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-Today... -Do you want to find parents? | 0:00:02 | 0:00:03 | |
I'll try and find marriage information. | 0:00:03 | 0:00:05 | |
..heir hunters race to find family | 0:00:05 | 0:00:07 | |
on one of their most valuable cases ever. | 0:00:07 | 0:00:10 | |
It's going to be a highly competitive case, | 0:00:10 | 0:00:12 | |
with a large family tree to be looking into. | 0:00:12 | 0:00:15 | |
It's going to be a lot of work. | 0:00:15 | 0:00:17 | |
Heirs receive potentially life-changing sums of cash. | 0:00:17 | 0:00:21 | |
To find that you're part of an inheritance is quite a shock. | 0:00:21 | 0:00:25 | |
And the bravery of unsung heroes in wartime Britain is discovered. | 0:00:26 | 0:00:30 | |
The men up in the front line | 0:00:30 | 0:00:32 | |
were doing a dangerous job in a dangerous place. | 0:00:32 | 0:00:34 | |
In London, heir-hunting firm Finders have been working | 0:00:46 | 0:00:49 | |
on a new case worth hundreds of thousands of pounds | 0:00:49 | 0:00:52 | |
from the government's Bona Vacantia list. | 0:00:52 | 0:00:54 | |
There was quite a high value to the estate. | 0:00:54 | 0:00:57 | |
Could you just give them a call just to confirm? | 0:00:57 | 0:00:59 | |
A property in London, sort of the Holy Grail of cases, | 0:00:59 | 0:01:04 | |
you've always got a lot of competition on these ones. | 0:01:04 | 0:01:07 | |
We've got to make sure that we work really quickly, really accurately. | 0:01:07 | 0:01:11 | |
-Could you just give us one and let me know? -Yeah, sure. -Thanks. | 0:01:11 | 0:01:14 | |
When we picked up on the case, we didn't look at the surname | 0:01:14 | 0:01:16 | |
and think it would pose us many problems. | 0:01:16 | 0:01:18 | |
But Ryan soon learnt he was being overconfident. | 0:01:18 | 0:01:22 | |
We were left scratching our heads | 0:01:22 | 0:01:24 | |
because we couldn't find any record of them. | 0:01:24 | 0:01:26 | |
The estate was that of Barbara Lillian Irene Kirk, | 0:01:27 | 0:01:31 | |
who was born in 1929 and passed away in London in June 2015. | 0:01:31 | 0:01:37 | |
She lived in Hampstead Garden Suburb, an area she loved, | 0:01:37 | 0:01:41 | |
having lived there for over two decades. | 0:01:41 | 0:01:43 | |
I understand Barbara Kirk was here for over 20 years. | 0:01:43 | 0:01:48 | |
To live in Hampstead Garden Suburb is regarded by most of the people | 0:01:48 | 0:01:51 | |
who live here as something special. | 0:01:51 | 0:01:54 | |
People do tend to stop and have a chat. | 0:01:54 | 0:01:57 | |
It is a friendlier area | 0:01:57 | 0:02:00 | |
than most, I think, in London. | 0:02:00 | 0:02:02 | |
So, from that point of view, it's a good place to live. | 0:02:02 | 0:02:05 | |
Barbara also worked as a pathologist | 0:02:05 | 0:02:08 | |
at a Central London hospital for over 40 years. | 0:02:08 | 0:02:11 | |
She would have had a wide range of roles, | 0:02:11 | 0:02:13 | |
helping in the diagnosis and maintenance of the patient. | 0:02:13 | 0:02:16 | |
Barbara is likely to have started her job at the very foundation | 0:02:17 | 0:02:21 | |
of the NHS in 1948, | 0:02:21 | 0:02:23 | |
where openings for women in the workplace were expanding rapidly. | 0:02:23 | 0:02:28 | |
This was not somebody who just went in as a young girl | 0:02:28 | 0:02:31 | |
and sort of stayed doing the same job. | 0:02:31 | 0:02:33 | |
MLSOs - medical laboratory scientific officers - | 0:02:33 | 0:02:36 | |
began to have a career progression. | 0:02:36 | 0:02:38 | |
There would have been training courses. | 0:02:38 | 0:02:41 | |
Barbara appears to have taken hold of these new opportunities | 0:02:41 | 0:02:44 | |
with both hands, | 0:02:44 | 0:02:46 | |
but it would have taken a certain type of character | 0:02:46 | 0:02:48 | |
to perform her crucial work. | 0:02:48 | 0:02:50 | |
Well, I think you have to be methodical | 0:02:50 | 0:02:52 | |
because it's really important. | 0:02:52 | 0:02:53 | |
People's lives depend on getting the right blood, for example, | 0:02:53 | 0:02:56 | |
in a blood transfusion. | 0:02:56 | 0:02:57 | |
Barbara played a vital role in patient care in the NHS, | 0:02:59 | 0:03:02 | |
but she appeared to have passed away without a will | 0:03:02 | 0:03:05 | |
or any close relatives. | 0:03:05 | 0:03:06 | |
Do you mind just pulling this up? | 0:03:07 | 0:03:09 | |
Case manager Holly Jones was tasked with finding her heirs. | 0:03:09 | 0:03:14 | |
It appears that she wasn't married, | 0:03:14 | 0:03:16 | |
so we'll probably be looking for a wider family. | 0:03:16 | 0:03:19 | |
It's not going to be a close kin tree. | 0:03:19 | 0:03:21 | |
A large family tree to be looking into. | 0:03:21 | 0:03:23 | |
It's going to be a lot of work. | 0:03:23 | 0:03:25 | |
Cheers. Thanks a lot. Bye-bye. | 0:03:26 | 0:03:29 | |
The area Barbara lived in meant her case was a priority. | 0:03:29 | 0:03:33 | |
So we valued Barbara's estate at roughly £800,000. | 0:03:34 | 0:03:38 | |
Quite a large estate. | 0:03:38 | 0:03:40 | |
This is definitely up with some of the larger ones that we work on. | 0:03:40 | 0:03:43 | |
With such a large amount of money at stake, | 0:03:43 | 0:03:45 | |
the team sent a travelling representative out | 0:03:45 | 0:03:48 | |
to uncover what they could about Barbara's life from her local area. | 0:03:48 | 0:03:52 | |
Neighbours often know a lot more about the deceased. | 0:03:52 | 0:03:57 | |
Peter George is a seasoned travelling rep | 0:03:57 | 0:03:59 | |
and knows how valuable his work can be to the office. | 0:03:59 | 0:04:02 | |
You'd never get to know that merely by looking at a computer screen. | 0:04:02 | 0:04:06 | |
So it's important to try and speak to as many neighbours as you can. | 0:04:06 | 0:04:12 | |
I like being out on the road. | 0:04:12 | 0:04:14 | |
You know, I've never been based in an office anywhere. | 0:04:14 | 0:04:17 | |
And I enjoy meeting the public, talking to people | 0:04:17 | 0:04:20 | |
and making enquires. That's what this job's all about. | 0:04:20 | 0:04:23 | |
Peter doesn't seem to have much luck. | 0:04:33 | 0:04:36 | |
Often, people are very suspicious of cold callers. | 0:04:39 | 0:04:43 | |
But people are right to be suspicious | 0:04:45 | 0:04:48 | |
cos there are a lot of people out there to...to con people. | 0:04:48 | 0:04:51 | |
Obviously, that's not what we're about. | 0:04:53 | 0:04:55 | |
We are genuine and we're merely trying to trace relatives | 0:04:55 | 0:04:58 | |
that can inherit from the estate. | 0:04:58 | 0:05:01 | |
Having gleaned no helpful information about Barbara's family, | 0:05:01 | 0:05:04 | |
the pressure is on the office team to unlock the case themselves. | 0:05:04 | 0:05:08 | |
Having established she never married or had children, | 0:05:08 | 0:05:11 | |
the first step is to find Barbara's parents | 0:05:11 | 0:05:14 | |
to see if she had any brothers and sisters. | 0:05:14 | 0:05:16 | |
And to do this, they need Barbara's birth record. | 0:05:16 | 0:05:19 | |
Kirk isn't a particularly unusual name, | 0:05:19 | 0:05:22 | |
which has plusses and minuses for us. | 0:05:22 | 0:05:25 | |
