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Up and down the country,

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there are properties waiting to be brought back to life.

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I'll be discovering why and how you can turn a diamond in the rough

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into a gem of a home.

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We'll be following the Empty Property Officers

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whose job it is to track down the owners of these forgotten houses

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and get them back into use.

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And I'll be finding out more

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about more about our housing stock, our history

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and why we should both be preserving and reinventing

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Britain's empty homes.

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The decision to take on an empty property

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and turn it into your home is never a simple one.

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In taking on a building that's been standing vacant, there's always

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an element of the unknown.

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But if you are prepared to do your research, plan and work hard,

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the benefits and rewards can far outweigh the risks.

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On today's show, I'll be meeting a couple who've taken on

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a disused house and have plans for a major renovation...

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In effect, it'll be two houses, so you've got old at the front

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and brand spanking new at the back.

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..I'll see what's being done to get houses lived in again

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along one of Britain's busiest roads...

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I think the community's getting back on its feet, following the blight and uncertainty.

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..and we'll be following

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one of Britain's Empty Property Officers, as they work

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to bring abandoned buildings back into use.

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Finally, for local people who live in this street,

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it's going to be an end of a nightmare for them.

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Jason Rodd and his fiancee Gail Dewing recently spent

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£200,000 on this detached cottage in the Nottinghamshire village

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of Southwell, home to the Bramley Apple.

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Dating back to the 17th century,

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it's believed to have been a former orchard worker's cottage.

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I think we fell for it a bit,

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even with the agent's photograph on the front of the details.

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It was obviously taken on a sunny day and it did look

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really nice and classic and cottage-y.

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When the previous owner moved into a retirement home,

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the house fell into disrepair.

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Gail and Jason are planning a total overhaul.

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We almost felt sorry for the building...

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The brickwork and everything is so lovely at front,

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and then you've got this utterly hideous

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'70s flat-roof extension on the back.

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A project on this scale is new for both of them

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and while Jason has done some renovation work before,

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for Gail, this is a step into the unknown.

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I have no experience, no physical, manual skills,

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but I do have vision of where we're going to get to.

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I'm meeting Jason and Gail at their cottage to discuss their plans

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and hear their ideas on how to unite the old house

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and the brand-new modern extension they're looking to build.

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So, guys, tell me about your beautiful cottage here.

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It was previously empty for over six months

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and we're in the process of renovating it.

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-Can we go inside and have a look round?

-Absolutely.

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Brilliant. Lead the way.

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At the moment, the house has three bedrooms and a small living area,

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but Gail and Jason have big ideas for the property.

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So, we're in the main part of the cottage, the living room.

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-That's correct.

-It's beautiful, really cosy size.

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Now, where do you start on a project like this?

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The first thing we had to do was get the house dried out.

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It was absolutely damp, you could smell it as soon as you came in.

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So, the first brief was get as much off the walls as you possibly could,

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which... Jason has done all the work in here, as you can see.

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Already, the house is drying out.

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What's the grand plan?

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What's your vision for the place, what do you want to do with it?

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Well, it's a home for life.

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It will be three stages,

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so...renovating and repairing the old two-up, two-down cottage.

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Stage two is an extension, so big, family...a modern kitchen.

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So, everything outside of this two-up, two-down

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will be modern, new and contemporary.

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And we'll be living as a family in that part of the building.

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And then, we're putting another annexe outside of the house.

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A completely separate new build at the north end of the property.

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And the wood burner here is temporary?

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It's going to help you to dry out the place and give you some warmth

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-while you work.

-Yeah.

-Are you on gas here? How does it work?

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There's been nothing to the property whatsoever.

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We're currently researching all the renewable options,

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which we're really interested in, apart from the cost.

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So tricky, isn't it? Because you're plying all your efforts and energies

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into making this a home for life, and all the energy solutions

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out there that are perhaps the greenest

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do require quite a lot of investment upfront.

