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Today, a house in a high-value estate goes under the hammer... | 0:00:03 | 0:00:08 | |
Can I say a million pounds? | 0:00:08 | 0:00:10 | |
..as the search for heirs spirals out of control... | 0:00:10 | 0:00:13 | |
What if they all have eight children? | 0:00:14 | 0:00:16 | |
Then you've got hundreds and hundreds of people. | 0:00:16 | 0:00:19 | |
..whilst a tragic tale... | 0:00:19 | 0:00:21 | |
The fact that he was predeceased | 0:00:21 | 0:00:23 | |
by both his wives and both his sons and his brother. | 0:00:23 | 0:00:27 | |
..uncovers the story of a musical legend. | 0:00:27 | 0:00:30 | |
Brian Epstein offered him the Beatles and he turned them down. | 0:00:30 | 0:00:34 | |
It's all in a day's work for the Heir Hunters. | 0:00:34 | 0:00:37 | |
£24,000. Can I say 24? | 0:00:43 | 0:00:46 | |
Of course I can. | 0:00:46 | 0:00:48 | |
In Central London, Andrew Fraser, from heir hunting firm | 0:00:48 | 0:00:51 | |
Fraser and Fraser, is attending a property auction. | 0:00:51 | 0:00:54 | |
Shall we say 25? Anyone else? | 0:00:54 | 0:00:57 | |
Today, a high-value house, | 0:00:57 | 0:00:58 | |
forming part of the estate of Douglas McMurrich, | 0:00:58 | 0:01:01 | |
is going under the hammer. | 0:01:01 | 0:01:02 | |
Today's another key day in the administration | 0:01:05 | 0:01:08 | |
of Mr McMurrich's estate. | 0:01:08 | 0:01:09 | |
270 here... | 0:01:09 | 0:01:11 | |
To sell the property today at auction would allow the major asset | 0:01:13 | 0:01:17 | |
to be sold and realised into liquid funds. | 0:01:17 | 0:01:19 | |
The property has a guide price in excess of £1 million, | 0:01:22 | 0:01:26 | |
making this an extremely valuable case for the team. | 0:01:26 | 0:01:29 | |
Everybody's nervous | 0:01:32 | 0:01:33 | |
because ultimately we all have quite a lot riding on the outcome. | 0:01:33 | 0:01:37 | |
Douglas McMurrich passed away on 21st December 2015, | 0:01:44 | 0:01:48 | |
having lived in the same house in West London his whole life. | 0:01:48 | 0:01:52 | |
Douglas was a very private man but his neighbour of 30 years, Andrew, | 0:01:54 | 0:01:59 | |
got to know him well. | 0:01:59 | 0:02:00 | |
Most of the conversations that | 0:02:02 | 0:02:06 | |
Douglas and I used to have were, in fact, across this fence. | 0:02:06 | 0:02:10 | |
But that was the character he was. | 0:02:10 | 0:02:12 | |
Once he got to know you a little bit better, | 0:02:12 | 0:02:15 | |
he didn't ignore you and it was a pleasure, actually. | 0:02:15 | 0:02:19 | |
Andrew and Douglas's conversations in passing blossomed | 0:02:19 | 0:02:23 | |
and, over the years, they became firm friends. | 0:02:23 | 0:02:26 | |
My wife and I miss him very much and my sons do as well, | 0:02:27 | 0:02:31 | |
because he was kind of a feature of the street. | 0:02:31 | 0:02:35 | |
Here it is. | 0:02:40 | 0:02:41 | |
Salutation. | 0:02:41 | 0:02:43 | |
Douglas worked as an engineer... | 0:02:43 | 0:02:46 | |
Nearly asleep at the drawing board. | 0:02:46 | 0:02:48 | |
..and is fondly remembered by colleagues David and Mark. | 0:02:48 | 0:02:51 | |
He was a nice bloke. I really got on well with him. | 0:02:54 | 0:02:57 | |
I liked his sense of humour. It was quite cutting, quite cynical. | 0:02:57 | 0:03:01 | |
He got a lot out of the industry and he was keen to put something back. | 0:03:01 | 0:03:05 | |
He trained a few young engineers. | 0:03:05 | 0:03:08 | |
Douglas spent many years working on commercial properties... | 0:03:10 | 0:03:13 | |
Douglas was a public health engineer. | 0:03:14 | 0:03:17 | |
Public health engineer is someone who designs the plumbing. | 0:03:17 | 0:03:21 | |
..and never let his age get the better of him. | 0:03:21 | 0:03:24 | |
And was keen to develop his skills. | 0:03:24 | 0:03:27 | |
He wasn't one of these guys who was stuck in the ways of '50s or '60s... | 0:03:27 | 0:03:32 | |
He was forward thinking, really. | 0:03:32 | 0:03:34 | |
And was a font of knowledge. | 0:03:34 | 0:03:36 | |
But whether Douglas had any surviving family remained a mystery, | 0:03:37 | 0:03:41 | |
as only David, Mark and neighbour Andrew attended his funeral. | 0:03:41 | 0:03:45 | |
Andrew organised the cremation at Malt Lake, | 0:03:47 | 0:03:51 | |
because somebody had to do it, | 0:03:51 | 0:03:53 | |
rather than having someone from the council look after him. | 0:03:53 | 0:03:58 | |
Although they had a good working relationship, | 0:03:58 | 0:04:00 | |
Douglas was guarded about his personal life. | 0:04:00 | 0:04:04 | |
His work life and his home life were very separate. | 0:04:04 | 0:04:08 | |
Yeah. | 0:04:08 | 0:04:10 | |
He didn't like to mix the two. | 0:04:10 | 0:04:13 | |
It was just Douglas and Douglas was by himself. | 0:04:13 | 0:04:17 | |
So far we have signed four people, four of his cousins. | 0:04:20 | 0:04:24 | |
As Douglas didn't leave a will, | 0:04:24 | 0:04:25 | |
the heir hunters got straight to work | 0:04:25 | 0:04:28 | |
and, for case manager Ben Cornish and his team, | 0:04:28 | 0:04:31 | |
the case would prove a tough challenge. | 0:04:31 | 0:04:34 | |
When we're looking into these cases, | 0:04:34 | 0:04:36 | |
we first have to establish when the deceased was born. | 0:04:36 | 0:04:38 | |
He was born in 1930 in Shepherd's Bush in London. | 0:04:38 | 0:04:41 | |
So we conducted a marriage search of the deceased | 0:04:41 | 0:04:44 | |
and there were no records | 0:04:44 | 0:04:45 | |
and, from that, we soon surmised that there were no children. | 0:04:45 | 0:04:49 | |
With no children to inherit Douglas's sizeable estate, | 0:04:50 | 0:04:53 | |
Ben needed to find out if he had any siblings. | 0:04:53 | 0:04:56 | |
We then would look for his parents. | 0:04:57 | 0:05:00 | |
We discovered that they were | 0:05:00 | 0:05:01 | |
Alexander McMurrich and Grace Hawthorn Green. | 0:05:01 | 0:05:05 | |
They married in 1926 in London. From that point, | 0:05:05 | 0:05:07 | |
we would look to see if there were any other children. | 0:05:07 | 0:05:11 | |
OK. Thank you. Bye. | 0:05:11 | 0:05:12 | |
But Ben was about to make a tragic discovery. | 0:05:14 | 0:05:17 | |
There was one other son, a Laurence, born in 1927, | 0:05:17 | 0:05:21 | |
but sadly passed away | 0:05:21 | 0:05:24 | |