If you're working with a really common name such as Jones or Smith, | 0:05:25 | 0:05:29 | |
obviously, it can make your research work much more difficult - | 0:05:29 | 0:05:33 | |
you have to go through many more records. | 0:05:33 | 0:05:36 | |
Kirk falls somewhere in the middle of that, I suppose. | 0:05:36 | 0:05:40 | |
In this instance, Barbara had two middle names - | 0:05:40 | 0:05:43 | |
Irene and Lillian - | 0:05:43 | 0:05:45 | |
so that was helpful in narrowing down our Kirk searches. | 0:05:45 | 0:05:49 | |
Some surnames are going to be harder to work, | 0:05:51 | 0:05:54 | |
you would imagine, from the outset. | 0:05:54 | 0:05:56 | |
It depends, often, on the combination of forenames | 0:05:56 | 0:05:59 | |
and whether dates of birth, etc, are easy to identify and confirm. | 0:05:59 | 0:06:03 | |
When we search for Barbara Kirks being born in 1929 | 0:06:03 | 0:06:07 | |
in England and Wales, there are about seven results. | 0:06:07 | 0:06:12 | |
However, there's only one with middle initials I and L. | 0:06:12 | 0:06:16 | |
Hello. | 0:06:16 | 0:06:18 | |
Hi. | 0:06:18 | 0:06:19 | |
When Barbara's birth certificate does come through, | 0:06:19 | 0:06:22 | |
the team are hoping | 0:06:22 | 0:06:23 | |
it will kick-start the search for her parents. | 0:06:23 | 0:06:27 | |
From Barbara's birth certificate, | 0:06:27 | 0:06:29 | |
we can also see her mother's name - Helen Kirk. | 0:06:29 | 0:06:33 | |
It has her profession as a housemaid or a nursemaid. | 0:06:33 | 0:06:38 | |
Thanks so much, Jean. Cheers. Bye-bye. | 0:06:38 | 0:06:40 | |
But there's something missing. | 0:06:41 | 0:06:43 | |
Barbara's birth certificate didn't have any father entered on it, | 0:06:43 | 0:06:48 | |
and she was illegitimate. | 0:06:48 | 0:06:50 | |
It changes the way that we would do our research | 0:06:50 | 0:06:53 | |
compared to if she were born within a marriage. | 0:06:53 | 0:06:56 | |
Typically, when a person is born out of wedlock, | 0:06:56 | 0:06:58 | |
there'd be no father's name on the birth certificate. | 0:06:58 | 0:07:01 | |
So you then have to consider that the mother, | 0:07:01 | 0:07:05 | |
single at the time of birth, | 0:07:05 | 0:07:07 | |
may then have married and had further children. | 0:07:07 | 0:07:10 | |
With only one side of the family able to be researched, | 0:07:10 | 0:07:13 | |
the office team face an uphill struggle. | 0:07:13 | 0:07:16 | |
They concentrate their efforts to see if Barbara's mother, Helen, | 0:07:16 | 0:07:19 | |
had any more children. | 0:07:19 | 0:07:21 | |
We knew from research of the marriage indexes | 0:07:21 | 0:07:24 | |
that Helen never married, | 0:07:24 | 0:07:25 | |
therefore there wouldn't be any half-blood siblings to Barbara, | 0:07:25 | 0:07:29 | |
who were born in wedlock. | 0:07:29 | 0:07:31 | |
Once we'd established that Barbara was an only child, | 0:07:31 | 0:07:35 | |
we then needed to go back a generation and focus on | 0:07:35 | 0:07:39 | |
any brothers and sisters that her mother might have had. | 0:07:39 | 0:07:43 | |
To do that, we can look at the census. | 0:07:43 | 0:07:46 | |
Census records are a great resource tool for us | 0:07:46 | 0:07:49 | |
when we're doing the research into the family trees | 0:07:49 | 0:07:51 | |
because it's a snapshot of the family. | 0:07:51 | 0:07:53 | |
They do capture the family at ten-year intervals, | 0:07:53 | 0:07:56 | |
so very useful but very important. | 0:07:56 | 0:07:58 | |
There is potentially a few children there. | 0:07:58 | 0:08:01 | |
Potentially. I really don't think... | 0:08:01 | 0:08:04 | |
Once located, Barbara's family's listing contained a surprise. | 0:08:04 | 0:08:08 | |
It appeared her family were from Beverley in Yorkshire. | 0:08:08 | 0:08:12 | |
Here we have Helen's parents as well as her brothers and sister, | 0:08:12 | 0:08:17 | |
so we have an instant family tree. | 0:08:17 | 0:08:19 | |
The records showed Barbara's grandparents - | 0:08:19 | 0:08:22 | |
Robert Kirk and Mary Smith - | 0:08:22 | 0:08:23 | |
had four children other than Barbara's mother, Helen. | 0:08:23 | 0:08:26 | |
So there were aunts and uncles whose children, | 0:08:26 | 0:08:29 | |
if found, could be heirs. | 0:08:29 | 0:08:30 | |
But when the team received Robert and Mary's death certificates, | 0:08:30 | 0:08:34 | |
they could see that fate had taken a terrible toll on the family. | 0:08:34 | 0:08:37 | |
We actually found out that tragedy struck the family in 1903 | 0:08:37 | 0:08:41 | |
with Robert passing away, | 0:08:41 | 0:08:43 | |
followed by his wife the year afterwards, | 0:08:43 | 0:08:46 | |
due to complications with tuberculosis, | 0:08:46 | 0:08:49 | |
and that left Helen and her brothers and sisters as orphans. | 0:08:49 | 0:08:53 | |
Tuberculosis was one of the most infectious diseases | 0:08:56 | 0:09:00 | |
which had reached epidemic proportions across the UK | 0:09:00 | 0:09:03 | |
at the beginning of the 20th century. | 0:09:03 | 0:09:05 | |
Well, the symptoms of TB are, first of all, persistent cough. | 0:09:05 | 0:09:09 | |
A cough that perhaps lasts for three or more weeks. | 0:09:09 | 0:09:12 | |
Sometimes, people cough up blood. | 0:09:12 | 0:09:14 | |
The disease is also known as consumption. | 0:09:14 | 0:09:17 | |
And it does, it consumes the body. | 0:09:17 | 0:09:19 | |
So you lose weight, often have night-time sweats, | 0:09:19 | 0:09:22 | |
and literally just waste away. | 0:09:22 | 0:09:24 | |
Barbara's grandparents, Robert and Mary, would have known | 0:09:26 | 0:09:29 | |
tuberculosis was almost certainly a death sentence. | 0:09:29 | 0:09:32 | |
There was very, very little that could be done for TB | 0:09:32 | 0:09:35 | |
at the beginning of the 20th century. | 0:09:35 | 0:09:37 | |
There were some surgical procedures for TB, | 0:09:38 | 0:09:42 | |
but in terms of a medicine, preventative, nothing very much. | 0:09:42 | 0:09:47 | |
Robert was the sole breadwinner for the family | 0:09:47 | 0:09:49 | |
as a poorly paid stone breaker, | 0:09:49 | 0:09:51 | |
so they would have struggled to afford effective treatment. | 0:09:51 | 0:09:55 | |
You might not even have a doctor, you might not have a regular doctor | 0:09:55 | 0:09:59 | |
because it was expensive. | 0:09:59 | 0:10:01 | |
What most people would do, would probably go to the chemists | 0:10:01 | 0:10:04 | |
and get a tonic of some kind. | 0:10:04 | 0:10:06 | |
So things like cod liver oil | 0:10:06 | 0:10:08 | |
or beef and iron tea were very popular at that period | 0:10:08 | 0:10:12 | |
because there was not very much rational medicine for anything, | 0:10:12 | 0:10:15 | |
let alone TB. | 0:10:15 | 0:10:17 | |
If you couldn't afford to take the time off work | 0:10:17 | 0:10:20 | |
and to go into a hospital or a sanatorium, | 0:10:20 | 0:10:23 | |
then what option did you have? | 0:10:23 | 0:10:25 | |
There was very little in the way of sick pay or anything like that | 0:10:25 | 0:10:28 | |
in the working conditions for most people, | 0:10:28 | 0:10:31 | |
so most people would have had to carry on. | 0:10:31 | 0:10:33 | |
And sadly, Barbara's grandparents' circumstances meant one person | 0:10:34 | 0:10:38 | |
