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When I got there, they had the scene very well secured. | 0:00:25 | 0:00:28 | |
They had the entire block taped off. | 0:00:28 | 0:00:32 | |
Front door wide open, a little music playing | 0:00:32 | 0:00:35 | |
in the background, candles are lit inside. | 0:00:35 | 0:00:38 | |
Very violent confrontation. Rage. | 0:00:38 | 0:00:41 | |
Two victims, blood everywhere. | 0:00:44 | 0:00:47 | |
We find a glove - it's a left glove - and a blood trail indicating the | 0:00:49 | 0:00:56 | |
suspect has been wounded on the left side. | 0:00:56 | 0:00:58 | |
So we're just getting into this when we | 0:00:58 | 0:01:02 | |
find out that this is apparently OJ Simpson's estranged wife. | 0:01:02 | 0:01:07 | |
We have two children asleep. | 0:01:09 | 0:01:12 | |
I have a very brutal murder. | 0:01:12 | 0:01:14 | |
Someone has got to make a death notification of next of kin... | 0:01:14 | 0:01:18 | |
which is Simpson. | 0:01:18 | 0:01:20 | |
Lang and Vannatter were talking, | 0:01:20 | 0:01:23 | |
and they called me over and said, | 0:01:23 | 0:01:27 | |
"You were at Simpson's house once, right? | 0:01:27 | 0:01:29 | |
"We want you to take us up there." | 0:01:29 | 0:01:31 | |
We pull close to the gate. | 0:01:35 | 0:01:39 | |
Vannatter was hitting the doorbell, | 0:01:40 | 0:01:44 | |
they keep ringing the doorbell, and so I just stroll down the street. | 0:01:44 | 0:01:49 | |
By the other gate, there's a white Bronco. | 0:01:52 | 0:01:57 | |
On the driver's side door handle, blood. | 0:01:57 | 0:02:00 | |
I mean, there was enough evidence outside - | 0:02:02 | 0:02:06 | |
"We got to make sure everybody's OK in here." | 0:02:06 | 0:02:09 | |
"Oh, God, what are we going to do? Simpson's in there dead." | 0:02:09 | 0:02:13 | |
Well, yeah, we need to go in. | 0:02:13 | 0:02:14 | |
So I jumped up over the fence and I opened the gate. | 0:02:14 | 0:02:18 | |
Bang on the front door. Nothing. | 0:02:22 | 0:02:25 | |
We walk around to the back, there's a couple of bungalows. | 0:02:25 | 0:02:29 | |
The first one was Kato Kaelin's. Kato Kaelin was a live-in... | 0:02:29 | 0:02:35 | |
..friend. | 0:02:39 | 0:02:40 | |
We say to the police, "Check on Mr Simpson." | 0:02:40 | 0:02:43 | |
"OJ's in Chicago. Well, he left last night." | 0:02:45 | 0:02:50 | |
"Oh, thank God." | 0:02:50 | 0:02:51 | |
They all leave, and I'm left here with Kato Kaelin. | 0:02:51 | 0:02:55 | |
I go, "Tell me what you did last night." | 0:02:56 | 0:02:59 | |
He goes, "Well, I was talking on the phone | 0:02:59 | 0:03:02 | |
"and all a sudden there was, like, an earthquake. | 0:03:02 | 0:03:05 | |
-"It was just like... -POUNDING | 0:03:05 | 0:03:09 | |
"..on the wall, and the pictures shook." | 0:03:09 | 0:03:11 | |
OK. | 0:03:13 | 0:03:15 | |
I walk back outside and I start walking | 0:03:15 | 0:03:20 | |
down the back, behind the bungalows. | 0:03:20 | 0:03:22 | |
And then, as I pan down, | 0:03:24 | 0:03:27 | |
..I see this brown, glistening... | 0:03:28 | 0:03:32 | |
At first I thought it was dog crap. | 0:03:32 | 0:03:35 | |
And then I shine the light on it, and it was a glove. | 0:03:35 | 0:03:39 | |
Just like the one... Ed Bundy... | 0:03:43 | 0:03:46 | |
"Yeah, this is going to get deep. This is going to be a crime scene." | 0:03:46 | 0:03:51 | |
I make the decision to make a telephonic | 0:04:14 | 0:04:17 | |
to the Brown family, and I talk to Lou Brown | 0:04:17 | 0:04:21 | |
and say that your daughter Nicole is dead. | 0:04:21 | 0:04:24 | |
It's quiet for about two seconds, and then | 0:04:26 | 0:04:28 | |
all this screaming. It's Nicole's sister, Denise. | 0:04:28 | 0:04:32 | |
"I knew that motherfucker, he was going to kill, | 0:04:32 | 0:04:35 | |
"I knew he was going to do this." I mean, she didn't hesitate. | 0:04:35 | 0:04:39 | |
Nobody comes unglued like that unless they have a strong suspicion. | 0:04:39 | 0:04:44 | |
We got to look at it a little differently now. | 0:04:44 | 0:04:47 | |
We lock everything down, no more searching, | 0:04:47 | 0:04:49 | |
can't do anything until we get a warrant. | 0:04:49 | 0:04:53 | |
Phil Vannatter called me and said, | 0:04:53 | 0:04:55 | |
"I've got some information. I need to get a search warrant. | 0:04:55 | 0:04:57 | |
"I need you to tell me if you think it sounds OK." | 0:04:57 | 0:05:00 | |
And he just summarised the evidence, and it was huge. | 0:05:00 | 0:05:04 | |
"OK, yeah, go ahead, get the search warrant, you're fine." | 0:05:04 | 0:05:08 | |
And he said, "You know who it is? | 0:05:08 | 0:05:10 | |
"It's OJ Simpson." | 0:05:10 | 0:05:12 | |
"OJ Simpson? Um..." | 0:05:12 | 0:05:17 | |
I was never into sports, so I didn't even know what game he played. | 0:05:17 | 0:05:21 | |
I thought he was a has-been. | 0:05:23 | 0:05:26 | |
Monday afternoon came around, | 0:05:27 | 0:05:29 | |
Simpson came back from Chicago and they handcuff him. | 0:05:29 | 0:05:33 | |
It was... | 0:05:36 | 0:05:38 | |
quite surprising. | 0:05:38 | 0:05:40 | |
Your ex-husband's always a suspect in a case. | 0:05:40 | 0:05:45 | |
"OK. Wow!" | 0:05:45 | 0:05:48 | |
-LAUGHING -"Here we go." | 0:05:48 | 0:05:50 | |
He said he was going to talk to us, which is really strange. | 0:06:12 | 0:06:15 | |
You have one opportunity forever | 0:06:20 | 0:06:24 | |
to talk to this guy, forever. | 0:06:24 | 0:06:26 | |
He's thinking he can control a couple of cops, | 0:06:37 | 0:06:40 | |
especially these guys, cos, you know, they're pretty nice. | 0:06:40 | 0:06:43 | |
What Vannatter and Lang failed to do was | 0:07:02 | 0:07:05 | |
simply to pin him down on what he did on the day of the murder. | 0:07:05 | 0:07:10 | |
OJ just rambled and created an interview | 0:07:16 | 0:07:21 | |
transcript that was useless to the prosecution. | 0:07:21 | 0:07:24 | |
"What do you mean, you were running around doing what you do? | 0:07:37 | 0:07:40 | |
"What do you mean?" | 0:07:40 | 0:07:41 | |
"What do you mean, you cut yourself in Chicago | 0:07:41 | 0:07:43 | |
"but the blood got on the Bronco before you left? What do you mean?" | 0:07:43 | 0:07:46 | |
There's a million things that they just let go. | 0:07:46 | 0:07:49 | |
"Yeah, uh-huh, yeah, uh-huh." | 0:07:49 | 0:07:51 | |
Oh, my God! | 0:07:51 | 0:07:52 | |
What I wanted was his blood, photographs | 0:07:54 | 0:07:57 | |
taken of the bleeding finger, I wanted his | 0:07:57 | 0:07:59 | |
fingerprints now that we've got his cooperation. | 0:07:59 | 0:08:02 | |
We get the blood, we get all these things | 0:08:13 | 0:08:15 | |
we want which are going to be evidence. | 0:08:15 | 0:08:17 | |
And then, you know, he's released. | 0:08:17 | 0:08:20 | |
What? Why would you do that? | 0:08:20 | 0:08:23 | |
If he was any other guy, would you have let him go? | 0:08:24 | 0:08:29 | |
And they said, "Where can he go? After all, what can he do? | 0:08:31 | 0:08:34 | |
"I mean, everybody recognises him." | 0:08:34 | 0:08:37 | |
When I went over to Rockingham, he had, like, three TVs, | 0:09:10 | 0:09:14 | |
and each and every one of them, he had a different channel on. | 0:09:14 | 0:09:19 | |
NEWSREADERS AND REPORTERS ALL TALKING AT ONCE | 0:09:19 | 0:09:21 | |
"'Suspect'? What are you talking about? Is he crazy?" | 0:09:27 | 0:09:30 | |
And I said, "OJ, what happened to your finger?" | 0:09:32 | 0:09:36 | |
And he says, "I cut it on a glass in Chicago." | 0:09:36 | 0:09:40 | |
And I went, "Oh, OK." | 0:09:40 | 0:09:44 | |
Somebody else sat down and asked him the same question, | 0:09:44 | 0:09:47 | |
and he said, "I was chipping golf balls." | 0:09:47 | 0:09:51 | |
And I went, "Uh-huh..." Later on that evening, | 0:09:51 | 0:09:56 | |
same question came out. | 0:09:56 | 0:09:58 | |
"Oh, I was getting the cellphone out of the Bronco, cut myself." | 0:09:58 | 0:10:04 | |
I was like, "Wow." | 0:10:04 | 0:10:06 | |
I tried to leave there and OJ goes, "Shipp, hold on." | 0:10:07 | 0:10:13 | |
He says, "They asked me to take a lie detector test. I told them no." | 0:10:13 | 0:10:19 | |
I said, "What do you mean, you told them no?" | 0:10:19 | 0:10:21 | |
And he says, you know, jokingly, he says, | 0:10:21 | 0:10:23 | |
"Well, you know, to be truthful, Shipp, | 0:10:23 | 0:10:25 | |
"I have had dreams of killing her." | 0:10:25 | 0:10:27 | |
I wanted to leave. | 0:10:31 | 0:10:33 | |
I said, "This... I'm... I'm out of here." | 0:10:33 | 0:10:35 | |
-REPORTER: -Here, at OJ Simpson's home, | 0:10:43 | 0:10:45 | |
in the fashionable suburb of Brentwood, | 0:10:45 | 0:10:47 | |
the world media has settled in to the siege. | 0:10:47 | 0:10:49 | |
Against this public backdrop, | 0:10:49 | 0:10:51 | |
police are quietly, methodically reconstructing | 0:10:51 | 0:10:54 | |
the events of last Sunday evening to answer the question, | 0:10:54 | 0:10:57 | |
"Could this American sports hero possibly be a murderer?" | 0:10:57 | 0:11:01 | |
At the time that this murder took place, | 0:12:37 | 0:12:41 | |
OJ was at home, awaiting a limousine to take him to the airport | 0:12:41 | 0:12:47 | |
for a promotional event in Chicago. | 0:12:47 | 0:12:50 | |
-REPORTER: -OJ Simpson has described him as his quarterback. | 0:12:50 | 0:12:54 | |
He is defence attorney Robert Shapiro. | 0:12:54 | 0:12:57 | |
I agree with that assessment. | 0:12:57 | 0:12:59 | |
He was known as the fixer. He was a Hollywood lawyer. | 0:13:04 | 0:13:07 | |
He was not known as a "trial dogg" with two Gs. | 0:13:10 | 0:13:14 | |
You hired Bob Shapiro to cut a deal. | 0:13:15 | 0:13:20 | |
Bob had never tried a murder case. And so when he called me in June | 0:13:20 | 0:13:24 | |
and said, "I need some help in the OJ case," I was more than ready. | 0:13:24 | 0:13:31 | |
Well, I worked for Bob Shapiro on some of his other cases | 0:13:31 | 0:13:35 | |
and I was pretty successful. | 0:13:35 | 0:13:37 | |
So they recruited me as a defence investigator. | 0:13:37 | 0:13:41 | |
OJ was putting together his team. They sent a guy over to me. | 0:13:45 | 0:13:48 | |
"Hey, man, we're putting together this thing." | 0:13:48 | 0:13:50 | |
"We're going to need you. OJ needs you." | 0:13:50 | 0:13:53 | |
And I said, "I'm not on board." | 0:13:53 | 0:13:57 | |
And I'll never forget that investigator's look on his face. | 0:13:59 | 0:14:02 | |
He says, "What?" I said, "OJ killed her. I'm not on board." | 0:14:02 | 0:14:08 | |
I got to say, I had a lot of fun with her. | 0:14:16 | 0:14:19 | |
At times, I felt like a big brother to her cos | 0:14:19 | 0:14:21 | |
I'd come over there and she'd share things with me. | 0:14:21 | 0:14:23 | |
And I kind of felt special that she | 0:14:23 | 0:14:25 | |
thought enough of me to tell me her problems. | 0:14:25 | 0:14:27 | |
She's a great human being. Thank you. | 0:14:27 | 0:14:30 | |
APPLAUSE | 0:14:30 | 0:14:33 | |
I remember early in... | 0:14:35 | 0:14:36 | |
..in the years that her and OJ was dating, | 0:14:40 | 0:14:43 | |
we were all down in the Caribbean. | 0:14:43 | 0:14:45 | |
OJ was working on a film, and if a lot of you don't know, | 0:14:45 | 0:14:50 | |
I'm going to let you know now, blacks cannot swim, we can't float. | 0:14:50 | 0:14:53 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:14:53 | 0:14:55 | |
Justin can! | 0:14:55 | 0:14:57 | |
Well, thank God. Well, he got that from his mom. | 0:14:57 | 0:15:00 | |
So, we're out in the saltwater, all right? | 0:15:00 | 0:15:03 | |
And Nicole is out there looking like, you know, | 0:15:03 | 0:15:05 | |
she was made to swim, she's backstroking and | 0:15:05 | 0:15:08 | |
she's doing all these things. | 0:15:08 | 0:15:10 | |
