and if a lot of you don't know,

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I'm going to let you know now, blacks cannot swim, we can't float.

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LAUGHTER

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Justin can!

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Well, thank God. Well, he got that from his mom.

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So, we're out in the saltwater, all right?

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And Nicole is out there looking like, you know,

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she was made to swim, she's backstroking and

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she's doing all these things.

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So, here's OJ and I, we're standing on the shore and she's waving us in.

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LAUGHTER

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Now, this is saltwater, in the Caribbean.

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Everything down there floats.

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OJ and I got out there and we tried to float,

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and she thought that's the funniest thing she'd ever seen in her life.

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She could not believe it. And one of the things about Nicole,

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which all of you will agree, was Nicole's laugh.

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Once that woman laughed, she was, uh...

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-TEARFULLY:

-..she brought out a lot of goodness in you.

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Nicole was very, very special to me. That was my buddy. And, um...

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And I know, Sydney and Justin...

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..you've been blessed because of a lot

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of her character and the goodness about her.

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You're not going to notice it now,

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but you're going to notice it as you get older

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cos she's laid a great foundation for you two.

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I love you, Nicole, and I love you, too, Jason...

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I mean Justin and Sydney

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and I'll always will be there for you.

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APPLAUSE

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OJ Simpson may soon face legal action.

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The Associated Press says a homicide detective

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has told them Simpson's arrest is imminent.

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It is not only OJ Simpson's life

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that is coming under the media microscope.

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Reporters are looking, too, at Ronald Goldman,

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the aspiring model, who was killed with Nicole Simpson.

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His family said he was nothing more than a friend.

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He was a special human being...

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..that didn't deserve what's happened.

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He was going to open a restaurant.

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After Ron was murdered, we went to his apartment.

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He had a floor plan, he had a menu,

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he had names of people whose art he was going to hang on the wall.

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He had everything worked out.

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Obviously, this is your older brother.

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We don't get to spend very much time together,

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so I'm very glad that I was able to be here.

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So, I love you very much and I'll see you soon.

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That was all taken away.

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My sister's body was going to be behind closed doors.

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I said to my friend, "I can't go in there."

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And as I'm having this conversation with them I'm hearing screams.

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Looking at her, I can remember a black

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dress up to her neck because...

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..what I had heard is that her head

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was almost cut off all the way...

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which even shocked me more and more.

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I mean, that was just, like...

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And seeing her there, lying there in a coffin -

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I mean, it really... I mean...

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I don't know, it was just terrible.

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And he came to the wake.

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It was just...unbelievable.

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We were all kind of in shock that he came there.

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Judy asked him directly, "Did you kill my daughter?"

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"No, no. I loved her too much."

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He was, like, on Xanax or something. He was just sedated.

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I leaned over to him and I said, "We're going to get through this."

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I had no idea what was going on.

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Action News has learned that Simpson's attorney is working on

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a deal with police for Simpson's surrender to avoid what the

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lawyer calls, and we quote, "a media circus".

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Shapiro was going to surrender him to the detectives in the morning.

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We're standing outside Parker Center waiting for OJ to turn himself in.

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Every time a car would pass by, "Is that OJ?"

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I think it was 11 o'clock.

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Oh, no, he doesn't show up.

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I think I'd already scheduled the press conference.

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And it's like, "Oh, no.

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"We potentially could look like a bunch of clowns here."

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I did not know about the arrangements for his surrender.

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I went with the assumption that they'd announce he was arrested.

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Gascon's coming up.

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Looking out at the auditorium, not only are all the seats taken,

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but all the aisles are jammed,

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the front is jammed, the back wall's jammed.

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He's on the stage.

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And I was the one that was going to have to stand out there naked.

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This morning, detectives from the Los Angeles

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Police Department sought and obtained a warrant

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for the arrest of OJ Simpson, charging him

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with the murders of Nicole Brown Simpson and Ronald Lyle Goldman.

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Mr Simpson, in agreement with his attorney...

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..was scheduled to surrender this morning,

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to the Los Angeles Police Department.

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Initially, that was 11 o'clock.

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It then became 11:45.

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Mr Simpson has not appeared.

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The Los Angeles Police Department, right now,

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is actively searching for Mr Simpson.

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PEOPLE GASP

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The gasp that went through the room, I think it's right at that moment,

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that I realised, "Oh, boy, this is big."

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We will continue our pursuit of Mr Simpson

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and hope to have him in custody...soon.

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He's gone.

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I looked at Marika and I said, "It's a helicopter story now.

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"Let's find this son of a bitch."

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I can take a few questions.

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EVERYONE SPEAKS AT ONCE

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I'd known Gascon for a long time

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and he's a fairly easygoing guy, normally.

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You have to hold it down.

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One at a time or I won't be able to hear you.

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He's got a nice sense of humour, he's got a light touch.

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You asked a question. Would you like for me to answer?

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He got pretty tightly wound that day.

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I doubt that there's anyone around this country

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that's been monitoring television, radio

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or newspapers that doesn't know at this point

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that something's going on in this case.

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If you, in any way, are assisting Mr Simpson

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in avoiding justice... Mr Simpson is a fugitive of

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justice right now,

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and if you assist him in any way,

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YOU are committing a felony.

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I was pissed off that we were, in essence,

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given the old Italian gesture.

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I don't recall being that upset before in the DA's office.

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I'm angry, I'm not embarrassed.

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Angry at who, beyond...?

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I'm angry at OJ Simpson.

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POLICE RADIO

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First name, spelling

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Oscar Romeo Echo November Tango Hotel Alpha Lima.

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It is not an escape. He was not under arrest.

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He was under sedation in a very, very emotional state.

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He was at a residence that is secluded,

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that is very, very hard to find,

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and there was never any thought of him

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leaving that residence without us.

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This letter was written by OJ today.

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"First, everyone understand,

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"I had nothing to do with Nicole's murder.

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"I loved her, always have and always will.

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"If we had a problem, it's because I loved her so much."

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It's 17:00, 5pm, when you have Kardashian reading the letter.

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I thought, "Wow, maybe he killed himself."

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"I think of my life and feel I've done most

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"of the right things, so why do I end up like this?

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"I can't go on. No matter what the outcome,

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"people will look and point. I can't take that.

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"I can't subject my children to that."

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We deal with folks who are in crisis

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and get to a very dark place and they just do it.

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"Don't feel sorry for me.

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"I've had a great life, great friends.

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"Please think of the real OJ and not this lost person."

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The note says, to me, "Feel sorry for me, but...

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"..I'm the guy," you know, "I'm the bad guy."

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He was. Mr Cawlings was with him,

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he was his best friend, he was by his side

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for the last few minutes alone while we were upstairs.

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AC just had a love for OJ.

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I remember once, in high school, a friend of mine had a starter

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pistol that he brought to school.

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So we said, "OK, let's go, take the gun and pull it on OJ

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"and act like we're going to shoot him." We were all down for it.

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So we went out on the field where OJ and Al were,

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and my friend, Ray, well, he pulled the gun out

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and everybody sort of stepped back.

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And Al Cowlings stepped in front of OJ

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and said, "Ray, if you going to shoot OJ,

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"you got to shoot me first."

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POLICE RADIOS

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1993 Ford Bronco.

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We're listening to the Los Angeles Police Department

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and they believe that this vehicle

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is somewhere in the vicinity of the El Toro Y.

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And I look down below and there's the El Toro Y.

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And there's a white Bronco.

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Then there's a sheriff's unit and

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there's another sheriff's unit and another sheriff's unit.

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OK, here we are, open the door.

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We get the door open and we get our very first shots.

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And I'm back on the two-way radio

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telling CBS, "You got to get us on the air, we found him!"

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I want a husband who loves me...

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And with a flip of the switch, we were on with Dan Rather.

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This is Dan Rather with Connie Chung

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in Los Angeles, and let's hold on a second here.

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I'm seeing on the monitor this live helicopter

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coverage of the Ford Bronco being followed by the police.

