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Today... | 0:00:02 | 0:00:03 | |
I'll take this one. | 0:00:03 | 0:00:04 | |
Heir hunters race each other to find heirs to a small fortune. | 0:00:04 | 0:00:08 | |
You know we're neck and neck with the other firm now. | 0:00:08 | 0:00:10 | |
While in Kent, a family divided... | 0:00:10 | 0:00:13 | |
It was some sort of argument and we never spoke to any of them again. | 0:00:13 | 0:00:18 | |
..is reconnected after 60 years. | 0:00:18 | 0:00:20 | |
-Hello! -Hello! | 0:00:20 | 0:00:22 | |
I'm excited, I'm nervous, I don't really know how I feel. | 0:00:22 | 0:00:26 | |
Across the country, the hunt is on. | 0:00:26 | 0:00:29 | |
With millions of pounds waiting to be claimed, | 0:00:29 | 0:00:32 | |
could the heir hunters be knocking at your door? | 0:00:32 | 0:00:35 | |
It's 9am and in London, heir hunting firm | 0:00:43 | 0:00:46 | |
Finders International are working on new cases from the Government's | 0:00:46 | 0:00:49 | |
Bona Vacantia list of unclaimed estates. | 0:00:49 | 0:00:52 | |
We've come in this morning and there's 20 ads come out from | 0:00:52 | 0:00:56 | |
the government, so we're just checking them through now to see | 0:00:56 | 0:00:58 | |
how much they're worth, and then we can start looking into them. | 0:00:58 | 0:01:01 | |
With so many cases, | 0:01:03 | 0:01:05 | |
today will be exceptionally busy for the heir hunters, | 0:01:05 | 0:01:08 | |
and competition between the firms will be intense. | 0:01:08 | 0:01:12 | |
It's the classic buses arriving at the same time scenario. | 0:01:12 | 0:01:15 | |
So we will have a situation where we have to work simultaneously | 0:01:15 | 0:01:18 | |
on several cases, and some of them could be equally urgent. | 0:01:18 | 0:01:21 | |
But case manager Ryan Gregory has identified one case | 0:01:23 | 0:01:26 | |
he thinks will be worth working. | 0:01:26 | 0:01:28 | |
I'm looking at the case of Frances Elizabeth Fehr. | 0:01:28 | 0:01:30 | |
We've just found out she was a spinster when she passed away. | 0:01:30 | 0:01:33 | |
Well, it looks like from the records she never married. | 0:01:33 | 0:01:36 | |
She was born in 1921. | 0:01:36 | 0:01:38 | |
Crucially, it seems Frances owned a property in London | 0:01:38 | 0:01:41 | |
that could make her estate very valuable. | 0:01:41 | 0:01:44 | |
It's always a bit of a panic to begin with, wondering if you're behind the competition. | 0:01:44 | 0:01:48 | |
Every minute does count. It's a bit of a cliche, but it does. | 0:01:48 | 0:01:51 | |
Frances Fehr moved to her flat in Battersea, South London, | 0:01:55 | 0:01:58 | |
when she retired in the 1980s. | 0:01:58 | 0:02:01 | |
Her neighbour, Robin Woodley, remembers her fondly. | 0:02:01 | 0:02:05 | |
I knew Frances for 30 years. | 0:02:05 | 0:02:07 | |
She was quite an individual. | 0:02:07 | 0:02:10 | |
There's Frances. | 0:02:11 | 0:02:13 | |
She was into the arts. | 0:02:13 | 0:02:15 | |
She never missed going to the Royal Academy every year. | 0:02:15 | 0:02:19 | |
I went with her on two occasions. | 0:02:19 | 0:02:21 | |
This was on Christmas Day. | 0:02:22 | 0:02:24 | |
And of course, her friends, Ro and Jim. | 0:02:25 | 0:02:28 | |
We'd always have a Boxing Day afternoon with about six of us, | 0:02:28 | 0:02:34 | |
and she would do the catering. | 0:02:34 | 0:02:36 | |
It was always quite a fun day. | 0:02:36 | 0:02:38 | |
She tried her best to please everyone. | 0:02:38 | 0:02:41 | |
She knew exactly what people liked. | 0:02:41 | 0:02:44 | |
She had a very good heart. | 0:02:44 | 0:02:46 | |
Frances Fehr passed away in June 2016 at the age of 95, | 0:02:47 | 0:02:52 | |
without appearing to leave a will or any children to inherit her estate. | 0:02:52 | 0:02:56 | |
So the search for heirs is on. | 0:02:56 | 0:02:59 | |
First, the team must investigate Frances's parents | 0:03:02 | 0:03:06 | |
in order to see if she has any other surviving siblings. | 0:03:06 | 0:03:09 | |
I've pinpointed the parents on the 1939 register, | 0:03:09 | 0:03:13 | |
which is really good. | 0:03:13 | 0:03:16 | |
It's quite similar to the old census records, but it's more recent. | 0:03:16 | 0:03:19 | |
So I've got both parents on there. | 0:03:19 | 0:03:21 | |
The 1939 register was taken at the outbreak of World War II | 0:03:21 | 0:03:26 | |
by the British Government. | 0:03:26 | 0:03:28 | |
And today, it gives Ryan valuable clues to find Frances's family. | 0:03:28 | 0:03:32 | |
Frances's parents were living in Westminster in 1939. | 0:03:34 | 0:03:38 | |
So, yeah, now I just need to go back. So the mum's maiden name was Underwood, | 0:03:38 | 0:03:43 | |
that's more of a common surname than the paternal side, | 0:03:43 | 0:03:46 | |
which is Fehr, spelt F-E-H-R. | 0:03:46 | 0:03:48 | |
I had a quick look for Underwoods, | 0:03:49 | 0:03:51 | |
but now I'm going to move over to Fehr. | 0:03:51 | 0:03:54 | |
Frances's parents, Joseph Fehr and Florence Underwood, married in 1920. | 0:03:54 | 0:03:59 | |
But when Ryan looks for them on the 1911 census, | 0:03:59 | 0:04:02 | |
he makes a significant discovery about Joseph | 0:04:02 | 0:04:05 | |
that will radically change the hunt for heirs. | 0:04:05 | 0:04:07 | |
The dad, he was living in Brixton. | 0:04:07 | 0:04:11 | |
But it does say that he was born in Switzerland. | 0:04:12 | 0:04:15 | |
With competition on this case likely to be high, | 0:04:16 | 0:04:19 | |
this is a major setback for the team. | 0:04:19 | 0:04:22 | |
It's going to pose a bit of a problem in terms of | 0:04:22 | 0:04:24 | |
we can't necessarily do the research here straightaway, | 0:04:24 | 0:04:26 | |
unless they have family members here. | 0:04:26 | 0:04:28 | |
Could you e-mail this over to Yann? | 0:04:28 | 0:04:29 | |
He was born in Switzerland, | 0:04:29 | 0:04:30 | |
-so I think we might as well get someone looking into it. -Yeah. | 0:04:30 | 0:04:34 | |
The investigation into Joseph's family must be sent to European researchers. | 0:04:34 | 0:04:39 | |
So while they wait for more Swiss leads, | 0:04:39 | 0:04:41 | |
Ryan has other information on Frances's father, Joseph, | 0:04:41 | 0:04:45 | |
that could help them. | 0:04:45 | 0:04:46 | |
The dad, in 1911... | 0:04:48 | 0:04:50 | |
..was 33. | 0:04:51 | 0:04:54 | |
He was a hotel valet. | 0:04:54 | 0:04:55 | |
Joseph must have moved to the UK before 1911 | 0:04:57 | 0:05:01 | |
to work in the booming hospitality industry. | 0:05:01 | 0:05:04 | |
A very large percentage of waiters | 0:05:04 | 0:05:06 | |
before the First World War were European. | 0:05:06 | 0:05:08 | |
Joseph must have been linked to a Swiss waiters' migrant network, | 0:05:08 | 0:05:13 | |
and that's the only way I think he would've ended up in Great Britain. | 0:05:13 | 0:05:17 | |
But Joseph Fehr arrived in the UK at a bad time. | 0:05:18 | 0:05:23 | |
With the outbreak of World War I in August 1914, | 0:05:23 | 0:05:27 | |
Britain was pitted against the German Empire. | 0:05:27 | 0:05:30 | |
Public opinion felt it was legitimate to be hostile to Germans. | 0:05:30 | 0:05:35 | |
And, obviously, he has a Swiss German accent, | 0:05:35 | 0:05:38 | |