So, here's OJ and I, we're standing on the shore and she's waving us in. | 0:15:10 | 0:15:14 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:15:14 | 0:15:15 | |
Now, this is saltwater, in the Caribbean. | 0:15:15 | 0:15:18 | |
Everything down there floats. | 0:15:18 | 0:15:20 | |
OJ and I got out there and we tried to float, | 0:15:20 | 0:15:22 | |
and she thought that's the funniest thing she'd ever seen in her life. | 0:15:22 | 0:15:28 | |
She could not believe it. And one of the things about Nicole, | 0:15:28 | 0:15:31 | |
which all of you will agree, was Nicole's laugh. | 0:15:31 | 0:15:34 | |
Once that woman laughed, she was, uh... | 0:15:34 | 0:15:38 | |
-TEARFULLY: -..she brought out a lot of goodness in you. | 0:15:38 | 0:15:41 | |
Nicole was very, very special to me. That was my buddy. And, um... | 0:15:41 | 0:15:46 | |
And I know, Sydney and Justin... | 0:15:49 | 0:15:52 | |
..you've been blessed because of a lot | 0:15:54 | 0:15:57 | |
of her character and the goodness about her. | 0:15:57 | 0:16:00 | |
You're not going to notice it now, | 0:16:00 | 0:16:01 | |
but you're going to notice it as you get older | 0:16:01 | 0:16:03 | |
cos she's laid a great foundation for you two. | 0:16:03 | 0:16:06 | |
I love you, Nicole, and I love you, too, Jason... | 0:16:10 | 0:16:12 | |
I mean Justin and Sydney | 0:16:12 | 0:16:14 | |
and I'll always will be there for you. | 0:16:14 | 0:16:17 | |
APPLAUSE | 0:16:17 | 0:16:19 | |
OJ Simpson may soon face legal action. | 0:16:26 | 0:16:28 | |
The Associated Press says a homicide detective | 0:16:28 | 0:16:30 | |
has told them Simpson's arrest is imminent. | 0:16:30 | 0:16:33 | |
It is not only OJ Simpson's life | 0:16:36 | 0:16:37 | |
that is coming under the media microscope. | 0:16:37 | 0:16:39 | |
Reporters are looking, too, at Ronald Goldman, | 0:16:39 | 0:16:41 | |
the aspiring model, who was killed with Nicole Simpson. | 0:16:41 | 0:16:45 | |
His family said he was nothing more than a friend. | 0:16:45 | 0:16:48 | |
He was a special human being... | 0:16:48 | 0:16:50 | |
..that didn't deserve what's happened. | 0:16:51 | 0:16:54 | |
He was going to open a restaurant. | 0:16:57 | 0:17:00 | |
After Ron was murdered, we went to his apartment. | 0:17:02 | 0:17:08 | |
He had a floor plan, he had a menu, | 0:17:08 | 0:17:11 | |
he had names of people whose art he was going to hang on the wall. | 0:17:11 | 0:17:14 | |
He had everything worked out. | 0:17:14 | 0:17:17 | |
Obviously, this is your older brother. | 0:17:17 | 0:17:19 | |
We don't get to spend very much time together, | 0:17:19 | 0:17:21 | |
so I'm very glad that I was able to be here. | 0:17:21 | 0:17:23 | |
So, I love you very much and I'll see you soon. | 0:17:23 | 0:17:26 | |
That was all taken away. | 0:17:28 | 0:17:30 | |
My sister's body was going to be behind closed doors. | 0:17:40 | 0:17:44 | |
I said to my friend, "I can't go in there." | 0:17:44 | 0:17:47 | |
And as I'm having this conversation with them I'm hearing screams. | 0:17:49 | 0:17:53 | |
Looking at her, I can remember a black | 0:17:56 | 0:18:00 | |
dress up to her neck because... | 0:18:00 | 0:18:02 | |
..what I had heard is that her head | 0:18:04 | 0:18:07 | |
was almost cut off all the way... | 0:18:07 | 0:18:11 | |
which even shocked me more and more. | 0:18:11 | 0:18:14 | |
I mean, that was just, like... | 0:18:14 | 0:18:17 | |
And seeing her there, lying there in a coffin - | 0:18:17 | 0:18:22 | |
I mean, it really... I mean... | 0:18:22 | 0:18:26 | |
I don't know, it was just terrible. | 0:18:26 | 0:18:28 | |
And he came to the wake. | 0:18:34 | 0:18:36 | |
It was just...unbelievable. | 0:18:38 | 0:18:41 | |
We were all kind of in shock that he came there. | 0:18:42 | 0:18:47 | |
Judy asked him directly, "Did you kill my daughter?" | 0:18:48 | 0:18:53 | |
"No, no. I loved her too much." | 0:18:53 | 0:18:56 | |
He was, like, on Xanax or something. He was just sedated. | 0:18:59 | 0:19:05 | |
I leaned over to him and I said, "We're going to get through this." | 0:19:07 | 0:19:09 | |
I had no idea what was going on. | 0:19:12 | 0:19:14 | |
Action News has learned that Simpson's attorney is working on | 0:19:35 | 0:19:38 | |
a deal with police for Simpson's surrender to avoid what the | 0:19:38 | 0:19:41 | |
lawyer calls, and we quote, "a media circus". | 0:19:41 | 0:19:44 | |
Shapiro was going to surrender him to the detectives in the morning. | 0:20:04 | 0:20:08 | |
We're standing outside Parker Center waiting for OJ to turn himself in. | 0:20:15 | 0:20:19 | |
Every time a car would pass by, "Is that OJ?" | 0:20:21 | 0:20:24 | |
I think it was 11 o'clock. | 0:20:27 | 0:20:29 | |
Oh, no, he doesn't show up. | 0:20:30 | 0:20:33 | |
I think I'd already scheduled the press conference. | 0:20:34 | 0:20:38 | |
And it's like, "Oh, no. | 0:20:38 | 0:20:41 | |
"We potentially could look like a bunch of clowns here." | 0:20:41 | 0:20:44 | |
I did not know about the arrangements for his surrender. | 0:20:49 | 0:20:53 | |
I went with the assumption that they'd announce he was arrested. | 0:20:53 | 0:20:55 | |
Gascon's coming up. | 0:20:55 | 0:20:58 | |
Looking out at the auditorium, not only are all the seats taken, | 0:20:58 | 0:21:01 | |
but all the aisles are jammed, | 0:21:01 | 0:21:04 | |
the front is jammed, the back wall's jammed. | 0:21:04 | 0:21:06 | |
He's on the stage. | 0:21:06 | 0:21:09 | |
And I was the one that was going to have to stand out there naked. | 0:21:09 | 0:21:12 | |
This morning, detectives from the Los Angeles | 0:21:16 | 0:21:19 | |
Police Department sought and obtained a warrant | 0:21:19 | 0:21:24 | |
for the arrest of OJ Simpson, charging him | 0:21:24 | 0:21:27 | |
with the murders of Nicole Brown Simpson and Ronald Lyle Goldman. | 0:21:27 | 0:21:32 | |
Mr Simpson, in agreement with his attorney... | 0:21:33 | 0:21:38 | |
..was scheduled to surrender this morning, | 0:21:39 | 0:21:41 | |
to the Los Angeles Police Department. | 0:21:41 | 0:21:44 | |
Initially, that was 11 o'clock. | 0:21:44 | 0:21:46 | |
It then became 11:45. | 0:21:48 | 0:21:51 | |
Mr Simpson has not appeared. | 0:21:52 | 0:21:55 | |
The Los Angeles Police Department, right now, | 0:21:59 | 0:22:02 | |
is actively searching for Mr Simpson. | 0:22:02 | 0:22:06 | |
PEOPLE GASP | 0:22:06 | 0:22:08 | |
The gasp that went through the room, I think it's right at that moment, | 0:22:08 | 0:22:11 | |
that I realised, "Oh, boy, this is big." | 0:22:11 | 0:22:14 | |
We will continue our pursuit of Mr Simpson | 0:22:14 | 0:22:17 | |
and hope to have him in custody...soon. | 0:22:17 | 0:22:21 | |
He's gone. | 0:22:22 | 0:22:24 | |
I looked at Marika and I said, "It's a helicopter story now. | 0:22:24 | 0:22:28 | |
"Let's find this son of a bitch." | 0:22:28 | 0:22:31 | |
I can take a few questions. | 0:22:31 | 0:22:33 | |
EVERYONE SPEAKS AT ONCE | 0:22:33 | 0:22:35 | |
I'd known Gascon for a long time | 0:22:35 | 0:22:37 | |
and he's a fairly easygoing guy, normally. | 0:22:37 | 0:22:40 | |
You have to hold it down. | 0:22:40 | 0:22:41 | |
One at a time or I won't be able to hear you. | 0:22:41 | 0:22:44 | |
He's got a nice sense of humour, he's got a light touch. | 0:22:44 | 0:22:46 | |
You asked a question. Would you like for me to answer? | 0:22:46 | 0:22:49 | |
He got pretty tightly wound that day. | 0:22:49 | 0:22:52 | |
I doubt that there's anyone around this country | 0:22:52 | 0:22:54 | |
that's been monitoring television, radio | 0:22:54 | 0:22:56 | |
or newspapers that doesn't know at this point | 0:22:56 | 0:22:58 | |
that something's going on in this case. | 0:22:58 | 0:23:01 | |
If you, in any way, are assisting Mr Simpson | 0:23:03 | 0:23:08 | |
in avoiding justice... Mr Simpson is a fugitive of | 0:23:08 | 0:23:12 | |
justice right now, | 0:23:12 | 0:23:15 | |
and if you assist him in any way, | 0:23:15 | 0:23:17 | |
YOU are committing a felony. | 0:23:17 | 0:23:19 | |
I was pissed off that we were, in essence, | 0:23:20 | 0:23:22 | |
given the old Italian gesture. | 0:23:22 | 0:23:25 | |
I don't recall being that upset before in the DA's office. | 0:23:26 | 0:23:31 | |
I'm angry, I'm not embarrassed. | 0:23:31 | 0:23:33 | |
Angry at who, beyond...? | 0:23:33 | 0:23:35 | |
I'm angry at OJ Simpson. | 0:23:35 | 0:23:37 | |
POLICE RADIO | 0:23:45 | 0:23:47 | |
First name, spelling | 0:23:56 | 0:23:57 | |
Oscar Romeo Echo November Tango Hotel Alpha Lima. | 0:23:57 | 0:24:01 | |
It is not an escape. He was not under arrest. | 0:24:13 | 0:24:16 | |
He was under sedation in a very, very emotional state. | 0:24:16 | 0:24:21 | |
He was at a residence that is secluded, | 0:24:23 | 0:24:28 | |
that is very, very hard to find, | 0:24:28 | 0:24:31 | |
and there was never any thought of him | 0:24:31 | 0:24:33 | |
leaving that residence without us. | 0:24:33 | 0:24:35 | |
This letter was written by OJ today. | 0:24:38 | 0:24:42 | |
"First, everyone understand, | 0:24:44 | 0:24:48 | |
"I had nothing to do with Nicole's murder. | 0:24:48 | 0:24:51 | |
"I loved her, always have and always will. | 0:24:52 | 0:24:58 | |
"If we had a problem, it's because I loved her so much." | 0:24:58 | 0:25:04 | |
It's 17:00, 5pm, when you have Kardashian reading the letter. | 0:25:05 | 0:25:11 | |
I thought, "Wow, maybe he killed himself." | 0:25:11 | 0:25:16 | |
"I think of my life and feel I've done most | 0:25:16 | 0:25:23 | |
"of the right things, so why do I end up like this? | 0:25:23 | 0:25:27 | |
"I can't go on. No matter what the outcome, | 0:25:29 | 0:25:34 | |
"people will look and point. I can't take that. | 0:25:34 | 0:25:39 | |
"I can't subject my children to that." | 0:25:39 | 0:25:44 | |
We deal with folks who are in crisis | 0:25:44 | 0:25:47 | |
and get to a very dark place and they just do it. | 0:25:47 | 0:25:53 | |
"Don't feel sorry for me. | 0:25:53 | 0:25:55 | |
"I've had a great life, great friends. | 0:25:56 | 0:26:00 | |
"Please think of the real OJ and not this lost person." | 0:26:00 | 0:26:05 | |
The note says, to me, "Feel sorry for me, but... | 0:26:10 | 0:26:15 | |
"..I'm the guy," you know, "I'm the bad guy." | 0:26:16 | 0:26:18 | |
He was. Mr Cawlings was with him, | 0:26:22 | 0:26:24 | |
he was his best friend, he was by his side | 0:26:24 | 0:26:27 | |
for the last few minutes alone while we were upstairs. | 0:26:27 | 0:26:31 | |
AC just had a love for OJ. | 0:26:33 | 0:26:35 | |
I remember once, in high school, a friend of mine had a starter | 0:26:37 | 0:26:42 | |
pistol that he brought to school. | 0:26:42 | 0:26:45 | |
So we said, "OK, let's go, take the gun and pull it on OJ | 0:26:45 | 0:26:50 | |
"and act like we're going to shoot him." We were all down for it. | 0:26:50 | 0:26:55 | |
So we went out on the field where OJ and Al were, | 0:26:55 | 0:27:01 | |
and my friend, Ray, well, he pulled the gun out | 0:27:01 | 0:27:05 | |
and everybody sort of stepped back. | 0:27:05 | 0:27:08 | |
And Al Cowlings stepped in front of OJ | 0:27:08 | 0:27:13 | |
and said, "Ray, if you going to shoot OJ, | 0:27:13 | 0:27:18 | |
"you got to shoot me first." | 0:27:18 | 0:27:20 | |
POLICE RADIOS | 0:27:24 | 0:27:25 | |
1993 Ford Bronco. | 0:27:29 | 0:27:31 | |
We're listening to the Los Angeles Police Department | 0:27:34 | 0:27:38 | |
and they believe that this vehicle | 0:27:38 | 0:27:40 | |
is somewhere in the vicinity of the El Toro Y. | 0:27:40 | 0:27:43 | |
And I look down below and there's the El Toro Y. | 0:27:44 | 0:27:46 | |
And there's a white Bronco. | 0:27:48 | 0:27:51 | |
Then there's a sheriff's unit and | 0:27:51 | 0:27:53 | |
there's another sheriff's unit and another sheriff's unit. | 0:27:53 | 0:27:55 | |
OK, here we are, open the door. | 0:27:55 | 0:27:58 | |