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I'm curious where this extension would go.

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-Shall we go through to the back?

-Yeah, sure.

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This might be a small cottage,

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but it's a massive renovation that Jason and Gail are taking on.

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Where are we here? What was this on the back of the house?

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Well, this was the previous owner's kitchen.

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Really small space. This is like a warren of rooms here,

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and you've got, I can see, more modern brick there,

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so that's an add-on again, is it?

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That's the 1970s flat-roof extension coming off

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this very tiny original kitchen.

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What is your budget for a project of this size?

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It's a big, big project.

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We're going to try really hard to stick within the £75,000.

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Obviously, it doesn't include stage three,

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which is a complete new build at the other end of the property.

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-Are you living somewhere else at the moment?

-Yeah.

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Are you having to pay rent, or...?

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-No, we are actually paying another mortgage.

-OK.

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But as soon as we can get a bathroom of sorts

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and some sort of living conditions

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then we will move in.

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Where would you like a bit more help?

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What is it you're still exploring and thinking about

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and developing ideas with?

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Well, we've already mentioned the heating and energy efficiency,

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and also the transition between old and new.

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We're quite adamant... In effect, it'll be two houses,

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so you've got old at the front and brand spanking new at the back...

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Making sure it's a smooth transition,

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but a wow factor at the same time.

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-It's difficult to visualise that at the moment.

-Yeah.

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You just have to hope you're going the right way,

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but it's nice to see when it's already been done

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and get some guidance from that.

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Look, as I say, you do seem to be on track,

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but it's always good to get some more guidance

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and see how other people have tackled this kind of thing.

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There's always room for more ideas.

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Later on, we'll go and see another period property that's had a complete renovation.

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I think you'll take a lot from it, and it'll be nice to speak

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to the guys that have been through a complete project.

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We'll get as much help and advice there - and, really, inspiration.

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You can rule things in, rule things out, see what you like.

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-Sound good?

-Yeah, definitely. Thanks.

-Great.

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What a beautiful little cottage!

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You can see why Gail and Jason are besotted with this place,

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and they've started in exactly the right way,

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sorting out the structure to make sure it's all nice and sound.

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But they've definitely got a lot ahead of them, so it will be good

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for them to meet people who've been through this before,

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exchange ideas, and just get that little bit of extra inspiration.

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We've all walked past them and possibly

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not even given them a second thought,

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but abandoned buildings lying disused and desolate

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have the potential to become homes once again.

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Luckily, there are Empty Property Officers up and down the country

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working to bring these forgotten places back into use.

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In Lewisham, south-east London, it's the job of Nick Long

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to find new owners for the unloved properties on his patch.

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Since he's been in the post,

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he and his team have brought around 3,000 empties back into use.

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Today he's on his way to a house

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which has been empty for the past six months.

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Nick is working with the family of the owner to get it lived in again.

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It's a property that is owned by an elderly gentleman,

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and we're working with the family to try and make an assessment

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of whether this property can be saved and made safe.

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Sadly, the owner is unable to live independently and has moved out.

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Nick is concerned about possible structural problems

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at the front of the house, so he's called in his colleague Kevin Foley,

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a building control officer from Lewisham Council.

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It looks to me as though there's a certain amount of subsidence

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to the front bay.

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I've noticed that there's chunks falling off the building, actually.

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If it's as dangerous as I think it possibly could be,

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we would need to get contractors in today or tomorrow...

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But I think we need to have a closer look

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-to see what we're dealing with.

-OK, let's do that.

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With signs of possible subsidence

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and the risk of injury to the public,

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Nick and Kevin need to assess the structure of the bay window

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more closely.

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See the diagonal cracks that indicate...

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that there has been movement on the bay and...

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..they're quite deep and wide and they are more than superficial.

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They're going all the way through the brickwork, you can see.

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Nick and Kevin continue their inspection

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on the first floor of the house.