from TB in 1933. | 0:05:24 | 0:05:26 | |
Although infant deaths were still common in the 1920s, | 0:05:28 | 0:05:32 | |
Laurence's death would have been a devastating blow for the family. | 0:05:32 | 0:05:35 | |
Even though Douglas was only three when Laurence passed away, | 0:05:38 | 0:05:42 | |
no doubt it must have had a massive impact on his mother and father. | 0:05:42 | 0:05:46 | |
With no close relatives, | 0:05:46 | 0:05:48 | |
Ben now had to extend their search to aunts and uncles, | 0:05:48 | 0:05:51 | |
in the hope of finding cousins who may still be alive | 0:05:51 | 0:05:55 | |
and he recruited the help of research manager Isha Adams. | 0:05:55 | 0:05:59 | |
Here's the McMurrich file | 0:05:59 | 0:06:01 | |
with the certs in if you want to look at that. | 0:06:01 | 0:06:04 | |
Isha began working up the maternal side of the family. | 0:06:05 | 0:06:09 | |
There was a Grace H Green married an Alexander McMurrich. | 0:06:09 | 0:06:13 | |
So we found the marriage, | 0:06:13 | 0:06:16 | |
in 1926 in Hammersmith, | 0:06:16 | 0:06:17 | |
so it was all in the area. | 0:06:17 | 0:06:19 | |
We then found the deaths of parents. | 0:06:19 | 0:06:22 | |
Then we had an age and a round about date of birth. | 0:06:22 | 0:06:25 | |
But Isha soon ran into a problem. | 0:06:25 | 0:06:28 | |
Then we found the mum was born in Fulham | 0:06:28 | 0:06:31 | |
but there was no birth for the dad. | 0:06:31 | 0:06:33 | |
With no record of his father's birth, | 0:06:34 | 0:06:36 | |
the team wouldn't be able to research his side of the family. | 0:06:36 | 0:06:39 | |
Although no records of him had shown up in London, Isha had a plan. | 0:06:41 | 0:06:45 | |
With a name like McMurrich, it doesn't sound very English as such, | 0:06:45 | 0:06:51 | |
so we got our Scottish agent to have a look | 0:06:51 | 0:06:53 | |
and he was actually born in Glasgow. | 0:06:53 | 0:06:55 | |
That's the one. | 0:06:57 | 0:06:59 | |
With the father's side of the family in Glasgow, | 0:06:59 | 0:07:01 | |
this case had now mushroomed | 0:07:01 | 0:07:03 | |
and the team had staff in England and Scotland | 0:07:03 | 0:07:06 | |
working flat-out to find heirs. | 0:07:06 | 0:07:08 | |
But the Scottish side of the research | 0:07:09 | 0:07:11 | |
was to become even more intriguing. | 0:07:11 | 0:07:13 | |
It was going quite well initially. | 0:07:14 | 0:07:17 | |
Only two siblings of the father, of the deceased. | 0:07:17 | 0:07:21 | |
And then the tree just seemed to grow and grow. | 0:07:21 | 0:07:25 | |
Douglas's father had two sisters, | 0:07:25 | 0:07:28 | |
Maggie and Mary, | 0:07:28 | 0:07:29 | |
and whilst Mary had four children, | 0:07:29 | 0:07:31 | |
the stem of Maggie | 0:07:31 | 0:07:33 | |
would turn out to be even larger. | 0:07:33 | 0:07:36 | |
We got on to Maggie | 0:07:36 | 0:07:37 | |
and we know she has an illegitimate daughter with a John Hunter. | 0:07:37 | 0:07:41 | |
There's no marriage, but Margaret Junior is called Margaret Hunter. | 0:07:41 | 0:07:48 | |
So we know that's the mum, that's the dad. | 0:07:48 | 0:07:50 | |
That's one. Maggie did get married to | 0:07:50 | 0:07:53 | |
a John Volance Orr... | 0:07:53 | 0:07:56 | |
..and they had nine children. | 0:07:58 | 0:07:59 | |
Douglas's fast-growing family tree was a worry for the team. | 0:08:01 | 0:08:05 | |
It does send you into a bit of a panic, because you think, | 0:08:06 | 0:08:10 | |
what if they all have eight children? | 0:08:10 | 0:08:12 | |
Then you've got hundreds and hundreds of people | 0:08:12 | 0:08:14 | |
that you've got to look for. | 0:08:14 | 0:08:17 | |
All right. Thank you very much. Thank you. Bye. | 0:08:17 | 0:08:19 | |
The Scottish team now faced a monumental challenge | 0:08:21 | 0:08:24 | |
in their search for Douglas's cousins. | 0:08:24 | 0:08:26 | |
Ben feared the worst. | 0:08:26 | 0:08:28 | |
In any estate, it's a danger of missing beneficiaries. | 0:08:29 | 0:08:33 | |
But especially when you have a high-value case, | 0:08:33 | 0:08:37 | |
because it could be hundreds of thousands of pounds | 0:08:37 | 0:08:40 | |
going in the wrong direction, | 0:08:40 | 0:08:42 | |
so we had to be extra careful on the case of McMurrich. | 0:08:42 | 0:08:44 | |
We had to buy multiple certificates | 0:08:44 | 0:08:47 | |
and we had to make sure we had all records that we can find. | 0:08:47 | 0:08:51 | |
But in the middle of this frantic research, | 0:08:53 | 0:08:55 | |
the team had started to learn more about Douglas, | 0:08:55 | 0:08:57 | |
including the fascinating story of how his parents first met. | 0:08:57 | 0:09:01 | |
So we know that the deceased's father was Alexander McMurrich | 0:09:03 | 0:09:05 | |
and he was born on 22nd July, 1897, in Glasgow. | 0:09:05 | 0:09:09 | |
He came down to London in World War I. | 0:09:09 | 0:09:12 | |
He was a driver in the Army. | 0:09:12 | 0:09:14 | |
And then after the conflict finished, | 0:09:14 | 0:09:16 | |
he got a job in the laundry business. | 0:09:16 | 0:09:19 | |
Alexander took a job with a company called Snowflake Laundry, | 0:09:23 | 0:09:26 | |
where his skills as a driver were suddenly in demand. | 0:09:26 | 0:09:30 | |
Most people who become responsible for | 0:09:30 | 0:09:34 | |
a motorised vehicle in the 1920s, | 0:09:34 | 0:09:36 | |
the chances are they've learnt how to drive | 0:09:36 | 0:09:39 | |
during the First World War. | 0:09:39 | 0:09:41 | |
After decades of horse-drawn vehicles, by the 1920s, | 0:09:41 | 0:09:45 | |
the company had joined the motorised revolution. | 0:09:45 | 0:09:47 | |
Motor vans are becoming cheaper to buy | 0:09:48 | 0:09:51 | |
and they're certainly less trouble to run, | 0:09:51 | 0:09:53 | |
because you haven't got to mess around with a horse. | 0:09:53 | 0:09:56 | |
Alexander's work at the laundry would have involved deliveries | 0:09:59 | 0:10:02 | |
all over London. | 0:10:02 | 0:10:03 | |
He actually was quite proudly going around and showing | 0:10:04 | 0:10:08 | |
what their company was doing with the lettering on the side | 0:10:08 | 0:10:12 | |
and knowing he was a part of business, | 0:10:12 | 0:10:15 | |
a crucial part of the business, | 0:10:15 | 0:10:17 | |
and no doubt felt very proud to be doing it. | 0:10:17 | 0:10:20 | |
For a small laundry business, using a motor vehicle | 0:10:20 | 0:10:23 | |