which is not that different from a German accent. | 0:05:38 | 0:05:41 | |
People who don't know him would automatically assume | 0:05:41 | 0:05:44 | |
it's a German name. | 0:05:44 | 0:05:46 | |
As the war became more savage, | 0:05:48 | 0:05:49 | |
British public opinion would swing even harder against anyone German. | 0:05:49 | 0:05:54 | |
In May 1915, | 0:05:57 | 0:05:58 | |
the British cruise liner the Lusitania was sunk | 0:05:58 | 0:06:01 | |
by a German submarine off the coast of Ireland, | 0:06:01 | 0:06:04 | |
leading to the deaths of almost 1,200 civilians. | 0:06:04 | 0:06:09 | |
And that was followed by mass anti-German riots. | 0:06:09 | 0:06:12 | |
The first riots occur in Liverpool, | 0:06:12 | 0:06:15 | |
and then it spreads to the whole of the country. | 0:06:15 | 0:06:17 | |
I have no hesitation in saying that every German shop in Britain | 0:06:17 | 0:06:21 | |
was destroyed in that week. | 0:06:21 | 0:06:23 | |
They are the worst riots in 20th-century Britain, essentially. | 0:06:23 | 0:06:29 | |
Now, anyone with a Germanic connection in Britain | 0:06:30 | 0:06:33 | |
was under threat. | 0:06:33 | 0:06:35 | |
People were obviously terrified. | 0:06:38 | 0:06:40 | |
You know, you could be attacked on the street or in your home. | 0:06:40 | 0:06:46 | |
Back in the office, the team are still racing to find heirs. | 0:06:49 | 0:06:53 | |
The key question is if Joseph was from Switzerland, | 0:06:53 | 0:06:56 | |
might there be European heirs to find us well? | 0:06:56 | 0:06:59 | |
While Ryan waits for more leads from the researchers abroad, | 0:06:59 | 0:07:03 | |
he starts to pursue Frances's mother's family, | 0:07:03 | 0:07:06 | |
hoping it will be more straightforward. | 0:07:06 | 0:07:07 | |
-I've moved on to the maternal side, thinking it would be easier. -Yeah. | 0:07:10 | 0:07:13 | |
It isn't, massively. | 0:07:13 | 0:07:15 | |
Why have I put 1911? | 0:07:15 | 0:07:17 | |
I haven't found her for sure on any census, or any definitive birth. | 0:07:17 | 0:07:21 | |
The mum is the problem for me, really, | 0:07:21 | 0:07:23 | |
because I've got her date of birth here in the 1939 register, | 0:07:23 | 0:07:27 | |
but I'm struggling to then take it back to finding her birth | 0:07:27 | 0:07:31 | |
and/or her on the census. | 0:07:31 | 0:07:33 | |
I mean, Underwood, it's not a really common surname, | 0:07:33 | 0:07:37 | |
but I don't really have anything to go on. | 0:07:37 | 0:07:39 | |
I don't know where she's from. | 0:07:39 | 0:07:41 | |
It's vital that the team find a birth record for Frances's mother, Florence. | 0:07:41 | 0:07:45 | |
If the date of birth's wrong, there's loads of... | 0:07:45 | 0:07:47 | |
Exactly, if it's wrong, but there's nothing that makes it look right. | 0:07:47 | 0:07:50 | |
-No. -Which is frustrating. -It's printed clearly, isn't it? -Yeah. | 0:07:50 | 0:07:53 | |
I think there's a Florence M in Pancras. | 0:07:53 | 0:07:55 | |
I mean, the thing is, we don't know if she was registered late. | 0:07:55 | 0:07:57 | |
-It could be June quarter, September quarter... -Yeah. -December quarter. | 0:07:57 | 0:08:02 | |
So, the very nature of these urgent cases that we work with quite often, | 0:08:02 | 0:08:05 | |
working without the documentation we need to be 100% certain it's correct. | 0:08:05 | 0:08:10 | |
So we need to check whether there was a plain Florence Underwood born near Wood Green. | 0:08:10 | 0:08:14 | |
So, therefore, we need to go with hunches. | 0:08:14 | 0:08:16 | |
I mean, this is when it helps, working in a team. | 0:08:16 | 0:08:19 | |
-But there is one in Edmonton. -There's that one in Edmonton, yeah. | 0:08:19 | 0:08:22 | |
-Is that plain? -Yeah. -Yeah. | 0:08:22 | 0:08:25 | |
The team can't find Florence's birth record, | 0:08:25 | 0:08:28 | |
so they only have one hope left. | 0:08:28 | 0:08:30 | |
We really need the deceased's parents' marriage. | 0:08:30 | 0:08:33 | |
It will give us... Just verification, really. | 0:08:33 | 0:08:35 | |
Names of the both the parents, ages of both the parents. | 0:08:35 | 0:08:38 | |
Father's name of each, | 0:08:38 | 0:08:40 | |
which is going to be really useful not only from the research in | 0:08:40 | 0:08:42 | |
Switzerland, but also trying to figure out who | 0:08:42 | 0:08:44 | |
Florence Underwood is. | 0:08:44 | 0:08:45 | |
I'll see if I can find anybody else. If I can't, I'll get back to you. | 0:08:45 | 0:08:48 | |
The team need to get hold of the marriage certificate | 0:08:48 | 0:08:50 | |
as soon as possible to have any hope of beating the competition. | 0:08:50 | 0:08:54 | |
OK, also, I spoke to registrars, they've said that we can't... | 0:08:54 | 0:08:59 | |
-They do a 24-hour service. -Mm-hm. | 0:08:59 | 0:09:01 | |
But we will have to collect it tomorrow, | 0:09:01 | 0:09:03 | |
otherwise we can order it priority. | 0:09:03 | 0:09:05 | |
-24-hour. -Yeah. -So, what time is it now? | 0:09:05 | 0:09:08 | |
BOTH: Ten. | 0:09:10 | 0:09:11 | |
I mean, maybe that might be a good option? | 0:09:11 | 0:09:13 | |
I think, just because this is high-value, let's do both. | 0:09:13 | 0:09:16 | |
-OK. -Let's order it for the GRA, | 0:09:16 | 0:09:18 | |
and order it for 24 hours and get someone there when they open. | 0:09:18 | 0:09:20 | |
-All right. I'll do that, then. -Yeah, OK. Thanks, cheers. | 0:09:20 | 0:09:23 | |
So they don't do same-day service. They've said 24 hours. | 0:09:23 | 0:09:26 | |
Any bit of time we can make up or get ahead of the competition is great. | 0:09:26 | 0:09:29 | |
So tomorrow morning is at least something to look forward to, | 0:09:29 | 0:09:34 | |
if we don't get anywhere by then. | 0:09:34 | 0:09:35 | |
It goes to show, you can kind of move quite quickly with a case | 0:09:35 | 0:09:38 | |
and then once you get stuck, you can get really stuck. | 0:09:38 | 0:09:41 | |
Sensing the competition will also be looking at Frances's estate, | 0:09:43 | 0:09:47 | |
Ryan and Camilla are exploring every option to try and stay ahead. | 0:09:47 | 0:09:51 | |
And with her father, Joseph, being Swiss, | 0:09:51 | 0:09:54 | |
they're looking further afield. | 0:09:54 | 0:09:56 | |
So maybe she was born in Italy. | 0:09:56 | 0:09:59 | |
Then she wouldn't have been an Underwood when she died. | 0:09:59 | 0:10:01 | |
We're just not getting anywhere at the moment, | 0:10:01 | 0:10:05 | |
so I think we'll just keep going with it for a couple of hours. | 0:10:05 | 0:10:08 | |
But at the close of the day, the team aren't any further on | 0:10:08 | 0:10:12 | |
and there is no news from Europe about her Swiss family. | 0:10:12 | 0:10:16 | |
They need Frances's mother and father's marriage certificate | 0:10:16 | 0:10:19 | |
from the local register office as soon as possible. | 0:10:19 | 0:10:22 | |
Camilla's going to be at the registry office when they open. | 0:10:22 | 0:10:24 | |
There may be a person, a researcher from another firm there | 0:10:24 | 0:10:27 | |
at the same time. | 0:10:27 | 0:10:28 | |
It could be a race to get the certificate and get back | 0:10:28 | 0:10:30 | |
