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Across the country, empty properties that could be homes

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are just waiting to be brought back into use.

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I'll be finding out why

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and what you need to do to rescue a house for yourself.

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And along the way I'll be doing some digging of my own to find out

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more about our housing stock, our heritage and why we should be

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both reinventing and preserving Britain's empty homes.

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Renovating an empty home can be a great way of getting onto

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the property ladder - that is,

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if you're aware that these places can be fraught with problems.

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But if you do your homework, you plan carefully

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and you're determined,

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then the benefit of transforming an empty home can be truly rewarding.

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On today's show,

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a couple who've come to the rescue of a Grade II listed cottage.

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Matthew attempted to scrape off all this Artex and skim,

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so he started and got really tired.

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A town centre regeneration project transforming old council buildings

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including a police station.

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The space lends itself incredibly well and you see by the size

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of the windows and structures that they work very well for conversion.

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And we follow one of Britain's empty property officers

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working to bring a building back to life.

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It means that after five years,

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this property is nearly back into use

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creating seven units of accommodation.

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Letchworth is the world's first garden city.

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Created as a solution to the squalor of urban life

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in the late 19th century.

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And it was in these lush surroundings that Monelle

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and Matthew came across this empty Grade II listed cottage.

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When I first saw the house online, yeah, it's tiny, it's small,

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but I knew that this was going to be our house.

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I was a bit dubious because the condition the house is in.

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Windows, they're rotting. We need new doors put in.

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Everywhere needs replastering, rewiring, replumbing.

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So everything needs doing!

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I actually thought, well, don't buy this house, just buy another one and

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we looked at several more houses but all the time Monelle really wanted

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to live in this house.

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I was fighting because I knew that this was the only house that

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had the character that could justify the money being spent on it

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and this had so much potential.

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Houses like this rarely come on the market in Letchworth.

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After lying empty for over nine months, it was repossessed

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and put up for sale.

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We were lucky enough that it was empty for a very long time, so

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we were able to get a three-bedroom house at below market value.

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Normally we'd like to have the house ready to live in

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but it wasn't going to happen for under 200,000 in Letchworth.

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The couple paid ?193,000 for the house,

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5,000 over the asking price, which has eaten into the renovation funds.

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We're doing everything on a very nominal budget.

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?20,000, but that might change.

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Yeah.

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SHE LAUGHS

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To make their challenge even bigger, their new home is listed

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and it's also in a conservation area.

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This means they'll be answerable to two separate governing bodies,

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each with its own strict planning regulations.

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We want to do a two-storey extension.

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New kitchen with a dining area, a new bathroom upstairs, so

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if we're unable to go upwards because we're in a conservation area,

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how will we be able to get the bathroom upstairs?

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That's the big question mark.

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Monelle seems to be the driving force behind this project,

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but just how realistic are their building plans?

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We're meeting one-on-one to have a look at the house

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and to think through the potential pitfalls that lie ahead.

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This is very attractive. Tell me about this place.

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This is a cottage built in 1902. OK. It was empty for about a year.

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It needs everything doing to it, inside and out. Big challenge.

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And the area, I mean, it is gorgeous.

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Tranquil neighbourhood, lots of green space.

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Yeah, lovely, and it's perfect for our first marital home.

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That's what it is? It's your first home together? Yeah.

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We were living at my mum's before so this is

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our place where we're going to build a family and the green

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is perfect for kids in the future, so it would be lovely here.

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Gosh, you've thought of everything.

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Well, this, Monelle, seems lovely. Really good condition.

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Original floors. You got this great fireplace and everything.

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That's the sort of stuff that attracted you to it?

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Yeah, I love old things, so I just knew that this was our house.

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And you were in London before, so why Letchworth Garden City?

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It's got a nice country feel but we're not too far away from town.

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Tell me about the place, is it, what, two bedrooms?

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Three small, very compact bedrooms

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but it's not got a traditional lay out, so it's a bit more of a blank canvas.

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And what was it that attracted you to an empty property? I mean, what was the benefit for you?

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The benefit was that we got it under market value and it was vacant,

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there were no chains involved, which was perfect for us.

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So you've just moved in? Yeah, we've just moved in.

