Ian and Eleanor Usher Britain's Empty Homes


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Across the country, empty properties that could be homes

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are just waiting to be brought back into use.

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I'll be finding out why, and what you need to do to rescue a house for yourself.

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We'll be following the Empty Property Officers

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whose job it is to track down the owners of these forgotten homes

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and get them brought back into use.

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And I'll be doing some digging of my own

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to find out more about our heritage, our housing stock,

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and why we should be both preserving and re-inventing Britain's empty homes.

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On today's show, a couple taking on a run-down period cottage

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ins the Shropshire countryside.

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That's incredibly bold. I know. May I say?

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I think it's a mid-life crisis!

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The regeneration of a forgotten malt house in Staffordshire.

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We're going to preserve this building going into the future for many years.

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So it's great to give it a new, proper lease of life.

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And one of Britain's Empty Property Officers

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who's on a mission to bring empty properties in Kent back into use.

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It's been a few years since anything was carried out on this property.

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It's such a shame!

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It could be a lovely family home.

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When Ian and Eleanor Usher were searching for their dream home,

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they never envisaged they'd end up taking on a complete renovation project.

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But they've done just that,

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having recently bought a dilapidated three-bedroomed period cottage in rural Shropshire.

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It's got no central heating. We're going to be freezing.

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It's got a downstairs toilet. That's not going to be very convenient,

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and the kitchen's horrible!

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Yeah, in lots of ways, it didn't tick any boxes that we'd decided on!

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"When we move, we're going to have a beautiful four-bed detached house

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"with a wonderful kitchen."

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We've got a long kitchen! Yeah! But we're working on it.

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But we did come away feeling like, "We can do this."

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And positive, really. Really. Yeah.

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Nearly 100 years old,

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the cottage was built by the Duke of Sutherland

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to house tenants on his estate.

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What we know about the history of the property is that it was built in 1915.

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It's a Duke of Sutherland house.

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It's had two previous owners.

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One owned it for 50 years, and I think he gave it to his son.

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And then the previous owner to us, he owned it for 48 years.

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But it's been, according to neighbours and the estate agent,

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it's been empty most of that time.

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Ian and Eleanor won the property at auction for ?220,000.

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Forced to bid right up to their limit,

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they have nothing to spare for the renovation.

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We're going to do a lot of work ourselves.

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We've basically spent our money on the property.

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And so we're going to do it at a slower pace

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to our own convenience.

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Ian is a self-employed carpenter.

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They're hoping his DIY skills will save the day.

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Rather blase. "Oh, it's only like being at work!"

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But since we've looked at it again, there's a lot to do here.

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The cottage comes with a substantial 150-foot garden,

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with a stream running along the boundary.

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However, there's a lot of hard work ahead

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before it's an idyllic retreat.

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The estate agent opened up a tool store at the back of the property,

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so I grabbed a rake and I was hacking things down

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trying to find where does the garden end?

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It's just massive, isn't it?

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We were finding sheds in amongst all the greenery out there.

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"There's a greenhouse in here!"

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I was dead excited!

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The couple are letting their current home

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in order to buy the cottage.

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So despite the seriously run-down state of the place,

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they'll have to live in it whilst they do the work.

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We're going to be moving in straightaway.

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Our two children are moving in with us.

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And I think it's going to be a pretty crazy adventure, really!

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It's going to be quite exciting.

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I think we are... We're a bit concerned about the winter.

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Cos there is no central heating in here.

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Apart from an Aga.

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So we've said it's all onesies and hot water bottles, really.

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We're going to be wrapping up and walking around, wondering what we've done, probably!

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Yeah. It will be fun. It will be fun.

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They've only just got the keys, and the reality of what lies ahead has started to sink in.

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Hopefully, I can help them with the next step.

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This is yours, now. You've won it at auction.

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How do you feel about it at this point?

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Really excited, aren't we? Really excited.

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We can't wait to move in and just do stuff.

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Let's go and see what you're moving in to, shall we?

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'The brick and tile cottage is structurally sound,

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'but, as a Duke of Sutherland property, it has its own set of unique challenges.

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'No insulation, no central heating,

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'and now there's damp in the bedrooms and the kitchen.'

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Wow, look at this. That's the first thing I'm drawn to as we come in.

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Looks a bit old, bit of an antique?

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It is an antique, I think, but hopefully it'll work!

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Because between that and the two fires, that's the only heating here.

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OK. Interesting.

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Let's start at the beginning. This is a small room.

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Talk me through the layout of this plan. I can see a tiny kitchen there.

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Long, but very, very thin.

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It's described as a galley kitchen. It's like you get in a submarine!

