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Today, the Heir Hunters endeavour to crack | 0:00:03 | 0:00:06 | |
a case before the competition gets there first. | 0:00:06 | 0:00:08 | |
PHONE RINGS | 0:00:08 | 0:00:10 | |
We're a firm of heir hunters and we're actually looking into the | 0:00:10 | 0:00:13 | |
Butler family tree... | 0:00:13 | 0:00:15 | |
..has picked yourself up as a possible beneficiary. | 0:00:15 | 0:00:19 | |
If you recognise those as your parents, please do give me a | 0:00:19 | 0:00:22 | |
call back and we can go into some further detail. | 0:00:22 | 0:00:24 | |
While another team discover a family secret hidden for centuries. | 0:00:26 | 0:00:31 | |
Our Baltic agent came up with a police report. | 0:00:31 | 0:00:35 | |
Tracing the past can lead to an incredible future. | 0:00:37 | 0:00:41 | |
When I found that out, it's a case of, wow! | 0:00:41 | 0:00:44 | |
In London, heir hunting firm Finders are working on a new case | 0:00:59 | 0:01:02 | |
this morning from the government's Bona Vacantia list. | 0:01:02 | 0:01:06 | |
It's the estate of the late Hedley Henry Arnold. | 0:01:06 | 0:01:10 | |
According to the Treasury's listed details, | 0:01:10 | 0:01:13 | |
he's also known as Eddie. Although Hedley was married to a lady | 0:01:13 | 0:01:17 | |
named Gladys, they didn't have any children. | 0:01:17 | 0:01:20 | |
Hedley himself appears to have been an only child. | 0:01:20 | 0:01:23 | |
His mother was fairly old when she married, so it was unlikely, | 0:01:23 | 0:01:28 | |
anyway, that he was going to have very many siblings, if any. | 0:01:28 | 0:01:32 | |
We were very close, as great friends. | 0:01:38 | 0:01:42 | |
And I used to speak to him every Sunday, | 0:01:42 | 0:01:45 | |
on the telephone, | 0:01:45 | 0:01:47 | |
every week. | 0:01:47 | 0:01:48 | |
Hedley Arnold was born in Dorchester, Dorset, on 5th April, | 0:01:50 | 0:01:54 | |
1925, and worked in a factory | 0:01:54 | 0:01:56 | |
where he met his future wife, Gladys. | 0:01:56 | 0:01:58 | |
She was keen on gardening. | 0:02:00 | 0:02:02 | |
I think...Hedley kind of grew into that himself. | 0:02:02 | 0:02:08 | |
Their living room was a garden and | 0:02:08 | 0:02:12 | |
they just loved it in the garden. | 0:02:12 | 0:02:15 | |
He later worked as a caretaker at the local school. | 0:02:15 | 0:02:18 | |
In the community, Eddie was well-liked | 0:02:19 | 0:02:24 | |
because people used to come up and talk to him. | 0:02:24 | 0:02:27 | |
He wouldn't talk to them, they would come up to him to talk to him | 0:02:27 | 0:02:32 | |
because he's that sort of person. | 0:02:32 | 0:02:34 | |
He'd do anything for anyone. | 0:02:34 | 0:02:35 | |
As a caring and compassionate member of the local community, | 0:02:37 | 0:02:40 | |
Hedley is remembered with affection. | 0:02:40 | 0:02:43 | |
A very warm-hearted man. | 0:02:43 | 0:02:45 | |
No-one had a bad word to say against him at all. | 0:02:45 | 0:02:49 | |
I've never heard anyone talk of Hedley in a bad way. | 0:02:49 | 0:02:55 | |
Everyone thought he was a lovely person. | 0:02:55 | 0:02:58 | |
Once you got to know him... | 0:02:58 | 0:03:00 | |
..you would have a friend for life. | 0:03:01 | 0:03:03 | |
Hedley Arnold passed away on 20th July 2015, aged 90. | 0:03:05 | 0:03:11 | |
I sit there sometimes, | 0:03:12 | 0:03:15 | |
on a Sunday, | 0:03:15 | 0:03:16 | |
and suddenly thought, | 0:03:16 | 0:03:18 | |
"The phone's not rung." | 0:03:18 | 0:03:20 | |
And I said, "Stupid, it's not going to ring any more." | 0:03:20 | 0:03:23 | |
But the team need to find Hedley's family fast, | 0:03:28 | 0:03:31 | |
because today, they've got competition. | 0:03:31 | 0:03:34 | |
It's actually the only advertised estate this morning, | 0:03:34 | 0:03:36 | |
so we are expecting it to be incredibly competitive. | 0:03:36 | 0:03:39 | |
There's a few key skills you need as an heir hunter. | 0:03:39 | 0:03:41 | |
It's all very fast-paced, I think leads to the necessity of being | 0:03:41 | 0:03:47 | |
able to think laterally and do a few different things at the same time. | 0:03:47 | 0:03:50 | |
I think without that skill you could easily get swamped in the research | 0:03:50 | 0:03:54 | |
that you do, particularly when you're up against other companies. | 0:03:54 | 0:03:58 | |
Travelling researcher, Stuart, is on standby, | 0:03:58 | 0:04:00 | |
ready to gather information on the ground that may lead to heirs. | 0:04:00 | 0:04:05 | |
You just must never give up because you'll always find them in the end. | 0:04:05 | 0:04:10 | |
And the team have already made quick progress, | 0:04:12 | 0:04:14 | |
establishing who Hedley's family are. | 0:04:14 | 0:04:17 | |
What does it look like, Coxy? | 0:04:17 | 0:04:19 | |
It doesn't look like, I think it's | 0:04:19 | 0:04:21 | |
-probably going to die out. -Ah. Oh, no. | 0:04:21 | 0:04:23 | |
So, Amy Cox has been looking at the Arnold side, the paternal side. | 0:04:23 | 0:04:27 | |
She thinks there are probably four stems, three of those four | 0:04:27 | 0:04:31 | |
have completely died out without any living descendants. | 0:04:31 | 0:04:34 | |
So, we're not looking at many, if any, beneficiaries on that side. | 0:04:34 | 0:04:39 | |
So, Amy and Ryan have moved on to | 0:04:39 | 0:04:42 | |
Hedley's mother's side | 0:04:42 | 0:04:44 | |
and found his grandparents, | 0:04:44 | 0:04:45 | |
Henry Meech and Esther Billet. | 0:04:45 | 0:04:48 | |
They had nine children, | 0:04:48 | 0:04:49 | |
four of whom died as infants. | 0:04:49 | 0:04:51 | |
Again, there are four stems to be looking into, | 0:04:52 | 0:04:57 | |
four maternal aunts and uncles. | 0:04:57 | 0:05:00 | |
Two of those have already died out without any living descendants. | 0:05:00 | 0:05:04 | |
Ryan is looking at a further stem | 0:05:04 | 0:05:07 | |
and I have one to look at as well. | 0:05:07 | 0:05:09 | |
Mine's not looking that great either. | 0:05:09 | 0:05:11 | |
Half of the stem has already died out without any issue, | 0:05:11 | 0:05:14 | |
and I'm just looking for one stem that's a little bit of a mystery, | 0:05:14 | 0:05:19 | |
perhaps they've gone overseas. | 0:05:19 | 0:05:21 | |
I can't find any good marriage or death records for them. | 0:05:21 | 0:05:23 | |
So, I'm going to get stuck in and see if I can find anybody. | 0:05:23 | 0:05:28 | |
With all but two of Hedley's aunts' and uncles' lines having no | 0:05:28 | 0:05:31 | |
living offspring, Amy is tracing Fanny Meech, Hedley's aunt. | 0:05:31 | 0:05:35 | |
Fanny married Edward Woolfries, | 0:05:36 | 0:05:38 | |
and had two children, Hilda and Ethel. | 0:05:38 | 0:05:41 | |
But as the team look into Hedley's cousin Hilda, | 0:05:42 | 0:05:45 | |