We get the door open and we get our very first shots. | 0:27:58 | 0:28:02 | |
And I'm back on the two-way radio | 0:28:02 | 0:28:05 | |
telling CBS, "You got to get us on the air, we found him!" | 0:28:05 | 0:28:09 | |
I want a husband who loves me... | 0:28:09 | 0:28:10 | |
And with a flip of the switch, we were on with Dan Rather. | 0:28:10 | 0:28:13 | |
This is Dan Rather with Connie Chung | 0:28:13 | 0:28:15 | |
in Los Angeles, and let's hold on a second here. | 0:28:15 | 0:28:17 | |
I'm seeing on the monitor this live helicopter | 0:28:17 | 0:28:20 | |
coverage of the Ford Bronco being followed by the police. | 0:28:20 | 0:28:23 | |
And let's pick up some of the transmission from the helicopter. | 0:28:23 | 0:28:27 | |
They believe he's suicidal and very dangerous. | 0:28:27 | 0:28:30 | |
Unfortunately, at this time it does not | 0:28:30 | 0:28:34 | |
appear as though the driver is slowing down | 0:28:34 | 0:28:37 | |
or complying with the orders of the officers. | 0:28:37 | 0:28:41 | |
We were on the air exclusively for 22 minutes, | 0:28:41 | 0:28:45 | |
and this was the most conflicted I had every been. | 0:28:45 | 0:28:48 | |
The gravity of the murder, I mean, | 0:28:48 | 0:28:50 | |
this is a double homicide and this is a tragic story. | 0:28:50 | 0:28:53 | |
Very few human beings fall as far as OJ Simpson. | 0:28:53 | 0:28:58 | |
I've fallen quite a bit transitioning. You know, | 0:28:58 | 0:29:01 | |
you go from being, like, a hero pilot to some tranny, | 0:29:01 | 0:29:05 | |
you know, so I've fallen somewhat myself, but | 0:29:05 | 0:29:08 | |
this is, like, an epic fall. | 0:29:08 | 0:29:12 | |
And I'm weighing the consequences of this with | 0:29:12 | 0:29:15 | |
also the biggest news story, like, ever. | 0:29:15 | 0:29:19 | |
I'm going to use a pair of binoculars to try to determine | 0:29:19 | 0:29:23 | |
whether or not I can see Mr Simpson. | 0:29:23 | 0:29:26 | |
Fuck NBC, fuck ABC, fuck those guys. | 0:29:26 | 0:29:32 | |
I hope they shoot this son of a bitch. | 0:29:32 | 0:29:35 | |
And I hope they kill him before the competitors get here. | 0:29:35 | 0:29:38 | |
PHONE RINGS | 0:29:40 | 0:29:42 | |
911, what are you reporting? | 0:29:42 | 0:29:44 | |
This is AC. I have OJ in the car. | 0:29:44 | 0:29:47 | |
OK, where are you? | 0:29:47 | 0:29:49 | |
Please, I'm coming up the 5 freeway. | 0:29:49 | 0:29:51 | |
-OK. -Right now, we are OK. | 0:29:51 | 0:29:53 | |
But you got to tell the police just to back off. | 0:29:53 | 0:29:56 | |
He's still alive, but he's got a gun to his head. | 0:29:56 | 0:29:58 | |
-OK, hold on a minute. Monica? -He just wants to see his mother. | 0:29:58 | 0:30:03 | |
-Let me get him to the house. -OK, hold on a moment. | 0:30:03 | 0:30:06 | |
OK, what's your name? | 0:30:08 | 0:30:09 | |
My name is AC. You know who I am, God dammit. | 0:30:09 | 0:30:12 | |
OK. | 0:30:12 | 0:30:14 | |
Right now, OJ's sitting there in the passenger seat with | 0:30:18 | 0:30:21 | |
a gun pointed at his own head. | 0:30:21 | 0:30:24 | |
Somebody turned the TV on and there he is. | 0:30:24 | 0:30:27 | |
14 units of the Orange County Sheriff's | 0:30:27 | 0:30:29 | |
Department and Highway Patrol following behind a good distance. | 0:30:29 | 0:30:33 | |
Oh, my God, this isn't real, this can't be real. | 0:30:33 | 0:30:38 | |
We're dumbfounded. Law enforcement is following Simpson. | 0:30:38 | 0:30:44 | |
They want him to stop. | 0:30:44 | 0:30:46 | |
Red lights and siren. It's not an escort. | 0:30:46 | 0:30:49 | |
Why are they allowing him to continue? | 0:30:50 | 0:30:52 | |
Really, the game plan is really being conducted by Mr Simpson | 0:30:52 | 0:30:56 | |
at this point, and it's very much like | 0:30:56 | 0:30:58 | |
when the President travels down a major thoroughfare, like a freeway. | 0:30:58 | 0:31:02 | |
I was wondering, OK, maybe around the next curve they've got it marked | 0:31:02 | 0:31:07 | |
off and they're going to force the stop. | 0:31:07 | 0:31:11 | |
It wasn't like they were going 100 miles an hour. | 0:31:11 | 0:31:14 | |
But I'm not a police tactician. That was their call. | 0:31:14 | 0:31:20 | |
I've covered so many of these things. | 0:31:23 | 0:31:26 | |
This was not usual police behaviour. | 0:31:26 | 0:31:28 | |
If OJ Simpson were black, that shit wouldn't have happened. | 0:31:30 | 0:31:34 | |
He'd be on the ground getting clubbed. | 0:31:36 | 0:31:40 | |
But since he transcended race and colour | 0:31:40 | 0:31:44 | |
to this exalted status of celebrity, | 0:31:44 | 0:31:47 | |
he got a motorcade. | 0:31:47 | 0:31:49 | |
This is not a chase, this is basically an accompaniment. | 0:31:50 | 0:31:54 | |
Nobody is doing anything. | 0:32:00 | 0:32:03 | |
So I'm talking to Eddie Jo Fairbanks in the DA's office. | 0:32:03 | 0:32:05 | |
She said, "Well, I happen to have his cell number. Would you like it?" | 0:32:05 | 0:32:08 | |
HE LAUGHS | 0:32:08 | 0:32:10 | |
PHONE RINGS | 0:32:10 | 0:32:11 | |
-You there? -Just let me get to my house. | 0:32:11 | 0:32:15 | |
-OK, we're going to do that. -I swear to you I'll give you... | 0:32:15 | 0:32:17 | |
-I'll give you me, I'll give you my whole body. -OK... | 0:32:17 | 0:32:20 | |
-I just need to get to my house. -OK, we're going to do that. | 0:32:20 | 0:32:23 | |
-Just throw the gun out the window. -I can't do that. | 0:32:23 | 0:32:25 | |
We're not going to bother you, we'll let you go there. | 0:32:25 | 0:32:28 | |
Just throw it out this window, please, you're scaring everybody. | 0:32:28 | 0:32:31 | |
This is not to keep you guys away from me, this is for me. | 0:32:31 | 0:32:33 | |
-I know that. Nobody's going to hurt you. -This is for me. | 0:32:33 | 0:32:36 | |
He's trying, in my mind, to imply he's going to commit suicide, | 0:32:36 | 0:32:40 | |
but he's not saying that. So I'm playing along with that. | 0:32:40 | 0:32:44 | |
MOANING | 0:32:44 | 0:32:47 | |
Hey, everybody loves you. Don't do this. | 0:32:47 | 0:32:52 | |
Just throw it out the window and nobody's going to get hurt. | 0:32:52 | 0:32:57 | |
You've got a guy here that's... I don't know where his mind is. | 0:32:57 | 0:33:00 | |
I really believe that he killed two people. | 0:33:00 | 0:33:03 | |
And now he's got a loaded gun, and he's being chased by cops. | 0:33:03 | 0:33:05 | |
Is he going to start shooting at the cops? | 0:33:05 | 0:33:07 | |
Is he going to shoot at AC and kill...? | 0:33:07 | 0:33:09 | |
Is he going to blow his own brains out? | 0:33:09 | 0:33:12 | |
I do know if I can engage him in a conversation it's | 0:33:12 | 0:33:15 | |
going to temporarily at least take his mind off of the gun. | 0:33:15 | 0:33:19 | |
I'm the only one that deserves this. | 0:33:19 | 0:33:21 | |
No, you don't deserve that. You do not deserve to get hurt. | 0:33:21 | 0:33:25 | |
-Don't do this. -All I did was love Nicole. All I did was love her. | 0:33:25 | 0:33:29 | |
-I understand. -I love everybody, I've tried to show everybody | 0:33:29 | 0:33:31 | |
my whole life that I love everybody. | 0:33:31 | 0:33:33 | |
We know that. And everybody loves you. | 0:33:33 | 0:33:35 | |
-Your kids need you. -I've already said goodbye to my kids. | 0:33:37 | 0:33:40 | |
-You're going to hurt everybody. -I'm just going to have to see. | 0:33:40 | 0:33:42 | |
-No, don't. -I'm going to go with Nicole. That's all I'm going to do. | 0:33:42 | 0:33:45 | |
-That's all I'm trying to do. -Think about everybody else, all right? | 0:33:45 | 0:33:48 | |
I couldn't on the freeway. I couldn't do it in a field. | 0:33:48 | 0:33:51 | |
I want to do it at her grave. I want to do it at my house. | 0:33:51 | 0:33:54 | |
You going to go to the house? | 0:33:54 | 0:33:56 | |
We were told he was going to the Rockingham location. | 0:33:56 | 0:34:00 | |
And that's all we were told. | 0:34:00 | 0:34:03 | |
If they requested Swat to handle something, | 0:34:03 | 0:34:05 | |
that's because they can't handle it themselves. | 0:34:05 | 0:34:08 | |
I was told, "You're going to do the talking, | 0:34:08 | 0:34:10 | |
"you're going to be the negotiator." | 0:34:10 | 0:34:13 | |
Drive time from downtown to the west side | 0:34:14 | 0:34:18 | |
-was going to take 30, 40 minutes. -We were trying to beat him. | 0:34:18 | 0:34:22 | |
They were pressuring us. "He's pretty close." | 0:34:22 | 0:34:24 | |
We were estimating that we were about ten minutes ahead. | 0:34:24 | 0:34:28 | |
The last thing that we want is for him to get there before us, | 0:34:28 | 0:34:31 | |
because now we're going to lose control. | 0:34:31 | 0:34:34 | |
And we're on the freeway, and on all the overpasses, | 0:34:36 | 0:34:39 | |
there were people already staged. | 0:34:39 | 0:34:43 | |
Signs, "Free OJ," "We love you OJ." | 0:34:43 | 0:34:48 | |
What a bunch of losers. | 0:34:48 | 0:34:51 | |
I think people realised, "Hey, | 0:34:52 | 0:34:54 | |
"this is going to be passing my neighbourhood." | 0:34:54 | 0:34:57 | |
And they wanted to see OJ's last run. | 0:34:57 | 0:35:00 | |
This was not a sombre event. | 0:35:01 | 0:35:03 | |
This was one of Los Angeles's largest parties. | 0:35:03 | 0:35:06 | |
This was lined with people. | 0:35:16 | 0:35:19 | |
SIRENS WAIL | 0:35:19 | 0:35:22 | |
And they're running full speed down the street, | 0:35:28 | 0:35:31 | |
trying to get to the location. | 0:35:31 | 0:35:33 | |
We're not used to seeing those types of crowds rush in. | 0:35:35 | 0:35:39 | |
CHANTING: OJ! OJ! OJ! OJ! | 0:35:39 | 0:35:41 | |
District Attorney of Los Angeles, | 0:35:54 | 0:35:56 | |
Mr Gil Garcetti, will the fact that he has fled | 0:35:56 | 0:35:58 | |
make things worse for him? | 0:35:58 | 0:36:00 | |
Any time you have an accused who leaves, | 0:36:00 | 0:36:04 | |
that and the fact, we believe, shows a consciousness of guilt. | 0:36:04 | 0:36:08 | |
-CHANTING: -Free OJ! Free OJ! | 0:36:12 | 0:36:15 | |
I think earlier in the week, all of us close to OJ | 0:36:21 | 0:36:25 | |
didn't believe that he had been involved in this. | 0:36:25 | 0:36:29 | |
And now I think there's a sense of resignation | 0:36:29 | 0:36:31 | |
and has been for the last 24 hours, and | 0:36:31 | 0:36:33 | |
we can't believe what's happening - there was nothing ever, ever | 0:36:33 | 0:36:36 | |
in the past that would indicate | 0:36:36 | 0:36:38 | |
OJ would be capable of doing what he is doing right now. | 0:36:38 | 0:36:41 | |
They did let you go? | 0:36:45 | 0:36:46 | |
They didn't say anything. All of a sudden, they just... | 0:36:46 | 0:36:49 | |
What was that? | 0:36:51 | 0:36:53 | |
Yeah. | 0:36:55 | 0:36:57 | |
Oh, OK. CBS is trying to get you in. | 0:36:57 | 0:37:00 | |
Now, he's pulling off now, they've just pulled off a main highway. | 0:37:00 | 0:37:03 | |
-Judy Muller, help us here. -I can't tell you, looks like | 0:37:03 | 0:37:07 | |
Santa Monica Freeway, heading... I can't tell you yet. | 0:37:07 | 0:37:10 | |
-Look at these people rushing to the corner. -No, it's an exit. | 0:37:12 | 0:37:15 | |
This word has obviously spread. | 0:37:15 | 0:37:17 | |
Judy, hang on, look at all these people rushing, waving... | 0:37:17 | 0:37:19 | |
SIRENS WAIL | 0:37:19 | 0:37:22 | |
There is an absolutely, utterly macabre nature to all this. | 0:37:27 | 0:37:33 | |
They've been cheering him on, yelling, "Go, Juice, go." | 0:37:35 | 0:37:38 | |
Cheering him on? | 0:37:38 | 0:37:40 | |
He pulled off at Sunset, | 0:37:40 | 0:37:41 | |
off the 405. He's on his way back toward Brentwood. | 0:37:41 | 0:37:45 | |
When I got on scene there, I walked toward the residence, | 0:37:48 | 0:37:51 | |
there was family inside the residence and they were eating. | 0:37:51 | 0:37:55 | |
Looked like they had, like, a sandwich buffet | 0:37:55 | 0:37:57 | |