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You can clearly see daylight

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through the mullions and the brickwork.

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And probably...

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Yep, just...

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As you can see, if that was to fall on someone's head...

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Do quite a bit of damage.

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I think, looking at the balcony next door,

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that's something we'll need to go and have a closer look at.

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Here we've got this stone balcony,

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which you can see is moving away from the main wall of the building.

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Obviously, if that was to fall forward,

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that could do some serious damage to anyone who's passing below.

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Are you coming to a view that this is a dangerous structure?

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This thing could fall over next week.

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Obviously, we can't take the risk,

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so, as a matter of urgency, we want to get our contractors in

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just to make this front bay safe.

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It's clear some urgent structural repairs need to be done.

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Only then can this house become a home once more.

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We'll serve a Dangerous Structure Notice on the property,

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get our contractors in,

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make the front of the property safe and secure

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and that allows the occupiers or the owners of the building

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some time to arrange for repairs to be carried out.

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Since Nick's visit, the council has brought in a specialist contractor

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to put scaffolding in place, securing the structure

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of the front bay window.

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Taking on an empty dilapidated building

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can be a tough and stressful undertaking.

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But the stunning results that can be achieved

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are just one of the reasons why it's becoming a desirable way

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to create your dream home.

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And that's exactly what Ian and Tina Walker found

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when they decided to take a gamble

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on this Grade II listed thatched cottage

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in Peterborough in 2006.

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It was condemned, empty,

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derelict, full of scrap,

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on the verge of collapse

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and a building worth saving.

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When I first saw it and it was covered up with a tarpaulin,

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I actually hadn't seen that before. You know, a house wrapped up.

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It hadn't been lived in for around 50 years

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and the cottage was on the local Houses At Risk register.

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The Walkers bought it for £47,500

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and spent a further £92,000 on the major renovation work needed.

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To get a blank canvas, effectively, although it was a restoration...

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That I could also do it in the way that I felt that it should be done,

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was brilliant. Just life...

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Well, nearly a 30-year dream come true for me.

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As a joiner, Ian could dedicate his skills

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to bringing the house back into use and making it a home again.

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Generally speaking, it was in such a bad way

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that if there was anything that was in good order, it was a bonus.

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We tried to keep as much of its original fabric -

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and he definitely did - as we could,

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but to reuse it our way.

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By taking on a condemned house,

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Ian and Tina were able to create their idyllic family home

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for much less than if they'd bought it already renovated

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and it's now worth £275,000.

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The finish was when people kept telling me how lovely it looked.

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You just turn round and look at it

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and you might get a flashback of what it was, and you think, "Wow!"

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Whatever we've done,

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and whatever efforts we put in here or endured or went through,

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it's a house now that will stand for the next 200 years,

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and that's a big deal.

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Across the country, road building projects that have stalled

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can often lead to problems with large numbers of empty properties.

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The area around the North Circular here in Enfield

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has suffered decades of neglect.

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Years of problems with fly-tipping, squatting,

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arson and vermin have made places uninhabitable.

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But with 75,000 people on London's waiting list,

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these homes are resources that need to be used.

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Back in the '60s and '70s,

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the Government worked to compulsory purchase houses

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along this two-mile stretch of the A406

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to make way for a road widening scheme that never materialised,

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leaving hundreds of homes to fall into disrepair.

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But today, more than 40 years later,

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250 properties are in their final phase of being refurbished

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and the entire area is being brought back to life.

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I've come to meet Ken Barnett, the project manager

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from Notting Hill Housing Trust to find out more.

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Ken, remind me, how did we get to a situation where so many properties

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along the A406, the North Circular, were sitting empty for years?

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It started back in the 1960s, when the Department Of Transport

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started to buy up properties,

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planning to make the road into a dual carriageway.

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That decision was subsequently shelved but, in the meantime,

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total uncertainty and total blight of the area.