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I didn't want to move in. I wanted all the work to be done and then we move in

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and it's all lovely and beautiful.

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But Matthew was like, "No, we're going in."

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So, we're going to be living on-site while the works are being done,

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the rewire, the replumb, the knocking down walls.

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And all the other dirty bits.

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Fun. Yeah. Let's see some more, shall we?

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This place clearly needs work, but a good renovation is

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a balance between cutting costs without cutting corners.

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This is the master bedroom. This is the master? OK.

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Clearly some work has started in here. What's been going on?

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Matthew attempted to scrape off all this Artex

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and skim the ceiling, so he started and got really tired.

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Yeah, it is tiring, isn't it? OK. Normally plastering is something

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that people tend to get specialists in for.

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Is this a budget decision, the fact you're giving it a go?

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That's Matthew's decision. Matthew's decision?

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Yeah, I got someone in and he was like, "Stop calling men in."

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Erm, "I can try and do it." "I can I can handle this!" Yeah.

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How do you think that's going?

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So far, I think we need to get someone in.

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THE LAUGH

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This is one of the bedrooms.

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There's another room there and another room there.

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That's the guest room and this is like the cot room/study.

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It will be an office. That's like a rectangle room. Rectangle room? Yeah.

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You're specifically avoiding the term boxroom because it's incorrect?

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Yeah, it's not a boxroom. It does have some space in there.

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Someone suggested using it as a bathroom

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and I really don't want to lose that room as a bedroom.

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So your only bathroom at the moment is downstairs?

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Yeah, that's why we came up with the double-storey extension.

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So, you're the boss on this it sounds like, I mean, you kind of...

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Yeah, I made myself project manager. Good. Matthew's happy. Is he? Yeah.

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Monelle seems to have a very clear idea of what she wants

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and I'm keen to know more about her ambitious plans

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for the structure of the building.

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Monelle, just tell me where the extension's going to go then.

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It's going to come out into the garden, is it?

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Yeah, we're going to bring all of this out

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to about here for the kitchen diner

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and build a dormer there, ideally, to put that bathroom upstairs.

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Is there a chance you won't be able to do what you want to this house?

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I'm worried they're going to say,

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"Oh, no, you can't put a bathroom upstairs." Yeah.

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That's probably the biggest concern.

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Is there a precedent here for a double-storey extension on the back of one of these properties?

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Our neighbour has... A single-storey one.

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Yes, a single-storey one, but the end of terrace are double-storeys. Yeah.

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Extensions, new windows, wet rooms, kitchen diners,

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all the fixtures and fittings.

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How much do you think it's going to cost?

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We're hoping it doesn't go over 25 but Matthew, he's better with money.

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OK. I don't really care too much about things like that.

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I'm a bit more relaxed about things like that,

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he's more of the logical, structured guy with the finances

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and I'm kind of like, "We'll get it back" sort of thing.

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We'll get the money back.

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There's a balance there. So, he's the maths teacher,

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going to be in charge of the purse, and you're

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the project manager telling him he can't plaster.

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Yeah, I'm the imaginative one.

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OK. Yeah. The visionary? Yes. OK. Yeah, yeah.

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Why 25? That's kind of what you've got that you can spend on it now.

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Yeah. If it goes over, it means we have to borrow money. Right.

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And because we had a bidding war initially,

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we ate into our renovation budget anyway so Matthew

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was blaming me for going over, but we had to secure the place. OK.

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At this stage I think what's going to be really useful for you

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is to see another property in many ways similar to this.

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It's listed, it's in a conservation area,

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so there's been lots of restrictions.

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Meet the woman behind it

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and she can tell you a bit more about how she's done it

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and hopefully she'll have some great advice, how does that sound?

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Yeah, that'll be very helpful.

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Well, this really is a lovely little place.

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I can see why Matthew and Monelle were so attracted to it

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and the surrounding area.

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But boy, there are some challenges ahead here.

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The main thing is, it's listed and it's in a conservation zone

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which is just going to throw up so many challenges.

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So I think it's going to be really good for Monelle to meet

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a lady who's been through this, who's taken on a similar historic

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protected building, she knows about the restrictions,

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and hopefully she'll give some great advice.