that they were doing and they were watching TV. | 0:37:57 | 0:38:00 | |
Dining. | 0:38:08 | 0:38:10 | |
I use that clinical term. | 0:38:11 | 0:38:13 | |
Nutty. | 0:38:14 | 0:38:15 | |
SIRENS WAIL | 0:38:18 | 0:38:20 | |
Both sides of the street | 0:38:24 | 0:38:26 | |
have pedestrians. He just passed us at Barrington. | 0:38:26 | 0:38:30 | |
OK, Eric, it's only now probably three minutes at the most, I would | 0:38:30 | 0:38:34 | |
-say, to his home in Brentwood. -That's right. | 0:38:34 | 0:38:38 | |
They're passing the church of Saltaire. | 0:38:42 | 0:38:45 | |
They are heading right into Brentwood now. | 0:38:45 | 0:38:47 | |
He's heading to my house. | 0:38:47 | 0:38:49 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:38:49 | 0:38:51 | |
He's making a right turn - I assume that's up into Brentwood Park - | 0:38:53 | 0:38:55 | |
and appears to be on the way to | 0:38:55 | 0:38:58 | |
either his home or very close to his home. | 0:38:58 | 0:39:02 | |
We closed the gate on Rockingham. | 0:39:02 | 0:39:04 | |
We left this one open to force him through | 0:39:04 | 0:39:07 | |
and make him come into where we wanted him. | 0:39:07 | 0:39:10 | |
Stay back, everybody! | 0:39:13 | 0:39:15 | |
There was a sniper team in this house across the street, | 0:39:19 | 0:39:21 | |
there's a sniper team on top of the roof at the residence. | 0:39:21 | 0:39:24 | |
And there was one across the street. | 0:39:24 | 0:39:26 | |
-POLICE RADIO: -Use your discretion. You take him down if you have to. | 0:39:26 | 0:39:30 | |
When did you see the kids last, Juice? | 0:39:32 | 0:39:34 | |
He's pulling up in my driveway. | 0:39:34 | 0:39:36 | |
I know, I see you, I see you. | 0:39:36 | 0:39:38 | |
Please, toss the gun. Juice, just toss it. | 0:39:38 | 0:39:42 | |
He's pulling into his house? Oh, shit. | 0:39:42 | 0:39:45 | |
I've never seen anything like this. Mr Simpson, OJ, please. | 0:39:45 | 0:39:49 | |
When we're standing in the threshold there, | 0:39:50 | 0:39:52 | |
to my right is a television, | 0:39:52 | 0:39:54 | |
so when the Bronco pulls into the driveway | 0:39:54 | 0:39:59 | |
I see Bronco, Cawlings, Simpson in the back seat | 0:39:59 | 0:40:03 | |
and then I look right here and I get the point of view you're seeing. | 0:40:03 | 0:40:07 | |
-Oh, my goodness gracious. -He's come home after all of that. | 0:40:07 | 0:40:12 | |
Just as we're trying to get words out, | 0:40:12 | 0:40:16 | |
a young man runs up to the driver's side of the door | 0:40:16 | 0:40:19 | |
and starts hitting at AC Cawlings. | 0:40:19 | 0:40:21 | |
All right, who is that out there? He's just trying to help. | 0:40:23 | 0:40:27 | |
He's just trying to help, man. | 0:40:27 | 0:40:29 | |
Kardashian said, "That's Jason Simpson. That's OJ's son." | 0:40:29 | 0:40:35 | |
So I told Pete and Rick, I said, "Go out there and get him." | 0:40:35 | 0:40:39 | |
Moved him out. | 0:40:42 | 0:40:45 | |
And now we get down to the business that we had designed. | 0:40:45 | 0:40:50 | |
At this juncture, it's very fragile. | 0:40:50 | 0:40:54 | |
What exacerbates, what makes it crazy, is the noise. | 0:40:54 | 0:40:58 | |
You had a helicopter, it seemed like about 50 feet | 0:40:58 | 0:41:01 | |
off the deck, every car that was in the following | 0:41:01 | 0:41:06 | |
had their red lights and sirens on. | 0:41:06 | 0:41:09 | |
If you just take a snapshot, | 0:41:10 | 0:41:12 | |
you would go, "This is madness, absolute madness." | 0:41:12 | 0:41:15 | |
I watched that from the newsroom, | 0:41:20 | 0:41:22 | |
and when I saw a couple of the SWAT officers | 0:41:22 | 0:41:24 | |
who I recognised run across the shot, I thought, | 0:41:24 | 0:41:27 | |
"Oh, my God, they're going to kill him in the driveway." | 0:41:27 | 0:41:30 | |
Just toss it, please. All right? | 0:41:30 | 0:41:33 | |
Juice, just toss the gun. | 0:41:36 | 0:41:39 | |
I did not want him to get out of the car with a gun in his hand. | 0:41:39 | 0:41:41 | |
They'd have dumped him. They would not have had a choice. | 0:41:41 | 0:41:45 | |
Juice, come on. Juice? | 0:41:47 | 0:41:51 | |
They resolve most situations peacefully, | 0:41:53 | 0:41:55 | |
but they are there to finish it one way or another. | 0:41:55 | 0:41:58 | |
OJ, no. No, OJ. | 0:41:58 | 0:42:00 | |
Don't. No. Hey, man, don't. Juice, don't do it. Juice! | 0:42:04 | 0:42:08 | |
Pick it up. | 0:42:10 | 0:42:12 | |
I'm thinking, "OK, there are a lot of people that are betting on us | 0:42:12 | 0:42:17 | |
"that we're going to screw this up, that are cynical, | 0:42:17 | 0:42:20 | |
"that believe that we are a brutal, horrible organisation," | 0:42:20 | 0:42:25 | |
and it's just not the case. | 0:42:25 | 0:42:27 | |
How do they know that the police and the DA didn't make all this | 0:42:31 | 0:42:36 | |
evidence up to make him act the way that he's acting? | 0:42:36 | 0:42:40 | |
We were recovering from Rodney King, and it's so important for the people | 0:42:40 | 0:42:44 | |
to see things that go the right way. | 0:42:44 | 0:42:47 | |
They so much on the news see things go the wrong way. | 0:42:47 | 0:42:49 | |
Normally, that wouldn't be on my mind, but that night it was. | 0:42:49 | 0:42:52 | |
Doors opening. | 0:43:02 | 0:43:03 | |
That is Al Cawlings. | 0:43:07 | 0:43:09 | |
-He's quite, quite upset at the moment. -Yeah. | 0:43:09 | 0:43:11 | |
Quite emotional here. | 0:43:11 | 0:43:14 | |
I've got to get Cawlings out. As much as he was trying to help, | 0:43:14 | 0:43:18 | |
he was interfering in... what I needed to do. | 0:43:18 | 0:43:21 | |
I needed to speak directly to Mr Simpson, | 0:43:21 | 0:43:23 | |
to try and keep him from hurting himself, | 0:43:23 | 0:43:26 | |
and Mr Cawlings was trying to be a go-between. | 0:43:26 | 0:43:29 | |
He was very worried about his friend. | 0:43:31 | 0:43:33 | |
He kept asking us, "Please don't hurt him, | 0:43:33 | 0:43:35 | |
"please don't hurt him, please." | 0:43:35 | 0:43:38 | |
And he wanted to go back, he wanted to stay with his friend. | 0:43:38 | 0:43:41 | |
And we wouldn't allow it. We can't. | 0:43:41 | 0:43:44 | |
Police haven't made any move. | 0:43:44 | 0:43:45 | |
We understand negotiations are still going on. | 0:43:45 | 0:43:50 | |
Simpson, you can see him cradling what looks like framed photos, | 0:43:50 | 0:43:56 | |
but clearly he has the barrel of a weapon under his chin | 0:43:56 | 0:43:59 | |
and it looks like he's just resting his | 0:43:59 | 0:44:01 | |
chin on the barrel of the weapon. It was the look of a defeated man. | 0:44:01 | 0:44:06 | |
They are, according to police scanners, | 0:44:12 | 0:44:13 | |
talking to OJ on the phone, from inside | 0:44:13 | 0:44:16 | |
the house, trying to negotiate something. | 0:44:16 | 0:44:19 | |
I said to him very early on, | 0:44:20 | 0:44:23 | |
"I don't think your children need to see another tragedy." | 0:44:23 | 0:44:28 | |
And he immediately changed the subject | 0:44:28 | 0:44:31 | |
right to about himself. He wouldn't even speak to that. | 0:44:31 | 0:44:34 | |
I said, "I know where he's coming from." | 0:44:34 | 0:44:37 | |
There was so much memorabilia and stuff of him everywhere. | 0:44:37 | 0:44:40 | |
Normally you would see other photos of family members or something else. | 0:44:42 | 0:44:46 | |
You didn't see those things, it was all him. | 0:44:46 | 0:44:49 | |
I told Mike Albanis, "Mike, I can talk him into it. | 0:44:49 | 0:44:54 | |
"We can appeal to his ego enough that he's going to come out for us." | 0:44:54 | 0:45:00 | |
His voice, in the beginning, was excited, but then it calmed down. | 0:45:00 | 0:45:04 | |
The more we spoke about him, the more he liked it. | 0:45:04 | 0:45:07 | |
"We want to show them that you're | 0:45:10 | 0:45:11 | |
"still the person that you've been all these years, | 0:45:11 | 0:45:13 | |
"this great football player, this great everything." | 0:45:13 | 0:45:17 | |
He had asked me to come to the car. I said, "No, you're going to show | 0:45:24 | 0:45:27 | |
"them yourself just how big and courageous you are. | 0:45:27 | 0:45:29 | |
"You're going to walk to me and leave the gun in the car, | 0:45:29 | 0:45:32 | |
"you're going to walk out and show everyone right now. | 0:45:32 | 0:45:36 | |
"You're going to do this." | 0:45:36 | 0:45:38 | |
My personal spin, I think he wanted | 0:45:40 | 0:45:43 | |
to surrender when it was dark... | 0:45:43 | 0:45:46 | |
so that he wouldn't be seen. | 0:45:46 | 0:45:49 | |
Night has fallen here over Brentwood. | 0:45:49 | 0:45:52 | |
He had two picture frames that were cradled in his arms. | 0:45:52 | 0:45:58 | |
We told him, "Open the door, put your arm out with the frame | 0:45:58 | 0:46:03 | |
"and the other arm out with the framed photo, | 0:46:03 | 0:46:06 | |
"so it's clear to everybody, so there's no mistaking." | 0:46:06 | 0:46:09 | |
Doors open, dome lights on, he's out of the vehicle. | 0:46:11 | 0:46:15 | |
Kind of just hunches over... | 0:46:15 | 0:46:18 | |
shuffles six, eight steps to us, and collapses in our arms. | 0:46:18 | 0:46:23 | |
He goes, "I'm sorry, I was never going to hurt you guys. I'm sorry. | 0:46:24 | 0:46:29 | |
"I was never going to hurt you guys." | 0:46:29 | 0:46:32 | |
OJ's in custody. We understand OJ is in custody. | 0:46:32 | 0:46:35 | |
They're calling a code four - "all clear, all safe". | 0:46:35 | 0:46:38 | |
Thank you, thank you to God. | 0:46:39 | 0:46:42 | |
REPORTERS ASK QUESTIONS | 0:46:42 | 0:46:45 | |
Unbelievable, we saw an incredible situation that's gone on for hours. | 0:46:49 | 0:46:53 | |
Incredible restraint by the Los Angeles Police Department. | 0:46:53 | 0:46:58 | |
The officers kept their distance. | 0:46:58 | 0:47:00 | |
They allowed the SWAT team, the pros, | 0:47:00 | 0:47:02 | |
to come in, they took their positions. | 0:47:02 | 0:47:06 | |
He had asked me to stay with him throughout the process. | 0:47:06 | 0:47:09 | |
I promised him I would stay with him. | 0:47:09 | 0:47:12 | |
I said, "It's time. I got to handcuff you now. | 0:47:12 | 0:47:14 | |
"You need to be handcuffed. I'm sorry, this is the way it works." | 0:47:14 | 0:47:17 | |
SIRENS WAIL | 0:47:17 | 0:47:18 | |
And as we take off, Simpson is amazed at the crowds. | 0:47:21 | 0:47:25 | |
He just couldn't believe there was this many people there. | 0:47:27 | 0:47:29 | |
CHANTING: Free OJ! Free OJ! | 0:47:29 | 0:47:32 | |
And he said... | 0:47:32 | 0:47:34 | |
.."What are all these niggers doing in Brentwood?" | 0:47:34 | 0:47:36 | |
CROWD CHEERING | 0:47:36 | 0:47:39 | |
And I walk outside and Shapiro's there. | 0:47:45 | 0:47:48 | |
Shapiro shakes my hand, he says, | 0:47:48 | 0:47:50 | |
"Thank you for not killing OJ Simpson." | 0:47:50 | 0:47:53 | |
He grabbed me and went to hug me, and I go, "Let's just..." | 0:47:53 | 0:47:57 | |
I wasn't in the mood for a hug, | 0:47:57 | 0:48:00 | |
and maybe I wasn't professional. | 0:48:00 | 0:48:03 | |
I don't know the frickin' guy, right? And he wants to weep on me? | 0:48:06 | 0:48:10 | |
Well, this is one nutty day. It really is. | 0:48:14 | 0:48:17 | |
I said, "I have seen everything in law enforcement. | 0:48:17 | 0:48:21 | |
"There is nothing else that can top this." | 0:48:21 | 0:48:23 | |
Later today in Los Angeles, OJ Simpson | 0:49:13 | 0:49:15 | |
is expected to make his first court appearance. | 0:49:15 | 0:49:18 | |
OJ has been in jail, under a suicide watch, | 0:49:18 | 0:49:21 | |
visited only by a psychiatrist and his lawyer. | 0:49:21 | 0:49:23 | |
Please... | 0:49:25 | 0:49:26 | |
All right, people. | 0:49:32 | 0:49:34 | |
Please speak up so you may be heard. | 0:49:39 | 0:49:42 | |
Uh, yes. | 0:49:42 | 0:49:43 | |
