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Across the country,

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empty properties that could be homes are waiting to be put back into use.

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I'll be finding out why and what you need to do to rescue a house for yourself.

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And I'll be doing some digging of my own

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to find out about our housing stock, our heritage,

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and why we should both be reinventing and preserving Britain's empty homes.

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It can be a daunting prospect,

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taking on a forgotten house in a state of disrepair.

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But beyond the broken windows and the overgrown gardens,

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there's potentially a beautiful family home just waiting

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to be discovered and given a new lease of life.

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On today's show, a couple who think an empty home may be the answer

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to their expanding family's need for more space.

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I'm quite excited about the house, actually.

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It's got the scope we're looking for to move on with our lives.

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I'll be showing them what they could achieve on their budget.

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What they've done with it is just

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so similar to what you were talking about earlier, it's untrue.

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And we'll be following a property detective

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on her mission to bring Stoke's empty houses back from the brink.

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It's important that we keep on top of this case, we don't let it slip.

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We do mean business and we do want to see results this time.

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Artist and gardener David McAndrew and his wife Claire,

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a healthcare worker, think taking on and extending an empty property

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may be the best way to achieve the spacious home they're looking for.

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We thought an empty house might be a bit more within our budget.

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We don't mind living in something that needs a lot of doing up

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so it's something we need to look into, whichever property we go for.

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The couple have two sons,

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Elliott and Oscar, and with a new baby due in seven months,

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they're looking for a house that is structurally sound and immediately habitable.

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I mean, we would have to buy somewhere and move into straightaway, we couldn't afford not to,

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um, with children, so that'll be lots of fun, I should imagine.

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BOTH LAUGH

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And it might be... It might be something we come to regret.

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Claire and David are renovation novices

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but enthusiastic DIYers, and with a budget of £170,000

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to buy and to refurb, they're prepared to get their hands dirty.

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We need to do a lot of the work ourselves.

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Obviously, not jobs that we'd obviously need to get a heating engineer in...

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-Contractors, yeah.

-Yeah, for jobs that needs doing properly, the electrics and things.

-Yes.

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The couple are aiming to buy and renovate

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a place before the baby arrives.

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It's going to be very nice to stand back knowing

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you've brought that house back to life, you've made it look like that,

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that's a home for your family to live there as a family

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and it's actually a home, not just a house.

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I'm meeting up with David and Claire in needs to show them around

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a three-bed house that's been empty since the owner died 12 months ago.

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Habitable and with the potential to extend,

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it could be just what they're looking for.

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Although this 1960s semi requires modernisation throughout

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and needs a new kitchen and bathroom,

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the family could feasibly live here throughout the build.

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From the back of the house, adding extra bedrooms shouldn't be a problem,

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even if David and Claire decide to do this in the future,

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as and when they've saved more money.

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-Hi, I'm Joe. David?

-Hi.

-Claire?

-Hi, Joe.

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Nice to meet you. How are you?

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-Fine, thank you, cold.

-Cold?

-Yes.

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Well, hopefully, this'll warm you up.

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-This is the property I want you to see, OK?

-OK.

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It's on the market for £140,000, so bang on budget in that respect.

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It's a good size, but let's treat this as an exercise, really in what an empty property can offer.

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-Without more ado, should we take a look?

-Certainly.

-OK.

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Right, come on in, guys. What are your first impressions?

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-It's a good size.

-It is.

-Are you a fan of busy carpets?

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Oh, absolutely, we'd want to keep that(!) Have it cleaned and keep it.

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No, perhaps we'd go with a different choice of carpet

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and perhaps we'd probably take that fire and surround out as well.

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-Definitely.

-The lady who lived here obviously did so

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with a great deal of pride in her home so it is comfortable,

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it's not got broken windows or anything.

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As empty properties go, actually, it's in a very reasonable state,

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so you could genuinely move straight in and tackle it room by room.

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This is exactly the kind of thing we're looking for.

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Nothing structural but certainly some hard work and decoration.

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That's perfect.

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And, of course, if we go this way...

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..these have already been knocked through,

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these two rooms joined,

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-so come on through and we'll have a look.

-Brilliant.

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And here's the dining room.

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So, you've got that kind of slightly open plan feel to it.

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-Yeah, I think I'd be tempted to...

-Take this out.

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Yes, take this wall out and have a big family room

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and block that up so we have an adult's room.

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Right, you're already clearly thinking,

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knock through or do something with it.

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Because we wanted... A big kitchen is important to me

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-and part of that is having it as a family room.

-Yep.

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So there'd be some wallpaper stripping to get you started anyway?

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Yes, we might splash out on a bit of plastering, call in a friend favour.