would have given them an edge over their competitors. | 0:10:23 | 0:10:26 | |
Because the van was faster at getting around, | 0:10:28 | 0:10:30 | |
no doubt it expanded their area of operation. | 0:10:30 | 0:10:34 | |
They were probably delivering to some of the smart hotels | 0:10:34 | 0:10:37 | |
and places like that as well. | 0:10:37 | 0:10:38 | |
So it would have all looked, I think, quite prestigious | 0:10:38 | 0:10:41 | |
and he would have felt and no doubt was quite well placed really. | 0:10:41 | 0:10:45 | |
Snowflake Laundry was owned by Charles Edward Green | 0:10:48 | 0:10:51 | |
and, in the office, the team were about to make a surprise connection. | 0:10:51 | 0:10:56 | |
So when we looked up Douglas's birth, Douglas and McMurrich, | 0:10:56 | 0:11:00 | |
we saw that his mother's maiden name was Green, | 0:11:00 | 0:11:03 | |
and the daughter of Charles Edward Green, a laundry proprietor. | 0:11:03 | 0:11:07 | |
But for the team, | 0:11:08 | 0:11:10 | |
Grace's surname of Green was proving to be the thorn in their side. | 0:11:10 | 0:11:14 | |
Green is a bit tricky to research, | 0:11:14 | 0:11:17 | |
just because it's a very popular surname. | 0:11:17 | 0:11:19 | |
With a big Scottish family on one side and a tricky name on the other, | 0:11:19 | 0:11:24 | |
would the team find heirs | 0:11:24 | 0:11:25 | |
to the £1 million estate of Douglas McMurrich? | 0:11:25 | 0:11:29 | |
The sheer volume of the case | 0:11:29 | 0:11:31 | |
and it's obviously, because it's got a good value, | 0:11:31 | 0:11:35 | |
it's panic, panic, panic! | 0:11:35 | 0:11:37 | |
I'm struggling to find contact details for this guy. | 0:11:46 | 0:11:49 | |
Sometimes when you're working a case, it doesn't happen very often, | 0:11:49 | 0:11:52 | |
but you can come across somebody on your family tree | 0:11:52 | 0:11:55 | |
that is either famous or infamous for whatever reason. | 0:11:55 | 0:11:57 | |
In January 2016, | 0:12:00 | 0:12:03 | |
heir hunting firm Finders in Central London | 0:12:03 | 0:12:05 | |
took on the case of Percival Overbury. | 0:12:05 | 0:12:08 | |
But little did they know the search for his heirs would | 0:12:09 | 0:12:12 | |
reveal the story of a legendary British record producer. | 0:12:12 | 0:12:15 | |
Percival Overbury died in December 2015 | 0:12:21 | 0:12:25 | |
in a nursing home in Stroud in Gloucestershire. | 0:12:25 | 0:12:28 | |
Although there are no known photographs of Percival, | 0:12:29 | 0:12:32 | |
he had spent the majority of his life | 0:12:32 | 0:12:34 | |
living in the tight-knit village of Whitminster, | 0:12:34 | 0:12:37 | |
and was a well known local figure. | 0:12:37 | 0:12:39 | |
I remember him as a kind man. | 0:12:40 | 0:12:42 | |
Always immaculately dressed. | 0:12:44 | 0:12:47 | |
I can never remember seeing him without a collar and tie. | 0:12:47 | 0:12:51 | |
I can never remember seeing him without a suit. | 0:12:51 | 0:12:53 | |
When neighbour Honour Jones was a little girl, | 0:12:56 | 0:12:58 | |
she lived just a stone's throw from Percival's home. | 0:12:58 | 0:13:02 | |
He kept an immaculate house | 0:13:02 | 0:13:04 | |
and I can remember, as a child, going to their house. | 0:13:04 | 0:13:09 | |
The garden was always... | 0:13:09 | 0:13:11 | |
It was beautiful. They had fruit trees. | 0:13:11 | 0:13:15 | |
It was always immaculately kept. | 0:13:15 | 0:13:17 | |
You try and trace them through and speak to them and find out | 0:13:21 | 0:13:24 | |
whether they're related or not. | 0:13:24 | 0:13:26 | |
Percival had owned his own home but hadn't left a will | 0:13:26 | 0:13:30 | |
so his valuable £325,000 estate was advertised by the Treasury, | 0:13:30 | 0:13:36 | |
meaning other heir hunting firms may already be on the case. | 0:13:36 | 0:13:39 | |
So given there was a relatively high value to this estate | 0:13:40 | 0:13:43 | |
and we had picked up on the case | 0:13:43 | 0:13:45 | |
but we didn't know whether there was going to be any competition on it. | 0:13:45 | 0:13:49 | |
The pressure was on for case managers Ryan Gregory and Amy Cox | 0:13:49 | 0:13:52 | |
to find the heirs first. | 0:13:52 | 0:13:54 | |
The case of Percival Overbury came to us from a private referral. | 0:13:59 | 0:14:02 | |
The only things we knew when we were referred the case | 0:14:03 | 0:14:06 | |
were his name, date of death | 0:14:06 | 0:14:08 | |
and that it had recently been passed to the Treasury solicitor. | 0:14:08 | 0:14:12 | |
To save us coming across competition, | 0:14:12 | 0:14:14 | |
we try and work these cases as urgently and as quickly as we can. | 0:14:14 | 0:14:18 | |
Thanks very much for doing the job. | 0:14:18 | 0:14:20 | |
All right. Cheers then. Take care. Bye-bye. | 0:14:20 | 0:14:22 | |
With no time to waste, | 0:14:25 | 0:14:27 | |
the team began by searching for any close relatives... | 0:14:27 | 0:14:29 | |
..and quickly made an important discovery. | 0:14:31 | 0:14:34 | |
We found out quite early on | 0:14:34 | 0:14:37 | |
that Percival Joseph Overbury was married. | 0:14:37 | 0:14:41 | |
Obviously this is important for us because any children of the marriage | 0:14:41 | 0:14:44 | |
would be beneficiaries of his estate. | 0:14:44 | 0:14:46 | |
Likewise if there is a spouse that's surviving him, | 0:14:46 | 0:14:49 | |
they would be entitled to inherit. | 0:14:49 | 0:14:52 | |
But Ryan was unaware he was about to uncover a trail of tragedy. | 0:14:52 | 0:14:57 | |
Now the sad thing is with this family as we're working through it | 0:14:58 | 0:15:01 | |
is that we actually found out | 0:15:01 | 0:15:02 | |
that Percival was not only predeceased by his first wife, | 0:15:02 | 0:15:05 | |
he was predeceased by his second wife as well. | 0:15:05 | 0:15:08 | |
Although Percival and his second wife, Doris, had two children, | 0:15:10 | 0:15:14 | |
Nigel and Nicholas, as Amy started delving a little deeper, | 0:15:14 | 0:15:18 | |
it seems the tragedy in Percival's life came thick and fast. | 0:15:18 | 0:15:22 | |
We found a death record for Percival Overbury's son | 0:15:22 | 0:15:25 | |
that had been living with him and so what we did is went back to | 0:15:25 | 0:15:29 | |
the records to see if there was any further issue from this marriage. | 0:15:29 | 0:15:32 | |