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Whether you're sold on owning a commercial site

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or you're praying for a vacant church, with a little imagination

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and plenty of perseverance, the unlikeliest of places

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can become your dream home.

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In Hoylandswaine, West Yorkshire, Amanda Wills

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and her husband Steve were looking close to home

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when they focused on this Grade II listed barn on Amanda's family farm.

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I spent most of my childhood in this barn.

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My mum and dad had put in for planning years ago

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so it was already passed to do up into a house.

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We were staying initially in a static caravan parked in my mum's garden.

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Two children, two cats, and a dog.

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I think they just thought it would be a few months, not two years.

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Having paid Amanda's parents ?100,000 for the large barn, Steve

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was relishing the opportunity to create his own unique living space.

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It was very, very difficult to imagine it as a home, because it was

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so run down. There was no heating, there was no water.

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It did get pretty stressful at times.

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Obviously, full-time jobs.

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And then on top of that you come home and things haven't been

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done quite the way you were expecting them to be done.

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We've ended up having to take the whole roof off.

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Brand-new trusses all the way through.

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Partially rebuild one full external wall as well

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so it's been a fairly major undertaking.

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And the Grade II listing presented plenty of challenges.

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We don't want to try and do things that we're not allowed to do

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and alter the character of the building too much

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but when we feel like we've kind of done something very sympathetic,

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but still something that is very fitting to what

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we want to try and achieve and that gets rejected, that's frustrating.

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We purposely didn't go for a typical barn conversion.

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We wanted something quite modern and contemporary.

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But not the kind of modern

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and contemporary that you could find in a penthouse apartment somewhere.

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We are in a barn, essentially.

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And it needed to be that kind of honest modernity that

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I was really trying to achieve.

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It could have been an eight bedroom property if we wanted it to be.

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Yeah. But we wanted some real moments of, you know... Wow factor.

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Yeah, definitely. And some nice open space.

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The biggest moment was

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when the single-storey opening on the side of the building got

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knocked out to a double height opening

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and the natural light that flooded in was just absolutely amazing.

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Yeah, because it was really dark.

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I'm a bit more of a kind of brutal minimalist and Amanda's a bit

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more of a...a bit more kind of home...

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creature comforts a little bit. Yeah.

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So getting that balance right was really critical.

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I didn't want to live in an art gallery.

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I wanted it to feel like a home

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but at the same time, I didn't want it too homely either.

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I don't want to go anywhere else. Other than Barbados, I can't really,

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I can't really imagine a better place in fairness.

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I mean, it's absolutely lovely.

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Right in the countryside, we've got lovely views.

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On a gorgeous sunny day, it's...perfect.

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This is where I've grown-up, this is my home.

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It's quite an emotional tie

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and I don't think I'd want to be anywhere else.

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Great Yarmouth is a seaside town known for its tourist industry.

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But because of the economic climate,

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many office buildings here sit empty.

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According to the Government,

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one in ten offices have been empty for at least six months.

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Now, even if just a fraction of these were

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converted into residential dwellings, it would create a

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significant number of much-needed homes in town centres

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and cities across the country.

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That's exactly what the forward-thinking council

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here in Great Yarmouth is targeting.

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And helping them is the Saffron Housing Trust, which is taking on

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centrally located ex-council offices ripe for refurbishment.

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But renovating commercial spaces into family homes

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brings its own set of challenges.

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John Whitelock from the trust explains why.

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Well, John, these buildings, they're extremely grand, what are they?

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What we've got is, we've got

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the original police station here which is this building here

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and a bit further down there we've got the old fire station.

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Both built around the 1900s.

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We've also got this one here which was part of the old kind of

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Town Hall complex that was in Great Yarmouth. I see.

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And how is it you came to own these buildings?

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They had been trying to sell them as offices

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but hadn't managed to do that.

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Costing them 100,000-ish a year, just to keep them sitting here

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not really doing anything.

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If you look down that way, there's a large office block that's

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been sitting empty for even longer.

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They're going to be much more valued as properties

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and homes for people and families. Absolutely.

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I mean, and that reflects when the borough council made the decision that it was going to

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pass on the houses and they only passed them on to us

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for a pound, which you can imagine created... A pound?