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The Housing Trust purchased the houses from Transport For London

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and is in the process of bringing them back into use.

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What's the cost of doing this? What sort of money is involved?

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We are spending just in excess of £10 million

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of refurbishment costs on that.

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That includes the clean-up of the gardens

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and everything that was squatted.

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In terms of the works we're doing, we're doing, broadly,

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new roofs, new kitchens, new bathrooms,

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we're reconfiguring some properties, just to make them more usable,

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bringing them up to modern-day standards.

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Finally, what difference does all this make? How important is it?

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I think the community is getting back on its feet,

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following the blight and uncertainty

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which has gone on for a long, long time.

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And one local resident, Maureen Stephenson,

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has benefited from the housing project.

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Having lived in the area for 14 years, she's now living

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in one of the improved properties,

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complete with double glazing to minimise the road noise.

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Before the regeneration started along the A406, it was really bad,

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the houses were derelict and run down, there were squatters,

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people used to fly-tip, dump rubbish everywhere.

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You really felt like you were living in a slum. It wasn't very nice.

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The work being done here really has made

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a positive difference to the area.

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It is so lovely to see all those houses back in use

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and, you know, nicely decorated...

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And families are going to move in

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so that we can have a community again.

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For so many years, when you drove down this road,

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you'd just see boarded-up house after boarded-up house,

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but now, finally, the area is being brought back to life.

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And it's not just about revitalising the community,

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it's also about getting people off the housing waiting lists

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and providing much-needed homes for families.

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I'm with Jason Rodd and Gail Dewing

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who bought a derelict house which they plan to renovate

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and add to with a new, contemporary extension.

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I want them to meet someone who's carried out a similar project

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and can give them some great advice.

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Right, guys, this is the property I want you to see.

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Detached red-brick house dating back to 1903.

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It was empty for a whole year. It was in a pretty poor condition.

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Peter and his wife worked on it, he dedicated himself to it

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for a whole year, just to do it up.

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He's been working on it in bits ever since,

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so a lot of work has gone into it.

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-I think we should go and say hello.

-OK.

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Interior designer Peter Tasker and wife Vicky

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fell for the red-brick Victorian detached house at first sight.

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The front of the house was what first drew us to it,

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because there were so many nice architectural features.

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But the inside was quite a different story.

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Yes, very damp and there were lots of cracks everywhere.

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The couple bought the house in 2005 for £300,000

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and to save money, they decided to live in the property

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whilst work was ongoing.

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Well, we got the keys, and then we literally all moved in

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and started working.

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Yeah, we piled all our possessions in this room

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and started painting throughout.

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Impressively, Peter did much of the work himself,

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only calling in the professionals for the specialist jobs.

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We wouldn't have been able to do the project without

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basically deciding we were going to do the work ourselves.

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We dug out the floor, we mixed the gobo...

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-I mean, we did all of that, didn't we?

-Yeah.

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And for those who don't know, gobo is concrete,

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and these people clearly know their stuff.

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So, Peter's meeting us today to offer

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some ideas and inspiration for Gail and Jason.

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-It's quite an extension, isn't it?

-Wow.

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-Yeah.

-Absolutely.

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-It's a fantastic space.

-Yeah.

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So, it strikes me as something quite similar to your plans,

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in that it's extending out the back, it's getting that width

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and that one big, open-plan space.

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As soon as you walk in, you feel it's cosy,

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yet light and airy at the same time.

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For me, this is definitely the aspect that I wanted... Well, want.

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You know, you walk in and there's a wow factor.

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And the light... Have you thought about where you'd bring light in,

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or how you would use windows in your extension?

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Seeing the amount of natural light you've managed to bring in here,

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it's something we're going to maybe pay a bit more attention to

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before we make any big decisions on that,

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because it is really impressive and it helps to set the whole room off

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with so much natural light. It's lovely.

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You guys are looking at energy and heating solutions.