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Might keep that.

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-No, we're not keeping that.

-You quite like some of these style features.

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You can see the appeal of the '60s. I mean, it is all pretty unique.

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-Absolutely, yeah. But perhaps we might lose the carpet.

-OK.

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Well, guys, as soon as we come out here,

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there's a lot of potential, isn't there?

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Yeah, certainly on the side of the house,

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that's where I'd want to have an extension, definitely.

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I think it lends itself to that.

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-For everything you've said, this seems to suit you quite well, does it?

-Yes.

-Yes.

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Absolutely, I'm quite excited by the house, actually.

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It's got the scope that we're looking for to move on with our lives.

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-And we'd probably be keen to put an offer in.

-Yes.

-Wow.

-Absolutely.

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So, actually, if you do genuinely like this,

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you're going to be very interested in the property I'll show you later

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because it's the same period, it's the same size,

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and comes with the same challenges and the same potential.

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But you can take inspiration from what they've done.

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-How does that sound?

-Fantastic.

-Fantastic.

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We're all familiar with the sight of forlorn-looking houses left derelict and abandoned.

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But luckily there's a dedicated team of empty property officers

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up and down the country whose mission it is

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to track down the owners of these buildings and get them back into use.

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Zainul Pirmohamed is employed by Stoke City Council where she works

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around the clock to get the city's derelict houses back on track.

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We make a difference. And because we're passionate and because we want to change the look of the city,

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I think that's really important

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because the citizens of the city need that. So, for me,

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having that passion makes a difference because it makes a difference to people's lives.

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Today, Zainul is on her way to a terraced house in Hanley.

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This is a long-term empty and has been on her radar for two years.

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The council has put together a schedule of works

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to bring it back into use.

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The owner's deadline for completion is in two weeks' time

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but work has been slow

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and neighbours are complaining of vermin and pigeon infestations.

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Zainul is on her way to the house with environmental health inspector

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Adrian Derbyshire to check on progress.

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-Not much going on.

-Nothing's changed on the externalisation at all, has it?

-No.

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I think what we need to stress is the outside is priority.

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-We want that secured, looking tidy.

-Which will, obviously, help the community.

-All right, brill.

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And things aren't looking up inside.

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Oh. Right, OK.

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I just thought there would be...

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the rooms were going to be in,

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-and there would be floors.

-It looks like they started at some stage to do some renovation.

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But a lot of work to do, a massive project.

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I think what he's agreed to do that he'll put the windows

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-and the door in.

-That's correct.

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They're clearly going around boarding up

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to stop the pigeons getting inside.

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-And then we've agreed the floor is the next stage after that.

-OK, I'll make sure I've put that down.

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Whilst the boarding now seems to be keeping the pigeon population out,

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they've left their mark on their old home.

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We went into that property, we couldn't stay there,

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we had to do a quick inspection and out

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because the smell was overpowering from pigeon muck, and the mess.

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You could tell it's been used by the pigeons, coming in and out of there.

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Zainul and Adrian must carry out a full inspection

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and in the back yard, there is some improvement.

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-OK, well, cleaned the yard pretty good.

-Yes.

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-Did you put a gate on the schedule?

-I did, yeah.

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Brilliant, so at least that'll be done. Look at that there.

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I'm wondering if any kids get in here

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and they're messing around with this board.

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-If that glass...comes down on them.

-They need to put the new windows in.

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Yes. Now we've seen this, we need him to really get rid of this glass.

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-Yeah.

-It's pretty dangerous. It's secure but not safe.

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-We'll get him back to redo it again.

-All right, cheers.

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As works are behind schedule,

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Zainul will need to put more pressure on the owner to speed things up.

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It's important we keep on top of this case now,

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we don't let it slip, so he realises we DO mean business

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and we DO want to see results this time.

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Since filming, the building has been secured

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and new windows have been fitted.

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The owner has drawn up plans with an architect to renovate the house

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and work will start once planning permission has been granted.

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OK, let's be clear,

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taking on and renovating an empty home isn't for the fainthearted.

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Years of neglect can lead to some very unexpected and,

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therefore, expensive problems.

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But the benefits of taking on a forgotten property

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can, by far, outweigh the downsides.

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Giving a house a second lease of life can provide you

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with the home you've always wanted.

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Mark Williamson and his partner Paula Faiers

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took on the renovation of this 19th-century water tower back in 2009.

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From the moment Mark set eyes on the red brick structure, he was smitten.

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First time I came up the drive,

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I turned in and drove up that long drive and I thought,

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"Wow... Wow, it's got such a charm,

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"it's unique, it's just... incredible place to live."