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Amazing!

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What state is this place in? What problems are you dealing with?

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I would suggest the roof, looking from the outside, is a bit wavy.

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So there's a few rafters that are a bit bent or rotten, and something needs...

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I would think there's no felt, no insulation.

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Do you know how you're going to transform this?

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I presume it's not right for you as it is.

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No, we don't know how we're going to transform it at the moment.

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It's a bit bewildering, really, you know.

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We're just going to live in it,

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We know it needs to change.

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We need to paint it and carpet it. And tidy it up and clean it.

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New clean. And then kind of take a breath.

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And work out what needs doing first, and prioritise it.

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So you are going to move into this place as is.

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Yeah. We're going to kind of bring it on!

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That's how it goes. That's incredibly bold!

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I know!

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I think it's a mid-life crisis!

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OK, I understand what you're dealing with down here.

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Shall we look upstairs?

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'Upstairs, it's clear that Ian's concern about the roof is justified.

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'Getting it sorted and water-tight is their first priority.'

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Immediately here I can see some of the challenges, I guess.

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Is this water coming through from the roof?

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It looks like it is. We're going to have to take some of the boards off,

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strip this side down and investigate what's going on up there.

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That's an important job to get done sooner rather than later.

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Yeah. And you don't think there's any insulation there, or not much, anyway?

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I don't think there's any insulation in there.

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How much can you do yourselves here?

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The majority of the work is going to be OK.

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It's just obviously I need a hand with the sheer scale of the jobs.

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We'll work together and plan to get things done.

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Rope the kids in as well, you know!

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Eleanor, are you practical? Can you work together as a team on this?

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No, I'm not!

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I'll do whatever Ian asks me to do.

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I can lift and carry and stuff, and paint,

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but I can't cut in or... Fine.

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But you're in this together. You're not saying, "I can't manage this. Ian, you're on your own."

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You'll be working as a team. Yes, I'll support Ian.

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Is it quite daunting? It is a bit, to be fair.

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We're making light of it. We're in the position, so we've kind of got to make it happen.

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OK. Let's continue having a look round, shall we? Yeah.

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'Looking at the amount of work in store,

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'it's understandable that Ian and Eleanor feel overwhelmed

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'and a little bewildered by the scale of their project.'

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The project is a big one.

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It's not a small place and it needs a lot doing to it.

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But I think it'll good for you to see another property that's had a full renovation,

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and it's a very good match, a very similar property.

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And also a similar couple! In some ways, it's a vision of the future.

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You are them a few years ago.

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You can see what they've done, and hopefully, there'll be some great advice on offer.

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Sounds good? Great! Yeah. Excellent.

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It's really nice to meet a couple so excited about taking on an empty property.

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They really can't wait to get started.

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But because of that, I think they're putting a brave face on things.

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This is a huge project, full of problems.

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Therefore, it'll be great for them to meet a couple who've been through this before,

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they've taken on a property very similar to this,

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they've lived on site while renovating it,

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and they've done it on a very small budget.

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And that is the key here.

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So hopefully, they'll have some great advice.

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Sadly, not all of Britain's forgotten buildings

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are rescued and brought back to life.

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But local councils are taking action,

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and it's the job of Empty Property Officers to track these buildings down

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and work to bring them back into the community.

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Shepway Empty Property Officer Ian Cobby

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is checking up on a three-bed semi-detached house

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that's been empty for over seven years.

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This property has been a nightmare for many years now.

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I don't know what I'm going to find when I get here.

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The property is now overgrown.

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There's piles of rubbish

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and it looks an eyesore.

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At the moment, there's not a lot we can do

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until such time as probate has been granted on the property.

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The legal process of handing over ownership of a house

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when a homeowner dies is called a grant of probate.

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It can often mean a building is left empty while the new owner is located

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and the title transferred.

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If someone hasn't left a will, the process can take a number of years.

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This house has attracted many complaints from neighbours,

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but Ian's been unable to get a resolution.

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It's such a shame. This has been a nice property in the past.

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As you can see, most of the window frames have rotted away.

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Some of the hanging tiles are missing.

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Guttering is missing.

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It's been a few years since anything was carried out on this property.

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The garden is totally overgrown now.

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It could prove harbourage to rats and mice.

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It's such a shame.

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It could be a lovely family home.

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Ian knocks on the door of a neighbour to see if he's seen people or pests at the house.

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Hello, Mr Cobby. Good afternoon, Malcolm. How are you? Very well, thank you.

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Come to sort next door out? Hopefully, yes.

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I was just about to ask you if you'd seen anything at all from anybody going in there?