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And let's pick up some of the transmission from the helicopter.

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They believe he's suicidal and very dangerous.

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Unfortunately, at this time it does not

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appear as though the driver is slowing down

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or complying with the orders of the officers.

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We were on the air exclusively for 22 minutes,

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and this was the most conflicted I had every been.

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The gravity of the murder, I mean,

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this is a double homicide and this is a tragic story.

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Very few human beings fall as far as OJ Simpson.

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I've fallen quite a bit transitioning. You know,

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you go from being, like, a hero pilot to some tranny,

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you know, so I've fallen somewhat myself, but

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this is, like, an epic fall.

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And I'm weighing the consequences of this with

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also the biggest news story, like, ever.

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I'm going to use a pair of binoculars to try to determine

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whether or not I can see Mr Simpson.

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Fuck NBC, fuck ABC, fuck those guys.

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I hope they shoot this son of a bitch.

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And I hope they kill him before the competitors get here.

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PHONE RINGS

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911, what are you reporting?

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This is AC. I have OJ in the car.

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OK, where are you?

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Please, I'm coming up the 5 freeway.

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-OK.

-Right now, we are OK.

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But you got to tell the police just to back off.

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He's still alive, but he's got a gun to his head.

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-OK, hold on a minute. Monica?

-He just wants to see his mother.

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-Let me get him to the house.

-OK, hold on a moment.

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OK, what's your name?

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My name is AC. You know who I am, God dammit.

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OK.

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Right now, OJ's sitting there in the passenger seat with

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a gun pointed at his own head.

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Somebody turned the TV on and there he is.

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14 units of the Orange County Sheriff's

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Department and Highway Patrol following behind a good distance.

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Oh, my God, this isn't real, this can't be real.

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We're dumbfounded. Law enforcement is following Simpson.

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They want him to stop.

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Red lights and siren. It's not an escort.

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Why are they allowing him to continue?

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Really, the game plan is really being conducted by Mr Simpson

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at this point, and it's very much like

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when the President travels down a major thoroughfare, like a freeway.

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I was wondering, OK, maybe around the next curve they've got it marked

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off and they're going to force the stop.

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It wasn't like they were going 100 miles an hour.

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But I'm not a police tactician. That was their call.

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I've covered so many of these things.

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This was not usual police behaviour.

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If OJ Simpson were black, that shit wouldn't have happened.

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He'd be on the ground getting clubbed.

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But since he transcended race and colour

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to this exalted status of celebrity,

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he got a motorcade.

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This is not a chase, this is basically an accompaniment.

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Nobody is doing anything.

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So I'm talking to Eddie Jo Fairbanks in the DA's office.

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She said, "Well, I happen to have his cell number. Would you like it?"

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HE LAUGHS

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PHONE RINGS

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-You there?

-Just let me get to my house.

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-OK, we're going to do that.

-I swear to you I'll give you...

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-I'll give you me, I'll give you my whole body.

-OK...

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-I just need to get to my house.

-OK, we're going to do that.

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-Just throw the gun out the window.

-I can't do that.

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We're not going to bother you, we'll let you go there.

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Just throw it out this window, please, you're scaring everybody.

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This is not to keep you guys away from me, this is for me.

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-I know that. Nobody's going to hurt you.

-This is for me.

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He's trying, in my mind, to imply he's going to commit suicide,

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but he's not saying that. So I'm playing along with that.

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MOANING

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Hey, everybody loves you. Don't do this.

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Just throw it out the window and nobody's going to get hurt.

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You've got a guy here that's... I don't know where his mind is.

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I really believe that he killed two people.

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And now he's got a loaded gun, and he's being chased by cops.

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Is he going to start shooting at the cops?

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Is he going to shoot at AC and kill...?

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Is he going to blow his own brains out?

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I do know if I can engage him in a conversation it's

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going to temporarily at least take his mind off of the gun.

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I'm the only one that deserves this.

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No, you don't deserve that. You do not deserve to get hurt.

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-Don't do this.

-All I did was love Nicole. All I did was love her.

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-I understand.

-I love everybody, I've tried to show everybody

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my whole life that I love everybody.

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We know that. And everybody loves you.

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-Your kids need you.

-I've already said goodbye to my kids.

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-You're going to hurt everybody.

-I'm just going to have to see.

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-No, don't.

-I'm going to go with Nicole. That's all I'm going to do.

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-That's all I'm trying to do.

-Think about everybody else, all right?

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I couldn't on the freeway. I couldn't do it in a field.

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I want to do it at her grave. I want to do it at my house.

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You going to go to the house?

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We were told he was going to the Rockingham location.

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And that's all we were told.

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If they requested Swat to handle something,

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that's because they can't handle it themselves.

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I was told, "You're going to do the talking,

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"you're going to be the negotiator."

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Drive time from downtown to the west side

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-was going to take 30, 40 minutes.

-We were trying to beat him.

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They were pressuring us. "He's pretty close."

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We were estimating that we were about ten minutes ahead.

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The last thing that we want is for him to get there before us,

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because now we're going to lose control.

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And we're on the freeway, and on all the overpasses,

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there were people already staged.

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Signs, "Free OJ," "We love you OJ."

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What a bunch of losers.

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I think people realised, "Hey,

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"this is going to be passing my neighbourhood."

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And they wanted to see OJ's last run.

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This was not a sombre event.

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This was one of Los Angeles's largest parties.

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This was lined with people.

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SIRENS WAIL

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And they're running full speed down the street,

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trying to get to the location.

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We're not used to seeing those types of crowds rush in.

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CHANTING: OJ! OJ! OJ! OJ!

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District Attorney of Los Angeles,

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Mr Gil Garcetti, will the fact that he has fled

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make things worse for him?

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Any time you have an accused who leaves,

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that and the fact, we believe, shows a consciousness of guilt.

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-CHANTING:

-Free OJ! Free OJ!

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I think earlier in the week, all of us close to OJ

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didn't believe that he had been involved in this.

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And now I think there's a sense of resignation

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and has been for the last 24 hours, and

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we can't believe what's happening - there was nothing ever, ever

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in the past that would indicate

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OJ would be capable of doing what he is doing right now.

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They did let you go?

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They didn't say anything. All of a sudden, they just...

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What was that?

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Yeah.

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Oh, OK. CBS is trying to get you in.

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Now, he's pulling off now, they've just pulled off a main highway.

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-Judy Muller, help us here.

-I can't tell you, looks like

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Santa Monica Freeway, heading... I can't tell you yet.

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-Look at these people rushing to the corner.

-No, it's an exit.

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This word has obviously spread.

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Judy, hang on, look at all these people rushing, waving...

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SIRENS WAIL

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There is an absolutely, utterly macabre nature to all this.

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They've been cheering him on, yelling, "Go, Juice, go."

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Cheering him on?

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He pulled off at Sunset,

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off the 405. He's on his way back toward Brentwood.

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When I got on scene there, I walked toward the residence,

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there was family inside the residence and they were eating.

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Looked like they had, like, a sandwich buffet

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that they were doing and they were watching TV.

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Dining.

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I use that clinical term.

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Nutty.

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SIRENS WAIL

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Both sides of the street

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have pedestrians. He just passed us at Barrington.

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OK, Eric, it's only now probably three minutes at the most, I would

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-say, to his home in Brentwood.

-That's right.

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They're passing the church of Saltaire.

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They are heading right into Brentwood now.

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He's heading to my house.

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LAUGHTER

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He's making a right turn - I assume that's up into Brentwood Park -

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and appears to be on the way to

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either his home or very close to his home.

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We closed the gate on Rockingham.

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We left this one open to force him through

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and make him come into where we wanted him.

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Stay back, everybody!

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There was a sniper team in this house across the street,

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there's a sniper team on top of the roof at the residence.

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And there was one across the street.

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-POLICE RADIO:

-Use your discretion. You take him down if you have to.