to the office, or ring in the information and try and find out | 0:10:30 | 0:10:33 | |
exactly who Florence Underwood is. | 0:10:33 | 0:10:36 | |
Will they be able to stay ahead of rival firms? | 0:10:36 | 0:10:39 | |
Oh, OK. And did they contact you all yesterday? | 0:10:40 | 0:10:43 | |
OK. | 0:10:45 | 0:10:46 | |
HE SIGHS | 0:10:46 | 0:10:47 | |
That's the one. | 0:10:54 | 0:10:55 | |
Every case the heir hunters see on the Government's Bona Vacantia list | 0:10:55 | 0:10:58 | |
is a gamble. | 0:10:58 | 0:10:59 | |
It's a constant balance - is it worth it, isn't it worth it? | 0:10:59 | 0:11:03 | |
Shall we work it, shan't we work it? | 0:11:03 | 0:11:05 | |
And that was certainly the case when the heir hunters took on the estate | 0:11:05 | 0:11:08 | |
of John Wilson. | 0:11:08 | 0:11:09 | |
His friend, Martin Beal, thought John was the last of his line. | 0:11:09 | 0:11:14 | |
As far as I'm aware, John didn't have any relatives, | 0:11:14 | 0:11:16 | |
because that's what he'd said. | 0:11:16 | 0:11:18 | |
When John passed away suddenly in March 2016 at age 73, | 0:11:18 | 0:11:24 | |
Martin had to put John's affairs in order. | 0:11:24 | 0:11:27 | |
It was really left to me to organise a funeral for him | 0:11:27 | 0:11:32 | |
and to get most of the estate details sorted out. | 0:11:32 | 0:11:38 | |
It was a well attended funeral for a very popular man. | 0:11:38 | 0:11:43 | |
It's a pity, however, that we had no relatives there. | 0:11:43 | 0:11:48 | |
But he had a good army of friends. | 0:11:48 | 0:11:50 | |
But John never wrote a will, | 0:11:52 | 0:11:54 | |
so his estate passed to the Government legal department. | 0:11:54 | 0:11:57 | |
Mike Powell, case manager at Fraser and Fraser, picked up the hunt. | 0:11:57 | 0:12:01 | |
So because this is on the BV list, | 0:12:01 | 0:12:03 | |
we know we have to look at it relatively quickly, | 0:12:03 | 0:12:05 | |
cos there's going to be other people looking at it at the same time. | 0:12:05 | 0:12:08 | |
We try to work out whether or not it's worth working. | 0:12:08 | 0:12:11 | |
Cases can be worth as little as £500, | 0:12:12 | 0:12:15 | |
so the only way to be certain that a case is valuable | 0:12:15 | 0:12:18 | |
is to find out if someone owned their own property, | 0:12:18 | 0:12:21 | |
and early signs were good. | 0:12:21 | 0:12:23 | |
Bye. | 0:12:23 | 0:12:25 | |
We know from the electoral register that he'd been in the property | 0:12:25 | 0:12:28 | |
for at least 34 years. | 0:12:28 | 0:12:31 | |
When someone's been living in a property for such a long time, | 0:12:31 | 0:12:33 | |
usually it's an indication that the property's theirs, | 0:12:33 | 0:12:36 | |
or it's a family home or something like that. | 0:12:36 | 0:12:37 | |
With house prices averaging over £300,000 in John's home village of | 0:12:40 | 0:12:44 | |
Upstreet in Kent, his estate looked like a case well worth working, | 0:12:44 | 0:12:50 | |
and that meant they'd be facing stiff competition. | 0:12:50 | 0:12:53 | |
There's going to be more than one company looking at it, | 0:12:53 | 0:12:55 | |
so it's imperative that we do all the research | 0:12:55 | 0:12:58 | |
before the other company do it first. | 0:12:58 | 0:13:00 | |
So it's just that birth, then, that we need in? | 0:13:00 | 0:13:03 | |
The race was on, | 0:13:03 | 0:13:05 | |
so researcher Josh helped Mike to start to establish some basic facts. | 0:13:05 | 0:13:09 | |
First off, we have to find out whether or not John was married. | 0:13:09 | 0:13:12 | |
That's because his wife would stand to entitle the estate. | 0:13:12 | 0:13:16 | |
But, obviously, if they were divorced or she was deceased, | 0:13:16 | 0:13:19 | |
and if they had kids, they would stand to inherit the estate. | 0:13:19 | 0:13:22 | |
The team quickly discovered John had never married or had children. | 0:13:24 | 0:13:28 | |
They needed to find out more about John's parents, | 0:13:28 | 0:13:30 | |
Frank and Kate Wilson, who died in the 1990s. | 0:13:30 | 0:13:35 | |
Mike has a box of John's treasured items from his home | 0:13:35 | 0:13:38 | |
full of clues about their lives. | 0:13:38 | 0:13:40 | |
I found a bag with a box with "FWG Wilson" on it, | 0:13:42 | 0:13:48 | |
which is obviously John's dad. | 0:13:48 | 0:13:51 | |
It's got quite a lot of medals and a couple of ribbons, | 0:13:51 | 0:13:54 | |
so it looks like he probably served in World War I and World War II. | 0:13:54 | 0:13:58 | |
In fact, John's father Frank played a vital role protecting Britain's | 0:13:58 | 0:14:02 | |
shores when he served with the Royal Observer Corps during World War II. | 0:14:02 | 0:14:06 | |
So here I am at Dover Castle. | 0:14:07 | 0:14:10 | |
I'm on the roof of the fire command post, | 0:14:10 | 0:14:12 | |
which was used in the Second World War as one of the observation areas. | 0:14:12 | 0:14:17 | |
Frank and his team would be using areas a little bit like this, | 0:14:17 | 0:14:22 | |
of course, during the war. | 0:14:22 | 0:14:24 | |
This part of Dover was all known, of course, as Hellfire Corner. | 0:14:24 | 0:14:28 | |
Many, many shells fell on the old town of Dover. | 0:14:28 | 0:14:31 | |
The town had the highest civilian casualties in Kent. | 0:14:31 | 0:14:34 | |
The Observer Corps had been in existence since 1925 | 0:14:34 | 0:14:38 | |
and its role was to spot any incoming attacks from air or sea. | 0:14:38 | 0:14:42 | |
And for men like Frank, it was dangerous work. | 0:14:42 | 0:14:46 | |
They had hats, helmets. | 0:14:46 | 0:14:48 | |
They were just monitoring, they had no form of defence themselves. | 0:14:48 | 0:14:53 | |
Frank would've been stationed somewhere on the Kent coast - | 0:14:53 | 0:14:57 | |
a hotspot for the Nazi planes. | 0:14:57 | 0:15:00 | |
In 1940, with the Battle of Britain, | 0:15:00 | 0:15:02 | |
he'd be watching wave after wave of German planes coming over | 0:15:02 | 0:15:08 | |
from the horizon across to England. | 0:15:08 | 0:15:12 | |
And his work, his activity, was absolutely essential to be able to | 0:15:12 | 0:15:16 | |
scramble our own fighters to be able to take offensive action against | 0:15:16 | 0:15:21 | |
those German planes coming right across the Channel there. | 0:15:21 | 0:15:24 | |
Frank himself, his role was absolutely vital. | 0:15:29 | 0:15:32 | |
All the work that the Royal Observer Corps did during | 0:15:32 | 0:15:34 | |
the Battle of Britain was well, well respected. | 0:15:34 | 0:15:38 | |
So much so that, in fact, it was actually in 1941, | 0:15:38 | 0:15:41 | |
after the Battle of Britain, | 0:15:41 | 0:15:43 | |
that George VI awarded them their royal status. | 0:15:43 | 0:15:46 | |
They became the Royal Observer Corps because of their activity | 0:15:46 | 0:15:49 | |
during the Battle of Britain. | 0:15:49 | 0:15:50 | |
The heir hunters knew Frank had been serving in the Royal Observer Corps | 0:15:56 | 0:15:59 | |
when son John was born in 1942. | 0:15:59 | 0:16:03 | |
But for Mike, something wasn't adding up. | 0:16:03 | 0:16:05 | |
That's quite a big gap between when his parents married in 1928 and his birth, | 0:16:08 | 0:16:13 | |