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Yeah. That's because they need a load of work done to them.

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And Saffron will be investing ?2 million into the build, which is a load of money.

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Let's have a look inside, shall we?

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Maintaining properties that have been left empty

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cost the council money.

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It hopes that by giving the housing trust a licence to create affordable

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homes, it will both benefit the community and save public money.

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John, tell me about where we are here?

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We're in the old fire station.

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These used to be the bays for the actual engines. Really?

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Literally the kind of place where the engines pulled in.

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You had the three engines across there. Fantastic.

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So what is the plan, what are you hoping to create?

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We're looking to get in 16 two-bedroom flats in here,

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11 one-bedroom flats and then the two little properties

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outside will be converted into a couple of cottages.

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Is this typical of the sort of spaces

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that you're trying to convert here?

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Well, when you're doing a conversion of a building like this,

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you look at how the building is laid out,

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see what can work in here in terms of accommodation.

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This doesn't necessarily show it very well in here,

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but they are beautiful buildings.

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It should feel quite light and airy.

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They will feel magnificent, hopefully.

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One of the things we will have to do is raise up the floor levels

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because we are in a flood zone here.

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So we've got to raise the floors by about a metre,

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which is quite a significant area.

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You've enough height to be able to do that? Yeah.

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Thanks very much for showing me round.

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Reviving both the fire station and the interconnecting police station

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and turning them into new homes will preserve this unique architecture.

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And it is hoped it will also give a much-needed boost

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to the town's local economy.

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Site manager Paul explains how they plan to unlock

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the potential in this abandoned cop shop.

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What we're standing in now was the cells to the police station. Ah.

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As you can see, they look like you'd expect cells to look like.

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They're turn of the century.

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How tricky is it to convert these into flats, residential places?

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Buildings of this ilk, they are quite simple to carve up

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into flats as we've gone through the designs.

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The space lends itself incredibly well.

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You see with the size of the windows

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and structure of the cells, they work very well for conversion.

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Have you had experience of this history, this period?

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Yeah, we've done three buildings of this ilk in Great Yarmouth,

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which, funny enough, the same architect to design these buildings,

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HA Cockerell, his features, as you've seen outside, the terracotta work,

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is a feature of his and it does feature quite a bit through the town.

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Do you really think it will make a difference

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and could start to spark things off here?

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Absolutely. With the business and to have this many people,

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to have 29 households contributing to the local economy,

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it will make a huge difference to the town, without a shadow of doubt.

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I really think this project makes sense.

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First of all, it's a crying shame to leave any buildings like this

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sitting empty, but particularly in a town centre.

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And this is all about affordable housing,

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that's what Great Yarmouth needs.

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And to that end I think there's really good vision here

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from the council and Saffron Housing Trust.

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Hopefully, when this project is complete,

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it will help regenerate the town centre and this local area.

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Across Britain, empty property officers employed by local councils

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are constantly carrying out detective work on our

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abandoned homes, working tirelessly to bring them back into use.

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In South Kent, Iain Cobby does just that.

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He's on his way to inspect work on the conversion of an office block

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in Folkestone town centre that's been sitting empty

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and unused for five years.

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The property was previously an office accommodation block, purpose-built.

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It has become empty.

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The new owners bought the property about six months ago

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and have got permission to turn it into seven self-contained units.

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That'll mean that it will provide accommodation for people

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on the council's housing list.

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The new owner has been granted a five-year loan of ?236,000

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to be issued in stages.

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The loan is through Kent County Council's No Use Empty scheme.

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Today, Iain is meeting his colleague, Steve Grimshaw,

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and the developer, Sirajul Islam, to check the progress on-site

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and hopefully sign off the second stage of funding.

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Good morning, gentlemen. Steve, how are you?

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Good to see you again.

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Shall we go in and have a look at the work so far? Yes. Thank you.

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They'll only continue issuing the loan if the work completed

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at this stage is done to the council's exacting standards.

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This is the existing building

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and this is changing to how it will be now.

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How many flats in total, Mr Islam?

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In total, seven. That's great.

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First phase. Yes.

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And then the architect will design for a second phase,

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will be another four flats.