they hit a problem. | 0:05:45 | 0:05:47 | |
Hilda, it's looking as though she's married a couple of times, | 0:05:47 | 0:05:51 | |
had children with her first husband | 0:05:51 | 0:05:53 | |
who is looking as though he's probably a colonel | 0:05:53 | 0:05:56 | |
in the British Army. And they travelled | 0:05:56 | 0:05:59 | |
back and forth between Bombay, having children as they went. | 0:05:59 | 0:06:03 | |
One country that some people don't always think to look in is India. | 0:06:03 | 0:06:06 | |
Now, there was a large period of British history, | 0:06:06 | 0:06:10 | |
obviously with the empires. | 0:06:10 | 0:06:11 | |
We weren't particularly surprised to find events happening in India | 0:06:11 | 0:06:14 | |
given that there was a military serving personnel in the family. | 0:06:14 | 0:06:18 | |
During the 1930s, Hilda travelled to India with her husband, Emile, | 0:06:27 | 0:06:31 | |
where he was serving in the British Indian Army. | 0:06:31 | 0:06:34 | |
At this time, India was still a colony of the United Kingdom, | 0:06:36 | 0:06:40 | |
known historically as the British Raj. | 0:06:40 | 0:06:42 | |
The British had established | 0:06:44 | 0:06:45 | |
themselves in India through | 0:06:45 | 0:06:47 | |
the East India Company several | 0:06:47 | 0:06:49 | |
centuries before, | 0:06:49 | 0:06:50 | |
but India had become very important to the British, | 0:06:50 | 0:06:53 | |
both as a strategic bastion, | 0:06:53 | 0:06:56 | |
located where it is in south-east Asia. | 0:06:56 | 0:06:59 | |
But also in terms of trade and the spices | 0:06:59 | 0:07:01 | |
and the foods and the textiles which came from that country. | 0:07:01 | 0:07:05 | |
To many people, India was the jewel of the British Empire. | 0:07:05 | 0:07:09 | |
The British Indian Army was a locally enlisted force, | 0:07:10 | 0:07:14 | |
with British commanding officers and Indian soldiers. | 0:07:14 | 0:07:18 | |
Emile served with the Royal Tank Corps in India during the 1930s. | 0:07:18 | 0:07:22 | |
The British Indian Army did not have any armoured car | 0:07:23 | 0:07:27 | |
or very few artillery regiments. | 0:07:27 | 0:07:29 | |
These armoured cars were unusual at this time and, therefore, | 0:07:29 | 0:07:34 | |
Emile was no doubt a very valuable asset working in India at the time. | 0:07:34 | 0:07:39 | |
Of course, for those who joined the British Indian Army, | 0:07:39 | 0:07:43 | |
then it became much more likely that their wives | 0:07:43 | 0:07:46 | |
and dependents would follow them out there. | 0:07:46 | 0:07:48 | |
There were married quarters provided. | 0:07:48 | 0:07:51 | |
Life in India was incredibly different to life back home | 0:07:51 | 0:07:55 | |
for the British families. | 0:07:55 | 0:07:57 | |
For Hilda, you know, coming from rural Dorchester, | 0:07:57 | 0:08:00 | |
going out to India, as I said, with the vibrancy of Indian society, | 0:08:00 | 0:08:05 | |
they should be able to go out to the local markets, | 0:08:05 | 0:08:08 | |
where there'll be a range of vegetables | 0:08:08 | 0:08:10 | |
and fruits which she would never have experienced in England. | 0:08:10 | 0:08:15 | |
You know, it was a very comfortable and privileged | 0:08:15 | 0:08:18 | |
existence for most people in India, most British people in India. | 0:08:18 | 0:08:22 | |
Certainly way above the standards that they could expect | 0:08:22 | 0:08:25 | |
back home in England. | 0:08:25 | 0:08:26 | |
However, following the Second World War, | 0:08:28 | 0:08:31 | |
there was a growing momentum for Indian independence. | 0:08:31 | 0:08:34 | |
For the British personnel serving in India, | 0:08:36 | 0:08:39 | |
most seem to have become aware of the fact that Indian | 0:08:39 | 0:08:42 | |
independence was going to become a question of when, not if. | 0:08:42 | 0:08:46 | |
That meant that their lifestyles were being challenged | 0:08:46 | 0:08:49 | |
and threatened and that they faced a very uncertain future | 0:08:49 | 0:08:53 | |
because they would have to return to the United Kingdom. | 0:08:53 | 0:08:55 | |
Emile would have found that his promotional prospects would | 0:08:55 | 0:08:58 | |
have ceased. Certainly, his career was effectively over | 0:08:58 | 0:09:03 | |
and we know that he definitely came back to the United Kingdom, | 0:09:03 | 0:09:06 | |
whether on leave or permanently in 1946. | 0:09:06 | 0:09:10 | |
While Amy can trace the family's return to England, | 0:09:19 | 0:09:22 | |
she can't work out if Hilda and Emile's children are still alive. | 0:09:22 | 0:09:27 | |
When people are born abroad, | 0:09:27 | 0:09:29 | |
it makes searching for their records particularly difficult. | 0:09:29 | 0:09:33 | |
So, I'm just having a play around with the English records and, | 0:09:33 | 0:09:36 | |
also, we have access to some overseas records. | 0:09:36 | 0:09:41 | |
And some of those are Armed Forces records | 0:09:41 | 0:09:44 | |
and some of them Bombay baptism and marriage records, | 0:09:44 | 0:09:48 | |
which it looks as though it's probably where they were based. | 0:09:48 | 0:09:52 | |
But it's not looking too positive at the moment | 0:09:52 | 0:09:56 | |
because I just can't tell what happened to them. | 0:09:56 | 0:09:58 | |
Can the team persevere | 0:09:58 | 0:10:00 | |
or will the competition solve this case instead? | 0:10:00 | 0:10:03 | |
Maternal cousin once removed. | 0:10:03 | 0:10:06 | |
There is always a limit to the amount of investigating we can do | 0:10:06 | 0:10:11 | |
and, you know, once we've used all of our tenacity to try | 0:10:11 | 0:10:16 | |
and find the people that we're looking for, | 0:10:16 | 0:10:19 | |
we have to be realistic sometimes and say, | 0:10:19 | 0:10:21 | |
"Look, it just can't be done." | 0:10:21 | 0:10:23 | |
Hi, Stuart, it's Amy. | 0:10:23 | 0:10:24 | |
Oh, no. Yes. | 0:10:27 | 0:10:29 | |
Oh, no. Oh, wow! | 0:10:31 | 0:10:33 | |
It seems the team are not ready to give up the search yet. | 0:10:33 | 0:10:37 | |
Across the UK, heir hunters are looking back into the past, | 0:10:46 | 0:10:49 | |
searching for relatives of people who have passed away. | 0:10:49 | 0:10:52 | |
Could they be looking for you? | 0:10:52 | 0:10:55 | |
Hello. | 0:10:55 | 0:10:56 | |
Sometimes, through the course of their research, heir hunters | 0:10:57 | 0:11:01 | |
can stumble across untold stories, covered up by the tracks of time. | 0:11:01 | 0:11:05 | |
Basil Goldston, a computer operator, was born on January 8th, 1926, | 0:11:10 | 0:11:16 | |
in South Shields, Durham, | 0:11:16 | 0:11:17 | |
but lived most of his life in Edmonton, north London. | 0:11:17 | 0:11:21 | |
With no photographs or close family remaining, | 0:11:22 | 0:11:26 | |
it's tricky to get a sense of his life. | 0:11:26 | 0:11:28 | |