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-What are you...? You're on gas here, aren't you?

-Yes.

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Did you think of using anything else,

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or going for any particular green technologies?

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I looked into solar panels, I looked into turbines...

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but the initial outlay was too much in every case.

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Having underfloor heating makes a big difference.

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Is that throughout here, or throughout the ground floor?

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-Throughout the ground floor.

-Yeah.

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The beauty of this is you've got your insulation

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and then a slab of concrete.

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What happens is it heats that concrete

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and then that becomes like a storage heater.

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So, how sympathetic did you keep the look of it from the outside?

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Did you stay with the red brick? That's what you're thinking, right?

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We went with the Imperial sized brick.

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I sourced the blue engineering bricks with the chamfer,

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which I had to have handmade.

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The bricklayer did really good...

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they call it dental work, to try and match the existing corbelling

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and that sort of thing.

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Yeah, I think when you look, it is in-keeping.

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-That's what you think, be as sympathetic as possible?

-Yeah.

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These guys are thinking of getting a bathroom, a bedroom ready

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and trying to moving as soon as possible to be there.

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-Is that something you would advise?

-Yes, I would.

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Because otherwise you're paying for two...accommodations

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and you would be heating two areas too.

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As a reality check, how tough is it?

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It's not that pleasant, is it?

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It isn't.

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You just have to enjoy your food with dust in,

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and enjoy doing a lot of cleaning.

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But you do end up with some nice results.

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That's not going to put you off. I sense the usual determination.

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Yeah, we're determined and we both know it will be worth it in the end.

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You know, it's the endgame, isn't it?

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I love this, I think it's an amazing space.

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As you said, it really does have that wow factor.

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But, I think we should also look around a bit further,

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-so shall we pop to the front of the house?

-Yes.

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Peter and his wife carried out

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a complete renovation from the ground up,

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creating a truly stunning family home.

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Right, this is your front sitting room.

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Huge project, it's a big house, what did you budget for that?

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We budgeted about 40,000, initially.

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As the project has taken more and more time,

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obviously we've eaten into that,

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-but we seem to be pretty much on budget.

-Really?

-Yeah.

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How much of it was spent on the extension, as a proportion of that?

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I think the whole extension,

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just the infrastructure of getting it built,

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was about 15,000.

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It's encouraging you can add on such a big space

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like you have for that kind of budget.

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When you first moved in, did you have a clear idea that

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you were going to keep the old part of the house very much separate,

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or did you feel that you wanted to integrate?

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Well, we always quite liked the idea of eclectic,

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in the sense that you may have old pieces and old bits,

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and then you walk into the new,

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but you've still got old elements there.

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I think here, it's quite unapologetic, quite honest...

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You just go from quite new to a bit older.

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You don't have to feel that you have to sort of...

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-Stage it.

-Yes, exactly.

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We've got a 200-year-old cottage

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and it's going to... We can't modernise it,

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we don't want to modernise it...

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I feel quite comfortable with it, don't you?

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The change in between the two.

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I think it's quite nice that you've got effectively two houses.

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Peter, thank you for showing us around.

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Amazing to see that kitchen,

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and how well also the rest of the house works with it,

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so it's been really great, and I hope it's been really useful.

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-Absolutely, yeah.

-Fantastic.

-Thank you very much.

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In Lewisham, south-east London,

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Empty Property Officer Nick Long is heading to a house

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that's been vacant for the past 20 years.

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It's been a long-term problem case for Nick until recently

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when a new owner took it on.

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I'm visiting to see what progress the owner's making.

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I understand he bought the property in auction,

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and we're trying to find out his timescale,

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what plans he has for the property...

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We're very, very keen to see this property

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brought back into good repair and, hopefully, finally,

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after probably 20 years,

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this property will come back into use and occupation.

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Over the years, the property fell into a state of dereliction

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and was the subject of an arson attack.

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It was a blight on an otherwise well-kept residential street.