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Or any rats and mice that you've seen in the back garden at all.

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I've not seen anybody for six months now.

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I've seen a couple of rats, but that's what my cats have brought in.

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OK. Other than that, nothing.

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I'm going to have it test-baited, next door,

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just to see if there are any rats or mice.

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Obviously I know your cats are probably controlling it,

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but I need evidence, obviously, before I can serve notice.

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Right. OK. Lovely. Thanks.

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No problem. Bye. Yep, all right.

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Ian's next step is to find out who will be taking responsibility for the house.

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If probate hasn't moved forward,

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he'll have to serve a legal notice to get the garden cleared.

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Ian calls the deceased owner's daughter to get an update.

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I'm just ringing you to ask you how it's going, probate-wise.

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It's good news. The daughter is now in a position to sell the house

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and Ian doesn't need to serve notice.

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He goes back next door to give Malcolm the update.

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Hello? Hello?

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Got some good news. What's that?

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She can actually sell the property.

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So that looks pretty good news. Brilliant.

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So hang on in there!

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Yeah. Brilliant.

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I've been working on this property for seven years,

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and so this is a conclusion, a hopeful conclusion, at the moment.

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I can see a family moving into that within six months.

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If you've noticed abandoned properties in your area

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and fancy the challenge of taking one on,

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try contacting estate agents, neighbourhood watch groups and local shop owners

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to see if they have any information.

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Or get in touch with your local Empty Property Officer.

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In 2010, we visited Richard and Angela

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while they were four years into their renovation.

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Now, three years later, they've achieved a fantastic family home,

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but it's not been without its challenges.

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We were looking for something that needed some work

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and we could put our own stamp on it.

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When we first saw the place, it had been empty for a while.

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It needed a lot of work.

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Despite no experience, Richard planned and project managed the entire build himself,

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much to wife Angela's consternation!

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My biggest issue was that I knew Richard wasn't a builder,

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had no history of building or interior design or designing.

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He was a banker and I thought he should stick with what he knew best!

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But immense enthusiasm.

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So we did clash on this

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because I just thought, "This is not your field."

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I was told two kind of rules to building or renovating.

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The first one I was told was to plan the build,

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and the second was to build to the plan.

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And a third one was later added, which was build to budget.

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Unfortunately, I didn't follow any of those rules,

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and I just went with whatever I thought was suitable at the time.

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Richard didn't let Angela's lack of enthusiasm or his lack of know-how

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get in the way of his grand designs to double the floor space

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to 8,000 square feet.

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I actually wanted a swimming pool underneath the house.

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But I was persuaded by others that it's not such a great idea.

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Probably better to put the pool in the garden and use the space for something else.

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So I've built a gymnasium and a wet room and a gym complex as such.

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Which is fun!

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I felt that I might not complete it on a couple of occasions.

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But doggedly just kind of continued.

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And, um, the best feeling of it all

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was when it was completed

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and lying on a pool lounger, just looking up at it, and thinking, "It's nice that it's finished."

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After eight years and a substantial amount of money and sacrifice,

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the family have achieved an astounding transformation.

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It's something that I visualised and thought it's exactly what we needed.

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And it is, I can't really fault it now. It's amazing.

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I'm really proud of it.

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I think the space is second to none, really.

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Obviously I enjoy the kitchen. I'm in there all the time.

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It's a very sociable house. So for entertaining, anything like that, it's brilliant.

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I would do it again, yeah.

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Probably bigger, though!

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I don't know. I don't know, actually.

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But you didn't build it! No, I didn't, but I lived through it, and that's just as bad!

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Empty buildings can blight an entire neighbourhood,

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so it's very much in the local community's interests to try and get the best out of them.

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But places that have been empty can be notoriously tricky to turn around.

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It often requires someone with a vision

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and plenty of energy to get things going.

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There are over 16,000 empty buildings in Staffordshire.

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And many are remnants of the county's industrial heyday.

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The Maltings in the brewery town of Stone is one such building.

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Derelict for decades, it's a local landmark

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and is located on one of the town's busiest roads.

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But architect Carl Croft is determined it's worth saving.

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Carl, tell me about this building.

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It looks like a big red brick barn, but it was something to do with the brewing industry, was it?

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You'd be surprised how many people think it's a barn or something like that.

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But originally it's a maltings building dating back to the 1780s.

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So it goes back 230 years or more.

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What would have been around here then? Not a main road?

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Absolutely not, no.

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You've got to remember that a maltings building was a completely agricultural process.

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It would have been surrounded by fields.

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Let's go and look inside, and see what you're dealing with.

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'The Maltings was used for soaking, sprouting and drying grain to create malt,

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'a key ingredient in brewing beer.