which would indicate to me that there's possibly more children. | 0:16:13 | 0:16:17 | |
You can never be too careful. | 0:16:17 | 0:16:18 | |
If John had siblings, they would inherit the whole estate. | 0:16:18 | 0:16:22 | |
So the team had to find out - and fast. | 0:16:22 | 0:16:24 | |
We spoke to a couple of neighbours | 0:16:26 | 0:16:27 | |
who referred us on to a friend of his who knew John | 0:16:27 | 0:16:30 | |
for most of his life. | 0:16:30 | 0:16:31 | |
The friend in question was Martin, | 0:16:33 | 0:16:36 | |
who was able to give the team precious information. | 0:16:36 | 0:16:39 | |
Frank and Kate had John quite late in life. | 0:16:39 | 0:16:43 | |
Frank died and then a few years later Kate died. | 0:16:43 | 0:16:47 | |
1995 or 6, something like that. | 0:16:47 | 0:16:50 | |
Then, of course, John was left on his own. | 0:16:50 | 0:16:53 | |
That was his home, he'd never been anywhere else. | 0:16:53 | 0:16:56 | |
The team were confident John was an only child | 0:16:56 | 0:16:58 | |
and he had inherited the house from his parents. | 0:16:58 | 0:17:01 | |
But Martin was about to drop a bombshell | 0:17:01 | 0:17:04 | |
that would seriously impact the value of the estate. | 0:17:04 | 0:17:07 | |
He told us that the property they resided in was a rented property, | 0:17:07 | 0:17:10 | |
which they started renting, I think, back in the early '30s, | 0:17:10 | 0:17:15 | |
which is obviously a very, very long-term rent. | 0:17:15 | 0:17:18 | |
John didn't own the property, and neither had his parents. | 0:17:18 | 0:17:22 | |
It was a disaster for the team. | 0:17:22 | 0:17:24 | |
Having thought the estate could be worth hundreds of thousands, | 0:17:24 | 0:17:27 | |
they now had no idea if there was any value in it at all. | 0:17:27 | 0:17:32 | |
And the big question was, should they carry on? | 0:17:32 | 0:17:35 | |
It's 50-50 when you're in that situation. | 0:17:35 | 0:17:38 | |
Every year in Britain, | 0:17:42 | 0:17:44 | |
thousands of people get a surprise knock on the door | 0:17:44 | 0:17:47 | |
from the heir hunters. | 0:17:47 | 0:17:48 | |
It was a complete surprise to me. | 0:17:48 | 0:17:50 | |
I had no idea that we had a branch | 0:17:50 | 0:17:52 | |
of the family that we knew nothing about. | 0:17:52 | 0:17:54 | |
A visit from the heir hunters can bring life-changing news. | 0:17:54 | 0:17:59 | |
And I was quite shocked because I didn't realise that there was | 0:17:59 | 0:18:01 | |
anybody in the family that we could inherit from any more. | 0:18:01 | 0:18:05 | |
But there are still thousands of unsolved cases where heirs need to be found. | 0:18:05 | 0:18:09 | |
Today we've got details of two estates on the Government legal | 0:18:09 | 0:18:13 | |
department's Bona Vacantia list that are yet to be cracked. | 0:18:13 | 0:18:16 | |
Could you be the heirs they are looking for? | 0:18:16 | 0:18:19 | |
The first case on the list is Nathan Isaacs, who died in Leeds, | 0:18:21 | 0:18:25 | |
West Yorkshire, on the 1st of November 1999, aged 92. | 0:18:25 | 0:18:30 | |
Nathan was born in Sunderland on the 31st of August 1907. | 0:18:30 | 0:18:35 | |
Are you related to an Isaacs | 0:18:35 | 0:18:37 | |
and have connections with the north of England? | 0:18:37 | 0:18:39 | |
Could you be the person the heir hunters are looking for? | 0:18:39 | 0:18:42 | |
The next case is Charlotte Raven, | 0:18:42 | 0:18:45 | |
who was born on the 1st of March 1900 in Nottingham, | 0:18:45 | 0:18:49 | |
and died aged 88 also in Nottingham. | 0:18:49 | 0:18:52 | |
Charlotte also sometimes used the middle names Elizabeth and Lock. | 0:18:52 | 0:18:56 | |
Do you recognise the unusual name of Lock? | 0:18:56 | 0:18:59 | |
Could you be a relative of Charlotte's? | 0:18:59 | 0:19:02 | |
Do you know anything that could help solve the cases of Nathan Isaacs | 0:19:02 | 0:19:06 | |
and Charlotte Raven? | 0:19:06 | 0:19:08 | |
If so, you could have thousands of pounds coming your way. | 0:19:08 | 0:19:12 | |
In London, heir hunting firm Finders International | 0:19:17 | 0:19:20 | |
are trying to beat rival companies to find the relatives | 0:19:20 | 0:19:23 | |
of Frances Fehr. | 0:19:23 | 0:19:25 | |
Which doesn't make sense. | 0:19:25 | 0:19:26 | |
We still need to figure out how they're related. | 0:19:26 | 0:19:28 | |
The team believe Frances owned her valuable London property, | 0:19:28 | 0:19:32 | |
and neighbour Robin Woodley thinks she may have left a sizeable inheritance. | 0:19:32 | 0:19:36 | |
She used to be in the accounts department in Allied Dunbar. | 0:19:36 | 0:19:40 | |
She worked there all her life, | 0:19:40 | 0:19:42 | |
and they paid her very well when she left, and also a very good pension. | 0:19:42 | 0:19:48 | |
It's vital information for the team. | 0:19:51 | 0:19:53 | |
I think we need to order her birth and her marriage. | 0:19:53 | 0:19:56 | |
And they estimate the case is worth around £400,000. | 0:19:56 | 0:20:01 | |
There's going to be loads. There's going to be loads. | 0:20:01 | 0:20:04 | |
They've discovered her father, Joseph, was Swiss, | 0:20:04 | 0:20:07 | |
and her mother, Florence, was English. | 0:20:07 | 0:20:09 | |
Research into her father's family has to be done by European agents, | 0:20:09 | 0:20:13 | |
so the London team can only hunt for heirs on Frances's mother's side. | 0:20:13 | 0:20:18 | |
Competition between the firms is fierce, | 0:20:18 | 0:20:20 | |
and case manager Ryan is struggling. | 0:20:20 | 0:20:23 | |
It's like two steps forward and two steps back. | 0:20:23 | 0:20:26 | |
They haven't been able to find any trace of Francis's mother, Florence, | 0:20:26 | 0:20:29 | |
before 1920. | 0:20:29 | 0:20:30 | |
So in terms of competition on the Fehr case, | 0:20:32 | 0:20:34 | |
I'm assuming that everybody kind of had the same problem | 0:20:34 | 0:20:37 | |
with finding the deceased mother's birth. | 0:20:37 | 0:20:40 | |
Order any other possibilities as well. | 0:20:40 | 0:20:42 | |
The team needs the marriage certificate of Frances's mother, Florence, | 0:20:42 | 0:20:46 | |
to find out what her father was called | 0:20:46 | 0:20:48 | |
and unlock the rest of the case. | 0:20:48 | 0:20:50 | |
I feel like I'm close, but not close enough. | 0:20:50 | 0:20:53 | |
Suddenly there's a breakthrough. | 0:20:53 | 0:20:56 | |
-She's got two parents. -We were literally... -What's her parents? | 0:20:56 | 0:20:59 | |
Henry and Agnes. | 0:20:59 | 0:21:01 | |
-So Agnes Smith and Henry Underwood. -Henry? -Ah! That's good news. | 0:21:01 | 0:21:05 | |
Thank you. | 0:21:05 | 0:21:06 | |
The team can swing into action looking for Frances' | 0:21:06 | 0:21:09 | |
aunts and uncles, and get ahead of the competition. | 0:21:09 | 0:21:12 | |
You know, we're neck and neck with the other firm now. | 0:21:12 | 0:21:14 | |
They'll just now know that her dad is Henry. | 0:21:14 | 0:21:17 | |
So if we may still be a step ahead... | 0:21:17 | 0:21:19 | |
The marriage certificate gives the team Florence's father's name - | 0:21:20 | 0:21:24 | |
Henry Underwood - who was Frances' maternal grandfather. | 0:21:24 | 0:21:28 | |
Henry married Agnes Smith in 1881. | 0:21:28 | 0:21:31 | |