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When did you see the kids last, Juice?

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He's pulling up in my driveway.

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I know, I see you, I see you.

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Please, toss the gun. Juice, just toss it.

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He's pulling into his house? Oh, shit.

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I've never seen anything like this. Mr Simpson, OJ, please.

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When we're standing in the threshold there,

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to my right is a television,

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so when the Bronco pulls into the driveway

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I see Bronco, Cawlings, Simpson in the back seat

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and then I look right here and I get the point of view you're seeing.

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-Oh, my goodness gracious.

-He's come home after all of that.

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Just as we're trying to get words out,

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a young man runs up to the driver's side of the door

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and starts hitting at AC Cawlings.

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All right, who is that out there? He's just trying to help.

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He's just trying to help, man.

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Kardashian said, "That's Jason Simpson. That's OJ's son."

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So I told Pete and Rick, I said, "Go out there and get him."

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Moved him out.

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And now we get down to the business that we had designed.

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At this juncture, it's very fragile.

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What exacerbates, what makes it crazy, is the noise.

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You had a helicopter, it seemed like about 50 feet

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off the deck, every car that was in the following

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had their red lights and sirens on.

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If you just take a snapshot,

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you would go, "This is madness, absolute madness."

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I watched that from the newsroom,

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and when I saw a couple of the SWAT officers

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who I recognised run across the shot, I thought,

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"Oh, my God, they're going to kill him in the driveway."

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Just toss it, please. All right?

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Juice, just toss the gun.

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I did not want him to get out of the car with a gun in his hand.

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They'd have dumped him. They would not have had a choice.

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Juice, come on. Juice?

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They resolve most situations peacefully,

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but they are there to finish it one way or another.

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OJ, no. No, OJ.

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Don't. No. Hey, man, don't. Juice, don't do it. Juice!

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Pick it up.

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I'm thinking, "OK, there are a lot of people that are betting on us

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"that we're going to screw this up, that are cynical,

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"that believe that we are a brutal, horrible organisation,"

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and it's just not the case.

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How do they know that the police and the DA didn't make all this

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evidence up to make him act the way that he's acting?

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We were recovering from Rodney King, and it's so important for the people

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to see things that go the right way.

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They so much on the news see things go the wrong way.

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Normally, that wouldn't be on my mind, but that night it was.

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Doors opening.

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That is Al Cawlings.

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-He's quite, quite upset at the moment.

-Yeah.

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Quite emotional here.

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I've got to get Cawlings out. As much as he was trying to help,

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he was interfering in... what I needed to do.

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I needed to speak directly to Mr Simpson,

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to try and keep him from hurting himself,

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and Mr Cawlings was trying to be a go-between.

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He was very worried about his friend.

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He kept asking us, "Please don't hurt him,

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"please don't hurt him, please."

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And he wanted to go back, he wanted to stay with his friend.

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And we wouldn't allow it. We can't.

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Police haven't made any move.

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We understand negotiations are still going on.

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Simpson, you can see him cradling what looks like framed photos,

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but clearly he has the barrel of a weapon under his chin

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and it looks like he's just resting his

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chin on the barrel of the weapon. It was the look of a defeated man.

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They are, according to police scanners,

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talking to OJ on the phone, from inside

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the house, trying to negotiate something.

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I said to him very early on,

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"I don't think your children need to see another tragedy."

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And he immediately changed the subject

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right to about himself. He wouldn't even speak to that.

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I said, "I know where he's coming from."

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There was so much memorabilia and stuff of him everywhere.

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Normally you would see other photos of family members or something else.

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You didn't see those things, it was all him.

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I told Mike Albanis, "Mike, I can talk him into it.

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"We can appeal to his ego enough that he's going to come out for us."

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His voice, in the beginning, was excited, but then it calmed down.

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The more we spoke about him, the more he liked it.

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"We want to show them that you're

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"still the person that you've been all these years,

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"this great football player, this great everything."

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He had asked me to come to the car. I said, "No, you're going to show

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"them yourself just how big and courageous you are.

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"You're going to walk to me and leave the gun in the car,

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"you're going to walk out and show everyone right now.

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"You're going to do this."

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My personal spin, I think he wanted

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to surrender when it was dark...

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so that he wouldn't be seen.

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Night has fallen here over Brentwood.

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He had two picture frames that were cradled in his arms.

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We told him, "Open the door, put your arm out with the frame

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"and the other arm out with the framed photo,

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"so it's clear to everybody, so there's no mistaking."

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Doors open, dome lights on, he's out of the vehicle.

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Kind of just hunches over...

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shuffles six, eight steps to us, and collapses in our arms.

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He goes, "I'm sorry, I was never going to hurt you guys. I'm sorry.

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"I was never going to hurt you guys."

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OJ's in custody. We understand OJ is in custody.

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They're calling a code four - "all clear, all safe".

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Thank you, thank you to God.

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REPORTERS ASK QUESTIONS

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Unbelievable, we saw an incredible situation that's gone on for hours.

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Incredible restraint by the Los Angeles Police Department.

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The officers kept their distance.

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They allowed the SWAT team, the pros,

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to come in, they took their positions.

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He had asked me to stay with him throughout the process.

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I promised him I would stay with him.

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I said, "It's time. I got to handcuff you now.

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"You need to be handcuffed. I'm sorry, this is the way it works."

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SIRENS WAIL

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And as we take off, Simpson is amazed at the crowds.

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He just couldn't believe there was this many people there.

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CHANTING: Free OJ! Free OJ!

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And he said...

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.."What are all these niggers doing in Brentwood?"

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CROWD CHEERING

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And I walk outside and Shapiro's there.

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Shapiro shakes my hand, he says,

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"Thank you for not killing OJ Simpson."

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He grabbed me and went to hug me, and I go, "Let's just..."

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I wasn't in the mood for a hug,

0:47:570:48:00

and maybe I wasn't professional.

0:48:000:48:03

I don't know the frickin' guy, right? And he wants to weep on me?

0:48:060:48:10

Well, this is one nutty day. It really is.

0:48:140:48:17

I said, "I have seen everything in law enforcement.

0:48:170:48:21

"There is nothing else that can top this."

0:48:210:48:23

Later today in Los Angeles, OJ Simpson

0:49:130:49:15

is expected to make his first court appearance.

0:49:150:49:18

OJ has been in jail, under a suicide watch,

0:49:180:49:21

visited only by a psychiatrist and his lawyer.

0:49:210:49:23

Please...

0:49:250:49:26

All right, people.

0:49:320:49:34

Please speak up so you may be heard.

0:49:390:49:42

Uh, yes.

0:49:420:49:43

-Pardon me, I'm sorry.

-May we start all over again?

0:49:440:49:47

Yes.

0:49:470:49:48

He looked a mess.

0:49:510:49:54

He looked like someone who had committed murder.

0:49:540:49:58

There was nothing about the old, smiling Simpson about him that day.

0:49:580:50:02

You're charged with this complaint,

0:50:040:50:06

that you wilfully and unlawfully and with malice

0:50:060:50:08

aforethought murder Nicole Brown Simpson.

0:50:080:50:11

In count two, you are charged with committing the crime

0:50:120:50:15

of murder in violation of penal code section 187,

0:50:150:50:18

in that you wilfully, unlawfully and with malice

0:50:180:50:21

aforethought murder Ronald Lyle Goldman.

0:50:210:50:25

When he initially entered the plea,

0:50:250:50:28

he barely choked it out.

0:50:280:50:30

Not guilty.

0:50:300:50:33

All right, the not guilty plea will

0:50:330:50:35

be entered, the case will be set for a

0:50:350:50:37

preliminary hearing within the statutory period. Recess.

0:50:370:50:41

This case will be handled as every case is handled.

0:50:420:50:45

The case will be thoroughly investigated by top-notch

0:50:450:50:47

investigators, we will present the prosecution

0:50:470:50:51

in a thorough and professional manner.

0:50:510:50:53

I, amongst others, recommended her.