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That's amazing. Can we see a little more then? Yes.

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Iain and Steve need to be assured that the build

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is progressing on schedule and within budget.

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This is the bedroom. Yes.

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Flat number six. Right, I'm with you, yes.

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It looks, well, apart from the front of the building,

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it looks nearly finished. Yes.

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It would seem that there's been a lot of money spent on this.

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Yes, already, yes.

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We are just counting down to start from tomorrow. Brilliant.

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To put the kitchen and the second fixing, which is skirtings.

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Obviously they will do this coat and then they will start painting

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and put the skirting in those. Great.

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So, Mr Islam, there's still a lot of work being undertaken today.

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Is it all going to plan in terms of project timescales?

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Yes, everything is going well here. It will get done.

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In terms of the overall budget, how are things going with that?

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Good, going well.

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Yeah. We are nearly there.

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We are spending some from our own pocket

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while we're waiting for the next lot.

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So you've already exhausted

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the first round of funding we've given you? Yes.

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I think myself and Iain are very happy. Very much so.

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I think Kent County Council's No Use Empty Scheme will be willing

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to let you have the second part of the contract in order

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to take the project forward to hopefully a satisfactory completion.

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Yeah, thank you very much, yes. Thank you.

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It's great news all round.

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And with the loan signed off, the building is well on its way

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to providing much-needed homes for local people.

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Well, I'm really pleased at what's happened here today.

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The work has been progressing fantastically.

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I'm so pleased that Mr Islam has actually signed the contract.

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It means that after five years, this property is nearly back into use,

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creating seven units of accommodation. That is fantastic.

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If you're interested in tracking down a disused house

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to turn into a home, then your local empty property officer

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should be one of your first ports of call.

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Also ask around the local estate agents and keep your eyes peeled

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for those tell-tale signs of abandoned buildings.

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Back in the historic garden city of Letchworth, I'm with Monelle,

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who, with her husband Matthew, has bought a listed cottage

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in need of some serious TLC, set in a beautiful conservation area.

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They have grand plans but a tight budget, so to help them

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I'm going to introduce Monelle, the self-appointed project manager,

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to a lady who has tackled a very similar renovation.

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This is the place I want you to see.

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It really is quite an extraordinary and, in my opinion,

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a very beautiful house. I think it's lovely.

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I've driven past and I've noticed the blue windows.

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It's a very pretty country-looking house.

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It's got quite a history to it, I'll let Sue explain the details.

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But Sue has come across many of the same challenges

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that you're about face. OK.

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Let's go and say hello, shall we? Yes.

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Sue Johnson had her eye on this place for a long time,

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when it was put up for auction in 2009.

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I'd been driving past it for 30 years plus thinking,

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"Oh, I'd love a poke around there."

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And then it came up for auction and I thought, "That has to be mine!"

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Having been empty for year,

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the building was completely uninhabitable

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when Sue paid ?250,000 for it.

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It was perfectly sound,

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but inside it had fallen into complete disrepair.

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I saw it at its absolute worst.

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But I didn't notice.

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It wasn't Sue's first renovation project

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but it was certainly her largest.

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It was the 10th house I'd renovated but none of the others

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required the amount of work and input that this one did.

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I really love renovating houses.

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It was abandoned.

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If we want such buildings to be preserved,

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then we need people to take care of them.

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It's like bringing something back to life.

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It's a real privilege to be able to do that.

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Sue, tell us a bit about the history of this building.

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Well, it was built for the Cheap Cottages Competition

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in Letchworth in 1905.

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They could build houses out of wood, this one is made of concrete.

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It was made in pieces in Liverpool.

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It went up in 36 hours, like Lego.

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It took me 15 months to renovate.

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What sort of state was it in when you took it on? In a dreadful state.

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It had never been plastered, it will still concrete,

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the floors were concrete. The windows needed loads of attention.

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You walked up to the front of the house,

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you were struck by the blue windows, weren't you? Yes.

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It's so striking and bright, it lifts up the street in a way.

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The pale blue paint on the windows, it was pale blue in 1905,

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which would have been really unusual then.

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And this, I love. This is an old butcher's block. Yes.

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That I bought in a junk shop in Letchworth.