with tuberculosis was a disaster for all of them. | 0:10:38 | 0:10:41 | |
They were all crowded together, so the infectious agent, | 0:10:41 | 0:10:46 | |
which is spread by...in the air, | 0:10:46 | 0:10:49 | |
was passed very easily from member to member. | 0:10:49 | 0:10:51 | |
So, yes, quite common for whole families to be infected. | 0:10:51 | 0:10:55 | |
With Robert and Mary dying within a year of each other, | 0:10:55 | 0:10:59 | |
their children were orphaned in a time | 0:10:59 | 0:11:00 | |
before the welfare state existed to help those in dire straits. | 0:11:00 | 0:11:04 | |
Given that four of the youngest Kirk children were very young | 0:11:10 | 0:11:13 | |
when their parents passed away, | 0:11:13 | 0:11:15 | |
and this meant that they were orphaned | 0:11:15 | 0:11:17 | |
prior to reaching the age of 15, | 0:11:17 | 0:11:19 | |
in retrospect, it looked as though their futures | 0:11:19 | 0:11:22 | |
would be very challenging from that point. | 0:11:22 | 0:11:25 | |
But as the team were to discover, | 0:11:25 | 0:11:27 | |
for two of the orphaned Kirk children - | 0:11:27 | 0:11:29 | |
Barbara's uncles Robert and Leonard - | 0:11:29 | 0:11:32 | |
life was about to take a very surprising turn. | 0:11:32 | 0:11:35 | |
I think, for the boys going out, | 0:11:35 | 0:11:36 | |
it would have been a big adventure when they got on board the ship. | 0:11:36 | 0:11:39 | |
Sometimes, cases the heir hunters work | 0:11:46 | 0:11:48 | |
can reveal unsung heroes hidden in family trees, | 0:11:48 | 0:11:52 | |
with stories that cross continents and decades. | 0:11:52 | 0:11:55 | |
One such case was that of Philip Charles Horseman. | 0:11:58 | 0:12:02 | |
He was born on the 25th January, 1940 | 0:12:02 | 0:12:05 | |
in Islington in North London, | 0:12:05 | 0:12:07 | |
and spent much of his life living in Kent. | 0:12:07 | 0:12:09 | |
I would say he was a friendly sort of a person, you know. | 0:12:13 | 0:12:16 | |
If you happened to be out in the front when he went out, | 0:12:19 | 0:12:22 | |
you know, he'd say hello. | 0:12:22 | 0:12:24 | |
When I did have a chat to him, it was mostly about the garden. | 0:12:26 | 0:12:30 | |
Philip had worked most of his life in the building trade, | 0:12:32 | 0:12:35 | |
and in retirement, he was famous for his love of routine | 0:12:35 | 0:12:38 | |
and enjoyed the company in his local community pub every day. | 0:12:38 | 0:12:42 | |
He used to virtually go to the pub 12 o'clock. | 0:12:42 | 0:12:48 | |
Half-past two to three o'clock, he'd be back. | 0:12:48 | 0:12:52 | |
But one lunchtime, Philip didn't make it to his local. | 0:12:52 | 0:12:56 | |
On the day, I look at my watch and think, | 0:12:56 | 0:12:59 | |
"Hello. Phil's a bit late going round to the pub." You know. | 0:12:59 | 0:13:02 | |
You know, that was it. He was gone. | 0:13:02 | 0:13:04 | |
It is sad. Very, very sad, yes. | 0:13:06 | 0:13:09 | |
Yeah, very, very sad. | 0:13:09 | 0:13:10 | |
Philip passed away at home on 22nd of August, 2014, | 0:13:12 | 0:13:16 | |
without a will or any obvious close family. | 0:13:16 | 0:13:19 | |
His case was picked up in London | 0:13:22 | 0:13:24 | |
by senior assistant case manager Amy Cox. | 0:13:24 | 0:13:27 | |
-Right. -Thanks. -Good luck. | 0:13:27 | 0:13:29 | |
The case of Philip Charles Horseman came to us via a referral. | 0:13:31 | 0:13:36 | |
We receive a number of these throughout the year. | 0:13:36 | 0:13:38 | |
And so while we didn't have an exact value, | 0:13:38 | 0:13:40 | |
we knew that it's likely that there were going to be funds there | 0:13:40 | 0:13:43 | |
to be distributed to beneficiaries. | 0:13:43 | 0:13:45 | |
Amy's team quickly got to work on the case. | 0:13:48 | 0:13:51 | |
Thank you so much for letting me know. Thanks. Bye. | 0:13:51 | 0:13:53 | |
First of all, the most important thing to do | 0:13:55 | 0:13:57 | |
was to check whether or not | 0:13:57 | 0:13:58 | |
Philip Charles Horseman was ever married. | 0:13:58 | 0:14:01 | |
So we're typing in "Philip Charles Horseman." | 0:14:01 | 0:14:05 | |
We know that his date of birth was the 25th of January, 1940. | 0:14:05 | 0:14:10 | |
We're able to see that Philip never married, | 0:14:10 | 0:14:15 | |
and then you can assume that he never had any children. | 0:14:15 | 0:14:19 | |
-Right. Shall we find out parents, first of all? -Yeah. | 0:14:19 | 0:14:22 | |
And then try and find a marriage for them. | 0:14:22 | 0:14:24 | |
Do you want to find parents and I'll try and find marriage information? | 0:14:24 | 0:14:27 | |
Yeah, that's fine. | 0:14:27 | 0:14:28 | |
Having established that Philip definitely had no close family, | 0:14:28 | 0:14:32 | |
Amy needed to expand the search. | 0:14:32 | 0:14:34 | |
Using his death certificate, we could find a birth entry for him. | 0:14:35 | 0:14:39 | |
His birth entry gave us his father's surname | 0:14:39 | 0:14:41 | |
and also his mother's maiden name. | 0:14:41 | 0:14:44 | |
These are absolutely crucial information that you need | 0:14:44 | 0:14:46 | |
in order to get the case off the ground. | 0:14:46 | 0:14:49 | |
Philip's father was Thomas Charles Horseman, | 0:14:50 | 0:14:54 | |
and he married Ellen Hayes on the 21st of January, 1939. | 0:14:54 | 0:14:59 | |
With the details from the parents' marriage and their forenames, | 0:14:59 | 0:15:02 | |
we were able to search to see if there were any further children. | 0:15:02 | 0:15:05 | |
When we did the search, it turned out that Philip was an only child. | 0:15:05 | 0:15:09 | |
This meant the team would have to find Philip's grandparents | 0:15:09 | 0:15:13 | |
on both sides of his family | 0:15:13 | 0:15:14 | |
to locate any aunts and uncles, or their children, | 0:15:14 | 0:15:17 | |
who could be potential heirs. | 0:15:17 | 0:15:19 | |
Starting with the paternal side of the family, | 0:15:19 | 0:15:22 | |
the deceased's father was a Thomas Charles Horseman. | 0:15:22 | 0:15:25 | |
He was born on the 6th of February, 1905. | 0:15:25 | 0:15:29 | |
His parents are a Frank Horseman and a Ruth Carbis. | 0:15:29 | 0:15:32 | |
And on Thomas's birth certificate, | 0:15:32 | 0:15:35 | |
his father, Frank, is listed as a coal miner. | 0:15:35 | 0:15:37 | |
But when we started doing our research online, | 0:15:37 | 0:15:40 | |
we came across a photo of Frank and it looks as though, | 0:15:40 | 0:15:44 | |
at one point, he had quite a different career. | 0:15:44 | 0:15:47 | |
Records showed that Philip's paternal grandfather, Frank, | 0:15:47 | 0:15:50 | |
was a private in the Royal Army Medical Corps | 0:15:50 | 0:15:52 | |
during World War I, | 0:15:52 | 0:15:54 | |
but he appears to have had a deep interest in army medicine | 0:15:54 | 0:15:57 | |
long before war was declared. | 0:15:57 | 0:15:59 | |
Frank Horseman was a really interesting soldier. | 0:16:04 | 0:16:07 | |
His original service number | 0:16:07 | 0:16:08 | |
was number 60. Six, zero. | 0:16:08 | 0:16:10 | |
That's an incredibly low number. | 0:16:10 | 0:16:12 | |
And what that says to me | 0:16:12 | 0:16:13 | |
is that Frank was probably in the volunteer force before 1908, | 0:16:13 | 0:16:18 | |
so gave up some time in the evenings and at weekends | 0:16:18 | 0:16:21 | |