0:50:540:50:56

I was aware of her successes in the courtroom.

0:50:560:50:59

I knew she was a very dynamic trial lawyer...

0:50:590:51:02

I want no-one to forget that Robert Bardo wakes up every morning

0:51:020:51:06

and Rebecca Schaeffer lies buried in a grave in Oregon.

0:51:060:51:10

..worked extraordinarily hard, she was very facile with trace evidence,

0:51:100:51:16

hair, fibre and the like. She was up to speed on DNA.

0:51:160:51:22

She was one of our best trial lawyers.

0:51:220:51:24

I think that with all the questions that we've been getting about the

0:51:240:51:27

public sympathy for Mr Simpson, we should not forget the fact that

0:51:270:51:30

we have two victims who were brutally slain.

0:51:300:51:33

I have to say, it never mattered to me

0:51:330:51:35

who the defendant was, it was a question of who did it.

0:51:350:51:38

Whether they're famous, whether they're not famous,

0:51:380:51:40

they all get the same treatment.

0:51:400:51:43

You are looking at inmate number 4103970, OJ Simpson.

0:51:430:51:50

CAMERA CLICKS

0:51:500:51:52

CELL DOORS SHUT

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I believed he was innocent.

0:52:040:52:06

I was like everybody else, it was incomprehensible

0:52:060:52:09

that my friend could do this.

0:52:090:52:11

I snuck into the jail to see him, and

0:52:130:52:16

there's this guy that was my buddy, and...

0:52:160:52:20

..he looked emaciated.

0:52:210:52:24

He was in an orange jumpsuit,

0:52:240:52:27

and he was shackled to the desk in front of me.

0:52:270:52:31

Then he looked at me on the other side of the Plexiglas

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as close as he could be and said, "I swear to God, I didn't do this."

0:52:390:52:45

I believed him.

0:52:450:52:47

He asked me if I kind of would be the chronicler of the whole thing,

0:52:470:52:51

would I write a book about the whole thing.

0:52:510:52:54

I backed away from that.

0:52:540:52:56

Then, in a moment of ultimate surrealism,

0:52:580:53:02

I'm sitting with OJ...

0:53:020:53:04

..and Lyle Menendez walks behind him.

0:53:050:53:08

And I went, "Shit, this is more than my little pea brain can handle."

0:53:090:53:13

Bob, OJ Simpson is in a Los Angeles jail cell tonight.

0:53:420:53:46

His attorney says he spoke to him today and that Simpson was in tears.

0:53:460:53:50

Now, Cawlings was himself arrested

0:53:500:53:53

on a felony charge of aiding a fugitive.

0:53:530:53:55

-Get away from my

-BLEEP

-house.

-Simpson had 10,000 in cash

0:53:550:53:59

and a passport...

0:53:590:54:00

I love OJ no matter what happens.

0:54:000:54:04

Murder with special circumstances. Death penalty charges.

0:54:040:54:07

The final DNA tests are positive for all intents and purposes.

0:54:070:54:11

OJ Simpson really has no option but to admit he killed them.

0:54:110:54:15

The man who will lead the prosecution

0:54:150:54:16

of the case against OJ Simpson

0:54:160:54:18

is Los Angeles District Attorney Gil Garcetti.

0:54:180:54:20

You said earlier, "It's not going to shock me if we see OJ Simpson

0:54:200:54:24

"sometime down the road say, 'OK,

0:54:240:54:26

"'I did do it, but I'm not responsible.'"

0:54:260:54:29

That sounded like a prosecutor very comfortable with his case.

0:54:290:54:32

I am comfortable with the case. I don't mean to speculate as to what

0:54:320:54:35

the defence is going to be, but I have been a prosecutor for 25 years.

0:54:350:54:38

'The evidence was so overwhelming.'

0:54:380:54:41

There was just no doubt.

0:54:410:54:43

A blood trail that led from Bundy all the way into his bedroom.

0:54:450:54:49

I don't think I'd ever seen

0:54:500:54:52

that much evidence in any single case ever.

0:54:520:54:55

When you couple that with evidence of motivation,

0:54:570:55:01

and that was the history of domestic violence,

0:55:010:55:05

with Simpson physically and

0:55:050:55:07

psychologically abusing Nicole Brown.

0:55:070:55:10

This is my woman.

0:55:100:55:12

This was a domestic violence case that culminated in murder.

0:55:120:55:15

End of story.

0:55:150:55:17

Both sides are going to try to play the publicity their way,

0:55:190:55:22

but because this is a major celebrity,

0:55:220:55:25

probably this is the most famous American ever charged with murder,

0:55:250:55:29

there will not business as usual.

0:55:290:55:31

My former criminal law professor, Alan Dershowitz,

0:55:340:55:37

was part of what would later become known as the dream team,

0:55:370:55:41

OJ Simpson's lawyers.

0:55:410:55:43

So I called up Alan, and I said,

0:55:430:55:44

"You know, what do you think of this case?"

0:55:440:55:47

And he said, "I don't know,

0:55:470:55:50

"but you ought to look into this guy, this cop...

0:55:500:55:53

"..Mark Fuhrman. There's something bad about him."

0:55:540:55:58

I first met Mark during the

0:56:000:56:02

execution of a second search warrant.

0:56:020:56:05

I was impressed. He seemed to have an eye for detail.

0:56:050:56:08

Some of his investigative moves, particularly going up to Rockingham,

0:56:080:56:12

struck me that this is a smart detective.

0:56:120:56:16

Mark Fuhrman, M-A-R-K F-U-H-R-M-A-N.

0:56:160:56:20

When he testified at the preliminary hearing, he did a really good job.

0:56:210:56:24

Blood to the left of a footprint

0:56:240:56:26

would indicate that the person that left

0:56:260:56:28

the scene was bleeding from the left side of his body.

0:56:280:56:32

And the spot on the Bronco could coincide with that injury.

0:56:320:56:36

He was on top of his game. His memory of the search of

0:56:380:56:42

Rockingham was the primary thing, and it was detailed and consistent.

0:56:420:56:47

And why was it that you did not secure the residence

0:56:470:56:50

for a search warrant before finding the glove?

0:56:500:56:53

This is not a situation where we had the time to stand out in the

0:56:540:56:59

street and just wait and wonder. We had to do something.

0:56:590:57:03

I thought, "Maybe this guy Fuhrman has done something wrong.

0:57:060:57:10

"Maybe he's been sued."

0:57:100:57:12

There was this dungeon-like basement in downtown Los Angeles with all

0:57:150:57:22

the records of civil-court filings,

0:57:220:57:24

and I started burrowing through these records

0:57:240:57:27

looking for Mark Fuhrman as a defendant.

0:57:270:57:30

And that's not what I found.

0:57:300:57:33

I found a lawsuit where Mark Fuhrman was the plaintiff.

0:57:330:57:37

He had actually sued the Los Angeles Pension Board

0:57:370:57:43

asking to be relieved as a police officer

0:57:430:57:49

and get a pension because his mind

0:57:490:57:53

was so poisoned by hatred of black people.

0:57:530:57:56

And I thought to myself, "Now that's a story."

0:58:000:58:03

I show up uninvited at Robert Shapiro's office

0:58:070:58:12

and I say, "I've been looking at Mark Fuhrman's file

0:58:120:58:15

"and there's some pretty amazing stuff in there."

0:58:150:58:18

And I remember, to this day, he sort of rocked back in his chair.

0:58:180:58:21

He says, "You saw that?" I said, "Yeah."

0:58:210:58:24

He says, "You think that's bad? We think he planted the glove."

0:58:240:58:28

CAMERA CLICKS

0:58:280:58:30

Fuhrman, according to this article, had used a lot of racial epithets.

0:58:330:58:39

Having that out there

0:58:390:58:41

really brought home the fact we've got a

0:58:410:58:44

dynamic here we're going to have to deal with.