I think I've found her. | 0:21:31 | 0:21:33 | |
With this vital information, | 0:21:33 | 0:21:35 | |
Camilla quickly finds Frances's aunt and uncle. | 0:21:35 | 0:21:38 | |
Elizabeth Underwood and Walter Underwood. | 0:21:38 | 0:21:41 | |
Yes. It's quite a nice feeling. | 0:21:41 | 0:21:43 | |
It doesn't necessarily mean you're ahead of the competition, per se. | 0:21:43 | 0:21:47 | |
Let's go with this for now. | 0:21:47 | 0:21:48 | |
But it's nice if it turns out to be correct. | 0:21:48 | 0:21:50 | |
No-one would've found this as well. | 0:21:50 | 0:21:53 | |
They've discovered Frances had an aunt, Elizabeth Underwood, | 0:21:53 | 0:21:56 | |
and an uncle, Walter Underwood. | 0:21:56 | 0:21:59 | |
We just need to order anything, cos I know there's going to be a lot. | 0:21:59 | 0:22:02 | |
Yeah. So need to do it now. | 0:22:02 | 0:22:04 | |
The team need to see if Walter or Elizabeth got married | 0:22:04 | 0:22:06 | |
and had children, and Ryan quickly finds some positive results. | 0:22:06 | 0:22:11 | |
I found out Elizabeth Underwood married George Brown in 1905. | 0:22:11 | 0:22:16 | |
They had children by 1911, so we could have cousins. | 0:22:16 | 0:22:21 | |
What I'm going to do is split up some of the research with some other | 0:22:21 | 0:22:24 | |
members of the team, just to get some more hands on deck. | 0:22:24 | 0:22:27 | |
Elizabeth Underwood married George Brown. | 0:22:27 | 0:22:31 | |
This is the 1911 census. | 0:22:31 | 0:22:33 | |
So we obviously want to descend these lines. | 0:22:33 | 0:22:35 | |
The team are hoping Elizabeth's family will be small | 0:22:35 | 0:22:38 | |
and easy to research, leading them to heirs before the competition. | 0:22:38 | 0:22:43 | |
I think Elizabeth might have had... | 0:22:43 | 0:22:46 | |
-About ten kids. -Jeez! | 0:22:46 | 0:22:49 | |
-We could do with it. -Everybody's on the case. | 0:22:49 | 0:22:52 | |
I think we're going to be all right. | 0:22:52 | 0:22:53 | |
-Yeah. -I'm going to need a hand. It's going to be a nightmare. | 0:22:53 | 0:22:56 | |
Florence's sister Elizabeth has married a Mr Brown, | 0:22:56 | 0:23:00 | |
which is quite a common surname. | 0:23:00 | 0:23:02 | |
In addition, we think she may have had up to ten children, | 0:23:02 | 0:23:05 | |
so this would be ten cousins of the deceased, if they were still alive. | 0:23:05 | 0:23:10 | |
If all of them have passed away, we will be dropping down another generation, | 0:23:10 | 0:23:13 | |
but we could have quite a few heirs, | 0:23:13 | 0:23:15 | |
particularly just on this one stem of the family. | 0:23:15 | 0:23:18 | |
This is the sign of some good workings out, and rubbings out, and re-doings. | 0:23:18 | 0:23:21 | |
Yeah, cos my page looks very dirty. | 0:23:21 | 0:23:24 | |
The team are quickly able to trace descendants, | 0:23:24 | 0:23:27 | |
and Camilla thinks she may have found her first potential heir. | 0:23:27 | 0:23:31 | |
Time to make the crucial call to see if she's right. | 0:23:31 | 0:23:35 | |
So I've got here that your mother would be Elsie Mary McCarthy, | 0:23:35 | 0:23:39 | |
formerly Brown. | 0:23:39 | 0:23:40 | |
Is that correct? | 0:23:40 | 0:23:41 | |
She wasn't Elsie? OK. | 0:23:44 | 0:23:46 | |
And was your father William McCarthy? | 0:23:46 | 0:23:49 | |
He wasn't William McCarthy? | 0:23:49 | 0:23:51 | |
So, unfortunately, the woman I just spoke to was the incorrect person. | 0:23:51 | 0:23:55 | |
OK, thanks. Bye. | 0:23:55 | 0:23:57 | |
I think we're probably going to come across that a lot | 0:23:57 | 0:23:59 | |
with the Brown family tree. | 0:23:59 | 0:24:02 | |
The one main thing that can hamper a search is a very common surname. | 0:24:02 | 0:24:07 | |
Yes, the Brown name is... | 0:24:07 | 0:24:09 | |
..interesting. | 0:24:10 | 0:24:12 | |
It could mean that we'll end up looking for a few days | 0:24:12 | 0:24:14 | |
as opposed to a few hours in terms of just trying to find | 0:24:14 | 0:24:17 | |
the entitled heirs. | 0:24:17 | 0:24:18 | |
It's turning into a long day for Ryan and the team. | 0:24:18 | 0:24:21 | |
Common surnames, and we haven't had lunch. | 0:24:23 | 0:24:26 | |
It's kind of testing us. I know it's testing me. | 0:24:26 | 0:24:30 | |
You need to just focus. That's what I mean. | 0:24:30 | 0:24:32 | |
I'm going to carry on until we get a break, basically. | 0:24:32 | 0:24:35 | |
A break as in a break into the research. Erm... | 0:24:35 | 0:24:39 | |
But, yeah, it's hard. | 0:24:39 | 0:24:41 | |
The team are clinging onto the hope they're still ahead of the rivals. | 0:24:43 | 0:24:47 | |
So anybody we can speak to is good. | 0:24:47 | 0:24:49 | |
And researcher Holly soon has a number for another heir. | 0:24:49 | 0:24:54 | |
We're looking into the estate of a lady named Frances, | 0:24:54 | 0:24:56 | |
and her surname was Fehr. | 0:24:56 | 0:24:59 | |
But there is worrying news. | 0:24:59 | 0:25:00 | |
Oh, OK. And did they contact you all yesterday? | 0:25:02 | 0:25:05 | |
Oh, OK. | 0:25:09 | 0:25:11 | |
Yeah. | 0:25:11 | 0:25:13 | |
Yeah, no, of course. | 0:25:13 | 0:25:15 | |
Of course, that's fine. Erm... | 0:25:15 | 0:25:17 | |
Yeah, no. These things usually are very competitive, | 0:25:20 | 0:25:23 | |
which is why you would've been contacted by other companies. | 0:25:23 | 0:25:26 | |
It's a hammer blow for the team. | 0:25:26 | 0:25:29 | |
They're all very wary of answering questions over the phone. | 0:25:30 | 0:25:33 | |
-Because they didn't want... -Yeah, that's the thing. | 0:25:33 | 0:25:36 | |
So whoever it was yesterday will probably have all that information by now. | 0:25:36 | 0:25:39 | |
Yeah, it just means they would've been more likely to give information | 0:25:39 | 0:25:42 | |
to the other firm and what we need is that information. | 0:25:42 | 0:25:47 | |
I mean, obviously, we still need to get some signatures | 0:25:47 | 0:25:50 | |
because we've worked so hard on it. | 0:25:50 | 0:25:52 | |
I'm going to have some lunch. | 0:25:53 | 0:25:55 | |
Disappointing news on the Fehr case. | 0:25:56 | 0:25:59 | |
I think we're a day behind the other firms. | 0:25:59 | 0:26:01 | |
It's not the end of the world. | 0:26:01 | 0:26:03 | |
Ryan knows if they can find more heirs and visit them in person | 0:26:03 | 0:26:07 | |
before the competition, | 0:26:07 | 0:26:08 | |
he will stand a chance of salvaging something from the case. | 0:26:08 | 0:26:12 | |
The following day the team pick themselves up and continue the hunt. | 0:26:16 | 0:26:21 | |
My brain is frazzled. | 0:26:21 | 0:26:23 | |
With no new leads from their European agents about the father's | 0:26:23 | 0:26:26 | |
Swiss family, they keep looking into her mother's relatives. | 0:26:26 | 0:26:29 | |
In that situation all you can do is either carry on or give up. | 0:26:29 | 0:26:31 | |
Crucially, the team have managed to speak to more descendants | 0:26:31 | 0:26:34 | |
of Elizabeth Underwood and George Brown, who had not been contacted | 0:26:34 | 0:26:38 | |
by the competition. | 0:26:38 | 0:26:40 | |
We've made some good communication with the family. | 0:26:40 | 0:26:42 | |