to learn those skills. | 0:16:21 | 0:16:23 | |
The Royal Army Medical Corps was formed in 1898, | 0:16:23 | 0:16:27 | |
and all its members were highly skilled. | 0:16:27 | 0:16:30 | |
They were incredibly well trained, | 0:16:30 | 0:16:31 | |
and that went right from the top with their officers, | 0:16:31 | 0:16:34 | |
who were trained as doctors and surgeons - | 0:16:34 | 0:16:36 | |
and very often had been those roles in peacetime - | 0:16:36 | 0:16:38 | |
right the way down to the stretcher bearers who, again, | 0:16:38 | 0:16:41 | |
were capable of stopping the bleeding, doing basic first aid, | 0:16:41 | 0:16:44 | |
to actually get the men off the battlefield in one piece | 0:16:44 | 0:16:47 | |
and to the hospitals further back. | 0:16:47 | 0:16:49 | |
But while the medically trained soldiers | 0:16:52 | 0:16:54 | |
would have been on the front line facing the enemy, | 0:16:54 | 0:16:57 | |
they would've had no means to defend themselves. | 0:16:57 | 0:16:59 | |
The Royal Army Medical Corps weren't armed. | 0:17:02 | 0:17:04 | |
Specifically, they wore the Red Cross armband, | 0:17:04 | 0:17:06 | |
the Cross of Geneva. | 0:17:06 | 0:17:08 | |
As part of that, they agree not to bear arms. | 0:17:08 | 0:17:10 | |
So the job of the infantrymen around them was to protect them | 0:17:10 | 0:17:12 | |
while they went onto battlefields | 0:17:12 | 0:17:14 | |
and get the wounded from the battlefield | 0:17:14 | 0:17:16 | |
and evacuate them as quickly as they could. | 0:17:16 | 0:17:18 | |
A lot of Royal Army Medical Corps personnel were killed or wounded | 0:17:22 | 0:17:26 | |
in exactly the same way as the infantry soldiers. | 0:17:26 | 0:17:28 | |
The men up in the front line were doing a dangerous job | 0:17:28 | 0:17:31 | |
in a dangerous place | 0:17:31 | 0:17:32 | |
and suffered exactly the same as everybody else. | 0:17:32 | 0:17:35 | |
But during World War I, | 0:17:36 | 0:17:38 | |
Frank wasn't sent to the trenches and mud of Western France. | 0:17:38 | 0:17:41 | |
He was part of a huge British and Commonwealth army in Egypt | 0:17:41 | 0:17:45 | |
that invaded Palestine in 1916, | 0:17:45 | 0:17:48 | |
then held by the Ottoman Turks, allies of Germany. | 0:17:48 | 0:17:52 | |
The scorching deserts of the Middle East made | 0:17:52 | 0:17:54 | |
Frank's job of helping the injured even tougher. | 0:17:54 | 0:17:57 | |
It was very dry, it was very dusty. | 0:17:57 | 0:17:59 | |
Men wounded on the battlefield would very often lie out | 0:17:59 | 0:18:02 | |
for several days with no water, | 0:18:02 | 0:18:04 | |
and they were very, very dehydrated when they were finally brought in. | 0:18:04 | 0:18:08 | |
The campaign to invade Palestine which Frank was part of | 0:18:10 | 0:18:13 | |
was overshadowed by the mass slaughter of the Western Front. | 0:18:13 | 0:18:17 | |
But it was vitally important to the war effort. | 0:18:17 | 0:18:20 | |
It was one of the most successful campaigns of the entire war. | 0:18:20 | 0:18:24 | |
It was fairly long, drawn out. | 0:18:24 | 0:18:25 | |
They'd been fighting right the way from 1915 onwards. | 0:18:25 | 0:18:29 | |
But the final year of the war, through 1917 and 1918, | 0:18:29 | 0:18:33 | |
saw a lot of advances through the desert. | 0:18:33 | 0:18:35 | |
They were building pipes for water. | 0:18:35 | 0:18:38 | |
They were building railways, roads | 0:18:38 | 0:18:40 | |
to transport this massive army forward, | 0:18:40 | 0:18:42 | |
to take on the Turks. | 0:18:42 | 0:18:43 | |
And in December 1917, | 0:18:43 | 0:18:45 | |
the British Army captured Jerusalem from the Turks, | 0:18:45 | 0:18:48 | |
something which may have been especially significant for Frank. | 0:18:48 | 0:18:52 | |
For a fella who'd spent all of his life in the Valleys, in Wales, | 0:18:52 | 0:18:55 | |
it must have been quite a thing to see. | 0:18:55 | 0:18:57 | |
You know, this is the Holy Land. | 0:18:57 | 0:18:59 | |
It was a big thing to an awful lot of soldiers to actually go places | 0:18:59 | 0:19:02 | |
that they'd just read about. | 0:19:02 | 0:19:04 | |
In 1919, Frank Horseman's war ended and he returned home to his family. | 0:19:04 | 0:19:10 | |
-If you can get the birth certificate ordered, that would be useful. -OK. | 0:19:16 | 0:19:19 | |
Back in the office, Amy had discovered | 0:19:21 | 0:19:23 | |
how many children Frank and Ruth had had together. | 0:19:23 | 0:19:26 | |
With the mother's maiden name, we could do a birth search, | 0:19:28 | 0:19:31 | |
and there were five other births. | 0:19:31 | 0:19:34 | |
After Frank and Ruth had married in August 1902, | 0:19:34 | 0:19:38 | |
they'd had six children. | 0:19:38 | 0:19:39 | |
But Amy discovered another child who almost fitted in with the family, | 0:19:39 | 0:19:43 | |
but who had been born before Frank and Ruth got married. | 0:19:43 | 0:19:47 | |
Ruth Carbis had given birth to a daughter. | 0:19:47 | 0:19:50 | |
And when we got the birth certificate for that daughter, | 0:19:50 | 0:19:53 | |
there's no father listed, | 0:19:53 | 0:19:55 | |
so it would appear that she's illegitimate. | 0:19:55 | 0:19:58 | |
Illegitimate births are notoriously difficult for the heir hunters. | 0:19:58 | 0:20:01 | |
They were uncertain whether to include Edith | 0:20:01 | 0:20:04 | |
as part of the Horseman family, but decided to take a gamble. | 0:20:04 | 0:20:08 | |
Although Edith was born illegitimately, | 0:20:08 | 0:20:10 | |
she was born on the 15th of February, 1902, | 0:20:10 | 0:20:13 | |
which is a good six months before Frank and Ruth actually married. | 0:20:13 | 0:20:17 | |
It's likely that he was her father, | 0:20:17 | 0:20:20 | |
but he would have been left off the birth certificate | 0:20:20 | 0:20:23 | |
because they were unmarried when she was born. | 0:20:23 | 0:20:25 | |
We had to find either that she was thought to be | 0:20:25 | 0:20:29 | |
or known to be included as a family member of equal status | 0:20:29 | 0:20:33 | |
to the other uncles and aunts. | 0:20:33 | 0:20:35 | |
-These two? -Mm-hm. -OK. -Thank you. | 0:20:35 | 0:20:37 | |
Amy and the team looked further into Edith's family history, | 0:20:37 | 0:20:41 | |
and their gamble paid off when they received some vital documents. | 0:20:41 | 0:20:45 | |
We later discovered that Edith was using the maiden name Horseman | 0:20:45 | 0:20:49 | |
when she married David Morgan in 1919. | 0:20:49 | 0:20:53 | |
She also then uses the Horseman surname | 0:20:53 | 0:20:55 | |
on the birth of her three children. | 0:20:55 | 0:20:57 | |
And it also then appears later on her death certificate. | 0:20:57 | 0:21:00 | |
So, for us, that was enough to prove entitlement | 0:21:00 | 0:21:04 | |
and her children and grandchildren were the heirs to that stem. | 0:21:04 | 0:21:08 | |
With Edith's children's entitlement confirmed, | 0:21:09 | 0:21:12 | |
the team had found their first heirs. | 0:21:12 | 0:21:14 | |
But with another five aunts and uncles still to investigate, | 0:21:14 | 0:21:18 | |
the hunt was on to find more. | 0:21:18 | 0:21:20 | |
Thanks, bye. | 0:21:20 | 0:21:22 | |
And in the next generation of the Horsemans, | 0:21:22 | 0:21:24 | |