We found another record | 0:15:32 | 0:15:35 | |
for another son, that he had already passed away as an infant. | 0:15:35 | 0:15:38 | |
And his second son, Nicholas, died just a few months before Perceval | 0:15:39 | 0:15:44 | |
in 2015. | 0:15:44 | 0:15:46 | |
It's a sad situation really, given that both wives | 0:15:46 | 0:15:50 | |
had passed away and both sons had passed away just by a matter | 0:15:50 | 0:15:54 | |
of months really so Percival was, in terms of close family members, | 0:15:54 | 0:15:58 | |
kind of on his own in the later stages of his life. | 0:15:58 | 0:16:02 | |
Ryan's next port of call was to look for siblings. | 0:16:03 | 0:16:07 | |
Percival had an older brother called Leonard. | 0:16:07 | 0:16:11 | |
But Ryan was about to uncover yet more misfortune. | 0:16:11 | 0:16:14 | |
He was killed in action in World War II. | 0:16:14 | 0:16:17 | |
He was predeceased by both his wives and both his sons and his brother, | 0:16:20 | 0:16:25 | |
who was killed in action. I mean, | 0:16:25 | 0:16:27 | |
you can't truly begin to think how anybody would deal with that. | 0:16:27 | 0:16:32 | |
Yeah, that would be good actually, get a few possible addresses. | 0:16:38 | 0:16:42 | |
Having ruled out close kin on this valuable estate, | 0:16:42 | 0:16:45 | |
the team faced an uphill struggle | 0:16:45 | 0:16:47 | |
as they started looking into the wider family. | 0:16:47 | 0:16:50 | |
Concerned rival firms may crack the case first, | 0:16:52 | 0:16:54 | |
they decided to divide and conquer to speed things up. | 0:16:54 | 0:16:58 | |
While Ryan took the maternal side, | 0:17:00 | 0:17:02 | |
Amy worked the paternal side, | 0:17:02 | 0:17:03 | |
and immediately hit a snag. | 0:17:03 | 0:17:05 | |
We thought it was going to be quite a good surname to research | 0:17:07 | 0:17:10 | |
but then it turned out, in the Gloucestershire area, | 0:17:10 | 0:17:13 | |
it was actually quite common so we had to order quite a lot of births | 0:17:13 | 0:17:16 | |
to establish how many aunts and uncles there were to Percival. | 0:17:16 | 0:17:21 | |
But that wasn't all. | 0:17:21 | 0:17:22 | |
The aunts and uncles moved out of area, | 0:17:23 | 0:17:26 | |
so originally it had been all based in Gloucestershire | 0:17:26 | 0:17:28 | |
but they had started to move around | 0:17:28 | 0:17:30 | |
so that made searching the records a little bit trickier. | 0:17:30 | 0:17:34 | |
Despite this, they were able to make fairly quick progress. | 0:17:36 | 0:17:39 | |
The team discovered that | 0:17:41 | 0:17:42 | |
on the paternal side, | 0:17:42 | 0:17:44 | |
Percival's grandparents, | 0:17:44 | 0:17:45 | |
Joseph Overbury and Mary Smart, | 0:17:45 | 0:17:47 | |
had seven children... | 0:17:47 | 0:17:49 | |
..giving Percival six aunts and uncles. | 0:17:50 | 0:17:52 | |
And once we then decided to look into it a little bit deeper, | 0:17:54 | 0:17:57 | |
we realised that there were only issue on the uncle, | 0:17:57 | 0:18:01 | |
James William Overbury. | 0:18:01 | 0:18:03 | |
So any of the heirs that were going to come from Overbury side | 0:18:03 | 0:18:06 | |
of the family were going to come from this one uncle. | 0:18:06 | 0:18:08 | |
With only one of the six stems to investigate, | 0:18:10 | 0:18:13 | |
Amy quickly uncovered 25 potential heirs... | 0:18:13 | 0:18:17 | |
Hello. It's Ryan Gregory from London. | 0:18:17 | 0:18:19 | |
We're a firm of heir hunters. | 0:18:19 | 0:18:21 | |
..and the team was quietly confident they had | 0:18:21 | 0:18:23 | |
the paternal side wrapped up. | 0:18:23 | 0:18:25 | |
So for us, the paternal side of the family, | 0:18:27 | 0:18:29 | |
the Overbury family, wasn't too much of a difficult search to find | 0:18:29 | 0:18:32 | |
beneficiaries but it was really when | 0:18:32 | 0:18:34 | |
we got into the maternal side of the family when things got interesting. | 0:18:34 | 0:18:37 | |
And it would reveal that the family had one of Britain's | 0:18:38 | 0:18:40 | |
most influential record producers in their midst. | 0:18:40 | 0:18:44 | |
You know, that was his first big breakthrough really. | 0:18:44 | 0:18:48 | |
Margaret Thatcher's favourite record as well. | 0:18:48 | 0:18:50 | |
Every year in Britain, | 0:18:55 | 0:18:56 | |
thousands of people get a surprise knock on the door from heir hunters. | 0:18:56 | 0:19:01 | |
I found that amazing that I had that side of the family | 0:19:01 | 0:19:06 | |
that I didn't know existed. | 0:19:06 | 0:19:08 | |
As well as handing over life-changing sums of money, | 0:19:08 | 0:19:12 | |
the heir hunters can bring long-lost relatives back together. | 0:19:12 | 0:19:15 | |
I'm so lucky... because I've met up with all of you. | 0:19:16 | 0:19:20 | |
But thousands of estates have eluded the heir hunters | 0:19:23 | 0:19:26 | |
and remain unsolved. | 0:19:26 | 0:19:27 | |
Today, we've got details of two estates yet to be claimed. | 0:19:29 | 0:19:32 | |
Could you be the person the heir hunters are looking for | 0:19:32 | 0:19:36 | |
or know someone that is? | 0:19:36 | 0:19:37 | |
The first case is Helen Miller. | 0:19:39 | 0:19:41 | |
Records suggests she was born | 0:19:41 | 0:19:43 | |
in North London on the 13th of January in either 1910 or 1915... | 0:19:43 | 0:19:49 | |
..and died on the 28th of September 1994 in Tottenham in North London. | 0:19:51 | 0:19:56 | |
She was married to a Mr Miller, whom she outlived, | 0:19:59 | 0:20:01 | |
but his forename is unknown. | 0:20:01 | 0:20:04 | |
Is there a chance you could be related | 0:20:04 | 0:20:07 | |
or know someone that could be? | 0:20:07 | 0:20:09 | |
The next case is Clarence Middlebrook, | 0:20:10 | 0:20:13 | |
who was born on 7th September 1912 in Skipton in North Yorkshire... | 0:20:13 | 0:20:17 | |
..and died on 28th February 1988 in Bradford. | 0:20:20 | 0:20:24 | |
He never married but did have an older sister called Martha | 0:20:25 | 0:20:28 | |
and a younger brother called Herbert. | 0:20:28 | 0:20:30 | |
Do you know a Miller or a Middlebrook? | 0:20:32 | 0:20:34 | |
If so, you could be in line for a surprise windfall. | 0:20:34 | 0:20:38 | |
All right. Thank you very much for your time. Take care. Bye-bye. | 0:20:44 | 0:20:48 | |
The heir hunters at firm Fraser and Fraser | 0:20:48 | 0:20:50 | |