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I think last time I came, it was simply a shell of a property.

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It's really wonderful to see this property actually painted

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and new windows are in.

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Today he's meeting the new owner, Lyndon Cartwright,

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to see how the renovation is progressing.

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-Hi, Lyndon. Good to see you.

-Nice to see you, sir.

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Making good progress, by the look of it.

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-Come on in, have a check.

-Looking really good.

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As with all empty properties, Nick wants to make sure

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the work will be completed as soon as possible

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and the house lived in again.

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I can recall this property being just a derelict, burnt-out shell

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and literally just a couple of walls standing,

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and it just seemed a massive project.

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Is there anything you haven't renewed or had to replace in the property?

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Just the first two and a half metres of wall...

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Brickwork, masonry, that sort of thing.

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-That was the only thing that was salvageable?

-That's it.

-Right.

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Why did you take on this challenge?

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It was an exciting opportunity

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to have a go at building a four-bed house,

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which we couldn't have afforded otherwise.

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-Have you kept within your budget?

-I think we're somewhere near.

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I don't think we'll quite know until the end.

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But, fingers crossed, we shouldn't be too far away.

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Basically, you can see we've followed next door

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on the front facade, with the addition of the Mansard roof.

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And on the rear renovation, you can see how we've extended

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and given us a much bigger area on the ground floor.

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At the rear, it's very clear to see the house has been

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almost completely rebuilt, with the addition of a large extension

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on the ground floor and also into the roof space.

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It really does look striking, all the progress you're making.

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What's the time frame for final completion?

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We think we've got three months left on site

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-to finish the internals...

-Right.

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..and get it to a habitable state.

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And are your plans to sell it or to move in,

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or what are you planning on doing?

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-We're planning to move in, actually.

-You're moving in?

-Yeah.

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Having a family living in here will really be fantastic.

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I look forward to seeing you at the housewarming, Nick.

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-It will be a pleasure.

-Thanks for meeting me today.

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OK, lead the way.

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The local people who live in this street...

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It's going to be an end of a nightmare for them,

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and finally we're going to see this house come back into life,

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come back into use, and occupied, and that's what we want to see.

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I've been with Jason and Gail, who've taken on an empty property

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and have been getting invaluable advice from someone

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who's been through a similar renovation.

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So, guys, having had a good look round,

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what are your thoughts as you leave?

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Initially, I just thought, "Wow! The house is so different to ours."

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-But, actually, the concept is very, very similar...

-Yeah.

-Old to new.

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I'm very, very impressed with the extension.

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And a few ideas there are about how you move from

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old, period interiors to very modern, contemporary...

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It doesn't have to be that obvious, does it?

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From old to new, and I shouldn't worry too much about the contrast.

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-As long as it is light, airy and liveable.

-That's a really good point.

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I think, in the end, it comes down to confidence.

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It's just different, you go through and it's fine.

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-It doesn't jar, it's OK.

-Absolutely. I think there's two points for me.

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I'm going away happier that

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we decided on underfloor heating for the large kitchen space,

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but also that need to go away and think about

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-perhaps more natural light.

-Yeah.

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-Give it more thought, definitely.

-It wasn't even on our radar, was it?

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It's been really interesting to hear it from someone else's perspective,

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who's been through it.

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You're not alone. People do this all the time.

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It just shows the decisions you've thought through

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are ones that other people have considered as well.

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So, hopefully there's a lot of encouragement there for you.

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Good luck with it.

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It's such a lovely cottage you've got, you're working on,

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you're doing the right things, and I really hope today helps.

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So, yeah, best of luck.

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-Thank you.

-Thanks very much.

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It's been really great for Gail and Jason to see this place,

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somewhere that matches their aspirations in so many ways.

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And today, some great advice, encouragement and inspiration

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they can carry with them through every stage of their renovation.

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And what an exciting journey it's going to be,

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as they try to create their perfect home.

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