0:58:440:58:47

They found a flaw in me and then they made up a nexus,

0:58:470:58:53

a connection to the flaw to the case.

0:58:530:58:55

I mean, I had a bad couple years...

0:59:000:59:02

..but I came out...

0:59:050:59:09

..better, I came out of it.

0:59:100:59:12

It is what it is.

0:59:160:59:18

That article came out at just about the same time Johnnie Cochran

0:59:200:59:24

was coming aboard the defence team.

0:59:240:59:26

And my thought at the time was, "Here comes the race card."

0:59:260:59:32

GOSPEL MUSIC

0:59:320:59:33

My name is Johnnie L Cochran Jr.

0:59:390:59:41

I am primarily a civil-rights lawyer,

0:59:410:59:45

and I represent a number of clients

0:59:450:59:46

who have had their civil rights abridged.

0:59:460:59:49

He and his firm were central players in this story

0:59:500:59:55

of the LAPD and race in Los Angeles.

0:59:550:59:58

Growing up in America, any African American will tell you that

0:59:581:00:02

we know we have to run faster, jump higher, work harder,

1:00:021:00:06

to do the same thing anyone else has to do.

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APPLAUSE

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Johnnie Cochran was always the icon

1:00:091:00:13

to young black and brown and oppressed people in Los Angeles

1:00:131:00:17

because Johnnie was that young,

1:00:171:00:20

dashing lawyer who took on the police.

1:00:201:00:25

Johnnie Cochran made his name

1:00:251:00:28

as a public lawyer in the Deadwyler case.

1:00:281:00:31

The latest explosion of violence in Watts really began here 11 days ago.

1:00:311:00:37

A negro motorist driving down here

1:00:371:00:38

was rushing his wife to the hospital.

1:00:381:00:40

She was having labour pains.

1:00:401:00:42

They were stopped, stopped by a white patrolman.

1:00:421:00:45

One policeman got out and came around to my side,

1:00:451:00:50

and my husband leaned over me and asked him if he would

1:00:501:00:53

lead him out to the hospital to...care of me.

1:00:531:00:56

And then he...he didn't say anything, and he shot him.

1:00:581:01:03

And he fell over me.

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Mr Cochran would like to know, did you get inside the Deadwyler car

1:01:141:01:18

with the upper part of your body voluntarily?

1:01:181:01:21

Yes, sir.

1:01:211:01:23

Mr Cochran would like to know,

1:01:231:01:25

did you observe any weapons within the Deadwyler car?

1:01:251:01:29

-No, sir, I did not.

-"Mr Cochran wants to know" -

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that became the catchphrase, because

1:01:321:01:34

the lawyer himself could not ask the questions.

1:01:341:01:37

He had to go through the county council.

1:01:371:01:40

Mr Cochran would like to know if you've been trained to keep your

1:01:401:01:43

-weapon away from a suspect.

-Yes, sir.

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Johnnie was, like, 27, 28 years old then. He was a young whippersnapper.

1:01:461:01:51

Mr Cochran would like to know,

1:01:531:01:55

while you were at the Los Angeles police academy,

1:01:551:01:57

did they train you to put your

1:01:571:01:59

upper part of your body inside a car?

1:01:591:02:02

Not specifically that, no.

1:02:041:02:06

Because it was a televised trial...

1:02:141:02:16

..he became a hero to everybody in the South Central community.

1:02:181:02:21

Few people had higher standing, deeper standing.

1:02:261:02:31

Johnnie was always that stalwart defender of justice,

1:02:311:02:36

fighting against the Bastille.

1:02:361:02:39

Each of the defendants across the board were found not guilty of the

1:02:391:02:42

assaults on the police officers.

1:02:421:02:44

Mr Settles was beaten. The booking photos show that.

1:02:441:02:46

I want to know if they had anything to do with his death.

1:02:461:02:49

I want to know whether or not he hung himself

1:02:491:02:51

or whether or not he was hung.

1:02:511:02:53

The only version that you heard of what transpired was what the

1:02:531:02:56

police officers told you, isn't that correct?

1:02:561:02:58

It's not that Johnnie was the only good lawyer for OJ Simpson,

1:03:001:03:02

but I would say that he and his firm

1:03:021:03:05

were the only lawyers that would really understand

1:03:051:03:07

and argue this case in the context of

1:03:071:03:10

the LAPD's relationship to African Americans.

1:03:101:03:14

Now, did he also like a big celebrity trial? You bet.

1:03:141:03:17

Michael Jackson has maintained

1:03:171:03:19

his innocence from the beginning of this matter.

1:03:191:03:22

He still maintains that innocence.

1:03:221:03:25

He was a big character, he was flamboyant.

1:03:251:03:29

-I love you. CHILD:

-Hi, Johnnie!

1:03:291:03:30

-God bless you.

-Thank you.

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We were talking about different styles of lawyering

1:03:321:03:35

and how you make a case to a jury, and he said

1:03:351:03:37

about predominately African American juries,

1:03:371:03:39

he goes, "Jimmy" - which is what he used to call me -

1:03:391:03:41

-he said, "Jimmy, blacks like big."

-LAUGHING

1:03:411:03:43

And he liked to be big.

1:03:431:03:45

My daughter was in the Watts parade, and

1:03:591:04:03

Johnnie Cochran was the grand marshal.

1:04:031:04:07

He said, "I want to see you guys at the trial."

1:04:081:04:12

I hadn't planned to go, but since he asked me,

1:04:141:04:19

I said, "Well, Johnnie wants me to come, and he asked me to come,

1:04:191:04:22

"so I'm coming down here. I'm going to find a way to get here every day.

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OJ Simpson is about to appear in a Los Angeles courtroom.

1:04:301:04:33

He's going to enter a plea, a date for trial is going to be set,

1:04:331:04:36

and a judge to oversee the trial is going to be appointed.

1:04:361:04:41

This is the time set for the arraignment of Mr Simpson.

1:04:411:04:45

Mr Simpson, you are charged with the crime of murder.

1:04:451:04:48

-Are you ready to enter a plea at this time?

-Yes, Your Honour.

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How do you plea to counts one and two?

1:04:511:04:54

Absolutely 100% not guilty.

1:04:541:04:57

That's what I want to hear, you're not guilty.

1:04:571:05:01

He was back on his feet and ready

1:05:011:05:03

to tell the whole world that he was wrongly accused.

1:05:031:05:05

And it was just the biggest bunch of horse shit.

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Thank you, you may be seated.

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But he sold it.

1:05:091:05:11

I gave him a thumbs up. He looked over to me and he waved at me.

1:05:131:05:18

He was very good-looking.

1:05:181:05:21

And that day he was REALLY good-looking.

1:05:211:05:24

I may not have thought he was a big celebrity, but it

1:05:261:05:29

became really clear to me super fast that he was to others.

1:05:291:05:33

OJ Simpson, I really admire the guy. Football, and a great actor.

1:05:331:05:38

OJ Simpson has been a hero of mine since college.

1:05:381:05:41

I think he's a great man and a great hero

1:05:411:05:44

and has touched a lot of lives.

1:05:441:05:46

I don't think he did it.

1:05:471:05:48

He don't seem like that kind of person.

1:05:481:05:52

I'm assigning the case to Judge Lance Ito.

1:05:521:05:56

Judge Ito is a choice that's acceptable to counsel.

1:05:561:06:00

Judge Ito will be acceptable for the People, as well.

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Very well. Thank you. Then that is the assignment.

1:06:031:06:06

Here's the first time we'll really get to see the system,

1:06:061:06:10

to see if it really works

1:06:101:06:12

for someone with some money, a celebrity...

1:06:121:06:16

a well-loved, respected, cherished type of man.

1:06:161:06:20

Now, let's see if justice can work for him.

1:06:201:06:25

There's nothing more important

1:06:381:06:40

during a jury trial than the selection of your jury.

1:06:401:06:44

I mean, you can win or lose your case right there.