-Pardon me, I'm sorry. -May we start all over again? | 0:49:44 | 0:49:47 | |
Yes. | 0:49:47 | 0:49:48 | |
He looked a mess. | 0:49:51 | 0:49:54 | |
He looked like someone who had committed murder. | 0:49:54 | 0:49:58 | |
There was nothing about the old, smiling Simpson about him that day. | 0:49:58 | 0:50:02 | |
You're charged with this complaint, | 0:50:04 | 0:50:06 | |
that you wilfully and unlawfully and with malice | 0:50:06 | 0:50:08 | |
aforethought murder Nicole Brown Simpson. | 0:50:08 | 0:50:11 | |
In count two, you are charged with committing the crime | 0:50:12 | 0:50:15 | |
of murder in violation of penal code section 187, | 0:50:15 | 0:50:18 | |
in that you wilfully, unlawfully and with malice | 0:50:18 | 0:50:21 | |
aforethought murder Ronald Lyle Goldman. | 0:50:21 | 0:50:25 | |
When he initially entered the plea, | 0:50:25 | 0:50:28 | |
he barely choked it out. | 0:50:28 | 0:50:30 | |
Not guilty. | 0:50:30 | 0:50:33 | |
All right, the not guilty plea will | 0:50:33 | 0:50:35 | |
be entered, the case will be set for a | 0:50:35 | 0:50:37 | |
preliminary hearing within the statutory period. Recess. | 0:50:37 | 0:50:41 | |
This case will be handled as every case is handled. | 0:50:42 | 0:50:45 | |
The case will be thoroughly investigated by top-notch | 0:50:45 | 0:50:47 | |
investigators, we will present the prosecution | 0:50:47 | 0:50:51 | |
in a thorough and professional manner. | 0:50:51 | 0:50:53 | |
I, amongst others, recommended her. | 0:50:54 | 0:50:56 | |
I was aware of her successes in the courtroom. | 0:50:56 | 0:50:59 | |
I knew she was a very dynamic trial lawyer... | 0:50:59 | 0:51:02 | |
I want no-one to forget that Robert Bardo wakes up every morning | 0:51:02 | 0:51:06 | |
and Rebecca Schaeffer lies buried in a grave in Oregon. | 0:51:06 | 0:51:10 | |
..worked extraordinarily hard, she was very facile with trace evidence, | 0:51:10 | 0:51:16 | |
hair, fibre and the like. She was up to speed on DNA. | 0:51:16 | 0:51:22 | |
She was one of our best trial lawyers. | 0:51:22 | 0:51:24 | |
I think that with all the questions that we've been getting about the | 0:51:24 | 0:51:27 | |
public sympathy for Mr Simpson, we should not forget the fact that | 0:51:27 | 0:51:30 | |
we have two victims who were brutally slain. | 0:51:30 | 0:51:33 | |
I have to say, it never mattered to me | 0:51:33 | 0:51:35 | |
who the defendant was, it was a question of who did it. | 0:51:35 | 0:51:38 | |
Whether they're famous, whether they're not famous, | 0:51:38 | 0:51:40 | |
they all get the same treatment. | 0:51:40 | 0:51:43 | |
You are looking at inmate number 4103970, OJ Simpson. | 0:51:43 | 0:51:50 | |
CAMERA CLICKS | 0:51:50 | 0:51:52 | |
CELL DOORS SHUT | 0:51:56 | 0:51:59 | |
I believed he was innocent. | 0:52:04 | 0:52:06 | |
I was like everybody else, it was incomprehensible | 0:52:06 | 0:52:09 | |
that my friend could do this. | 0:52:09 | 0:52:11 | |
I snuck into the jail to see him, and | 0:52:13 | 0:52:16 | |
there's this guy that was my buddy, and... | 0:52:16 | 0:52:20 | |
..he looked emaciated. | 0:52:21 | 0:52:24 | |
He was in an orange jumpsuit, | 0:52:24 | 0:52:27 | |
and he was shackled to the desk in front of me. | 0:52:27 | 0:52:31 | |
Then he looked at me on the other side of the Plexiglas | 0:52:34 | 0:52:39 | |
as close as he could be and said, "I swear to God, I didn't do this." | 0:52:39 | 0:52:45 | |
I believed him. | 0:52:45 | 0:52:47 | |
He asked me if I kind of would be the chronicler of the whole thing, | 0:52:47 | 0:52:51 | |
would I write a book about the whole thing. | 0:52:51 | 0:52:54 | |
I backed away from that. | 0:52:54 | 0:52:56 | |
Then, in a moment of ultimate surrealism, | 0:52:58 | 0:53:02 | |
I'm sitting with OJ... | 0:53:02 | 0:53:04 | |
..and Lyle Menendez walks behind him. | 0:53:05 | 0:53:08 | |
And I went, "Shit, this is more than my little pea brain can handle." | 0:53:09 | 0:53:13 | |
Bob, OJ Simpson is in a Los Angeles jail cell tonight. | 0:53:42 | 0:53:46 | |
His attorney says he spoke to him today and that Simpson was in tears. | 0:53:46 | 0:53:50 | |
Now, Cawlings was himself arrested | 0:53:50 | 0:53:53 | |
on a felony charge of aiding a fugitive. | 0:53:53 | 0:53:55 | |
-Get away from my -BLEEP -house. -Simpson had 10,000 in cash | 0:53:55 | 0:53:59 | |
and a passport... | 0:53:59 | 0:54:00 | |
I love OJ no matter what happens. | 0:54:00 | 0:54:04 | |
Murder with special circumstances. Death penalty charges. | 0:54:04 | 0:54:07 | |
The final DNA tests are positive for all intents and purposes. | 0:54:07 | 0:54:11 | |
OJ Simpson really has no option but to admit he killed them. | 0:54:11 | 0:54:15 | |
The man who will lead the prosecution | 0:54:15 | 0:54:16 | |
of the case against OJ Simpson | 0:54:16 | 0:54:18 | |
is Los Angeles District Attorney Gil Garcetti. | 0:54:18 | 0:54:20 | |
You said earlier, "It's not going to shock me if we see OJ Simpson | 0:54:20 | 0:54:24 | |
"sometime down the road say, 'OK, | 0:54:24 | 0:54:26 | |
"'I did do it, but I'm not responsible.'" | 0:54:26 | 0:54:29 | |
That sounded like a prosecutor very comfortable with his case. | 0:54:29 | 0:54:32 | |
I am comfortable with the case. I don't mean to speculate as to what | 0:54:32 | 0:54:35 | |
the defence is going to be, but I have been a prosecutor for 25 years. | 0:54:35 | 0:54:38 | |
'The evidence was so overwhelming.' | 0:54:38 | 0:54:41 | |
There was just no doubt. | 0:54:41 | 0:54:43 | |
A blood trail that led from Bundy all the way into his bedroom. | 0:54:45 | 0:54:49 | |
I don't think I'd ever seen | 0:54:50 | 0:54:52 | |
that much evidence in any single case ever. | 0:54:52 | 0:54:55 | |
When you couple that with evidence of motivation, | 0:54:57 | 0:55:01 | |
and that was the history of domestic violence, | 0:55:01 | 0:55:05 | |
with Simpson physically and | 0:55:05 | 0:55:07 | |
psychologically abusing Nicole Brown. | 0:55:07 | 0:55:10 | |
This is my woman. | 0:55:10 | 0:55:12 | |
This was a domestic violence case that culminated in murder. | 0:55:12 | 0:55:15 | |
End of story. | 0:55:15 | 0:55:17 | |
Both sides are going to try to play the publicity their way, | 0:55:19 | 0:55:22 | |
but because this is a major celebrity, | 0:55:22 | 0:55:25 | |
probably this is the most famous American ever charged with murder, | 0:55:25 | 0:55:29 | |
there will not business as usual. | 0:55:29 | 0:55:31 | |
My former criminal law professor, Alan Dershowitz, | 0:55:34 | 0:55:37 | |
was part of what would later become known as the dream team, | 0:55:37 | 0:55:41 | |
OJ Simpson's lawyers. | 0:55:41 | 0:55:43 | |
So I called up Alan, and I said, | 0:55:43 | 0:55:44 | |
"You know, what do you think of this case?" | 0:55:44 | 0:55:47 | |
And he said, "I don't know, | 0:55:47 | 0:55:50 | |
"but you ought to look into this guy, this cop... | 0:55:50 | 0:55:53 | |
"..Mark Fuhrman. There's something bad about him." | 0:55:54 | 0:55:58 | |
I first met Mark during the | 0:56:00 | 0:56:02 | |
execution of a second search warrant. | 0:56:02 | 0:56:05 | |
I was impressed. He seemed to have an eye for detail. | 0:56:05 | 0:56:08 | |
Some of his investigative moves, particularly going up to Rockingham, | 0:56:08 | 0:56:12 | |
struck me that this is a smart detective. | 0:56:12 | 0:56:16 | |
Mark Fuhrman, M-A-R-K F-U-H-R-M-A-N. | 0:56:16 | 0:56:20 | |
When he testified at the preliminary hearing, he did a really good job. | 0:56:21 | 0:56:24 | |
Blood to the left of a footprint | 0:56:24 | 0:56:26 | |
would indicate that the person that left | 0:56:26 | 0:56:28 | |
the scene was bleeding from the left side of his body. | 0:56:28 | 0:56:32 | |
And the spot on the Bronco could coincide with that injury. | 0:56:32 | 0:56:36 | |
He was on top of his game. His memory of the search of | 0:56:38 | 0:56:42 | |
Rockingham was the primary thing, and it was detailed and consistent. | 0:56:42 | 0:56:47 | |
And why was it that you did not secure the residence | 0:56:47 | 0:56:50 | |
for a search warrant before finding the glove? | 0:56:50 | 0:56:53 | |
This is not a situation where we had the time to stand out in the | 0:56:54 | 0:56:59 | |
street and just wait and wonder. We had to do something. | 0:56:59 | 0:57:03 | |
I thought, "Maybe this guy Fuhrman has done something wrong. | 0:57:06 | 0:57:10 | |
"Maybe he's been sued." | 0:57:10 | 0:57:12 | |
There was this dungeon-like basement in downtown Los Angeles with all | 0:57:15 | 0:57:22 | |
the records of civil-court filings, | 0:57:22 | 0:57:24 | |
and I started burrowing through these records | 0:57:24 | 0:57:27 | |
looking for Mark Fuhrman as a defendant. | 0:57:27 | 0:57:30 | |
And that's not what I found. | 0:57:30 | 0:57:33 | |
I found a lawsuit where Mark Fuhrman was the plaintiff. | 0:57:33 | 0:57:37 | |
He had actually sued the Los Angeles Pension Board | 0:57:37 | 0:57:43 | |
asking to be relieved as a police officer | 0:57:43 | 0:57:49 | |
and get a pension because his mind | 0:57:49 | 0:57:53 | |
was so poisoned by hatred of black people. | 0:57:53 | 0:57:56 | |
And I thought to myself, "Now that's a story." | 0:58:00 | 0:58:03 | |
I show up uninvited at Robert Shapiro's office | 0:58:07 | 0:58:12 | |
and I say, "I've been looking at Mark Fuhrman's file | 0:58:12 | 0:58:15 | |
"and there's some pretty amazing stuff in there." | 0:58:15 | 0:58:18 | |
And I remember, to this day, he sort of rocked back in his chair. | 0:58:18 | 0:58:21 | |
He says, "You saw that?" I said, "Yeah." | 0:58:21 | 0:58:24 | |
He says, "You think that's bad? We think he planted the glove." | 0:58:24 | 0:58:28 | |
CAMERA CLICKS | 0:58:28 | 0:58:30 | |
Fuhrman, according to this article, had used a lot of racial epithets. | 0:58:33 | 0:58:39 | |
Having that out there | 0:58:39 | 0:58:41 | |
really brought home the fact we've got a | 0:58:41 | 0:58:44 | |
dynamic here we're going to have to deal with. | 0:58:44 | 0:58:47 | |
They found a flaw in me and then they made up a nexus, | 0:58:47 | 0:58:53 | |
a connection to the flaw to the case. | 0:58:53 | 0:58:55 | |
I mean, I had a bad couple years... | 0:59:00 | 0:59:02 | |
..but I came out... | 0:59:05 | 0:59:09 | |
..better, I came out of it. | 0:59:10 | 0:59:12 | |
It is what it is. | 0:59:16 | 0:59:18 | |
That article came out at just about the same time Johnnie Cochran | 0:59:20 | 0:59:24 | |
was coming aboard the defence team. | 0:59:24 | 0:59:26 | |
And my thought at the time was, "Here comes the race card." | 0:59:26 | 0:59:32 | |
GOSPEL MUSIC | 0:59:32 | 0:59:33 | |
My name is Johnnie L Cochran Jr. | 0:59:39 | 0:59:41 | |
I am primarily a civil-rights lawyer, | 0:59:41 | 0:59:45 | |
and I represent a number of clients | 0:59:45 | 0:59:46 | |
who have had their civil rights abridged. | 0:59:46 | 0:59:49 | |
He and his firm were central players in this story | 0:59:50 | 0:59:55 | |
of the LAPD and race in Los Angeles. | 0:59:55 | 0:59:58 | |
Growing up in America, any African American will tell you that | 0:59:58 | 1:00:02 | |
we know we have to run faster, jump higher, work harder, | 1:00:02 | 1:00:06 | |
to do the same thing anyone else has to do. | 1:00:06 | 1:00:08 | |
APPLAUSE | 1:00:08 | 1:00:09 | |
Johnnie Cochran was always the icon | 1:00:09 | 1:00:13 | |
to young black and brown and oppressed people in Los Angeles | 1:00:13 | 1:00:17 | |
because Johnnie was that young, | 1:00:17 | 1:00:20 | |
dashing lawyer who took on the police. | 1:00:20 | 1:00:25 | |
Johnnie Cochran made his name | 1:00:25 | 1:00:28 | |
as a public lawyer in the Deadwyler case. | 1:00:28 | 1:00:31 | |
The latest explosion of violence in Watts really began here 11 days ago. | 1:00:31 | 1:00:37 | |