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You can save lots of money doing a renovation if you... That's good!

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..if you buy some things that are not new.

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Are you a fan of the older style, this kind of look

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and the collection of antique furniture?

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Yeah, I've always loved old furniture.

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I often go to reclaim yards.

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It's got a lovely country feel. It's an interesting lay out.

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This was the kitchen in the original house,

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but when I bought the house, I think it had been a living room.

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I had a couple of architects and the first one said,

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"This can't possibly be a kitchen, it's completely unsuitable."

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Really? Hmm.

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Right. You showed them, didn't you?

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Probably of most interest to Monelle is seeing the extension,

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and finding out just how Sue fared dealing with all the various

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planning authorities in Letchworth.

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This is the living room.

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The original house ended there, this would have been the back door.

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Fantastic. Wow.

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Did you put the fireplace in? Yes. It's a false chimney.

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All that character has been injected in the extension.

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That's why I love what you've done, because the extension plans

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that we have is to have a protruding bit of wall.

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How difficult was it to get this extension?

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It's a listed building, it's Grade II listed, am I right?

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It's Grade II* listed. Grade II* listed, blimey!

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I had to deal with English Heritage, the Letchworth Heritage Foundation

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and the conservation officer from the council.

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Many times they didn't agree with each other, never mind me!

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But also, I think it's really important to get to know them.

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Sue, in all the new build you've had here

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and the things you've added on, any advice for Monelle on that?

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I realise, for instance, there was

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no way I was going to be allowed to extend upstairs.

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How did you know that? Because they told me. That was very definite.

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Did they say why? Yes.

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If you have a listed building, they like to be able to see the original.

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You can't cover it up and disguise it. That's the reason.

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If I'd extended here, they wouldn't have been able to see

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the back of the house, it would have completely changed it.

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But you don't always have to take an absolute no for an answer,

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there's room for negotiation sometimes.

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What does it cost to put an extension on like this

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and do a total renovation and modernisation of a house like this?

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I bought the house for ?250,000. But it cost more than that to renovate.

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That a different scale to the sort of budget you've got available.

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It doesn't alarm me.

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Stoic, that's good. Yeah.

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But if Matthew was here, he doesn't have that mind of thinking.

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What would he say, would he be worried that you would have

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to borrow on top of your savings?

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He's thinking that's probably going to have to be the case anyway.

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OK, so that's becoming reality, that's adjusting.

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Yeah, that's in our consciousness.

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It's probably a good idea to find out why your house is listed.

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This one, for instance,

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hadn't got any wonderful features that had to be kept.

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It's listed because it's one of the first prefabricated

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buildings in the world, apparently.

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The message you're also giving is you are somebody who is

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really taking this seriously and wants to do it properly.

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And once they've got that message, they do relax.

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They are easier to deal with then. Well, that was my experience anyway.

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It's quite a property, isn't it?

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Sitting here in the lovely landscaped gardens around it,

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what have you taken from today? I feel very inspired actually.

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Just sitting out here,

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thinking about why we moved to Letchworth in the first place.

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Sue's journey here,

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it's almost like that's going to be my little black book.

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I will knock at Sue's and get some more links.

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Sue is very clear on why this building is listed.

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That was her advice as well - understand the history,

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understand the heritage, that kind of discovery.

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That was brilliant advice.

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Because once we understand why it's listed, we can then find out what the

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restrictions are and where they may be a little bit more lenient or not.

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Do you believe you can do what you need to do

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to your property for the budget you've got?

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Personally, I don't think our plans are so ambitious.

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Because we're going to be living there, it will be an ongoing process.

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So money will be spent not instantly, it will be progressively.

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It's an amazing little place you've got.

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I know there's going to be some challenges ahead but,

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boy, it'll be quite special when it's done. Definitely, yeah.

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I'm really, really happy about what we've discovered

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and the advice we've had today.

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Good luck with it. Thank you.

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These projects can be very tricky, especially when the building

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is listed and certainly when it's in a conservation zone.

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And there are many challenges,

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but there aren't many that Sue hasn't faced at some point,

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so it's great she's been able to pass some of that wisdom on,

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so hopefully Monelle and Matthew

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will very soon have their own dream home like this.

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