the heir hunters were to uncover another family member | 0:21:24 | 0:21:27 | |
who'd risked his life to save others. | 0:21:27 | 0:21:29 | |
He would have witnessed some horrendous sights | 0:21:29 | 0:21:32 | |
of badly burned air crew crashing back on airfields | 0:21:32 | 0:21:37 | |
in their fighters. | 0:21:37 | 0:21:38 | |
Every year in Britain, thousands of people | 0:21:45 | 0:21:48 | |
get a surprise knock on the door from the heir hunters. | 0:21:48 | 0:21:51 | |
Good morning. | 0:21:53 | 0:21:54 | |
But there are still thousands of unsolved cases | 0:21:54 | 0:21:57 | |
where heirs need to be found. Could you be one of them? | 0:21:57 | 0:22:00 | |
Today, we've got details of two estates | 0:22:01 | 0:22:03 | |
on the Government Legal Department's Bona Vacantia list | 0:22:03 | 0:22:06 | |
that are yet to be claimed. | 0:22:06 | 0:22:08 | |
The first is Margaret Lee-Ying, | 0:22:09 | 0:22:12 | |
who died on the 25th of March, 2005, | 0:22:12 | 0:22:14 | |
in Eastbourne, East Sussex, | 0:22:14 | 0:22:16 | |
at the age of 76. | 0:22:16 | 0:22:18 | |
She'd travelled thousands of miles in her lifetime, | 0:22:18 | 0:22:21 | |
as Margaret was born on the 26th of January, 1929, in China. | 0:22:21 | 0:22:25 | |
She married in 1955 on the Royal Air Force base Changi | 0:22:25 | 0:22:30 | |
in the Far East, | 0:22:30 | 0:22:32 | |
so it's possible Margaret married a British airman | 0:22:32 | 0:22:34 | |
and moved to the UK with him. | 0:22:34 | 0:22:36 | |
But do you know exactly why Margaret came here? | 0:22:36 | 0:22:38 | |
Does she have family in Britain or is her family still in China? | 0:22:38 | 0:22:42 | |
The next case is that of Alide Kand, | 0:22:44 | 0:22:46 | |
who died on the 9th of May, 1997, | 0:22:46 | 0:22:49 | |
in Leeds, West Yorkshire, aged 89. | 0:22:49 | 0:22:51 | |
Alide was born on the 10th of September, 1907, in Estonia. | 0:22:51 | 0:22:55 | |
Information suggests she worked as a cook on merchant ships | 0:22:55 | 0:22:59 | |
before settling in the UK after World War II. | 0:22:59 | 0:23:02 | |
Do you know anything that could help solve the cases | 0:23:02 | 0:23:04 | |
of Margaret Lee-Ying and Alide Kand? | 0:23:04 | 0:23:07 | |
Perhaps you could be the next of kin. | 0:23:07 | 0:23:10 | |
If so, you could have thousands of pounds coming your way. | 0:23:10 | 0:23:13 | |
It's not many miles away, is it? But it just doesn't fit together. | 0:23:20 | 0:23:23 | |
In London, heir hunters are searching for beneficiaries | 0:23:23 | 0:23:26 | |
to the estate of Barbara Kirk... | 0:23:26 | 0:23:28 | |
It'll be a cold call. Just play it by ear, see how you get on. | 0:23:28 | 0:23:31 | |
..who lived most of her life in the north of the city | 0:23:31 | 0:23:34 | |
until she passed away in 2015. | 0:23:34 | 0:23:37 | |
Richard Wiseman is part of the community in which Barbara lived. | 0:23:38 | 0:23:42 | |
Barbara Kirk lived here for over 20 years. | 0:23:44 | 0:23:47 | |
She would have continued to be familiar with her neighbours | 0:23:47 | 0:23:51 | |
because, on the whole, people don't move much. | 0:23:51 | 0:23:55 | |
Once you're in the suburb, you tend to stay here. | 0:23:55 | 0:23:57 | |
And I think a number of her neighbours | 0:23:57 | 0:24:01 | |
were on the lookout for her well-being. | 0:24:01 | 0:24:03 | |
So, from that point of view, it's a good place to live. | 0:24:03 | 0:24:06 | |
Unfortunately for the heir hunters, | 0:24:07 | 0:24:09 | |
their man on the ground in Barbara's old neighbourhood | 0:24:09 | 0:24:12 | |
hadn't been able to find anyone who could help with their research. | 0:24:12 | 0:24:15 | |
My name's Peter George. | 0:24:15 | 0:24:17 | |
But the heir hunters are having more luck with online records. | 0:24:19 | 0:24:23 | |
-Leave that page up and open a new one. -Yeah. | 0:24:23 | 0:24:25 | |
They discover that both Barbara's grandfather | 0:24:25 | 0:24:27 | |
and grandmother died in their early 40s from tuberculosis, | 0:24:27 | 0:24:31 | |
leaving four of their youngest children to fend for themselves. | 0:24:31 | 0:24:34 | |
Annie was only 13, | 0:24:37 | 0:24:38 | |
her brother Robert was ten, | 0:24:38 | 0:24:40 | |
Leonard was five. | 0:24:40 | 0:24:42 | |
And then Helen, Barbara's mother, | 0:24:42 | 0:24:43 | |
was actually only aged two when she lost her parents. | 0:24:43 | 0:24:47 | |
In reality, the only option available | 0:24:47 | 0:24:49 | |
was for them to be fostered. | 0:24:49 | 0:24:50 | |
But without an effective welfare state to re-home them, | 0:24:53 | 0:24:56 | |
the children could have been abandoned on the streets. | 0:24:56 | 0:24:59 | |
If you were homeless and a young child, | 0:24:59 | 0:25:01 | |
your ability to feed yourself would have been, | 0:25:01 | 0:25:04 | |
you know, almost impossible. | 0:25:04 | 0:25:06 | |
You would've had to beg on the streets. | 0:25:06 | 0:25:08 | |
Life would've been terrible | 0:25:08 | 0:25:10 | |
for a child out on the streets at that time. | 0:25:10 | 0:25:12 | |
But help was at hand, | 0:25:14 | 0:25:16 | |
and records show that the four youngest Kirk children | 0:25:16 | 0:25:19 | |
appeared to have been helped by the Barnardo's charity. | 0:25:19 | 0:25:22 | |
For the Kirk family, coming into Barnardo's would have been, | 0:25:22 | 0:25:25 | |
you know, that would've been the best thing for them, | 0:25:25 | 0:25:28 | |
especially after their parents had died. | 0:25:28 | 0:25:30 | |
They would've been looked after, they would've been well fed, | 0:25:30 | 0:25:32 | |
they would've been educated, they would've had a warm bed | 0:25:32 | 0:25:35 | |
and they were safe. | 0:25:35 | 0:25:37 | |
Dr Thomas Barnardo had set up the charity in 1866. | 0:25:40 | 0:25:45 | |
Barnardo wanted to make sure that children were kept safe | 0:25:45 | 0:25:48 | |
and that they were away from harm. | 0:25:48 | 0:25:50 | |
So by bringing them in, offering them employment, | 0:25:50 | 0:25:53 | |
offering them training, | 0:25:53 | 0:25:54 | |
providing them with a skill so that they could go out, | 0:25:54 | 0:25:57 | |
earn money and support themselves, that was his main goal. | 0:25:57 | 0:26:00 | |
Back in the office, | 0:26:05 | 0:26:06 | |
the team need to find exactly what happened to the Kirk children | 0:26:06 | 0:26:09 | |
after they were taken in by Barnardo's | 0:26:09 | 0:26:12 | |
in order to track down any heirs. | 0:26:12 | 0:26:14 | |
Holly uses the census records to trace their movements | 0:26:15 | 0:26:18 | |
and discovers why Barbara ended up living in the south of England. | 0:26:18 | 0:26:22 | |
From the 1911 census, we can find Barbara's mother, Helen, | 0:26:22 | 0:26:26 | |
living down in Hertfordshire. | 0:26:26 | 0:26:29 | |
It appears that she'd been moved from Yorkshire, | 0:26:29 | 0:26:32 | |
in a foster home, in a Barnardo's children's home. | 0:26:32 | 0:26:35 | |
Previously, if we thought they stayed in Yorkshire, | 0:26:35 | 0:26:38 | |
we might have restricted our searches to that area. | 0:26:38 | 0:26:41 | |
So being able to track their movements | 0:26:41 | 0:26:43 | |
through these later censuses is really important. | 0:26:43 | 0:26:46 | |