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And I'm thinking, you know, "I've got to buy this.

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"How can I convince Paula?"

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THEY LAUGH

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And so I worked on her very, very slowly and said,

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"I found a lovely place, come and have a look."

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And I said, "What did you think?"

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She said, "Don't know whether I'd want to live out here."

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Paula had reasons to be concerned.

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This was a huge undertaking, even for Mark,

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who's a builder by trade.

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The kitchen was rotten, the ceiling was falling in,

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I knew that there was a lot of work

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and the building was in real poor state.

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And just looking in there, I thought,

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"Wow, what on earth have I let myself in for?"

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The couple lived on site

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in a caravan for the duration of the build.

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At first, it felt like you were on holiday as a child.

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-Six months on and you think...

-"I'm fed up with this holiday."

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Yes, I'm fed up with this holiday, I want to go home.

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There was days where I'd come from work and I'm here cutting holes in the tank,

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and stuff, where I would have paid £50 for a bath. I really would.

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In the end, they finished in just 10 months, well ahead of schedule.

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-Our aim was the year. So...

-In for Christmas.

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In for Christmas, that was the goal.

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-Certainly didn't want to put the turkey in the oven in the caravan.

-No, no.

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As well as carefully converting the original Victorian water tower,

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Mark and Paula have added a sympathetic two-storey extension,

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creating space for five bedrooms with the master

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sitting in what was the original water tank, right at the top.

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I would say the best part is the lounge,

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where we can sit there and take in 360-view of the fields,

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the wildlife, the sun setting.

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It is just amazing being so well elevated, so high up,

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and looking over unspoiled parkland is...unbelievable.

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I think I would have to say...

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that my kitchen

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is...the nicest...

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well, which I am most looking forward to being in, I think.

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But has this towering achievement left them thirsty for more?

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TOGETHER: Would we do it again?

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I always looked at this as being a one-off.

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I don't know if I'd want to do it again.

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Yeah, but I would say,

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bearing in mind how easily Paula adapted to it,

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and how much hands-on she was,

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it wouldn't worry me doing another one.

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-I'd have to give up my job first.

-Yeah, I can see that.

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I can't manage a job and do it as well.

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Tottenham, North London, is well-known for its football club

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but it's had more than its fair share of trouble, hitting the headlines again

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last year when rioting broke out there and quickly spread.

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Tottenham is one of the most deprived

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and run-down parts of the capital.

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Over the years, some pretty serious social unrest has grabbed

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a few headlines here, but locals want to regenerate the area

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and put Tottenham back on the map for the right reasons.

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Tottenham Hotspur stadium lies just behind the high road.

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The club's developers planned to extend the stadium

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and demolish a row of empty historic buildings.

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I'm meeting up with Alison Armour from the Tottenham Civic Society

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and architect Hugh Thomas who fought a lengthy campaign

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to stop this from happening.

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What was the plan for these sad, boarded-up buildings behind us?

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The original plan was to demolish the lot,

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in order to replace it with open space, in front of the new stadium.

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It would have meant the loss of at least a dozen listed buildings.

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So you're determined to save these buildings. How do you do that?

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We were given a meeting with the club's architects

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and planning team, so we had a lengthy discussion

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at their offices putting forward the points that we objected to.

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That's key, isn't it?

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Hugh, you came up with quite a novel solution of triggering some imagination?

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Yes, what I've done is done some watercolours

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to show what the village could look like if they were restored.

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Have you got any?

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Can we have a look? Because you painted them back to life. Wow!

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So that's exactly as it would look, you do a little research

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and you find out what the buildings and windows looked like and simply put it back.

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Obviously, if you just plough through them,

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you can never get that back,

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that character it brings to the area and the local history.

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No. Once they've gone, they've gone forever.

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And a lot of the story of this High Street has gone with it.

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What stage have you got to now with the campaign? Is there good news?

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Spurs revised their plan in the light of the objections,

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and they decided that four could be retained,

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plus the public space.

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And we've got a vastly improved public realm part.

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It really is a work of art.

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Here you've got a really good...

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-through history of local architecture.

-Yes.

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And it's going to stand well into the 21st century now,

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you've managed to safeguard it.

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-You must be delighted.

-Yes, we are.

-Job well done.

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You've got to be impressed with this campaign,

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and particularly the power of the art, of the watercolour involved.

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Really helping people visualise the potential

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but also the beauty of these buildings.

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And now, if all goes to plan, right here in the heart of Tottenham,

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you're going to have this amazing fusion

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of new and old architecture together,

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which should, fingers crossed,

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inspire further regeneration throughout the area.

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Earlier, I met David and Claire McAndrew and showed them

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an empty house with the potential to become a spacious family home.