A negro motorist driving down here | 1:00:37 | 1:00:38 | |
was rushing his wife to the hospital. | 1:00:38 | 1:00:40 | |
She was having labour pains. | 1:00:40 | 1:00:42 | |
They were stopped, stopped by a white patrolman. | 1:00:42 | 1:00:45 | |
One policeman got out and came around to my side, | 1:00:45 | 1:00:50 | |
and my husband leaned over me and asked him if he would | 1:00:50 | 1:00:53 | |
lead him out to the hospital to...care of me. | 1:00:53 | 1:00:56 | |
And then he...he didn't say anything, and he shot him. | 1:00:58 | 1:01:03 | |
And he fell over me. | 1:01:04 | 1:01:07 | |
Mr Cochran would like to know, did you get inside the Deadwyler car | 1:01:14 | 1:01:18 | |
with the upper part of your body voluntarily? | 1:01:18 | 1:01:21 | |
Yes, sir. | 1:01:21 | 1:01:23 | |
Mr Cochran would like to know, | 1:01:23 | 1:01:25 | |
did you observe any weapons within the Deadwyler car? | 1:01:25 | 1:01:29 | |
-No, sir, I did not. -"Mr Cochran wants to know" - | 1:01:29 | 1:01:32 | |
that became the catchphrase, because | 1:01:32 | 1:01:34 | |
the lawyer himself could not ask the questions. | 1:01:34 | 1:01:37 | |
He had to go through the county council. | 1:01:37 | 1:01:40 | |
Mr Cochran would like to know if you've been trained to keep your | 1:01:40 | 1:01:43 | |
-weapon away from a suspect. -Yes, sir. | 1:01:43 | 1:01:46 | |
Johnnie was, like, 27, 28 years old then. He was a young whippersnapper. | 1:01:46 | 1:01:51 | |
Mr Cochran would like to know, | 1:01:53 | 1:01:55 | |
while you were at the Los Angeles police academy, | 1:01:55 | 1:01:57 | |
did they train you to put your | 1:01:57 | 1:01:59 | |
upper part of your body inside a car? | 1:01:59 | 1:02:02 | |
Not specifically that, no. | 1:02:04 | 1:02:06 | |
Because it was a televised trial... | 1:02:14 | 1:02:16 | |
..he became a hero to everybody in the South Central community. | 1:02:18 | 1:02:21 | |
Few people had higher standing, deeper standing. | 1:02:26 | 1:02:31 | |
Johnnie was always that stalwart defender of justice, | 1:02:31 | 1:02:36 | |
fighting against the Bastille. | 1:02:36 | 1:02:39 | |
Each of the defendants across the board were found not guilty of the | 1:02:39 | 1:02:42 | |
assaults on the police officers. | 1:02:42 | 1:02:44 | |
Mr Settles was beaten. The booking photos show that. | 1:02:44 | 1:02:46 | |
I want to know if they had anything to do with his death. | 1:02:46 | 1:02:49 | |
I want to know whether or not he hung himself | 1:02:49 | 1:02:51 | |
or whether or not he was hung. | 1:02:51 | 1:02:53 | |
The only version that you heard of what transpired was what the | 1:02:53 | 1:02:56 | |
police officers told you, isn't that correct? | 1:02:56 | 1:02:58 | |
It's not that Johnnie was the only good lawyer for OJ Simpson, | 1:03:00 | 1:03:02 | |
but I would say that he and his firm | 1:03:02 | 1:03:05 | |
were the only lawyers that would really understand | 1:03:05 | 1:03:07 | |
and argue this case in the context of | 1:03:07 | 1:03:10 | |
the LAPD's relationship to African Americans. | 1:03:10 | 1:03:14 | |
Now, did he also like a big celebrity trial? You bet. | 1:03:14 | 1:03:17 | |
Michael Jackson has maintained | 1:03:17 | 1:03:19 | |
his innocence from the beginning of this matter. | 1:03:19 | 1:03:22 | |
He still maintains that innocence. | 1:03:22 | 1:03:25 | |
He was a big character, he was flamboyant. | 1:03:25 | 1:03:29 | |
-I love you. CHILD: -Hi, Johnnie! | 1:03:29 | 1:03:30 | |
-God bless you. -Thank you. | 1:03:30 | 1:03:32 | |
We were talking about different styles of lawyering | 1:03:32 | 1:03:35 | |
and how you make a case to a jury, and he said | 1:03:35 | 1:03:37 | |
about predominately African American juries, | 1:03:37 | 1:03:39 | |
he goes, "Jimmy" - which is what he used to call me - | 1:03:39 | 1:03:41 | |
-he said, "Jimmy, blacks like big." -LAUGHING | 1:03:41 | 1:03:43 | |
And he liked to be big. | 1:03:43 | 1:03:45 | |
My daughter was in the Watts parade, and | 1:03:59 | 1:04:03 | |
Johnnie Cochran was the grand marshal. | 1:04:03 | 1:04:07 | |
He said, "I want to see you guys at the trial." | 1:04:08 | 1:04:12 | |
I hadn't planned to go, but since he asked me, | 1:04:14 | 1:04:19 | |
I said, "Well, Johnnie wants me to come, and he asked me to come, | 1:04:19 | 1:04:22 | |
"so I'm coming down here. I'm going to find a way to get here every day. | 1:04:22 | 1:04:25 | |
OJ Simpson is about to appear in a Los Angeles courtroom. | 1:04:30 | 1:04:33 | |
He's going to enter a plea, a date for trial is going to be set, | 1:04:33 | 1:04:36 | |
and a judge to oversee the trial is going to be appointed. | 1:04:36 | 1:04:41 | |
This is the time set for the arraignment of Mr Simpson. | 1:04:41 | 1:04:45 | |
Mr Simpson, you are charged with the crime of murder. | 1:04:45 | 1:04:48 | |
-Are you ready to enter a plea at this time? -Yes, Your Honour. | 1:04:48 | 1:04:51 | |
How do you plea to counts one and two? | 1:04:51 | 1:04:54 | |
Absolutely 100% not guilty. | 1:04:54 | 1:04:57 | |
That's what I want to hear, you're not guilty. | 1:04:57 | 1:05:01 | |
He was back on his feet and ready | 1:05:01 | 1:05:03 | |
to tell the whole world that he was wrongly accused. | 1:05:03 | 1:05:05 | |
And it was just the biggest bunch of horse shit. | 1:05:05 | 1:05:08 | |
Thank you, you may be seated. | 1:05:08 | 1:05:09 | |
But he sold it. | 1:05:09 | 1:05:11 | |
I gave him a thumbs up. He looked over to me and he waved at me. | 1:05:13 | 1:05:18 | |
He was very good-looking. | 1:05:18 | 1:05:21 | |
And that day he was REALLY good-looking. | 1:05:21 | 1:05:24 | |
I may not have thought he was a big celebrity, but it | 1:05:26 | 1:05:29 | |
became really clear to me super fast that he was to others. | 1:05:29 | 1:05:33 | |
OJ Simpson, I really admire the guy. Football, and a great actor. | 1:05:33 | 1:05:38 | |
OJ Simpson has been a hero of mine since college. | 1:05:38 | 1:05:41 | |
I think he's a great man and a great hero | 1:05:41 | 1:05:44 | |
and has touched a lot of lives. | 1:05:44 | 1:05:46 | |
I don't think he did it. | 1:05:47 | 1:05:48 | |
He don't seem like that kind of person. | 1:05:48 | 1:05:52 | |
I'm assigning the case to Judge Lance Ito. | 1:05:52 | 1:05:56 | |
Judge Ito is a choice that's acceptable to counsel. | 1:05:56 | 1:06:00 | |
Judge Ito will be acceptable for the People, as well. | 1:06:00 | 1:06:03 | |
Very well. Thank you. Then that is the assignment. | 1:06:03 | 1:06:06 | |
Here's the first time we'll really get to see the system, | 1:06:06 | 1:06:10 | |
to see if it really works | 1:06:10 | 1:06:12 | |
for someone with some money, a celebrity... | 1:06:12 | 1:06:16 | |
a well-loved, respected, cherished type of man. | 1:06:16 | 1:06:20 | |
Now, let's see if justice can work for him. | 1:06:20 | 1:06:25 | |
There's nothing more important | 1:06:38 | 1:06:40 | |
during a jury trial than the selection of your jury. | 1:06:40 | 1:06:44 | |
I mean, you can win or lose your case right there. | 1:06:47 | 1:06:50 | |
The issue of where to conduct the trial, | 1:06:52 | 1:06:55 | |
the Santa Monica courthouse, largely white jury pool, | 1:06:55 | 1:07:00 | |
downtown LA, largely black jury pool. | 1:07:01 | 1:07:04 | |
Gil Garcetti, the DA, always said, | 1:07:05 | 1:07:07 | |
"Well, it just logistically had to be downtown." | 1:07:07 | 1:07:10 | |
A lot of us thought that Gil Garcetti, | 1:07:10 | 1:07:13 | |
elected official, needed to protect | 1:07:13 | 1:07:16 | |
his reputation in the black community, | 1:07:16 | 1:07:18 | |
a big voting block, by keeping the case downtown. | 1:07:18 | 1:07:22 | |
I'm confident that we can, indeed, | 1:07:22 | 1:07:26 | |
find white, black, brown, every colour juror | 1:07:26 | 1:07:29 | |
there is who will, indeed, be fair and impartial. | 1:07:29 | 1:07:33 | |
I think it would have been societally better, | 1:07:33 | 1:07:38 | |
from the DA's perspective, to win a conviction downtown | 1:07:38 | 1:07:42 | |
and to not be accused of having stacked this | 1:07:42 | 1:07:45 | |
in such a way that whites were to stand in judgment of black men. | 1:07:45 | 1:07:49 | |
If you have a juror who believes | 1:07:52 | 1:07:54 | |
the police never do anything wrong, you're in tough shape. | 1:07:54 | 1:07:58 | |
Certainly, you can find most people | 1:07:58 | 1:08:01 | |
want to believe their police officers are | 1:08:01 | 1:08:03 | |
fair and want to do their job and so that's a given, you start with that, | 1:08:03 | 1:08:07 | |
but you've got to find that person who | 1:08:07 | 1:08:09 | |
understands that in the real world that doesn't happen all the time. | 1:08:09 | 1:08:13 | |
We interviewed over 5,000 people in Los Angeles | 1:08:15 | 1:08:19 | |
in preparation for the OJ Simpson trial. | 1:08:19 | 1:08:22 | |
The conclusions were that... | 1:08:22 | 1:08:25 | |
just presenting the straight-up evidence, | 1:08:25 | 1:08:28 | |
you weren't going to get a lot of | 1:08:28 | 1:08:30 | |
sympathetic African American females. | 1:08:30 | 1:08:34 | |
Many harboured a resentment that this famous athlete, | 1:08:34 | 1:08:38 | |
this charming guy, had married a white, blonde woman | 1:08:38 | 1:08:42 | |
rather than someone from his own community. | 1:08:42 | 1:08:46 | |
But the antagonism was to her and not him. | 1:08:46 | 1:08:50 | |
OJ, you look gorgeous right now. | 1:08:50 | 1:08:52 | |
How come you're so loyal to this man who married a white woman | 1:08:54 | 1:08:59 | |
and was dating her while he was married to a black woman? | 1:08:59 | 1:09:03 | |
I mean, doesn't any of this make you feel a little less defensive of him? | 1:09:05 | 1:09:11 | |
Marcia Clark had this faith about her ability to connect | 1:09:11 | 1:09:17 | |
with African American women. | 1:09:17 | 1:09:20 | |
African American women had been some of my best jurors on previous cases, | 1:09:20 | 1:09:24 | |
even when the defendant was an African American. | 1:09:24 | 1:09:27 | |
There was just a way, an easy way I had, that I could talk to them. | 1:09:27 | 1:09:31 | |
Now we will show you the other side of the smiling face you | 1:09:31 | 1:09:33 | |
saw on the Hertz commercial... | 1:09:33 | 1:09:35 | |
We had trial simulations. | 1:09:35 | 1:09:37 | |
..the one you never saw on camera. | 1:09:37 | 1:09:39 | |
Marcia was not received positively. | 1:09:39 | 1:09:44 | |
Marcia Clark, every black woman, "Bitch." | 1:09:44 | 1:09:48 | |
When they had the mock jury, the mock trial, and some of the comments | 1:09:50 | 1:09:54 | |
came back about you, about maybe being really hard or tough, what did | 1:09:54 | 1:09:58 | |
you think when you heard some of that? | 1:09:58 | 1:09:59 | |
I was very surprised. The balance of them | 1:09:59 | 1:10:03 | |
said good things, so, you know, the media | 1:10:03 | 1:10:05 | |
takes one kernel and blows it up into a huge bowl of popcorn. | 1:10:05 | 1:10:10 | |
Marcia tended to discount the fact that black women jurors didn't | 1:10:11 | 1:10:16 | |
seem to appreciate her very much. | 1:10:16 | 1:10:18 | |
'I had no illusions about what I was going to be up against.' | 1:10:20 | 1:10:24 | |
The odds were stacked against us | 1:10:24 | 1:10:25 | |
in terms of the African American jurors, | 1:10:25 | 1:10:27 | |
because that's what the polls showed. | 1:10:27 | 1:10:29 | |
A California poll released today found that only 10% of blacks | 1:10:29 | 1:10:33 | |
who were surveyed believed it is very likely that Simpson was guilty. | 1:10:33 | 1:10:37 | |
The ideal juror would have been | 1:10:39 | 1:10:42 | |
younger, ie someone not familiar | 1:10:42 | 1:10:45 | |
with Simpson at the height of his fame, Asian or probably white. | 1:10:45 | 1:10:51 | |