But despite working out what became of Barbara's mother, Helen, | 0:26:46 | 0:26:50 | |
the whereabouts of Barbara's uncles, | 0:26:50 | 0:26:52 | |
the two boys - Robert and Leonard - remained a mystery. | 0:26:52 | 0:26:55 | |
We were left scratching our heads | 0:26:55 | 0:26:57 | |
because we couldn't find any record of Robert and Leonard. | 0:26:57 | 0:27:00 | |
We couldn't find them on the 1911 census. But beyond that, | 0:27:00 | 0:27:03 | |
we couldn't locate a marriage which looked likely for either of them. | 0:27:03 | 0:27:07 | |
The death search was proving negative as well. | 0:27:07 | 0:27:10 | |
It could be that they've ended up in another part of the country. | 0:27:11 | 0:27:14 | |
If their surname has changed, | 0:27:14 | 0:27:15 | |
then they would've been almost impossible to find. | 0:27:15 | 0:27:18 | |
But we needed to go through the processes in order to ascertain | 0:27:18 | 0:27:21 | |
whether got married and whether they had children | 0:27:21 | 0:27:23 | |
because, potentially, any children they did have | 0:27:23 | 0:27:26 | |
would be entitled to inherit from Barbara's estate. | 0:27:26 | 0:27:28 | |
With two sources of potential heirs mysteriously disappearing, | 0:27:28 | 0:27:32 | |
the team were stumped, | 0:27:32 | 0:27:34 | |
until they discovered Robert Kirk on shipping records from 1904. | 0:27:34 | 0:27:38 | |
We found out that the reason why he wasn't tuning up | 0:27:38 | 0:27:41 | |
on the 1911 census records here was because he actually went to Canada | 0:27:41 | 0:27:46 | |
with Dr Barnardo's, the children's home, | 0:27:46 | 0:27:49 | |
along with around 200 other children. | 0:27:49 | 0:27:52 | |
In 1907, Robert's brother Leonard also went to Canada with Barnardo's, | 0:27:57 | 0:28:03 | |
but it wasn't a holiday they were being treated to. | 0:28:03 | 0:28:06 | |
The child migration scheme was actually a government initiative | 0:28:06 | 0:28:09 | |
set up by both the British and Canadian government | 0:28:09 | 0:28:12 | |
to basically populate Canada, | 0:28:12 | 0:28:15 | |
which before then was very much a dying society | 0:28:15 | 0:28:18 | |
of old men and railroad workers. | 0:28:18 | 0:28:20 | |
So it was an opportunity for the governments to, one, | 0:28:20 | 0:28:24 | |
provide somewhere for the vast, growing number of children | 0:28:24 | 0:28:27 | |
who were homeless in the UK, | 0:28:27 | 0:28:29 | |
but also give them an opportunity to have a different life. | 0:28:29 | 0:28:33 | |
For Robert and Leonard, it would have been | 0:28:35 | 0:28:37 | |
quite an adventure going to Canada. | 0:28:37 | 0:28:39 | |
They probably would have put their hand up and volunteered to go, | 0:28:39 | 0:28:42 | |
been told a little bit about life in Canada, | 0:28:42 | 0:28:45 | |
about the snow and about the summers | 0:28:45 | 0:28:46 | |
and, you know, life working on a farm. | 0:28:46 | 0:28:49 | |
The migration scheme in Canada ran till 1939, | 0:28:50 | 0:28:54 | |
and 100,000 children were actually sent to Canada, | 0:28:54 | 0:28:57 | |
the vast majority of which went prior to the First World War. | 0:28:57 | 0:29:00 | |
And by the time Britain declared war on Germany in 1914, | 0:29:03 | 0:29:07 | |
Robert and Leonard were 21 and 16. | 0:29:07 | 0:29:10 | |
They both responded to the call to arms from their motherland | 0:29:10 | 0:29:14 | |
and joined Canadian forces | 0:29:14 | 0:29:16 | |
who were sent to the Western Front in France. | 0:29:16 | 0:29:18 | |
But Ryan uncovered a tragic end | 0:29:18 | 0:29:20 | |
to Robert and Leonard's great adventure. | 0:29:20 | 0:29:23 | |
Robert Kirk was actually killed in action in France in 1916, | 0:29:23 | 0:29:27 | |
and his brother Leonard sadly passed away a year later, | 0:29:27 | 0:29:31 | |
but back in Canada, in a military hospital. | 0:29:31 | 0:29:33 | |
Both never married and therefore our research was focused | 0:29:33 | 0:29:36 | |
onto the other lines of the family. | 0:29:36 | 0:29:38 | |
So have you got his address? | 0:29:40 | 0:29:42 | |
With no heirs from Robert and Leonard, | 0:29:42 | 0:29:45 | |
the team were running out of options, | 0:29:45 | 0:29:47 | |
so they focused on their two surviving sisters - | 0:29:47 | 0:29:49 | |
Barbara's aunties, Annie and Ethel. | 0:29:49 | 0:29:51 | |
Helen's sister, Annie Kirk, | 0:29:51 | 0:29:54 | |
actually died in 1910, | 0:29:54 | 0:29:56 | |
unmarried and without children, | 0:29:56 | 0:29:58 | |
and from tuberculosis. | 0:29:58 | 0:30:00 | |
Again, it's quite sad that she didn't have any children of her own | 0:30:00 | 0:30:04 | |
after she came out of Barnardo's. | 0:30:04 | 0:30:07 | |
We were running out of options | 0:30:08 | 0:30:10 | |
if we were going to find any beneficiaries, | 0:30:10 | 0:30:12 | |
so all our hopes were really pinned on the line of Ethel Kirk. | 0:30:12 | 0:30:16 | |
Oh, perfect. | 0:30:17 | 0:30:19 | |
That is... That's great. | 0:30:20 | 0:30:22 | |
And the team were in luck this time. | 0:30:22 | 0:30:24 | |
OK, bye. | 0:30:24 | 0:30:25 | |
Ethel Kirk, Helen's sister, | 0:30:27 | 0:30:29 | |
married in 1904 to a George William Gillyon. | 0:30:29 | 0:30:34 | |
Because they married in 1904, it meant we could look for them | 0:30:34 | 0:30:39 | |
on the 1911 census, and we found them. | 0:30:39 | 0:30:42 | |
They were living together | 0:30:42 | 0:30:44 | |
and they'd already had several children. | 0:30:44 | 0:30:46 | |
Ethel Kirk and George Gillyon had six children, | 0:30:46 | 0:30:49 | |
four of whom survived to adulthood. | 0:30:49 | 0:30:52 | |
And the team were able to track down all of their descendants, | 0:30:52 | 0:30:56 | |
finding a total of 17 heirs to Barbara's estate. | 0:30:56 | 0:30:59 | |
John Maw is the great grandson of Ethel Kirk | 0:31:00 | 0:31:03 | |
and is Barbara's cousin twice removed. | 0:31:03 | 0:31:06 | |
He still lives in the same town of Beverley in Yorkshire, | 0:31:06 | 0:31:09 | |
that Barbara's grandparents lived in at the turn of the 20th century. | 0:31:09 | 0:31:12 | |
It was a knock on the door, | 0:31:12 | 0:31:15 | |
and there was a chap there... | 0:31:15 | 0:31:18 | |
John remembers the moment he found out he would be inheriting | 0:31:18 | 0:31:21 | |
from Barbara Kirk - a name he'd never heard of before. | 0:31:21 | 0:31:25 | |
I basically didn't believe him. | 0:31:25 | 0:31:27 | |
I think my words to him were, "You're joking." | 0:31:27 | 0:31:33 | |
I was gobsmacked. | 0:31:33 | 0:31:35 | |
It wasn't until he gave me some further details | 0:31:35 | 0:31:38 | |
that I realised that he wasn't one of these scammers or what-have-you, | 0:31:38 | 0:31:44 | |
-and I invited him in. -HE CHUCKLES | 0:31:44 | 0:31:47 | |
Once John's surprise subsided, he was left with more questions. | 0:31:47 | 0:31:51 | |
Well, to find that you're part of an inheritance is quite a shock. | 0:31:51 | 0:31:56 | |
The name Barbara Kirk means absolutely nothing to me at all, | 0:31:57 | 0:32:01 | |
and it doesn't mean anything to the family either. | 0:32:01 | 0:32:05 | |
I think when you first find that you've got a relative | 0:32:05 | 0:32:08 | |