1:06:471:06:50

The issue of where to conduct the trial,

1:06:521:06:55

the Santa Monica courthouse, largely white jury pool,

1:06:551:07:00

downtown LA, largely black jury pool.

1:07:011:07:04

Gil Garcetti, the DA, always said,

1:07:051:07:07

"Well, it just logistically had to be downtown."

1:07:071:07:10

A lot of us thought that Gil Garcetti,

1:07:101:07:13

elected official, needed to protect

1:07:131:07:16

his reputation in the black community,

1:07:161:07:18

a big voting block, by keeping the case downtown.

1:07:181:07:22

I'm confident that we can, indeed,

1:07:221:07:26

find white, black, brown, every colour juror

1:07:261:07:29

there is who will, indeed, be fair and impartial.

1:07:291:07:33

I think it would have been societally better,

1:07:331:07:38

from the DA's perspective, to win a conviction downtown

1:07:381:07:42

and to not be accused of having stacked this

1:07:421:07:45

in such a way that whites were to stand in judgment of black men.

1:07:451:07:49

If you have a juror who believes

1:07:521:07:54

the police never do anything wrong, you're in tough shape.

1:07:541:07:58

Certainly, you can find most people

1:07:581:08:01

want to believe their police officers are

1:08:011:08:03

fair and want to do their job and so that's a given, you start with that,

1:08:031:08:07

but you've got to find that person who

1:08:071:08:09

understands that in the real world that doesn't happen all the time.

1:08:091:08:13

We interviewed over 5,000 people in Los Angeles

1:08:151:08:19

in preparation for the OJ Simpson trial.

1:08:191:08:22

The conclusions were that...

1:08:221:08:25

just presenting the straight-up evidence,

1:08:251:08:28

you weren't going to get a lot of

1:08:281:08:30

sympathetic African American females.

1:08:301:08:34

Many harboured a resentment that this famous athlete,

1:08:341:08:38

this charming guy, had married a white, blonde woman

1:08:381:08:42

rather than someone from his own community.

1:08:421:08:46

But the antagonism was to her and not him.

1:08:461:08:50

OJ, you look gorgeous right now.

1:08:501:08:52

How come you're so loyal to this man who married a white woman

1:08:541:08:59

and was dating her while he was married to a black woman?

1:08:591:09:03

I mean, doesn't any of this make you feel a little less defensive of him?

1:09:051:09:11

Marcia Clark had this faith about her ability to connect

1:09:111:09:17

with African American women.

1:09:171:09:20

African American women had been some of my best jurors on previous cases,

1:09:201:09:24

even when the defendant was an African American.

1:09:241:09:27

There was just a way, an easy way I had, that I could talk to them.

1:09:271:09:31

Now we will show you the other side of the smiling face you

1:09:311:09:33

saw on the Hertz commercial...

1:09:331:09:35

We had trial simulations.

1:09:351:09:37

..the one you never saw on camera.

1:09:371:09:39

Marcia was not received positively.

1:09:391:09:44

Marcia Clark, every black woman, "Bitch."

1:09:441:09:48

When they had the mock jury, the mock trial, and some of the comments

1:09:501:09:54

came back about you, about maybe being really hard or tough, what did

1:09:541:09:58

you think when you heard some of that?

1:09:581:09:59

I was very surprised. The balance of them

1:09:591:10:03

said good things, so, you know, the media

1:10:031:10:05

takes one kernel and blows it up into a huge bowl of popcorn.

1:10:051:10:10

Marcia tended to discount the fact that black women jurors didn't

1:10:111:10:16

seem to appreciate her very much.

1:10:161:10:18

'I had no illusions about what I was going to be up against.'

1:10:201:10:24

The odds were stacked against us

1:10:241:10:25

in terms of the African American jurors,

1:10:251:10:27

because that's what the polls showed.

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A California poll released today found that only 10% of blacks

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who were surveyed believed it is very likely that Simpson was guilty.

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The ideal juror would have been

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younger, ie someone not familiar

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with Simpson at the height of his fame, Asian or probably white.

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All we want, just give me 12 fair, responsible, unbiased jurors

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who are going to follow the law and put aside their personal feelings

1:11:001:11:04

and do what the court and the law requires.

1:11:041:11:08

In Los Angeles today, the judge and lawyers

1:11:141:11:17

in the OJ Simpson murder trial began

1:11:171:11:19

interviewing prospective jurors face-to-face.

1:11:191:11:22

Just to set the scene for you, when all of the jurors walk in,

1:11:281:11:33

all the attorneys are lined up like a receiving line,

1:11:331:11:37

and several times during the proceedings,

1:11:371:11:39

OJ Simpson would turn and seem to make eye contact with people

1:11:391:11:43

and occasionally smile at people in the audience.

1:11:431:11:47

The quest for impartial jurors has

1:12:171:12:19

been going on now for more than a month.

1:12:191:12:22

They called me to the chair.

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When I sat down, I didn't even put my purse down,

1:12:311:12:34

because I felt like it was going to be that quick,

1:12:341:12:37

they'd say, "You're excused."

1:12:371:12:38

I'm looking at the list. I know what's coming up.

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I know who's left behind me. I know what I've got in the box.

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I have to look and see am I going to do better or worse.

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There was a process of what I have labelled

1:12:471:12:51

as "reverse Darwinism",

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what I call the survival of the most unfit jurors.

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Many, it seems, want to watch, but fewer wish to serve.

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91 of 219 people summoned for

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Simpson jury duty said in a questionnaire

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a likely six-month trial would be too great a hardship.

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I think it's the only way to assure

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that we are going to have a fair trial for both sides.

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Jurors who were available for six months

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skewed heavily towards a lower socioeconomic

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strata of jurors and a much more diverse jury pool.

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A lot of smart jurors who might have been

1:13:391:13:41

open to DNA scientific evidence simply went by the wayside.

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We didn't have many of our type of juror.

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I thought, "OK, I better quit while I'm behind

1:13:511:13:54

"and not get further behind," because it was

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only going to go downhill from there.

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They said, "Your Honour, we accept,"

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and at that point, I sunk in my chair.

1:14:031:14:07

I was stunned.

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"Oh, my God! Oh, my God!" And I told my daughter,

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and she said, "Oh, Mother, oh, my God."

1:14:141:14:18

Huh! And my son, he said, "Oh, my God, Mother."

1:14:191:14:24

Mm. And that was it.

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In the end, we did the best we could with a bad lot.

1:14:291:14:33

We wound up with eight African American women.

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I thought, "You know, it'll be an uphill battle,

1:14:381:14:41

"but I think they'll listen."

1:14:411:14:44

"Thrilled. We're thrilled."

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We were so stunned

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that we had such a large collection of favourable jurors.

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75% of the actual jurors believed...

1:14:531:14:57

..that he could not have committed these murders

1:14:581:15:01

because he excelled at football at USC.

1:15:011:15:03

The only thing that could get you through sometimes is that guys

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look at each other and say, "Hey, man, we are SC!"

1:15:071:15:09

HE LAUGHS

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We were about to walk into the lockup from the courtroom.

1:15:121:15:17

OJ looked back one last time.

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It was me, Johnnie. We were going back to talk about everything.

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And OJ said, "Guys, if this jury convicts me,

1:15:241:15:29

"maybe I DID do it."

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BIRDSONG

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Now, it's taken seven months to reach this point.

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We are, and I think the client is, really, really pleased, that we

1:16:021:16:05

can have someone stand up and speak to the tryers of fact.

1:16:051:16:09

Time to stop posturing. Let's go to trial.

1:16:101:16:14

Have a good one, everybody.

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Ready?

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Five, four, three, two, one.

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Counsel and the audience, please be seated.

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All right, are both sides prepared to go forward, Mr Cochran?

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-We are, Your Honour.

-Ms Clark?

-Yes, we are, Your Honour.

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All right, do the People wish to make an opening statement?

1:16:371:16:40

Yes, we do.