have their work cut out finding heirs to the million-pound estate | 0:20:50 | 0:20:54 | |
of Douglas McMurrich. | 0:20:54 | 0:20:55 | |
It's a very large estate | 0:20:55 | 0:20:57 | |
and it's one of the largest I've ever worked with. | 0:20:57 | 0:21:00 | |
With research stretching | 0:21:00 | 0:21:01 | |
both the teams London and Edinburgh offices... | 0:21:01 | 0:21:03 | |
..a large Scottish family and the nightmare surname of Green | 0:21:04 | 0:21:07 | |
have pushed the heir hunters to the limit. | 0:21:07 | 0:21:10 | |
It was going quite well initially | 0:21:10 | 0:21:13 | |
and then the tree just seemed to grow and grow. | 0:21:13 | 0:21:17 | |
The case has now reached a critical stage. | 0:21:17 | 0:21:19 | |
Shall we say 25 anywhere else? | 0:21:23 | 0:21:25 | |
Andrew Fraser is at a property auction in Central London | 0:21:25 | 0:21:29 | |
where Douglas's home is about to go under the hammer. | 0:21:29 | 0:21:34 | |
Mr McMurrich's home is lot number five and it's just about to start. | 0:21:34 | 0:21:38 | |
I'm very nervous about today's sale. | 0:21:38 | 0:21:40 | |
It's a vacant three-bedroom mid-terrace house. | 0:21:43 | 0:21:46 | |
It's an executor sale. | 0:21:46 | 0:21:48 | |
Ladies and gentlemen, good location, nice looking house. | 0:21:48 | 0:21:51 | |
With the reserve price in excess of £1 million, | 0:21:51 | 0:21:54 | |
it's going to be an anxious few minutes for Andrew. | 0:21:54 | 0:21:56 | |
Guide on this is a million pounds. Who'd like to start me off? | 0:21:58 | 0:22:00 | |
Can I say a million pounds? | 0:22:00 | 0:22:03 | |
Million five? | 0:22:03 | 0:22:05 | |
Yes? Million ten? | 0:22:05 | 0:22:07 | |
15. | 0:22:07 | 0:22:08 | |
Million 15. Million 20. | 0:22:10 | 0:22:11 | |
25. | 0:22:13 | 0:22:14 | |
We're not quite where we need to be on that one, I'm afraid. | 0:22:15 | 0:22:19 | |
Disappointing. | 0:22:19 | 0:22:21 | |
Didn't get to the reserve price. | 0:22:21 | 0:22:23 | |
It's not the result Andrew hoped for | 0:22:23 | 0:22:25 | |
and will mean Douglas's home will now be put on the market. | 0:22:25 | 0:22:29 | |
Douglas had lived in this house for most of his life | 0:22:30 | 0:22:33 | |
and although heir hunters knew he'd never married or had children, | 0:22:33 | 0:22:37 | |
it turned out he did have one lifelong companion. | 0:22:37 | 0:22:40 | |
Quite a friendly little creature. | 0:22:42 | 0:22:45 | |
76 years old and going strong and mischievous. | 0:22:45 | 0:22:50 | |
Just like his owner. | 0:22:50 | 0:22:52 | |
Joey the tortoise was bought as a pet for Douglas | 0:22:54 | 0:22:56 | |
when he was eight years old... | 0:22:56 | 0:22:59 | |
and, over the next 75 years, they formed an inseparable bond. | 0:22:59 | 0:23:03 | |
I think of Joey as being a part of Douglas, | 0:23:03 | 0:23:07 | |
cos it's his lifelong companion, really is his lifelong companion. | 0:23:07 | 0:23:11 | |
Whilst clearing Douglas's house, a scrapbook was discovered. | 0:23:13 | 0:23:16 | |
Douglas had used it to document Joey's life in great detail. | 0:23:16 | 0:23:20 | |
The file records what Joey's health was like in 1998 | 0:23:23 | 0:23:28 | |
and what he likes to eat. | 0:23:28 | 0:23:30 | |
What Douglas has meticulously recorded is Joey's weight. | 0:23:30 | 0:23:34 | |
Last one, interestingly enough, is in October 2015, | 0:23:34 | 0:23:41 | |
so several months before his death. | 0:23:41 | 0:23:44 | |
The records are a fascinating insight | 0:23:45 | 0:23:48 | |
into Douglas's diligent nature. | 0:23:48 | 0:23:50 | |
It also reveals some interesting history about Joey. | 0:23:50 | 0:23:53 | |
The file also confirms that Joey was bought at Woolworths in 1938 | 0:23:55 | 0:24:02 | |
for six old pence money. | 0:24:02 | 0:24:04 | |
Thousands of tortoises just like Joey would have been bought | 0:24:07 | 0:24:10 | |
over the counter in high street shops up and down the country. | 0:24:10 | 0:24:14 | |
The tortoise trade started in the 1890s and it continued, | 0:24:16 | 0:24:22 | |
with the exception of the war years, | 0:24:22 | 0:24:26 | |
until the 1940... | 0:24:26 | 0:24:28 | |
late '40s. | 0:24:28 | 0:24:30 | |
Tortoises may have quickly gained popularity | 0:24:31 | 0:24:35 | |
but they were sold with very little information | 0:24:35 | 0:24:37 | |
about how to look after them. | 0:24:37 | 0:24:40 | |
No care sheets given. | 0:24:40 | 0:24:42 | |
They were actually selling them with the message, | 0:24:42 | 0:24:46 | |
they would eat insects in your yard. | 0:24:46 | 0:24:49 | |
Douglas's tortoise Joey is still going strong at the age of 76, | 0:24:52 | 0:24:56 | |
which says a lot about his owner. | 0:24:56 | 0:24:59 | |
I think he probably was quite a caring and observant person | 0:24:59 | 0:25:05 | |
because you wouldn't keep a tortoise alive for over 70 years | 0:25:05 | 0:25:09 | |
if you weren't. | 0:25:09 | 0:25:11 | |
It was probably a little boy that spent a lot of time looking at it, | 0:25:11 | 0:25:14 | |
having a go at finding a little house, | 0:25:14 | 0:25:19 | |
coming back from school, making sure it was out of the rain | 0:25:19 | 0:25:23 | |
and, you know, once they get adjusted | 0:25:23 | 0:25:26 | |
and they get fed, | 0:25:26 | 0:25:28 | |
that is it. | 0:25:28 | 0:25:30 | |
Before Douglas passed away he asked his neighbour Andrew if he would | 0:25:31 | 0:25:34 | |
take care of Joey after he was gone. | 0:25:34 | 0:25:36 | |
We're glad we could kind of complete our promise to his owner | 0:25:38 | 0:25:46 | |
that we would look after him. | 0:25:46 | 0:25:47 | |
As Joey was settling into his new home, | 0:25:50 | 0:25:52 | |
the team's search for Douglas's relatives | 0:25:52 | 0:25:54 | |
was turning into a mammoth task. | 0:25:54 | 0:25:57 | |
What is going on here? | 0:25:58 | 0:25:59 | |
The team in Scotland was looking for heirs on the paternal side | 0:26:01 | 0:26:04 | |
but, having discovered Douglas's aunt Maggie had nine children, | 0:26:04 | 0:26:08 | |
they faced an uphill struggle working through a whopping 14 stems. | 0:26:08 | 0:26:13 | |
We have the paternal McMurrich, | 0:26:14 | 0:26:17 | |
which is... | 0:26:17 | 0:26:19 | |
..a very large tree, as you can see. | 0:26:20 | 0:26:22 | |
Too large for me to spread out all at once. | 0:26:22 | 0:26:24 | |