All we want, just give me 12 fair, responsible, unbiased jurors | 1:10:53 | 1:11:00 | |
who are going to follow the law and put aside their personal feelings | 1:11:00 | 1:11:04 | |
and do what the court and the law requires. | 1:11:04 | 1:11:08 | |
In Los Angeles today, the judge and lawyers | 1:11:14 | 1:11:17 | |
in the OJ Simpson murder trial began | 1:11:17 | 1:11:19 | |
interviewing prospective jurors face-to-face. | 1:11:19 | 1:11:22 | |
Just to set the scene for you, when all of the jurors walk in, | 1:11:28 | 1:11:33 | |
all the attorneys are lined up like a receiving line, | 1:11:33 | 1:11:37 | |
and several times during the proceedings, | 1:11:37 | 1:11:39 | |
OJ Simpson would turn and seem to make eye contact with people | 1:11:39 | 1:11:43 | |
and occasionally smile at people in the audience. | 1:11:43 | 1:11:47 | |
The quest for impartial jurors has | 1:12:17 | 1:12:19 | |
been going on now for more than a month. | 1:12:19 | 1:12:22 | |
They called me to the chair. | 1:12:27 | 1:12:30 | |
When I sat down, I didn't even put my purse down, | 1:12:31 | 1:12:34 | |
because I felt like it was going to be that quick, | 1:12:34 | 1:12:37 | |
they'd say, "You're excused." | 1:12:37 | 1:12:38 | |
I'm looking at the list. I know what's coming up. | 1:12:38 | 1:12:41 | |
I know who's left behind me. I know what I've got in the box. | 1:12:41 | 1:12:44 | |
I have to look and see am I going to do better or worse. | 1:12:44 | 1:12:47 | |
There was a process of what I have labelled | 1:12:47 | 1:12:51 | |
as "reverse Darwinism", | 1:12:51 | 1:12:53 | |
what I call the survival of the most unfit jurors. | 1:12:53 | 1:12:56 | |
Many, it seems, want to watch, but fewer wish to serve. | 1:12:56 | 1:13:00 | |
91 of 219 people summoned for | 1:13:00 | 1:13:03 | |
Simpson jury duty said in a questionnaire | 1:13:03 | 1:13:05 | |
a likely six-month trial would be too great a hardship. | 1:13:05 | 1:13:09 | |
I think it's the only way to assure | 1:13:13 | 1:13:16 | |
that we are going to have a fair trial for both sides. | 1:13:16 | 1:13:22 | |
Jurors who were available for six months | 1:13:22 | 1:13:26 | |
skewed heavily towards a lower socioeconomic | 1:13:26 | 1:13:33 | |
strata of jurors and a much more diverse jury pool. | 1:13:33 | 1:13:39 | |
A lot of smart jurors who might have been | 1:13:39 | 1:13:41 | |
open to DNA scientific evidence simply went by the wayside. | 1:13:41 | 1:13:45 | |
We didn't have many of our type of juror. | 1:13:46 | 1:13:50 | |
I thought, "OK, I better quit while I'm behind | 1:13:51 | 1:13:54 | |
"and not get further behind," because it was | 1:13:54 | 1:13:56 | |
only going to go downhill from there. | 1:13:56 | 1:13:58 | |
They said, "Your Honour, we accept," | 1:14:00 | 1:14:03 | |
and at that point, I sunk in my chair. | 1:14:03 | 1:14:07 | |
I was stunned. | 1:14:07 | 1:14:08 | |
"Oh, my God! Oh, my God!" And I told my daughter, | 1:14:08 | 1:14:14 | |
and she said, "Oh, Mother, oh, my God." | 1:14:14 | 1:14:18 | |
Huh! And my son, he said, "Oh, my God, Mother." | 1:14:19 | 1:14:24 | |
Mm. And that was it. | 1:14:25 | 1:14:29 | |
In the end, we did the best we could with a bad lot. | 1:14:29 | 1:14:33 | |
We wound up with eight African American women. | 1:14:35 | 1:14:38 | |
I thought, "You know, it'll be an uphill battle, | 1:14:38 | 1:14:41 | |
"but I think they'll listen." | 1:14:41 | 1:14:44 | |
"Thrilled. We're thrilled." | 1:14:44 | 1:14:46 | |
We were so stunned | 1:14:46 | 1:14:48 | |
that we had such a large collection of favourable jurors. | 1:14:48 | 1:14:53 | |
75% of the actual jurors believed... | 1:14:53 | 1:14:57 | |
..that he could not have committed these murders | 1:14:58 | 1:15:01 | |
because he excelled at football at USC. | 1:15:01 | 1:15:03 | |
The only thing that could get you through sometimes is that guys | 1:15:04 | 1:15:07 | |
look at each other and say, "Hey, man, we are SC!" | 1:15:07 | 1:15:09 | |
HE LAUGHS | 1:15:09 | 1:15:12 | |
We were about to walk into the lockup from the courtroom. | 1:15:12 | 1:15:17 | |
OJ looked back one last time. | 1:15:17 | 1:15:21 | |
It was me, Johnnie. We were going back to talk about everything. | 1:15:21 | 1:15:24 | |
And OJ said, "Guys, if this jury convicts me, | 1:15:24 | 1:15:29 | |
"maybe I DID do it." | 1:15:29 | 1:15:32 | |
BIRDSONG | 1:15:42 | 1:15:43 | |
Now, it's taken seven months to reach this point. | 1:15:55 | 1:15:59 | |
We are, and I think the client is, really, really pleased, that we | 1:16:02 | 1:16:05 | |
can have someone stand up and speak to the tryers of fact. | 1:16:05 | 1:16:09 | |
Time to stop posturing. Let's go to trial. | 1:16:10 | 1:16:14 | |
Have a good one, everybody. | 1:16:14 | 1:16:17 | |
Ready? | 1:16:17 | 1:16:18 | |
Five, four, three, two, one. | 1:16:18 | 1:16:23 | |
Counsel and the audience, please be seated. | 1:16:27 | 1:16:30 | |
All right, are both sides prepared to go forward, Mr Cochran? | 1:16:32 | 1:16:35 | |
-We are, Your Honour. -Ms Clark? -Yes, we are, Your Honour. | 1:16:35 | 1:16:37 | |
All right, do the People wish to make an opening statement? | 1:16:37 | 1:16:40 | |
Yes, we do. | 1:16:40 | 1:16:41 | |
All right, you may proceed. Mr Darden? Thank you. | 1:16:41 | 1:16:44 | |
When we started off, | 1:16:47 | 1:16:49 | |
the prosecution had their team of lawyers. | 1:16:49 | 1:16:53 | |
Your Honour Judge Ito, Mr Cochran, | 1:16:53 | 1:16:56 | |
Mr Shapiro and Dean Allman... | 1:16:56 | 1:16:58 | |
And here's this new face at the table. | 1:16:59 | 1:17:01 | |
..and to you ladies and gentlemen of the jury, good morning. | 1:17:01 | 1:17:05 | |
And I'm like, "Why did they bring him here?" | 1:17:05 | 1:17:08 | |
And we're here today, obviously, to resolve an issue, | 1:17:08 | 1:17:13 | |
to settle a question, a question that has been on the minds of | 1:17:13 | 1:17:17 | |
people throughout the country these last seven months. | 1:17:17 | 1:17:20 | |
It certainly has been on the mind of my people up in Richmond, California | 1:17:20 | 1:17:23 | |
and friends in Fayetteville, Georgia and all across the country, and | 1:17:23 | 1:17:26 | |
everybody wants to know, did OJ Simpson | 1:17:26 | 1:17:29 | |
really kill Nicole Brown and Ronald Goldman. | 1:17:29 | 1:17:32 | |
It was apparent to everyone in America... | 1:17:34 | 1:17:41 | |
why he was now on the case. | 1:17:41 | 1:17:42 | |
Well, certainly because he was black. | 1:17:44 | 1:17:46 | |
Because he was a good lawyer. | 1:17:46 | 1:17:49 | |
"He's a good lawyer, we needed to add to the team, | 1:17:49 | 1:17:51 | |
"thicken the team up." That's the party line. | 1:17:51 | 1:17:53 | |
I thought Chris was a very good trial lawyer. | 1:17:55 | 1:17:59 | |
Any questions for Chris? | 1:17:59 | 1:18:02 | |
'He was young, he was learning.' | 1:18:02 | 1:18:04 | |
Come on, man, come on. | 1:18:04 | 1:18:05 | |
Look at this guy. Come on! We have to drag him over here. | 1:18:05 | 1:18:09 | |
But he was very good. | 1:18:09 | 1:18:10 | |
There was a little bit of cockiness, | 1:18:12 | 1:18:15 | |
but it was not an offensive cockiness. | 1:18:15 | 1:18:18 | |
I don't care what anybody says. I dress better than Johnnie Cochran. | 1:18:18 | 1:18:21 | |
LAUGHTER | 1:18:21 | 1:18:22 | |
Johnnie, I'm going to introduce you to my... | 1:18:22 | 1:18:24 | |
Well, I'm going to show you the rack where I buy my suits. | 1:18:24 | 1:18:27 | |
He had a pretty good reputation as someone who could build a case. | 1:18:27 | 1:18:33 | |
And of course, most notably, Chris was black. | 1:18:33 | 1:18:37 | |
And, uh... | 1:18:38 | 1:18:39 | |
Marcia and I were not. | 1:18:42 | 1:18:44 | |
You hear a lot about this talk about justice. | 1:18:46 | 1:18:49 | |
I guess Dr Martin Luther King said it best | 1:18:49 | 1:18:51 | |
when he said that injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere. | 1:18:51 | 1:18:56 | |
And so we are now embarked upon this search for justice. | 1:18:56 | 1:19:00 | |
I have to tell you personally, for all the cases I've tried, | 1:19:01 | 1:19:05 | |
I never felt so white. | 1:19:05 | 1:19:07 | |
It seems to me that the fact that blood | 1:19:07 | 1:19:10 | |
mysteriously appears on vital pieces of evidence | 1:19:10 | 1:19:14 | |
and it's predicted what the results will be regarding DNA | 1:19:14 | 1:19:18 | |
when that evidence is still in the police lab | 1:19:18 | 1:19:22 | |
is devastating evidence of something far more sinister. | 1:19:22 | 1:19:27 | |
Using the concept of a conspiracy, historically, | 1:19:27 | 1:19:33 | |
in Los Angeles will resonate with diverse jurors | 1:19:33 | 1:19:38 | |
who know about this history. | 1:19:38 | 1:19:41 | |
You had to have someone to blame. | 1:19:42 | 1:19:45 | |
Detective Mark Fuhrman, now, it's very interesting | 1:19:47 | 1:19:51 | |
that the prosecution never once mentioned his name yesterday. | 1:19:51 | 1:19:56 | |
It's like they just want to hide him. | 1:19:56 | 1:19:58 | |
But they can't hide him. He's very much a part of this case. | 1:19:58 | 1:20:01 | |
Chris Darden saw that this case | 1:20:03 | 1:20:07 | |
was becoming this weird referendum on the LAPD... | 1:20:07 | 1:20:13 | |
GLASS BREAKS | 1:20:13 | 1:20:15 | |
..on the history of race in Los Angeles. | 1:20:15 | 1:20:18 | |
MAN CRIES OUT | 1:20:18 | 1:20:20 | |
And Chris, he understood those issues. | 1:20:20 | 1:20:23 | |
He had worked in what was then our SID unit, | 1:20:24 | 1:20:27 | |
which investigated police abuse cases. | 1:20:27 | 1:20:32 | |
They obtained those warrants | 1:20:33 | 1:20:35 | |
simply to level and make uninhabitable those locations. | 1:20:35 | 1:20:38 | |
Any of the police officers that were | 1:20:38 | 1:20:40 | |
called to testify by us lied on the stand. | 1:20:40 | 1:20:43 | |
It was obvious to everyone that they were lying. | 1:20:43 | 1:20:46 | |
Every black lawyer idolised Johnnie Cochran in 1994. | 1:20:46 | 1:20:52 | |
And I say Chris Darden wanted to outJohnnie Johnnie. | 1:20:53 | 1:20:59 | |
He wanted to beat the man on the biggest stage of his career. | 1:21:00 | 1:21:07 | |
Police detective Mark Fuhrman, | 1:21:13 | 1:21:15 | |
did he find or plant a bloody glove at Simpson's estate? | 1:21:15 | 1:21:19 | |
Judge Lance Ito must soon decide whether the jury gets to hear | 1:21:19 | 1:21:22 | |
about Detective Fuhrman's chequered past. | 1:21:22 | 1:21:25 | |
We knew Fuhrman was going to be an important witness. | 1:21:27 | 1:21:30 | |
People had indicated that he had used racist language | 1:21:30 | 1:21:33 | |
in an offensive way, in a way that I think jurors | 1:21:33 | 1:21:37 | |
and everybody else would not like. | 1:21:37 | 1:21:39 | |
The N word, or any other racial epithet, | 1:21:39 | 1:21:42 | |
has an inflammatory effect that is incomparable, | 1:21:42 | 1:21:45 | |
and to that specific issue Mr Darden wishes to address the court, and | 1:21:45 | 1:21:50 | |
-I think I'll conclude my comments at this time. -All right, thank you. | 1:21:50 | 1:21:53 | |
Mr Darden, good morning. | 1:21:53 | 1:21:55 | |
Good morning, Your Honour. | 1:21:55 | 1:21:59 | |
Your Honour, I think the best indication | 1:21:59 | 1:22:00 | |
or evidence of just how inflammatory the use of this word is | 1:22:00 | 1:22:04 | |
is the fact that it appears that Mr Cochran and I, | 1:22:04 | 1:22:08 | |
the only two black lead lawyers on each side of the counsel table, | 1:22:08 | 1:22:12 | |
are somehow dragged into this issue, to argue the issue to the court. | 1:22:12 | 1:22:16 | |
They used him to make the argument | 1:22:16 | 1:22:22 | |
that an African American jury | 1:22:22 | 1:22:24 | |
cannot listen to the utterance of that word | 1:22:24 | 1:22:28 | |