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With lots of renovation questions on their mind,

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I'm taking them to meet a couple

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who turned a similar property into a stylish, modern abode.

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Guys, here we are, this is the place I brought you to see.

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It's a very similar period to the one we saw earlier.

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What they've done with it is just so similar to what you were talking about, it's almost untrue.

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I think you'll like this, I'm excited to show you around.

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When Richard and Carol Hall bought this three-bedroom semi

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in Cleckheaton, West Yorkshire, for £121,000,

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it had been empty for 12 months.

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On the first viewing, we were warned that

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it wasn't going to be very nice,

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and the smell wasn't going to be very nice. And boy, was he right.

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I walked in, I walked through the house and walked straight out again.

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I've got to admit, Carol saw further into it.

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I was hanging onto it, saying, "Have another look,

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"have another look, it's got potential."

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Richard and Carol had a modest budget of just £30,000,

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and Richard had to roll his sleeves up

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and do a lot of the building work himself.

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Mixing, and hodding bricks, at my age is a little bit difficult.

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Instead of carrying half a dozen like the builders do,

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I carried two or three, it takes twice as long.

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But who cares? I found it very interesting.

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But living on-site throughout the build had its own problems.

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One of the worst moments that I think we can say we had

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was when we didn't have a bathroom.

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And we had to boil a kettle of water

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and put it in a washing-up bowl, and have a wash in the utility area

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because we didn't have any facilities to do so.

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You work together. It can be stressful, you've got to be tolerant

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and you've got to understand.

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I don't think I'm the most tolerant of people!

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The couple overhauled every aspect of the house,

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from the wiring and the heating system

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to opening up the downstairs to create an open plan living, kitchen, dining area.

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Apart from the brick walls, there's nothing in this house

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that you might see that we haven't put in it.

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After eight long months, the renovation was finally complete.

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When you look at the before and the after,

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it's got to give you some satisfaction.

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It looks fabulous compared to where we started.

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I think we've made a nice, comfortable home

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out of what was quite a horrible, smelly old shell.

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I'm hoping that David and Claire will gain some useful tips

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and inspiration from these seasoned renovators.

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We'll go and look round properly.

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You've got an extension on the side and the back,

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and you remodelled the front, you had to move the door.

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-Yeah. And remodelled the back.

-Same situation, fantastic.

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I suggest we pop inside and examine your handiwork a bit closer.

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-As long as you don't look too close!

-Come on, lead the way.

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There are many similarities between this home

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and the house I showed David and Claire earlier,

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so it should really help them decide if it's the kind of renovation

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they're willing to take on.

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This is what I find interesting, the property we saw earlier,

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exactly the same. A dining room at the back, wall, and a back kitchen.

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This is what you talked about, knocking a wall out and extending it.

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It's exactly what I'd imagined,

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even down to having the large glassed area at the back.

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It's exactly what I was picturing

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when we were talking at the other house.

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So this sits within your visualisation

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-of what you would do, does it?

-Definitely.

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This is a comfy family area, you've still got a table,

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and the kitchen's really nice, it's at that end.

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How did you come up with the design for the kitchen?

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Basically, I knew what I wanted.

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The hob in the centre, with the pan drawer underneath.

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And just worked it out from there,

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with the oven and the fridge freezer at the side.

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I didn't want any of the appliances on show.

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One thing Carol did do with that kitchen,

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which was the brainstorm really, she actually sorted the kitchen,

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designed it, measured it,

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and then the builder built the wall in the right place.

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He didn't build and then Carol designed the kitchen into it.

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She did it first.

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So if you can do that, if you can get your idea of what you want

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and what units you want, and then put your wall in.

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-It took eight months, the build.

-The build took eight months.

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How did you cope in that time? What was it like living here?

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You've got to say, it's difficult, it's not easy.

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You've got to have a kitchen and washing facilities,

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which, at certain times of the build, we didn't have.

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So it is difficult, there's no doubt about it.

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As long as you're prepared for it, then it's not a problem.

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It's worth it, for as long as you live here for.

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It's only eight months out of a whole lifetime in the house.

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-So you're quite impressed with what you've seen?

-Absolutely.

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It's so lovely done, it's so nicely decorated, it's really nice to see.

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-OK.

-Having blocked up that door, we'll go back through the hall

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-and take a look at your front room.

-Okey-dokey.

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So, the main front room.

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When you were doing this project,

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how much of the work did you take on yourself?

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I do all the coving and woodwork,

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and then we do the wallpapering together,

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which we've done a tremendous amount of

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so we've got it down to a fine art as to how we do it together.