But Henry Jacobs, a member of the local Jewish community, | 0:11:29 | 0:11:33 | |
is able to paint a picture. | 0:11:33 | 0:11:34 | |
Basil's father was | 0:11:35 | 0:11:37 | |
the Reverend Goldstein in the | 0:11:37 | 0:11:39 | |
South Shields Jewish community. | 0:11:39 | 0:11:42 | |
I think it's true to say that it would've had a significant | 0:11:42 | 0:11:46 | |
bearing on his upbringing. | 0:11:46 | 0:11:49 | |
He certainly would have been very familiar with all the rituals | 0:11:49 | 0:11:55 | |
and all the ways of Jewish life. | 0:11:55 | 0:11:59 | |
Records show Basil married Rosina Shine in 1962. | 0:12:01 | 0:12:05 | |
The normal thing in those days | 0:12:06 | 0:12:10 | |
for a Jewish couple would be to be | 0:12:10 | 0:12:13 | |
married within a synagogue. | 0:12:13 | 0:12:15 | |
And if he was living in Dalston, | 0:12:15 | 0:12:20 | |
the local synagogue would have been United Synagogue. | 0:12:20 | 0:12:23 | |
But it seems this marriage did not last | 0:12:23 | 0:12:26 | |
and Basil remained in Edmonton alone until the end of his life. | 0:12:26 | 0:12:30 | |
When Basil passed away on April 5th, 1993, | 0:12:36 | 0:12:39 | |
the case went up on the Government Legal Department's | 0:12:39 | 0:12:42 | |
Bona Vacantia list but no heirs were found. | 0:12:42 | 0:12:45 | |
..and maybe order up a check on the father's name. | 0:12:45 | 0:12:49 | |
The case remained unsolved for over 14 years until, in 2007, | 0:12:49 | 0:12:55 | |
the team from Celtic Research decided to see | 0:12:55 | 0:12:57 | |
if they could crack it and finally find the heirs to Basil's estate. | 0:12:57 | 0:13:02 | |
The company is run by father and son, | 0:13:02 | 0:13:04 | |
Peter and Hector Birchwood, | 0:13:04 | 0:13:06 | |
and their team is based all around the UK. | 0:13:06 | 0:13:09 | |
We do have a niche within very hard to solve cases, | 0:13:09 | 0:13:12 | |
cases that require a lot of work and a lot of thinking. | 0:13:12 | 0:13:16 | |
And the value of the estate made the case even more exciting. | 0:13:16 | 0:13:20 | |
We estimated that the value would be around £60,000. | 0:13:20 | 0:13:24 | |
At that point, we thought it would be compelling enough for any heirs, | 0:13:24 | 0:13:28 | |
if we could find any, to be able to receive this amount. | 0:13:28 | 0:13:30 | |
An only child himself, Basil had died a bachelor without any | 0:13:30 | 0:13:35 | |
children, so the team moved back a generation to look for his parents. | 0:13:35 | 0:13:39 | |
Basil's birth certificate shows the Goldston spelling, | 0:13:40 | 0:13:43 | |
but his parents had originally been known as Goldstein. | 0:13:43 | 0:13:47 | |
His mother was Minnie Saltzberg | 0:13:47 | 0:13:49 | |
and his father was Isaac Joseph Goldston. | 0:13:49 | 0:13:52 | |
Isaac appeared to be a Jewish minister. | 0:13:52 | 0:13:55 | |
Their marriage certificate showed their wedding had | 0:13:55 | 0:13:58 | |
taken place in Spitalfields, East London, | 0:13:58 | 0:14:00 | |
where they may have lived. | 0:14:00 | 0:14:01 | |
It also revealed the name of Minnie's father. | 0:14:01 | 0:14:05 | |
His name was Benjamin, otherwise, Barnett Saltzberg. | 0:14:05 | 0:14:08 | |
It didn't give us a profession but we were able to find him and | 0:14:08 | 0:14:11 | |
through subsequent research, through the census. | 0:14:11 | 0:14:13 | |
And through his death record in 1922, | 0:14:13 | 0:14:16 | |
we found out that he was a rabbinical doctor | 0:14:16 | 0:14:18 | |
and a schoolmaster. | 0:14:18 | 0:14:19 | |
Any living relatives would be found through his aunts and uncles | 0:14:19 | 0:14:23 | |
and their children, | 0:14:23 | 0:14:24 | |
so the team also needed to find his maternal grandmother. | 0:14:24 | 0:14:27 | |
But the trail now went cold. | 0:14:27 | 0:14:30 | |
The next step, really, | 0:14:30 | 0:14:31 | |
is trying to locate the marriage of the mother's parents | 0:14:31 | 0:14:33 | |
to identify what kind of siblings she had. | 0:14:33 | 0:14:36 | |
We weren't able to find any marriage. | 0:14:36 | 0:14:38 | |
We weren't really able to find any birth for the mother either, | 0:14:38 | 0:14:40 | |
or for any of her siblings. | 0:14:40 | 0:14:42 | |
The censuses indicated to us that she had other family and, | 0:14:42 | 0:14:45 | |
through further research, we found that they came from Russia. | 0:14:45 | 0:14:49 | |
The lack of records coupled with proof that Barnett's family were | 0:14:53 | 0:14:56 | |
Russian Jews living in London's East End, | 0:14:56 | 0:14:59 | |
led to a dawning realisation. | 0:14:59 | 0:15:01 | |
Given the events that have occurred through Central | 0:15:01 | 0:15:05 | |
and Eastern Europe since the better part of the 19th century, | 0:15:05 | 0:15:09 | |
it was very unlikely that we would find | 0:15:09 | 0:15:12 | |
both any records or | 0:15:12 | 0:15:13 | |
perhaps any surviving relatives. | 0:15:13 | 0:15:15 | |
During the 19th and 20th century, approximately 3,000,000 Jews | 0:15:21 | 0:15:25 | |
fled Russia during the pogroms - | 0:15:25 | 0:15:28 | |
violent riots aimed at massacring their community. | 0:15:28 | 0:15:31 | |
A pogrom is a | 0:15:32 | 0:15:33 | |
sustained attack on a | 0:15:33 | 0:15:36 | |
community of Jewish people. | 0:15:36 | 0:15:38 | |
The trigger for this was the assassination of Tsar Alexander II, | 0:15:38 | 0:15:42 | |
for which some blame the Jews. | 0:15:42 | 0:15:45 | |
I think, in general, there was some anti-Jewish feeling anyway. | 0:15:45 | 0:15:48 | |
Competition for land, competition for jobs within the economy, | 0:15:48 | 0:15:53 | |
and perhaps, just that inherent subliminal feeling that we | 0:15:53 | 0:15:57 | |
Jews were strange and different from the indigenous population. | 0:15:57 | 0:16:01 | |
Persecution took all sorts of forms. | 0:16:02 | 0:16:04 | |
I mean, at its worst, they were violent and resulted in fatalities. | 0:16:04 | 0:16:09 | |
Property was destroyed, Jews were expelled from their villages, | 0:16:09 | 0:16:13 | |
they were reduced to poverty on many occasions. | 0:16:13 | 0:16:17 | |
It was just a violent assault on their way of life. | 0:16:17 | 0:16:21 | |
In one particular pogrom, 2,000 Jews were killed. | 0:16:21 | 0:16:25 | |
Many went to the United States, but up to 100,000 came to the UK. | 0:16:25 | 0:16:29 | |
They were very much an integrated community. They needed each other. | 0:16:31 | 0:16:35 | |
The majority of Jews that came to the UK would have been quite poor. | 0:16:35 | 0:16:40 | |
Some, literally, arrived with their clothes on their back, | 0:16:40 | 0:16:43 | |
you know, a few coins in their pocket. | 0:16:43 | 0:16:45 | |
Those were the kind of conditions that immigrants, or | 0:16:45 | 0:16:49 | |