in some sort of dispassionate, objective way. | 1:22:28 | 1:22:32 | |
It blinds people. | 1:22:32 | 1:22:33 | |
It will blind the jury. It will blind them to the truth. | 1:22:35 | 1:22:38 | |
They won't be able to discern what's true and what's not. | 1:22:38 | 1:22:42 | |
He hit the nail on the head. He said, "If you do this, you know, | 1:22:42 | 1:22:45 | |
"then that's all this case is going to be about." | 1:22:45 | 1:22:48 | |
All they'll think about is "frame-up, frame-up, frame-up". | 1:22:48 | 1:22:51 | |
All they have to do is mention the word, | 1:22:51 | 1:22:53 | |
say to Mark Fuhrman, "Hey, did you ever | 1:22:53 | 1:22:55 | |
"use that N word?", and he'll say, "Yeah," and it's over, | 1:22:55 | 1:22:57 | |
he must have planted the glove. | 1:22:57 | 1:23:00 | |
I remember whispering to Johnnie, | 1:23:00 | 1:23:03 | |
"Is this nigger serious?" | 1:23:03 | 1:23:05 | |
And I'm not saying Mark Fuhrman is a racist. | 1:23:05 | 1:23:07 | |
"Is this nigger crazy?" | 1:23:07 | 1:23:08 | |
He was suffering from stress, and it has to be stressful to be a | 1:23:08 | 1:23:11 | |
police officer in the city of LA - jeez, the stuff that's going on | 1:23:11 | 1:23:13 | |
in this city in the last five to six years. | 1:23:13 | 1:23:17 | |
"Is he serious? | 1:23:17 | 1:23:18 | |
"Or is he just carrying the white man's bucket?" | 1:23:19 | 1:23:22 | |
It will give them a test, and the test will be whose side are you on, | 1:23:22 | 1:23:25 | |
the side of the white prosecutors and the white policemen | 1:23:25 | 1:23:28 | |
or are you on the side of the black defendant and | 1:23:28 | 1:23:31 | |
his very prominent and capable black lawyer. | 1:23:31 | 1:23:34 | |
That's what it's going to do - either you're | 1:23:34 | 1:23:36 | |
with the man or you're with the brothers. | 1:23:36 | 1:23:39 | |
I must say, and this is one of those bracing moments - this is why | 1:23:41 | 1:23:44 | |
you need diversity in newsrooms, by the way - | 1:23:44 | 1:23:47 | |
that I came out of there thinking Darden made a pretty good point, | 1:23:47 | 1:23:50 | |
that it's such a shocking word | 1:23:50 | 1:23:52 | |
that I found myself flinching at the use of it. | 1:23:52 | 1:23:55 | |
My colleague Andrea Ford, an African American woman, | 1:23:55 | 1:23:58 | |
was outraged. | 1:23:58 | 1:24:00 | |
She felt it really was insulting to blacks, to African Americans, | 1:24:00 | 1:24:04 | |
to think that they couldn't hear the word and give it the proper weight. | 1:24:04 | 1:24:08 | |
And I remember thinking, after talking to Andrea, | 1:24:08 | 1:24:11 | |
"Wow, that didn't really occur to me." | 1:24:11 | 1:24:14 | |
It is a reminder that who we are | 1:24:14 | 1:24:16 | |
and how we're brought up does affect the way we hear things. | 1:24:16 | 1:24:19 | |
Thank you very much, Judge Ito. I have a funeral to attend today, but | 1:24:19 | 1:24:22 | |
I would be remiss were I not at this time | 1:24:22 | 1:24:26 | |
to take this opportunity to respond to my good friend Mr Chris Darden. | 1:24:26 | 1:24:29 | |
When Johnnie gets angry, which is very rare, | 1:24:29 | 1:24:33 | |
you know, he's remarkably articulate and good. | 1:24:33 | 1:24:37 | |
Johnnie got angry that day. | 1:24:37 | 1:24:39 | |
His remarks this morning are perhaps the most incredible remarks | 1:24:39 | 1:24:43 | |
I've heard in a court of law in the 32 years I've been practising law. | 1:24:43 | 1:24:48 | |
His remarks are demeaning to African Americans as a group. | 1:24:48 | 1:24:53 | |
And so I want, before I go to this funeral, | 1:24:54 | 1:24:58 | |
to apologise to African Americans across this country. | 1:24:58 | 1:25:01 | |
African Americans live with offensive words, | 1:25:01 | 1:25:04 | |
offensive looks, offensive treatment every day of their lives. | 1:25:04 | 1:25:08 | |
To say they can't be fair is absolutely outrageous. | 1:25:09 | 1:25:13 | |
I am ashamed | 1:25:13 | 1:25:16 | |
that Mr Darden would allow himself to become an apologist for this man. | 1:25:16 | 1:25:20 | |
You can't justify that in a civilised society. | 1:25:21 | 1:25:26 | |
Nobody wants to introduce race into this case, Your Honour. | 1:25:26 | 1:25:30 | |
Johnnie was dying to get the word "nigger" in front of the jury. | 1:25:30 | 1:25:33 | |
He also did it in such a way | 1:25:33 | 1:25:36 | |
that, frankly, he made Darden look ridiculous. | 1:25:36 | 1:25:38 | |
To come here and testify as an expert to you | 1:25:38 | 1:25:40 | |
of what black people think in America, | 1:25:40 | 1:25:42 | |
all across America today, believe me, | 1:25:42 | 1:25:45 | |
black people are offended at this very moment. | 1:25:45 | 1:25:47 | |
I think that Johnnie was rough on him. | 1:25:47 | 1:25:50 | |
I think it hurt his feelings. | 1:25:50 | 1:25:52 | |
A lot of people thought that Chris would end up at the Cochran firm. | 1:25:52 | 1:25:56 | |
And, obviously, that didn't happen. | 1:25:56 | 1:25:58 | |
People had contempt for him because | 1:26:00 | 1:26:02 | |
they felt like he was a tool that was being used. | 1:26:02 | 1:26:07 | |
It's a time not to do things that it seems to me will last | 1:26:07 | 1:26:10 | |
a person's entire career, such as insulting a whole race of people | 1:26:10 | 1:26:16 | |
who have meant so much to this country. | 1:26:16 | 1:26:18 | |
Let's be clear about this, the subtext | 1:26:18 | 1:26:22 | |
of everything Johnnie Cochran said about Chris Darden was Uncle Tom. | 1:26:22 | 1:26:28 | |
And it was egregiously unfair. | 1:26:29 | 1:26:32 | |
Johnnie Cochran, among other things, | 1:26:34 | 1:26:36 | |
tried OJ as an African American defendant | 1:26:36 | 1:26:39 | |
when OJ Simpson didn't really have | 1:26:39 | 1:26:42 | |
much of a reputation as an African American person, really. | 1:26:42 | 1:26:46 | |
I used to walk on the wild side. Now I just take a brisk walk. | 1:26:47 | 1:26:51 | |
This was not a person that you thought of as | 1:26:53 | 1:26:55 | |
a kind of iconic black figure in Los Angeles. | 1:26:55 | 1:27:00 | |
I mean, he lived two blocks from Mayor Riordan. | 1:27:00 | 1:27:02 | |
We wanted the jury to see Bundy, but the defence said, | 1:27:10 | 1:27:14 | |
"Well, if we're going to do that, we have to go to Rockingham." | 1:27:14 | 1:27:19 | |
They do not need to go to Rockingham, | 1:27:19 | 1:27:21 | |
but if they do, show them where they found the glove. | 1:27:21 | 1:27:24 | |
That's all that's arguably relevant. | 1:27:24 | 1:27:26 | |
POLICE RADIO CHATTER | 1:27:26 | 1:27:29 | |
We come to find that Ito was going to let them go into Rockingham. | 1:27:29 | 1:27:34 | |
He's going to march the jury through the inside of the house, | 1:27:34 | 1:27:37 | |
which is relevant to what? | 1:27:37 | 1:27:38 | |
No part of the crime happened inside the house. What are we doing there? | 1:27:38 | 1:27:42 | |
What we did that day is create an illusion. | 1:27:47 | 1:27:51 | |
When you would walk up the grand staircase, | 1:27:52 | 1:27:57 | |
there was a large wall with pictures of the family, | 1:27:57 | 1:28:00 | |
pictures of friends, pictures of OJ's career. | 1:28:00 | 1:28:07 | |
Problem was the overwhelming majority of | 1:28:07 | 1:28:12 | |
pictures were of Caucasian friends and colleagues of his. | 1:28:12 | 1:28:17 | |
We had an African American jury, | 1:28:21 | 1:28:24 | |
and we wanted to make sure that the home setting | 1:28:24 | 1:28:30 | |
would reflect the themes that we wanted to reflect. | 1:28:30 | 1:28:34 | |
We took all his white friends down, put all his black people up, | 1:28:35 | 1:28:40 | |
pictures he probably had never seen before, | 1:28:40 | 1:28:44 | |
because that's what we were told the jury would identify with. | 1:28:44 | 1:28:48 | |
We made him blacker. | 1:28:49 | 1:28:52 | |
There was a Norman Rockwell lithograph | 1:28:52 | 1:28:56 | |
that we took from Johnnie's office... | 1:28:56 | 1:28:59 | |
..and we put that picture at the very top of the stairs. | 1:29:01 | 1:29:06 | |
We did not remove all of his pictures with white people. | 1:29:08 | 1:29:13 | |
The whole house would have been gone, | 1:29:13 | 1:29:15 | |
it would have been dark. We didn't do that! | 1:29:15 | 1:29:19 | |
You have got to be kidding me. It's night and day. | 1:29:19 | 1:29:23 | |
This was an African American man's house | 1:29:23 | 1:29:25 | |
who had no associations with any white guys whatsoever. | 1:29:25 | 1:29:29 | |
Marcia saw the wall... | 1:29:29 | 1:29:34 | |
and she said, "Carl, you know damn well he has never | 1:29:34 | 1:29:38 | |
"had this many black people on his wall his entire life." | 1:29:38 | 1:29:42 | |
I said, "Marcia, what are talking about? | 1:29:42 | 1:29:45 | |
"How dare you accuse us of such things." | 1:29:45 | 1:29:49 | |
I was miserable. I was angry. | 1:29:50 | 1:29:52 | |
That is very dirty pool. | 1:29:52 | 1:29:55 | |
If we had had a Latin jury, | 1:29:55 | 1:29:57 | |
we would have had a picture of him in a sombrero, | 1:29:57 | 1:29:59 | |
there would have been a mariachi band out front, | 1:29:59 | 1:30:03 | |
we would have had a pinata at the upper staircase. | 1:30:03 | 1:30:07 | |
I objected, we went outside, we convened a hearing and I said, | 1:30:07 | 1:30:10 | |
"This has no relevance whatsoever. They've now changed the scene. | 1:30:10 | 1:30:13 | |
"It was never relevant to begin with and now it's completely irrelevant." | 1:30:13 | 1:30:18 | |
The defence is always going to push the envelope. That's what they do. | 1:30:18 | 1:30:22 | |
It's up to the judge to stop them. | 1:30:22 | 1:30:25 | |
Ito let them get away with it. | 1:30:25 | 1:30:27 | |
All of a sudden he became black. | 1:30:31 | 1:30:34 | |
They threw off the cape and now he's one of them. | 1:30:35 | 1:30:38 | |
I was surprised to see the depth of feeling that so many people in | 1:30:41 | 1:30:44 | |
the black community, certainly those around the courthouse, had for him. | 1:30:44 | 1:30:50 | |
I feel that he is not guilty and I also feel that he is being unfairly | 1:30:50 | 1:30:54 | |
treated, as so have a lot of African American persons | 1:30:54 | 1:30:57 | |
who have been through the judicial process. | 1:30:57 | 1:31:00 | |
I think that you find among black people | 1:31:01 | 1:31:04 | |
an incredible amount of forgiveness | 1:31:04 | 1:31:06 | |
for anybody living through the pain of being black in America. | 1:31:06 | 1:31:12 | |
They were not involved with OJ in terms of critical thinking. | 1:31:12 | 1:31:16 | |
-Why does he mean so much to you? -You know, I can't answer that. | 1:31:16 | 1:31:20 | |
This is just something that's really struck a chord with me | 1:31:20 | 1:31:23 | |
and I'm just compelled to be here. | 1:31:23 | 1:31:24 | |
He was a black man who was on trial that they | 1:31:24 | 1:31:29 | |
perceived that white people were trying to unfairly harm. | 1:31:29 | 1:31:37 | |
They're trying to railroad him. They need to find the murderer. | 1:31:37 | 1:31:40 | |
Go out and look for the murderer. | 1:31:40 | 1:31:42 | |
He's accused, but we all know he didn't do it. | 1:31:42 | 1:31:46 | |
He was wealthy, he was powerful, he was this, he was that. | 1:31:46 | 1:31:50 | |
There is a B-U-T. But... | 1:31:50 | 1:31:53 | |
..he was black. | 1:31:55 | 1:31:57 | |
-So he didn't do it? -No, he didn't do it. | 1:31:57 | 1:31:59 | |
-How do you know? -I know he didn't do it. | 1:31:59 | 1:32:01 | |
-How do you know? -I just know. | 1:32:01 | 1:32:03 | |
You may be at the top house in Beverly Hills... | 1:32:03 | 1:32:08 | |
..and I may be in the basement of a place in Watts... | 1:32:09 | 1:32:14 | |
but we are connected. | 1:32:14 | 1:32:19 |