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'It fell into disrepair, lying vacant until the '60s and was scheduled for demolition.

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'But a Grade II listing due to its heritage saved it.'

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What's the plan for this space? There are a lot of possibilities here.

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Yes. What we're proposing to do

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is to create two retail units, small shop units, in this space.

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Upstairs, we're proposing three duplex apartments

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so that families or professionals alike

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could live in quite a nice space.

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The shop at the end is going to include the kiln area. Yeah.

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And that's the reason for the listing, essentially,

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that and the fact that, by and large, you can tell that this is still a malting building.

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So you have to be really careful to keep those features.

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So you can't just open out the kiln area.

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If it's going to be part of a shop, it has to be preserved the way it is.

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Essentially, the kiln itself is sacrosanct, yes. Yeah.

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Let's have a look upstairs, shall we? Great.

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'Retaining the historic features is a key reason

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'why Carl's vision was approved where others failed.

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'And upstairs, the plans for the apartments

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'incorporate the unique beams.'

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This could be a great space. It's all the rage to have warehouse apartments and that kind of stuff,

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but this is the genuine article! Yeah. A lot of history to the building.

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What is it about this building you find so attractive?

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It's got a real potential to kind of improve the town.

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And we're going to preserve this building

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going into the future for many years.

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So it's great to give it a new, proper lease of life.

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You must hope to see this quite soon.

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After all your work, it'll be great to see it realised.

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We're chomping at the bit to get this one going!

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Thank you for showing me round.

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Great plans, and very exciting, so I hope it comes off soon.

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Brilliant. Thank you.

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So it looks like there's finally fresh hope for the maltings.

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The difficulty here is being sensitive to the building,

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preserving its heritage and its characteristics,

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while making it suitable for modern living.

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But it looks like these plans do just that,

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so let's hope they're put in place soon

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so this old building can once again be central to the community here in Stone.

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'Back in Shropshire, I'm with Ian and Eleanor,

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'who've taken on a dilapidated cottage they want to transform into a family home.

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'They're at the very beginning of the project

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'and with plans still up in the air, they've got lots of questions.

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'I'm going to introduce them to a couple who've done something very similar.'

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Right, here we are!

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So this is the place I've brought you to see.

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Any thoughts? I know it's big, but is it familiar?

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Yeah. The little dormer roofs, and it just has a feel similar to ours.

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Perhaps it won't surprise you it's also a Duke of Sutherland property?

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It's been completely changed by Matt and Christina, who you'll meet in a second.

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The thing about these two is they did a lot of the work themselves.

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And they lived on site for a lot of the build

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which will make them quite interesting to talk to for you guys.

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Shall we go and say hello? Yeah. Yeah. Good.

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'Matt and Christina took on not one but three run-down cottages.

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'They were also former tenants' homes on the Duke of Sutherland's estate.

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'Matt immediately saw the potential to create an ideal family home

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'and set about convincing his wife, Christina.'

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He brought me up one of the days to have a look from the outside.

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And I thought how nice it was,

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not knowing what it was like on the inside!

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The buildings sit on a three-quarters-of-an-acre plot

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and despite their neglected state, there was high competition from other buyers.

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The person that was selling the property had been left the house in a will.

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And she'd come over from Australia. So I took the time to meet her.

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She had higher offers than us, but because she knew it was going to be a family house,

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she let us have it.

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And we're still in touch now. She comes over and visits.

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The couple snatched up the cottages for a total of ?300,000.

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To save money, the family made the bold decision

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to live in the ramshackle cottages whilst the renovation was ongoing,

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presenting a number of challenges.

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There was no insulation, no damp course.

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The insulation was more of an issue with trying to live in it at the time because it was so cold

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in the house.

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So we would have log burners burning 24/7 to keep heat in.

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Half the time we were living in the open air

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because although we had the roof above our head, one of the walls would be out.

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Matt did the majority of the work by himself.

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Progress was slow, and the first winter on site was a real eye-opener.

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It was one of the worst winters we've ever had.

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It was really, really difficult.

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We were sweeping a foot of snow off the scaffolding

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to then carry on that day's work.

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I fell off the scaffolding the one day twice, or fell off the roof twice, in a day.

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I had to climb back on and carry on.

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That was a bit difficult.

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If we'd had roofers in and carpenters in, it would have taken a couple of weeks.

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It took me about four or five months to finish the roof

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because I was doing it all myself.

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Christina pitched in, saving themselves thousands of pounds

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cleaning all the bricks from demolition for re-use.

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We couldn't have done it without Christina.

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She didn't just clean one or two, she cleaned 10,000 bricks!