1:16:401:16:41

All right, you may proceed. Mr Darden? Thank you.

1:16:411:16:44

When we started off,

1:16:471:16:49

the prosecution had their team of lawyers.

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Your Honour Judge Ito, Mr Cochran,

1:16:531:16:56

Mr Shapiro and Dean Allman...

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And here's this new face at the table.

1:16:591:17:01

..and to you ladies and gentlemen of the jury, good morning.

1:17:011:17:05

And I'm like, "Why did they bring him here?"

1:17:051:17:08

And we're here today, obviously, to resolve an issue,

1:17:081:17:13

to settle a question, a question that has been on the minds of

1:17:131:17:17

people throughout the country these last seven months.

1:17:171:17:20

It certainly has been on the mind of my people up in Richmond, California

1:17:201:17:23

and friends in Fayetteville, Georgia and all across the country, and

1:17:231:17:26

everybody wants to know, did OJ Simpson

1:17:261:17:29

really kill Nicole Brown and Ronald Goldman.

1:17:291:17:32

It was apparent to everyone in America...

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why he was now on the case.

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Well, certainly because he was black.

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Because he was a good lawyer.

1:17:461:17:49

"He's a good lawyer, we needed to add to the team,

1:17:491:17:51

"thicken the team up." That's the party line.

1:17:511:17:53

I thought Chris was a very good trial lawyer.

1:17:551:17:59

Any questions for Chris?

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'He was young, he was learning.'

1:18:021:18:04

Come on, man, come on.

1:18:041:18:05

Look at this guy. Come on! We have to drag him over here.

1:18:051:18:09

But he was very good.

1:18:091:18:10

There was a little bit of cockiness,

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but it was not an offensive cockiness.

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I don't care what anybody says. I dress better than Johnnie Cochran.

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LAUGHTER

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Johnnie, I'm going to introduce you to my...

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Well, I'm going to show you the rack where I buy my suits.

1:18:241:18:27

He had a pretty good reputation as someone who could build a case.

1:18:271:18:33

And of course, most notably, Chris was black.

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And, uh...

1:18:381:18:39

Marcia and I were not.

1:18:421:18:44

You hear a lot about this talk about justice.

1:18:461:18:49

I guess Dr Martin Luther King said it best

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when he said that injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere.

1:18:511:18:56

And so we are now embarked upon this search for justice.

1:18:561:19:00

I have to tell you personally, for all the cases I've tried,

1:19:011:19:05

I never felt so white.

1:19:051:19:07

It seems to me that the fact that blood

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mysteriously appears on vital pieces of evidence

1:19:101:19:14

and it's predicted what the results will be regarding DNA

1:19:141:19:18

when that evidence is still in the police lab

1:19:181:19:22

is devastating evidence of something far more sinister.

1:19:221:19:27

Using the concept of a conspiracy, historically,

1:19:271:19:33

in Los Angeles will resonate with diverse jurors

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who know about this history.

1:19:381:19:41

You had to have someone to blame.

1:19:421:19:45

Detective Mark Fuhrman, now, it's very interesting

1:19:471:19:51

that the prosecution never once mentioned his name yesterday.

1:19:511:19:56

It's like they just want to hide him.

1:19:561:19:58

But they can't hide him. He's very much a part of this case.

1:19:581:20:01

Chris Darden saw that this case

1:20:031:20:07

was becoming this weird referendum on the LAPD...

1:20:071:20:13

GLASS BREAKS

1:20:131:20:15

..on the history of race in Los Angeles.

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MAN CRIES OUT

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And Chris, he understood those issues.

1:20:201:20:23

He had worked in what was then our SID unit,

1:20:241:20:27

which investigated police abuse cases.

1:20:271:20:32

They obtained those warrants

1:20:331:20:35

simply to level and make uninhabitable those locations.

1:20:351:20:38

Any of the police officers that were

1:20:381:20:40

called to testify by us lied on the stand.

1:20:401:20:43

It was obvious to everyone that they were lying.

1:20:431:20:46

Every black lawyer idolised Johnnie Cochran in 1994.

1:20:461:20:52

And I say Chris Darden wanted to outJohnnie Johnnie.

1:20:531:20:59

He wanted to beat the man on the biggest stage of his career.

1:21:001:21:07

Police detective Mark Fuhrman,

1:21:131:21:15

did he find or plant a bloody glove at Simpson's estate?

1:21:151:21:19

Judge Lance Ito must soon decide whether the jury gets to hear

1:21:191:21:22

about Detective Fuhrman's chequered past.

1:21:221:21:25

We knew Fuhrman was going to be an important witness.

1:21:271:21:30

People had indicated that he had used racist language

1:21:301:21:33

in an offensive way, in a way that I think jurors

1:21:331:21:37

and everybody else would not like.

1:21:371:21:39

The N word, or any other racial epithet,

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has an inflammatory effect that is incomparable,

1:21:421:21:45

and to that specific issue Mr Darden wishes to address the court, and

1:21:451:21:50

-I think I'll conclude my comments at this time.

-All right, thank you.

1:21:501:21:53

Mr Darden, good morning.

1:21:531:21:55

Good morning, Your Honour.

1:21:551:21:59

Your Honour, I think the best indication

1:21:591:22:00

or evidence of just how inflammatory the use of this word is

1:22:001:22:04

is the fact that it appears that Mr Cochran and I,

1:22:041:22:08

the only two black lead lawyers on each side of the counsel table,

1:22:081:22:12

are somehow dragged into this issue, to argue the issue to the court.

1:22:121:22:16

They used him to make the argument

1:22:161:22:22

that an African American jury

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cannot listen to the utterance of that word

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in some sort of dispassionate, objective way.

1:22:281:22:32

It blinds people.

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It will blind the jury. It will blind them to the truth.

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They won't be able to discern what's true and what's not.

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He hit the nail on the head. He said, "If you do this, you know,

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"then that's all this case is going to be about."

1:22:451:22:48

All they'll think about is "frame-up, frame-up, frame-up".

1:22:481:22:51

All they have to do is mention the word,

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say to Mark Fuhrman, "Hey, did you ever

1:22:531:22:55

"use that N word?", and he'll say, "Yeah," and it's over,

1:22:551:22:57

he must have planted the glove.

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I remember whispering to Johnnie,

1:23:001:23:03

"Is this nigger serious?"

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And I'm not saying Mark Fuhrman is a racist.

1:23:051:23:07

"Is this nigger crazy?"

1:23:071:23:08

He was suffering from stress, and it has to be stressful to be a

1:23:081:23:11

police officer in the city of LA - jeez, the stuff that's going on

1:23:111:23:13

in this city in the last five to six years.

1:23:131:23:17

"Is he serious?

1:23:171:23:18

"Or is he just carrying the white man's bucket?"

1:23:191:23:22

It will give them a test, and the test will be whose side are you on,

1:23:221:23:25

the side of the white prosecutors and the white policemen

1:23:251:23:28

or are you on the side of the black defendant and

1:23:281:23:31

his very prominent and capable black lawyer.

1:23:311:23:34

That's what it's going to do - either you're

1:23:341:23:36

with the man or you're with the brothers.

1:23:361:23:39

I must say, and this is one of those bracing moments - this is why

1:23:411:23:44

you need diversity in newsrooms, by the way -

1:23:441:23:47

that I came out of there thinking Darden made a pretty good point,

1:23:471:23:50

that it's such a shocking word

1:23:501:23:52

that I found myself flinching at the use of it.

1:23:521:23:55

My colleague Andrea Ford, an African American woman,

1:23:551:23:58

was outraged.

1:23:581:24:00

She felt it really was insulting to blacks, to African Americans,

1:24:001:24:04

to think that they couldn't hear the word and give it the proper weight.

1:24:041:24:08

And I remember thinking, after talking to Andrea,

1:24:081:24:11

"Wow, that didn't really occur to me."

1:24:111:24:14

It is a reminder that who we are

1:24:141:24:16

and how we're brought up does affect the way we hear things.