The Scottish team had narrowed down the search to five stems | 0:26:25 | 0:26:30 | |
and, after months of research, | 0:26:30 | 0:26:32 | |
at last they had leads on potential heirs. | 0:26:32 | 0:26:35 | |
Oh, God, this is exciting. | 0:26:35 | 0:26:37 | |
Meanwhile in London, Isha and Ben were working the paternal side. | 0:26:37 | 0:26:42 | |
But with the common surname Green proving difficult, | 0:26:42 | 0:26:44 | |
the team were hoping for a small family. | 0:26:44 | 0:26:47 | |
Green, as a name, is a bit trickier to research. | 0:26:49 | 0:26:56 | |
But Isha discovered one common thread that would | 0:26:56 | 0:26:59 | |
help her build the family tree. | 0:26:59 | 0:27:01 | |
So we've also got Jennie Winifred Green, | 0:27:02 | 0:27:06 | |
another maternal aunt of the deceased | 0:27:06 | 0:27:09 | |
and on her death certificate it says she was a spinster | 0:27:09 | 0:27:12 | |
and a laundry manager | 0:27:12 | 0:27:15 | |
and daughter of Charles Edward Green, laundry proprietor, deceased. | 0:27:15 | 0:27:20 | |
So once again, they all seem to be running the same business | 0:27:20 | 0:27:25 | |
and it makes it easier when we do look at the certificate, | 0:27:25 | 0:27:28 | |
it's got a lot more information cos we can link it in. | 0:27:28 | 0:27:31 | |
By focusing on the Greens who worked in the laundry trade, | 0:27:33 | 0:27:36 | |
the team were able to narrow down their search and soon established | 0:27:36 | 0:27:40 | |
that only two of Douglas's maternal aunts and uncles had children. | 0:27:40 | 0:27:44 | |
One of the uncles was William Charles Edward Green | 0:27:46 | 0:27:49 | |
who married Ada Kersey in 1911. | 0:27:49 | 0:27:52 | |
They went on to have two children, | 0:27:52 | 0:27:54 | |
Sydney Charles William Green and Constance Grace Green. | 0:27:54 | 0:27:58 | |
Constance was born in 1915, Sydney in 1913. | 0:27:58 | 0:28:01 | |
Sydney and Constance were Douglas cousins and, although both had died, | 0:28:03 | 0:28:08 | |
records show that Constance married and had two children. | 0:28:08 | 0:28:11 | |
The team was closing in on their first heirs. | 0:28:12 | 0:28:15 | |
What we would then do is use our various tracing resources | 0:28:15 | 0:28:19 | |
to locate them up-to-date and speak to them about the family. | 0:28:19 | 0:28:23 | |
For Constance's daughter Carole, a first cousin once removed, | 0:28:26 | 0:28:30 | |
the news would come as a bolt out of the blue. | 0:28:30 | 0:28:32 | |
This is Douglas outside Gransden Road. | 0:28:34 | 0:28:37 | |
I'm not sure how old he is but I would presume perhaps he looks about | 0:28:37 | 0:28:42 | |
seven at the most. | 0:28:42 | 0:28:44 | |
Carole also grew up in London | 0:28:44 | 0:28:46 | |
and has fond childhood memories of the time she spent with Douglas | 0:28:46 | 0:28:49 | |
and his family. | 0:28:49 | 0:28:50 | |
That is my aunt and uncle and Douglas. | 0:28:52 | 0:28:55 | |
He looks as if he's a teenager there. | 0:28:55 | 0:28:58 | |
It must be these cars that he loved so much, | 0:28:58 | 0:29:01 | |
so he started early there. | 0:29:01 | 0:29:03 | |
Douglas was... | 0:29:07 | 0:29:09 | |
He was always very kind and very generous and he was good to be with. | 0:29:09 | 0:29:15 | |
You always felt entertained by him. | 0:29:15 | 0:29:19 | |
From the age of seven, Carole spent the school holidays helping out | 0:29:19 | 0:29:22 | |
in Douglas's father's laundry business. | 0:29:22 | 0:29:26 | |
The steam and that was awful. | 0:29:26 | 0:29:28 | |
And I didn't want to be there. | 0:29:28 | 0:29:30 | |
I'm sure I would much rather have been somewhere else but... | 0:29:30 | 0:29:36 | |
I suppose, looking back, it was what happened in them days. | 0:29:36 | 0:29:40 | |
That was the sort of thing - families helped out families. | 0:29:40 | 0:29:43 | |
But in recent years, they drifted apart | 0:29:43 | 0:29:46 | |
and Carole had no idea | 0:29:46 | 0:29:47 | |
that Douglas's health had taken a turn for the worse. | 0:29:47 | 0:29:51 | |
I was just so sad | 0:29:51 | 0:29:53 | |
that none of us had been there. | 0:29:53 | 0:29:55 | |
That was the only thing that really did upset me for a little while. | 0:29:55 | 0:29:59 | |
I thought it was sad that he was on his own. | 0:29:59 | 0:30:02 | |
Somehow that didn't seem right. | 0:30:02 | 0:30:05 | |
After months of hard work, the team have located 26 potential heirs, | 0:30:09 | 0:30:15 | |
and Andrew has another reason to smile, | 0:30:15 | 0:30:18 | |
as there's also been a development with Douglas's property. | 0:30:18 | 0:30:20 | |
Following the auction sale, | 0:30:23 | 0:30:25 | |
it was very disappointing the house didn't sell, | 0:30:25 | 0:30:27 | |
but we've offered it on the market | 0:30:27 | 0:30:29 | |
through a number of local estate agents | 0:30:29 | 0:30:31 | |
and we've now accepted an offer | 0:30:31 | 0:30:33 | |
and each of the beneficiaries will receive a nice sum of money. | 0:30:33 | 0:30:37 | |
But there's one final chapter to the case. | 0:30:40 | 0:30:43 | |
As Douglas passed away months before his heirs were found, | 0:30:43 | 0:30:46 | |
none of his family could attend his funeral. | 0:30:46 | 0:30:49 | |
But today, Andrew has arranged for Douglas's ashes to be interred, | 0:30:51 | 0:30:56 | |
and it's an opportunity for his friends and family | 0:30:56 | 0:30:59 | |
to pay their final respects. | 0:30:59 | 0:31:01 | |
Although they might not have been in touch the last 30-plus years, | 0:31:01 | 0:31:07 | |
they've all got memories and want to show their own respects. | 0:31:07 | 0:31:11 | |
Some of us on his mother's side of the family that will be here, | 0:31:11 | 0:31:14 | |
and then also on his father's side. | 0:31:14 | 0:31:16 | |
It's... | 0:31:16 | 0:31:18 | |
quite surreal, to be honest with you, | 0:31:18 | 0:31:20 | |
to think that we didn't know till after the event, if you like. | 0:31:20 | 0:31:24 | |
Douglas was an intensely private, unassuming, | 0:31:26 | 0:31:30 | |
independent person. | 0:31:30 | 0:31:31 | |
Douglas's ashes are being placed in his family grave. | 0:31:33 | 0:31:38 | |
Very appropriate that we come here today, | 0:31:38 | 0:31:41 | |
to this grave, where his parents, Alexandra and Grace, are buried, | 0:31:41 | 0:31:47 | |