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When it comes to the extension itself,

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how involved were you in the actual building? Did you want to get stuck into it?

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Oh, yes, I was into it every day.

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It was literally, shovelling cement, shovelling sand, carrying bricks,

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putting scaffolding up, everything needed to assist the builder.

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-And that must have saved you money?

-Oh, yes, without a doubt.

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David, is that what you have in mind?

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Having a builder you'd work alongside on an extension,

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or would you give it a go yourself and then bring in contractors?

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No, give it a go myself, then ideally,

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the things that I don't know about,

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get contractors in and work alongside them, learn off them.

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And then move forward from there.

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Any final advice in terms of things for these guys to bear in mind

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when they approach a project like this?

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I think the first thing is definitely planning.

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It's planning in your mind, and on paper as well,

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what you want to do in the rooms and what you want to do externally.

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Are you encouraged from what you've seen here,

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are you up for this challenge?

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If you get something like the spectacular results they have here,

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if we can replicate that in the house we've seen earlier,

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I think we'll be very lucky people

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and our children would be very lucky children.

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Back in Stoke-on-Trent, empty property officer Zainul Pirmohamed

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is on a mission to save Britain's abandoned homes.

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Today, she's on her way to a house in Abbey Hulton

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that's blighted the neighbourhood for many years.

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After much pressure from Zainul, the previous owner has now sold up

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to a father and son team of developers

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who snapped up the building for just £29,000.

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Work is well under way,

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and Zainul is here today to ensure the refit is up to standard.

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'Last time I went into the property,

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'it was a mess inside. It wasn't habitable.

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'So I'm looking forward to seeing what the developer's done with it.'

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-Hello.

-Frank, Richard. Thanks for agreeing to meet me here today.

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-It's fine.

-It's looking lovely from the outside,

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love those windows. OK, we'll have a look inside, thank you.

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-Gosh, it's bigger up here than I expected it to be.

-Yep, opened up.

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Talk me through what you've done.

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We've put this partition up, managed to make another little room.

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I'm just looking at the bathroom,

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you're doing a good job there, lovely finish.

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It's lovely up here, you've converted it from a two-bed to a three-bed

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which makes it a lovely family home. Whilst we've got the two beds,

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they still haven't got the potential for the bigger family.

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So that's brilliant news. And it looks very different.

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I like the wooden flooring. Wow! It looks like a new property.

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-I thought you'd be impressed.

-You've done wonders with it.

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I wouldn't recognise it for being the same property from a few years ago.

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-I really wouldn't.

-Is it that long since you've been here?

-Yeah.

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And I like the new kitchen.

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My goodness, what a difference to what we had here!

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You're not going to have any problems letting this property.

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-Cos I'd move in!

-Yeah, I would!

-Lovely. What a brilliant job.

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This is actually one of the best transformations I've seen.

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I cannot believe... We go into a lot of follow-up properties once they're sold,

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and I've not, to date, seen a finish as good as this.

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And the standard here, it's absolutely brilliant.

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In fact, Zainul's so impressed she wants to use the project as publicity.

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Looking at that property, it just shows

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what potential there is in empty properties.

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I'm looking forward to coming back, seeing it fully finished with the carpets in,

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and later, I'll see it when the tenant's occupied it.

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Brilliant, it'll make a nice home for a family.

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Back in Yorkshire, David and Claire McAndrew

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have been visiting a house that's been transformed from a tired,

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unloved and un-lived-in 1960s semi, into a bright, airy family home.

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I'm hoping that this visit will have inspired them

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to take on an empty property of their own.

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Has this changed anything for you?

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I think it's just solidified what we were hoping, really,

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and it's proved what you can do

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when you put your mind to it, and with some hard work.

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It's really exciting.

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And looking back to the house we saw earlier,

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very similar to this in many ways,

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is it one that's still in your mind, you're eyeing up?

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Absolutely. I think as soon as we get a confirmed buyer for our house,

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it's something we will go back and have a second look at,

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-and think about putting in an offer.

-Wow, wow. That's pretty serious.

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Absolutely. So, yeah, thank you very much for the experience.

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I'm over the moon for you. Good luck with everything,

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particularly with the baby on the way. And I hope you do it,

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I hope you turn an empty property into your perfect home.

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-Thank you very much.

-Thanks.

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Didn't that go well?

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I think this was the perfect place for David and Claire to see.

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I think it's really vindicated some of their ideas.

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I hope it's inspired them and shown them what they want to do

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is possible, even on a tight budget, if they're really determined.

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They seem up for this.

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I've got no doubts they're going to find themselves an empty property,

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turn it into their dream home, and who knows?

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It could just be the one I showed them earlier.

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