1:24:161:24:19

Thank you very much, Judge Ito. I have a funeral to attend today, but

1:24:191:24:22

I would be remiss were I not at this time

1:24:221:24:26

to take this opportunity to respond to my good friend Mr Chris Darden.

1:24:261:24:29

When Johnnie gets angry, which is very rare,

1:24:291:24:33

you know, he's remarkably articulate and good.

1:24:331:24:37

Johnnie got angry that day.

1:24:371:24:39

His remarks this morning are perhaps the most incredible remarks

1:24:391:24:43

I've heard in a court of law in the 32 years I've been practising law.

1:24:431:24:48

His remarks are demeaning to African Americans as a group.

1:24:481:24:53

And so I want, before I go to this funeral,

1:24:541:24:58

to apologise to African Americans across this country.

1:24:581:25:01

African Americans live with offensive words,

1:25:011:25:04

offensive looks, offensive treatment every day of their lives.

1:25:041:25:08

To say they can't be fair is absolutely outrageous.

1:25:091:25:13

I am ashamed

1:25:131:25:16

that Mr Darden would allow himself to become an apologist for this man.

1:25:161:25:20

You can't justify that in a civilised society.

1:25:211:25:26

Nobody wants to introduce race into this case, Your Honour.

1:25:261:25:30

Johnnie was dying to get the word "nigger" in front of the jury.

1:25:301:25:33

He also did it in such a way

1:25:331:25:36

that, frankly, he made Darden look ridiculous.

1:25:361:25:38

To come here and testify as an expert to you

1:25:381:25:40

of what black people think in America,

1:25:401:25:42

all across America today, believe me,

1:25:421:25:45

black people are offended at this very moment.

1:25:451:25:47

I think that Johnnie was rough on him.

1:25:471:25:50

I think it hurt his feelings.

1:25:501:25:52

A lot of people thought that Chris would end up at the Cochran firm.

1:25:521:25:56

And, obviously, that didn't happen.

1:25:561:25:58

People had contempt for him because

1:26:001:26:02

they felt like he was a tool that was being used.

1:26:021:26:07

It's a time not to do things that it seems to me will last

1:26:071:26:10

a person's entire career, such as insulting a whole race of people

1:26:101:26:16

who have meant so much to this country.

1:26:161:26:18

Let's be clear about this, the subtext

1:26:181:26:22

of everything Johnnie Cochran said about Chris Darden was Uncle Tom.

1:26:221:26:28

And it was egregiously unfair.

1:26:291:26:32

Johnnie Cochran, among other things,

1:26:341:26:36

tried OJ as an African American defendant

1:26:361:26:39

when OJ Simpson didn't really have

1:26:391:26:42

much of a reputation as an African American person, really.

1:26:421:26:46

I used to walk on the wild side. Now I just take a brisk walk.

1:26:471:26:51

This was not a person that you thought of as

1:26:531:26:55

a kind of iconic black figure in Los Angeles.

1:26:551:27:00

I mean, he lived two blocks from Mayor Riordan.

1:27:001:27:02

We wanted the jury to see Bundy, but the defence said,

1:27:101:27:14

"Well, if we're going to do that, we have to go to Rockingham."

1:27:141:27:19

They do not need to go to Rockingham,

1:27:191:27:21

but if they do, show them where they found the glove.

1:27:211:27:24

That's all that's arguably relevant.

1:27:241:27:26

POLICE RADIO CHATTER

1:27:261:27:29

We come to find that Ito was going to let them go into Rockingham.

1:27:291:27:34

He's going to march the jury through the inside of the house,

1:27:341:27:37

which is relevant to what?

1:27:371:27:38

No part of the crime happened inside the house. What are we doing there?

1:27:381:27:42

What we did that day is create an illusion.

1:27:471:27:51

When you would walk up the grand staircase,

1:27:521:27:57

there was a large wall with pictures of the family,

1:27:571:28:00

pictures of friends, pictures of OJ's career.

1:28:001:28:07

Problem was the overwhelming majority of

1:28:071:28:12

pictures were of Caucasian friends and colleagues of his.

1:28:121:28:17

We had an African American jury,

1:28:211:28:24

and we wanted to make sure that the home setting

1:28:241:28:30

would reflect the themes that we wanted to reflect.

1:28:301:28:34

We took all his white friends down, put all his black people up,

1:28:351:28:40

pictures he probably had never seen before,

1:28:401:28:44

because that's what we were told the jury would identify with.

1:28:441:28:48

We made him blacker.

1:28:491:28:52

There was a Norman Rockwell lithograph

1:28:521:28:56

that we took from Johnnie's office...

1:28:561:28:59

..and we put that picture at the very top of the stairs.

1:29:011:29:06

We did not remove all of his pictures with white people.

1:29:081:29:13

The whole house would have been gone,

1:29:131:29:15

it would have been dark. We didn't do that!

1:29:151:29:19

You have got to be kidding me. It's night and day.

1:29:191:29:23

This was an African American man's house

1:29:231:29:25

who had no associations with any white guys whatsoever.

1:29:251:29:29

Marcia saw the wall...

1:29:291:29:34

and she said, "Carl, you know damn well he has never

1:29:341:29:38

"had this many black people on his wall his entire life."

1:29:381:29:42

I said, "Marcia, what are talking about?

1:29:421:29:45

"How dare you accuse us of such things."

1:29:451:29:49

I was miserable. I was angry.

1:29:501:29:52

That is very dirty pool.

1:29:521:29:55

If we had had a Latin jury,

1:29:551:29:57

we would have had a picture of him in a sombrero,

1:29:571:29:59

there would have been a mariachi band out front,

1:29:591:30:03

we would have had a pinata at the upper staircase.

1:30:031:30:07

I objected, we went outside, we convened a hearing and I said,

1:30:071:30:10

"This has no relevance whatsoever. They've now changed the scene.

1:30:101:30:13

"It was never relevant to begin with and now it's completely irrelevant."

1:30:131:30:18

The defence is always going to push the envelope. That's what they do.

1:30:181:30:22

It's up to the judge to stop them.

1:30:221:30:25

Ito let them get away with it.

1:30:251:30:27

All of a sudden he became black.

1:30:311:30:34

They threw off the cape and now he's one of them.

1:30:351:30:38

I was surprised to see the depth of feeling that so many people in

1:30:411:30:44

the black community, certainly those around the courthouse, had for him.

1:30:441:30:50

I feel that he is not guilty and I also feel that he is being unfairly

1:30:501:30:54

treated, as so have a lot of African American persons

1:30:541:30:57

who have been through the judicial process.

1:30:571:31:00

I think that you find among black people

1:31:011:31:04

an incredible amount of forgiveness

1:31:041:31:06

for anybody living through the pain of being black in America.

1:31:061:31:12

They were not involved with OJ in terms of critical thinking.

1:31:121:31:16

-Why does he mean so much to you?

-You know, I can't answer that.

1:31:161:31:20

This is just something that's really struck a chord with me

1:31:201:31:23

and I'm just compelled to be here.

1:31:231:31:24

He was a black man who was on trial that they

1:31:241:31:29

perceived that white people were trying to unfairly harm.

1:31:291:31:37

They're trying to railroad him. They need to find the murderer.

1:31:371:31:40

Go out and look for the murderer.

1:31:401:31:42

He's accused, but we all know he didn't do it.

1:31:421:31:46

He was wealthy, he was powerful, he was this, he was that.

1:31:461:31:50

There is a B-U-T. But...

1:31:501:31:53

..he was black.

1:31:551:31:57

-So he didn't do it?

-No, he didn't do it.

1:31:571:31:59

-How do you know?

-I know he didn't do it.

1:31:591:32:01

-How do you know?

-I just know.

1:32:011:32:03

You may be at the top house in Beverly Hills...

1:32:031:32:08

..and I may be in the basement of a place in Watts...

1:32:091:32:14

but we are connected.

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