people that had been immigrants at the turn of the century but | 0:16:49 | 0:16:52 | |
were still establishing themselves, could well have been living in. | 0:16:52 | 0:16:55 | |
It's likely Basil's grandfather would have played a central role | 0:17:01 | 0:17:05 | |
within this community. | 0:17:05 | 0:17:06 | |
As a religious man, as a rabbi, as a Hebrew teacher, he would have | 0:17:07 | 0:17:12 | |
been very much a central point, a pivotal point for the community. | 0:17:12 | 0:17:15 | |
As an educated man and obviously, clearly, | 0:17:15 | 0:17:18 | |
a highly intelligent man, he may have been more receptive | 0:17:18 | 0:17:21 | |
and more capable of learning English quickly, | 0:17:21 | 0:17:23 | |
which literally was a foreign language. | 0:17:23 | 0:17:26 | |
Very, very different from the language that immigrants spoke. | 0:17:26 | 0:17:29 | |
So he would have understood any kind of bureaucracy that they faced, | 0:17:29 | 0:17:33 | |
he would have, perhaps, | 0:17:33 | 0:17:34 | |
been able to write letters on behalf of the community. | 0:17:34 | 0:17:36 | |
And perhaps it was this which led to the meeting of Basil's parents. | 0:17:36 | 0:17:41 | |
It's possible that Minnie, as the daughter of a rabbi, | 0:17:41 | 0:17:45 | |
daughter of a very religious man, it would have been anathema | 0:17:45 | 0:17:49 | |
for her to marry anybody other than a fellow religious Jew. | 0:17:49 | 0:17:52 | |
Therefore, it's quite likely that she met Isaac, her intended, | 0:17:52 | 0:17:57 | |
maybe through her father, | 0:17:57 | 0:17:59 | |
through the fact that he was a Hebrew teacher. | 0:17:59 | 0:18:01 | |
Intrigued by what he had discovered, | 0:18:05 | 0:18:08 | |
and determined not to give up, Hector passed the case to north west | 0:18:08 | 0:18:11 | |
regional case manager, Saul Marks, who specialises in Jewish genealogy. | 0:18:11 | 0:18:17 | |
The next thing I did was look in The Jewish Chronicle | 0:18:17 | 0:18:20 | |
for death notices for Basil's parents. | 0:18:20 | 0:18:23 | |
The Jewish Chronicle has been documenting Jewish life | 0:18:23 | 0:18:27 | |
for nearly 175 years. | 0:18:27 | 0:18:29 | |
We are the oldest continually | 0:18:29 | 0:18:32 | |
published Jewish newspaper | 0:18:32 | 0:18:33 | |
in the world. | 0:18:33 | 0:18:34 | |
You have in the pages of the JC an almost complete and total record | 0:18:34 | 0:18:40 | |
of every Jew born, marrying | 0:18:40 | 0:18:44 | |
and dying since the JC was founded. | 0:18:44 | 0:18:46 | |
With Basil's father being a prominent member of the community, | 0:18:46 | 0:18:50 | |
Saul was hopeful this would kick-start the research. | 0:18:50 | 0:18:53 | |
We have in our pages what we call the HMD pages, the hatches, | 0:18:53 | 0:18:58 | |
matches, and dispatches, which is where Jews advertise births, | 0:18:58 | 0:19:02 | |
engagements, marriages and deaths. | 0:19:02 | 0:19:04 | |
And that's a fantastic resource to genealogists cos | 0:19:04 | 0:19:08 | |
not only do they have that, | 0:19:08 | 0:19:09 | |
but they can also put it in the context of wider events, because all | 0:19:09 | 0:19:13 | |
of the JC's editions are available online as part of our archive. | 0:19:13 | 0:19:19 | |
I was really pleased to find that Basil had placed death notices | 0:19:21 | 0:19:24 | |
for both his parents and the one for Minnie actually referred | 0:19:24 | 0:19:28 | |
to her as a daughter of the late Dr Barnett Saltzberg. | 0:19:28 | 0:19:33 | |
So the fact it had used the words "a daughter" said that, | 0:19:33 | 0:19:37 | |
clearly, there was more than one. | 0:19:37 | 0:19:39 | |
So I knew I was looking for at least one sister that Minnie may have had. | 0:19:39 | 0:19:43 | |
Spurred on by new information, Saul dug deeper. | 0:19:43 | 0:19:47 | |
One of my final options, | 0:19:47 | 0:19:49 | |
in trying to find anything about the Saltzberg family, was to post | 0:19:49 | 0:19:53 | |
notice on an online discussion group for Jewish genealogy, | 0:19:53 | 0:19:57 | |
just to see if anybody out there had ever heard of Dr Barnett Saltzberg. | 0:19:57 | 0:20:01 | |
But with no response, Saul moved on to the paternal side of the family. | 0:20:01 | 0:20:07 | |
Records proved that Basil's | 0:20:07 | 0:20:09 | |
paternal grandparents were | 0:20:09 | 0:20:11 | |
Morris Goldstein and Katie Powak. | 0:20:11 | 0:20:14 | |
They had six children, including | 0:20:14 | 0:20:16 | |
Isaac, Basil's father. | 0:20:16 | 0:20:17 | |
Sadly, three children died in infancy, | 0:20:19 | 0:20:21 | |
leaving two potential heirs. | 0:20:21 | 0:20:23 | |
The 1911 census returned for the Goldstein family | 0:20:23 | 0:20:26 | |
showed that Isaac, Basil's father, | 0:20:26 | 0:20:29 | |
had two brothers who were still alive. | 0:20:29 | 0:20:31 | |
They were Barnett and Sam. | 0:20:31 | 0:20:33 | |
But further searching threw up death certificates for both men, | 0:20:33 | 0:20:36 | |
which established they had died as bachelors too. | 0:20:36 | 0:20:39 | |
It really was very frustrating to feel that this was one we were just | 0:20:39 | 0:20:41 | |
going to have to resign ourselves | 0:20:41 | 0:20:43 | |
to the fact that we were not going to solve. | 0:20:43 | 0:20:45 | |
The case gathered dust for a further four years. | 0:20:45 | 0:20:48 | |
Until, out of nowhere, Saul received a message from California. | 0:20:50 | 0:20:54 | |
One day in the summer of 2013, I got an e-mail in my inbox, | 0:20:54 | 0:20:59 | |
out of the blue, from a gentleman who actually said | 0:20:59 | 0:21:03 | |
he was the great-grandson of Dr Barnett Saltzberg. | 0:21:03 | 0:21:06 | |
He had seen my post, my shot in the dark, | 0:21:06 | 0:21:10 | |
online, and he thought he might be able to help me. | 0:21:10 | 0:21:14 | |
And I was just thrilled. | 0:21:14 | 0:21:16 | |
After all these years, could they | 0:21:17 | 0:21:19 | |
have finally solved the mystery of Basil Goldston? | 0:21:19 | 0:21:22 | |
This is the e-mail that I got from the gentleman in California. | 0:21:22 | 0:21:25 | |
And he says, "Barnett Saltzberg | 0:21:25 | 0:21:28 | |
"was my great-grandfather. | 0:21:28 | 0:21:29 | |
"I do know about his wife and other children. | 0:21:29 | 0:21:31 | |
"Perhaps you would like to discuss this further? Best regards." | 0:21:31 | 0:21:34 | |
I mean, after four years of nothing, | 0:21:34 | 0:21:37 | |
and having closed the case, just to | 0:21:37 | 0:21:41 | |
pick this out of the blue, it makes your hair stand up, to be honest. | 0:21:41 | 0:21:44 | |
Could this e-mail give Saul the missing links needed to | 0:21:44 | 0:21:47 | |
pick up the case once more? | 0:21:47 | 0:21:49 | |