It's looking like it's heading definitely in the right direction. | 0:26:42 | 0:26:45 | |
With the stakes higher than ever, the team need to get travelling | 0:26:45 | 0:26:48 | |
researchers out on the road to meet heirs face-to-face. | 0:26:48 | 0:26:51 | |
Hiya, it's Camilla calling from Finders. | 0:26:51 | 0:26:53 | |
I've got a visit, an urgent visit in Surrey, | 0:26:53 | 0:26:55 | |
in Woking, if you would be available to go? | 0:26:55 | 0:26:58 | |
So they've dispatched representative Peter George | 0:26:58 | 0:27:00 | |
to locate one of Frances's heirs. | 0:27:00 | 0:27:04 | |
Yeah, so I got a call from the office this morning | 0:27:04 | 0:27:07 | |
to see whether I could go to a job in Surrey, | 0:27:07 | 0:27:10 | |
where they've identified a potential beneficiary | 0:27:10 | 0:27:12 | |
to an estate. | 0:27:12 | 0:27:14 | |
They believe the job is competitive, | 0:27:14 | 0:27:17 | |
so speed is of the utmost importance. | 0:27:17 | 0:27:20 | |
So I've left as soon as I could, and I'm on my way there now. | 0:27:21 | 0:27:26 | |
But it is a cold call. She has no idea we're coming. | 0:27:26 | 0:27:29 | |
It's just up here on the left-hand side. | 0:27:29 | 0:27:31 | |
So it's just a play it by ear. | 0:27:37 | 0:27:39 | |
We'll see what reception we get when I knock on the door. | 0:27:39 | 0:27:43 | |
The office team have made even more progress. | 0:27:46 | 0:27:49 | |
We're really now speaking to the beneficiaries, | 0:27:51 | 0:27:53 | |
which is the key thing for us. | 0:27:53 | 0:27:55 | |
We've refined all of the research down | 0:27:55 | 0:27:57 | |
and it seems as though there may just be seven heirs. | 0:27:57 | 0:28:01 | |
You know, the best case scenario would be all the beneficiaries | 0:28:01 | 0:28:04 | |
sign with, us and it's looking like it's a possibility at least. | 0:28:04 | 0:28:07 | |
But back in Surrey, Peter is struggling. | 0:28:07 | 0:28:09 | |
It's a new block of flats with a very high security | 0:28:09 | 0:28:12 | |
and there was no reply, unfortunately. | 0:28:12 | 0:28:15 | |
So I've reported it back to the office already | 0:28:15 | 0:28:17 | |
and I'll just make my way home. | 0:28:17 | 0:28:20 | |
It may be a disappointing outcome for Peter, | 0:28:20 | 0:28:23 | |
but back in London the team have been more successful | 0:28:23 | 0:28:26 | |
and have managed to visit and sign up the first heir - Barbara. | 0:28:26 | 0:28:29 | |
She's the daughter of Nellie Jepps, one of Frances's maternal cousins. | 0:28:31 | 0:28:36 | |
The news has come as a shock. | 0:28:38 | 0:28:40 | |
I always thought this will never happen to me, | 0:28:41 | 0:28:44 | |
simply because I thought I knew all my family | 0:28:44 | 0:28:47 | |
because I've been investigating my genealogy for a very long time | 0:28:47 | 0:28:52 | |
and this person has never come up. | 0:28:52 | 0:28:54 | |
I was amazed that we had a family member, | 0:28:54 | 0:28:58 | |
especially since she lived not too far from here. | 0:28:58 | 0:29:03 | |
I was a bit upset that I never got to meet her. | 0:29:03 | 0:29:08 | |
But it's also had an unexpected benefit for Barbara. | 0:29:08 | 0:29:11 | |
I've spoken to other cousins, who I haven't spoken to for a long time. | 0:29:11 | 0:29:15 | |
So in a way it's been good, because it's brought us all together again. | 0:29:15 | 0:29:21 | |
I'm going to print of the original record, actually, just to check the transcription. | 0:29:23 | 0:29:27 | |
A few weeks later, and finally there's news from the European researchers. | 0:29:27 | 0:29:31 | |
I've got his date of birth. | 0:29:31 | 0:29:33 | |
Managing director Daniel Curran is able to visit Barbara | 0:29:35 | 0:29:38 | |
with the final family tree. | 0:29:38 | 0:29:40 | |
OK, take a seat, Danny. | 0:29:42 | 0:29:44 | |
Thanks very much. | 0:29:44 | 0:29:45 | |
-As you know, we've been doing some research in Switzerland. -Yes. | 0:29:45 | 0:29:48 | |
And quite a few more documents, which you might find of interest. | 0:29:48 | 0:29:53 | |
We have the Underwood family, so... | 0:29:54 | 0:29:57 | |
Wow! That looks huge. | 0:29:57 | 0:29:59 | |
It looks... Probably looks more impressive when it's drawn out. | 0:29:59 | 0:30:03 | |
But, as I say, it's not a final version yet, | 0:30:03 | 0:30:06 | |
so we'll get you a copy when we do the final version. | 0:30:06 | 0:30:10 | |
Danny explains that researchers in Switzerland have found there is no | 0:30:10 | 0:30:14 | |
living family on Frances's father's side. | 0:30:14 | 0:30:17 | |
Oh. OK. | 0:30:17 | 0:30:18 | |
So Barbara's side of the family will be the only source of heirs. | 0:30:18 | 0:30:22 | |
Well, it's kind of good news for you, because the whole estate | 0:30:22 | 0:30:25 | |
will now be divided amongst the surviving heirs | 0:30:25 | 0:30:27 | |
-on the Underwood side. -OK. | 0:30:27 | 0:30:29 | |
So that's good news for you. | 0:30:29 | 0:30:30 | |
You can order the Ferrari. | 0:30:30 | 0:30:32 | |
Well, hang on a minute, we haven't found the will yet! | 0:30:32 | 0:30:34 | |
THEY LAUGH | 0:30:34 | 0:30:36 | |
But a few days later, Barbara's joke is no laughing matter. | 0:30:40 | 0:30:44 | |
-Whoever says yes can order the set. -Yeah. | 0:30:44 | 0:30:47 | |
There's been a dramatic twist in the fortunes of the case. | 0:30:47 | 0:30:51 | |
We received a bit of a surprise. | 0:30:51 | 0:30:53 | |
The solicitor who the family had appointed | 0:30:54 | 0:30:57 | |
to conduct the administration of the estate, | 0:30:57 | 0:31:00 | |
they found a will at the property. | 0:31:00 | 0:31:03 | |
It will affect everyone, | 0:31:03 | 0:31:04 | |
and undermine all the heir hunters' struggles over the last month. | 0:31:04 | 0:31:08 | |
So, I mean, it's never a good conclusion to a case | 0:31:08 | 0:31:12 | |
that we've put a lot of hard work into. | 0:31:12 | 0:31:14 | |
It also ultimately means that the family members we've located | 0:31:14 | 0:31:17 | |
previously are no longer entitled to inherit from this estate. | 0:31:17 | 0:31:20 | |
But there is still a bright side. | 0:31:22 | 0:31:24 | |
Turns out that the sole beneficiary in fact of the will is a charity | 0:31:26 | 0:31:29 | |
called Cats Protection. | 0:31:29 | 0:31:31 | |
Well, personally, I love cats. | 0:31:32 | 0:31:34 | |
I'm happy that the money is going to cats in the end, | 0:31:34 | 0:31:37 | |
but I know there's some dog people in the team as well! | 0:31:37 | 0:31:40 | |
Frances's friend Robin isn't surprised. | 0:31:44 | 0:31:47 | |
Yeah, she was absolutely fond of the cat. | 0:31:47 | 0:31:52 | |
In fact, she used to spend more money on the cat than herself. | 0:31:52 | 0:31:55 | |
Frances will not be forgotten. | 0:31:56 | 0:31:58 | |
I miss her intellect. | 0:31:58 | 0:32:01 | |
It was always a pleasure talking to her, | 0:32:01 | 0:32:03 | |
because she was so worldly wise. | 0:32:03 | 0:32:05 | |
You could have chats for hours on end. | 0:32:05 | 0:32:08 | |
HE CHUCKLES | 0:32:08 | 0:32:09 | |
In Kent, John Wilson had passed away without a will | 0:32:18 | 0:32:22 | |
or close living family in March 2016. | 0:32:22 | 0:32:25 | |