together with his brother Laurence, who died aged just five in 1933. | 0:31:47 | 0:31:53 | |
Sad, obviously, but | 0:31:55 | 0:31:57 | |
-it's sort of finalised everything. -Yeah. | 0:31:57 | 0:32:01 | |
Nice to think that they're all together now. | 0:32:01 | 0:32:03 | |
Today has turned out to be, I think, a very good occasion. | 0:32:05 | 0:32:09 | |
I'm sure Douglas, in his heart, would have been pleased as to | 0:32:09 | 0:32:12 | |
how today has gone. | 0:32:12 | 0:32:14 | |
In London, the heir-hunting team at firm Finders were desperately trying | 0:32:23 | 0:32:27 | |
to find beneficiaries to the estate of Percival Overbury... | 0:32:27 | 0:32:31 | |
The only things that we knew when we were referred the case | 0:32:31 | 0:32:34 | |
were his name and date of death. | 0:32:34 | 0:32:36 | |
..and unravel the mystery of his forgotten family. | 0:32:36 | 0:32:39 | |
With an estate worth £325,000 waiting to be claimed... | 0:32:40 | 0:32:44 | |
..Ryan and the team were determined | 0:32:45 | 0:32:47 | |
to pip their rival firms to the post... | 0:32:47 | 0:32:49 | |
We had a few of us in the office working on | 0:32:49 | 0:32:53 | |
the different stems of the family tree. | 0:32:53 | 0:32:55 | |
..and be the first to find Percival Overbury's heirs. | 0:32:55 | 0:32:58 | |
With no immediate family to inherit, | 0:33:03 | 0:33:05 | |
the team was forced to delve a little deeper. | 0:33:05 | 0:33:07 | |
Amy's search into Percival's paternal side | 0:33:08 | 0:33:11 | |
had been relatively easy, | 0:33:11 | 0:33:13 | |
uncovering 25 potential heirs. | 0:33:13 | 0:33:15 | |
But Ryan and the team were now tackling the maternal side, | 0:33:17 | 0:33:20 | |
which would prove to be far tougher than they originally imagined. | 0:33:20 | 0:33:24 | |
The indexes told us that Percival's mother was Louise or Louisa Blanche. | 0:33:24 | 0:33:30 | |
Birt was her maiden name, | 0:33:30 | 0:33:31 | |
Birt spelt B-I-R-T. | 0:33:31 | 0:33:34 | |
Again, we're thinking that that surname is not going to | 0:33:34 | 0:33:36 | |
cause us too many problems. | 0:33:36 | 0:33:38 | |
However, when Ryan began researching it further, | 0:33:38 | 0:33:41 | |
he discovered that Louise Birt was one of eight children. | 0:33:41 | 0:33:44 | |
Ryan's workload had just got a whole lot heavier | 0:33:47 | 0:33:50 | |
and, with the clock ticking, Amy was called in to lend a hand | 0:33:50 | 0:33:53 | |
and soon made an unusual discovery. | 0:33:53 | 0:33:56 | |
When we started looking at the stem of the maternal aunt, Caroline Birt, | 0:33:57 | 0:34:03 | |
we saw that she married and she had four children | 0:34:03 | 0:34:06 | |
and when we looked at the name of her eldest daughter, | 0:34:06 | 0:34:11 | |
we realised it was the same person who had married Percival Overbury, | 0:34:11 | 0:34:16 | |
so it looks as though Percival married one of his maternal cousins. | 0:34:16 | 0:34:19 | |
Discovering Percival had married his cousin | 0:34:21 | 0:34:24 | |
wouldn't be the only surprise. | 0:34:24 | 0:34:25 | |
Ryan was now looking into the stem of Percival's maternal aunt, Evelyn, | 0:34:27 | 0:34:32 | |
and had established she had married Alfred Meek. | 0:34:32 | 0:34:35 | |
The couple had four children, Arthur, Robert, Eric and Pamela. | 0:34:36 | 0:34:40 | |
The last born of the four was Pamela Edith Rose Meek. | 0:34:42 | 0:34:45 | |
She married a Richard Williams and they had two children, | 0:34:45 | 0:34:49 | |
who are also entitled to inherit. | 0:34:49 | 0:34:50 | |
Ryan was close to finding his first heirs. | 0:34:52 | 0:34:54 | |
I'm still coming to terms with the shock of it all, really. | 0:35:02 | 0:35:06 | |
One of them is Pamela Meek's daughter, Sandra. | 0:35:08 | 0:35:10 | |
This is Joan, this is Percy's wife. | 0:35:13 | 0:35:16 | |
That's Joan's mother, so she's Nanny's sister, | 0:35:16 | 0:35:21 | |
so that's the closest to the two that we've got. | 0:35:21 | 0:35:27 | |
Despite losing touch with Percival and Joan in her adult life, | 0:35:28 | 0:35:32 | |
the news of their passing has triggered fond memories of childhood | 0:35:32 | 0:35:36 | |
meetings with her uncle and aunt. | 0:35:36 | 0:35:38 | |
I can remember Percy and Joan and Nicholas | 0:35:38 | 0:35:41 | |
coming over for afternoon tea on Sundays. | 0:35:41 | 0:35:45 | |
And Auntie Joan, she always dressed absolutely immaculate. | 0:35:45 | 0:35:50 | |
She always had lovely hair. | 0:35:50 | 0:35:53 | |
Very, very smart lady, very attractive. | 0:35:53 | 0:35:57 | |
All right, thank you. Bye-bye. | 0:36:00 | 0:36:03 | |
At Finders HQ, Ryan was continuing research into the Meek stem. | 0:36:05 | 0:36:10 | |
Little did he know he was on the verge | 0:36:10 | 0:36:12 | |
of making a remarkable discovery. | 0:36:12 | 0:36:14 | |
On the line of Eric Charles Meek, | 0:36:16 | 0:36:18 | |
we found out that he married Marlene Williams | 0:36:18 | 0:36:21 | |
and they had three children together, | 0:36:21 | 0:36:23 | |
one of whom was Robert Meek. | 0:36:23 | 0:36:25 | |
I got a call from Heir Hunters | 0:36:28 | 0:36:29 | |
telling me that one of my relatives died, | 0:36:29 | 0:36:32 | |
Percival Overbury, who was, would be my great uncle, I think, | 0:36:32 | 0:36:37 | |
but I never actually really knew him, so it was all news to me. | 0:36:37 | 0:36:42 | |
Robert is another beneficiary to Percival's sizeable estate, | 0:36:44 | 0:36:49 | |
but it was what he revealed about his uncle, also called Robert Meek, | 0:36:49 | 0:36:53 | |
that left Ryan and the team stunned. | 0:36:53 | 0:36:55 | |
The key bit of information that we wouldn't necessarily know unless | 0:36:57 | 0:37:00 | |
we spoke to him - his uncle was also known as Joe Meek. | 0:37:00 | 0:37:03 | |
His uncle, Joe Meek, was actually a famous record producer, | 0:37:03 | 0:37:08 | |
so he was big in the '60s. | 0:37:08 | 0:37:10 | |
From his humble, rural upbringing, | 0:37:14 | 0:37:16 | |
Joe Meek rose to stardom to become one of the most influential | 0:37:16 | 0:37:19 | |
record producers of the last century. | 0:37:19 | 0:37:21 | |
Since he was a boy, Joe was always interested in electronics. | 0:37:22 | 0:37:27 | |
When he was young, he was always tinkering with stuff. | 0:37:27 | 0:37:30 | |