The gentleman in California was able to actually give us | 0:21:50 | 0:21:53 | |
names of his cousins who were descended from Janie Saltzberg, | 0:21:53 | 0:21:58 | |
who was the Leeds branch of the family. | 0:21:58 | 0:22:01 | |
And that enabled us, then, to start contacting the heirs. | 0:22:01 | 0:22:04 | |
From the descendants of Basil's four aunts and uncles, the hunt | 0:22:04 | 0:22:08 | |
had now revealed seven heirs, including Colin Stone, in Leeds. | 0:22:08 | 0:22:12 | |
I knew of Basil Goldston, but I didn't know much about him | 0:22:13 | 0:22:18 | |
and I'd never met him. | 0:22:18 | 0:22:19 | |
Knowing about the Jewish side of the family, | 0:22:19 | 0:22:22 | |
I believe is very, very important. | 0:22:22 | 0:22:24 | |
It's a very interesting family story | 0:22:24 | 0:22:27 | |
that is clouded in shadows. | 0:22:27 | 0:22:30 | |
So, to actually understand what happened in the past, | 0:22:30 | 0:22:33 | |
and understanding that will help to understand where we are now. | 0:22:33 | 0:22:37 | |
And being contacted by Saul was just | 0:22:37 | 0:22:40 | |
the beginning of Colin's discoveries. | 0:22:40 | 0:22:42 | |
Every year in Britain, thousands of people get a surprise | 0:22:48 | 0:22:52 | |
knock on the door from the heir hunters... | 0:22:52 | 0:22:54 | |
You tend to sort of think to yourself, | 0:22:54 | 0:22:56 | |
"Well, I'm not sure if this is real or not." | 0:22:56 | 0:22:58 | |
So it was quite a surprise. | 0:22:58 | 0:23:00 | |
..but there are still thousands of unsolved cases | 0:23:00 | 0:23:03 | |
where heirs need to be found. | 0:23:03 | 0:23:05 | |
Could you be one of them? | 0:23:05 | 0:23:07 | |
Today, we've got details of two estates on the Treasury Solicitors' | 0:23:08 | 0:23:11 | |
Bona Vacantia list that are yet to be claimed. | 0:23:11 | 0:23:14 | |
The first is Leaford George Barrett, | 0:23:16 | 0:23:19 | |
who died a widower on 24th February 2013, | 0:23:19 | 0:23:23 | |
in Hackney, London. | 0:23:23 | 0:23:24 | |
Leaford was born in Pedro Saint Ann, Jamaica, | 0:23:26 | 0:23:29 | |
on 18th June 1924. | 0:23:29 | 0:23:31 | |
His mother was called Josephine. | 0:23:31 | 0:23:33 | |
Barrett is a common surname in Jamaica, but also in south-east | 0:23:36 | 0:23:41 | |
and south-west England. So where does George's name stem from? | 0:23:41 | 0:23:46 | |
Do you have any clues which might help solve this mystery? | 0:23:46 | 0:23:49 | |
The second case is of Frederich Beck, | 0:23:57 | 0:23:59 | |
who died, aged 90, on 3rd December 2009, | 0:23:59 | 0:24:03 | |
in Lockwood, Huddersfield. | 0:24:03 | 0:24:06 | |
Frederich was born in Germany but may have been Russian. | 0:24:07 | 0:24:11 | |
Records suggest that Frederich's father was a farmer called Peter. | 0:24:11 | 0:24:16 | |
The surname Beck is incredibly common in Germany. | 0:24:16 | 0:24:20 | |
What was Frederich doing in Huddersfield? | 0:24:20 | 0:24:22 | |
Did he come to England via Germany after World War II? | 0:24:22 | 0:24:25 | |
If you think you may be related to either of these people, | 0:24:28 | 0:24:31 | |
you would need to make a claim on their estate | 0:24:31 | 0:24:33 | |
via the Government Legal Department. | 0:24:33 | 0:24:35 | |
Someone wishing to submit | 0:24:37 | 0:24:38 | |
a claim to us will need to supply us | 0:24:38 | 0:24:40 | |
with documentary evidence to support | 0:24:40 | 0:24:41 | |
that claim. | 0:24:41 | 0:24:43 | |
That would usually be birth, marriage and death certificates. | 0:24:43 | 0:24:47 | |
Do you know anything that could help solve the cases of | 0:24:47 | 0:24:51 | |
Leaford George Barrett and Frederich Beck? | 0:24:51 | 0:24:54 | |
Perhaps you could be the next of kin? | 0:24:54 | 0:24:56 | |
If so, you could have thousands of pounds coming your way. | 0:24:56 | 0:25:00 | |
In London, time is running out for heir hunters Finders, | 0:25:09 | 0:25:12 | |
who are still trying to find any heirs | 0:25:12 | 0:25:14 | |
to the estate of Hedley Henry Arnold. | 0:25:14 | 0:25:17 | |
I can't find anything for either of them. | 0:25:17 | 0:25:19 | |
Loved and respected by his local community, | 0:25:19 | 0:25:22 | |
Hedley Arnold passed away on 20th July 2015. | 0:25:22 | 0:25:26 | |
I think I would summarise | 0:25:26 | 0:25:27 | |
him in three words - | 0:25:27 | 0:25:30 | |
a perfect gentleman. | 0:25:30 | 0:25:32 | |
PHONE RINGS | 0:25:32 | 0:25:35 | |
Without a will, | 0:25:35 | 0:25:36 | |
the team are looking for relatives to pass his estate onto. | 0:25:36 | 0:25:39 | |
But competition is fierce, | 0:25:39 | 0:25:41 | |
as this was the only estate on the Bona Vacantia list today. | 0:25:41 | 0:25:44 | |
Amy cannot find any living descendants of Hilda Woolfries, | 0:25:46 | 0:25:49 | |
a cousin of Hedley's, who married an army officer in the 1930s. | 0:25:49 | 0:25:53 | |
Military families are quite common | 0:25:53 | 0:25:55 | |
and back and forth between India, | 0:25:55 | 0:25:56 | |
especially the timeframe that we are looking at, yeah. | 0:25:56 | 0:25:59 | |
So it's not unusual. It just makes the research more difficult, | 0:25:59 | 0:26:02 | |
and a little bit more time-consuming. | 0:26:02 | 0:26:04 | |
While Amy digs deeper, Ryan is tracing another | 0:26:06 | 0:26:09 | |
aunt of Hedley's to see if she had any children. | 0:26:09 | 0:26:12 | |
The line of Rose Meech is | 0:26:12 | 0:26:15 | |
on the maternal side of the family, | 0:26:15 | 0:26:18 | |
so she would have been a maternal aunt of the deceased. | 0:26:18 | 0:26:21 | |
She married Charles George Butler in 1905. | 0:26:21 | 0:26:24 | |
By 1911, she'd had two children. | 0:26:24 | 0:26:27 | |
Beyond 1911, she had two more. | 0:26:27 | 0:26:29 | |
Initial research is hopeful. | 0:26:30 | 0:26:32 | |
I've just found a marriage for one of Rose's daughters, | 0:26:34 | 0:26:37 | |
Margaret Louise, or Louisa, Butler. She married William Blandamer, | 0:26:37 | 0:26:41 | |
so I'm hoping there may be some children to that marriage | 0:26:41 | 0:26:44 | |
and, fingers crossed, the beneficiary. | 0:26:44 | 0:26:47 | |
But Ryan's hunt leads nowhere. | 0:26:47 | 0:26:49 | |
Ryan has finished his outstanding maternal stem. | 0:26:50 | 0:26:54 | |
The stem of Rose Meech. | 0:26:54 | 0:26:57 | |
It turned into surname Butler, which is quite common. | 0:26:59 | 0:27:02 | |
It's more difficult to work with | 0:27:02 | 0:27:04 | |
but he found four possible children. | 0:27:04 | 0:27:07 | |
It's looking as though they've all passed away without having | 0:27:07 | 0:27:11 | |
children, even if they've married. | 0:27:11 | 0:27:13 | |
But what he's going to do is, he's going to order up | 0:27:13 | 0:27:16 | |
a couple of the death records for them, just to make sure. | 0:27:16 | 0:27:20 | |