who's left something, | 0:32:08 | 0:32:12 | |
it does make you wonder, | 0:32:12 | 0:32:14 | |
what's the story behind that particular person? | 0:32:14 | 0:32:17 | |
But the windfall will also be of some practical use for John. | 0:32:17 | 0:32:21 | |
If I got a reasonable inheritance, | 0:32:21 | 0:32:24 | |
I do need a new roof on my bathroom. | 0:32:24 | 0:32:28 | |
So it will certainly come in handy there | 0:32:28 | 0:32:32 | |
because roofs are not...cheap. | 0:32:32 | 0:32:35 | |
But it's also quite sad that this person has obviously | 0:32:37 | 0:32:42 | |
left...left money and I don't know that person. | 0:32:42 | 0:32:47 | |
For all concerned, it's been a satisfying and interesting case | 0:32:49 | 0:32:52 | |
to be a part of. | 0:32:52 | 0:32:54 | |
As much as there are some things we'll never know about Barbara Kirk, | 0:32:54 | 0:32:57 | |
looking at her family tree, we can build a picture | 0:32:57 | 0:32:59 | |
and really see how she rose through adversity. | 0:32:59 | 0:33:02 | |
She'd lost both her mother and her grandparents at a very young age, | 0:33:02 | 0:33:07 | |
and she didn't seem to let that dampen her spirits. | 0:33:07 | 0:33:11 | |
She went on to have a very successful career, | 0:33:11 | 0:33:14 | |
and this was something that we could see as we developed | 0:33:14 | 0:33:17 | |
the story of the family tree but also on our journey | 0:33:17 | 0:33:20 | |
to find the heirs to Barbara's estate. | 0:33:20 | 0:33:22 | |
And for heir John, | 0:33:22 | 0:33:24 | |
his newly enlarged family tree is a welcome surprise. | 0:33:24 | 0:33:27 | |
We've got a story there that I didn't know existed. | 0:33:27 | 0:33:31 | |
That, to me, is probably as important, | 0:33:31 | 0:33:34 | |
more so, than money. | 0:33:34 | 0:33:37 | |
Philip Charles Horseman passed away at home in Kent in 2014 | 0:33:45 | 0:33:50 | |
without a will or any known next of kin. | 0:33:50 | 0:33:53 | |
Neighbour Edward Jarman used to help Philip look after his property. | 0:33:53 | 0:33:57 | |
Most of the talk we had | 0:33:57 | 0:34:00 | |
was really about the garden, you know, like being a neighbour. | 0:34:00 | 0:34:04 | |
I did go round there with weedkiller | 0:34:04 | 0:34:07 | |
and did cut all the brambles as best I could, you know. | 0:34:07 | 0:34:12 | |
Just go round and just do it, don't worry about it, you know. | 0:34:12 | 0:34:15 | |
And one day, he was gone. | 0:34:17 | 0:34:19 | |
It is sad. Very, very sad, yes. | 0:34:22 | 0:34:25 | |
Yeah, very, very sad. | 0:34:25 | 0:34:27 | |
Heir hunters Amy and Camilla had picked up Philip's case | 0:34:36 | 0:34:39 | |
and found heirs to the estate from his eldest aunt, Edith, | 0:34:39 | 0:34:42 | |
on his father's side. | 0:34:42 | 0:34:44 | |
But the paternal side was quite large | 0:34:44 | 0:34:46 | |
and Amy continued to investigate his five remaining aunts and uncles. | 0:34:46 | 0:34:50 | |
Both William Henry Horseman | 0:34:50 | 0:34:52 | |
and Annie Mary Horseman, they never had any children, | 0:34:52 | 0:34:56 | |
so with regard to those two stems, they've died out. | 0:34:56 | 0:34:59 | |
Laura married twice and she had one child, | 0:34:59 | 0:35:02 | |
but unfortunately, he passed away as an infant. | 0:35:02 | 0:35:05 | |
It looks like the paternal side of Philip's tree | 0:35:05 | 0:35:07 | |
was going to have only a handful of heirs, | 0:35:07 | 0:35:10 | |
despite there being at least six aunts and uncles to look at. | 0:35:10 | 0:35:13 | |
But the final few branches of the family tree were to bear more fruit. | 0:35:13 | 0:35:18 | |
Alice Doreen Horseman, she married a John Morris Howard in 1934, | 0:35:18 | 0:35:22 | |
and they had one child who's a beneficiary. | 0:35:22 | 0:35:25 | |
That left the youngest of Philip's uncles, | 0:35:25 | 0:35:28 | |
Albert Vernon Horseman. | 0:35:28 | 0:35:30 | |
And when the team looked into Uncle Albert, | 0:35:30 | 0:35:32 | |
they discovered something interesting. | 0:35:32 | 0:35:35 | |
On this marriage certificate, | 0:35:35 | 0:35:36 | |
we can see that Albert Vernon Horseman | 0:35:36 | 0:35:38 | |
married Ruby May Boakes in 1945. | 0:35:38 | 0:35:42 | |
It lists that he was in the RAF. | 0:35:42 | 0:35:45 | |
However, it says that he was not a pilot. | 0:35:45 | 0:35:48 | |
Records show that Albert was listed as an ambulance driver | 0:35:49 | 0:35:52 | |
in the RAF in 1945. | 0:35:52 | 0:35:55 | |
But he'd already performed this role in a civilian capacity | 0:35:56 | 0:36:00 | |
earlier in the war, | 0:36:00 | 0:36:01 | |
during one of the most dangerous and destructive periods | 0:36:01 | 0:36:04 | |
of World War II on mainland UK - the London Blitz. | 0:36:04 | 0:36:09 | |
He was later drafted into the RAF | 0:36:09 | 0:36:11 | |
and given a dual role of ambulance driver | 0:36:11 | 0:36:14 | |
and plane mechanic on an airfield in Kent. | 0:36:14 | 0:36:17 | |
Albert would have been frantically busy - | 0:36:17 | 0:36:19 | |
repairing aircraft engines, | 0:36:19 | 0:36:22 | |
maintaining aircraft engines, | 0:36:22 | 0:36:24 | |
keeping the squadrons operational | 0:36:24 | 0:36:26 | |
at a time when Britain really was fighting for its life | 0:36:26 | 0:36:29 | |
against the enemy. | 0:36:29 | 0:36:31 | |
The way it tended to work, if you were on ambulance duty, | 0:36:32 | 0:36:35 | |
was that you would continue | 0:36:35 | 0:36:37 | |
with your normal, day-to-day occupation - | 0:36:37 | 0:36:40 | |
perhaps maintaining aircraft engines - | 0:36:40 | 0:36:42 | |
and if the crash alarm went off on the airfield, | 0:36:42 | 0:36:45 | |
you then dropped everything, | 0:36:45 | 0:36:47 | |
sprinted to your ambulance, jumped in | 0:36:47 | 0:36:49 | |
and got to where the problem was. | 0:36:49 | 0:36:51 | |
Although he was a driver, he would no doubt have had to do | 0:36:56 | 0:37:01 | |
whatever was required of him in order to recover aircrew | 0:37:01 | 0:37:05 | |
from wrecked airplanes, get them to hospital, | 0:37:05 | 0:37:08 | |
look after them on the way. | 0:37:08 | 0:37:10 | |
Working on an airfield would have been no respite | 0:37:10 | 0:37:12 | |
from the horrors Albert would have seen in Central London | 0:37:12 | 0:37:15 | |
during the Blitz. | 0:37:15 | 0:37:17 | |
He would've witnessed some horrendous sights | 0:37:17 | 0:37:19 | |
of badly burned aircrew crashing back on airfields. | 0:37:19 | 0:37:24 | |
It would've been quite a harrowing experience | 0:37:24 | 0:37:27 | |
for anybody involved in the whole medical emergency services | 0:37:27 | 0:37:31 | |
at that time. | 0:37:31 | 0:37:32 | |
Like his father Frank before him, | 0:37:32 | 0:37:35 | |
Albert served on a lesser known, unconventional battlefield. | 0:37:35 | 0:37:38 | |
And he also wasn't trying to kill. | 0:37:38 | 0:37:40 | |
He was trying to help and to heal. | 0:37:40 | 0:37:42 | |
Both as a ground crew and as an ambulance driver, | 0:37:42 | 0:37:46 | |
Albert was one of those unsung heroes of the war effort. | 0:37:46 | 0:37:50 | |
I think Albert's family can be very proud | 0:37:51 | 0:37:53 | |
of what he did in World War II. | 0:37:53 | 0:37:55 | |
He wasn't a fighter pilot or a bomber pilot, | 0:37:55 | 0:37:58 | |