He would take radios apart and put them back together. | 0:37:30 | 0:37:33 | |
He was supposedly the one that made one of the first televisions | 0:37:33 | 0:37:37 | |
in Newent, which people used to come and watch, back in the '50s. | 0:37:37 | 0:37:42 | |
He was a very clever man. | 0:37:42 | 0:37:44 | |
When he grew up, Joe left Gloucestershire and moved to London, | 0:37:44 | 0:37:48 | |
where he worked at IBC Studios as a sound engineer. | 0:37:48 | 0:37:51 | |
Hope you don't mind me wearing my glasses to do this, | 0:37:56 | 0:37:59 | |
cos I can't see otherwise. | 0:37:59 | 0:38:01 | |
That's it. | 0:38:04 | 0:38:05 | |
In 1954, Adrian Kerridge started working as Joe's assistant | 0:38:05 | 0:38:10 | |
and, over the years, they became firm friends. | 0:38:10 | 0:38:12 | |
We travelled to record radio shows and this was taken in March 1956. | 0:38:14 | 0:38:20 | |
Adrian was about to witness Joe | 0:38:23 | 0:38:25 | |
change the landscape of popular music forever. | 0:38:25 | 0:38:29 | |
It's indisputable, that guy's talent. | 0:38:29 | 0:38:32 | |
He was the guy that started some of the modern recording techniques, | 0:38:32 | 0:38:36 | |
close-miking techniques, | 0:38:36 | 0:38:38 | |
doing unusual things with microphones. | 0:38:38 | 0:38:40 | |
There were wires everywhere. | 0:38:41 | 0:38:43 | |
Nobody knew what went to where and what he hung on what, | 0:38:43 | 0:38:46 | |
but he got results. | 0:38:46 | 0:38:48 | |
In 1962, Joe had his biggest success to date as his composing skills | 0:38:54 | 0:39:00 | |
combined with his pioneering recording techniques | 0:39:00 | 0:39:02 | |
came together to produce a record called Telstar. | 0:39:02 | 0:39:06 | |
MUSIC: Telstar by The Tornados | 0:39:06 | 0:39:08 | |
Joe's record saw huge international success | 0:39:11 | 0:39:14 | |
as the second UK single to | 0:39:14 | 0:39:16 | |
hit number one in the United States charts. | 0:39:16 | 0:39:20 | |
Telstar, with its box-like drum sound, | 0:39:20 | 0:39:24 | |
was all pumping and it all reverbed and it was in your face | 0:39:24 | 0:39:27 | |
and that's Joe. | 0:39:27 | 0:39:29 | |
You know, that was his first big breakthrough, really. | 0:39:34 | 0:39:38 | |
Margaret Thatcher's favourite record, as well. | 0:39:38 | 0:39:40 | |
It was just when I heard it, I thought, "Wow, that's Joe." | 0:39:40 | 0:39:45 | |
It was his audio signature. | 0:39:45 | 0:39:47 | |
By the mid-60s, Joe was at the height of his career | 0:39:49 | 0:39:51 | |
and was one of the most in demand producers in London. | 0:39:51 | 0:39:54 | |
Because of what he was doing, the techniques he used, | 0:39:56 | 0:39:59 | |
people requested Joe. | 0:39:59 | 0:40:01 | |
He worked with Petula Clark, Shirley Bassey, Winifred Atwell, | 0:40:01 | 0:40:04 | |
Mr Joe "Piano" Henderson, Frankie Vaughan, | 0:40:04 | 0:40:08 | |
Edmund Hockridge and so on. | 0:40:08 | 0:40:11 | |
Worked with all of these people. | 0:40:11 | 0:40:13 | |
Brian Epstein offered him The Beatles, and he turned them down. | 0:40:13 | 0:40:16 | |
Despite his growing popularity, | 0:40:18 | 0:40:20 | |
he didn't forget about his family back home. | 0:40:20 | 0:40:23 | |
I've got memories of him coming down from London, | 0:40:23 | 0:40:25 | |
and he'd always come down with loads of presents. | 0:40:25 | 0:40:29 | |
And he used to like Toffee Crisps, | 0:40:31 | 0:40:35 | |
so he went into the shop and he actually bought the whole box, | 0:40:35 | 0:40:40 | |
which, in those days, it was just incredible. | 0:40:40 | 0:40:44 | |
But, unbeknownst to his family, | 0:40:49 | 0:40:51 | |
Joe's world was soon going to come crashing down. | 0:40:51 | 0:40:54 | |
No-one really knew what was going on in Joe's head back home. | 0:40:55 | 0:40:59 | |
Obviously things were pretty dark in London... | 0:40:59 | 0:41:01 | |
..and well, it all ended on... when it did on the 5th of February. | 0:41:03 | 0:41:09 | |
On that date in 1967, | 0:41:12 | 0:41:15 | |
five years after the release of his hit record Telstar, | 0:41:15 | 0:41:19 | |
Joe tragically murdered his neighbour, who was a close friend, | 0:41:19 | 0:41:23 | |
before taking his own life. | 0:41:23 | 0:41:25 | |
Nobody will actually know what was going on in that flat, in that day. | 0:41:27 | 0:41:31 | |
We can all speculate, but... | 0:41:32 | 0:41:33 | |
Joe was taken away before his time and it was very, very sad. | 0:41:35 | 0:41:40 | |
I was saddened, Dennis Preston was saddened. | 0:41:40 | 0:41:44 | |
It shouldn't have happened... | 0:41:44 | 0:41:45 | |
but volatility rules. | 0:41:45 | 0:41:49 | |
Joe had no children, so there are no further beneficiaries from his stem. | 0:41:54 | 0:41:58 | |
With the case now wrapped up, | 0:42:00 | 0:42:01 | |
all of Ryan and the team's efforts have paid off. | 0:42:01 | 0:42:06 | |
It's always really satisfying to manage to crack a large family tree, | 0:42:06 | 0:42:11 | |
especially as quickly as we managed to do in this case. | 0:42:11 | 0:42:14 | |
And, we managed to avoid any competition, | 0:42:14 | 0:42:17 | |
which is always a really great success for us. | 0:42:17 | 0:42:19 | |
There's certain cases that we pick up over the years | 0:42:21 | 0:42:24 | |
and they kind of become kind of dinner party conversation topics, | 0:42:24 | 0:42:28 | |
if you like. We don't go into too much details | 0:42:28 | 0:42:31 | |
of exactly what really happened, | 0:42:31 | 0:42:33 | |
but there's key stories that may jump out. | 0:42:33 | 0:42:36 | |
That's what happened in this case with the connection | 0:42:36 | 0:42:39 | |
between Percival and Joe Meek. | 0:42:39 | 0:42:41 | |
Percival's £325,000 estate will be divided up between 46 heirs, | 0:42:42 | 0:42:48 | |
including Sandra and Rob, | 0:42:48 | 0:42:50 | |
who's spending his share on landscaping his garden | 0:42:50 | 0:42:53 | |
in honour of Percival. | 0:42:53 | 0:42:55 | |
I'm going to call it the Percival Overbury Garden, | 0:42:55 | 0:42:58 | |
cos I couldn't have afforded to get it done without it. | 0:42:58 | 0:43:01 | |
Just going to put the plaque over there | 0:43:01 | 0:43:03 | |
and call it the Perceval Overbury Garden. | 0:43:03 | 0:43:05 | |
A nice few flowers around it | 0:43:05 | 0:43:08 | |
and hopefully it'll be a fitting tribute to the man. | 0:43:08 | 0:43:11 |