It appears as though the case may die out. | 0:27:21 | 0:27:25 | |
There may be no living beneficiaries but | 0:27:25 | 0:27:28 | |
you kind of always hope that you might be able to unravel it | 0:27:28 | 0:27:31 | |
and maybe stay ahead of the competition and find the one, | 0:27:31 | 0:27:33 | |
or two, or three heirs that there may be. | 0:27:33 | 0:27:35 | |
While they wait for the certificates, | 0:27:39 | 0:27:41 | |
Ryan and Amy join forces to try and crack the only remaining clue, | 0:27:41 | 0:27:45 | |
the elusive children of Hilda and Emile. | 0:27:45 | 0:27:48 | |
When we're researching a family tree, | 0:27:48 | 0:27:50 | |
in particular, when it's a competitive case, | 0:27:50 | 0:27:53 | |
we may come to a point where we're stuck on a particular section. | 0:27:53 | 0:27:57 | |
We maybe can't marry bits of information together, or we can't | 0:27:57 | 0:27:59 | |
locate someone that we're looking for, | 0:27:59 | 0:28:01 | |
it's often worthwhile to then move on to another | 0:28:01 | 0:28:04 | |
part of the family which we can make inroads into, | 0:28:04 | 0:28:08 | |
than focus too much time and energy on to a bit where we're stuck. | 0:28:08 | 0:28:11 | |
And finally, Amy has a breakthrough with one of | 0:28:11 | 0:28:15 | |
Hilda and Emile's daughters. | 0:28:15 | 0:28:18 | |
I think I may have found Jean. | 0:28:18 | 0:28:20 | |
She would be a maternal cousin once removed. | 0:28:20 | 0:28:24 | |
So I'm going to try a number that's coming up for her. | 0:28:24 | 0:28:27 | |
Hello, I wonder if you can help me. | 0:28:36 | 0:28:38 | |
We trace family trees in connection with inheritance matters | 0:28:38 | 0:28:43 | |
and I'm currently working on an Arnold family tree. | 0:28:43 | 0:28:46 | |
Although Amy has found Jean, it's not over yet | 0:28:48 | 0:28:50 | |
because the team need to find all of the living heirs | 0:28:50 | 0:28:53 | |
and it's bad news regarding Jean's sisters. | 0:28:53 | 0:28:57 | |
Thank you, bye-bye. | 0:28:57 | 0:28:59 | |
She's not in touch with either of her sisters. | 0:28:59 | 0:29:02 | |
Last she knew of them, they were alive, but she's not sure. | 0:29:02 | 0:29:05 | |
And when Amy does manage to find one of Jean's sisters through | 0:29:12 | 0:29:15 | |
the electoral roll... | 0:29:15 | 0:29:16 | |
Hello, could I speak to Mrs June Shinn, please? | 0:29:16 | 0:29:20 | |
Hello, Mrs Shinn. I wonder if you can help me. | 0:29:20 | 0:29:24 | |
..it's a disappointing conversation. | 0:29:24 | 0:29:26 | |
Do you remember their names? | 0:29:26 | 0:29:30 | |
No? OK. | 0:29:30 | 0:29:31 | |
I just found June, the youngest sister. I called her. | 0:29:31 | 0:29:35 | |
It seems as though she has been contacted by another company. | 0:29:35 | 0:29:38 | |
So, it's as competitive as we thought. | 0:29:38 | 0:29:41 | |
And to up the stakes even more, Ryan has discovered there | 0:29:41 | 0:29:45 | |
may now be living heirs on Rose Meech's line after all. | 0:29:45 | 0:29:48 | |
We're a firm of heir hunters and | 0:29:48 | 0:29:50 | |
we're actually looking into the Butler family tree. | 0:29:50 | 0:29:54 | |
You've come up as a possible member of the family we're looking into | 0:29:54 | 0:29:58 | |
and I wondered whether you could kindly give me a call back. | 0:29:58 | 0:30:01 | |
And the research we're currently doing into an Arnold family tree | 0:30:01 | 0:30:05 | |
has picked yourself up as a possible beneficiary. | 0:30:05 | 0:30:08 | |
If you recognise those as your parents, please do give me a | 0:30:08 | 0:30:11 | |
call back and we can go into some further detail. | 0:30:11 | 0:30:14 | |
It's up to the team on the road now to pull in the victory. | 0:30:14 | 0:30:19 | |
If the heirs don't sign up, all the hard work has been for nothing. | 0:30:19 | 0:30:24 | |
Hi, Stuart. It's Amy. | 0:30:25 | 0:30:28 | |
Oh, wow! Oh, OK. | 0:30:28 | 0:30:29 | |
I thought you meant that they signed first. Which one is this? | 0:30:29 | 0:30:34 | |
OK. | 0:30:34 | 0:30:36 | |
This was Jean, was it? | 0:30:36 | 0:30:38 | |
And now we're going to sister June. | 0:30:38 | 0:30:41 | |
Oh, perfect. | 0:30:42 | 0:30:45 | |
That is, that's great. | 0:30:45 | 0:30:47 | |
Thanks, Stuart. OK, bye. | 0:30:47 | 0:30:50 | |
We signed Jean | 0:30:52 | 0:30:54 | |
and she has signed our paperwork. | 0:30:54 | 0:30:57 | |
When he got there, | 0:30:57 | 0:30:59 | |
there were reps from two other competitors there. | 0:30:59 | 0:31:03 | |
But they chose us and sent the others away. | 0:31:03 | 0:31:07 | |
Yeah, that's a great result. | 0:31:07 | 0:31:08 | |
For something that was so competitive, | 0:31:08 | 0:31:12 | |
right up until the end there, | 0:31:12 | 0:31:14 | |
with all three of us having reps there, it's great. | 0:31:14 | 0:31:18 | |
It shows that Stuart came across really well. | 0:31:18 | 0:31:21 | |
And me, obviously, when I spoke to her earlier. | 0:31:21 | 0:31:24 | |
A few days later, Stuart revisits Jean Cook | 0:31:25 | 0:31:29 | |
to make sure they've found all potential heirs. | 0:31:29 | 0:31:31 | |
It ascertains that we've actually got all the siblings | 0:31:31 | 0:31:36 | |
and we've got all the relations. | 0:31:36 | 0:31:38 | |
There are actually beneficiaries, sometimes we might miss one. | 0:31:38 | 0:31:43 | |
-Hello, Richard. Nice to see you again. Lovely to see you. -All right? | 0:31:43 | 0:31:47 | |
-Very fine, yeah, how are you? -Pretty well, thank you. | 0:31:47 | 0:31:49 | |
How's Jean? So, you recognise the names on the family tree, Jean? | 0:31:49 | 0:31:53 | |
-There's you, there. -And my sister and middle sister. | 0:31:54 | 0:31:58 | |
-Middle sister. -And June, yes. -And June that I've met. That's Hedley. | 0:31:58 | 0:32:03 | |
Deceased, you knew. | 0:32:03 | 0:32:05 | |
Yes, I knew him. | 0:32:05 | 0:32:06 | |
Then we all used to come over when my dad was away. | 0:32:06 | 0:32:09 | |
-My dad was in the army. -Yes. | 0:32:09 | 0:32:11 | |
-And he was living in India most of the time. -What, your dad? | 0:32:11 | 0:32:14 | |
-Well, yes, because he was in the army. -Oh. -And he used to come back, | 0:32:14 | 0:32:18 | |
and he only got six months' leave every couple of years. | 0:32:18 | 0:32:22 | |
And we'd come over then to see. | 0:32:22 | 0:32:24 | |
That's why I don't know much about these people. | 0:32:24 | 0:32:26 | |
-You might see them, then, when you came home. -I might see them but... | 0:32:26 | 0:32:30 | |
-Were you born in India then? -No, I wasn't, but one sister was. | 0:32:30 | 0:32:36 | |
-June was, wasn't she? -June was born in India. | 0:32:36 | 0:32:38 | |
And when did you come back to here then, do you think? | 0:32:38 | 0:32:42 | |
-1947... -1947... -..wasn't it? | 0:32:42 | 0:32:43 | |