But after discovering he hadn't owned his property, | 0:32:25 | 0:32:28 | |
Fraser and Fraser case manager Mike Powell was struggling | 0:32:28 | 0:32:32 | |
to find any money in John's estate to pass on to heirs. | 0:32:32 | 0:32:36 | |
When there isn't a property involved, | 0:32:36 | 0:32:37 | |
you're obviously more anxious to find out what it is, because, | 0:32:37 | 0:32:41 | |
obviously, it will decide whether or not you carry on, | 0:32:41 | 0:32:43 | |
or you stop any work into the estate, because it's not worth continuing. | 0:32:43 | 0:32:46 | |
Mike needed to quickly decide whether to continue | 0:32:46 | 0:32:49 | |
with John's case. | 0:32:49 | 0:32:51 | |
He still may have had some money saved up. | 0:32:51 | 0:32:54 | |
We have no way of finding that out. | 0:32:54 | 0:32:55 | |
He could have had something, he could have had nothing. | 0:32:55 | 0:32:58 | |
We just don't know, so... It's 50-50 when you're in that situation. | 0:32:58 | 0:33:01 | |
Desperate to find out more, | 0:33:01 | 0:33:03 | |
the team got in touch with John's dearest friend, Martin, | 0:33:03 | 0:33:06 | |
to find out if his parents, | 0:33:06 | 0:33:07 | |
Frank and Kate had any money that could have passed down to John. | 0:33:07 | 0:33:12 | |
Frank was a chauffeur for this lady who happened to live at Upstreet, | 0:33:18 | 0:33:24 | |
but owned a hotel in Margate. | 0:33:24 | 0:33:27 | |
Kate was, I think, a domestic or a cook in the same establishment | 0:33:27 | 0:33:32 | |
and that's where the two of them met. | 0:33:32 | 0:33:34 | |
Although John's parents wouldn't have earnt much, | 0:33:34 | 0:33:37 | |
Martin had a vital clue from their past that changed everything. | 0:33:37 | 0:33:40 | |
And as a wedding present, the Lady of the house said, | 0:33:42 | 0:33:48 | |
"I will give you this bungalow." | 0:33:48 | 0:33:50 | |
And when the Lady died, in her will, | 0:33:52 | 0:33:55 | |
she'd made a provision that Frank and Katie could live there | 0:33:55 | 0:33:59 | |
for the entire duration of their life | 0:33:59 | 0:34:02 | |
for a rent not exceeding ten shillings a week. | 0:34:02 | 0:34:05 | |
John inherited this right, and so in today's money | 0:34:05 | 0:34:09 | |
that meant John was only paying around £20 a week. | 0:34:09 | 0:34:12 | |
But there were even more hints that John had money to spare. | 0:34:14 | 0:34:17 | |
He'd had a long and successful career. | 0:34:17 | 0:34:20 | |
John started at East Kent Bus Company | 0:34:20 | 0:34:23 | |
at virtually his 16th birthday. | 0:34:23 | 0:34:24 | |
Just as a junior clerk to assist in the bus routes. | 0:34:24 | 0:34:28 | |
He worked there then till the time he was eventually retired, | 0:34:28 | 0:34:32 | |
which was after 50 years and one day of service, I think it was. | 0:34:32 | 0:34:37 | |
Martin and John's other friends, Richard and David, | 0:34:37 | 0:34:40 | |
from East Kent Buses, remember his love for the job. | 0:34:40 | 0:34:44 | |
If we're talking about him, we ought to really get the old lady out. | 0:34:44 | 0:34:48 | |
Look at that! Number eight. | 0:34:48 | 0:34:51 | |
Yeah. | 0:34:51 | 0:34:53 | |
And 100 years of East Kent and 50 years of John working for them. | 0:34:53 | 0:34:57 | |
-Yeah. -A great guy. | 0:34:57 | 0:34:59 | |
John travelled on buses like this for most of his working life. | 0:35:01 | 0:35:05 | |
There she goes! | 0:35:05 | 0:35:07 | |
This would have taken him to work and back home every day. | 0:35:07 | 0:35:11 | |
Yeah, she's still as good as new. | 0:35:11 | 0:35:13 | |
John was a bus scheduler in head office his entire life. | 0:35:13 | 0:35:17 | |
And had a passion for travelling on the buses he timetabled. | 0:35:17 | 0:35:21 | |
-He'd sit down here... -John always used to sit downstairs. | 0:35:21 | 0:35:24 | |
At the front, because he could never make it upstairs at the end. | 0:35:24 | 0:35:27 | |
In his older days. | 0:35:27 | 0:35:29 | |
But in his younger days, he went up to have a cigarette anyway. | 0:35:29 | 0:35:32 | |
That's right! | 0:35:32 | 0:35:34 | |
After retirement, John and his friends had many happy hours | 0:35:34 | 0:35:37 | |
travelling on vintage buses - | 0:35:37 | 0:35:38 | |
something they still do in his honour. | 0:35:38 | 0:35:41 | |
It's a celebration of John's life | 0:35:41 | 0:35:44 | |
and the friendship that we all had together. | 0:35:44 | 0:35:46 | |
Especially when I take the bus out and if I go past Upstreet, | 0:35:46 | 0:35:50 | |
I look at Fred's house and I say, "We're thinking of you, mate." | 0:35:50 | 0:35:54 | |
"Thinking of you." | 0:35:54 | 0:35:56 | |
I just want to check with you two things... | 0:36:02 | 0:36:04 | |
Not only had John spent 50 years at the East Kent Bus Company, | 0:36:04 | 0:36:09 | |
it seemed he liked to save his cash. | 0:36:09 | 0:36:11 | |
Well, the information we got from his friends, | 0:36:11 | 0:36:14 | |
suggested he was very frugal. | 0:36:14 | 0:36:16 | |
He kept himself to himself, | 0:36:16 | 0:36:18 | |
he worked for a bus company all his life, so probably had free travel. | 0:36:18 | 0:36:20 | |
If he wasn't someone to go out and spend big every weekend | 0:36:20 | 0:36:24 | |
or something like that, | 0:36:24 | 0:36:25 | |
it's just going to keep building up and building up. | 0:36:25 | 0:36:27 | |
It was enough to convince the heir hunters they should take the gamble, | 0:36:27 | 0:36:32 | |
and go full throttle looking for John's heirs. | 0:36:32 | 0:36:36 | |
We know there'll be some value there, | 0:36:36 | 0:36:38 | |
we just don't know exactly how much it will be. | 0:36:38 | 0:36:41 | |
But they still needed to beat the competition to John's family. | 0:36:41 | 0:36:44 | |
Mike needed help. | 0:36:46 | 0:36:48 | |
So quickly recruited colleague Roger | 0:36:48 | 0:36:50 | |
to dig further back into John's family tree. | 0:36:50 | 0:36:54 | |
Roger started with John's mother's side of the family. | 0:36:54 | 0:36:57 | |
Mum is Kathleen Maud Ownsworth, | 0:36:57 | 0:36:59 | |
so we had to look the Ownsworth family to see how many | 0:36:59 | 0:37:02 | |
brothers and sisters she has got. | 0:37:02 | 0:37:03 | |
And Ownsworth itself is a really good name to research, | 0:37:03 | 0:37:06 | |
because all the years I've been doing it, | 0:37:06 | 0:37:08 | |
I've never come across one before. | 0:37:08 | 0:37:10 | |
The team were pleased with the family name, and hoped for a quick | 0:37:11 | 0:37:14 | |
breakthrough finding John's aunts and uncles. | 0:37:14 | 0:37:17 | |
Bit by bit, they pieced together the Ownsworth family tree | 0:37:21 | 0:37:25 | |
and found Kathleen's siblings. | 0:37:25 | 0:37:27 | |
She has five brothers and sisters. | 0:37:27 | 0:37:30 | |
But because they had nice initials and nice middle names, | 0:37:30 | 0:37:33 | |
it made it easier. It's a godsend. | 0:37:33 | 0:37:36 | |
The team were hoping they'd now quickly find descendants. | 0:37:36 | 0:37:39 | |
But they hit upon a major stumbling block... | 0:37:41 | 0:37:44 | |
..when looking for one of John's uncles. | 0:37:46 | 0:37:49 | |
The only fly in the ointment is John Norman. | 0:37:49 | 0:37:52 | |