but his role in the RAF was an important one. | 0:37:58 | 0:38:02 | |
He made a real contribution. | 0:38:02 | 0:38:04 | |
Back in the office, Amy's team were busy piecing together | 0:38:11 | 0:38:14 | |
the family Albert Horseman and his wife Ruby Boakes had | 0:38:14 | 0:38:17 | |
after the war to see if they could find any more heirs. | 0:38:17 | 0:38:21 | |
But they had to approach it carefully, | 0:38:21 | 0:38:23 | |
as any potential heirs could have known Philip well, | 0:38:23 | 0:38:26 | |
as they would be his first cousins. | 0:38:26 | 0:38:28 | |
We spoke briefly yesterday... | 0:38:28 | 0:38:30 | |
You can have all the qualifications in the world, | 0:38:30 | 0:38:32 | |
but it doesn't necessarily prepare you | 0:38:32 | 0:38:34 | |
for the situation you could be faced with, | 0:38:34 | 0:38:36 | |
whether that's talking to a relative on the phone, | 0:38:36 | 0:38:38 | |
having to tell someone that someone's passed away | 0:38:38 | 0:38:41 | |
or describing the family relationships | 0:38:41 | 0:38:43 | |
to someone you've never spoken to before in your life. | 0:38:43 | 0:38:45 | |
Thank you. Bye. | 0:38:45 | 0:38:47 | |
The team discovered Albert and Ruby had four children after the war. | 0:38:49 | 0:38:53 | |
Come! | 0:38:53 | 0:38:54 | |
One of them is Stephanie Ives, | 0:38:57 | 0:38:59 | |
who remembers meeting Philip several decades ago. | 0:38:59 | 0:39:02 | |
My one meeting with Philip, I was about 17. | 0:39:02 | 0:39:05 | |
He was, I think, about 35. | 0:39:05 | 0:39:07 | |
He wasn't there initially, | 0:39:07 | 0:39:08 | |
and he came back from work, and we met and we spoke. | 0:39:08 | 0:39:12 | |
He seemed very laid-back, | 0:39:12 | 0:39:13 | |
very sort of...nothing seemed to bother him a great deal. | 0:39:13 | 0:39:16 | |
In fact, his mother and stepfather's nickname for him was Unconscious | 0:39:16 | 0:39:21 | |
because he was just so laid-back and horizontal. | 0:39:21 | 0:39:25 | |
That was the one and only time I ever met him. | 0:39:26 | 0:39:29 | |
Hearing about Philip after so many years | 0:39:29 | 0:39:31 | |
came like a bolt from the blue for Stephanie. | 0:39:31 | 0:39:34 | |
The first contact from the heir hunters | 0:39:34 | 0:39:36 | |
was a knock on the door on a weekday night, about five o'clock. | 0:39:36 | 0:39:39 | |
So we took it from there, really. | 0:39:39 | 0:39:42 | |
It is surreal to find you're, you know, coming into an inheritance | 0:39:42 | 0:39:46 | |
from someone you didn't have a lot of contact with, | 0:39:46 | 0:39:48 | |
even though they're part of the family. | 0:39:48 | 0:39:50 | |
And the experience has reignited her interest in her own close family, | 0:39:50 | 0:39:54 | |
especially her father Albert, | 0:39:54 | 0:39:56 | |
and the memories he shared about his wartime experiences | 0:39:56 | 0:39:59 | |
as an ambulance driver. | 0:39:59 | 0:40:01 | |
I know he saw lots of awful things during the Blitz. | 0:40:01 | 0:40:04 | |
He delivered lots of babies during the Blitz. | 0:40:04 | 0:40:07 | |
And I've still got his scissors that he used | 0:40:07 | 0:40:09 | |
when he was an ambulance driver during the Blitz. | 0:40:09 | 0:40:12 | |
Finding Stephanie and her siblings | 0:40:14 | 0:40:16 | |
had tied up Philip's father's side of the family. | 0:40:16 | 0:40:19 | |
But heir hunters now needed to try and find any surviving heirs | 0:40:19 | 0:40:22 | |
on his mother's side. | 0:40:22 | 0:40:24 | |
The first step was to locate Philip's maternal grandparents | 0:40:24 | 0:40:27 | |
through his mother Ellen. | 0:40:27 | 0:40:29 | |
We looked into Ellen's parents, | 0:40:29 | 0:40:32 | |
who were John Hayes and Catherine Costello. | 0:40:32 | 0:40:35 | |
The team quickly found nine births related to Hayes and Costello. | 0:40:35 | 0:40:39 | |
But as with the paternal side of the tree, | 0:40:39 | 0:40:42 | |
the first child they found was problematic. | 0:40:42 | 0:40:45 | |
The first birth that we could find was actually for | 0:40:45 | 0:40:48 | |
a Mary Catherine Costello, who was born in 1899. | 0:40:48 | 0:40:53 | |
The surname Costello means that she was actually | 0:40:53 | 0:40:55 | |
an illegitimate child of Catherine. | 0:40:55 | 0:40:57 | |
In a strange parallel of Philip's father's side of the family, | 0:40:57 | 0:41:01 | |
his eldest maternal aunt was born out of wedlock, | 0:41:01 | 0:41:05 | |
as had been his eldest paternal aunt. | 0:41:05 | 0:41:07 | |
But there was a crucial difference in the timing of this birth | 0:41:07 | 0:41:10 | |
and marriage of his grandparents. | 0:41:10 | 0:41:13 | |
Rather than a matter of months between the two events, | 0:41:13 | 0:41:16 | |
Mary Costello had been born nearly three years | 0:41:16 | 0:41:18 | |
before her mother Catherine married John Hayes. | 0:41:18 | 0:41:22 | |
In those situations, we might ask other family members | 0:41:22 | 0:41:25 | |
if they remember the person by name, | 0:41:25 | 0:41:27 | |
remember her being included | 0:41:27 | 0:41:29 | |
in the overall family set-up. | 0:41:29 | 0:41:32 | |
And therefore, there may be an argument for including her, | 0:41:32 | 0:41:35 | |
or any of her surviving descendants. | 0:41:35 | 0:41:37 | |
But the records quickly showed that Mary didn't appear to have been | 0:41:37 | 0:41:41 | |
part of the Hayes family. | 0:41:41 | 0:41:43 | |
We also found, on a 1911 census, | 0:41:43 | 0:41:46 | |
that she was no longer living with the Hayes family, | 0:41:46 | 0:41:48 | |
unlike in the 1901 census, where she was living with Catherine. | 0:41:48 | 0:41:52 | |
We had to just conclude that the most that particular person could be | 0:41:52 | 0:41:56 | |
would be a half-blood relative, | 0:41:56 | 0:41:57 | |
and therefore, there would be prior claimants. | 0:41:57 | 0:42:01 | |
The team did find eight births | 0:42:01 | 0:42:03 | |
which came after John and Catherine's marriage in 1902... | 0:42:03 | 0:42:06 | |
OK, will do. Thank you. Thanks, bye. | 0:42:06 | 0:42:09 | |
..and were able to prove they were all correct, | 0:42:12 | 0:42:14 | |
leading to a further 19 heirs to Philip's estate. | 0:42:14 | 0:42:17 | |
The team did a fantastic job in identifying the heirs, | 0:42:17 | 0:42:20 | |
and in total, there were 26 heirs identified | 0:42:20 | 0:42:24 | |
across the maternal and paternal sides of the family. | 0:42:24 | 0:42:27 | |
And for Philip's cousin Stephanie, | 0:42:29 | 0:42:31 | |
it's been an opportunity to think more about her family. | 0:42:31 | 0:42:35 | |
I think any of the family history, I'd be interested in, | 0:42:35 | 0:42:37 | |
simply because I think you get to an age | 0:42:37 | 0:42:39 | |
where you do wonder about other parts of the family | 0:42:39 | 0:42:42 | |
that you just sort of don't deliberately neglect, | 0:42:42 | 0:42:44 | |
but you just sort of imperceptibly drift away from. | 0:42:44 | 0:42:47 | |
And you often wonder what happened to them | 0:42:47 | 0:42:49 | |
and where they are now and what they're doing. | 0:42:49 | 0:42:52 | |
That's probably more interesting | 0:42:52 | 0:42:53 | |
than any small inheritance we might get. | 0:42:53 | 0:42:56 |