-..when India got their independence. -Oh, yeah. | 0:32:43 | 0:32:46 | |
Bye, Jean. Bye, Richard. | 0:32:50 | 0:32:52 | |
Bye, bye, bye. | 0:32:52 | 0:32:54 | |
Everything's sort of dovetailed into place | 0:32:54 | 0:32:57 | |
and the office will be more than pleased that we've got | 0:32:57 | 0:33:01 | |
everything sorted out on the beneficiary side. | 0:33:01 | 0:33:04 | |
But as the heir hunters do one last check, | 0:33:10 | 0:33:13 | |
it seems the battle is not totally won. | 0:33:13 | 0:33:16 | |
The good news for us is that we managed to trace the three | 0:33:18 | 0:33:22 | |
daughters of Hilda Elizabeth Woolfries. | 0:33:22 | 0:33:24 | |
They all signed paperwork with the same terms of that | 0:33:24 | 0:33:27 | |
section of the family tree, a really good result. | 0:33:27 | 0:33:30 | |
But the team didn't make it to the other beneficiaries | 0:33:30 | 0:33:33 | |
on both the maternal and paternal side in time. | 0:33:33 | 0:33:36 | |
It is the nature of the business that numerous companies | 0:33:36 | 0:33:39 | |
work on these type of cases, and that's the way it goes. | 0:33:39 | 0:33:42 | |
Heir hunting firm Celtic spent over six years | 0:33:53 | 0:33:56 | |
searching for heirs to the estate of Basil Goldston, | 0:33:56 | 0:33:59 | |
a computer programmer, whose Jewish parents had fled Russia to | 0:33:59 | 0:34:02 | |
escape persecution at the turn of the century. | 0:34:02 | 0:34:05 | |
I've been advised to speak to you. | 0:34:05 | 0:34:08 | |
Unbelievably, when an online message was answered four years after | 0:34:08 | 0:34:12 | |
it had been posted, a door was finally opened to seven heirs, | 0:34:12 | 0:34:17 | |
including Colin Stone. | 0:34:17 | 0:34:18 | |
It's my heritage, | 0:34:18 | 0:34:19 | |
and something I would love to know more about and find out about. | 0:34:19 | 0:34:23 | |
Colin knew little about his family history | 0:34:23 | 0:34:26 | |
but he had been close to his grandmother, Basil's aunt Janie. | 0:34:26 | 0:34:30 | |
My grandmother spoke English with a very interesting accent. | 0:34:30 | 0:34:34 | |
She was also... | 0:34:34 | 0:34:35 | |
My grandmother was a Yiddish speaker | 0:34:35 | 0:34:37 | |
and so my grandparents and my parents spoke Yiddish | 0:34:37 | 0:34:41 | |
when they were together. | 0:34:41 | 0:34:42 | |
So I've still got and I still use her chopper for chopping herring | 0:34:42 | 0:34:48 | |
and chopping liver. | 0:34:48 | 0:34:49 | |
And I still make the chopped liver how my grandmother used to make it. | 0:34:49 | 0:34:53 | |
And I have her jam pan that comes out every year | 0:34:53 | 0:34:56 | |
when the weather's good. And I've got a crop, | 0:34:56 | 0:34:58 | |
and use it to make jam just like my grandmother did. | 0:34:58 | 0:35:01 | |
And it's a great connection to the past. | 0:35:01 | 0:35:04 | |
And solving this case has already shed some interesting | 0:35:04 | 0:35:07 | |
light onto Colin's own background. | 0:35:07 | 0:35:10 | |
I think there could be some further research that could be done. | 0:35:10 | 0:35:14 | |
Surprisingly, looking at the family tree, | 0:35:14 | 0:35:17 | |
we have a lot of doctors and health professionals | 0:35:17 | 0:35:20 | |
and although I am not actively working in that role, | 0:35:20 | 0:35:24 | |
I work - via the charity we run - | 0:35:24 | 0:35:27 | |
helping families through health | 0:35:27 | 0:35:30 | |
conditions, rare genetic disorder. | 0:35:30 | 0:35:33 | |
It's as if I was destined to do that. | 0:35:33 | 0:35:36 | |
Which, when I found that out, it's a case of, wow! | 0:35:36 | 0:35:40 | |
So today, Colin is meeting Saul to find out | 0:35:40 | 0:35:43 | |
more about what the team have uncovered. | 0:35:43 | 0:35:47 | |
You are down here, and your brother, of course. | 0:35:47 | 0:35:52 | |
So this is your late mother, Dorothy, | 0:35:52 | 0:35:55 | |
and your grandmother, Janie. | 0:35:55 | 0:35:58 | |
And you can see, these are Janie's brothers and sisters, | 0:35:58 | 0:36:00 | |
the Saltzbergs, and this is Minnie, who was Basil's mother. | 0:36:00 | 0:36:06 | |
I know that it was actually after my great-grandmother | 0:36:06 | 0:36:09 | |
passed away in childbirth, that's what promoted | 0:36:09 | 0:36:12 | |
Benzion to up and leave sticks | 0:36:12 | 0:36:14 | |
because he always wanted to be a doctor. | 0:36:14 | 0:36:16 | |
-Ah. -So, it was his wife's death that inspired him to leave... | 0:36:16 | 0:36:21 | |
at the time. And he wanted to study medicine | 0:36:21 | 0:36:25 | |
and help people that were in the same situation that he was. | 0:36:25 | 0:36:28 | |
Oh, I see. I didn't realise that was all connected. | 0:36:28 | 0:36:30 | |
Fantastic. Well, that's a very noble thing to do. | 0:36:30 | 0:36:34 | |
-I'm looking for my grandma. -Up here. She went to Wolseley | 0:36:34 | 0:36:38 | |
in South Africa in 1919, for two years. | 0:36:38 | 0:36:40 | |
Well, she was sent to South Africa by the English family that she | 0:36:40 | 0:36:44 | |
came to stay with because they didn't approve of the man | 0:36:44 | 0:36:48 | |
-she fell in love with... -Abraham. | 0:36:48 | 0:36:50 | |
..which was my grandfather, yeah. And she got, | 0:36:50 | 0:36:53 | |
while she was in South Africa, she got enteric fever. | 0:36:53 | 0:36:56 | |
She recovered from that and decided to come back and | 0:36:56 | 0:36:59 | |
-they met and had a very long and happy marriage. -Aw, wonderful. | 0:36:59 | 0:37:03 | |
A proper love story then. | 0:37:03 | 0:37:05 | |
She wasn't going to be parted from her love. | 0:37:05 | 0:37:07 | |
No. I've inherited tailoring from my grandfather | 0:37:07 | 0:37:09 | |
-because I used to be a tailor. -Ah, right, OK. | 0:37:09 | 0:37:12 | |
OK, my ancestors were also tailors. | 0:37:12 | 0:37:13 | |
Cos my grandfather taught me tailoring as a wee, small boy. | 0:37:13 | 0:37:16 | |
Oh, fantastic. | 0:37:16 | 0:37:18 | |
It's fascinating to see how all the family links together and | 0:37:18 | 0:37:23 | |
sort of names that you've heard and family that you've never met... | 0:37:23 | 0:37:26 | |
-Yeah. -..but know about. | 0:37:26 | 0:37:28 | |
And Saul also has some letters written by Colin's | 0:37:28 | 0:37:31 | |
great-grandfather, Barnett, | 0:37:31 | 0:37:33 | |
which provide an amazing insight into Colin's family. | 0:37:33 | 0:37:37 | |
-Very fine writing. -Yes. | 0:37:37 | 0:37:40 | |
It's amazing to think that English wasn't his first language. | 0:37:40 | 0:37:44 | |
Was he a Yiddish speaker? | 0:37:44 | 0:37:45 | |
Yeah. He sounds like an incredible guy. I'd have loved to have met him. | 0:37:45 | 0:37:48 | |
But these letters aren't just a nostalgic relic from the past. | 0:37:48 | 0:37:52 | |