We have got a record of him leaving to go to Adelaide. | 0:37:52 | 0:37:55 | |
And it also mentions later on, | 0:37:55 | 0:37:56 | |
that he was, in 1934 he was living in Adelaide still. | 0:37:56 | 0:38:00 | |
So if someone moves from the UK to another country, | 0:38:00 | 0:38:04 | |
it makes life slightly difficult for us. | 0:38:04 | 0:38:07 | |
With research on that stem having to go to the other side of the world, | 0:38:07 | 0:38:11 | |
closer to home, Roger had established what happened | 0:38:11 | 0:38:14 | |
to the other aunts and uncles. | 0:38:14 | 0:38:17 | |
Three more of John's maternal aunts and uncles all died | 0:38:17 | 0:38:19 | |
without having children. | 0:38:19 | 0:38:22 | |
It looked like there might be no heirs. | 0:38:22 | 0:38:24 | |
But his youngest uncle, Robert, | 0:38:24 | 0:38:26 | |
appeared to get married very close to John's birthplace. | 0:38:26 | 0:38:30 | |
Each stem seems to have self-contained in one area, | 0:38:31 | 0:38:34 | |
which makes life easier. | 0:38:34 | 0:38:35 | |
Which leaves us with Robert Stanley Ownsworth, | 0:38:35 | 0:38:38 | |
who married Nellie Edith Kathleen Ball. | 0:38:38 | 0:38:41 | |
Robert and Nellie had one daughter. | 0:38:41 | 0:38:44 | |
So, on this side, there's only the one heir, which is Susan. | 0:38:44 | 0:38:47 | |
This was a major breakthrough. | 0:38:47 | 0:38:50 | |
The team were confident there was value in the case, | 0:38:50 | 0:38:52 | |
so they wanted to get to her first. | 0:38:52 | 0:38:54 | |
The team immediately dispatched a travelling researcher | 0:38:54 | 0:38:57 | |
to Susan's home, but she wasn't expecting a visit. | 0:38:57 | 0:39:00 | |
He had come to find Mrs Wallington, Susan Ownsworth, | 0:39:02 | 0:39:06 | |
so I said, yes, that was me. | 0:39:06 | 0:39:08 | |
He said he had information about John Gordon Wilson. | 0:39:08 | 0:39:11 | |
I didn't realise who he was talking about at the time. | 0:39:11 | 0:39:15 | |
But then I suddenly realised that he meant my cousin John. | 0:39:15 | 0:39:18 | |
I'd forgotten about him. | 0:39:20 | 0:39:21 | |
I knew about him, but I didn't know what it was all about, you know? | 0:39:21 | 0:39:25 | |
I was surprised. Very surprised! | 0:39:25 | 0:39:28 | |
This is my father, that's Auntie Kate's brother. | 0:39:30 | 0:39:32 | |
Susan had never met John and, with a sad irony, | 0:39:32 | 0:39:36 | |
it was all due to a family dispute over inheritance. | 0:39:36 | 0:39:40 | |
It was some sort of argument over who got what | 0:39:40 | 0:39:43 | |
when my grandmother died. | 0:39:43 | 0:39:45 | |
So I just know there was a fallout with the family | 0:39:48 | 0:39:52 | |
and we never spoke to any of them ever again. | 0:39:52 | 0:39:56 | |
I didn't see Auntie Kate, | 0:39:56 | 0:39:58 | |
or Uncle Frank, or John, or anybody. | 0:39:58 | 0:40:01 | |
Back in the office, the team had discovered that as well as Susan, | 0:40:01 | 0:40:04 | |
there were four more heirs. | 0:40:04 | 0:40:06 | |
All right, thank you very much for your time. Take care, bye-bye. | 0:40:06 | 0:40:09 | |
On John's estate, there's a very small amount of beneficiaries. | 0:40:09 | 0:40:12 | |
There's only five who would be entitled to a share. | 0:40:12 | 0:40:14 | |
And Mike's confidence that there was value in John's estate has paid off. | 0:40:14 | 0:40:19 | |
There was at least £100,000 in bank accounts, | 0:40:19 | 0:40:22 | |
shares and things like that. | 0:40:22 | 0:40:25 | |
For Susan, having been separated from John's family | 0:40:25 | 0:40:28 | |
due to a dispute over inheritance, | 0:40:28 | 0:40:30 | |
it will be bittersweet to receive money from John. | 0:40:30 | 0:40:33 | |
Inheriting it, well, it's surreal. | 0:40:33 | 0:40:36 | |
I don't expect anybody to sort of leave me anything. | 0:40:36 | 0:40:39 | |
I mean, we could donate something in John's name, couldn't we? | 0:40:39 | 0:40:42 | |
-Yeah. -You know? | 0:40:42 | 0:40:43 | |
Never knowing John has left a gap in Susan's family history. | 0:40:43 | 0:40:47 | |
We just sort of slipped past one another. | 0:40:47 | 0:40:50 | |
It would be interesting to speak to somebody that actually knew him. | 0:40:50 | 0:40:54 | |
And today, Susan has a precious chance to make up for lost time. | 0:40:58 | 0:41:02 | |
She and her husband are on their way to meet John's friends | 0:41:02 | 0:41:05 | |
at his local pub. | 0:41:05 | 0:41:06 | |
Yeah, so that was taken in '79. | 0:41:06 | 0:41:08 | |
And find out more about the cousin she never met. | 0:41:08 | 0:41:12 | |
I'm excited, I'm nervous, I... | 0:41:12 | 0:41:15 | |
Don't really know how I feel! | 0:41:15 | 0:41:16 | |
John would have loved that. | 0:41:17 | 0:41:19 | |
-Oh, hello! -Hello! Hello. | 0:41:20 | 0:41:23 | |
I'm Sue. | 0:41:23 | 0:41:24 | |
-David. -Nice to meet you. | 0:41:26 | 0:41:29 | |
This is him as a toddler, outside of the bungalow in Upstreet. | 0:41:29 | 0:41:33 | |
It was actually sitting on his sideboard | 0:41:33 | 0:41:35 | |
right up until the day he died. | 0:41:35 | 0:41:37 | |
For Susan, memories of the family she lost come flooding back. | 0:41:37 | 0:41:41 | |
I vaguely remember seeing... | 0:41:41 | 0:41:43 | |
Not seeing a person, but maybe a photo of Auntie Kate, | 0:41:43 | 0:41:46 | |
because I could remember the hat. | 0:41:46 | 0:41:48 | |
-That's Kate, yes. -THEY LAUGH | 0:41:48 | 0:41:50 | |
It's sort of a lady with a hat. | 0:41:50 | 0:41:52 | |
She always wore hats, yes. | 0:41:52 | 0:41:54 | |
That's amazing, isn't it? | 0:41:54 | 0:41:55 | |
Susan can see how John lived life to the full. | 0:41:55 | 0:41:59 | |
Here we go, and this is John being presented with a big can of beer. | 0:41:59 | 0:42:03 | |
Now, John loved beer. | 0:42:03 | 0:42:05 | |
He looks like a really happy person, doesn't he? | 0:42:05 | 0:42:07 | |
John was a happy person. | 0:42:07 | 0:42:08 | |
He was a fantastic friend. | 0:42:08 | 0:42:10 | |
He was my best man at my wedding. | 0:42:10 | 0:42:12 | |
-A fantastic guy. -Yeah. | 0:42:12 | 0:42:14 | |
-And I think it was an honour and a pleasure to know him, really. -Yes. | 0:42:14 | 0:42:17 | |
-And to work with him. -I wish I had known him. | 0:42:17 | 0:42:20 | |
Hearing about her long-lost cousin has gone a long way to healing | 0:42:20 | 0:42:23 | |
the divide in her family's past. | 0:42:23 | 0:42:26 | |
Overwhelmed, really. | 0:42:26 | 0:42:27 | |
It's been an experience, because I never, as I say, | 0:42:27 | 0:42:32 | |
I never knew John before, | 0:42:32 | 0:42:34 | |
and his friends have really sort of brought him to life for me. | 0:42:34 | 0:42:37 | |
This is the invitation to his 65th surprise party. | 0:42:37 | 0:42:41 | |
I thought the poor bloke was going to have a heart attack! | 0:42:41 | 0:42:44 | |
It's great to connect with a missing part of John's life. | 0:42:44 | 0:42:48 | |
It is very much... The family resemblance is there. | 0:42:48 | 0:42:51 | |
And it's nice to see, very nice to see. | 0:42:51 | 0:42:53 | |
Coming out today and being in the pub with some beer | 0:42:55 | 0:42:58 | |
and some fine people, it's been great fun. | 0:42:58 | 0:43:01 |