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She had hands like a navvy by the end of it.

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She worked winter, summer, cleaned them in the snow. Everything.

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The hard work and sacrifice has paid off.

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And four years down the line they've achieved a wonderful family home.

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I've forgotten all about it, to be honest. It's funny.

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You forget about all the bad things when you get to this stage

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because you see it all come together and all that fades into the background.

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I'm hoping that meeting Matt and Christina

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and seeing just what they've achieved

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will help Ian and Eleanor feel less daunted

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and more inspired by the journey ahead.

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It's lovely to meet you. Thanks for having us in your home.

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As you walk in here, what are your first impressions?

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It's a pretty big kitchen diner. Yes. Amazing. Wonderful.

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What was it like to live here on a building site during that time?

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Very cold! Upstairs was particularly bad for us

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because we're in such an exposed spot here.

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There was no insulation. Because the roof is your ceiling. Yes.

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You've got no protection whatsoever.

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So we had the gale force winds coming in through the uninsulated windows

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and obviously there was no insulation in the roof, so it was very cold.

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These guys are having that issue as well.

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Because the ceiling's right in the roof,

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what do you do? Insulate between the joists?

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You use blocks of insulation between the roof joists. 100ml.

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And then you use a 75ml block again just underneath.

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Then you screw your plasterboard onto that joist as well.

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It's a hell of a job, to be honest,

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because you're drilling the insulation and holding up the plasterboard. But it's worth it.

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OK. The kitchen is absolutely amazing. Can we look at some more?

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Yes. Help yourself.

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Matt and Christina knocked through the three cottages

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and extended upwards to create two properties -

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their four-bedroomed family home and a two-bed guest house next door.

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This is originally the area that we lived in.

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This was our bedroom, my daughter's bedroom, the bathroom and the hallway, all in one!

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It was everything! That's now just your bedroom. Yeah. This was the house, basically.

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How much of this work did you actually do yourselves?

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I'd say about 80% myself

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and calling in favours to either do the work for me or show me where I'm going wrong

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and then keep coming back to make sure I'm doing it right.

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Specialist tools, as well. Hiring equipment and tools.

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The cost can escalate so much in scaffolding and professional tools.

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Rather than renting them, I was buying them off auction sites.

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Had you thought of that? No, not at all. That's a really good idea.

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It's a bit of money up-front, but in the long term, it could save money.

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And what about materials, as well?

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How do you stretch your budget? Were you looking to recycle materials

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or asking for people's old materials?

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If you spot a building site, a small-scale building site,

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that's nearing completion,

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there's always a lot of left-over materials.

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You can generally meet the site agent and do a deal and buy the left-over materials

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rather than them being chucked away.

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I suppose if you don't ask, you don't get. That's the principle here.

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Any final advice on the order you do things in? Where your priorities are?

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The main one is the roof and windows, to make it watertight.

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That will allow other trades to follow on.

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Then, because you want to live in the house,

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you've got to make a bedroom nice and tidy for you to relax.

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Somewhere to watch TV, somewhere to cook.

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When you went to work on the place, presumably you stripped it out?

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Yes, it was all completely cleared out.

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It was just an empty property.

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So they could just gut it then and get on with what needed to be done.

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I think we might have to consider doing that

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and kind of transferring furniture around the house.

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Definitely something to bear in mind.

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Guys, thank you very much for showing us round.

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It's been wonderful. It's quite a mammoth project.

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You've achieved an awful lot. And thank you for your advice today, as well. It's been great.

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Thank you. Our pleasure.

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How have you found it today?

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Really beneficial. Yes, totally.

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It has really been an eye-opener.

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I feel like if they can do all of this,

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we do stand a chance of being able to do our much smaller project.

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Their ideas are really good, really relevant.

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They've been really helpful. Totally. Shared... Good money-saving tips. Yeah.

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Shared so much advice. Yeah.

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You're in exactly the same position.

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Matt did about 80% of the work, exactly what you're looking to do.

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Yeah, so it is just being bold, asking, begging favours from trades and that kind of stuff.

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And they show it can work.

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I think you'll be just fine. Good. It's a great place.

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It's a wonderful location. Good luck. I hope you're having people round for barbecues next summer!

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Let's hope so! Yeah! Thank you very much.

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This really has been the ideal place for Ian and Ellie to see today.

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A very similar building to theirs

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and loads of great ideas for them to take away.

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But it's also been about advice.

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Everything from insulation to sourcing building supplies

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and I think it's given them great reassurance.

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They really can do this.

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So they come away from here full of belief

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that they can turn their little cottage into their perfect place in the country.

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