Part of our work is tracing the families but it's a whole | 0:37:52 | 0:37:55 | |
different ballgame to actually try and prove the claim. | 0:37:55 | 0:37:57 | |
In this case, obviously, | 0:37:57 | 0:37:59 | |
we didn't have any marriage certificates | 0:37:59 | 0:38:01 | |
to prove the connection. | 0:38:01 | 0:38:02 | |
Thankfully, what we were able to do is, | 0:38:02 | 0:38:05 | |
we used some of Barnett Saltzberg's letters. | 0:38:05 | 0:38:08 | |
They were wonderfully atmospherical letters | 0:38:08 | 0:38:10 | |
and he's written this on January 1st, 1914, | 0:38:10 | 0:38:14 | |
but he actually talks about, "My dear son, Abraham." | 0:38:14 | 0:38:17 | |
So that obviously shows that... | 0:38:17 | 0:38:19 | |
It's proof there that Abraham is his son. | 0:38:19 | 0:38:21 | |
He signs it, "Your father, Barnett." | 0:38:21 | 0:38:23 | |
He talks about, "Your sister, Minnie," you know, so... | 0:38:23 | 0:38:27 | |
"My dear son, Nathan," | 0:38:27 | 0:38:29 | |
so he's really, he's providing the proof for us, | 0:38:29 | 0:38:33 | |
essentially later, that we can then use. | 0:38:33 | 0:38:37 | |
And in the course of their research to prove the case to the | 0:38:37 | 0:38:40 | |
Government Legal Department, | 0:38:40 | 0:38:42 | |
the Celtic team uncovered a family secret about Basil's uncle Nathan. | 0:38:42 | 0:38:46 | |
-Our Baltic agent came up with a police report... -Wow! | 0:38:48 | 0:38:53 | |
..in Russian, which showed that Nathan had got into some trouble | 0:38:53 | 0:38:57 | |
with the law, politically. | 0:38:57 | 0:38:58 | |
It's fascinating to, actually, | 0:38:58 | 0:39:00 | |
to look at this | 0:39:00 | 0:39:01 | |
and see what was going on in that | 0:39:01 | 0:39:04 | |
time in the politics of that region. | 0:39:04 | 0:39:07 | |
And obviously, your ancestors were | 0:39:07 | 0:39:10 | |
caught up in that. | 0:39:10 | 0:39:11 | |
Stunned by the dramatic revelation that his great-uncle had been | 0:39:12 | 0:39:16 | |
arrested over 100 years ago, | 0:39:16 | 0:39:19 | |
Colin is keen to find out more | 0:39:19 | 0:39:22 | |
and is on his way to Lancaster University | 0:39:22 | 0:39:24 | |
to meet Russian expert, Professor Michael Hughes. | 0:39:24 | 0:39:27 | |
Very pleased to meet you. Please sit down. | 0:39:27 | 0:39:30 | |
What we have here, Colin, is a copy in Russian of a police file | 0:39:30 | 0:39:36 | |
and it's about the arrest of, I think, your great-uncle Nathan | 0:39:36 | 0:39:41 | |
for attending a revolutionary meeting in a wood on the outskirts | 0:39:41 | 0:39:45 | |
of Vilnius, in modern-day Lithuania. | 0:39:45 | 0:39:48 | |
And what the file tells us is that | 0:39:48 | 0:39:51 | |
he was attending a meeting in what is called the Bund. | 0:39:51 | 0:39:54 | |
The Bund was a radical Jewish Socialist organisation | 0:39:54 | 0:39:59 | |
which was formed in 1897. | 0:39:59 | 0:40:01 | |
And for a few years, was probably the most important | 0:40:01 | 0:40:04 | |
socialist organisation in Russia. | 0:40:04 | 0:40:07 | |
Of course, with the pogroms that took place | 0:40:07 | 0:40:10 | |
after the 1905 revolution, | 0:40:10 | 0:40:12 | |
that actually triggered a big response among a lot | 0:40:12 | 0:40:16 | |
of the Jewish communities and the Bund in particular became | 0:40:16 | 0:40:19 | |
interested in what it called self-defence. | 0:40:19 | 0:40:21 | |
So, originally, when it was set up, | 0:40:21 | 0:40:24 | |
the Bund was really a kind of Marxist workers' party. | 0:40:24 | 0:40:28 | |
But after 1905, the Bund became much more concerned | 0:40:28 | 0:40:32 | |
with protecting Russian Jews who continued to be persecuted. | 0:40:32 | 0:40:35 | |
It is actually quite interesting that we are saying with these... | 0:40:35 | 0:40:39 | |
with the socialist party, | 0:40:39 | 0:40:41 | |
and it sort of explains how my grandmother, Janie, | 0:40:41 | 0:40:46 | |
was attracted to my grandfather who, in England, | 0:40:46 | 0:40:49 | |
was a communist, socialist. | 0:40:49 | 0:40:51 | |
What I think is very striking is that your great-uncle was clearly | 0:40:51 | 0:40:55 | |
involved in an organisation and interested in ideas. | 0:40:55 | 0:40:59 | |
That was seen as subversive. | 0:40:59 | 0:41:01 | |
What we do know, and we don't know a huge amount from the files, | 0:41:01 | 0:41:05 | |
is that he's taken away after that meeting, he's interviewed, and he's | 0:41:05 | 0:41:10 | |
then put under something that the Russians call preventative measures. | 0:41:10 | 0:41:15 | |
I think he was probably seen as someone you had to keep an eye on. | 0:41:15 | 0:41:19 | |
It is fascinating. | 0:41:19 | 0:41:20 | |
I never met Abe and Nathan | 0:41:20 | 0:41:23 | |
but it is a fascinating story to think that all those years ago, | 0:41:23 | 0:41:27 | |
they were so active in changing, trying to change people's lives. | 0:41:27 | 0:41:31 | |
-But it must initially have been terrifying for him. -I bet it was. | 0:41:31 | 0:41:34 | |
And among the various revolutionary groups, their kind of nightmare | 0:41:34 | 0:41:37 | |
was being arrested by the secret police. | 0:41:37 | 0:41:40 | |
What actually comes out of it that is quite fascinating | 0:41:40 | 0:41:44 | |
is how our family all believe in social justice and socialism. | 0:41:44 | 0:41:48 | |
So we've inherited that without even knowing him, so that seems to | 0:41:48 | 0:41:53 | |
have been the story of the family down the lines, caring for others. | 0:41:53 | 0:41:57 | |
The Russian police file played a crucial role in proving this | 0:41:59 | 0:42:02 | |
case to the Government Legal Department | 0:42:02 | 0:42:04 | |
and finally distributing Basil's estate to his relatives. | 0:42:04 | 0:42:08 | |
But for Colin, it's been an unbelievable journey into his | 0:42:08 | 0:42:12 | |
own past and the triumphant rescue of a story nearly lost for ever. | 0:42:12 | 0:42:17 | |
Money's not been important at all | 0:42:17 | 0:42:19 | |
and for that reason when we inherited the money, | 0:42:19 | 0:42:22 | |
we donated it to the charity that my wife and I founded | 0:42:22 | 0:42:25 | |
because that's more important to us. | 0:42:25 | 0:42:27 | |
What has been important is finding out who our family have been. | 0:42:27 | 0:42:31 | |
Heir hunting, or people who are genealogists, | 0:42:33 | 0:42:37 | |
are often people who like enigmas, | 0:42:37 | 0:42:40 | |
who like to resolve unsolved puzzles. | 0:42:40 | 0:42:43 | |
So our job is really to crack safe open. | 0:42:43 | 0:42:45 | |
We have a very small family anyway, so to know something | 0:42:47 | 0:42:50 | |
about the history is... | 0:42:50 | 0:42:52 | |
brings a lot of things together. | 0:42:52 | 0:42:56 |